Unlocking the Health Secrets of Turpentine: Natural Remedy Powerhouse

Had Crohn's disease for 40+ years and cancer four times - 'cured' myself of the last bout.

Candida is the culprit :)

Turpentine works on the cell wall of the candida fungus, because it is a terpenoid. There are others that exist too, which I am currently trialing.

Key point, you need to address ALL areas of your environment, not just what you take systemically and atopically. Your mind will determine what chemicals and hormones are being created by the brain.

Balance can be restored, I am proof, although I am still getting there :)

Think well, live well and be well - all these environments need to be addressed in order to get back to homeostasis :)

All the best for your journeys, for this is what they simply are :)

Kit

Bill, Thanks for the link to the book. Fascinating! After reading about your using turpentine for a toothache, I tried it myself. I have been having some pain in a molar. Clove oil or a tiny charcoal poultice were helping for pain. But I decided to try turpentine. I put a drop on my finger and rubbed it on the area of discomfort. I did this 3 times in two days. I am no longer noticing the pain. Thanks for all of you teaching on this and everything else! ~Mama to Many~

Thanks Bill

Bill, you quote from Merck: Uses: Extern. cancerous growths. Have you ever heard of it being used successfully this way?

He Sue...You can find the book by Dr Charles Oscar Frye here.

Hi, where can I find the book, A Cure for a Penny?

Hi Gratitude...There are many ways to take turpentine and it really depends where you want it to act as an anti-microbial in your body. If you take it with an oil like olive oil or VCO then generally it will act partially in the intestines as well as in the blood. But its better to use castor oil in my opinion because CO is also a laxative so it travels through the intestines quickly -- carrying the turps with it from end to end. This is a good way to disinfect your intestines if you have problems there like candida.

I'm not quite sure why Dr Daniels only specifically recommends taking turps with sugar cubes of a specific size. If, as she insists, the old US slaves of that period used turps as an all-round remedy then I'm pretty sure they must've used either cane syrup, molasses or honey in combination with the turps. Cubed sugar wasn't invented and mass produced until 1873(by Tate and Lyle), which was some time after the US slave period.

I have also used a teaspoon of turps with a tspn of honey or molasses washed down with some water and used a tspn of turps with about 1/4 glass of plain water to help kill pathogens in the blood. I have read in the US Dispensatory(1847) and in the British Pharmacopia(1914) where turpentine was commonly used as a steam inhalant with boiling water and was also used as an enema together with a small amount of natural soap(not detergent).

Also found an interesting passage in the Merck Medical Manual of 1899. Here's an extract for turpentine:

Chian, Turpentine, Merck.

Thick, tenacious, greenish-yellow liq.; peculiar penetrating odor; Uses: Extern. cancerous growths.

Turpentine. Canada -- USP

Balsam of fir. Uses chiefly extern. -- Dose 5--30 grn., in pill.

I also found many entries for Sodium Borate(Borax), Iodine, Potassium Iodide and Hydrogen Peroxide.

Hi Bill,

First, that booklet "A Cure for a Penny" by Frye was such a wonderful read. I hope many take the time to read it; so inspiring!

What else can I take turpentine in? I know castor oil is recommended and why or on sugar but what other options? In juice? In almond milk?

Thanks in advance!

Can someone tell me what they mean by pulling oils?

HI U SCOTT, , , , , , , when Dr Daniels first wrote about the benefits of Turpentine, I too had no clue where to buy it. No way was I going to buy stuff from Home Depot or Lowe's. This is low grade stuff so I did as you reported, I bought Artist turpentine.

Since then, the firm down in South Georgia has become known. I think that is the way to go. South Georgia and North Fla. was where the naval stores were concentrated way back when. Folks cut the pine trees such that they bled sap and it was collected and made into many products. Soon folks would not do this hard work so it went away. I worked for Brunswick Pulp in the early '60's and these cat faces would not cook up to make paper pulp. They were full of pine resin . They had to be cut out of the pine logs prior to cooking the chips.

