Just like thousands of other's I had 3 fillings fallout which I attribute to drinking "Mountain Dew" which at the time I had no idea it cause's teeth to lose emanel and even split or break off.!
and now just like others I have no insurance to pay the exorbitant fee's of dentist's and I knew,and felt the pain and abcess had to go ! "But how"??
Well, for the past 3 months I've had "no pain" and I filled the lost fillings with "no pain"! For the fast relief of the pain and to stop the abcess that I had I took the cotton off of a cotton swab and soaked it in 3% Hydrogen Peroxide, and put it in the cavity where the pain and abcess was,until all the pain was gone,which wasn't very long !After that,every time I shave or use bathroom I swish a small amount of HP around in my mouth(this kill's all the germs and bacteria in your mouth) "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOST FILLING'S?"
I tried some "DEN TEMP" and all it did is fall out after the first meal I had! But I got a small bottle of
gorilla glue AND put about 6-8 drops on a plastic surface, let it set until it started to harden and took a tooth pick and put some of it on the end of the tooth pick, then applied it into the cavities until each was filled,(I also found the cavity doesn't need to be dry!)it sticks just fine and I eat with the GG in and I still swish the Hydrogen Peroxide and My abcess has stopped and "I'm in "NO PAIN AT ALL"!
I fully realize I'll need treatment at some future point when I can afford it. "BUT FOR NOW I'M HOLDING MY OWN!"
Saint John, Nb
Hello everybody, I am looking for a jawbone infection remedy, the dentist recommended to pull everything out, any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Hello, Anyone have Cavitation surgery and know of less invasive ways to get rid of a cavitation. Really nervous to do this but have TMJ and the biological dentist found a cavitation and seems so invasive and makes me sooo anxious. I don't know if I can do it. Any alternative treatments?
For Gum Disease = 1x Multivitamin each day
Tooth Abscess = 1/2 tsp crushed Magnesium Chloride in a Glass of Water 2-3 times a day
With both of these remedies you will notice results within a few hours. Pain, tenderness and swelling will gradually reduce until it is complete gone in a 2-3 days. If you have some Magnesium Chloride just before bed, you should notice your abscess has greatly improved by the morning (instead of worse as usually happens). But as the day progresses you will notice it start to become tender again. I believe the reason this happens is because your magnesium levels are still very low and you need to take some more in the morning, and again at lunch time if you feel it necessary, to get your levels up to a satisfactory level.
I am convinced by my own experimentation that both of these conditions are the result of a nutritional deficiency. One being Magnesium deficiency and the other being a deficiency of some or several nutrients in a Multivitamin. I'm yet to nail down exactly which nutrient/s cause gum disease but I know that it's not Vitamin C (well not solely) because I have tried High dose Vitamin C and it didn't work.
My gum disease was confirmed by an xray when I went to the dentist with a suspected tooth abscess. The infection was between the roots in the gum and had not yet reached the tooth. When I asked my dentist how one gets gum disease he said that it can occur when you are run down and your immunity is low; maybe after a hard weekend (wink, wink). As soon as he said low immunity a light bulb when off in my head, 'DEFICIENCY!!! ' My dentist prescribed antibiotics, but I went home and started taking a multivitamin each day. And sure enough it got better! Due to being inconsitent with most things in life, my gum disease has often returned in the past year and I have successfully treated it each time with a Multivitamin a day.
My tooth abscess on the opposite side of my mouth, was not confirmed by xray but the reason I am certain it was an abscess is because the Multivitamin didn't work at all and the tooth had partially broken away. After much research and experimentation I healed the abscess and gum with Magnesium Chloride. I am now seeking to try and remineralize my broken tooth (something I've heard many rumours about) by taking the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E and K as per Weston A. Prices claims. At the moment I'm taking Cod Liver Oil for A & D, a separate vitamin E capsule and still need to find a good source of Vitamin K. I'll keep you posted on how that goes.
Hi, I've recently begun taking Magnesium Citrate in powder form on a near daily basis along with blackstrap molasses. I'd had a very painful toothache for several weeks (in addition to or resulting in an earache..) and without dental insurance I really can't afford a dentist. After about 3-4 days of taking a teaspoon of magnesium the pain was completely gone! I also no longer have any sensitivity from sweet or very hot/cold foods and beverages. I've made this remedy part of my daily routine and hope to discover more health benefits of this great mineral.
