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Borax Cures and Health Benefits

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Posted by Karen (St Joe, Arkansas ) on 01/19/2022
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I have used Borax in my laundry for years but never dreamed it could be used for so many other things. I have started soaking in really hot water, as hot as I can stand, with about a cup of Borax and a cup of Epsom Salt... sometimes 1 1/2 cups each. My reasoning behind this was to detox, right now I cannot wrap my head around ingesting Borax... I have IBS and toxins tend to build rather quickly in me, but let me tell you... the next day WOW! Let me just say, it has been a very long time since I have felt this empty. Oh and my skin is so soft.


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Posted by Monica (Rutland, Vermont) on 11/25/2011

Ahhhhh!!! I am sooo confused.. I just started making my own dishwasher detergent with Borax (Mule Team) and Arm & Hammer Washing Soda, and was about to make a batch of Laundry detergent using the same ingredients, Now I read that I should not be using Borax ( especially in Dishwasher ) because it could be leeching into my dishes therefore my food and making us sick... Can someone PLEASE calm my fears? Or at least tell me the real truth? Trying to be green and healthy as well as save money.

Also, if Bleach was accidently mixed with a detergent that I didn't know had ammonia in it, (another homemade cleaner),could it have damaged my or whomever used it lungs, and would the symptoms show immediately? Daughter has been sick for a month with lung issues, and now I am thinking back to that homemade bathroom cleaner, she does have allergies, and it is that season at our house, dust, pets, pollens etc.. So maybe I am just panicking...

Replied by Francisca
(Zug, Zug, Switzerland)
12/01/2011

Monica, you are not the only one trying to do your best but never quite knowing exactly what the best is or whether what you are trying out might harm you or your family! I always wonder why in the 21st century there is so much disinformation around..... I am in a permanent state of confusion so you are not the only one!

Replied by Sarah
(Thornton, Co)
05/15/2014

Borax isn't toxic on your dishes even if there's an invisible film. You can take it internally for many health benefits.

Replied by Vonita
(Edmonton, Ab)
04/02/2016

The dishwasher detergent would be a lot more poisonous to you than borax. Borax in small doses is necessary for our health. There are 20 MG of Boron (the element in Borax) in an organic apple. We are all deficient because it isn't an element added in the commercial fertilizers. Boron will help most conditions.


Dishes
Posted by Piper (Toronto, On) on 09/05/2010
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Add a tbsp to dishwasher and cut amount of soap in half. Best clean ever. Clear glasses. Also seems to eliminate the crud that sticks to dishes. Can also use baking soda. Now I use 1/2 borax and 1/2 baking soda mix.


Dishes
Posted by Elaine (Edmond, USA) on 06/07/2008
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I tried mixing my dishwasher detergent with Borax and found my dishes and glasses sparkled. Not a spot on them. I no longer have to buy Jet Dry.


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Posted by Pinch (London, England) on 03/04/2015
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Hi everyone,

I have to say this site is very enlightening! I have been using Borax 20 team Mule for about 8 weeks now. Dosage 1/4 tsp in a pint of distilled water with 7 drops of Lugol's iodine and a splash of apple cider vinegar. Consumed each day.

Right now I am in a lot of pain, actually I am finding it hard to write, otherwise I would be far more polite.

I am 52 going on 53, male. 6'2", weigh about 90kg, I don't carry a lot of fat. Around 3 years ago I started to experience a lot of pain around my joints, shoulders and back.

I am a landscape gardener and sometimes the work is extremely physically labour intensive as I do a lot of garden construction. I live in London and a lot of the gardens are inaccessable to machines, diggers and the like, so it's all by hand.

I have noticed that after a hard day at the office that the morning after my body feels like its on fire and the pain is everywhere. My body is also very stiff all over and takes about 2 hours to limber up. I am inclined to believe that I have fibromyalgia like symptoms.

Since taking Borax I have noticed improvements in finger joints, knees and elbows. They feel stronger and less sensitive.

Right now though I have developed extreme pain in my right hip and I think it is the joint itself, also my right leg is numb along its length. I am not able to walk more than a few steps as the pain is unbearable. I have also developed a chest infection which seems to be clearing somewhat but this morning I was coughing up a disgusting green sputum.

Over the last 2 months or so I have been working hard on my house in preparation to sell it and move lock stock and barrel's to South West France where we own a very old farm which needs restoring from top to bottom. Part of my prep has been to try and rid myself of these physical ailments so that I will be fit and healthy for the work ahead which is considerable.

