How Borax Can Help Alleviate Arthritis Symptoms Naturally

Julieh12,

Borax works very well for me, but it takes time to achieve the full benefit (months).

As far as I can tell, Dr. Rex Newnham populararized the use of borax decades ago to treat different types of arthritis and one of the things he found out through his experiments is that it can take 3 to 4 months to get the maximum benefit from borax for arthritis, especially if you are older and/or have had arthritis for quite awhile or it is severe.

Dr. Newnham also used boron effectively at far lower doses than Ted suggested as beneficial. If I remember correctly, Ted said that the lower doses would work also, but it would just take longer to get the maximum benefit. I used Ted's dosing to good effect.

Magnesium can contribute to diarrhea, so if that is a new addition to your supplements, you could dial it back a little until your body adjusts to it.

Art

Thank you, Art. So all good then. I look forward to the improvement. I was on omeprazole for a very long time and through research found out it can cause osteoporosis. I am hoping the borax will reverse my osteopenia so I don't develop osteoporosis.

Julieh12,

Here is an interesting abstract about the value of boron, a major component of borax, in human health.

Art

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26770156

Nothing Boring About Boron.

Pizzorno L1.

Author information

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Abstract

The trace mineral boron is a micronutrient with diverse and vitally important roles in metabolism that render it necessary for plant, animal, and human health, and as recent research suggests, possibly for the evolution of life on Earth. As the current article shows, boron has been proven to be an important trace mineral because it (1) is essential for the growth and maintenance of bone; (2) greatly improves wound healing; (3) beneficially impacts the body's use of estrogen, testosterone, and vitamin D; (4) boosts magnesium absorption; (5) reduces levels of inflammatory biomarkers, such as high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hs-CRP) and tumor necrosis factor α (TNF-α); (6) raises levels of antioxidant enzymes, such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase, and glutathione peroxidase; (7) protects against pesticide-induced oxidative stress and heavy-metal toxicity; (8) improves the brains electrical activity, cognitive performance, and short-term memory for elders; (9) influences the formation and activity of key biomolecules, such as S-adenosyl methionine (SAM-e) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD(+)); (10) has demonstrated preventive and therapeutic effects in a number of cancers, such as prostate, cervical, and lung cancers, and multiple and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma; and (11) may help ameliorate the adverse effects of traditional chemotherapeutic agents. In none of the numerous studies conducted to date, however, do boron's beneficial effects appear at intakes > 3 mg/d. No estimated average requirements (EARs) or dietary reference intakes (DRIs) have been set forboron-only an upper intake level (UL) of 20 mg/d for individuals aged ≥ 18 y. The absence of studies showing harm in conjunction with the substantial number of articles showing benefits support the consideration of boron supplementation of 3 mg/d for any individual who is consuming a diet lacking in fruits and vegetables or who is at risk for or has osteopenia; osteoporosis; osteoarthritis (OA); or breast, prostate, or lung cancer.

Thanks Art, more good info on Boron.

From a lay perspective, I would venture to guess that of all the benefits listed for Boron is not simply something magical about the mineral except that it is an alkalizer. Many of the conditions listed are in conjunction with acidosis, although Boron has it's specific healing qualities.

A very warm Epsom Salts & Borax bath once a month would sure to right the ship for many folks.

It seems to me that BORIC ACID should NOT be used like BORON or BORAX. It has it's uses, but, as far as I know, boric acid is only used externally.

You're welcome, Timh!

Here is a link to some very good info on boron that explains some of how it works and what it can do to improve our health.

Art

I am not sure you are completely right about the timeline for seeing results in arthritis using borax. I started on my 4 day cycle of 1/4 teaspoon in a liter of spring water each day and got immediate relief. I finished my 4 days and did it again after nothing for 4 days. I finished second round and I feel I didn't need it. My large swollen knuckles were pain free in the first round. It did take a few months for the swelling to go down. I have friends that see the results as quickly as I did. When your body gets what it needs it doesn't wait to repair itself. Occasionally it seems to start again and only a day or two of the borax in water seems to fix it.

