A-Fib: Two years ago I started having problems with heart palpitations they got so severe at one point I was hospitalized. Thinking I was having a heart attack my Doctor set me up with the usual tests. Holter monitor, stress tests all of them. They decided in the end that it may be the beginning of A-Fib. Not ready to start me on all the meds since I was already taking high blood pressure medicine and a low dose aspirin and 1200 mgs. of calcium. I had been taking potassium as well but after blood work my doctor stopped them saying I didn't need them. The cardiologist decided to put me on toprol too. I didn't like the way they made me feel but, believing in Doctors as all knowledgeable I continued on. I kept having less severe attacks that I learned how to ease somewhat until they went away. I was trying to lose weight and I was on pretty much a starvation diet for a long time after having tried so many things and couldn't lose any weight. My Doctor was informed of this, he ignored it. My friend suggested I try some magnesium so to humor her I went to the grocery and bought a bottle of magnesium. Didn't seem to help much. But then last summer my sister introduced me to Calm and some literature by a naturopath. I read and then read everything I could find on the subject it explained so much about my symptoms and I was shocked so decided to search the internet and found Earth Clinic you are a life saver thank you so much for being here for us. I discovered due to my bad diet I had depleted my mineral stores and my heart was reacting to the loss of them. I started back on potassium and took the Calm magnesium every day in the high dose recommended. I read Dr. Carolyn Deans web page and stopped the calcium. Since that time I have not experienced another A-Fib attack or felt the least bit of a problem from my heart.
Sorry to be so long winded but, I wanted to be clear on what the cause was. That magnesium works wonders and to keep learning and to Thank all who send their information to Earth Clinic for the good of us all.
I was having terrible afib and palpitations. I have no other health issues and have been doctor free for 30 years. I started 500mgs of magnesium glycinate and 200mgs CoQ10 and within 48 hrs, my heart had regulated.
Anyone having misfiring of the heart needs to balance electrolytes.
(Ten Mile, Tn)
TONYA, if my Tractor Driver will allow, I kiss you right in the mouth. I will try this, because nothing I do is working. Thank you.
So I too was diagnosed with Afib & it was pretty bad. I realized that it seemed to happen when eating or sleeping so I was thinking it was coming from my stomach & not my heart as the doctor says — so I refused all medication. Through trial & error, I found something that got rid of it. First, ReMag magnesium (I take 1/4 tsp in water & sip throughout the day) and the big improvement came by taking ginger — I use Now brand Ginger Root Extract with 5% gingerols. If you don't have that, I use ginger from the spice aisle, 1/4 tsp. in a small glass of water. These 2 has basically made my afib disappear but if I get any signs of it, ginger knocks it out in like 10 minutes. I just read on a site that someone stopped their Afib by taking enzymes when they eat & probiotics in the morning. I'm gonna add that in just for “insurance”. My theory is that I got this Afib from taking levequin, which damaged or aggrevated my vagus nerve. I'm thinking that most Afib comes from a problem with the vagus nerve — research it on the web & you will find lots of info.
Hi, I too find ginger helpful and believe my afib has to do with vagus aggravation. Eating can bring it on and lately lying down seems to bring on! Always thought it was more to do with my stomach than heart so never did well on the heart meds they tried to give me! Just take very low dose of a beta blocker daily now which I don't even think I need! I also was put on “Cipro” for a UTI right before I was diagnosed and strongly believe this was responsible for bringing it on too! These antibiotics are very toxic! I do take taurine & Hawthorn & Mg which I think help but haven't found anything that has stopped it! Just treat it! That's the best we can do I guess.
My Mum has had atrial Fib for many years, she is 89, ended up in hospital many times because of it and also had very high pulse. Medications don't work anymore, she also had pacemaker fitted in many years ago but it didn't seem to work for atrial Fib. She also had 3 cardioversions, last one before last Christmas. I wanted to share what she did to bring her heart beat and pulse to normal. She had shoulder pain and used electric massage to relieve the pain, as last cardioversion worked only for a few hours she was back to square one with her heart going like crazy and high pulse, so she had an idea to put this massage gadget near her heart but on the other side not close to her pacemaker and she noticed that after a few minutes her heart rhythm came back to normal. It was a month ago more or less, she used it a few times when it started again and it calmed down straight away and her pulse came down. She was amazed herself and so was I but happy that something worked for her as it is a horrible and frightening illness. She told her GP about it another day and her doctor was very interested how she did it and said it's a home cardioversion she did and was happy for her. I wanted to share it, maybe somebody would benefit from it.
Over the years, I have found that coffee (more specifically, caffeine) causes me to have irregular heartbeats. Now, every cup of coffee contains a bit of organic Blackstrap Molasses. No longer do I experience heart beats that feel like my heart is flopping around. No longer do I get that shortness of breath feeling. In fact, all I have to do, if I haven't had BSM in a while and experience an irregular heartbeat, is dip my finger into BSM and the irregularity subsides.
(New York, US)
I am weaning off some beta blockers and finding ways to keep my heart rate down. I tried the BSM and it kind of calmed my heart down a bit.. I put a teaspoon in some organic herbal tea... Not sure its working totally though..It does have sugar also.
But what is in that slows down the heart? Is it the minerals.? Potassium??
