Natural Approaches for Scabies: Exploring Effective Remedies

My message is I'm using a bedbug pesticide with silicone dioxide for scabies. It's a powder, I'm making it into a paste with water, rubbing it on skin. I hope it works. IS THIS HARMFUL? All it said was it would erritate skin.

Suseeq, I went on to eBay and found one brand beginning with "S" available in Australia and another wild oregano oil from the US, the latter arrived within 2 weeks. There are liquid drops available but if you use them under your tongue, you would not be happy.

HI Dana could you tell me where you purchased your oregano capsules thanks

Craig, just wondering whether you are cured of this affliction, myself recently started on the oregano oil capsules.

I started today with a spray bottle on my arms and will let you know after a few days with my results...never had this..I think it came from someone that came into my home with it... and I am so clean..grrr and I too got the Perm treatment from my doctor and still did not help or maybe its just around this person that comes and visit me I may have to let that person know YOU OUT OF HERE lol

I just wanted to comment on the Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide post. You have saved my sanity!!! I have 4 kids under 9 and we think my husband brought home scabies from work. It has been a horrible experience! Especially for our 15 month old who was struggling terribly-up hours at night screaming etc. I was desperate. After several internet search attempts I found this site. I did not want to use Ivermectin and Permethrin creams-so I tried several home remedies--lots of coconut oil (which my 15mo old reacted to so we had to switch her to grapeseed oil-worked great) We used those carrier oils for the young living's Thieves oil-which worked great for relief-but didn't cure. We also used Naturasil stuff-lavender/sulfer soap, tea tree oil soak, the sulfer lotion, and the spray to kill stuff--along with washing everything-everyday. All of those things helped-and maybe even cured my husband--but my baby girl had nests all over-and head to toe rash--she was in misery. Not until we started the hydrogen peroxide/borax soak did she truly see results--and I saw them the first day!!!!! It was amazing!!! I only used about 1/3 c borax and 1/4 c. hydrogen peroxide for her--borax is hard on skin so be careful! Will really dry out. for myself I followed the 1c borax and 1/2 c Hydrogen peroxide. We so far have done 2 nights of borax baths and this is the first day I can say she has no new spots and the old ones are fading fast. It's been 10 days of hell for us (my husband started itching 2 months ago) but the last week and a half were awful.

I also made up a spray bottle of about 20oz warm water and added 2 Tbs borax and 2Tbs hydrogen peroxide. I spray this all over my house and when I have an itch I put it on my skin and let it dry there. After that I still use the coconut oil (2Tbs melted) with 4-5drops of Thieves oil-its got clove in it--and I put that on the itchy spots as well. We also put the tea tree oil in the baths at night as well-we then air dry to let the oil and borax stay on our skin. After that I cover in the coconut oil I have found some very dry/leathery like spots on my skin after borax-but its so much better than a scabies itch-so I will lotion or oil up. We also put borax in all our laundry loads washing everything on super hot (we turned our hot water heater all the way up) and drying everything completely (and putting all pillows in the dryer daily for 20-30min)

We will continue the nightly bath ritual (which takes about 4 hours for 6 people it seems). For a few more days at least-until the baby is completely healed-and then we will probably do every 2-3 days for awhile just in case-I'm not risking re-infection--this has been a nightmare.

This was an AMAZING find!! Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide made all the difference for the cure!!!! Thank You Thank You thank you!!! Getting our lives back. :)

Your method worked out Great.. Angela from Eastpointe, MI. Thanx a lot

Hello my husband and I are suffering from Scabies and I need some help please.... What is the ratio for Epsom salt peroxide and water.. Which works or what did you alternate with? Plz help me!!! Crosbymy(at)gmail (dot) com thanks

Jane: Ted is not an amateur. He has thoroughly researched all the products he recommends and takes them himself. I took 5g a day of dmso for 90 days. David Avacado Wolfe recommends dmso. Get the 99.9% pure, although many people use the 99% brand for farm animals. 1tbsp is 15ml. 5% of 1tbsp is 750mg. Mix 25% castor oil because the dmso needs to be at a certain dilution. The dmso carries the remedies through the skin barrier so there won't be anything left on the skin to wash off. For the scalp cut the hair very short before applying. When I had scabies the Dr. gave me some medicine in a cream that cured them immediately.

To Jane from NJ,

Re Ted's formula for mite infestation and your question on Ted's use of DMSO...

I've been using DMSO longer than most any other "curative" item ...about 30 years. Just used it a day ago on Impetigo case which is children's infection by bacteria. Used Bentonite clay, DMSO, H2O2 and Colloidal Silver to form the "plaster"... Wrapped infected finger with clay mix. Let dry and washed off. Then assuming for caution sake the infection might also contain spores of fungus, also applied to dry surface, a powder form of anti fungal and held that in place with paper towel. Finally, a re application of the Clay / DMSO mix.

The point is the DMSO was used easily on child with no ill effects. Only helped. I also use DMSO on any sign of Bells Palsey, for instance....I mix DMSO fifty fifty with colloidal silver and apply on affected side with white paper towel. Only ten days ago I suddenly had a swollen forefinger on left hand. Out of the blue....couldn't figure why since I'd done no exercise/ yard work etc the day before....I used DMSO straight on swollen area. Worked the area and now days later no swelling. I found I could "move" the swollen joint and "pop" it in place. Almost no sensitivity now.

I'm just trying to point out all the times I use DMSO. Not weekly, but I bet I use DMSO eight or nine times yearly on myself, and have now for over three decades.

Watch on youtube, DMSO, dr Jacobs, sixty minutes and you'll find a great three part program on DMSO.

Hello,

I have a confirmed case of scabies and it has been 8 months of trying to get rid of it. I have tried everything i.e., medicines and natural treatments but none of these cure it only temporary fix. The disease has gone above my neck and is in my hair and I have had them on my face as well. This has been the challenge. I copied down a recipie from Ted's Earth Clinic and wanted to know if this will kill the mites in my hair as well. I'm a little reluctant to use DMSO because I heard controversial things about it. Here is Ted's recipie: Also, have done the Borax & peroxide rinse in the hair. It helps but does not cure it. Below is Ted's recipie. Any other advice would be welcomed. I am at my wits end with this and suffering greatly. A response would be appreciated.

Questions:

1. How do you measure 2.5%, 4% or 5% I.e. tablespoons or teaspoons?

2. how long do you leave it on and for what duration time?

3. Does this treatment get put on the body as well as the scalp?

PLEASE ADVISE.

Ted's comment: All oils are carrier oils, but their penetrant ability is limited, except for DMSO...I have found castor oil mixed with DMSO to be good - 25% castor oil and 75% DMSO. Then you can mix it with mustard powder, mustard oil, or d limonene at, say, 2.5%. That will take care of killing the mites. Plus, you add, say, 4% or 5% lavender oil. They're the approximate numbers I calculate

Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide Soak really works for scabies.

Just want to add that this sounds like a great remedy but that the heart of the real problem is the immune system. You will kill loads of bugs but here's the issue.. The bugs lay eggs under the skin and even though the remedies you are using are killing the bugs the eggs remain and depending on what kind of scabies you have will take a number of days to hatch and then it's starting over with more bugs and more eggs. Some scabies will take 21 days to hatch new eggs.

Get to the root of the problem by treating the immune system. Try to understand what caused your immune system to crash in the first place? Emotional upset, is there a parasitical person or situation in your life? Try removing the emotional and physical causes.

When I started removing the emotional stress and found a wonderful ayurvedic immune builder I got well. That along with gentle exercise causes the eggs to be destroyed under the skin.

Consider that your immune system is a river running just below your skin. It is constantly sending little pacman white blood cells to cleanse many places including under your skin. That is where the eggs are hiding and the immune buggies are going to gobble them up. That is UNLESS they are not there because they are not well fed enough and not rested enough and too sick from overwork stress and toxins they will be too few and far in-between to do the job. Smoking, alcohol & sugar lack of sleep, anger and overwork all suppress the immune system. Turn these things around.

A healthy immune system will kill the eggs. Please be kind & don't harm yourself with super hot water, borax, bleach & pesticide. These might kill a few bugs but will harm you. That is not necessary.

Support your immunity. Google it. Remove the source of scabies in the environment daily. Then use the non-toxic preps you have learned about here. I made a lotion similar to the soap mentioned. Mine had coconut oil, 5 - 10 drops of activated MMS, a few drops of anise essential oil, a little Tamanu or castor oil and that's about it. The bugs are no big deal to kill. It is the eggs that nothing can seem to touch until your immune system kicks in. Simple.