The very first thing to do today and the rest of your life is to stop all ingestion of fluoride.

When your body has 2 parts per million fluoride, your white cell migration rate is "0" - (zero) - that means that your immune system is not active (not working)..

When you brush with fluoride toothpaste ===> you ingest 4 to 41/2 parts per million, your immune system has been compromised..

Larry.

I was excited about your immediate relief from taking borax, so I have some questions about your arthritis. How long have you had it and which kind of arthritis is it? Is it in your knees? Is it in your feet or hands? Are you 65 or older? Are you over weight or do you have normal weight?

Jill,

Dr. Rex Newnham who popularized the use of boron and borax for arthritis decades ago, said that his research had showed him that the longer you have had arthritis or the more severe it was, the longer it would likely take to get the maximum benefit from using borax/boron. I think he also mentioned that age may be a factor also. He said in the worst cases it could take 3 to 4 months of regular use to achieve the maximum benefit.

If you have joints that are already damaged, I suspect that there will be pain that remains even after the borax has done all that it can do for you. My arthritis was in the moderate to severe range.

It sounds like Greta from Kentucky may have had a milder arthritic condition as her response was very quick and she didin't mention other major joints like the hips, knees, feet, back, shoulder, elbows or neck. She just mentioned her hands so I can see how results may have been fairly quick.

I feel it is important to mention the longer time frame that Dr. Newnham refered to because some people have severe forms of arthritis and if they are expecting results in 4 days to 2 weeks, they may be disappointed and stop using it prematurely.

I doubt that it can work for everyone or that everyone will be able to tolerate it, but given the very good safety profile, I tried it and it worked for me and judging by the many positive reports on the web, I would say that it has worked for many people.

Art

I heard if you take to much boron it will give you the runs so stop taking it for a couple of days should fix it. I had burning in my hips for a few days and started taking 1/4 tsp in 1 litre of water over 2 days and great relief getting better all the time

Your coconut oil and bicarb on its own is a great​ fluoride free toothpaste, also sodium bentonite clay, turmeric​, ground cloves, real salt, colloidal silver and essential oils for palatability

Nobody has done a post in removing the FEAR out of taking borax. This is what is creating so many questions on borax. This also needs to be put in the Question and Answer posts on borax.

Fear is created by the "Not for internal use" warning on the box and from some of the posters who haven't looked into it enough.

It took me a while to understand borax more clearly. Many posts gave impression it is dangerous to use. This is not true.

First, salt is as toxic or more toxic than borax. How many people go into mortal fear for their life when they sprinkle salt on their food. Not many. (as an aside, salt has no connection to heart disease).

Ted has the 5 days on and 2 days off protocol but the 2 days off is really OPTIONAL. You make the decision. Since no medical tests are being done to determine your levels of boron etc, this is just Ted being cautious. I can perfectly understand this when giving advice to other people. This is why you want to be familiar with boron overdose just to be aware of the warning signs.

Some people do experience herxheimer or other reactions. This is the reason for going slow. It isn't because your going to die from it. This going slow approach is OPTIONAL. If you do have reactions, just use common sense and pull back.

Some people take medications and other things. That could be a factor on how much you take.

Females dose is 1/8 tsp. Male dose is 1/4. I think it really comes down to your body weight. Heavier and larger people should probably take higher amount.

It is not some deadly substance unless consumed in some very extraordinary high amounts. You have to eyeball your own particular health situation.

I am 6'2" and 255 lbs (btw, I am slim). When I started taking it, I took 3/8 tsp divided up in 3 doses. I took this amount because my body weight is higher and I wanted an initial load period. I am not having herxheimer reactions etc. I will bring the amount down the longer I take it. I will eventually add days off. Down the road as the boron builds up, I will keep decreasing it. I don't have any objective measurement that tells me when enough is enough. I will keep on guard for overdose symptoms. We have to use common sense when taking anything. Ted's philosophy is taking as little as possible. I generally do that with any supplement over the long run.