(New Hampshire, US)
Bee, I'm betting it's the Magnesium in Blackstrap Molasses that may be regulating HR. Not a huge amount per Tbls, 15mg maybe, but possibly gets into your system faster than a capsule.
(New York, US)
Bee, My experience has been that Mag does not lower your HR but works as an anti arrhythmia. I use 3-900 mg per day/night depending on the vices/feeling that day. Big coffee or wine day, double down on Mag. If youre looking to lower your HR, Hawthorne works well. I use about 5-1500 mg and last 2 AF episodes HR stayed under 75. Rate control will not necessarily keep you out of AF, but you will function better until your back to NSR. Ive been Metop/Flecainide free 5 months now and increased exercise 4 times the amount due to more energy level. When the Meds are gone, youll feel like you just lowered your age 10 years.
(New York, US)
Here is the kicker.. the doctor gave me meterprolol two years ago for high blood pressure and anxiety.. I was taking 100 miligrams and now have gotten down to 37 miligrams but that has been since last March.. I don't have AFib and never had a high heart rate until I started this medication so I am getting off of it.. I have asked, double asked doctors and read about it all and I am highly overly sensitive to this stuff .. Anyway; I would love to take Hawthorne but it interferes with Metropolol or so I have asked read and studied.I don't know now... I would love to keep my heart rate down as I wean but some days if I just walk down the stairs or a few feet with doing nothing else My heart rate goes up and it is too early to take the medication... not even sure I can exercise too much as this point. I have also cut out caffeine, alcohol and sugar.. I was thinking I might have too much cortisol and adrenaline rushes. Thank You.
(Hope, Bc, Canada)
That medicine is not good for you nor will it make you better. As it is said "if the disease is not killing you, the medicine certainly will".
In Europe, for a long time, Hawthorn has been used without "side effects" . Online you can read up on it. When, for a brief time, I had irregular heartbeat because of stress, Hawthorne corrected it and I am fine . It is useful to combine it with Coq 10 with Ubiquinol. H. is going to strengthen your heart within three months. Your body cannot cope with the poison that "doctors" give you. It is designed to keep you dependent and to need more of allopathic poison drugs. Because it is disease mongering and nothing else.
Maybe a naturopathic doctor could help you with this even with one consultation.
Wishing you well. Namaste, Om
(New York, US)
Didn't you read what I wrote.. I know all about beta blockers and that is why I am GETTING OFF OF THEM.... and all that I read about Hawthorn but it is contraindicated with beta blockers.but I hope to take it one day ... and no I DO NOT HAVE AN IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT but I have bad side effects from the beta blocker and yes I take COQ10, magnesium, B complex, C, D, E, Taurine, L-Carnitine, olive Leaf extract and some other things ...
The last doctor I went to was a naturopath and she yelled at me and didn't believe a word I said (long story).. so I wont be going back to her.
Bee, 37 mg is a pretty low dose and depending on what time of day you take it, H should not interfere with it, if it does at all. Beta blockers limit and weaken stress hormones, while H improves circulation expanding blood vessels. New medical studies have now shown how vital stress is to our hearts, calling it "good stress". That fight or flight hormone being blocked should tell us something as naturally beneficially to us eventually will fail. Lets say you take 250 mg H in Am, and all your Metop at night, your HR at the worst will go down slightly and you can adjust the H the next day. By doing this, I weaned off 200 mg of Flecainide, a much more dangerous med, in 3 months, using H right along with it. This isnt rocket science here. No one ever died from a Drug deficiency, but plenty get sick from nutrition/mineral deficiency.
Thank you but I am not sure what you are trying to say.... I got myself down to 37 miligrams from 100 which wasn't easy and I want to get off completely... I believe I have a high sensitivity to it or that is what I read and have been told that some people have a harder time. Yes I will def. try the Hawthorn very soon.. Wow, I can't believe you weaned off of that drug in a few months..
Bee, when I say I got myself off meds, dont think for one second that I just woke up one morning and threw them in the trash. It was under the care and guidance of a couple of Doctors and others. Much depends on the length of time and dosage taken to transfer to natural supplements with no set time table for doing so. If your'e at 37 now, then I would say good job, and with support, it won't be long.
(New York, US)
I have been taking the natural supplements for awhile now since weaning off the meterprolol .. been on the M for two years and was at 100 mgms.. It has not been easy for me as I have read many people are overly sensitive to this drug.. I have many side effects and it has somewhat stopped my life in some ways.. I just tried to go down to 25 miligrams and too many side effects so I opted for 31 mgs. I have been doing this for 8 months in which four doctors told gave me the generic one size fits all formula.. they were all wrong. the last one said I could be off of this stuff in a month or two. I said No that won't work for me. She said some nasty things to me and only gave me a two month supply.. I wont be going back to her.. So I so far am getting no help from doctors plus I have no medical insurance . so glad you got the help you needed and are doing well...