I have never had problems in my hips and if this problem persists then I will be fit for nothing. I have 2 sons aged 15 and 7 and we had daughter last September so you see I need all my strength most importantly for them and the wife. I think I might have overdosed on the Borax.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Julian

Replied by Nanowriter
(Hotspot, Texas)
03/04/2015

Julian, I suspect that when we are generally low in vitamins and minerals, it is possible that supplementation can exacerbate other deficiencies.

Going on this premise, you might want to look into the vitamins that tend to be depleted by boron--possibly vit d, calcium and especially magnesium. High vitamin A may help with the lung infection issue.

Replied by Iowama
(Usa)
03/04/2015

Dear Pinch, I am sorry you are in such pain and I have not used Borax. We share a background in hard horticultural work, however, and I am going to throw out a few things that have stopped the pain that used to wake me up in the night. My pain was in my hands, neck, and ankles and, after doing a lot of reading, I found help through simple changes. I did drink a tea made from vinegar for a while, but later amended my diet to keep my body alkalized. I started drinking a lot more unflouridated water and stopped most alcohol, all flour, sweets, and dairy. These last 4 are common sources of inflamation. I don't know about you, but some of the joints that were painful actually looked reddish each morning. Now my joints are the same color as the skin around them and I rarely feel morning stiffness. In fact, your letter reminded me that I hadn't given stiffness a thought in many months. The thing about this site is that one never knows what things have already been tried, but perhaps you may find something useful here. Good luck to you.

Pinch, If I may add another comment, I just remembered another change I made that helped joint pain and stiffness. It was just the simple taking of a couple of calcium capsules per day. Now I have switched to drinking homemade bone broth instead. My feeling is that you had damaged joints and now have fibromyalgia as well.

Replied by Pinch
(London, England)
03/08/2015
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Better But With Side Effects

Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my post Nanowriter and Iowama. I have also written a couple of emails to Ted but so far no reply, which is not suprising considering his difficulties.

I have done a lot of reading on Borax and in 1 article found on the internet somewhere it stated that Borax can bring on a Herxheimer reaction resulting in stiffness and pain in the shoulders in hips accompanied by numbness in hands and feet.

This indeed happened to me in a big way, first in the shoulders which subsided after a few days. Sometime later I noticed similar side effects in my right leg and then my hip which became excruciatingly painful and the pain extended down to my right knee. These areas are still very painful but it is beginning to lessen. I think I am having a Herxheimer reaction. I have always been an avid brusher of teeth using fluoridated toothpaste and I am convinced that this is part of the reason for my plight. I also discovered that it is possible that I am being decalcified. Apparently the sciatic nerve can be severely calcified from fluoride and the decalcification process is not on the list of great ways to have a good time. These articles go on to say that the Herxheimer reaction is a sign of healing and not to give up, so I have kept going. 10 weeks into it now.

I know that throughout my life I have subjected my body to gruelling feats of endurance as this my OTTP nature. You always pay the price somewhere down the line but hopefully it is not to late to put things right and also learn a bit of moderation.

I am now alkalising with Bicarb and also taking high doses of ascorbate acid, epsom salts in baths and internally. The baths are wonderful!

I have a big "L" plate on my back in regards to alternative remedies but I am a firm believer that God has provided everthing we need in nature for healing. The problem it seems is that we systematically consume food that is not beneficial to health and that medical science loves a sick population to maximise their profits. "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil." History provides all the evidence we need of this sad fact.

Many thanks again and good health to you always! Julian

Replied by Gordon
(Uk)
10/08/2016

From my experience, everything helps but pain comes from inflammation/damage to tissue. This doesn't repair unless you alkaline the system constantly (half a teaspoon of bicarbonate) twice a day on an empty stomach. Anti-inflammatories such as 1/2 teaspoon cumin with 1/4 teaspoon of black pepper mixed with coconut oil to make a paste, mix with warm milk and honey to taste.

Replied by Anne R.
(Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia.)
02/02/2017

Julian dear, I am an old lady of 70 and I think you ought to have a spinal XRay. It seems as though you might have Spinal Stenosis.That is a narrowing of the spinal canal and the nerves get pinched. A person can be born with it or get it in their 50s. I am no expert, but I was born with it and your symptoms are just like mine.The thigh and hip pain is crippling and extremely painful.

I feel for you and hope that you do not have Lumbar Stenosis.There are minor surgical opps for it but in Australia one would have to to Sydney and pay. In case you do have this problem I can give you a marvelous E address to help.spinehealth.com. There is a small opp that is done posterior and is something I would like but, the docs here reckon they cannot help me.The Coflex Interlamminer Stabilisation Device is amazing and well worth checking out, if you may need it.You can even see an opp on your PC if you like. I'm sure someone in your country does this.