I also don't use the liter of water. Nobody has explained the rationale for that. Experience tells me it is to mask the soapy taste. The soapy taste is no big deal for me. I use anywhere from 1/2 to 1 cup of water. No need for that litre crap. The only other reason for that amount of water is it could help wash a little more toxin out of one's system but if you're getting enough water (the color of your urine will tell you if your getting ewnough water), why bother.

I also don't drink the water throughout the day. That is a terrible inconvenience for me. I just spread the dose. At some point I will adjust that. If one is having herxheimer or other reactions then maybe that has some validity but it is not necessary to do it that way unless your having problems with it.

Do not be in mortal fear or terrified state of using borax. One poster took 1 tsp a day for 10 days and had no problems. You need to overcome the psychological mortal fear of taking borax.

Bottomline: The general protocol gives you a framework for how to take borax. Just understand the rational behind it. You need to adapt that protocol for your own situation. Don't be afraid to do things differently.

I second Prioris but also recommend caution as some people experience side effects most likely from detox and herx reaction in which case "start low and go slow".

Personally I have been using Borax recently in a hot bath for the treatment of fungal infection with modest results. I also add a generous amount of other major and trace minerals to the bath for general health reasons. 1/4 -1/2 cup Borax and no bad side effects to report.

@Starswalker: The symptoms you report are classic detox and die-off reactions. The Borax is removing the Fluorides and other heavy metals as well as killing pathogens. All this stuff courses through the circulatory system (which puts stress on the heart). To support the heart supplement Magnesium, CoQ10, and Carnitine. To help the liver detox the bad stuff being mobilized by the Borax, supplement 1grm NAC before a meal and take 3mg Melatonin before retiring. These two nutrients will dramatically increase you antioxidant levels which should reduce the shock your body is experiencing.

I tried boron for a minor arthritis in some fingers. The first evening there was a tiny bit of stinging at the tip of one finger. The next evening the tips of several fingers on one hand stung. The third evening the tips of all fingers on one hand were stinging enough to keep me awake. It's a couple months ago I don't remember if the tips of the other hand were starting to sting or not, I think so but am not sure.

Nowhere near a joint of fingernail - the fleshy fingertips were stinging badly. I was really scared. Stopped the boron, then the stinging died away over about 4 days.

20 Mule team Borax, ingredients sodium tetraborate, 1/8t tsp (or somewhat less) in a quart of water over the day.

I searched for what stinging fingertips could be a symptom of but found nothing, no web site suggesting boron for arthritis suggests any such side effect, so I'm curious if anyone has any idea what might have been going on. I was using 2 tsp ACV + baking soda in a liter of water over the course of the day at the same time. ACV has never caused side effects for me.

The boron had no effect on the arthritis as far as I can tell but I used it only those few days.

Helen: It would be nearly impossible to determine specifically what is causing the stinging, but generally it is surely a "detox reaction". We know that Borax has a neutralizing effect on several heavy metals and chemicals like fluoride. I would suggest backing up and doing any number of detox remedies found here on E.C, while continuing a small dose of Borax. A very good multivitamin/mineral supplement which contains whole foods, enzymes etc (the longer the profile the better) is the first step in detox. Cruciferous vegetable and their extracts like I3C, DIM, will greatly enhance your defenses while helping detox the body.

Boron itself generally will not kill the arthritis infection. It needs borax to kill the infection. Data seems to indicate that boron can be preventative once the infection is gone.

You didn't specify how long you took the borax for. Your post seems to indicate only 3 days or maybe 3 months. At proper dose, the cure usually takes 3 weeks. Around what age are you and what other things are you taking.