Anyway; I am going to try the Hawthorne at the low dose ..I get most of my advice from people who work in the health food store or people I meet along the way on this journey..
thank You so much
To Bee in New York: I also am on beta blocker (toprol) and have started Hawthorne.Am now down to 12.5 mg a day and take H. 2x a day (morning and evening ) with no side effects. Was actually on a higher dose of beta and have weaned down to 12.5mg and am weaning to every other day now.I really believe it has been the Hawthorne. I also take other some other supplements and feel much better than I felt on more beta blocker and fleccainide.Hated that stuff! They even wanted me to go on another more dangerous drug after that! I only wish I could find a good "naturopath m.d." to help guide me a little.Thank God for "earth clinic" and all their advice! Try out the H. I think you will be O.K. even on it with the beta blocker. You just don't need as much beta has been my observation! I am my own guinea pig! Good luck and God bless!
(New York, US)
Yes I read your other posts about the AFib and all. I am down to 25 mgs. of Metropolol but I was given it for high blood pressure and anxiety. I was getting side effects and palpitations as I wean down so was looking for something to make it easier. It has been rough but yes I am feeling a lot better and I my brain fog is gone . I am not sure what Hawthorn to get. The liquid or the tablets.. Looks like the tablets all come in a high dose as I want to start out small.....will keep checking around.
Yes I would love to find a good naturopathic doctor but haven't yet... the last one cost me 150.00 and then another 50 and did not help me at all........................I even ask around the area and neighborhood and no one really knows anyone worthwhile.
thank you for replying and for the help..
Yes, Bee I believe the lowest dose I found of Hawthorne is 500mg but I only take 1 in a.m.and 1at night The directions on bottle say 2tablets 3x a day! Didn't want to take that much with the beta blocker.But I am really feeling like I don't need the toprol much at all anymore. Also tried the BS molasses.My palpitations seem to have completely disappeared.Amazing! Think it is a combo of the H. and the BS molasses! Would have never gotten this much better listening to what those M.D's wanted me to take! I want to go back and tell them, too! But they won't listen or believe! I am taking 12.5 mg beta blocker every other day, now. Afraid to stop it completely! Don't want to get the afib back! I will continue and report back how it goes. Try it out! May help!
Another option for the Hawthorne is to make your own capsules. Then you could control exactly what is in each capsule. I did this for my husband. I made him a mix of 2 parts Hawthorne and 1 part ginger and one part cayenne. I bought a little capsule maker and empty capsules. It is a bit of an investment at the beginning but a big savings in the long run, plus you have control over the amounts. My husband took these for his heart irregularities and they worked! I get the Hawthorne powder from Mountain Rose Herbs. They sell the empty gel caps, too. I think I got the pill maker on Amazon.
Thanks for sharing your journey here. I am enjoying following your progress.
~Mama to Many~
(New York, US)
Yeah; wow 500 Hawthorn might be too much for me right now but a friend of mine suggested to break the capsule if possible and put a bit on my tongue and wait a few hours and see if any side effects.. I have to keep searching for a lower dose and maybe online.
So glad to hear of your progress..but you are right.. doctors will not believe you as they never believe me.. or if you have a doctor who listens to you then great .. I have not found one yet and don't plan on seeing doctors much if I can help it. I am also taking other natural supplements.
I guess I was looking for something to help me in the weaning process as I am highly overly sensitive to (M) and have taken the weaning very slowly .. It hasn't been much fun..with the side effects and going by how I feel and not the one size fits all the doctors give us.
"Solaray"tm makes a 100mg Haw flower extract/ 225mg Haw berry capsule that I found to be excellent. I find it works best with 300mg Mag and 100mg COQ10. I've used 3000 mg Hawthorn to get back to NSR. It doesn't hurt and won't kill you! The low dose of beta blocks is equivalent to strong aspirin. Love the BSM with my Mag/Haw also.
(New York, US)
You say that the beta blocker is equal to aspirin. I have not found that the case as I wean off of it. Its been a small nightmare.. so many side effects but I did read that some people are highly allergic to this drug.. I am happy though that I got from 100 mgs. down to 25 and did it slowly but I still had side effects. This stuff has messed up some of my life. I now have nightmares, panic attacks and other things in which I never had before and no its not all in my head...lol.
Now I feel I am addicted to it but I want to stop taking it.....I am on another chat board where people have had much worse things happen when they tried to get off of it.. Maybe because it was Metropolol.. who knows??
thanks for the feedback
Bee, possibly what you should be doing while on the 25mg of meds is take a good COQ10 Ubiquinol, 100mg , am and pm, along with xtra Magnesium, 400mg twice a day. Walking fast and getting your HR to 120 a few times will go along way towards success. I walk every day at least 30 min. I used to jog 1 hr 4 times a week, but thats out now. Betas block stress hormones, good and bad. They also block melatonin, affecting sleep patterns, nightmares. Perhaps theres more from others here that can be added. All and all, great job getting down to that low dose, commendable.
Bee, you have those effects when you try to stop beta blockers? I guess everyones different. You will need to get off them gradually I would say. Evidently you system has grown accustomed to them and is fighting back. My switch from Flecainide to Hawthorne was pretty smooth, 3 months. Some nights I skipped the meds and doubled the minerals. Had some rough nights where I woke up and took the meds early am. Eventually, I just hung in there and never went back to them. That was 6 months ago, and Im so much better off without them now.