This brings me to something I hoped perhaps Ted or another reader may shed some light on; I came across something called Transdermal Magnesium Therapy which allows the body to absorb magnesium through the skin, and it's supposedly superior to oral supplementation. Several articles mention that magnesium chloride is the preferred form, although they don't describe the application method. They only refer to Magnesium Oil which is a little pricey. Is there a homemade version of this therapy? I appreciate your help, thanks in advance!
At one night, I noticed a swelling on my gums above one tooth with a huge amount of composite filling. I went to the pharmacy first to get some Corsodyl (both the mouth water and the gel). Also I used salt-water for rinsing. The swelling subsided a bit. then a few days later I went to the dentist, who said that the root was infected and that I needed root canal treatment.
I had some distrust to this diagnosis, as I did not have any pain (pain typically precedes the swelling in periapical abscess). he had taken x-rays, but he was not very clear why that indicated an infection of the root.
I learned though that in some cases there may not be any pain with a periapical abscess. On the other hand, I found that some infections may seem like they are at the root but are in fact not and are just periodontal. Anyway the pain was non-existent, and the swelling was small. So I thought it was a bit early to say that horrible treatment (both in terms of the poisining as well as the amount of money) is the only thing you could do for a tooth. And if I failed to cure it myself, there was time enough left before things would get wrong severely.
So I start looking for some of the natural treatments online. The first thing I found was neem powder which has strong antiseptic effect. Then I found this great website earthclinic, where there were many things you could do for an abscess: garlic, oil pulling, echinacea, etc.
-oil pulling as I woke up and at other times when I had a near empty stomach. olive oil worked best for me. coconut oil is simply too delicious.
-rinsing with salt water after meals
-taking a clove of garlic, then biting it in smaller pieces. If burn, then swallow some or add some water. most of the pieces however parked right next to the abscess.
-putting a wet teabag on the abscess after the rinsing
-drinking tea with neem powder and echinacea powder a few times a day. maybe a third of a small spoon of each added to grean tea or water.
-I stopped eating bread which sticks to the teeth and whose carbohydrates seem to be ideal for feeding bacteria.
-in a few days, the puss became visible, so I started some draining procedure.
Draining procedure: sterilize needle by boiling it in water; poke a hole at the site where the puss is visible; then use paper tissues to push the puss out.
-when it was draining, at some point I decided to give the alternative (no fluoride) toothpaste a go, and to stop the fluoride toothpaste. While the abscess was very miniscule at this point, it is noteworthy that the day after the abscess was gone. The toothpaste I used was using water, coconut oil, neem powder and echinacea powder. I now use this and sometimes add some salts (e.g. sodium+potassium) in there.
-After using the regimen, it only took me 3-4 days and the abscess was entirely gone.
Now that the abscess is gone, it is worthwhile to think that there may still be a small infection inside that may come back to form an abscess at some time. So I plan to maintain a oral health regime like this, though perhaps with a bit lower frequency.
-I will report back if the abscess reappears so to inform the community.
I came across Earthclinic.com in my search for a natural remedy for a tooth problem. The situation: I had gotten a gold crown installed on my right rear molar and within a few months it fell out. I went back and had it reinstalled. I thought the area should have been a little more cleansed out before putting it back on and I didn't think much about it until the tooth started to ache. It had been getting worse over a few month period and when I went in for my teeth cleaning I had x-rays to see what was going on. The x-rays revealed an abscess that was directly under the tooth, under the crown. They said it would need surgery to fix. I asked what they would do. They said they would drill through the crown into the abscess, etc. etc. Ok, I figured it was due to the lack of proper sanitization as to why it was abscess in the first place, so now they want to drill through the crown and do who knows what. I don't think so! I was determined to find a holistic natural remedy which search landed me on the earth clinic website. I spent time reading about all the different natural remedies and things different folks had success with. I was determined to get this healed on my own naturally without getting jacked up by the dentist again, so I decided to take a multi pronged approach and combine many of the methods I had read about; a full frontal assault on the infection! In the end, my tooth abscess healed itself. My next cleaning, and x-ray was taken and much to their surprise the abscess was gone and my suspicion that it was completely healed was confirmed!
