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One method I found to help with clothing, especially shoes and belts, was freezing them for at least 10 minutes. Extreme changes in temperatures kill the mites but hot baths were too drying on my husband's skin and made the problem worse. His flaky dry skin was harboring the bugs and one peroxide/borax treatment overnight ended our war!
I hope this helps anyone dealing with this and know you are not dirty for keeping scabies. There is not enough information or research from the local USA doctor community to help adults with this disease.
They are definitely visible if one looks closely and uses a method that is liquidy so that they climb out as they die. Creams are too thick for them to climb out so they die without being as visible. Carrier oils with essential oils, Aloe Vera juice with essential oils, borax and peroxide (in a bath or simply applied from a container with the mixture), alcohol and essential oils, or bathing in diluted bleach (strong pool water) or diluted non-chlorine bleach (releases peroxide) ... will all force them out and kill them, and then they absolutely are visible.
Even repeatedly rubbing the stronger isopropyl alcohol (or other) with essential oils (tea tree, cedar, clove, orange, rosemary, and/or others) on the skin where they are known to be will immediately get them out and they can be felt on the skin and seen.
That some comment that it is"cruel to mention one can see them, simply shows one does not know or have experience in understanding the difference between what happens when an effective remedy works, and when one is infested and untreated.
Tiny flecks of black can be seen in bath water as it drains out as well if the treatment is effective and if you look very closely.
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It is gentler on the skin than chlorine, for sure.
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Even with a bleach bath (or any other treatment that people say failed), we have to look at what amount of bleach is used in a tub of water.
Right drug/treatment (chlorine bleach or non-chlorine bleach) Some have used non-chlorine bleach as well with good results as it releases hydrogen peroxide into the water and kills the mites
Dose: (two cups in a full tub of water, but make sure to pour the bleach liquid or powder into the water so it mixes thoroughly and dissolves (if powder) before you get in. That applies to essential oils, borax, epsom salts as well. This way, the solution is dilute enough to avoid harming the skin by having too strong a solution (or oil) on the skin initially. No need to be harsh to the skin (even with bleach that is thought to be harsh; it will be like strong pool water and should not burn the skin; if there are many scabies and it's a first treatment, you will feel where they are as they succumb).
Timing: in this treatment involves how long one stays in the bath. That should be as long as you can up to an hour, but at least 30 minutes. And the interval: daily for a few days at least.
Some suggest leaving the bleach on the skin and air drying. Others have rinsed off after the bath and dried, and then applied something soothing: as bleach can really dry out the skin, an excellent way to soothe the skin while continuing to treat is to use aloe vera juice with a few drops each of essential oils (there are many variations. One is clove, cedarwood, and rosemary. Others like clove and tea tree or orange. Whatever is convenient. Neem oil is excellent.)
The route is topical as the bath water covers the skin and the treatment (non-chlorine or chlorine bleach) penetrates to kill the mites.
If too little (of any treatment) is used, then it won't work. How do you know you have scabies? Aside from the intense itching felt to be from within the skin, and piercing bites there, one can look for bumps on the skin. If you don't see any bumps, take the bath and soak for a while and feel the skin surface all over. Any bumps even on the bottom of feet or on the fingers should be inspected. If there are a few in a row, that is indicative of scabies tracks made. These are actually holes in the surface of the skin that appear as bumps but when soaked for a while the holes can be detected/felt.
In a bleach bath (or other treatment using essential oils, epsom salts/borax in a bath) you will see tiny specks. Those are the scabies mites that died and left ... so you then know the treatment is working.
Clove Oil
When pest control companies are brought in to treat for fleas, ticks, or mange when there are dogs, one of the first things they say is to treat the area where the dog sleeps, because the parasites are there, and eggs may also be there. With humans, the same holds true: the bed must be treated (spraying with a dilute ammonia solution will definitely kill them) and covering the bed with plastic is a good precaution (as well as washing the sheets every day in hot/drying on hottest setting).
Many simply treat successfully only to reinfest themselves over and over again because they didn't pay attention to treating the bed itself, under the sheets! You have pointed out something that is vital!
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The borax and hydrogen peroxide baths (or application of a solution of the same to the entire body) are also very helpful. Baths can help because going through this is exhausting and taking a bath can be a time to re-charge and rest which is so much needed.
It has been mentioned that instead of soaking in a bathtub where larger amounts of borax and hydrogen peroxide would need to be used (or bleach in this example), one can get a container that would hold a few cups of liquid and mix the ingredients being used there, apply the solution over one's entire body from top of head to bottom of feet with a small face cloth.
A carrier oil can be used with several drops of essential oils (like Clove, Peppermint, Orange, Lavender, Tea Tree) and the oil, again, applied to every square inch of the body (being careful not to get any in the eyes). Anyone who says the mites do not go to the head are ignorant.