All the best, Anne.

Replied by Gulshen
(Harare)
02/06/2017

Hellos. Please check your calcium and phosphorous levels. My mother had parathyroid which caused calcium to be leeched from bones causing pain. Read up on this. Perhaps this is your problem


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Posted by Dave (Australia) on 01/04/2015

Hi my name is David.

I feel rather stupid about this. I have been reading a lot about borax for some of my ailments. Long story short, I have got a little mixed up with the rates. I have just taken a quarter of a teaspoon in 600ml of water. I now realise this may be way too much. I worried it will have some adverse affect. please help

Replied by Jenn
(Coborra, Australia)
01/04/2015

I read on here some weeks ago that the quantity is the very tip of your finger in 1 litre of water, so about 15 grains of the stuff per 1000 mils.

As for your mixture..I would drink a lot of water about 3 litres, over the next couple of days then make a new batch, and when it does not taste soapy, you know you have it about right.

Now, I too am in Australia and wanted to ask you what borax you are using? This is because Hovex is no longer available anywhere around here, only the brand, Bare Essentials.

Replied by David
(Australia)
01/04/2015

Hey again. Thanks for replying. I bought the bare essentials borax from Coles for bout 5 dollars. I read the msd sheet and it said it had no added fragrances. So I assumed this was fine????.I also feel totally fine a day after so I'm not so worried now.

Replied by Mama To Many
(Tennessee)
01/05/2015

Dear David,

I think Ted's recommended dosage of borax for men is 1/4 teaspoon in a liter of water per day. 5 days a week. So you were not way off base. You might drink more water to dilute it further.

My husband takes borax five days a week. If he takes too much it gives him digestive distress. But it doesn't last too long. I would encourage you not to worry.

~Mama to Many~

Replied by David
(Australia)
01/05/2015

I read it was a quarter of a teaspoon in a litre of water. That makes your solution. Then you on take one or two teaspoons of that litre solution per day. Can someone clarify if this is correct??

EC: Hi David,

Many people on EC have reported trying Ted's borax protocol, as follows:

Men: 1/4 teaspoon in a liter of filtered water. Sip on the borax water throughout the day until the liter is finished. Next day, prepare another liter. 5 days on, 2 days off.

Women - 1/8 teaspoon in a liter of filtered water. Same instructions as above.

Drink plenty of water without borax during the day as well.

Replied by Maria
(Gippsland, Australia)
01/05/2015

Hi David& Jenn, We have been using the bare essensials brand for a while now. I think it may be the only one available now in the suppermarkets. Harpers is not available any more here in Vic. At least l cant find it now. A mistake was made when I was very ill and I took aprox 1.5 tsp (yes more than 1 but less than 2 tsp with no ill effects. No matter how sick I am I have never made this mistake again. It is interesting to look at the msds of borax & the msds of sodium chloride (salt) and see how safe borax really is. Although as mama to many said digestion can be temporarily upset & I would assume hormones would be effected with larger doses.

Replied by Elizabeth
(Thornleigh, Nsw, Australia)
04/29/2015
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Hi,

After checking one of the other links about the effect on Candida, I now understand why this body is feeling currently worse. The mucus, pain in hand and finger joints, spinal stenosis symptoms of pinched nerves affecting neck, eyes, nose, ears, arms, skull (massive pain), depression etc. etc. - all part of the detox. I'm glad I read that as I had a feeling these are CURRENTLY detox symptoms and I'm prepared to continue until the boron in the Borax finally works, as I need a job. I'm 63. My meditation also gives relief to the pressure. Not a cure, but helps. Taking pressure off the mind takes pressure off the body.

Another place to get it in Oz is at Bunnings - same brand.

Good to read all this feedback on the effect of boron. I'm so grateful I finally discovered the info online. It gives hope.

Thank you all and I wish success - no more suffering and pain to you all.

Elizabeth

Replied by Peter
(Clarence, NY)
11/20/2020
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I have been taking borax 1 tsp. in a quart of distilled water then taking one tsp. of that in water twice a day. I recently discovered this was a very mild dose. I was in a bad Motorcycle accident four years ago and still have pain and stiffness. I wanted to use your forum to learn more.

Replied by Art
(California)
11/20/2020
1390 posts

Hi Peter,

I use the dose that Ted recommended many years ago, 1/4 teaspoon of borax in a liter of water each day, Monday thru Thursday and then nothing on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Art


Dr. Rex Newnham on Borax

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Posted by Mark (Exeter, United Kingdom) on 08/23/2015 12 posts
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Hi Sharon,

Big pharma make billions in profit from keeping us all ill so they can supply us with their chemical medications and vaccinations. They are so powerful that any threat to profit margins due to people or products trying to offer cures will be bumped off and removed.