This kind of gets neglected in borax posts but without enough magnesium in the body, it may cause the borax protocol to not work. Ted has even said that. Also borax does chelate some minerals out of the body also. So take some magnesium (magnesium glycinate is good choice) with it if you aren't taking any.

Given RA effects fingers, that would be a preferable place to have side effect because it would indicate to me that some type of herxheimer reaction is occurring and borax is attempting to fight infection.Maybe your lacking another nutrient or maybe some toxin is blocking it. Ut takes self detective work.

I think Timh posts had good ideas about detoxing body. It is good you reported the side effect here for other people. You really need to stay with it and try to figure it out by continue to experiment. Don't give up.

Does borax remove bromine from the body?

Hi, I have been reading these posts with interest as I have just started taking borax for my arthritis. I have gone off my anti inflammatory tabs and it is now 14 days into the borax. I am not noticing any difference with my arthritis except I can feel it more and am wondering if my dosage is high enough. I have been following the 1tsp in a litre of water, having 3 tsps of this a day. Any advice would be appreciated.

Following on from my comment. Just wanted to say that have found out I have psoriasis arthritis (even tho never had psoriasis) and have now started to see some results with the borax. A bony growth that had started on a knuckle has almost disappeared and the feeling that I had had in my fingers of the arthritis growing has diminished. Is anyone else out there with psoriasis arthritis in hands trying this with any results? The aches in my knee's which I have had since childhood have also disappeared. I will continue on with the borax.

Magnesium oil -- applied externally --helps with pain, arthritic or otherwise. It also does other good things.

People who take Borax:

or other treatments like ClO2, Mefloquine, Neemleaf extract, and all other chemical substances that have affect on Mycoplasma will cause huge eruptions into the blood stream. As a consequence, people will get severe diarrhea. Dosing should be started with low amounts, especially on heavily affected people, who may otherwise end up in hospital in the lucky case.

One problem that occurs on this site is the fact, that dosages are improperly discussed. Fractions of teaspoons are improper ways to measure. I tested this and just on Borax 1/8th of a teaspoon can vary between 300 mg to 800 mg. I really would suggest to get a proper balance that can handle milligrams and start talking about dosages in body dosages in milligrams (but please put in your weight in kg as well) and the time intervals it is taken, so that a daily dose would come clear as well.

If the webmaster would support it, we could start taking information on a scientific level instead of staying in the semi-knowledge.

I am studying this mycoplasma since over two years and could benefit from better statistics, if the forum would be willing to support proper statistic data on their experience. I am quite startled how wide spread the problem is affecting nearly everyone.

Mycoplasma are being widely distributed in chemtrails, aka geoengineering, sprayed on most population centers in the US and Europe (less so in the Southern Hemisphere). for a sense of scope, watch the documentary "what in the world are they spraying." borax is well known for treating mycoplasma.

Mycoplasma, have you found the best treatment for it? What you think of Teds treatment?

My question concerning the measurement is this..when saying 1/8 or 1/4 tsp..are they referring to measuring tsps or regular tsp? I am using a measuring tsp..that specifically says 1/8 tsp. I could see a discrepancy of the amount of ml if a regular tsp is being used.

They mean measuring spoons, like for following regular recipes. (At least I hope so, since that is how I measure! )

A dosagem que eu uso minha esposa minha filha usa 6 gramas de borax em cem ml de agua, 12 gotas 2 x ao dia, esta certo?

To the forum, of the forum, Advice please?

Have been on borax now for around 1 month. Started with the anti fungal dosing protocol, massive eruptions of very hot painful diarrhea and when that stopped moved up to a quarter tspn 3 times a day. Excellent results first 2 - 3 weeks, massive weight loss and tons of energy. About 2 weeks ago began to feel washed out and ill, so stopped for 2 days and started again on 1/4 tspn 2 a day. Fine for a few days then depression hit. Lot of muccus out of nose and chest and chest very painful. Headaches, very sore eyeballs and weeping tears. Could be a bad cold but dont think so. Have not been able to work, feel too sick. Couldn't find anything within the forum like me other than mycoplasma infection posted by Replied by Mycoplasma
Geneva, Switzerland
10/04/2014.