Oil application can work for a while, but then the pores of the skin can get clogged. Clearing that off by washing with peppermint (or tea tree, for example) castile soap and then drying off and applying a solution of aloe vera juice (100% with nothing else added in the bottle from the manufacturer) or gel, mixed with the same several essential oils (a few drops each of clove, peppermint, orange, tea tree, for example in a cup or two, depending upon how large your body is) and apply that all over from top to bottom.
Aloe Vera will be soothing to the skin and healing. This can be repeated several days in a row if necessary.
Also, one can purchase a skin lotion (choose one that is easily absorbable into the skin that does not set up a greasy barrier), dilute it somewhat with water to make it easier to apply and so it stays wet longer, and put some clove oil into that. Such a skin lotion can be applied during the day to any spots that are itchy. Or you could cover the entire body with that at night before sleep for good results as well.
No one remedy alone may be best because the skin can only take so much of certain treatments. One has to find balance and soothe the skin while still treating.
One should know that any spots that are itchy are probably scabies larva or eggs and any sites that are sharply biting are adults. Apply the lotion with the clove oil (and some other essential oils if you like) to those spots when you can't treat the entire body. Pay especial attention to locations where skin folds are found, even tiny cracks on the feet or hands and rub the lotion in during the day, or as needed. (If you cannot tolerate clove oil, then use one of the others such as orange oil, tea tree, peppermint, lavender that help).
Keep it up. You will find relief, but reinfestation is the greater problem: cleaning the environment, changing the sheets, washing in hot water with borax and ammonia, etc are absolutely necessary. A solution of water with a little ammonia will kill any mites probably more effective than strong isopropyl alcohol solution, but either will work so long as you keep at it.
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I have tried bleach bath alone but hasn't worked.
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With regard to essential oils, for example, they can be applied in a bath but some people put too much in and their skin is "burned" or irritated. Some have pointed out that to evenly distribute essential oils in a bath, drip the oils onto the epsom salts and borax powders, and then spread those powders into the bath water for an even distribution that won't burn the skin.
Other methods are using Aloe Vera gel which is ideal because it remains liquid for longer than gelled alcohol hand cleaner and can carry the essential oils into the skin, while also having its own anti-parasitic action.
One can also create one's own lotion with any lotion that you tolerate well and is absorbed well into the skin, but dilute it somewhat so it is more liquid than originally, and stir in the essential oils. This can be rubbed into the skin all over the body and left on overnight, as well as spot treatment for areas that are especially itchy.
However, we should not make the mistake many make to think that the mites exist only where it itches; there are many, many more spread around and this becomes obvious any time you use a remedy that causes the mites to release themselves from the skin and die; the adults become visible as tiny dark specks that can be felt when rubbing the liquidy Aloe Vera gel/essential oil or lotion on.
There is no need to poison oneself with neurologically damaging conventional remedies, mistakenly thinking the docs know better. They don't and have no clue what is really going on. Ted is right that these "nano-insects" of various sorts are being made to be increasingly resistant to conventional remedies.
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After experimenting, I found that diluting with a carrier oil worked, but diluting with Aloe Vera Gel or liquid was much more effective and almost instant.
Bathing in the epsom salts and borax as Ted mentions is helpful, but a rapid solution is to:
Mix together:
1 1/2 - 2 cups of Aloe Vera Gel and adds
2 drops orange oil,
2 drops peppermint oil,
3 drops, clove oil,
and 2 drops tea tree oil,
mixing that liquid in a small tray or container, then while you are DRY standing in the shower/tub (so the solution is not diluted by water on your body) apply that with a small face cloth, dripping on top of one's head, covering every single part of your body systematically. Rub it in and you will see them leave (and yes you can see the adult form). Continue to rub that in and after 20 minutes rinse your whole body.
Repeat the above process immediately again. (and a 3rd time if you are still seeing them leave but it will probably not be necessary).
Of course, as Ted has instructed, cleaning up the environment as noted throughout EarthClinic so as to prevent reinfestation is very important. But at least you will feel normal again and they will be gone. I would repeat the above process (one application) a few days in a row, and once a week while continuing to clean the environment, vacuuming, etc.
There is hope and natural treatments definitely can eradicate scabies. There is no doubt! Hang in there!
Clove Oil
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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0012079
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I tried everything I ever heard of, for some years. The hair dryer worked! Just keep using it whenever you have an itch. Maybe every day for a while. It works! I don't know how you get kids to do it though. Maybe a little at a time.
Hope the kids are OK and you don't have to worry about them.
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Permethrin
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btw what God designed these creatures...i really cant understand that.
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Some people also said white vinegar mix of 50/50 in your cloths in hot wash and dryer on high for 30 minutes...