Healthy humans means no neeed for big pharmas meds leading to no massive profits. The queen is the head of the pharma corps so that gives an idea who we are up against.

Its only in recent years that the EU classified borax as toxic, but they left out that toxicity only applied to unborn babies! & so is bleach toxic deadly to unborns aswel as humans and animals full stop!!

A man in 1960's tried to find bigger outlets to help him supply borax as a arthritic cure when the demand for his discovery supplying masses of local people with the borax dosages in med form became bigger than he could handle, so unwittingly approaced people he thought would help ease his medicine demands by mass production and manufacturing. These people were the wrong help as they had vested interest in profits selling synthetic meds to a never ending supply of patients they kept ill, so they shut him up and took away his discovery.

Here is the story...

The Arthritis Cure of Rex Newnham

In the 1960's Rex Newnham, Ph.D., D.O., N.D, developed arthritis. At that time he was a soil and plant scientist in Perth, Western Australia. Conventional drugs did not help, so he looked for the cause into the chemistry of plants. He realized that plants in that area were rather mineral deficient. Knowing that boron aids calcium metabolism in plants he decided to try it. He started taking 30 mg of borax a day, and in three weeks all pain, swelling and stiffness had disappeared.

He told public health and medical school authorities about his discovery but they were not interested. However, some people with arthritis were delighted as they improved. Others were scared to take something with a poison label on the container and meant to kill cockroaches and ants. Eventually he had tablets made with a safe and effective quantity of borax.

Within five years and only by word of mouth he sold 10,000 bottles a month. He could no longer cope and asked a drug company to market it. That was a major mistake. They indicated that this would replace more expensive drugs and reduce their profits. It so happened that they had representatives on government health committees and arranged that in 1981 Australia instituted a regulation that declared boron and its compounds to be poisons in any concentration. He was fined $1000 for selling a poison, and this successfully stopped his arthritis cure from spreading in Australia.

(2)Subsequently he published several scientific papers on borax and arthritis. One was a double-blind trial in the mid 1980's at the Royal Melbourne Hospital which showed that 70% of those who completed the trial were greatly improved. Only 12% improved when on placebo. There were no negative side-effects, but some reported that their heart ailment had also improved, and there was better general health and less tiredness.

(3) Most of his later research was devoted to the relationship between soil boron levels and arthritis. He found, for instance that the traditional sugarcane islands, due to long-term heavy use of fertilizers, have very low soil-boron levels. Jamaica has the lowest level and arthritis rates are about 70%. He noted that even most dogs were limping. Next comes Mauritius with very low boron levels and 50% arthritis. The daily boron intake in these countries is less than 1 mg/day. An interesting comparison is between Indian and native Fijians. The Indians are estimated to have an arthritis rate of about 40% and eat much rice grown with fertilizer while the native Fijians with an estimated arthritis rate of 10% eat mainly starchy root vegetables grown privately without fertilizer.

Cont........from below linked website................

Taken from this very informative website:

The Borax Conspiracy

How the Arthritis Cure has been Stopped

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

Hope you find useful

Mark


Dr. Rex Newnham on Borax
Posted by James (Lakefield, Qc, Canada) on 01/07/2013
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Dr. Rex Newnham who first investigated the relation between Boron and Arthritus was using 60 mg Borax per day in his studies.

The Royal australian Hospital in Melbourne was also using 60 mg Borax per day in their 1980's studies which showed a 70% success rate for a group of people aged 55-74. From Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
..."Elemental boron, boron oxide, boric acid, borates, and many organoboron compounds are non-toxic to humans and animals (approximately similar to table salt). The LD50 (dose at which there is 50% mortality) for animals is about 6 g per kg of body weight. Substances with LD50 above 2 g are considered non-toxic. The minimum lethal dose for humans has not been established. An intake of 4 g/day of boric acid was reported without incidents, but more than this is considered toxic for more than a few doses. Intakes of more than 0. 5 grams per day for 50 days cause minor digestive and other problems suggestive of toxicity. [120]Nielsen, Forrest H. (1997). Plant and Soil 193"

So I would suggest that it is not neccessary to use ten times what the above researchers were using. Instead, results should be seen using only 1/16 teaspoon and it will be considerably safer.