Hi Hwk! I have been looking for you and Bee! I'mtrying to get off this "horrid" flecainide because I can't stand the way it makes me feel anymore! I gave it a good try for the docs but nt going for it anymore! Just can't! You said you've been off for some months and your afib episodes didn't increase? I'd be happy if they would just stay the same at this point They told me last time that they would increase from this since I had increased a little when I went off once before! So I went back on but can't take anymore! It is rough! Please let me know! You seem to have alot of knowledge about all of this and I don't! I have started Taurine as per Dr. Wolfson/Phoenix and it seems to help somewhat! Will increase the Mg as per Dr C.Dean too! Let me know please! Thank you, Pat
I would like to know if you all have major shortness of breath especially on laying down and coughing. I have a relative who is suffering now with Afib and I am not sure what else. Started with cold upper respiratory bug and his afib went wild. Can hardly breathe at times. Miserable and can hardly sleep. Has sleep apnea but has not been able to get used to the cpap. We have seen two regular doctors and went to Er last week. They started him on a drug to slow heart and made him feel like he was dying he said so he quit it. Now he is miserable. Wakes up after stopping breathing in the night. He is a diabetic also and on all kinds of pills for it and HBP. What can I do.
I have atrial fribrillation for 10 years and have tried virtually all health foods. Molasses (3 tbl/day) appears to have a major difference so far but I will have to wait a couple more months to be sure. It has also lowered my pulse.
To Xylnx:I, too have started taking molasses and it has really helped me with the afib too. Seems to be safe enough I guess. I only take 1 tbsp.every other day. Was taking it every day for a week or so. And all palps seemed to go away. Lowered the dose, then. Although I did have an afib episode one night and didn't have to medicate, though. Went away on its own. Fell asleep so don't think it lasted too long! Also am taking Hawthorne and some other supplements that friends on "earth clinic" recommended. Think they help, too. Anyway, I'm much better than I was when I was listening to the arrythmia doctors and taking their meds! Hope it keeps up!
Two words: Motherwort Tincture.
I have the palpitations, skipped beats, slow heart beat, fast heart beat, high blood pressure, panic attacks, etc.
I read a review of Motherwort tincture that convinced me to give it a try. Why not, I've tried everything else. Magnesium, potassium, Arginine, Lysine, dehydrated beet powder, cayenne, garlic, ginger, hawthorn, etc, etc, etc.
Many of these have helped immensely and kept me from dying. Motherwort stops my sudden high heartbeats, and palpitations as soon as it starts. It's cheap, and tastes like hell, but it may be a real help. Order a bottle and let us know how it has helped you.
I tried motherwort and it did not provide any relief for me. I will try a larger dosage and provide updates.
I have had an irregular heart beat and Atrial Fibrillation for some time. I have taken L-carnatine magnesium and acupuncture. Could you provide any further non drug help? Paul
Dear Paul, Re your AFIB - some suggestions - try to stay away from anything with MSG in it. MSG sets off afib in my husband if he ingests too much of it. Last year he had to have his heart stopped and restarted in the ER to get it back in rhythm. This cost over SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, not to mention the stress of it all. Scary stuff.
After that I read everything I could about afib.... And attempted to figure out why he had it, and then moved on to figure out what he needed to take (and avoid! ) to keep it from happening again.
It is important to keep your electrolytes in balance. My husband now takes daily magnesium 400mg, calcium every other day, 600mg, potassium daily 99mg, and taurine daily 1000 mg.... If he goes into afib, he immediatly takes an additional 1000mg taurine (taurine competes with and takes msg out of the body) and another magnesium and potassium also.
Additional vitamins to think about taking daily would be 1000mg vitamin C, 400mg vit E ( to keep blood thin.... Say no to the rat poison Coumadin that your Dr. will try to put you on! ) a good B complex, zinc, and 100-200mg of CO-Q10.
Thus far we have avoided a return trip to the hospital, knock wood. Hope you can do the same.... good luck.
@Paul: Maybe no quick fix on this one; but here is a list of supportive nutrients for heart health other than you mentioned. CoQ10 or Ubiquinol, Taurine, D Ribose. You may also consider an herbal combination supporting the entire cardiovascular system, which would include: Hawthorn berry, Gingko biloba leaf, White Oak bark, Butchers Broom, Horse Chestnut, Cayenne, Ginger, Garlic.
You may also consider recommendations by Dr. Sinatra. He has a YouTube channel and two very helpful books on heart disease/health.
I have chronical non stop AF (blessed with no feeling of it). For blood thinners I take only Nattokinase (1 at every 6 hours) - if I don't take it, I have very difficult time with breathing. Taking also Magnesium, Hawthorne and Arjuna (top Ayurveda herb for heart problems).
Also take first thing in the morning Cardio Chelate. Good luck!
(Crescent City, CA)
Would love to hear from you if you are still on the site? I just started Arjuna, and feel pretty hopeful about the a-fib I began having this year. I can feel mine, but it only happens once in awhile. The regular conventional cardios want to do all this stuff (tests, drugs) but I am on a Ketogenic diet and fixed my T2 Diabetes with just nutrition and exercise. I am wanting to try anything natural I can get to beat the a-fib as well :) Thanks much, hope to hear from you and find out how you are doing!