Am I taking too much? Is it a healing sickness? Any imput welcome. b

B: Like many illnesses, there usually is no simple one shot solution. Borax has obviously helped your condition but other therapies are needed. Always try and identify EXACTLY the problem and apply an exact treatment protocol.

In your situation, you would prosper by doing any number of detox and cleanses listed in the Remedies section at top page. There are a good number of effective remedies that if used properly will get you back to health, but you must take time and dedicate yourself to getting well again.

Come back here and post questions and results.

Hi Brian...1/4 tspn borax with water 2 or 3 times a day is way too high a dose and not what is recommended on this site.

Ted's Borax remedy is 1/4 tspn in a liter of water per day. Drink this liter of water slowly throughout the whole day. Do not drink it all down in one go.

Some more information for you on borax on my google doc here and on Earth Clinic here.

For those of you living in Europe and have joint pain - I have a suggestion.... Novartis sells Voltaflex, it's a pure glucosamine, it works. My husband's knees were so bad he needed surgery, one week on voltaflex and he is fine, I also had bad knees, not like his, but I started taking it.... We've been taking it for 7 years now. We've told many people about it and it has worked for all of them.

I've tried several glucosamine brands in the USA without any relief at all. I buy Voltaflex at the Zurich train station pharmacy, it's over the counter, costs about 12. dollars per month.

I about to start taking borax, and, I noticed that everyone is talking about mixing it in water. I'm wondering if it works in anything other than water? I drink 3 or 4 cups of tea a day and was wondering if mixing it into my tea would still be effective? Thanks.

Hi Ressell,

What is important is that you should not take it empty stomach, yet how you take it whether with water, juice or tea, in my opinion makes no difference. My advice would be to avoid sugar in the tea. Good Luck

Baldev

@ Mycoplasma (who posted on 10/04/14): This mycoplasm study is very important. I would like to learn more, as I am studying and recovering from Lyme, with co-infections. Please let me know what kind of support you need. Thanks!

G'day Russel from Oz,

I have been using Turkish Borax in my diet and home for a couple of years with arthritis and osteoarthritis and am very pleased with the results, severe pain has subsided to occasional negligible and generally bearable.

Your question regarded mixing it with water ... I began with a 1/4 teaspoon orally, twice a day washed down with lemon water and as I began to go through the healing process, I gradually weaned myself to, currently, using it as you would use salt.

That is to say, anything that I cook with salt, I add as much Borax as salt. When I bake my bread, I add as much Borax as salt. I brush my teeth with virgin coconut oil, Borax and hydrogen peroxide.

I live in the northern tropical zone of Oz and to keep the ants, cockroaches etcetera at bay I use honey, Borax and some warm water to blend them .

Russell, you are only limited by your own imagination, do your research and be thorough.

You needed to drink more water to flush. It would have also been a good idea to walk a few miles to stimulate the circulation, thereby mobilizing the detoxification systems. The stinging was the boron reacting with the precipitates at the fingertip regions. Absent adequate water to flush and exercise to circulate, you have a small smoldering fire going on at the end of each fingertip.

Do you use mule team borax or do you buy it at the drug store?

I think most people use the mule team borax.

BRIAN; I read your comments and clearly your symptoms are detox pains-- as you continue taking borax the borax is flushing out the toxins and your symptoms are detox pains. Just stop using the borax for a few days let your body flush out the toxins and when the detox pain subsides then resume the borax--and---just cut your borax consumption in half. Just let the borax do its healing slowly and let your body flush out the toxins....do it slowly so you have less detox pain just give yourself plenty of time--- set a 6 month plan in motion and be sure to just cut the dosage in half --if the detox pain returns--- that's just the toxin flush out---and it will get easier as most toxins get flushed out.