What I did:
- I sliced a raw clove of garlic thin and put it right along side the tooth where the puss pocket was showing up and left it on all night. I did this every night for about a week. I let the one sliced side of the garlic against the infected area and the outer thin layers facing out against my cheek so it would not burn the inside of my cheek. It stings pretty good, but you just have to do it. It settles down after a short time of 10-15 min.
- Swallow 3 table spoons 3x per day of Braggs apple cider vinegar by mouth internally as well as using the ACV as a mouth rinse up to 6 x per day.
-Also during this time, I was using The Braggs "Miracle of Fasting" book and fasting one day per week. This helps to cleanse the body and direct the bodies energies towards the healing task at hand instead of digestion, etc.
- After the first week of using Garlic at night, I mixed olive oil with bentonite clay to make a piece of clay, wrapped a thin slice of garlic in the clay and put that on the tooth area all night. Usually I would wake at about 3 needing to spit it all out, then would do a quick rinse with ACV, then go back to bed.
- I also would make clay out of activated charcoal, mixing with olive oil, and alternate this with the bentonite clay. This is bit more messy, but helps to pull the infection out.
- I stated taking the Alpha Lipoic acid 600 MG 3x per day, then for a straight day I did one capsule every hour on the hour to overwhelm the infection with fighters.
- Along with all of the above, I was doing the "oil pulling" 3 x per day for 15- 20 minutes each time. I alternated between raw organic coconut oil and sesame oil.
-I also rinsed as often as seemed appropriate with activated mms. This is a powerful anti-bacterial, viral and fungal killer. Do research on this before trying it. Search "Jim Humble" to find out more on this awesome solution.
- As I felt I was making progress against the infection, I stepped up and started taking a tablespoon of organic cayenne pepper and a tablespoon of organic turmeric into about 12 oz of pure water, mixed well and swallowed. Creates a little sweat on the brow, but I think it to be a potent tonic.
-Along with all the good stuff, I refused to put anything into my body that could be counter productive. Sugar, flour, including ice-cream, breads, pastas etc. I just stuck with a Mediterranean type diet.
- I noticed that as soon as I started making headway, I would get a little lazy and the infection would start to get worse again, so once you feel you are making headway, put the petal to the metal and be even more aggressive so that the infection cannot regroup. Stay on the offensive. Don't let up.
It would have cost me probably $1500 or more (with insurance coverage) to go to the dentist for this, but all in all over the 6 month period I spent about $150 or less on everything and the infection is completely gone. Now is the time to make some lifestyle changes and stay in the habit of some of this stuff for good preventative maintenance!
I learned a lot through the process and could not be more thrilled at the outcome. Yes it takes effort, dedication and consistency, but between the God-given gifts in natures cupboard and the unrelenting and amazing healing systems in our own miracle machine bodies, it can be done the natural way. The body has an innate program to heal itself. It just needs the right tools and environment to do the work.
When you cut your hand, it bleeds, then the blood coagulates and pretty soon a scab is formed. Soon the scab falls off and...it's a miracle! ... the wound is completely healed! It is true on the inside of our bodies as well. Our bodies want to heal and if we cooperate with its own systems and desire and bent, some may call the outcome a miracle, but it is normal, our amazing, miraculous, living, healing, organic and complex healing body machines!
Thanks for the posts of prior people, I was able to customize a regimen that worked for me. Listen to your body. Each cell has intelligence and it is always speaking. We just need to listen and cooperate.
Farewell and be well!
Ten Mile , Tn
2 1/2 weeks ago, after I used a floss stick, the next morning I had excruciating pain like I've never had before on the bottom left side tooth next to wisdom tooth. Suffered for 4 days even with using apple cider vinegar with mother. It didn't work. Then my jawline started to hurt. I rubbed Benadryl extra strength on it and it helped for a few hours. Then my ear started hurting. I went on Earth Clinic and read about oil of oregano. It helped almost immediately and for a couple of days I applied directly to the tooth, the pain which is actually between the tooth and another one, the gums (both sides) with a q-tip and cotton ball along my jawline from the left side of my chin up to my temple and behind my wary.