I was sick with it for over six months until I realized this aspect of the healing and then totally got well when the immune system healed.
Bless.

Theresa: the coconut + sulfur treatments don't really smell much. The coconut oil really smothers the sulfur stink. After the oil is absorbed the sulfur is left on the dry skin. It does smell some then, but not very much. I have noticed a very mild sulfur smell on the clothes when they come out of the dryer, but not strong at all.

HI U EARTH DWELLER, , , , , , , , , ,

Great that the sulfur and oil protocol is working for you. Pet lovers have told me that this is an inhumane treatment, and I needed to move into the 21 century. Funny, I thought I had.

=======OLE ROBERT HENRY ========

Hey everyone, just wanted to provide an update on my progress with scabies.

The treatment I've been using since 12/27/2013 is 1 cup coconut oil + 1 Tblsp sulfur powder. I spread it all over my body and really scrub it in where the scabies are the most active (greatest concentration of red bumps or where skin has grown thick or crusted over). 1 cup is good for about 4 days used twice a day.

I'm happy to report that I'll probably be scabies free in about a week. I'm now sleeping 5-7 hrs a night and I've got no major itching, and all swelling has gone away. Large areas on back, shoulders, buttocks & thighs are clear, only red smooth skin where massive bumps once were.

However on my right leg, the first place to show symptoms, is proving to be difficult to oust the scabies. It has thickened skin, in some places it has been very crusty and I really scrub it down, and remove the dead skin each shower. This uncovers more scabies lines / burrows which the sulfur & oil will destroy with enough scrubbing.

I'm also talking 3 Symbiotics Colostrum Plus capsules twice a day. Couldn't find water kefur grains locally and no $ to order online right now. Found a 20 oz water kefur drink for $8 or $9 but the flavor didn't sound appealing and it was at most 2 servings.

The one drawback to this treatment regimen is that I shiver alot, even if the room temp is 85 degrees and I'm bundled up many layers of clothes. I just can't stay warm. This is usually what awakens me before morning comes. I am shivering but find I'm actually sweating on the side I lay on. By the time this happens the coconut oil is absorbed into the skin and it feels quite dry on the opposite side to where I sleep, or on my arms.

I still spray water+borax and vacuum once a day, and keep up the routine of washing all bedding and clothing, usually 4 -5 loads of laundry a day. I'll be glad when I can back off that, but I won't until I see no new bumps for at least 4 days. I'm close, but still finding 3 - 6 bumps appearing on my arms and various other places. I wear latex gloves most of the time and am very watchful of wear new bumps appear; if on the arms, hands or feet I try to determine if they were introduced from on my body or the environment. Most of the time now they come from some place on my person.

So that's about it. This treatment works, though it takes many iterations to achieve clear skin. In my case it was about the only treatment that I could see was effective. I did try DMSO+Borax+H202, and that also works, but is really harsh on the skin. Also used MMS+DMSO with same results. I use that as a spot treatment of small patches. It seems to burn the skin and leave it red and sensitive.

Anyway, thanks to EarthClinic and all who post here and give their reports of their tribulations and remedies. This is an excellent example of how the Internet brings us together to help one another, to foster a sense of real community.

Good luck everyone!

Seems to me that heat is the way to go, it's a matter of how to do it if you don't have access to a sauna. Could you use a hair dryer?

If you want real milk kefir, go online and so a search for the kefirlady. She will send you the grains with instructions, you mail her cash (I think it was $10) and get it in a week or so. I did this years ago and still have mine growing, although it makes so much that I freeze the extra grains. I like to let mine get really thick, then use it like a ricotta cheese on top of my oatmeal--the tang is very tasty. But, I really can't stomack drinking the stuff straight, have to make a smoothie in order to drink it daily. Very good, but I put on weight becasue I was trying to drink all it made. This is soo much cheaper than buying ready made from any store, and they add sweetener and flavoring that you may not want.

Mike 62: My friend was in town today when I called her and she picked up the only kefir the health food store had. It was for a milk / yogurt style kefir, although it was just kefir grains. She asked about the colostrum and they couldn't answer the question about obsorbable type, but what they had was in capsules which alleviates my ebie gebies over drinking that yellow slime. It was rather pricy though at nearly $20 a bottle. When I go in to town I will look for kefir at a different health food store. There are 3 in that town of 11,000 people.

I sure hope so, Robert Henry. The coconut oil is very soothing and good for the skin, however it is absorbed relatively quickly. I noticed only a couple of hours after applying it that the skin didn't seem oily anymore.

When I tried the olive oil & sulfur I didn't repeat it or keep it up. Perhaps a mixture of sulfur + olive oil + coconut oil + a few drops of tea tree oil would be a good combo. The olive oil sticks around longer and the tea tree oil might interfere with offspring reproduction.

Hey all these trials are just slightly educated guesses. The good thing is they are natural. That's not to say they can't hurt you (like the burn I gave myself from cayenne in it; still have a few red patches from that! ).

Your technique of looking for dead mites the next morning is interesting. Sounds like you have a scientific perspective, trying to find evidence like that. Bravo! It's a tough problem to solve without good feedback, and that is limited.

If you assume there are several or many (another unknown to factor in) different groups of bugs & their offspring, your collection method might not be representative of all of them. But it's the best idea I've heard of.

I might give it a try to see if I can even spot one of the little buggers. I spent 5 minutes trying to see if I could spot one with a magnifying glass on my leg with no luck. One problem I foresee with the clear tape approach is that there will likely be lots of dead skin cells on the tape and they may actually interfere with spotting bugs. Worth a try tho.

Earthdweller: Absorbable colostrum happens to be the best selling colostrum in the country, has the most favorable reviews at amazon, and as a bonus is the most cost effective. The colostrum molecule is too large to be absorbed after the intestinal wall becomes fully formed. The colostrum has an oil attached to get into the blood. A 21oz jar costs $52 shipped. I take 5g daily.

I have scabies which spread to my scalp and would like to try the saturated borax and hydrogen peroxide treatment on my scalp. Please tell me what amount of saturated borax is mixed with the peroxide. I would appreciate the measurements for all the ingredients i.e., saturated borax, peroxide and water. Also, how long does it stay on? I would like to keep it on my scalp overnight. Please advise...thank you.

Mike 62: Question for you. Colostrum is the first milk from mammals and really boosts immune systems. So what is absorbable colostrum? I did a google search for it and all the results were for colostrum rather than absorbable colostrum. I mentioned being put off from drinking it b/c it looks yukky to me, like eating bugs etc. But I should at least try it.

Thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies. Before I respond to the feedback you offered, let me provide a brief update.

When I returned home on Christmas day I was itching pretty badly. I reviewed the various things I've tried and paused when I came to sulfur+olive oil. I remember reading how sulfur has been used as a scabies cure for over a 1000 years. So why didn't work I asked myself. Sulfur+DMSO didn't work very well and neither did any thing else with sulfur.

Since I do get some relief (tho not a cure) from coconut oil, I decided to mix 1 cup of coconut oil with 1 Tblsp sulfur powder. I spread the light yellow liquid onto two of the worst places and no stinging. Did that 2 more times, never any stinging so I did entire body.

I felt much relief when I came out of the bathroom. Was able to get 3.5 hrs of sleep before awakening to itching. But visual inspection showed many areas looked much better. I know it's gonna require relentless repetition as sulfur only kills the adult mites. When the next batch of eggs hatch there better be plenty of sulfur on the skin surface to greet them.

I feel better and arms are really improving. Have used the coconut oil + sulfur twice now, about to go in for another shower. I also re-coated some itchy spots couple of hrs ago. The coconut oil seems to do a much better job of getting the sulfur into the skin. I'm going to keep after the 'lil buggers and eventually there will be no more to hatch.

Now onto your feedback.

Tom from TX: My friend suggested kerosine, and I tried it on a spot. Didn't seem to help. Tea Tree oil has a turpentine element in it as well, but didn't really work for me either. I have heard about the Cedarcide, but need to google it to get details. I don't have enough bandwidth for YouTube here at the house, but will definitely see what it has to offer when I go into town next. Thanks much for suggestions.

Tg from AL: Thanks for the tip on getting Ivermectn at farm supply stores. I'll check into that on next visit to one.

Mike 62: I've heard of kefir but don't know much about it. Is it a fermented process? Again, an excellent suggestion I will look into further. Thank you for your input!