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On a side note, been dealing with scabies for many months and I have used lots of remedies, including daily use of Permethrin, high dose Ivermectin (1.8X dose every other day), sulphur, Neem oil, turpentine, DMSO, and the list goes on.
Recently I saw a few people say they had success with infrared sauna - so I started doing that at a facility several days ago and bought one too (arrives in a couple days), and after reading a lot of forums and comments over the last many months, just now am seeing the bleach/borax/hydrogen peroxide bath routine. Lots of success stories. So, I'm on it - but would love to know which brand of bleach everyone is using. As a natural living type of a person, I prefer the least toxic version.
The infrared sauna is helping, and it up regulates immune function and I have more energy. Not fully covinced though that it is clearing scabies, but, I feel better at least. Once the sauna arrives I'll be doing it morning and night.
I have had some success putting a mixure of tourpetine and DMSO (with a 5:1 ratio, respectively) directly on the scabie wounds using cotton tips, but it is not the end all be all cure, that's for sure.
I was gung ho about neem oil becase it is supposed to stop scabie reproduction, and it's been used successfully in India, but, after a few days I started to have a reaction.
My skin absolutely reacts horribly to tea tree oil.
I can handle small amounts of suplhur cream, but not a lot.
The Kleen Green I'm disappointed in - I used that for many weeks, starting at the 1:7 dilution, then to 1:5, then to 1:3. I stopped for a few weeks. Now I'm using it straight since I can't do neem oil. I figure that's better than nothing. (It's supposed to cause them to molt early, killing them indirectly.)
Weak immune function doesallow them to proliferate - I recommend Vitamin C IVs if you can afford them. Administered by naturopathic doctors or integrative medical doctors. They super charge the immune system - also needed to fight the scabies.
And of course, everything is washed every day; everywhere is vacuumed every day. The one area I'm neglecting is my car - I need to get on that.
This is an all consuming war.
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Borax and Baking Soda Scrub
Worked for me but I had to shave.
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dyna gro neem oil hot baths, kleen free spraying after baths, tea tree oil or kleen free dabs on itching
1 use linens, towels, clothes and extra 30 minutes in dryer for wet laundry; only 30 minutes for clean laundry/ linens (takes 20 minutes high heat to kill the mite and dryer cools down the last 10 minutes of cycle).mite proof mattress and pillow encasements- Bedical brand
massive cleaning of course, storing lots of extra things especially fabrics, dehumidifier especially in the storage room,
after treating for a couple of weeks and extremely dry skin (humidity keeps them alive so didn't want any lotion) started using grape seed oil with tea tree oil after bath and continued with kleen free spot spraying through day. This and the guided imagery was such a relief.
** Listened to guided imagery- was critical for resilience and physical healing- I fell asleep to it- free at kp.org/listen podcasts for immune system, stress, pain, sleep.
steam cleaning (a real hot steam cleaner, not just hot water), carpets and upholstered furniture, dunked the cat in a Kleen free bath (which she took in stride, pets can carry them like a rug even though the mites don't bite them) and DE powder (with masks because of superfine powder can aggravate breathing even though it's non toxic) on carpets and places we couldn't steam clean right before leaving for vacation for a week (I believe I was scabies free by then and just suffering from side effects of Rx, super hot drying baths, etc, but brought new mattress encasement and my own bedding, furniture covers and cleaned with kleen free)
also used sulfur and mineral soap and shampoo on myself and son, but not sure how they figured into cure
I'm very fortunate to have been able to afford all these things, and lucky our vacation timed with needing to get out of the house. If you can't do all of these I'd say to: use clothes and linens once only before cleaning or drying, 30 minutes drying already dry linens and clothes, storage of extra things, dusting and vacuuming your butt off, kleen free and dehumidifyer, and the Free guided imagery. Tea tree oil hot baths (Radha is good quality and value on amazon) and sulfur soap worked for my son but not me. I also drank Lots of water and more veggies, vitamin C
sending love and wishing you and yours health and comfort
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Thanks for the info.
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Your sauna reaches 180' F. Great. That is the appropriate temp for ANY sauna for recreational use. That doesn't mean your skin temp goes that high.
Our skin temperature (down where the mites are hiding) do not reach high enough temperatures to kill the little bastards. Your body self regulates and cools itself thru sweating, circulating cooler internal blood to your extremities, etc.
If you actually got the deeper layers of your skin heated enough to kill the scabies, you would be subjecting your skin to burns.
I explained how hot water can burn your skin. You disregarded that, saying you were talking about air temp. That doesn't matter. If you got the deeper layers of your skin hot enough to kill scabies, you burn your skin.
The sauna method does NOT work without harming the person trying it.