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Posted by Mary (Mi) on 08/29/2018
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I started reading about ingesting borax and was kind of afraid at first but I've been using a 1/8th teaspoon in a bottled water (liter of water, to which I add more water as I drink it) every day except weekends. I think it has given me more energy, which is why I am keeping it up. I recently fell outside and twisted my ankle-but actually not a whole lot of pain (except when I first did it) and I was able to walk and work (and my work is standing factory work)-and I did twist it so that it swelled up and bruised. I don't know if the borax drink helped-because when I did it I thought I was going to have to call in to my work.


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Posted by Barking Bandicoot (Melbourne, Australia) on 06/04/2015
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I have been taking borax in water for mites/fungus but what I have found is that my eye sight has gotten a lot better! I web searched boron and vision and sure enough it is beneficial!

Replied by Andrew
(England)
06/06/2015

That's interesting BB, I too have been taking borax for few months with the pleasant side effect of a Testosterone boost so have a higher sex drive and keeping a lean muscle mass. I looked into this and borax has been shown to increase Testosterone in men by as much as 28%. I am 52.

Replied by Brian
(Ft Worth)
12/10/2015

Andrew. how much borax do you take to increase testosterone?

Replied by Deebee
(Germany)
08/27/2016

How should I take borax for better eye sight?!? How much of borax and how?

Replied by Mama To Many
(Tennessee)
08/27/2016

Ted's original recommendation is this:

For men: 1/4 teaspoon borax in 1 liter of water sipped throughout the day. 4 days on and 3 days off.

For women: 1/8 teaspoon borax in 1 liter of water sipped throughout the day, 4 days on and 3 days off.

If you notice side effects, reduce the amount taken. It could take months to notice improvement, so don't give up right if it doesn't seem to be working right away. My husband has been doing this for about a year and a half.

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Becky
(Ca)
11/23/2017
32 posts

Mama to Many,

Does your husband take Calcium? I few pages back someone said borax can deplete minerals like calcium, vit D... what must be taken when using oral borax?

Trying to get the best info before I start borax.Thanks!

Replied by Mama To Many
(Tn)
11/24/2017

Dear Becky,

My husband did not take extra calcium. He does get plenty of dietary calcium.

Honestly, I am not sure which supplements are best to complement the borax protocol!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Hendrik
(FS, South Africa)
09/26/2021
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My reading glasses are almost out of use, except when the print is small and it is darker.

Replied by ?znur TANAL
(Antalya, Turkey)
12/15/2021

Paylaşım için teşekkür ederim.
Peki nasıl kullandınız?
Ölçüsünü verir misiniz?
Teşekkürler.. 🙏 💞

Translated from Turkish

Thank you for sharing.
So how did you use it?
Can you give the size?
Thank you.. 🙏 💞


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Posted by Denise (Biloxi, Mississippi ) on 05/25/2009
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Fibro/Flouride:

A brief history. 7 years ago thyroid cancer, the next year adrenal fatigue then early menopause, the following year uterine prolapsed followed by hysterectomy- the following year fibromyalgia and neuropathy. Early Childhood was fluorinated water along with fluoride tablets. Fall of 2008 I was looking at total disability. I could barely walk and couldn't sleep because of the pain and was throwing up daily from the pain in my back. I was on many medications that gave me no relief and I have since found out that they had fluoride as a binding agent. I was sure that my life was over at 45, but thanks to Ted and Earthclinic I am almost at 100%. After reading about fluoride I came to understand where all of my problems originated. I had all the symptoms and reactions. It has been an uphill battle with my doctors and relatives, but you can't argue with a body that is almost pain free. I began the borax detox of 1/8 tsp in a liter of water and within 3 days my symptoms were almost gone. I watch everything I eat and can detect fluoride in vitamins, foods and drinks within 15 minutes of ingesting it. I still suffer from the neuropathy and some pain from the neuropathy but I am off all meds and I have my life. I only wish more people would try to understand the fluoride connections. My sister and mother both suffer with side effects of fluoride and I have only been able to influence my mother. I still borax 5 days on and two days off and give my body a break every month or so for about a week. Thank you :)