Wow, why go around the watermelon as I do? That's because I've been around the watermelon. Do you want to hear from a snot nose KID that has not done sheet in their life, but talk the walk?

When I buy more turpentine , it will be from these folks in South Georgia that walk the talk .

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Hello Everyone,

I have been seeing links to these Artist Turpentine. I don't know if I would use that stuff as the bottle doesn't say 100% pure gum spirits. According to Dr. Jennifer Daniels you want to use 100% pure Gum Spirits which is different then the Synthetic Turpentine. I ordered mine from a company in Georgia who sells 100% Pure Gum Spirits. I have been using the Soap too which is pretty cool but haven't actually tried the Turpentine just yet as I had picked up a slight head cold yesterday. It's gone now but I am wondering since I couldn't smell too much I decided to smell the Turpentine that I ordered knowing it's somewhat similar to Aromatherapy that the things we breath in has an effect on us somehow. Anyways I was sniffing it a bit and I think it might have stirred some stuff up inside me possibly. Anyone know of smelling Turpentine and it basically doing anything for you internally etc? I know that I have Candida from all the Symptoms etc and will be knocking it out here real soon with this Turpentine. I also don't have the sugar on hand to start it either. But as Dr. Daniels states you must be well hydrated when doing this.

Thanks and I welcome your comments.

O: I think you are very much overreacting by a chain of mis or dis information.

I have been using Turpentine for about 2 yrs about one dose every other day in a case of extreme parasites & pathogens w/ mostly good results. As for bad results, a strong odor in the urine as well as occasional stress on the kidneys. This is called "die-off" or "herx reaction" as the kidneys take the brunt of the load (millions or billions) of dead pathogens seeking elimination.

To remedy this problem one should fallow the T maybe 4hrs by Dr. Christopher's herbal "Kidney/Bladder Formula". I also use the herb Chaparral w/ good results for clearing the kidneys of waste, as well as the liver. Increasing liquids and natural diuretics like parsley, tea, or coffee would also help.

I want to make a point of turpentine. It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR THE KIDNEYS. I think Bill who is promoting it should tell people about why it was abandoned by the medical industry. It was abandoned because of kidney failures it can cause.

I have read through the posts and would appreciate having clarification on some issues.

Thanks Bill for the Anti-candida protocol, will be looking at that and the link to the page on dealing with fungus.

Would like to know if enemas are enough to unblock the colon for parasites/microbes to exit.

How much of a dose of turpentine is needed to be effective (can I use less than a tsp)? I have read some posts that say to use turp for only 2x/week and others that say to use for 5days/week. I have been using a tsp 2x/week and have felt a lot of reaction (irritability, fatigue, crappy feeling), but have not passed anything noticeable. Not sure if candida is widespread. I have taken a break for a week now and plan to get back probably in another week.

Has anyone more info on using Turp as an enema, would it be as effective as oral consumption? Would like to give it a try.

Also planning to add more vit/min supplements. I have always wondered if the supplements in health food stores are good. Are they natural or synthetic. I would imagine natural would be better, but where to get a good source? Thanks for any help.

Trying to figure out what to do next.

Wow... OK... I'll try the Borax with the tea instead of the Borax alone.

Where do I get the GS Herb?

Also... it says to add the herb and drink. So does that mean I drink the herb (i.e., in the full drink) without steeping it first?

... and if I do the tea with the Borax, I don't have to do the Borax separately, is that correct?

Man... I just want to do this right. I've used the 'shotgun' approach to addressing my candida over the past 20 years, and I've only seriously pissed it off... and have only gotten worse. My head is terrible (13 years in the making). I'm ready to get cured.

Hi Steve...As to the how's and whys of the anti-candida protocol, I would just take the protocols laid out in this doc which includes how to take the turpentine/CO protocol.

In the doc there are various teas and alkalizing combos described that contain the Gymnema sylvestre(GS) herb. GS acts to inhibit the yeast candida form morphing into the more virulent fungal form.