Robert Henry: You're absolutely right, it will take persistence to kill all the newly hatched bugs since the sulfur only kills adults and as you point out there will be successive waves of new bugs to kill. Right now there are so many its just a matter of hours between waves, based on how often the severe itching occurs. I'll be more hopeful if I continue to see improvement and the time between waves gets longer and longer. It might even be worth considering full shower + treatment when I feel the need to itch. But doing so also implies much more laundering and I am already doing that almost non-stop now. I was prescribed the exact same steroid you mentioned, but it is all gone now. It definitely helps to stop the itching, but read elsewhere it has some bad side affects, so for now I will avoid it. Hot water is 155 degrees into washer. Cools to 122 just as agitator starts cycle. So I add 1 or two large pots of boiling water to raise it back up to 140 degrees or more.

Theresa: I agree. I intend to check into the info Mike wrote about. Don't know about the colostrum tho. I know what that is, it most certainly would be good to take, but not sure where to get it. I'll ask about it at farm supply on next visit. I gotta say tho that it does kindof put me off, like eating bugs & cows brains do.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply with your wonderful and positive input.

EarthDweller still hanging in there...

1) Try to apply your urine on the infected area or 2) Try to apply dry wood ashes on the infected area.

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(Mpls., Mn) on 12/26/2013

Hey EarthDweller!

Some friends of mine swear by Freedom 45 - pyrethrin based.

Google "freedom 45 scabies" for a Topix discussion that may give you ideas as well.

Because parasite are attracted to the energy from a weakened immune system, do consider Mike's advise for nutritional supplements to take to help you heal from the inside out.

If you are constantly being reinfected, you may have to step up your cleaning routine and spread borax powder about and leave it down to prevent the mites from establishing any new colonies or hiding spots in your home.

HI U EARTH DWELLER, , , , , , , know you are excited about your find, but can promise you that you are still in trouble. Some of the eggs have not hatched and they are staggered and will hatch for sometime. Your bed clothing still has mites in them unless you have continuously addressed that with isolation and hot washing and drying.

My evolution with mites went like yours and others that have posted. I did not post my whole story six months ago. I will because I think folks can cut to the chase by reading it. The mites first showed up on my right knee and then covered my body. Like you I went to the drug store and bought 1 % OTC Permethrim which is for head lice and useless. I then went to my MD and he prescribed 5 % Permithrim which is also useless. I then went to the Farm Co-op and bought 10% Permithrim that is used on horses. That did some good. At the same time I was doing the peroxide, borax baths and bathed with a sulfur soap. All this time I thought I had Demodex mites and it may have been. Dog mange is Demodex mites and I have cured many dogs and I can tell you that my cure is far better than Ted's. Anyway, that is the rational for using sulfur soap. I also bought the hottest Mexican pepper sauce available and coated my body while standing in my bath.

At the same time I was isolating my bed linens and washing with our hot water heater wide open. We covered my mattress with Diatomaceous Earth and totally enclosed the mattress in plastic cover. Things were getting better but not rid of the critters yet. I then went to a very good Dermatologist and carried him samples of both the male and females mites. We collected them with a lint roller. He prescribed an ointment , Triamcinolone Acetonide , 0.025% with instructions to cover my body morning and night.

All this time I had been useing my FIR Sauna daily. Read where heat of 120 F would kill them , so I upped my sauna temperature to 160 to 180 F. Went back to the Dermotologist in two weeks and he declared that the ointment had worked and just coat my body once a day. I never went back and stayed with my hot sauna's for two more weeks. He did not send the mite samples off for identification and said it was just a rash.

In hind sight, I think all these posts help, but I am convinced that it is the heat that truly rids you of these critters. For me, it seems ridiculous to think changing your diet will cure you of a skin parasite. Hope my long winded diatribe has given you good earth clinic folks a short cut to solving your mite problem. Ain't life interesting?

=========OLE ROBERT HENRY===========

Earthdweller: There are a lot of people like you approaching old age who are taking meds, herbs, and supplements and continue to suffer. I was one a short while ago. The info I am going to give you is not only going to solve all the problems but is going to give you the best body and brain of your entire life. Get some water kefir grains online. There are two kinds. One is fully awake. The other is dormant and takes 3-4 days to awaken. Put 30g organic flour, 30g organic whole dried cane sugar, and the kefir, in 1 quart drinking water. Do not use any metal. Let brew at room temp away from direct sunlight and drink 1 cup every hour before too tart. Watch how to make water kefir in 2 minutes or less video. You can make the next batch with some from the previous batch. Take 10g or more of absorbable colostrum. Make green smoothies in a blender from organic baby leaves. Eat the sugar you give the kefir, raw honey, and activated barley for carbs, hawaiin spirulina, chlorella, dessicated liver, nondenatured whey isolate, and raw cocoa powder for protein, 15g coconut oil, 25g black chia seeds, and 1tsp sesame oil for fats. Eat 80% carbs, 10% protein, 5% fiber, and 5% fats by weight. Watch raw food videos.

You can get ivermectin at farm supply stores or a co-op--like Tractor Supply Co or somthing similar. I use the cattle pour-on ivermectin in extremely low doses on my poultry--like 3 drops for an 8 pound bird. This is dosed on the skin, measured w/ a syringe (also bought at Tractor Supply Co) but no needle. It goes in through the skin and kills worms and somehow also kills fleas/mites on the outside. Research miticides with no emphasis on being for a human. Most of what our pets get we also can take, the dose is all that is different. Check out your local feed/farm store and ask what they have for mites/mange/etc. Our local clerk tells me that most of the horse hormones are purchased by body builders, but they can't sell it to them if they know that's what it's for.

I think it was our own Robert Henry that reported good results w/ hot sauna trnt along w/ other stuff. Read his reports as I think he finally killed the critters.

The roundworm trnt drug Ivermectin, if I am not mistaken, is also indicated for parasites such as mites, scabies, etc. It is available in mostly liquid or paste and may work topically but it may do to try some also orally.

Hey Earthdweller,

Google "Turpentine scabies" and you'll find a lot of information on the use of turpentine "baths" to kill the little critters. Caution; only one cap full in a whole bath. More as you can learn to tolerate higher doses. Also google "healing with Turpentine tony pantalleresco youtube" and he has an extensive description of the very old medicinal uses of turpentine...uses that go back a hundred years.

Also there is a powerful substance you can use on the skin called Cedarcide made in Texas that kills about anything but won't hurt a person or animal. Apply to skin and I bet it would work on mites too. It will on larger mites, so why not the microscopic ones?

I was so excited to see the results of the borax / h202 solution I just couldn't wait to post last night. However great this solution is to scabies it isn't an "instant fix".

I have scabies over a large portion of my body. The worst is my right leg which became infected and swollen. That's what led me to seek an MD in the first place.

I just finished a round of Cipro (antibiotic) and was also given a shot of Medrol at that time. That seemed to take care of the majority of the swelling & infection.

But the leg is still very red with some swelling. When I treat it with borax / h202 it oozes clear pus here and there, but it's very minor compared to when I first went to the Dr. I see a few of the scabie "trails" after putting the solution on, and if they itch I scrub them real well and I can finally get them to sting and die, as they then fade and go away.

My point is that I believe the remedy is the best I've seen, and it does work, but persistence is very, very important as is cleaning your environment. That is why repeating the process every day is required until you can get yourself & the environment rid of the beasts.

Another important point is that if you have thickened skin (as I have on my leg) you may need to use a stronger penetrating agent (such as DMSO) to get the borax under the skin to where the mites and their eggs are.

I still haven't had a full nights rest yet. An hour or two after going to sleep I awaken shivering. I live in a small (less than 1000 sq ft) house which is heated by a wood stove. The bedroom stays about 10 degrees cooler than the living room, but it's close to 69 degrees in the bedroom. I have no idea what is causing that. Perhaps it's a side effect from leaving the permethrin on too long, or perhaps it's my ultra dry skin caused by the borax treatments.

Right now for example I'm sitting right in front of the stove, it's 80 degrees and I'm beginning to shiver. I've been out of bed for 6 hours now and I'm starting to notice some itchyness on my back and a little on my arms. So I'm about to go the bathroom, switch on the electric heater and do some spot applications of the borax / h202 solution where I itch and put on fresh clothing.

Thats my update. I will keep posting in hopes that this information my help others, even if it's just to provide a measure of comfort by knowing you're not alone in your struggle.

Bye for now.

Hi, I actually discovered EC back in '08 and have come here several times of the intervening years. I wish there were a better way to vote on posts aside from yea & nay, but the site has great value nontheless.

The reason for my post is to say THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU TED! For this remedy. I was actually looking for a remedy for scabies when I came across this.

I've been suffering from this since October but now I have real hope. MDs won't help, search engines obscure results in favor for establishment treatments that don't work and cost boo-kew bucks, and that is simply ridiculous and downright psychopathic in this information age. Just shows how screwed up values are in this country.