Fluoride Detox

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Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 02/01/2010 383 posts
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Borax was used to remove fluoride poisoning in a Rabbit study given toxic doses of fluoride. Boron is also a required mineral. The doses of boric acid (which is more toxic then borax) in the study quoted is estimated at doses of roughly 4.5 g to 4.90 grams/kg, would be equivalent of taking boric acid (which equivalent) in a typical 70 kg adult of 4.5x70 grams to 4.98 x 70 grams. The idea of fluoride removal using borax was based on a toxicity research on giving fluoride at toxic dose, rabbits fed on borax were protected from the fluoride poisoning. If there is difficulty in using fluoride or obtaining them, it's possible to eat tamarind which is also an good chelation agent of fluoride too, however, borax has a unique property in being less toxic then boric acid, and it's alkaline, but it's also a required mineral and normalizes hormone level. Different studies used higher LD50 on borax toxicity, but I used a much lower figures about 2 grams/kg, where the toxicity is equivalent to salt, which has a value roughly 2 grams/kg weight also. A chelation agent of mineral I can use humic acid, zeolite, or a mixture of humic acid and zeolite together also. However, humic acid interestingly enough lowers excitotoxicity (aspartate and glutamate) that's found high in ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) and aspartame poisoning, found in many sugar free products, one interesting side effect is the desire to pee every 30 minutes or so throughout the day. It takes about 1-4 weeks to remove this extreme urinary urgency. Fluoride on the other hand has a suppressive effect, but both together cause (with aspartame) caused extreme sleeplessness and apathy at even low doses, found in fluoridation and fluoridated toothpaste. As to whether borax removes or chelate fluoride, the idea of chelation requires more chemical analysis at a molecular level, and i can't find a research study on that one. However, there is increase in fluoride excretion when borax for example, implying the removal of fluoride, and possibly chelation of fluoride. In which case the level of toxic reaction to fluoride is removed whenever fluoride is taken at toxic doses, and using the borax, for example, as the antidote. The idea of using borax is based on subacute doses of luoride poisoning, which is a common one given the excessive fluoride consumption, is based on this study:

Fluoride 1981; 14(1):21-29

Boron as antidote to fluoride: effect on bones and claws in subacute intoxication of rabbits

Elsair J, Merad R, Denine R, Azzouz M, Khelfat K, Hamrour M, Alamir B, Benali S, Reggabi M

Laboratories of Physiology, Toxicology and Galenic Pharmacy, Medical Institute, Algiers, Algeria

Summary: Rabbits were "subacutely" intoxicated by administration of 30 mg/kg/day of fluoride for 3 months followed by 15 mg/kg/day for a subsequent 3 months (F). Boron was given alone (B) as preventive and simultaneously with fluoride prophylactically (F + Bp), as well as therapeutically namely midway during the experimental period (F + Bpc) while fluoride was being administered and after it was discontinued (Bc compared with fluoirde interuption F*), at a constant F/B ratio. All groups were compared to normal controls.

Boron administered during fluoride intoxication or after its interruption, reduces fluoremia and increases urinary fluoride excretion. Skeletal fluoride levels are directly relatd to those of claws. They bear no relationship to fluoride in hair. The high fluoride content in bone in lot F decreases with addition of boron. It is still high in lot F* but returns to normal in loc Bc. Calcium content of bones remains normal in all lots. Posterior pad radiography shows a cortical thickness in lot F which is less pronounced in lots F + Bpc and F*, and returns to normal in lot Bc.
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If a person were to take very high amounts of fluoride, then you need a combination of other remedies including tamarind, and grinded seeds of tamarind, which is also used to detox fluoride in the environment, especially the tamarind seed powder, or possibly tamarind seed extract. Unfortunately tamarind is a food and is not a required mineral as in boron, so it's considered a fruit, but can also be used to remove fluoride. Tamarind is a common candy in Thailand and is easily available here and is used in preparing various food delicacy here in Thailand also. It's not possible to prove the chelation of fluoride per se, but researchers assume they do, and from a practical point of view, as a consumer, it reduces fluoride toxicity and subacute doses, and that I find it just fine for most applications.


Fluoride Poisoning

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Posted by Mick (Ravenna, Ohio, Usa) on 07/26/2010
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Boiron USA makes a homeopathic borax tablet which can be purchased at most healthfood stores (some of which didn't even know they had it). It comes in a tiny plastic tube and can only be marketed to cure canker sores per FDA. I have found it in a 30C and 6C version. I am currently taking the 30C version at three micro tablets per day for flouride poisoning and will post results as they happen. Stay healthy stay strong.

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08/05/2010 Update:

After 3 days on Borax microtablets for flouride poisoning I have a few things to report:

First and foremost was an amazing side effect that I didn't expect. I have experienced what I call "floaties" in my eyes, these are black hazy spots that move when I move my head, that I have had for years and are now gone. After day one my vision was a little blurry, but after day 2 no more blur and no more floaties. It wasn't till after day three that I was really shocked. As I was driving to work I passed a sign that I hadn't been able to read for years and I read the sign. I immediately called my wife and read to her all the license plates of the cars in front of me, which I haven't been able to do. Finally, I could make out the pine needles on the pine tree in my back yard, yet another pleasant surprise. I did experience some extra joint pain and it definitely fired up my kidneys but both subsided after day 2. I did experience the testicular pain and found this was probably due to the high levels of sodium in the area which flouride tends to bind to easily. Boiron recommends using product for only 3 days at a time and I am currently on a break. I definitely recommend this product to anyone who's flouride levels are high.