There are two separate living forms of candida(and aspergillus) -- the yeast and fungal forms. The yeast lives off dead organic matter, reproduces by budding, infects locally on the skin, uterus and intestines. The fungal form is a true parasite that infects everywhere in the body, reproduces as spores and this form might be what is causing your brain area EMF problems. So taking these GS teas will act to inhibit and eventually act to get rid of the fungal form from your blood, organs and tissues(including the brain). This then leaves you with the yeast form which is easier to cure. Therefore, you should take the protocol and take these GS teas as advised.

Recent research on GS inhibiting action on the fungal form of candida:

http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jun13/vediyappan91213.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770570/

Thanks Bill...

I'm totally on it... and ordered the 16 oz. from Diamond G turpentine.

I did want to ask: I have severe systemic Candida (especially in my head/brain). How do you recommend I take it? How much? How often? For how long? With Castor Oil? Can I apply it to my head (if so, how?).

Thanks... I really want to knock out the bio-films.

Hi, how has the pine oil worked for you. What have you noticed? Thanks

Hi Steve...The Korean Red Pine Oil that you sourced costs $75 for just 2 oz which is somewhat steep and expensive.

Most people on this site are using the organic pure gum turpentine from Georgia called Diamond V. You can buy 1 gallon or 4 x 32 oz bottles of this organic turpentine for only about $70. An 8 oz bottle will cost you just $8.99.

And for anyone reading this who needs organic turpentine who lives outside the US -- Diamond V turps is flammable and therefore will not ship to other countries outside the US.

Because I live in the Philippines I have found it all but impossible to get any reliable form of pure gum turpentine because of the poor labeling standards here. So I got the next best thing. I now us the essential oil from pine needles which has worked quite well. I bought this from ebay. This form is from Pinus sylvestris and is triple distilled -- a clear liquid.

Hello there!

I'm going to be trying turpentine for breaking down the intractible bio-films inside of me. Where do I get this stuff?

And may I ask... would anyone know if this red pine oil would be OK? It contains turpentine, for sure... but also chlorophyll and rutin. (Does it have to be straight turpentine?)

Here's the LINK:

http://www.optimallyorganic.com/red-pine-needle-oil-2-oz-bottle

I have a question about using turpentine. Have obtained some from Diamond Forest Products. I have been doing 1 tsp, 2x/week for the last 4 weeks. Want to use turp to get rid of microbes and possible parasites in blood and body. Hoping it will help with fatigue and also cancer: Multiple Myeloma. Fatigue is a long standing problem. Have problems with constipation and am using enemas.

Have been using turp at 1 tsp, 2x/week for the last 4 weeks (with ground up sugar cubes and about 1 Tbs of olive oil), and seemed to be able to tolerate it with moderate discomfort: concentration, spacey feeling, irritable, some nausea. Last night I took the turp (1 tsp) only with olive oil. I don't know if this was coincidence, but it hit me a lot harder with symptoms.

Would appreciate any advice about this and how I should continue with treatment. Also was thinking about the caution about kidneys and nervous system how much of a concern is this?

Thanks for help

Bill, is excessive hunger for junk food normal when taking turpentine?

Bill, Where can I purchase Lugols iodine in the Philippines?

Hi Lisa...In older times and in the satellite countries of Europe and in Germany, they would take turpentine/kerosene for 6 weeks a year for general health. Paula Ganner always maintained that kerosene was a blood purifier -- it would act to kill any pathogen in the blood. Dr J Daniels uses sugar + 1 tspn turps for candida problems. But I prefer castor oil + turps because the castor oil both restricts the absorption of turps into the blood and keeps it in the intestines to kill candda there. The castor oil also helps to spread the turps throughout the intestines with its laxative action. Later on you could perhaps switch to the turps + sugar or turps + molasses protocols to more efficiently kill the candida and other pathogens that are still in the blood.

The preventative dose is on a one day on and one day off basis and is meant to help those who have massive initial Herx die-off reactions by having a day off after you take the turps-- this makes for a gentler ride for the user when you initially kill all that candida.