Last night at my wits end I decided to try yet another internet search for something, anything to make some progress on this problem. When I found this I immediately checked to see if I had any h202 around. I had 3oz of 3%, so diluted made 10.5oz to which I added 1.5 tbls of Borax.

After showering the 3% permethrin off of me I'd been wearing for 4 days (yes I know that's bad), and applying the borax/h202 solution to my poor tortured body, I felt tingling, stinging where I tried it on my lower leg. After giving myself a rather nasty burn from using a self made concoction of sulfur powder+vaseline+cayenne extract, I only did the worst spot to see what happened. After a few minutes the stinging went away entirely so I proceeded to another spot. Same response, so I repeated this over my entire body. The stinging is a bit uncomfortable but it doesn't last long and it tells you the solution is working.

I felt great and was able to fall asleep quickly, although I was pretty confident I would reinfest myself getting from the bathroom to the bed. Sure enough, I awoke about 2 hrs later with a couple of itchy areas. I was hoping it might just be the result of ultra dry skin, but it wasn't. So after 30 minutes passed without being able to fall asleep again I arose and went straight to the bathroom to see how bad the re-infestation was. It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.

So I showered off the old borax and had just enough to reply. The stinging was there again but not as severe or long lasting. But I knew this would be a sure cure if I could clean up my environment. Although I tried to be careful after the 2nd treatment I was highly confident I would be re-infested before I could leave the house to replenish supplies and mount a serious effort to evict the little buggers with borax.

When I returned home that afternoon I could feel some of the itching return, though FAR FAR less than before. Although I was dog tired and need to get some sleep I knew what would happen if I tried before carefully and thoroughly cleaning everything.

I have sprayed a solution of borax & water on the waterbed (no bedding on it), the carpets and in the bathroom. I'm waiting for it to dry before hoping in the shower to apply the 3rd round of borax / h2o2 solution.

This time I used a large garbage bag and unloaded the dryer directly into it. I sure hope I've cleaned those dang things out of here and tonight will be first night of restful sleep. Trying to decide whether to shower first or get the bedding ready to sleep on.

Anyway, I'm now confident I have the knowledge & tools to overcome this ordeal and get on with my life one again.

EarthDweller

Do you use regular bleach for the baths or non-chlorinated bleach. Also, please indicate the ratio of bleach & peroxide I.e., 1 cup bleach etc. Thank you!

Could you please tell me if you used regular Chlorine bleach or Clorine-free bleach?

I also used the Orange Oil from Whole Foods, That is the one. It works and along with the Clove Bud Oil and Peppermint Oil. I smelled like Christmas candy, but they all worked well together to get rid of those horrible critters. Good Luck.

Sorry I did not reply sooner. As of today, I have been cured from the scabies mite, Thank God. The nites of endless scratching are over. Everytime I feel something crawling, I say oh my god, they are back. Thank God they aren't. How long have you had them?

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Thanks Mike. Any chance you can give me the fish sauce and the humic acid brand? There are too many brands out there ...

Greenglo: God's Goodies can make the body buzz like a bee and brain think like a super computor. I would love to assist you in accomplishing this incredible goal. A case of 12 7oz. Bottles thai fish sauce can be purchased for $55 shipped. The best has been fermented for 2 years. For the oil soluable nutrients an 8oz. bottle of raw fermented skate liver oil can be purchased for $50 shipped. The protein powders I take are raw organic cocoa powder, raw whey isolate, absorbable colostrum, hawaiin spirulina, chlorella, and non defatted dessicated liver. The carbs I take are honey, organic whole dried cane juice, and organic buckwheat flour, all raw. The oils I take are expellar pressed coconut, raw organic sesame, and black chia seeds. The herbs I take are cold processed maca, yucca powder, organic tomato paste, cayenne, hawaiin cordyceps, freeze dried organic young green coconut water, and 4:1 goji concentrate. The supplements I take are water soluable humic acid, wyoming clay, nascent iodine stabalized with alcohol, cold pressed lemon and wild harvested oregano essential oils, and vanilla bean. I drink a pint of water per hour and do earthing. I walk for a half hour, then rest for a half hour, 8 times. I drink 4 cups of home made water kefir. Thank you God's Goodies.

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Last year when I was addressing Lymphoma, I had an out break of mites of some kind. I think it was associated with the cancer as Hulda Clarks says. Anyways, I went to my doctor and he gave me an insecticide. That did not work, so I went to a Dermatoligist and he gave me a gel that was supposed to smother them. The sorry rascal did not send the specimans off for indentification.

I read where mites die at 120 degrees so we washed all my clothes and bed sheets with the hot water heater on maximam. I took a FIR Sauna at 160 degrees every day. That solved my problem. Any other treatment besides heat , then you are pissen in the wind.

Know lots of you don't have the money for a FIR Sauna, but you dang sure know how to build a fire. The native Indians used heat to solve a lot of their health problems. You figure out how to get your skin above 120 degrees and you are home free.

For parasites that are in the skin, heat is the only solution. Otherwise you have a long drawn out process. Heed what I say. I've been there.

Love you like a FIRST COUSIN. == OLE RH ====

Hi Mike, where do you buy the raw fish sauce from? I live in Denver too but have'nt been able to locate this. Would also love to have your product recommendations. Thanks!

Kevin: I had the same problem. Studying all the condemnations confused me. I had $2,000 in the bank and I was starving because I was afraid to eat anything. Then I discovered the solution, zeta potential. High zeta potential creates an atmosphere where cells thrive and all pathogens perish. Any food that increases zeta potential is good. Raw food and live ferments have enzymes. Organic and grass fed foods have bioactive minerals. Live enzymes and bioactive minerals increase zeta potential. For example you can eat a raw organic strawberry but not drink pasteurized orange juice. You can eat grass fed hamburger raw or rare but not cooked regular hamburger. Concentrates like raw honey and dessicated liver are more convenient and less expensive. Google raw food and superfood videos. I take 85% raw organic concentrates and 15% raw grass fed and wild harvested animal concentrates. If this is something that you would like to try reply back and I'll give you all the properly prepared products from reputable companies highly recommended by naturopath doctors that I take, the dosages, and instructions.

I am not sure for what purpose you have to reduce meat and carbs. If Bill and Ted has said it, there is should be a valid reason for it. In any case, if you need nutrition. Take Spirulina 2 - 4 capsules a day. Start with 2. It will supply all the nutrition you need except vitamin C, Vitamin E. Good Health

I have been batteling scabies for the past few months and finally borax and h202 are working. I have read a ton about alkalizing on this website and have started drinking sodium bicarb mixtures with Apple Cider Vinegar and lemon/lime juice. I have also read Ted's pH balance book... My question refers to the diet portion. If I can't eat fruit or dairy, and have to drastically cut down on my meat and other carbs, WHAT THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED TO EAT? If anyone with knowledge on this can give me more specific information about what to eat instead of what to stay away from it would be greatly appreciated. I'm a 25 year old male, thought I was healthy before this scabies event, it has showed me that I have to change a lot about my life, I don't want to loose weight.

I have been battling scabies for weeks now. I have applied 5% permethrin twice and lately starting to use borax and baking soda to make body scrub. Most of the time during the day I don't itch much but in the morning after I wake up and walk into my kitchen to cook breakfast, and my kitchen is kind of warm so I sweat easely my back and stomach feels like I get pricked by 100 needles and it goes away after about a minute. I wonder if it's the hair folicals that is infected from the scabies or the scabies moving around all at ones. When it comes to scrubbing yourself with borax and baking soda I don't recommend using a nylon scrubber because it will will tare up your skin and it will make the concoction sting. I really do want to get rid of these mites so I was thinking about trying the 1/8 tsp borax in a liter of water to see if it will help with the eggs. But I'm afraid that I will get sick after reading what other people have posted. I don't have problem sleeping anymore, hardly itching at all during the night. Could it be that I don't have scabies anymore but I have post-scabies itch and also itching from the borax? I am considering going to a dermatologist to let him or her check it out.

Bird mites cannot reproduce without bird blood. They can feed on any blood, but need bird blood to reproduce. Get rid of the birds, ( I had one in my dryer vent with mites, and I was diagnosed with delisional parisitosis, before finally finding the cause) The doctors thought I was insane. Despite being very tiny, bird mites can sense your exhalation and will travel very very long distances to reach food. It was probably 30 feet of dryer vent and another 50 feet to reach my bed.

I fought what I thought was scabies for four months. A lot of the people on this site were describing similar symptoms.