That post is from last year and in case you do not get the information you are seeking about Arjuna and might be interested in another option, the following may be of interest to you :
Here is a relevant quote :
' Chronic melatonin supplementation, either in physiological or pharmacological ranges, protects against arrhythmias [8, 21, 97, 163, 169, 189, 191, 192]. Beyond the reported antioxidant properties of melatonin, it reduces severe ventricular arrhythmias by antifibrotic mechanisms, electrical remodeling, direct mitochondrial protection, myocardial Cx43 preservation via PKC signaling, and vitamin D-HSP70/AT1 counterbalance (Figure 2). '
Nattokinase was reported to cause arrhythmias in 3.3% of trial participants according to pub media.nih.gov article.
Unfortunately, I was one of the unlucky 3% and nattokinase caused my arrhythmia, I believe. I got worse day by day for a couple of weeks until I figured it out by way of research and elimination. I suggest you drop the nattokinase and see if your arrhythmia goes away.
Notice that one of the cures to arrhythmia is to avoid soy.
Afib and Oat Bran: My Doc suggested a diet and exercise to reduce my cholesterol (239) but I've been doing that for years with little success. I've also had my heart skipping a beat about once or twice per minute (for years).
So, I read where an 8 week diet of a half cup of oat bran each day would lower my cholesterol. I started Feb. 21st and the amazing thing to me is that my heart palpitations stopped on the 22nd and I've not had ONE skip and it's only a few days away from being a month. I feel so much better, so much more energy.
My wife has been making delicious oat bran muffins, pancakes, and also just hot cereal with blueberries, so we haven't had problems sticking with thie diet. I will have my cholesterol checked again after another month but sure don't plan to abandon this diet if things continue as they are now.
(Mt Vernon, Wa)
DO NOT Use just any oatmeal.....use ORGANIC ONLY!!!! all Wheat, Soy and I suspect other grains are soaked with pesticides!!!! Use Raw Honey as your sweetener and I like to use Organic Raisins too. You can get the organic oatmeal at any heath food store in Bulk.
Orange Juice (or Vitamin C)
I had an ablation for A Fib in 2005 and for the most part things went well. However, I will have an event 3 or 4 times a year. I discovered a few years ago the Texas Heart Institute gave patients orange juice before and after heart surgery to keep them from going into A Fib. A couple of years ago I had an episode and after 8 hours I remembered the orange juice.
I drank 16 ounces of orange juice and 3 hours later my heart rate had gone from 160 to 75 beats per minute. I usually have 3 or 4 events per year and as soon as it starts I grab the orange juice. I have successfully taken care of every event, since then, in 2 to 3 hours without going to the ER.
Orange juice does the trick for me. I have read where people drink 8 ounces every day and their A Fib pretty much goes away. It is well worth a try and a whole lot less than going to the ER.
See article. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1995055/
ORH here,,,,,,,,,, life is still interesting as my AFIB is roaring since the Doc had to abort my ablation due to a kink in my Venus vein. His Rx are worse than death so I stopped all but the blood thinner. At 83, I have lived a full life. The only reason I want to keep on keeping on is to tell folks my stories. I have shot a bull in the ass in my life and have many stories to tell. Folks that just do hand games , have no stories to tell. I ask the Lord to give me wisdom to solve my own problems. I think he wants me to ask some of you that have been down this trail. I am doing all that I have read to do, but nothing is helping. Would appreciate what any have done to keep their heart from going crazy. I do Mg, ACV, Iodine , Cayenne, CoQ10, Hawthorne, Taurine, and CBD. I stay on my PEMF mat, nebulize Glutathione, spray 1/2 % H202 into my nostrils day and night. Lots more. Half smart, so don't need advice from a novice. Need an A Team member to step up and suggest a path. Thank you. ORH
I no longer have a desktop I can type on easier so this repy is not easy. Hubs diagnosed with leukemia two years ago. I looked up all ingredients of drugs he was put on, side effects and compatibility. He was on all kinds of drugs that have side effects that include high blood pressure. He was then put on drugs for high blood pressure and told he may have to have open heart surgery. The drugs for HBP were two strengths of carvedilol that he couldn't continue to take because they made him feel so bad. Without wordy detail, marjoram contains carvacrol that is supposed to do the same thing as carvedilol just not as fast and doesn't include other fillers. Personally I feel, and it has been my experience that the binders, fillers and capsules cause more problems. I hope this will help. I just started using it. I am going to try to spin it into a powder.
Marjoram contains carvacrol that is supposed to do the same thing for the heart as carvedilol but without the fillers.
ORH! Good to hear from you! No, I know nothing about AFIB, but it does my ol' heart good to hear from you.