Vitamin E can help reduce the stress on the heart.

I am reading with great interest the caution of OD on Boron from Big Pharma. I am well acquainted Natures Sunshine herbs in capsules, which in 1982 I fed to my 3 little kids from the 250 different applications in Herbally Yours. They are now 38; 40 and 42, and never saw a doctor or dentist growing up. My partner now was coughing so bad getting rid of mucous I suggested we get Comfrey root powder that is Illegal to take, and which we got from a herb company that supplies horses. Gabrielle like me is 79, and we mixed a heaped teaspoon in an inch of cold water with a barmix and topped it up with warm water.....she did this 5 to 7 times daily. We have a 12 year relationship during which she has coughed on and off, but I was seriously concerned for the possibility of her injuring her lungs with what developed. That was 6 months ago. With the results I went to "Truth about Comfrey" on Google and read about Dr Christopher's research that goes back to Heroditus 500 BC and Gaylen 250 BC all the way through to Queen Victoria. Comfrey Root internally has healed all conditions of the lungs and other organs including bleeding internally. We are now having it on and off with our daily Bone Broth, and have both started skipping to build up to 7 minutes daily. The sad Old World of 'yesteryear' is now more and more being shown in Governments and Religions as Full of Lies, with the only hope for all of us in the Bible which fully condemns both, with the simple way out spelt out by God's Son in the Lord's Prayer....."Let YOUR Kingdom come and YOUR will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" as in Revelation 21:1-4 and Ephesians 1:9,10 etc.

Borax dosages:

I am just getting started with borax and I am working on coming up with the best dosage for myself. I have noticed there seems to be two different dosage recommendations that people are working with:

Ted's recommendation:

1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in a certain amount of water, usually one liter, and drink that entire amount of water in divided doses or sipped throughout the day.

In this scenario, you have ingested between 1/8 and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.

So far it appears to me from looking at other people's posts, and not doing my own calculations from my own measurements, that 1/8 of a teaspoon of Borax has approximately 75 mg of boron and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax has approximately 150 mg of boron.

Or

1tsp/L borax water:

1 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in 1 L of water and then take 1 teaspoon of Borax water or more each day.

1 teaspoon of Borax powder contains approximately 600 mg of boron. Since there are 203 teaspoons in 1 L, this would mean that 1 teaspoon of this borax Water would contain 1/203 teaspoon of Borax powder and approximately 3 mg of boron.

In comparison, taking 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder per day is a:

25 times larger dose than taking 1 teaspoon of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,

12.5 times larger dose than taking 2 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,

6.25 times larger dose than taking 3 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water.

The above three numbers would be doubled if the comparison is with 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.

I just recently learned that one medical doctor out there that is a big fan of iodine, also recommends patients with osteoporosis to take 150 mg of boron per day for a year before they taper off to a lower maintenance dose. Which of course would be equivalent to taking 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.

When I put a 1/4 teaspoon (level flat) of borax on a digital scale it measures out at a gram on average and I suspect the variation is due to moisture content and a variation in the size of the particles. Borax is stated to contain 11.3% boron so 1 gram or 1/4 teaspoon of borax should contain about 113 mg of boron and an 1/8th teaspoon about 56 mg of boron.

One thing to keep in mind about borax is that not everyone can tolerate it and it is not effective for everyone as far as arthritis is concerned, but for those who can tolerate it, it can have many health benefits beyond arthritis. For this reason, it may be safer to start at lower dosing and work your way up in order to try to avoid any potential adverse events while trying to obtain the potential health benefits of borax.

Art

WOW! This is awesome!!

Taffy, thanks for the borax toast!!! :)

I just got a Kindle book that is helpful for chronic aches and pains: "3 minutes to a pain free life, but Joseph Weisberg and Heidi Shink". The exercises are short (not easy yet... ) and seem to be helping. That and the book "Pain free" by Pete Egoscue are my favorites right now for muscles and joints.