If your scabies are visible, then they aren't scabies. If you are having symptoms of black specks, little skin-colored grains, sharp 'pebbles', splintery organisms and hair-like things coming out of your skin, I URGE you to research Morgellons. Do NOT use Wikipedia for information on this condition, as they are incredibly biased on the subject. There is a lot of misinformation out there to sort through.

If you have been fighting 'scabies' for more than a few months, or if you have been seeing organisms coming out of your skin, chances are you are experiencing Morgellons. You cannot kill Morgellons with scabies treatments.

I wish I had found out about this months earlier. Someone posted something similar on a scabies forum, and I ignored the information because a) I didn't want it to be true and b) the Wikipedia page was so biased as to not include any pathogenically based studies on the subject.

Do not despair--if this is what you have, you are one step closer to a cure by knowing what you're after.

Here is a link to a study on the subject http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3751012/

I suggest you visit a Morgellons website as well to read descriptions of the symptoms from people themselves. I repeat: don't let yourself get pulled in by misinformation.

Hello there! Any chance you can provide us with the recipe to make the cream. It would be greatly appreciated ;o)) Thanks, and I hope you got your problem under control. I want the recipe to put on diabetic ulcers.

Diatomaceous Earth will work however, it does not take only a day to work. I did the same sock trick, filled with DE and beat it around the place. I sprinkled it into the carpet and beat it in using a flip flop. It cuts and dehydrates the bugs however it can take days before they die and may not reach unhatched eggs. For the eggs I reccamend a combo of clove and neem oil. The clove will melt the eggs and been Will inactivated eggs and intermediate larva if not destroyed by the clove oil.

After mixing both oils in lotion, let dry. Then when completely dry apply the DE and rub it in. During this time times when you shower, you should be scrubbing with sulfur soap and allowing it to remain unwashed off on the skin, for a min of ten min. Do not skimp on the time. Ten full min or more then completely wash off. Grisi is the brand of the 10% sulfur soap.

Also most importantly, many come here looking for advise and may assume they have a condition when they may not. I've seen people who did not know they had bed bugs complained to their derm about scabies or other single infections. Keep in mind there are a variety of mites also the have very different habits of existence. Some living in the skin, in the environment and longer than expected without food supply. See a doc if you can. If not, do your self a favor and research and get feedback from a trusted friend or loved one.

For starters, I would like to thank everyone who posted material. Knowing I was not alone was the only thing that kept me and my family from quitting this earthly existence. The tips helped me craft the all out war I waged to get my life and household back. Some links I had found, though I digested it all and incorporated it into this posting. Http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/scabies4.html Http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TS4TUAOIOMU0HFANQ Http://mypreciousthingz.blogspot.com/2012/06/my-deadly-scabies-experience.html (excuse the errors in ingredients caused by iPad auto complete spelling. The amount of info I am entering is a lot) Also excuse the possible repeat of paragraphs, Or minor organization problems, I am not able to re-live this experience as long as it would take to properly edit this entire write up. I organized this as best possible in 2 writing sessions.

Materials (things I used, for methods/application see detail below or look at posts from others)