Niacin
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Borax your clothes on hot. Clean your space thoroughly. Clip your nails. Buy a sulfur cream (also very effective at control but not eradication) and use it on the bites daily to keep them in check. But Niacin is the thing.
Be aware, 500mgs of FLUSHING niacin can be very uncomfortable. It is recommended not to take it on an empty stomach and it makes most people feel very warm. I believe it is this flush that creates the efficacy. We took it before bed so that we were asleep before the discomfort arose. You will be amazed how easily this works. Please repost after curing yourselves to that this becomes common knowledge and people don't have to suffer with these evil little mites!
I tried lots of things and especially from this site. Including the cayenne you mentioned. (That was interesting.) OK, what works is a hair dryer, hot and as long as you can take it. You feel them die. The live red goes away. I think for 2 or 3 years I was still worried, every little itch, the hair dryer came out. You have to keep doing it as there must be eggs and maybe places you miss.
Good news - I am completely free of them and what a relief! Normal life again. I realize this would be difficult with children.
I thought of this because we use clothes dryers to kill them. This method works!
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That's what I'm hearing from those who use it. One farm guy cuts it out of the tube it comes in, mixes it with mineral oil, and uses it as a spray on his livestock for anything having to do with the skin. Cuts, scrapes, rashes, bald spots and hot spots, mites, mange and fleas on his dogs as well as strays. Also heard that it is instant relief and fast elimination for poison ivy. Can't wait to get it! I kinda wish I had an itch! I might have some poison ivy out back....I'll have to check.
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I too thought I had scabies and for three months spent a fortune trying to clean everything, and washing sheets and everything I touched continuously. I went to the hospital twice and my doctor and they all said I had scabies. After three months of this and treating it with the prescription they gave me. I also read on Earth Clinic the accounts of others plagued with this horrible curse. I finally went to the hospital again and told them if they could not get rid of this thing that I was going to have a breakdown. The doctor that saw me said that he thought that I did not have scabies and sent me to a dermatologist.The dermatologist told me I did not have scabies...I had eczema. He gave me a prescription of a cortisone type cream and in 4 days all my symptoms were gone. I have never had any kind of experience like that again. Before you have to move go to a dermatologist first. My heart and prayers are with you.
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Ted's famous borax and hydrogen peroxide remedy in the Pets (mange) section has been used around the world for 15 years now and cured thousands of dogs. Post any questions for our amazing pet contributor, Theresa from MN, to answer.
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I am now suffering with this last bout for the past 3 months. I am devoting most of my life to this battle. I believe scabies is an auto immune issue. I read that people lik me have too many T cells and not enough B cells and our skin can't fight off the infection.
I am doing much what you have said and very depressed. I wonder if there is somewhere I could go in house to receive in house treatment. Will do anything to wake up from this nightmare. I do not sleep in my bed with my significant other. He has 0symptoms. I sleep on the sofa covered with plastic and wash the sheets covering the sofa in hot water with borax and dry in hottest temp for 1 hr daily. My dog, that I do not touch anymore without gloves, and I will be taking Ivermectin at the same time and moving out the house. I have bought plastic shoes, and new clothes for the move. I am retired and fortunately do not have to work. I feel for those younger, and working and on a budget, because I can barely stand it and have the resources to deal with it
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Thanks for posting about the far-infrared sauna eradicating the mites. I'm all the sudden suffering from this, and I would appreciate if you would let me know the protocol you used (what temp (120,130?) how long at time (I'm guessing at least 30 minutes) did it take a few days, weeks, etc to get rid of the problem?
We found a place to take a far-infrared sauna, but I'm guessing we might need to get our own -- thanks for the referral.
David
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I had forgotten about beating my body with a birch branch to draw my blood to the surface. A sauna over there is a form of socializing. All the hotels have a public sauna and I would never go to one again. The place is saturated with all the toxins from thousands of people's sweat. I was learning in those days.
Read that both the Saunas in the US and Canada are restricted to not exceed 194 F. Here is a good sauna URL for folks that want to learn more. ======ORH=======
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If you go back in the EC archives you will read where I cured my skin mites with my FIR sauna after my doctors failed. A FIR sauna penetrates your body by 1 1/2", and that is the reason I converted my Finish sauna to a FIR years ago. I did this procedure after I read where mites die at 120 degrees.
Brian, I love you, but you are putting out stuff that you have no clue. I have been in sauna's in Finland that were above 180 degrees and got a certificate to prove it.
I'm roughing you up and the EC bosses don't like that, but I think you will take this like a man and understand that you need to research some more. Folks take what is posted on EC as gospel. I can promise you that some are good and some are not. Know your poster.
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I'm a huge fan of saunas, but not as a scabies cure.