I just read that psoriasis is a fungus. Borax is also a treatment for candida and psoriasis may be a symptom of a candida infection. You may be killing many birds with one stone. Good for you. You can also go here to learn more: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/boraxconspiracy03jul12.shtml

First of all I would like to thank this board for being here. I have suffered with septic arthritis in my hip for a little over 2 years now. I was googling :) and came across Earth Clinic. I decided to try the Borax for my arthtritis since nothing else seems to work. I started it last saturday at the 1/8 teaspoon in a liter of water. I have felt better everyday so far, but today I cannot believe I almost have no pain at all!! I am so giddy I don't even want to go to sleep, I just want to enjoy not feeling the terrible pain I have been in. Now I want to go see my pain doc and tell him that it only cost me a few cents to get out of pain, compared to all the expensive drugs and injections he gave me. Thanks again, keep on posting!

I've been putting the borax and xylitol into my drinking water but haven't noticed any change in my arthritic pain. The pain and immobility have been getting worse every day, with it suddenly affecting my fingers as well as elbow, shoulders, but my knees are the worst. I have a hard time walking. I'm only 57. I'm just wondering if someone can explain the protocol about only drinking the borax water for 5 days of the week. I have done many, many things that are recommended to cleanse the body, taking this supplement and that, I don't eat nightshades, I don't eat processed foods, drink pop, eat mainly vegetables, fruits, protein, am off gluten and grains. I've had no relief. I'm not a fan of conventional medicine but have had to succumb to NSAIDs as otherwise I don't think I would even be walking at this point. I get acupuncture, physiotherapy, see a Naturopath and am determined to find the right combination for me to be rid of this. I wouldn't even mind limping if I could just be free of the pain. Thanks.

From the fibromyalgia section: Ted and Bill recommend 1/8tsp borax in 1 l water daily for 4 days, off for 3. Continue indefinitely- replaces flouride and may take a long time to get it all removed, plus new exposures. I think Ted somewhere suggested taking a few months off every year. If you feel better, you could stop, then start again when flouride builds back up and causes pain. It is androgenic according to Bill- so you will get a testosterone boost, which gives a little kick to the flagging libido most of us have from toxic crap in our bodies. A tiny bit of testosterone is ok for women, though you don't know how much a pinch of Borax affects testosterone levels. Choose your battles, I suppose.

I have tried many things on this site for I assume flouride toxcity (my mainstream dentist told me I have frank flourosis- stage4 toxicity of flouride), and borax does seem to do something positive for me for pain.

Just curious, but have you tried eating raw Ginger daily? Ginger is really good for arthritis and several other benefits. It is very spicy (more like a hot/cool sensation).

Turmeric is very good too.

I am taking minocyclin antibiotic 100 mg. Monday, Wensday, Friday. After 4 months, my life changed complitely. Now I can do everything myself. It still hurts when I walk , but it is getting better with each passing day. Hope it will help to all of you who suffers with RA. Before I tried everything nothing helped. google Dr.Brown's protocol for RA. And read his work. It took me 4, 5 months to cure RA. I believe that RA is a bacterial decease, hence antibiotics works.

Trying a few antibiotics for chronic diseases can yield good results. My fms pain symptom started to disappear the second day on minocin. five different prescriptions of minocycline didn't work. Minocin completely stomped the fms out. I also believe any fms that includes inflammatory symptoms is an infection. fms is a murky disease category.

Curious, did you try borax and experimenting with removing dairy, gluten etc for your RA. It's good to know what didn't work for people.

I am mentioning this because over the last two decades plus I have learned that eating habits are hereditary. If one really examines what is being eaten and in what combination, I feel you may find how true this is. This has not been well accepted but it is my two cents!

Prioris, I got excited about your minocin, then found out the one that worked for you and the one that didn't work for you, are the exact same drug, welcome to the placebo effect, it's the only thing that really heals anyway haha