Everything was going great until yesterday after I used my Power Floss where it felt like is might of hit something with the warm water. Then pain set in again. Oil of Oregano drops weren't working anymore. Garlic didn't work. Last night I did my coconut oil pulling for 20 minutes. Followed by light brushing with coconut oil and baking soda. Then I packed fresh coconut oil with baking soda all sound the area and on the tooth for 10 minutes. Rinsed. 30 minutes later they pain came back and I just went full on hydrogen peroxide 3% capful and let it sit in the area for 10 minutes. It definitely was drawing the infection out but the annoying pain was still there. I saw my gums had a nice sized pure white streak midway between the teeth and the base of the gums.
I caved and took a Rite Aid migraine tablet which I believe helped since I was able to sleep with no issues an woke up okay. 2 hours later, pain was back. I did it all over again without the migraine tablet and instead packed it with a crushed garlic close mixed into a paste with equal parts turmeric, black pepper and table salt. Oh the burn! My eyes were tearing. Worked to take my mind off the pain but that was all it did. I waited an hour and did another hydrogen peroxide capful left in my mouth on the side where it hurts.
Folks, I'm flying overseas on Tuesday on my birthday trip that I've been planning since February and is the first real vacation (sightseeing) I've done in 25 years. I can't not go! But I also can't suffer on the plane either. The dentist can't see me for another week, of which I will be overseas. What else can I do? Thanks for reading and your suggestions. I appreciate it!
Ft. Worth, Texas
Ft. Worth, Texas
Fountain Inn, Sc
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Cortlandt Manor, Ny
Here's what works for me for minor gum abscesses:
Hydrogen peroxide rinse. Three parts water to one part HP. Don't make it too strong. If it stings, it's too strong. Swish it in your mouth until it becomes foamy, then spit it out. Do this once a day only.
Organic virgin coconut oil rinse. Twice a day for 30 minutes each. (morning, then once before bedtime)
Tumeric tea: one tbs of turmeric in a cup warm water. Rinse until finished.
An abscess is like any other blister or boil, it fills with pus which causes pain. Heat treatment works on exterior abscesses and I thought it would work on gums as well.
I discovered while eating soup, that by leaving the warm soup in my mouth and pushing soft vegetables against the abscess, that it took the sting out of it and, by the next day, it was smaller.
Clove oil is good for deadening the pain. Mix it with a little carrier oil (like olive oil) on a cotton ball and apply. CO takes the pain away, but it doesn't help shrink the abscess.
The main thing is to keep the area as clean as possible and do the treatments every day. I took about a week for mine to completely disappear.
If the pain becomes worse, spreads to sinuses, or causes a fever it may be an infection and you should see a dentist or doctor immediately.
I don't know what to do about my mouth issues. I have a cavity in my molar and the corner of my tooth broke off, exposing the gum below it. I started oil pulling. It was okay for a few days and then my mouth around that area started to ache. I put clove oil on it and it helped the pain almost immediately. Then my gums around the tooth started swelling and I now have a few pockets of puss. I've tried garlic, tea tree oil, clove oil, oil pulling, bentonite clay, hydrogen peroxide and it doesn't seem to be healing. I don't know how serious this is. I also don't know if it takes time to get rid of the infection or if I'm not being aggressive enough. I really don't feel like chewing another clove of garlic, it burns!
I came on here recently in search of a way to naturally treat my tooth abscess and I am happy to say it worked!
I have a terrifying fear of the dentist, based on a history of tooth problems that started when I was a toddler. I was literally dragged into the dental chair by the assistant, slapped across the face by the dentist, then filled with silver fillings where I didn't need them. It went downhill from there over the years, so I try to avoid them, their massive expense, their fluoride and other poisons.
The abscess appeared in the back of my mouth, where I have a broken molar....thank-you sadistic silver filling dentist. The pain was excruciating!
This is the list of what I did for a week and so far, so good:
warm salt water rinses, wet tea bag over abscess, clove and/or peppermint oil on a cotton ball, brushing gently with baking soda (I don't use commercial toothpaste anyway), coconut oil pulling and a concoction I found somewhere on the net that I tweaked a bit....
the contents of 3 capsules of activated charcoal, 1 capsule of echinacea, a couple of dashes of cayenne pepper, a few drops each of peppermint & clove oils and some coconut oil.....mix it into a paste of sorts. I didn't measure, but eye-balled it until the consistency seemed right. You may want to use gloves because this is messy stuff. I placed it onto the abscess a couple of times per day. Coconut oil turns into liquid when it is warm, so I put a cotton ball in there to help keep it all in place.