Dear ORH Now that I finally got something posted on here I'll add what the article said about marjoram. I copied it but didn't include the reference. I am looking... "Marjoram helps to widen and relax blood vessels easing the flow of blood which takes strain off the heart and reduces BP." I would suggest you Google compatibility with other meds you are taking. KT
Hi ORH... I'm sorry to hear that you are having problems with Afib. I only have two suggestions for you. First you should start taking a herb called Arjuna terminalia. In Ayurvedic medicine, this herb is a much revered herb for the heart. This herb resolves a multitude of heart problems including Afib. And when I say it's revered -- it's been a mainstay treatment for multifarious heart problems in Ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years. That means that Arjuna works. Arjuna is a well known cardioprotective and cardiotonic. Arjuna acts to strengthen the heart, corrects heart rhythms, stops hardening of the arteries, cures angina, cures edema and also has anti-inflammatory action. Dosage is 500mg per day to a max dose of 1500mg per day (in 3 split dosages). Arjuna has no known or observable side-effects. It's very safe. https://www.ayurtimes.com/terminalia-arjuna-arjun-tree/ Secondly you should seriously consider taking curcumin or tumeric powder as a heart protective. There has been much research on the beneficial activities of tumeric for the heart and I haven't got room to discuss all it's other many benefits here. I'm currently regularly taking organic tumeric in yellow powder form as a heart protective, anti-microbial, anti-cancer, brain protective(anti-dementia), hepatoprotective and anti-fungal because you will get the benefit of the oil soluble curcumin plus the benefit of all the other water soluble constituents of tumeric powder as well. Here's some of the research on tumeric/curcumin: https://www.turmericforhealth.com/turmeric-benefits/how-turmeric-benefits-your-heart I just take my tumeric dose with my coffee and here's how I prepare it. I add a teaspoon of organic tumeric powder to the coffee cup. Then I add some pepper. Pepper contains piperine which will increase the absorption of tumeric into your body by a factor of about 2000 times. Then I just add some coconut oil because curcumin is oil soluble. Mix well. Then add the coffee and hot water and just sip it down. I take this once or twice a day with coffee from the bean. Also bear in mind that tumeric is a very useful anti-fungal. I mention this because fungus, as well as bacteria and viruses, can and do invade the heart muscle region to cause serious problems. I also freely admit to being somewhat paranoid about fungus -- I never want fungus dominating my body ever again. I also know that you've said in the past that you are still battling with candida problems. And, since candida can invade any organ or tissue in the body, maybe that fungus is the root cause of all your heart problems. So there's another good reason to take tumeric. Just trying to cover all the bases. All the best to you...
Hi ORH - I echo mmsg's sentiments – it's good to hear from you. I'm not an A Team member but my mother had Afib and, although her magnesium levels were fine, her potassium levels were dangerously low so she had to use potassium supplements to get it higher (her appetite had declined so diet really wasn't an option). Potassium really helped (evidently, we need 4,700 mg of potassium daily). You might find the following interesting. https://www.livingwithatrialfibrillation.com/3094/potassium-and-atrial-fibrillation/ I'm glad Bill (definitely an A Team member!) responded to you as well . . . Take care.
Mold? Were you exposed to mold? Some time ago i suffered from anxiety, racing repetative thoughts, headaches and body pain especially after eating, insomnia. I was experimenting with different treatments and took a large dose of coloidal silver (1/4 cup) and lugol's iodine (+2 droppers 2%) one night before going to bed. Everything stopped and i felt very much at peace. I fell asleep and woke up the next morning feeling great. It comes back now and then. I think it may be related to drinking and bathing in contaminated water. Other things that help are fresh turmeric and ginger smoothies and raw garlic, castor oil taken internally.
(TEN MILE , TN.)
Bill,,,,,,,,,, just want to thank you for your response. You have helped me numerous times over the years. I did appreciate the cheers from all the old folks that have been with us over the years. I have concocted a daylight and dark tonic that I take and it is keeping my heart from going totally crazy. The nice lady that called from Denver said that her husband was in AFIB for 16 years and Turpentine got him out of that trauma. I have used turpentine for candida and at your suggestion for my infected tooth and that worked. I am waiting on the good stuff from South GA. I follow some bright folks about this virus thing and we will hunker down at the end of this week. We have prepared to isolate ourselves for two months. We live where Columbus was headed in 1492 and that was the end of the world. Ten Mile, Tn is pretty dang close. Thanks for being my buddy. ====ORH====
Hi orh! It's Patti from Pa. Spoke to us over few yrs about the afib treatments. We are all still hanging in there & that's a good thing! Nice to know! Some things work better than others, I'm sure you'll agree! That's what I've found! And Taurine & Larginine& Hawthorn have been my mainstay! Hope it helps!
(TEN MILE, TN.)
ORH here, self isolating and hunkering to avoid this virus stuff. Anyways, I's been reading and learned that you can make apple cider vinegar from apple scraps. As all know we have an apple orchard and make many gallons of apple juice each year, and throw our scraps in the woods for critters to eat. We have always bought Braggs over the years and all this time I could have been making it myself. It has an almost unlimited self life and thus , I have a new project. The Lord said he would provide and he does…. if we would just listen. Had several slices of the pork belly for breakfast that I cured a few weeks ago. Pretty good and reminded me of my youth when almost all bacon was salt cured . I fried it in the leaf lard that I had recently rendered. Doing lots of things that Bill and the fine lady from Denver told me to do about my AFIB situation. It ain't right, but I's still above ground. Got a struggling couple that want to help us garden on shares, otherwise, think gardening would be a thing of the past for us. I truly think something good will come out of this pandemic. This one world stuff is not working. Life is best when it is a family and community thing. ====ORH====
Hi ORH, I'm in Culleoka, TN. I was looking on the web for causes of AFIB for my husband and found that vinegar can be the cause. This seems to be one of the causes because we had cucumber slices in rice wine vinegar last night and he is still having issues today. Also in the article above they mention the apple cider vinegar as a possible cause.