If you want to take consecutive turps doses for a particular problem then I would take turps for five days and then have two days off turps and do it like this for about 6 weeks only. This protocol will help to get rid of most pathogens and parasites from your body.

Hi Bill,

I was just wondering about the duration of the 1 tsp dosage before going to the preventative dose. Consecutively, how long (how many weeks) is it safe to take before reducing to the once or twice a week preventive dose? Thank you so much for all your info!! Lisa

G: Sorry to burst your bubble of successful treatment w/ the high probability that you have not removed the entire worm as they are like segment after segment up to several feet long depending on the type (likely beef or fish and not likely pork as they are usualy around only 6").

These tapeworms have monstrous heads w/ extensive teeth or suckers for burrowing into the intestines where next to nothing can remove them.

Using a combination of veg oil & Grapefruitseed extract applied rectally once or twice daily one day I felt a pull, pull in my lower back and then a pop. Several minutes latter I passed about 3-4 ft tapeworm. It wasn't until about 3 yrs latter that I killed what appears to be the entire worm by using pharmaceuticals like Albendazole, Fenbendazole, and Prazequantil. Same thing happened w/ the pull and snap and this time passed only a few 6" or smaller segments. But this time I can report the kind of improvements you have.

It is slightly possible that you have killed the entire worm (if it was indeed a tape, could be several pin worms), but not likely from what I've read the tapes are major problem. From what I understand, the drug Niclosamide is the single most effective against the adults.

Thank you for the advice, but I just realized I had made a mistake in my post. What I have in my gallbladder is not a cyst, but a polyp. But I guess that CP might still be of help because of its bile duct relaxing properties.

Hi Marcin...If you are wary of the castor oil in the turpentine remedy then just take the turpentine with sugar or molasses. Take a teaspoon of sugar or molasses into your mouth first then add the turpentine and mix them together. Then swallow it and chase it down with some water.

Since you have a suspect gall bladder problem, I would also take Chanca piedra(CP) tea 3 or 4 times a day. CP will help to dissolve and remove any gallstone or kidney stone. CP also acts to reduce calcium in the blood. Cysts always contain calcium which is usually due to high calcium levels in the blood and body. CP will also help to reduce calcium levels in the blood. It will also reduce blood sugar, blood pressure and blood fats. I would also try and reduce dairy(excess calcium) in your diet which always tends to promote cysts and stones in the body. Taking magnesium citrate (250 mgs twice a day) should also help to regulate your body calcium back to healthier levels again. Lugol's Iodine(50 mgs per day) will also help to get rid of cysts and tumors but I think that you are already taking this one.

Hi Bill,

Since I have a gallbladder problem and are unable to digest fats (any fatty foods cause instant diarrhea and terrible abdominal pain) I am a bit concerned about taking turpentine with castor oil. Is there any other carrier I can use? I am also wondering why do I have the gallbladder problem. Scan has shown that I have a small cyst in my gallbladder, but I am sure it is not a stone because I have a good low-fat diet. However, my gallbladder function is definitely compromised, it seems like it does not produce enough bile to digest fatty foods.

Bill and Om, thanks. I have decided to order the Georgia product.

Fascinating! A great success. You made me want to really try out turpentine. So it was 4 teaspoons a day every other day? What brand of turpentine did you use?

I meant also to say that I cannot take the turp on sugar cubes or sugar. Chewing on the cubes is like chewing glass for me. I've been putting the turp into a small glass with some milk or Gatorade and just drink it down. I figure the sugar in that would carry it. I will be trying it with the castor oil but I have to put that in Gatorade too.....just can't stomach the straight sugar or castor oil.

I've been taking the 1 teaspoon dose. On my third dosage, though, I got the measuring spoons mixed up and not thinking I used a tablespoon of gum spirits. (I measured and wondered why there was so much turp left) Ended up taking more then a teaspoon but not quite the whole tablespoon. I ended up feeling a little drunk, but other then that, nothing terrible. I am continuing with the turp, but started a parasite cleanse and will do a liver flush. The turp also cleared up a patch of dried skin on my elbow.