Using a mix of these remedies...and a bit of ibuprofen...the swelling went down and the pain disappeared. I am still rinsing with warm salt water, oil pulling and placing a cotton ball with clove/peppermint oil on it once a day to make sure the infection is well and truly gone.
My abscess didn't exactly pop in the manner that many on here have described, but I did get some puss and blood at times as the swelling went down. It was a slower process, rather than the dramatic dam bursting I was expecting, but it worked. There is no pain, swelling or even much sensitivity there now.
I wish everyone luck in their quest to alleviate this pain as naturally as possible.
Love & Light :-)
Had toothache of terrible intensity a couple of weeks ago. I bit hard on some food at our local farmer's market. My third molar, which has been sensitive for several years due to harsh scratching of the enamel near my gumline by an overzealous (and possibly blind) dentist, just got twisted in a funny way, and a bolt of pain shot through my top and lower jaw.
I ignored it, thinking it would go away. Two days later, it had built up into a throbbing flame on the left side of my face. After one bad experience with a dentist, I did not want to risk it again. Also, I did not want to eat antibiotics, expose myself to xrays, do toxic fillings or root canals.
So I tried the whole combination of remedies listed at earthclinic, starting with raw garlic. Oy! The Allicin bowled me over with its own heat, but the throbbing went away soon as I chomped on the garlic. I reeked of garlic at work, but the effect on the pain was amazing. When I was not chewing garlic, I had cloves clutched between my teeth. Three times a day, I swished concentrated salt water around my mouth, drank my morning tea with a teaspoon of turmeric and raw cream; drank warm milk at night with another large spoonful of turmeric, ate two table spoons of cold pressed flax seed oil daily after I swished it around my hurting tooth. From time to time, I also did some Ayurvedic style oil pulling with either coconut oil or flaxseed oil (the flax seed oil seems to work better). I commenced eating 1. 5 tsp of fermented cod liver oil twice daily. In addition, I was gently brushing my teeth with baking soda and/or coconut oil, drinking nourishing broths, resting the inflamed, side (from chewing), sleeping a good 8-9 hours nightly and sitting out in the warm sun when I could.
By the end of day 7 my pain was gone, the infection was gone. I will continue turmeric in warm raw milk for a week. I will continue to give my tooth 'chewing rest' for another week. My face is not hurting, my gums feel better, and my complexion has become remarkably smooth.
I will now make an active attempt to remineralize my scraped enamel and take better care of my gums.
I wanted to thank you all for generously donating your cures here at Earthclinic. Dr. Hal Huggins by the way is a remarkable doctor. I recommend all his books, podcasts and articles.
San Francisco, Ca, Usa
This along w/ Baking Soda and Salt helped. Here is what happened
Tuesday-Friday - Sinus infection, near the end of it on Friday, an abscess tooth popped up, pain started Friday night. Took 2 x 200mg Ibuprofen for pain before bed.
Saturday - Intense pain, gums above tooth hurt to the touch. Minor inflammation, took 2 x 200mg Iburprofen, once at noon, another at 10p. M. Swelling increased before bed.
Sunday - Abscess bubble formed above tooth, intense pain, 2 x 200mg Ibuprofen for pain, once at noon, once before bed. Inflamation increased, spread to side of mouth, under nose and slightly under eye.
Monday - Intense pain again, 2 x 200mg Ibuprofen twice at same times for pain. I read about the garlic treatment and attempted to do it. Held 1/4" piece between gum and cheek. 5 minutes of intense pain, then subsided, held for 30 minutes in total. Felt no more pain in tooth. Abscess bubble increased, and multiple ones formed. Inflammation increased in same areas.
Tuesday - No Ibuprofen today. Did the garlic again for 30 minutes on my drive to work. Again, no pain in my tooth, but pain at bubbles and felt like inflammation was getting worse. Entire left fact hurt to the touch. Attempted to pop bubbles w/ a needle but nothing came out, became scared and almost went to emergency room for penicilin. Heard about a solution to pop abscess. It was taking a cotton ball, putting equal parts of Baking Soda & Sea Salt on bubbles (not on teeth though). First application at 7 p. m. for 20 minutes. Gums had turned white, and pain had increased in area. 2nd application of same at 8 until 10:30. Gums so swollen, it hurt to shove the cotton ball inbetween my cheek and gum. Woke up at 3:30 in the morning, 3 abscess bubbles had all popped, and started draining into my mouth (gross). Instantly rinsed mouth out w/ Sea Salt and Hot Water. Drained bubbles best I could for 10 minutes. Went to sleep.