Acapulco Leaves
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They do change the sheets, but not the spread or the pillows, or the carpet. I can understand wanting to run from it, but we need to think of others. Just sayin'
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Suggest you read the book written by Ron L. Hubbard who came up with a sauna detox for his LSD friends. They were in the sauna for hours on end... for weeks, and using flushing niacin.
Excuse my reply, but you hit a nerve. Your chart is about hot water, my experience is about a sauna.
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Table of Hot Water Scalding Temperatures and Times:
| Water Temperature Setting | Exposure Time | Effects of Exposure to Hot Water at High Temperatures on adult skin |
|---|---|---|
| 100 deg F or below | Most water heaters are unlikely to scald an adult occupant | |
| 120 deg F | 5 minutes | 2nd & 3rd degree burns on adult skin |
| 130 deg F | 30 seconds | 2nd & 3rd degree burns on adult skin |
| 140 deg F | 5 seconds | 2nd & 3rd degree burns on adult skin |
|
150 deg F |
1.5 seconds | 2nd & 3rd degree burns on adult skin |
| 160 deg F | 5 seconds | 2nd & 3rd degree burns on adult skin |
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I then read that they die at 120 + degrees. I just happen to have a FIR sauna and cranked that bugger up to 160 to 180 degrees. We bagged all clothes and bedding in plastic bags daily and scalded the little bastards daily in the wash.
What you have is a chore on your hands and you can not half-ass it, least you spend years on this project. We shucked these rascals in a few weeks.
Usually when someone says they are treating a friend, who they mean is themselves. You amongst friends, so speak freely. I wish you well.
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PS. I was reared in Crossett and pull for the Razorbacks. Whoo Pig Shooeee.
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Sulphur
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I went to the dr a couple days ago for what I had assumed was hives due to a bug bite (I was thinking maybe an ant.) The doctor barely looked at me and just agreed with my suggestion. Turns out it wasn't an ant bite and resulting hives, because this isn't an allergic reaction. I've had those before to medicines, and the steroids always help quickly. I will keep on the steroid, simply because that is also part of the protocol that can be used for scabies - which is what I now assume this is.
Anyway, if you look under the hives section of EC, you'll see that toothpaste has been used before I tried it. I believe that person used a very different brand, and didn't mention it being whitening. If I were you, I'd just try what toothpaste you already use. I've also seen suggestions for mouthwash and am wondering if that and toothpaste share some ingredient that's helpful. That may be my next try. Good luck to you, and all of us.
African Black Soap
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Use African black soap on body and hair. Will kill the eggs and the mites instantly. First few times you lather up your skin will feel a burning sensation where there are openings on your skin. There will be a major 'dry-off' of the areas infected on your skin. First time you use the soap you may want to pause from using it again for a couple days. As your skin heals and mites disappear, you can use it daily. Use a shea butter based lotion daily. You will feel relief right away. You will sleep better right away. Check with med professional before using on children.
Good luck and God Bless.
Hydrogen Peroxide, Zinc Oxide Ointment
I don't think I have scabies, yet. I found out my niece was on the street for like 6 months. I brought her to my home a few weeks ago. No a lot of physical contact which is good, turned out she has scabies. I did wash all her sheets. I have given her 2 Nix treatments. Her friend can only afford 1 so I will pay for the second treatment for her friend.
I am allergic to most medications. I've tried the sauna heat. I am going to try a hot bath with HP, Borax, Japanese Mint Oil (Like Vick's) and then cover myself with hydrogen peroxide and then smother myself & the mites (if I have them) with Vaseline.
At least the first week my niece stayed at a friends house mostly. And I traced the source and how they have been playing (ping-pong) with this scabies for the last 6 months. Pray for me that I just have Hypochondria (not Mitochondria - sorry for this really bad pun, scabies ain't fun! ) from googling all this scabies information and not actual scabies...
Clove Oil
Clove Oil
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I've had scabies before, thought they were just mosquito bites at the time as I'd never heard of scabies. after a week of not going to doc or being diagnosed, the mites had a chance to multiply so it got pretty bad. finally went to doc, got permethrin cream and did that 2x, but lived in the hell of wrapping everything in plastic, not sleeping at night due to the itching, constantly laundry, etc. in between the permethrin cream dosages (a week apart, I believe), I did clove oil after doing tons of online research and learning of the australian study that said clove oil diluted kills even permethrin resistant scabies in 15 minutes. I wasn't taking any chances, so I used clove oil diluted with grapeseed oil, wasn't sure of dosage to use at the time, and still used permethrin. after 2nd treatment of permethrin (which made me feel dizzy, I later heard it's a neurotoxin and poisonous to cats but I wouldn't deter a human from using it! ) they were all gone. also was told that you couldn't get scabies from dogs, and I now know that is incorrect. Dogs can have mange, and you can get it - scabies. I am an animal caretaker.