Drop cloths (plastic) for furniture (pack of 3 best value at Walmart) Tape to secure drop cloths on furniture Tack mats (use shelf paper upside down, taped to floor with blue tape) Clean room tack mats avail online, but sometimes hard to get quickly delivered. Swiffers Bleach wipes Clorox cleanup Latex gloves, disposable one use only Ziplock bags Marker Towels small (Walmart has 12 for $15 in the car wash isle, I used these for the showers instead of washing lots of large towels after one use Towels, medium ( hair, showers) Bleach for laundry wash Scotch packing tape to collect bugs (clear is good for microscope review, can bring samples to doctor) Lice gel treatment - took to using this on whole body, then shower. Walmart had large bottles. Cleaned and reused combs, was nice to have a stable of clean combs to grab. Rx permethrin RxTriamcinolone. 1% Rx Hydrocortisone 2.5% just caused caking of cream on skin and caused patient to just feel hot. Sarna skin original cream (normal has like. Cooling camphor in it, sensitive has no cooling gent. Cooling gents like c phor in creams are not well tolerated by kids, they tend to get cold and cannot tolerate term until bath, even warm bath water is colder when the creamed skin hits the bath. Sarna skin sensitive cream, better for kids. Sulfur soap. Sulfur soap felt nice on skin, but scaled up the shower door with residue. Hand sanitizer Orange oil Tea tree oil Coconut oil Sulfur cream 10%(best was de la cruz sulfur ointment posada de azure 10%) best cost was Walmart or cvs. Mothballs or moth ice Vacuum bags or space saver bags Trash bags Foot powder borax bran iodide ( Walgreens) Walgreens fast acting odorless analgesic crime, trolamine salicylate 10%, inactive ingredient aloe barbadensis leaf extract, Cheryl alcohol, glycerin, mineral oil, potassium phosphate, propyl paraben steric acid, triethanolamine, water, (did not work as well as muscle rub to quit the bug skin sensation) Muscle rub ultra strength Walgreen s brand (active ingredients: camphor 4%, menthol , methyl salicylate 30%', inactive ingresdientss: carbomer, dis odium EDTA, glyceryl lstearate SE, lanolin, ploys ornate 80, potassium hydroxide, steric acid, trolls mine, water Concepts This is ALL OUT WAR. It will have costs, waste generation and some casualties lost. Get a calendar, note dates of treatment, doctor visits, any other details of the day: what treatments were done This will help you remember ( this situation often feels like Groundhog Day, lonely, hard work, volume of things to do) Note any creams used on whom and number of times per day of showers, creams, oils, etc When something changes for better or worse or to show progress the calendar visual is very helpful It also helps as a communication tool with doctors who do not know how you feel and do not understand the depression, manic feelings and urgency that the patient feels. It helps guide the discussion. It helps they understand you situation timeline. Push for immediate appt s with dermatologist or other doctors, the delay in a dermatologist appt caused some of the explosion of this population after the primary doc timed the treatments wrong. Dermatologists like the easy schedule of their practice (primadonas) , often they see no urgency (until of course you are in their office and they see you then they act ingratiatingly urgent. Otherwise be prepared that most doctors don't care or get it or understand the disease. They are detached and just following a script, despite very contagious and the need for the patient to stay away from work and daycare. If you don't get the treatment right the first time, permethrin treatments Rx is expensive because the pharmacy coverage is considering one tube per month. Despite requirement to use it in one day and then a week layer again all one day. There are a lot of out of pocket expenses here. Minimize your costs by managing the care provider, be firm, tell them what you need don't expect them to know or understand the strict all-out-warfare protocols. Make sure doctor knows to prescribe one tube for each person in house, even if the other family members are not seen. All housemates need treatment. Rx only covers a tube per person. Get greedy to request or force another tube, if you spill it, you won't have enough. If they won't prescribe for a spouse, call the spouses doctor immediately, tell the doctor what was diagnosed and what you were prescribed and get them to call in a prescription for the other family members. There are different permethrin manufacturers. The Targets pharmacy permethrin (Actvis mid atlantic llc brand) was more liquidy and easier to spread. Cvs (Perrigo brand) pharmacies have more creamy, thicker application. Harder to spread and cover everything. Disability coverage by employer for adult is helpful to cover child care issues. Child cannot mix with other kids when infected. Dermatologists charge to complete employer forms for disability coverage. My child and I had scabies, she could not go to school. At least I got the doctor to understand that I should be kept home with scabies and not impact my coworkers. Being able to care for my child when no other care was available was helpful. Did not have vacation available to use. Dermatologist do not know how to fill company disability forms out. Ensure you carefully check the paperwork. Ensure they know they cannot charge you for incorrectly completing the paperwork. Do not let them go or leave their office until you submit the paperwork via fax or make them fax it, look it over for correctness yourself, and get your company nurse or hr rep to approve the paperwork. Dermatologists take their time correcting their errors and it can affect your employers system, discipline tolerance, etc. Nurse practitioners at work who know your case through hr can help prescribe follow ups if needed because of a negligent Dermatologist. The disruption of sleep during this infestation also affects your mind and mental state. Realize that you are the only advocate for your child. No one else cares about your kid unless you make them act. Dermatologist just want you and your infested cloud out of their office. You are there because you are sick, they would rather have patients with appointments for Botox or other high dollar treatments. General actions: Couches & mattresses & seats wiped with bleach wipes Heat treat everything in dryer Everything in bags (all toys, all clothes, rugs, pillows, blankets, ) Vacuum bags (space saver bags) with moth balls Full utilization of washer /dryer, use and schedule with little down time. I even woke up through the night to do another load. All toys that cannot be wiped need to be put away in bags for 1-2 months or more. Kid won't miss it. Kid to take a bath, with three oil treatment Keep asking them if they are itchy Bleach garage floor, entry steps Bleach driveway or other approach Control areas of clean laundry, everything is one way, if it falls on the floor or touched some untreated thing, it goes back to the beginning of the treatment process. We had one bedroom for washed clothes, stuff. Treatment bags or toys in bags were in garage Furniture use was managed to minimize cleaning certain areas everyday. Laundry baskets were either wiped or if collapsible, they were placed in dryer then post treatment used for clean clothes. Collapsible laundry baskets from ikea were more durable than 99cent store. Both fit in Dryer. Clean treated Laundry baskets did not touch floor where dirty laundry or other infested area They would carry clean clothes sheets then collect the sheets the next day and go to garage and get treated. Garbage bags also were used for collecting laundry in waiting. My thought was that critters that could weaken and drop off would then attach to feet, socks, other items and cling to life. If they were stuck in a bag waiting for washing the. They were contained. Always think CONTAINMENT, LIKE OUTBREAK! Stay away from used areas +3 days (most info says these things die in 24 hours without a meal, but I have experienced different and some web info cites studies where female mites lived 96 hours! ) Razors and Luffas one use or bleach treat Combs bleach treated. Pillows mattresses covered in plastic cases. (bed bath beyond) Furniture contained in plastic drop clothes. Car seats had to be treated or quarantined to stop bug life cycle. Car seats that could not be left for a week without use has to be covered. Plastic Drop cloths were disposable, or beach towels one use cover and wash in hot. All day work agenda is to tackle the mountain of household items to clean, treat, heat treat, bag and wipe. And swiffer at least 3x a day Replace tac mats, use tac mts to wipe feet, deduce floor debris, tracking, travel of bugs. Wash clothes in very hot Increase water heater temp Wash clothes inside out many times. Wash all socks and underwear in hot with bleach or agents Contain shoes in bags with moth ice Heat treat shoes as possible Shoes and clothes may shrink, casualties of war. Contact potential affected people: hotels, baby sitters, schools, close family. Tell them what to watch for so they can act on treatment. Stay away from hospitals, eldercare centers, scabies is very contagious and tough to manage in those facilities. Protect your loved ones by keeping away from them. Keep samples each day of anything found. Mark in dated bags, location taken from This also helped gauge when things get better. Our experience was many relapse episodes unfortunately. After fighting the initial time it got better but then the backlash of not properly containing clothes, hair, etc. Caused a relapse. I realized after doing everything the doctor said for weeks, that I felt bites on feet and back where my hair had just been combed out. My scalp was not itchy, but whatever was dropping onto my back in microscopic size was a vector. Plus my husbands shirts might be dropping mites who then lived. We found the vectors to be hidden in our hair, scalp, floors. Once we attacked the scalp spot on top of the kids head and the hair bands and the increased frequency of swiffer (so glad we don't have carpet! ) Treated hair Contained dry cleaning shirts Swiffer until the swiffer sheets are clean Tied hair in buns for over 8 months Then final change toward recovery and improvement was when contained hair and floors and clean room criteria. Meds or skin treatments Rx: Permethrin 5% a tube per adult, some left over from kids tube apply for neck to toes, get under nails and in ALL spaces, cracks. They say 8 hours, but in one treatment towards the end of many unsuccessful treatments, we left it on for 24 hours. Permethrin also had Cooling tingly affect, unsure if this was nerve response or the meds acting. We also did lice body shampoos Lice gel treatment - took to using this on whole body, then shower. Walmart had large bottles. Cleaned and reused combs, was nice to have a stable of clean combs to grab. Dermatologistskept trying to soothe skin with Rx for: Triamcinolone. 1% Hydrocortisone 2. 5% just caused caking of cream on skin and caused patient to just feel hot. Dermatologist office also tried to sell Saran for double the Walmart cost. $20 a bottle, I returned it, I would have guessed then that they resell possibly used and returned bottles. They were not surprised I returned the bottles or that I was angry at the rip off. Sarna skin original cream (normal has like. Cooling camphor in it, sensitive has no cooling gent. NOTE: Cooling agents like camphor in creams are not well tolerated by kids , they tend to get cold and cannot tolerate term until bath, even warm bath water is colder when the creamed skin hits the bath. Sarna skin sensitive cream, better for kids. Sulfur soap felt nice on skin, but scaled up the shower door with residue. Multi layer treatment, (recommended by web folks who said permethroin did not work. ) made black things come out of skin. Put in layers over whole body. Get help, for your back. Hand sanitizer Orange oil Tea tree oil Blue magic Coconut oil Left these on for about an hour then showered and sometimes followed with sulfur cream It is killing these bugs but also Both oils and sulfur creams caused the skin to expel black stuff. I agree this must be the bugs dead and leaving. I Liked tea tree oil and it soothed the skin. Orange oil smells nicer, bugs did NOT like orange and tea tree oils. Enjoyed the thought of winning small battles with orange and tea tree oils. Also the sulfur cream. Felt like they were suffering. Some of these smell bad, segregate clothes you will wear with these creams and oils. Eventually the sulfur smell and tea tree smells go away, after many washes, but the relief is worth the smell. Sulfur cream, get help for back. Some blogs said to put on for a hour. In some cases I got desperate and left it on all day. Again calendar helps keep facts straight. At some point my trusted doctor and my replacement good dermatologist agreed that the mites were likely not there and I was dealing with nerve sensations. Long after the initial scrapes of diagnosis, and treatments, I saw bumps and lesions. I had 3 biopsies, each time they cut 3 spots, 9 cuts and none showed infection. I paid a lot for the biopsies and their analysis. Learned eventually that skin healing response can produce these bumps. It is part of the response to the medicine and also the bugs. Also going bck to work, some of my clothes were tight and the skin response to tight clothes was to create its own lesions nd bumps. At this point I resorted to treating the sensations. Some of the web posts stated: kill scabies in five minutes..... So I tried it. Rub down with muscle rub and then go take a bath with foot powder. Materials listed below: Foot powder borax bran iodide ( Walgreens) Walgreens fast acting odorless analgesic crime, trolamine salicylate 10%, inactive ingredient aloe barbadensis leaf extract, Acetyl alcohol, glycerin, mineral oil, potassium phosphate, propyl paraben steric acid, triethanolamine, water, (did not work as well as muscle rub to quit the bug skin sensation) Muscle rub ultra strength Walgreen s brand (active ingredients: camphor 4%, menthol , methyl salicylate 30%', inactive ingresdientss: carbomer, dis odium EDTA, glyceryl lstearate SE, lanolin, ploys ornate, 80 potassium hydroxide, steric acid, troloamine, water Notes on kids Sarna skin cream (normal has like. Cooling camphor in it, sensitive has no cooling agent. ) Cooling agents like camphor in creams are not well tolerated by kids , they tend to get cold and cannot tolerate them until bath, even warm bath water is colder when the creamed skin hits the bath. Kid management: explain bug infestation Ask if they can help, kids love to help swiffer. Set standard that the "doctor says" must do medicines, creams, baths, cleaning, toy a quarantine time, etc Buy them a swim cap for hair treatments, character caps help too. They can use wipes to help clean while you use Clorox wipes They can help clean bathtub No stuffed toys for a while, they are " in the laundry" Use google images to demonstrate the sickness. Notes: on additional controls and responses. Known to infest just skin, not scalp, however, I found an infestation on my daughters scalp (3 yo) only infants supposedly get scalp infestation....... Hmmmm..... We had scalp stuff. Also noticed that it felt like critters on my back falling from hair. Like biting on my back immediately 10 mins post shower and lice treatment on hair. Felt like these had gotten into our hair by retreating to un-permethrin treated areas also hair bands/ scuunccii on floor had collected and harbor end critters. Mom Treated scalps of mom and daughter with permethrin, told doctors, although we were told it was not needed. Shortened daughters hair to minimize combing about shoulder length. Pediatrician Rx sklice for scalp treatment, new technique and was $80 with prescription coverage. Also felt like critters on floor from clothes, skin, wherever, and they keep cycling onto person Noticed that doing laundry, I felt bites on my feet start when I got near laundry pile. Contained husbands dry cleaning inside large plastic bags so no critters could drop and move. Quarantined this clothing in garage with more tarp underneath. Purse and gym bags with cleats, heart rate straps, watches, etc all infected. All isolated, treated, etc. Sensations Felt itchy, crawly, ears, top of head, nose, toes, armpits, waistband. Bra bands, etc. Permethrin felt cooling when applied. I felt it more than husband. The relief sensation was comforting and addicting. This may be caused by nerve agent nature of the drug. As nerves healed over time, tingling and bug sensation would occur. When done, wear loose clothes for 6-8 months or tight clothes will cause skin response similar to scabies, lesions that is simply an immune response. Took months for sensations to stop. The muscle cream and foot soap bath really worked like a switch to stop the tingling buggy feeling. It was terribly uncomfortable to be so cold and wet, brutal treatment, but worked. Root cause investigation thoughts: Unsure if we only had scabies or a multi infestation with other mites. Massage June 6, 2012, then went to work out. Masseuse was rookie, concerned about transfer to heart rate monitor. Possible June infection from hawaii trip Possible gym infection, possible daycare route, Daughter and mother worst infected Daughter and mother waking up all night when sensation and biting occurred. Also think there were body lice in play here Daycare friends had traveled possibly infected us, but not honest enough to alert others to the risk, No one in our house got any infection here by visiting. Baby sitters were fine. Daycare provider had heavy pubic scratching and also hospital astray hospital cancer. Also worried about work chair, put raincoat over chair and switched chairs. Bart train seats, infidelity, all possiblities that were considered. I think there was scabies, plus some other mite from the driveway fir trees. Used to get bites when sitting in pickup truck bed that has fir tree cones and debris from trees. Twice found visible bugs, not ants coming from driveway toward garage and laundry, liked sweaty clothes. Scabies are not visible, so these were other mites. Once floor controls and hair scalp was addressed, all bites stopped. Sensations continued, but camphor creams helped stop brain response. Mental Dermatologists smug over initial first treatment by primary care doc because it was a 2 week treatment, Corrected with 1 week treatment, but they also refused to accept there was another reinfection. Bites on back and feet, they said, it's not scabies, cannot help you. Second opinion dermatologist said scabies. Also other bugs were on driveway and floor, and scalp, initial dermatologist and other doctors seemed hopeless that they could not help.. This is when I realized it was all out war to quarantine everything's movement more tightly than the TSA at the airports. Doctors Refused to consider scalp, until pediatrician saw what I saw. So we switched to sklice Rx. Pediatrician was helpful and had really seen scabies so follow up bumps were discounted and patient at ease. then dermatologists were bullish when not considering the comfort level of patient, excreted bugs appearing were dismissed as dirt/debris. Bully doctors would discard the patient, prescribe more creams, just to make more money, don't care about patient. They left patient to mentally suffer. Sometimes felt like there was no future life away from scabies condition. Hopeless, very suicidal and very risky. As if they did not understand this was skin expressing the bugs out. Black things appear on these patients as commonly anecdotes on the Web, people don't all have the same story by chance. This phase exists. And the doctor treats them as crazy people. As if these black things are in their minds only. As if derms don't get that there is stuff and cannot explain what it is to a patient. They need tone able to understand and help the patient brought. Now I clearly know more than any dermatologist about scabies. That first derm office should be disciplined by the med review board. Skin issues also followed with fungus or other immune response lesions that were scary to experience as a potential comeback of the bugs. Web logs were helpful. Felt not alone. Good tips Some people wrote what their experience was as opposed to actual science, but it was helpful. ( e.g., one post said they saw moving black bugs under microscope. I found this questionable. The debris was likely bugs but they were only coming out because skin was expressing the debris. I never saw live specimens. )