Wednesday. Woke up at 7. Both abscess bubbles were completely gone (not to mention a bitter taste of poison in my mouth) Rinsed again w/ salt water. Inflammation almost gone (from my left side being so swollen, I could see it from my eye) These two things did wonders for everything and I highly recommend it.
Not saying some should not seek medical attention (I was close to going to the emergency room) But spending $600 to be told what is wrong, as oppose to $20 to solve everything (naturally I might add, minus the Ibuprofen). This is a good solution. Please spread this to anybody suffering from an abscess tooth.
Last night, I couldn't sleep due to an adverse reaction to a root canal I had already been to the dentist 4 times for the same tooth. There was an infection in the root. When he opened up my tooth to perform the root canal the infection spread up through my gums into my cheek right near my eye. The pain was unbearable and the swelling continued to get worse and worse. I could press on my sinuses and feel it in my teeth.
The dentist prescribed me Clindamycin and Methylprednisone (Medrol). I also came down with a UTI (which makes me think that my body is obviously not balanced creating a breeding ground for bacteria). For that I'm taking Ciproflaxcin.
Last night, I used my knowledge of spices and vegetables that had antiseptic qualities and made an extremely concentrated soup of turmeric, curry, freshly cut garlic, onions, potatoes, carrots, and celery. I slow cooked with a lid on to make sure the vegetables soaked up the cartenoids and other benefits from the soup. I would then add more turmeric before eating.
I then rinsed my mouth out with a turmeric/sea salt room temperature mix. Swishing it through my teeth until the concoction became cold.
Following this I opened an activated Charcoal capsule added a tiny bit of water to some gauze and placed it in between my cheek and my teeth. I held that there for about a half and hour.
I then rinsed once more with the turmeric solution to dispell the excess charcoal.
Following this I cut a clove of garlic, slowly biting into it so that the antiseptic qualities from the juice would sanitize the wound around me teeth. I did this for about a half an hour to an hour holding the tiny pieces against my gums. Yes, it burns but the burning creates an almost soothing effect after a period of time.
After the garlic, I then rinsed my mouth out with water and then decided to try oil pulling with coconut oil. I heated up the coconut oil so that it would melt and added a few drops of oil of oregano and swished it through my teeth for a few minutes at first. The texture was horrible but I could tell a difference. I tried it a second time for longer.
This morning I woke up, hoping it would be completely gone. The pain has considerably lessened. There is still some swelling but not close to how it was yesterday. I also took minerals, oils, greens, and probiotics. I will try and update this as time progresses but I can see that I've already been through the worst of it.
I have been coming across this site about 4 weeks ago, I was searching the Internet for a natural cure for an abscessed tooth (I had my teeth cleaned 4 days prior to it, could that be the cause of the abscess?) and came across this site. I have applied raw garlic and also consumed it, used black and green tea bags with sea salt on the abscessed tooth (I contribute the abscess opening and draining to this remedy), took 2 times 2 tablespoons of Nano Silver for 10 days, 875 mg of organic Grapefruit Seed Extract 2 to 3 times a day for I don't know how long, 5000-9000 mg of Vitamin C (with added Calcium) per day, Vit. D (to improve immune system) 20,000 IU's daily for the last 15 days. Aged Garlic Caps. 3 Caps 2 to 3 times per day for the last 7 days or so, I drink at least 1 cup of green tea per day. I started oil pulling 10 days ago with 1 tablespoon of coconut oil mixed with 5 drops of oregano oil (Carvacrol content above 55%)1 to 2 times per day, 1 to 2 drops of oregano oil on gauze applied directly on tooth, I leave it on over night. About 5 days ago I also started taking alpha lipoic acid 400-500 mg per day. The result: the pain has left, the abscess has opened and drained, but the tooth is still somewhat tender and has still been filling with a little puss every day, that I have to drain. Is there anything else that can be done - besides going to the Dentist? Does anyone have a suggestion??? Feedback is appreciated, thank you!!!