Replied by Deirdre
(Atlanta)
08/11/2010

Many thanks to Mick for letting us know about the homeopathic version of borax. For some reason, I had a tough time finding the product based on Mick's two posts while searching on Google. I finally found it on Amazon.com (once I plugged in the right key words) and ordered a pack of 5 over the weekend. Just got them yesterday.

Here's the 5-pack I bought on Amazon. You can also buy single packs.

If you want to search Google Shopping, here's the link.

For those who, like me, find it impossible to read the tiny print on the container, it says: "5 pellets in the mouth three times a day until symptoms subside." As mentioned by Mick, this product is used for canker sores.

Replied by Prioris
(Fl, Usa)
09/27/2013

Homeopathy is an energy medicine. It changes the water itself. That is why the more diluted it is, the more power it has. The medicine is in the water/alcohol. Not really in the substance although the substance helps change the water.

Replied by Yvette
(Germany)
05/18/2015

You have to take a break of 4 weeks when using C Potencies in Homeopathy, the higher the potency the longer it lasts in your blood (unless u drink coffee, which is one of the biggest antidote of Homeopathy) do not repeat too often u could get "proving" symptoms of th e Remedy, so less is more, also its not about quantity but about quality one pellet goes a long way it last 4 weeks in blood and does its job. Only in very acute conditions one can repeat more often, (and then its better to use LM Potencies then C)in chronic conditions once a month is enough.


Fluoride Poisoning
Posted by David (Surrey, BC Canada) on 02/19/2009
0 out of 5 stars

Tried borax for almost 2 weeks

Hi, I tried borax starting with about 1/32 a teaspoon and working up to 1/4 teaspoon, and I had a negative reaction to it. I only used it for about 2 weeks total, but for the last 3 weeks, since I stopped using it, I have had kidney, testicle, and head aches. The pain in my testicles and my headaches mostly stopped about a week ago, but I am still having problems with kidney pain.

Incidentally the pain decreased when I introduced calcium/magnesium in a 2:1 formula, as I knew that magnesium was good for kidney health, but the other pains continued and I just had to stop in fear of might be happening. I still am having kidney pain - only light pain now - occasionally throughout the day, especially at night when trying to sleep. I REALLY wish I hadn't tried the borax (20 mule team).

I am still looking for an alternative to the borax! As now that I think about family members, I see 3 different conditions that are probably caused by fluoride. Thanks for the information though I wish I hadn't participated in the borax 'trial'.

Replied by Chantiel
(Us)
01/10/2017

I have the same side effects. I found the tablets as opposed to the powder helpful, but only after at least a 7 day cleanse of the colon and iodine. I used a 7 day ultimate cleanse, which offers both. (Can't clean the deep parts without a clean pathway out, sort through of.) I actually did a 14 day cleanse with 2 days break in the middle. All cleansing will cause some discomfort at the beginning, however. Bless you, I hope this helps!

Replied by Anon
(Usa)
01/10/2018

The kidney pain may be due to the alkalinity of borax affecting preexisting kidney stones. Drinking a glass of water with a tablespoon of raw apple cider vinegar a few times a day may fix it. Other remedies for kidney stones are available elsewhere on EarthClinic.


Fluoride Poisoning
Posted by James Wallace (Seattle, Washington / USA) on 11/16/2008
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

A few years ago I used Borax to reduce fluoride and got a rash on my hands and feet. This is a classical sign of Borax / boron poisoning (I really don't consider it a real poisoning).

Since I really liked what Borax did for me, until I got the rash,I thought if I ever find a way to get ride of the rash I must share it. Mostly because I lost about 15 pounds in 15 weeks while taking Borax (seems that's another side effect of "Borax poisoning").

The thing that worked for me was taking niacin to flush. So you don't want to use flushless niacin. 500 mg to 1000 mg does it for me. I do it as soon as I wake up for the day.

Seems the niacin flush opens the capularies wider and alows larger particles to get out of the hands and feet. The palms of the hands and the soles of the feet are where the Borax rash occurs. It takes awhile to get completely clear of the boran that acumulates there, But releaf from the rash only takes days.

Here's the interesting thing; to make the flushing of boron faster you actually have to quit the niacin until the rash comes back. Then you restart the niacin and it clears up again. In my case this worked asimetricaly. First the sole of my left foot cleared up, then my right palm. After that my right sole and then my left palm.