I also mix the turp with peanut oil and use for aches and pains. I've given it to several people who swear by it.

Fascinating. Did you take the turp with castor oil or anything else?

What dosage are you taking?

I've been taking the gum spirits (1 teaspoon) every other day for four dosages, took 4 days off. Took it again for two dosages, ended up expelling a tapeworm, swiveled and rolled up the size of a golf ball. I just stared at it..not what I expected. My energy level is so much better, lungs feel cleaner. Can't tell me this stuff doesn't work. Sixteen years - 6 doctors told me it was my thyroid, yet none of the thyroid meds did anything for me. They made me feel worse. All the women out there complaining about pain and low energy levels, wonder how many have some sort of parasite?

Miquela from East Coast, Usa 02/04/2015

Writing about your 2 1/2 yr old son. My daughter had a huge problem with pin worms & nothing worked..not even the Dr. prescriptions. This was about 38 yrs ago! An elderly grandmother told us give her 100% pure Turpentine. She said that every fall & spring all the people used to use 10 drops of turpentine FOR ADULTS (on sugar..only for taste so do as you need on the sugar..maybe honey or just water).. For kids less depending on size. I gave my daughter 5 drops & you do this for 3 days on empty stomach. I was AMAZED. She was free of the pin worms right away. Since that experience I use it for parasites of different kinds. You can try it & see how the little one does with it..I wish the precious little one well.. God Bless..

Hi ---the Recochem product landed me in the hospital last year. I have now the Georgia product and it is good. There should be a warning about the Recochem product as it is not 100%.

Namaste, Om

Hi Marcin...You can buy this brand of Pure Turpentine from any Home Depot store in Canada:

I've also just checked the store locator and there is a Home Depot near you in Brampton at 49 First Gulf Boulevard.

Home Depot - Pure Turpentine

You can also easily buy pure turpentine made from Canada Balsam or Balsam Fir sold from all Acklands Grainger hardware stores in Canada -- including many AG stores in Brampton which you might know already:

Acklands Grainger - Pure Turpentine

In fact, Acklands Grainger's Bio-Pure Pure Turpentine brand is what Tony Pantelleresco(a Canadian) uses to show people how to supplement turpentine in this Youtube video:

How to Heal with Turpentine

I have found that diamond forest in Georgia is the best Turpentine they ship to Canada but a little expensive for shipping.. So maybe grabbing the larger bottle or sshipping to wherehouse in the USA is the best option..

diamond g forest product.com

Thanks Bill, for your quick response. I was actually thinking that I was feeling the effects of tge die-off. But, because Im new to these protocols I became worried when the chest pain and upper GI started giving me pains. Mostly after I eat or dinner and lay down. Feels acid reflux that runs all through the night until get up but only started after taking the turpentine. Just got worried thinking I over did it. However, I'm glad to hear of your success with the protocols and thanks for your help. Will

Hi William...Your upper GI pain might simply be due to symptoms caused by candida die-off or Herx reactions. And if you are, at the same time, detoxing heavy metals with other protocols then this can give very similar symptoms as well as, in some cases, strange skin problems. Initially, when you start the turpentine protocol, these die-off and detox symptoms should be expected, since you will initially be killing huge amounts of candida and other pathogens with the turpentine and other protocols and the same goes for the heavy metal detox.

Further on down the timeline, when you eventually get the candida and detox numbers down significantly, your immune system will then start to become healthy again and act dominate your body as it should and eventually you health should be much improved.

What I'm saying here, as an ex-systemic candida sufferer myself, is that when you start any successful protocol against candida then you will always feel worse before you begin to feel better and heal. Indeed, if this were not initially the case, then I would seriously question whether the anti-candida protocol you are using is working properly or not.