Anyway, so that scabies was cured almost a year ago. then a few nights ago, I started itching. I knew what it was right away. it started in my pelvis, and that's where it started last time. no way in heck was I going to wait to go to doc, I knew what it was and wanted to kill those buggers ASAP. I took 100% clove oil and grapeseed oil and mixed them in a bowl- in the ratio of 3 Tablespoons grapeseed oil and one tablespoon clove oil, mixed and applied all over my body. I love the smell. I had to go to the Er for something else (really rough week ha! ) and the doc was like wow, it doesn't even look like scabies. We knew it was because of one burrow. I said, wow, maybe clove oil really did kill them all! (She also confirmed you CAN get it from dogs.) I've been applying the clove/grapseed oil mix twice a day and putting diatomaceous earth on the bed. I can't guarantee they are gone for sure, I guess I need more time to do that, but this scabies experience is nothing like last time. I am not up all night scratching, not scratching at all. I already have giant plastic bags at my house. if you want to cover your bed in plastic, get that stuff at the dollar store, save yourself some money. instead of going crazy washing everything I am just storing them in giant Ziplock bags for 3 days so the scabies dies.
Anyway you can get 100% clove oil for cheap on the internet, as well as grapeseed oil. I am always going to keep them in stock now because with all these dogs, it looks like I may be getting it a lot.
This "meditate your scabies away" bullpuckey needs to stop, now. Someone may take it seriously.
Tape, Sulphur
Tape, Sulphur
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I bought 1kg sulpher powder from eBay...Every night I put it on my body after a shower and also on my eyebrows...It was working slowing but the bugs would scramble into my nose, on my eyelashes and hair...It was like a never ending story until I found one thing that has more or less got rid of them. Cello/sticky tape!
After putting on the sulpher, I would wait a minute and then run a piece of tape across my eyelashes..Do it very gently and pull from the inside out slowly...Do both lashes and then proceed to your eyebrows, from the outside in this time...Don't worry, you wont lose any eyelashes or brows if you do it this way and slowly...I was doing it 3/4 times a day and you will be surprised how many stick to the tape....Next and just as important, run you vacuum nozzle over your hair daily for just a few minutes and this will suck up any in your hair...Try and get lengths of hair shaft.
Next and equally important, vacuum your mattress and rub the sulpher into it and place a sheet on top..I did this twice, about three days in between.
Back to the tape..I used darker pillow cases so I could see the bugs..They were mostly white and ran the tape over my pillow cases (with pillows on) every day...You will see them sitting on the pillow cases..You can use wider tape or thinner tape but try and buy a good quality one as it has much more adhesive to pick up the bugs...I do this every day as they will keep coming back but they wont get a chance to lay eggs...I also run the tape over my face and caught a huge one in it..
No need to wash bedding every single day in hot water as it's time consuming and who has time to do that...The bugs have almost gone and my skin is clearing up and that terrible itch has subsided to zero...The tape combined with the sulpher is the key...Keep it up for months, even when the itch stops so you completely break the cycle..Dip your finger in the sulpher and place it inside your nose..It wont hurt you and they will come out..Have your tape ready and place some over your upper lip as well to lift any that have fallen out of your nose...This really works as I'm almost cured and you wont have to go through all those expensive creams and lotions or maddeningly washing your bed linen daily..Plus, it's easy and you will get great pleasure seeing those disgusting pests stuck to the tape..Make sure you fold the tape over its self to trap them and dispose of them into the rubbish bin..I keep a plastic bag to throw the used tape into it.
After 3 months of this, I feel great again..I wish I bought the tape months ago. Good luck everyone and you will get rid of it like I did.
Bleach and Water
Bleach and Hydrogen Peroxide Soak
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Finally tonight I gave up and we tried the bleach and peroxide bath. I put 1 cup of bleach and 1/2 cup peroxide in a full tub of water as hot as I could stand it. As soon as I sat down I felt instant relief. The itching stopped immediately and I could feel my skin no longer feeling like I have things crawling all over me. I soaked for 20 min then got out and air dryed. I have also used the same amount in a spray bottle and sprayed all my furniture and bed.
Will continue to do this and hope they go away.
Multiple Remedies
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I then took baths in 1 cup baking soda, 1 cup epsom salt & 1 cup borax and they relieve the itching greatly. I soak in it for at least 30 minutes. I use liquid neem soap and add tea tree oil to it that also helps. I use a bar of sulfur soap as well. I put the neem and tea tree body lotion on immediately after I bathe or shower.
I bought a bag of sulfur powder and mixed some in the liquid soap and this seemed to help. I am still battling with these hellish things and wanted to share what I have learned as well in hopes it may help someone. I have considered taking Ivermectin orally but there are a lot of side effects and I prefer natural sources, I may try the liquid on my skin.