And now I am clear of Borax / boron poisoning. So now I can take Borax again. It did take a couple of years to get back to normal for me. But if I had figured out how to do the "use niacin for a month and quit until the rash comes backs and start niacin again" I think I could have cleared this up in four to six months.

The possible reason I might have had born acumulation is because I may have smaller capularies than other people.

I don't consider "Borax / boron poisoning" to be a real poisoning because really only the rash and the weightloss are the only side effects.

And the reason I wanted to publish this here is because I don't want any of you to be hesitent to use Borax because of my last post where I said I had gotten the boron rash. And because Borax is safe and effective.

Replied by Ted
(Bangkok, Thailand)
11/17/2008
383 posts

The only rash I have reported from borax came from Morgellon's Disease, Lyme, and Lupus that flushes out the nanoinsects and mycoplasma that lies deep into the system. It seems the use of niacin made the autoimmune disorder worse. So the rash is not a poisoning it's an autoimmunity. I still have a large box of nanoinsects where they come out on the skin, from one of the earthclinic reader, that are in the millions sitting on my desk. It killed off the nanoinsect which surfaces. The niacin is a double edged sword. In one cases the use of morgellons' got worse in another case, the taking of niacin together with borax killed the nanoinsect much faster. Therefore the rash if it is non-Mogellons, turns out to be a mycoplasma that seems to cause the joint pain.

As to the weight loss some, not all, will have that benefit from borax. The issue is if a person has low hormones or low blood boron, the supplementation of boron raises the bodys' hormones (e.g. growth hormone, sex hormone - it works like a viagra) and cause the body's metabolism to burn the fat faster. In fact boron it self is a surfactant that increases the body's hormone's efficiency even if the hormones is still low. In fact fats and oils lowers the body's hormones by blocking them, while surfactants, such as boron and lecithin helps hormones to function normally by removing the fats from blocking as it is soluble to the surfactant.

I don't support or condone the use of boron, but I find it necessary still for removal of fluoride which is a lot more toxic then boron, and still I don't use everyday either, but in conditions of autoimmune disease, Morgellon's, Lupus, these condition are very debilitating to the point that one case the debilitation lasted about two decades before the recovery is possible upon supplementation with baking soda, potassium citrate and borax.

A proper use of borax is to dissolve in one liter of water 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon. In event of colder climates the solubility of borax maybe reduced.so it may have to be dissolved in two liter of water. What I suspect however is that borax was not dissolved in a liter to two liter of drinking water here.

The other issue if niacin if not properly used can make the condition worse in event of an autoimmunity and is not likely will be posted as a remedy and used only as a last resort , after alkalizing remedy is used, and EDTA is used. Most of the cloggings or rashes after examining if it is not nanoinsects, mycoplasma, Morgellons, and bacteria that is deep inside the body, usually existing in the joints Then hydrogen peroxide drops is used too, If those were eliminated, than what I found is the enormous calcification that occurs whenever fluoride is of high level. It's the calcium that clogs the capillaries. The counter remedy to reduce calcium (fluoride tends to increase blood calcium as is metabolic acidosis). And therefore a more useful remedy is to reduce blood calcium to normal levels using the lemon and baking soda, which is a citrate, or a more stronger disodium EDTA, pH buffered to 7.5 pH. Citrate can also chelate out the excess calcium but alkalization also reduces the leeching effects that occurs with blood acidity.

Therefore to prevent further problems of excessive blood calcium, it is often the alkalization that has to be added. A borax is never taken directly but is always diluted with plenty of water, such as a liter of water. Quite often most of the problems I have encountered with borax used is instructions were not followed, and the dose exceeded the instructions, or not understanding proper alkalization during borax use, which is required if the body already had metabolic acidosis. If blood calcium is high it is also good to use the lemon and baking soda remedy where the resulting reaction is a citrate which reduces the blood calcium too. Weight loss is often from the effects of surfactant properties in removing excessive oils that blocks normal hormone functioning that causes weight gains in some people who already had high blood fats.

Ted

Replied by Lilly
(Margate, Florida)
06/27/2009
5 out of 5 stars

.I have been using borax for months now from the grocery store, I love it and also use it on my girls 5 & 7. Every now and then my skin would itch for no reason almost like crawling and it would keep me up at night scratching, until I found your site and tried it. I keep it in a container in the shower, soap up a wash towel then pour the borax in the towel (no measuring) just make a mound and wash my whole body w/it...it feels sooo good and I sleep like a baby, no itching, also do the same w/my girls and my husband, it feels like exfoliating and everyone loves it here, we have had no adverse reactions except soft beautiful skin. Thanks to everyone...I love your site and read for hrs.



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