I also use turpentine in my own anti-candida protocols, which is a bigger protocol that is shown here in some detail. This protocol has also been quite successful for other candida sufferers who have used it.

Hi all. I'm new to an infectious dkin disease with Candida issues as well. So rearched online natural remedies for my condition. Found a lot of natural remedies. I decided to go to the local Natural Roots store and I purchased some Turmeric and Echinacea to take orally. Also, bought some essential oils and bar soap. JoJoba Oil, Tea Tree Oil, Oregano Oil and Eucalyptus Oil for topical use and for baths mixed with Epsom Salt and Munuka Honey-Tea Tree Oil bar soap. The essential oils and soap has almost completely healed my skin after 2 weeks of use.

However, I found online many sites stating Turpentine kills Candida and many other internal issues aswell. So, I purchased some 100% Gum Spirits of Turpentine by Strip Clean at the Hardware store. I started taking it orally as suggested by what I found from online sites researched. The first day mixed half a teaspoon of turp with a tablespoon of honey. Not bad at all. Two days later I took the same dosage. In to my second week I upped the dosage to a full teaspoon of turp with a tablespoon of sugar. I liked it much better and I was feeling great, more energy than I 've had in many many years. Two days Iater I took that same dosage and was loving the way I was feeling. Passed some type worms. But, my chest hurts, the upper GI. And my stomach is cramping. Is this part of Candida die of or do I need to go to E. R. ? Thanks for your help.

I actually think the main reason the lady's skin turned black was because she had not prepared properly beforehand with a good raw diet, but had not ensured her gut was clear so the toxins had a clear 'escape route'....

Dear Bill and Ted, I have been reading and appreciating all your info so much. What an incredible service! I am writing in regards to my 2 1/2 year old son. I would like to try some of these remedies for him: colostrum and turpentine/castor, also perhaps the iodine protocol and transdermal magnesium oil. He's struggled with digestion, candida related symptoms since birth, with weakened immunity, and most recently a case of lyme (we think) and re-occuring pinworms.

We have always chosen to treat naturally and gently, but I am concerned that he is not thriving and that I must find a way to treat the root issue. I had chronic yeast throughout the pregnancy and then antibiotics for Typhoid Fever one month before his birth. He's always struggled with constipation and currently is on probiotics, prunes, chia, etc. and is still only having a BM every other day. Any extra help in figuring this all out would be deeply appreciated. I am planning to do castor/turp and iodine protocol for my own candida issues, and hopefully get my husband to do it with me for depression. I will let you know how that goes. I don't seem to understand the length of time to continue all these protocols? Thanks again, all my best* ~Miquela

Take 200 mgs magnesium malate 4-5 times a day or more until you have relief...Then reduce that amount.. You should get down to 400-600 mgs find out that will be sufficient, but everybody's diffferent....Swanson sells magnesium malate at 200 mgs/capsule...Don't buy hard pills and they have a tendency to not dissolve...

I'm curious if the turpentine has helped lyme? I've got it and I'm researching alt treatments.

Since I started turpentine, (up to 8 drops, 2x/week) I have problems with constipation. I have constipation issues, but I was doing enemas for that, and since the turpentine that is less effective. Does anyone have problems with this and how do you address it? Thanks

Does anybody know where can I get pure turpentine in Canada? All the shops I have found online are in the US and do not ship to Canada.

I just thought I would write to you about this. It's a cancer cure using Kerosene. This has been around for decades and was publicised by a German woman named Paula Ganner who was cured of matastases and colon paralysis using Kerosene. She passed on her knowledge to many others and received 20,000 letters of thanks from people that it worked on. There is an article about it in Nexus Magazine April-May 2012 issue. I found it when browsing through some old magazines. I thought it would be worth mentioning.

Of course soon after the article in a German magazine was published about the 20,000 cures, the magazine editor was fired and the entry for purified petrol/kerosene as a cleaning remedy for wounds etc was removed from the German pharmacopoeia. It was then declared a dangerous poison and has remained so everywhere.