(TEN MILE , TN.)
ORH here, guess you are Mrs Brian K, huh? Anyways, looked your town up and you 5 X biggern Ten Mile and over in whiskey country. I think you need to research some more because I don't buy into your vinegar theory. AFIB is an electrical thing and that can have lots of sources, including parasites in your heart. You country and know that dogs have heart worms that can be caused by mosquitoes. Ms Brian......... life is very interesting. I am excited that in a year and a half I will be 85 and smart as all get out. Missed out at 65 and 75, but think 85 is the magic number. Glory. ====ORH====
Soak your feet in a basin with warm water and Epsom Salts for 20 minutes every other day. I have suffered for years and just recently started this and even though I am 75 I mowed the lawn yesterday with no problems. Epsom Salts contain magnesium and the body soaks up what it needs. Also, a friend ended up in hospital recently with a racing heart and after they tried every thing they could think of, they put magnesium in the drip and it stopped immediately. Look up Dr Caroline Dean you will learn more about magnesium and see what she has to say about the benefits of magnesium.
(Crescent City, CA)
I take 500mg 2 x per day and have for the last 2 years, but recently developed A-fib. I don't know about magnesium being a fix. Just my experience here. I do have a pacemaker for a 3rd Degree AV Node block (again, the electrical part of my heart) that has worked perfectly (makes me forget I have an issue at all since 1997) but still developed A-fib. I'm here searching for answers.
Thank you for yours but I realize one size doesn't fit all.
ADDRESSING AFIB AND HEART FLUTTER PROBLEM. HI U OLE PATOOTS............. Tested by a wellness group and get a read out if they think they can address this problem by aligning my neck and back to get good nerve communication from my brain to my heart. The Rx I take are working, but you have no quality of life, you just don't die. The MD told me that. I see the Cardiologist in two weeks to ascertain a plan. My ablation attempt was aborted because they could not get to my heart with the electrode because of a kink in my venous vein. Skeleton shrinks but your arteries and veins don't, they just kink like a water hose. Think that's my problem. My doctor has taken an interest in me for some reason, and I will defer to his judgement about another ablation attempt. That does not mean that I don't keep trying to find a solution. The wellness group say toxins can cause my problem, especially H Pylori. I will get that test, but I have already started drinking ozonated water that I make myself. Got a neighbor who gets my ATS e-mails and now has a tooth infection and wants to know where to get the turpentine to treat the problem. Bill of the Philippines was the guy who put me on to this. He saved me about $4000. Just wished the world wanted to help their neighbor like the folks on EC do. All know my goal is to aggravate EC folks until I's 92. Don't know if this group can stand 9 more years of my stuff. ====ORH====
(TEN MILE, TN)
GUESS I GOT WORMS,,,,,,,,,,,, HI U OLE PATOOTS DOIN, Still seeking a solution for my heart problem. Allowed Wellness group to run a test and they found that I had heart parasites and a tape worm. We'll see. Taking their homeopathic drops this weekend and get retested Monday. Follower of Hulda Clark and she was the first to know that all critters have a wave frequency they put out. Dr Royal Rife also knew this and he developed a device to put out the same frequency and kill the buggers. The Med field ruined him before he ruined them. Few can challenge the heresy of the medical field , least they be ruined. My wellness group want to know my Rife Machine Model because they think I can use it for my problem. I have no clue and just telling one of my usual true stories. Still go to my cardiologist next Friday. I will go down any trail that gives me relief. Ole age is about as interesting as I can stand. It only seems like yesterday when I was playing on the HS Tennis team. Life is interesting. ====ORH====
Hi ORH, This subject just keeps coming up everywhere I look. Parasites and cancer. Now parasites and heart disease. I am beginning to wonder how much damage these can cause. Any way, I don't know if you read the recent posts on fenbendazole (aka panacur c, a dog dewormer)? It also came up on the LDN site, so I started to pay attention. Here is the link to one man's story and follow-up with others: https://www.mycancerstory.rocks/single-post/2016/08/22/Shake-up-your-life-how-to-change-your-own-perspective A doctor at Arthur Anderson told him they had done research on this drug in the 90's on cancer and parasites, and a drug had been created as a result that was pulled because there was no money in it. Interesting, for sure. I think you are on to something very significant here, not only for your heart but the cancer that shows up from time to time on your testing. Please keep us posted. You may be killing more than one bird with this stone! Since it is believed that all autoimmune diseases begin in the gut, I am going to try this, too, and see if I can finally shake off what ails me but seems elusive to remedy. Best of luck to you, as always.
(TEN MILE , TN.)