I had or may even still have some kind of buggers that got on me while cutting grass more than five years ago. And I am not sure that they got on me or was drawn out of my own body( Maybe they live in our gut, I don't know for sure , because I am not sure what these things are ) They could be Canndidda, Parasites, Mites I just don't know for sure. I won't even take time to tell what all I have taken, that helped some. What I will share with you is what worked best! Hairever Scalp Therapy rubbed onto my forearms ( where they were ) Thank goodness not in my hair. Anyway I would get black specks that would come from my skin and it would help for a while. I pretty much thought I had them contained , but not cured all the way. They would re-appear and I would rub them down again.

Well, by accident while treating some other things I started to take Cayenne Pepper! Started slowly with like 30,000 Heat units , like 1/8 teaspoon in some V-8. Worked my way up to a full teaspoon after awhile. I started to notice that more and more black specks was coming out of my arms when I would rub them with the scalp therapy. After about a month of this my arms begin to clear alot. Best out of all the remedies that I had tried. I still have an occasional one rise up (usually has a white head on it ) and a few and I mean just a few black specks come out now. I use to have bunches of the white heads and black specks. This helped me the most.

If these thing are blood born or somehow get into the bloodstream as TED thinks they might be. Then you will have to kill them internally as well as externally.

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Hello, I just read all of the things you tried for the bird mites in your scalp. I was just wondering if you ever tried crushed cloves of garlic? I saw an episode of monsters inside me where they said that garlic gets rid of most parasites and infections so maybe it would work for that as well. Didnt see it mentioned so figured I would chime in my suggestion. Hope you find relief. Also maybe DMSO combined with somethings you've already used would allow for greater penetration and absorption of the other remedies to better work on your scalp. Its Aug. 2013 now. Did you ever get it taken care of?

Sorry this is a long one guys, but I really hope it helps. I don't have a clue as to where I got Scabies from but it really irritates me. I know it was an accident and no one is to blame, but I hate those little mosters! I was able to catch them early on and went to the interwebs to find out why the area around my ankles were so damn itchy and found out that is was scabies. I was not a happy critter and wanted then gone. Now. After reading all of the horror stories with doctors misdiagnosing and things getting worse, I went the natural route. That first day I stripped all of my bedding and threw it in the sanitary cycle in my washer then filled a bottle with bleach and water to spray down the matress, box spring, and bed frame. I let all of that dry and used a spare bed set to cover the bed, just the fitted sheats and a blanket along with the pillowcases so I wouldn't have so much laundry. I dried everything on high heat and set them in a plastic tub to alternate with the other bedding and changed it every morning, spraying down the mattress again each time.

I've been showering everyday and using a borax scrub in the shower along with a tea tree bar of soap and then a lavender bar of soap. I air dried and then spray myself with a borax/water/peroxide mixture and then let that dry. Before I got into bed, even just sitting down, I would spray it down and let that dry before doing so and also sprayed the pillows on both sides. After getting bedding into the laundry every mornig and spraying down the mattress I would vacuum the carpets very well and use the bleach spray on doorhandles that I've touched before jumping into the shower as described and then putting on the alternate bedding.

The other night I realized how dry my skin was getting and it was only making the itch worse so I ran into the bathroom and took a quick shower with my lavender soap to wash off the dried spray. Instead of using the spray on my skin I only use it on the bedding and use a coconut oil/tea tree/peppermint oil for my skin right when I get out of the shower, whenever I feel an itch and before I go to sleep. I have hardly had any problems with itching since switching to the coconut oil. Make sure to get it all over the place and maybe keep a separate jar for your face with more coconut oil in it so it's not as potent, don't get it in your eyes of course. I've only got them on my outer forearms and inner ankles up to about mid calf. I've only had it for a week or so and it's already starting to get way better, the bumps are going away and it's not nearly as itchy as it had been before. I was super lucky that I caught it so early and was able to keep the little bastards from spreading. Good luck everyone who has these monsters and I hope you get rid of then soon, they're awful and I havwn't even had them for very long! I used a 24oz spray bottle

Bleach spray: 1Ts for every 12oz of water

Borax/peroxide/water spray: 2Ts of each for every 6oz of water

Coconut oil mix: I did about 2c of oil and 50drops tea tree and 25drops of peppermint. I would add 1/4c of coconut oil if you're goin to use a different jar for the face and ears.

Craig has been the most right on, honest response I've read and identified with. I've been dealing with all sorts of "natural" treatments for months now and I seem to finally be learning whats happening, especially after reading his thoughts and experiences.

I have found the best success making a water spray with MSM (sulfur) which I cover my whole body with, let dry into white crystal form and wait for about 30 min and then cover my body again with clove oil mixed into coconut oil base. My mix is pretty extreme but I dose it up with about 140plus drops in 3 oz coconut oil. It seems to get rid of the itchy irratation and cause all the bumps to stop growing, no trails after a couple days of that. The bumps I do have all end up more of a sore with a small scab (bugs crawling out?! ). However, almost two weeks after doing this I started slowing up on the intensity of treatment (just doing it once in the morning and once before bed instead of staying covered all day) and all of a sudden I got attacked again. I did change some things like diet, got slack and ate a pint of ice cream, also got a sandwich with lots of cheese on it (i don't think wheat or dairy or sugar is good for me already).. I was also using tea tree oil after a shower, before a bath in epsom salt and sometimes clove bud tea concentrate in the bath.. Sometimes I cover my body with betonite clay for a while before this epsom salt bath.. Sometimes I grind oatmeal and water and add that to the bath. I did start exfoliating the couple days before the outbreak again which I stopped, that was just a rough hand mitt all over my body which felt good but may have disrupted something. Maybe it was good and I had to get the deep down suckers out. I'm back to minimal itch and not so much new bumps but still have these bumps and also notice some of the brown "moles" under my arm pits like craig was saying might be deep down burrows?