There are follow up articles on the internet regarding this. In the same magazine mentioned above was a very interesting article on Iodine (or Lugol's solution) which cures many things (e.g. diabetes) as well but is now much harder to find also.

I am not sure that kerosene and turpentine are quite the same thing so people should investigate both. The article I read was written by Walter Last who is a retired biochemist, research chemist, nutritionist and natural therapist based in Australia. The use of petroleum-derived products was most widespread in poorer countries like Russia, Eastern Europe and Africa. Apparently even the Rockefellers supposedly started their fortune by selling kerosene as a cancer cure before they found that chemotherapy was much more lucrative. The dosage of course is quite low, a teaspoon a day or something like that.

People will need to investigate this and read the article in full as the one in the magazine was an edited extract only -- www.health-science-spirit.com and go to kerosene page. Dr Last believes (and he is probably right) that most diseases that are prevalent today only came after the introduction of antibiotics after World War II. Another thing too, the history of petroleum derived products as a cure goes back to ancient Babylon and Persia. Dr Last has also written a series of books on healing yourself.

Anyone who tries to mention any of these cures is vilified. Another example, the French Forensic Scientist who invented organic silica -- something that prevents orthopaedic surgery and rebuilds/heals bone - he was persecuted for years and jailed until he had to flee the country. So where is his invention now?

Thank You Mw I will check them out.

Hi Timh...Not knowing your homocysteine or glutathione levels might indeed be a problem. But I think you have gone a long way to remedying that anyway, if it is a problem, by taking the B6 & P5P, DMG, folic acid etc. Some more advice on this below.

The only problem for you is really how to determine whether your methylation condition is under- or over-methylated. I think I can help here too since doctor's methylation panels can cost an arm and a leg and then some.

Under-methylation is typically characterized by high or excessive histamine levels in the body. This is easily enough recognized or spotted especially if you are suffering constant or extreme pain due to inflammation in your tissues, joints or organs. Under-methylation can also help contribute towards food allergies and high gut permeability(leaky gut) as well.

Over-methylation(OM) symptoms typically involve anxiety problems, insomnia and adrenal insufficiency caused by a methylation blockade or aberrant gene problem in this area. Typically, someone suffering from over-methylation issues will have low histamine levels and will suffer more from mental problems -- such as Bi-polar or OCD disorders. Typically, OM problems can also involve chemical sensitivity issues but not food allergy problems.

Thus armed with the above symptom guidelines, you should be able to make up your own mind as to whether you consider your condition to be a typically under- or over-methylated condition. I've tried to keep it very simple, but much more information and detail here:

Methylation and MTHFR Defects (Dr Ben Lynch)

MTHFR.NET(Ben Lynch's website)

There is also a simple way to do a partial check on your body's nutrient status by getting a hair analysis -- quite cheap. This will not tell you your homocysteine levels but it should tell you your vitamin and mineral levels. For instance, if you are heavily lacking in Vitamin B6 then there will be little glutathione production happening in your body which means that your body has no master chelator and that you will be steadily be accumulating dangerous heavy metals in your body. Your heavy metal status will also show up on your hair analysis to confirm this.

High homocysteine levels can also be prevented by taking TMG(not DMG), B6 and Methylcobolamine(B12). It's also much better to take the L-MTHF forms of folate than taking the folic acid form(synthetic form). High homocysteine levels can also cause heart problems and hardening of the arteries.

Your beneficial experience one year ago nebulizing reduced glutathione would also seem to at least confirm your body's great need for glutathione. This would also suggest that your methylation cycle is out of balance and blocked in some way, with other problems such as high homocysteine and aberrant gene problems also being a distinct possibility. Unfortunately, if you do have aberrant gene problems then there is simply no other option but to confirm which gene are aberrant by doing the relevant aberrant gene DNA tests from your doctor.

LDN is a very good protocol for many autoimmune disorders because it seems to raise up, retrain and strengthen the immune system. The colloidal silver and MMS should also be effective against mycoplasma. The only difficulty with taking these as oral nutrients is to ask "How much of these nutrients are being used up or neutralized in the intestines and how much is actually successfully reaching the problem sites in the body?".