HI U RSW,,,,,,,,,, we have corresponded over the years and I appreciate your post. You know that my idol, Hulda Clarke, always said that all disease is because of parasites. MD Anderson is not a favorite place of mine. Had lots of kin and friends go there and they were not helped at all. All died. I research and this new bunch has my interest. They think my heart problem is either due to my skeleton alignment or a toxin. I think they are right. Something is messin up my brain to heart talk. EDTA Chelation was supposed to be my savior. I had no clue about this electrical communication thing. I will reread your URL and maybe start eating dog stuff. I know that I have had low grade cancer several times and handled that naturally. Few people will do that. I have a 71 year old buddy that was drenched daily with Round up in Vietnam. He is now a sick, sick fellow and knows what's ahead and he's gone from the class cut up to a very bitter person. The VA has it down pat. Eventually your whole body goes to pot. He knows his future health. Again, thank you for being my friend. Just hope folks are entertained with my true stories. ====ORH====
HI U OLE PATOOTS,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just did the camera thing down my throat to see if my AFIB has any stray blood clots to break loose when my Dr does the Ablation next Thursday. None, but I do have genital fat in my heart from birth. They can work around that. What I have learned and will pass on to you for consumption because that AFIB, nor Atrial flutter will not kill you if you keep your blood thin. But, no matter..... you will feel like crap for hence on regardless if the Rx keeps you regulated.. I can't stand that and will take the plunge. Sometimes you have to rely on a good and thoughtful doctor to get through life's struggles. The deal comes off next Thursday, so if I post next week, then I will be full of piss and vinegar and ready to shoot a bear in the ass. I do want to apologize to Mary. I know I got her post all wrong. If you noticed ........ she could have eaten me alive, but she did not. She is a gentle lady. I feel bad about my comments. OH Well, most of you know I shoot form the hip and miss most of the time. ====ORH==== .
Hi ORH, Just wanted to wish you the best on your ablation next Thursday. I will put you on the prayer list at my church and Bible Study. Please try and post at the end of the week so we know you are OK. I hope you feel a lot better after the procedure. I have enjoyed your posts on Earth Clinic for many years, and have learned a lot from you. You are a straight shooter, and that's one of the things I like best about your posts! Take care and may God bless you and your tractor driver.
(TEN MILE, TN)
RSW, NONNIE,,,,,,,,,,,,,, are you kidding me? Was at the farm this morning gathering fire wood when my Tractor Driver shows up and tells me that my Cardiologist folks want to see me today at 3pm. She then picked him a gallon of purple muscadines that are big as jaw breakers. I 'bout in nervous city with all these fun and games. Get there and they tell me that my last test shows that my heart has weaken. They take my oxygen and require me to walk briskly down the hall and back. My oxygen was still good So they tell me to do that again. My oxygen was still good so they said the game is on. We gave them the muscadines and they were grinning from ear to ear. Who said country folks can't get along with city slickers. They knew the sweat it took to grow them. ====ORH====
(Pueblo of Acoma, NM)
Greetings, ORH. So sorry to hear about the latest development regarding the heart parasites. VRM2 is another option I would highly recommend considering since it is actually for humans, but has been used successfully to treat dogs with heart worms. I cured my old boy, Buddy, using it and he had a severe case. It is available from North Star Chiropractic and is very reasonable. Sending healing blessings your way - always enjoy your posts - good information and a delightful manner of speaking. Keep us posted! Flower's Mom
CT SCAN........... this test I took today should shed some light on how much calcium I have deposited in my heart. After all my EDTA Chelation IV's for the last 13 years and my doing the KONCENTRATED K protocol for the last 6 months, I will be disappointed if I am not in pretty good shape......pluggage wise. I found a site that explains the roll of two nerves that control your heart rhythm. This Chiropractor has solved AFIB patients problems by addressing these two nerves. I have been to many Chiropractors and most don't know squat, but none are on this guy's level. He says it sometimes takes 6 to 9 months and he's in Calif and I'm in Tn. Also, I'm on the shady side of the mountain and the sun is setting. My Ga Ozone MD was the one who told me about Vit K -2 and the protocol. He says it will shut down the by-pass business. Addressing these two nerves may shutdown the Ablation business. Both by-pass and ablation just treat the symptom and not the problem. Could not have gotten into flaxseed go-round because I just use it to clean out my gut plaque and it works for that. Forgot, also have done Serapeptase for the last year and will be a point for Paul. I'm the shotgun guy, if any have forgotten. I'm still alive and don't have a clue as to why. ====ORH====
(TEN MILE, TN.)
HI U OLD PATOOTS DOIN,,,,,,,,,,,,,, after my CT Scan both my ankles turned red and itched. On research I found that folks with blood cancer have this reaction. I was concerned and I called my Dr's office and was told to stop going on the internet. I think something is wrong because I have had blood cancer in the past and treated it my self. Oh well, I'm ahead of the stats so I should just be thankful. Tn is now spraying the roadside instead of mowing. The sprayed us last month and now my roadside muscadine vines are dying. Wrote our road guy and told him that I will cause him grief.......... and I will. Worked for 25 years to get this orchard and am going to raise holy hell. This is crazy stuff. We are killing ourselves. I do all this garden stuff to avoid Round up and the gov. ruins my garden with what I'm trying to avoid. This is about money. I promise you that our national gov is involved. Some lobbyist hooked a rider on an essential bill that will require the states to use round up instead of mowing. I plan to raise holy hell. ====ORH====
Keep fighting the good fight, ORH! It's a lonely battle. I agree it's very difficult taking care of our own health when various agencies (around the world) make decisions for us - whether it's sanctified destruction (Roundup spraying), enforced vaccinations, technology that hasn't been tested properly (5G effects on humans, insects, bees, etc.) - it seems we've become guinea pigs despite our best efforts. Your gumption is admirable - I wish you the best of luck!