I also tried taking neem leaf capsules orally because they are good for so many things including digestive and immune support but had a reaction to it so I stopped taking it. I am going to try adding peroxide to my bath as well. I just read where washing soda and baking soda create peroxide I am considering trying that as well.
I am open to anything natural that may work. Cayenne pepper is too harsh for my skin so that is out for me. I have had so many issues since December and it is now Feb 24th, so it is going on 3 months now, I wish I knew a way to kill the eggs before they hatch. I appreciate the former posts because it helps to know I am not alone in this war.
Sulphur
Multiple Remedies
Prescription Medications
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WORKED TEMPORARILY
Hot Cloths
Sulphur
Also, I applied neem oil to my hair to help end infestations. Although it smelled like weird peanut butter, it worked.
Bro John
Clove Oil
Sulphur
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This is what I did, and it worked.
The major problem was the scabies mites continued biting me and made it difficult to sleep. A minor problem was that I had other mites, ones that crawled in my hair, and others that crawled in my nose.
To kill scabies, I theorized that I had to keep something on my body all the time to kill the bugs and their eggs which hatch randomly, and it needed to be something non-poisonous and effective.
For me sulfur was the answer. I soaped my body with sulfur soap at the bugs' meal time, let it dry, coated myself with skin cream if my skin felt itchy and dry. Sometimes I did this twice a day, but I kept it on constantly. Sulfur has this advantage over permithrin, lindane, and ivermectin in that it has a comparatively low toxicity even though it does burn your eyes and makes you sneeze.
After four days, I felt only a few bites and little or no movement.
To aid the sulfur, I used tea tree oil full strength. I rubbed it on my hands and feet, legs and arms and anywhere else when I felt the buggers stinging me. Like clove oil, it has a short killing time. It doesn't last. However, unlike clove oil, it doesn't burn your skin at full strength and has a very low toxicity. Tea tree is a very effective "other" mite killer. It stopped the crawling mites at the first application. I used it in my hair, eyebrow (carefully) and in my nose (carefully).
Finally, I utilized a mix of hydrogen peroxide and borax to spray on furniture, bed, and floors to kill the stragglers. Just pour some hydrogen peroxide in a spray bottle, put in some borax, shake, and spray. It is an effective killer, but doesn't last long.
Sulfur is very good to put on carpets. It lasts a long time and kills the mites.
Also, I enclosed my mattress, box springs, and pillows with mite proof encasements. You must do this to succeed. I washed and dried bed clothes at high heat every other day. On the non-wash days, I dried them in the drier for a long time at high heat to kill the mites. I never wore clothes more than once without washing and drying them.
Finally, if I had a dirty laundry item I needed to wear immediately, I microwave them for 80 or so seconds. This is for emergency use only.
I wish you well.
Bro John
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Clove Oil
Indigo's Scabies Remedies
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Vaseline +
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WARNING!
Salicylic acid 3% (breaks down lesions, softens skin, assists exfoliation, softens keratin)
Clove oil (at least5%)
Liquid coal tar (7%) (decreases production of thick cells in the outer layer of the skin, helps with the shedding of layers of hyperkeratonic lesions)
Emulsifying ointment to make up the 100%
After the second dose the scabies really started falling out at an unfathomable level and the topical application has shed many layers of the lesions. I have read several medical articles about crusted scabies and ivermectin is unable to penetrate these thick, adhering lesions and so treatment must include the topical application, which I think may have the added benefit of drowning them. In the second week I realised that my toenails were thoroughly saturated with scabies and as the treatment broke them down it increasingly has taken on the appearance of the lesions on other parts of my body.
I'm posted this as I really don't want anyone to go through this experience to the extent that I have. If you have the lumps and you think you have cleared the infection but then find a breakout again and again (often posted in these sorts of threads as 're-infected') the truth is probably more likely to be that the scabies have been reproducing and spreading throughout your skin without your knowledge. I've studied these cases and this treatment can be successful. When scabies are in your nails the case studies reported suggest that it would take at least a month to get rid of them using the combinations of oral ivermectin and the use of the emulsified ointments. Salicylic acid is essential to the treatment.