Either way, I think it's right on to get into better diet routine. My thoughts are maybe the eggs didn't die and all hatched about two weeks after a sulfur mineral springs bath I went to.. Not sure but would like others feedback.. I feel pretty intuitive and can figure out what is going on when I learn more about the life cycle.. Its just getting down to it and getting absolutely rid of these things.. I had high hopes but couldn't seem to get rid of them all before this last outbreak. I think if I keep up with the clove and coconut oil and sulfur spray however, hopefully I can catch and kill the eggs hatching before more eggs are laid?!

Craig: If you read this, i'd like to know how things are going for you, seems like you left that comment in January so it'd be good enough time to know if they are gone for good or you are still dealing with it.. My email is motabike(at)juno.com for anyone who wants to share useful info or needs more info from me.. Thanks

Scabies is the WORST thing to have ever happen to me! I tried the PERM & no results after a couple of days so I went to Google for some help and I found this site. I just want to say THANK U THANK U THANK U!!!!! I started taking the bathes with bleach & peroxide on a Sunday I started seeing results the very next day! These little suckers started working overtime due to me messing with their new found environment (my body) but I hung in there and got creative. After my bath I sprayed myself with bleach water and apply tea tree oil all over. In the morning I would get in the shower spray my body with peroxide, rub citrus dish detergent all over my body let it sit for a couple of minutes, rinse then wash as normal with Dial body wash (antibacteria) I even washed my hair with the dish detergent and dipped head in my bath water. Wash everything or throw away! I even started spraying my body with alcohol after my showers and applied the tea tree oils. Spray ur bed every time u planned on laying down with bleach water & putting plastic to cover ur mattresses is highly recommended! Wash everything and clean everything! I sprayed my floors and walls with bleach water for the first to days then I started every other day. I also wore latex gloves to keep down on wiping everything I touched. Don't forget ur car! I cleaned and sprayed my truck with a Ortho beg spray from Home Depot ever night and don't forget the seat belts. It's a extreme pain, but it works! Listerine or any mouthwash works as well. DON'T GIVE UP! I've been doing this for a wk now and my old spots are clearing up and new spots are becoming a sweet memory!

The remedies above will help over time but nothing is instant. Remember they are in your skin and your skin must grow them out. Keep this routine up and you will feeling better every week. Also use more salt if you need too. Salt is the key.

I have had the scabies mess for three years. My daily routine has been to

1. Wash with coconut milk soap. After I shower rinse my body with 3 or 4 cups of (half a cup of salt in water and a cup of apple cider vinegar) mix and then I air dry (sleep like a baby).

2. In the morning rub Tea Tree oil on wait 20 minutes and rub Coconut Hair Dressing on in the morning.

3. Wash your hair with Denorex and then Coconut shampoo. Lastly rinse your hair with the same mix above (do not rinse it out- leave it in your hair - the vinegar smell will go away). Style your hair however you like after that.

I hope it helps someone.

How are you now? Please tell me cured? We are at wits end with this mess, I could use some sould advise and a little help.

Thank God for this site!!! My 16 yr old was itching really bad then I ended up with itching we were both broke out with red bumps all over us and intense itching It was so depressing:( I found this site through yahoo and I read dozens of peoples posts on here. That lead me to go out and buy a box of Borax and bottles of peroxide I ran a tub of the hottest water I could stand and put 1 cup of borax in with 2 cups of peroxide as soon as I got in the tub and layed down I was rubbing my legs etc and it felt like I could literally feel gritty stuff or bugs come off I have not been diagnosed by my doctor until tomorrow but I was researching my symptoms on the internet seems like I have all the symptoms as scabies:(:( I'm going 2 continue treating us 2x a day with the borax and peroxide baths and wash laundry and bedding daily thanks 2 every 1 that posted on here which helped me treat my son and I until our doctor appt.

I used Lufenuron (aka Dimilin) to get rid of candida by inhibiting the chitin layer from developing, or weakening it. It is used on pets to rid them of fleas in the same manner. I bought one order that contained a small amount of Lufenuron (less than 1/4 Cup) and the directions say to take 1/3 per day for three successive days, mixed in mashed potatoes, applesauce or yogurt (or something similar) along with a high fat meal. It is stored in the fat cells and slowly released over a 2 week period. Since mites have a chitin layer, I am assuming it could work with them, as well. It is harmless and you can take several courses in a row without harm. (if you need to get rid of fleas and then the eggs, too) I think it is possible to have a herxheimer reaction as a result of the die off, but I did not. It was $27 per treatment. Best wishes!

How do you use the Dimilin on humans?

Robert Henry, If the mites have a chitin layer, and a quick search seems to indicate that they do, perhaps consider Lukenuron, a safe to use, chitin inhibitor. It is harmless to humans and animals, does not let the mite, fea or even candida make the chitin layer that is needed for survival, thereby killing it. There is an overseas company that sells it, and soon a company in Mexico is supposed to start selling another safe version. The chemical name is Dimilin, but the Lufenuron version is pharmacy grade and safe. Best wishes!

Since it's all-over, try one of the bath remedies, such as adding to the bathwater bleach, peroxide or borax. Also coconut oil slathered all over works well. Apply liberally as needed. For the first week or so, youl'll want to bathe about 30 minutes afterwards bc it really does wipe them out and bring them to the surface. You'll be able to tell because while the oil is working, they will show near the spots as black or grey flecks. This is just a thought, but I am wondering if a sauna would help. I got these real bad a few years back after accutane dried out all my membranes and gave me the flakies. Now, I use coconut oil locally (on the spots) to keep any recurrances under control.

HI U GOD FEARING PEOPLE DOIN, , , , , , , ,

I am at my ropes end. As ya'll know I fought cancer and defeated that by natural means. I have fought demodex mites and they finally hit the trail. I am now doing a bout with a different kind of mite and this bugger is about to get the best of me. I went to an orthopedic doctor in Chattanooga about a month ago and he told me that my arthritic Knee was about a 5 on the scale of 10 and I would have to suffer through it. He gave me a Nisaid gel and when I used it, all heck broke loose.

It turned loose all the mites that I have harbored for a period of time. Since then the scabies has spread over my entire body and Bill and Ted's remedies are of little use. They are taking a knife to a gun fight. I have tried all the Big Pharma stuff and now am into double that and into the Farm Co-op stuff for your horses and that is twice the strength of what a doctor would give you. At 76, I have been down some dusty roads, but this is one of the most interesting.

When you read about what folks say who have these devils, you kind of laugh. Get these buggers and you will appreciate what they are going through. I am going to my family doctor Monday but he won't know dip sheet. I have been on the internet for two weeks and now I am going to the second strongest insecticide that you can use and still not die. My next insecticide is Malathion, and that will be from my garden stuff and not from Big Pharma. I will kill these mites and then detox from the insecticide that I had to use. In the old days they called this , the seven year itch, and now I know why it was called that. This itch will put you into a tall pine tree.

So when you read a cry from someone wanting help, don't laugh, but just be thankful that these things have not hit you yet.

I am an old Chemical Engineer and I know the dangers of insecticides , but I am convinced that is the only hope for this problem. It may be stupid, but it is not as stupid and chemo and radiation for cancer. Now, that is double stupid.

Wish me luck and if my radical stuff works I'll get back to you. Your ole wore out buddy.... ROBERT HENRY...

Those pieces of sand can also feel like glass, I've experienced those as well as seen black dots and tiny mites, I presume its all the same crap. I've been battling this for years. I think its gone but it isn't. It just shows up in another area. Its working on my ears and causing my lobes to swell up. At one point my ear looked like it was encased in a slippery looking skin. I've tried sulpher mixed with cream, bad reaction. I use borax in bath, helps keep me somewhat free, but tons of brown age spots, which I believe are result of the horrible mite. I use pine needle oil mixed with a carrier oil and it helps, also take wild yam herb another known scabies killer. I'm going to buy the cream and apply to skin, particulary ears. And use pinesol cleaner, it really works, but, its a tiresome job, My other next purchase will be silicone cream and Results lice killer to apply to head and skin. Learned about it on British website, called Full Marks. God Bless in your endeavors and give you favour in finding freedom from this nasty menace.