Crusted scabies is commonly misdiagnosed. I have been going crazy as my doctor thinks I have a post-scabies allergic reaction (this is the scenario of typical scabies not when you know your skin is saturated with scabies). He sent me to a specialist after three years of treating each consultation about this as another infection. The specialist read the referral and said the same thing (i had an allergic reaction), refused to take a skin scraping (as does my doctor) and then prescribed 4 repeats of ivermectin (go figure! ). I have taken samples of the many droppings of things from my skin to the doctor who won't send them away for investigation. When reading about this it would appear that most cases like this would be quarantined in a hospital but here in Australia scabies is not considered an infectious disease. It would seem that may people in the medical profession have not ever seen a case of crusted scabies until the situation has reached a critical condition and just keep on parroting out the clinical description of an initial scabies infection and then if a patient gets chronic skin problems, prescribes cortisone treatments (which in the first year or so may temporarily mask the real cause of the skin disorder. (i noticed that some posts talk about an allergic reaction as the skin tries to recover - however if the skin is saturated with scabies it seems necessary to keep on treating the skin or things are only going to get worse)
I found one research article conducted in Australia where they said that skin samples revealed a selective auto-immune response where there was too may T-cells and an absence of B cells which resulted in the skin's inability to mount an immunity response to the scabies. If anyone knows how to increase the B cells please let me know. Apparently blood samples were normal but not the skin samples. Given the enormous inflammatory response in the skin I have now increased my intake of turmeric which has an active ingredient in helping reduce inflammation (which is typically present in most chronic illnesses). I have an autoimmune disorder which worsted at the time of the scabies appearing three years ago. I am also pursuing biofilm therapies to assist with that.
Wishing you the best in your journeys to overcome this problem.
Borax
Borax
Thank you for all your help with what's posted. I've read extensively.
I believe I had scabies, it was misdiagnosed as many things and finally treated w oral ivermectin after about 6 months. It seemed to be clear. That was in the spring of 2014. I spent a lot of time in the ocean that summer. When it got colder and I spent less time it came back. Clustered bite marks and other itches. I should mention that prior to the ivermectin (stromectol) I went through three episodes of nodules. When it came back I did several treatments of permethrin and had die offs. At the same time a new sensation had started very tingly around the bottom of my nose and nipples and tops of toes. Heavy treatments of sulfur seems to stop it for a bit. Then in the winter I did home crusted scabies w Iver paste and once a week perm. Almost gone again but then came back. In the summer in the ocean it goes away until I stop swimming. Also sulfur soap keeps it down. I now think it's Demodex and not scabies. Maybe I had scabies maybe not.
I've been taking the borax 1/4 teaspoon w distilled water one liter for 5 days. I immediately began having a sensation that I haven't heard people mention, which is increased pricking sensation on torso. Not so much itching. Back of neck is itchy. I can see some cylindrical dandruff in my beard but not eyelashes. Is this sensation from the borax normal? The ocean where I am is very salty and when I leave it to dry on my skin I get 12-24 hours of almost nothing. I intend to begin baking soda and have no bath tub so maybe spray with borax peroxide or Epsom salt?
Many thanks, Ted!
Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide Soak
Andrographis Paniculata
You must you must treat the whole household and clean everything including clothes shoes etc.
Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide Soak
Epsom Salt
Clove Oil
They are supposed to be invisible to the naked eye, and I have yet to see one (despite all the evidence of them).
Neem and Tea Tree
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Jess didn't really add anything to it.
A controlled, blind study of dozens of patients (as you cited), is a hundred times more reliable than 15 or so self-reported, anecdotal stories from people who frequent Earthclinic.
Though this website is a god-send,
I'm not so quick to ignore a controlled, blind study.
Most people on here (including myself), may click "Yea" to bleach bath, and attribute the cure to the bleach bath (as I did), but I also used Permethrin a couple days before the bleach bath. This is probably true for many others here--so it adds confounding variables.
That's why we need controls.
Bleach and Water
Yes, I suppose it's possible with my method (leaving your home for a few days and staying at a hotel--since they die without a human host after a few days) that you'd bring the mites with you.
However, you could bring bleach with you and immediately take a bleach bath in the hotel room.
Another potential problem with my method (haven't tried it--I only took bleach baths for a few days and that did it),
is the eggs.
Not sure if the eggs survive longer than 48 hours without a human host, say, in the carpet.
If that's the case, you'd have to be absent for as long as it takes for the eggs to die too; or as long as it takes for them to hatch, then die (without you).
One more idea. There's now something called AHP (Accelerated Hydrogen Peroxide).
Since HP is one of the best cures according to the reviews on this site, and AHP works MUCH faster than HP as a disinfectant (hospitals all across USA are changing to AHP because it's the perfect cleaner and disinfectant, disinfects 10 times faster than bleach or lysol or anything). Then maybe AHP would work even better for the scabies.
Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide Soak
See this article for more info:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0012079
The article details a study done on permethrin-resistant scabies. The results showed that a 6% clove oil mix with other oil killed the scabies within 15 minutes.
Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide Soak
2 C. borax, 1 C. 3% hydrogen peroxide, etc.
1 C. borax, 1 C. 35% hydrogen peroxide, etc.
Immerse hair 10 min.?
Can you give basic amounts to start with in hot bath - duration 30 minutes?
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