So it might be better to also use MMS or Colloidal Silver topically combined with DMSO. I've read that when Vitamin C is taken orally then only about 15% - 20% ever gets absorbed from the intestines into the blood. If you apply this thinking to CS and MMS then there might be a problem. I have also read that when DMSO carries any nutrient from the skin into the blood, it usually achieves 80% absorption of that nutrient into the blood. So if you combine DMSO + CS or combine DMSO + MMS and put it on the skin directly over the problem area itself then this should perhaps act in a stronger way(due to higher local dosage) than the oral form to get rid of the mycoplasma and associated pathogens causing problems there. In this way higher dosages of CS or MMS nutrients may be carried to these sites using DMSO, which should also have no trouble carrying these nutrient across any blood/bone barrier to attack the mycoplasma in the bone area. That's why I think using the DMSO route might be more efficient and effective for you than just using the oral route.

If you have mycoplasma in your lungs then I would simply try using Bill Munroe's HP Inhalation Method. And if it were me -- I would use a pharmacy-bought 0.5% Hydrogen Peroxide solution that contains stabilizers to first see if it actually helped against the mycoplasma. Bill Munroe used the ordinary stabilized form of HP for over 20 years without problems. And if this cheap form of HP definitely helped to get rid of the lung mycoplasma, then perhaps you could purchase the FG 35% HP at a later time.

Tim, have you gone online to requestatest.com to have any personal labs drawn? I have used them before and go to local Labcorps to have my blood drawn. They handled the paperwork. I used them to have my magnesium RBC's checked. It was a very easy process. My results came to my email. Maybe this will help.

MyWay,

:D

Bill: Unfortunately I don't know my homocysteine or glutathione levels as I have no medical support in my area. Maybe I can have a long-distance Dr (online) order an "Elisa" test at local lab?? Any suggestions? I think I can purchase these test alone, if I can muster enough $.

Anyway, in response to your heads-up on homocysteine, I have B-6 & P5P in the mail as my heart & cardio system have been thru hell in the last 4 yrs; fortunately I have avoided catastrophic event. I do take 500mg Methionine daily for fatty liver w/ 1000 mcg B-12/500mcg Folic Acid, and 125mg DMG.

I may need to reiterate the major problem of pulmonary fibrosis (in comparison to your gene theory), which is known to cause Glutathione deficiency and autoimmunity. Recent LDN is proof of correcting, in part, this immune dysfunction. I have no problems of insufficient volume or shortness of breath, but do have problems w/ gaseous exchange, detox, and acidosis. Dr. Shallenberger measures lung function to access energy production in the body. I am currently getting good results (much better now since taking LDN) in energy production by taking Raw Lung Glandular in conjunction w/ Chinese herbal combination for lung health. So it seems an immune-detox-energy crisis which I suffer, but w/ major treatment intervention am still here to talk about it.

About 1 yr ago I nebulized some Reduced Glutathione, along w/ other nutrients for lungs, and for a brief few hrs experienced a remarkable relief of bad symptoms and felt like my old self again prior to my injuries. Am looking forward to trying this remedy again and isolating exactly any specific or combination nutrients. Also, I have sufficient circumstantial evidence of mycoplasma pneumonia, so this infection must be playing a major role in preventing any healing in the lungs and further agonizes the fibrosis instead. Despite recent immune improvements w/ LDN the mycoplasma and bone/joint infection continues although not as severe; but am now resolved to take at least one 6 drop dose MMS daily so as to get an upper hand and eventually (w/ the help of Ozonated Colloidal Silver) totally kill these pathogens.

The heavy metal elimination seems to be going well as the severity is slowly reduced. Hopefully in a few months I will have made substantial progress in this area.

I believe the nasa nasal emollient was this. http://www.ponaris.net/. I had a doctor give me a sample before and was reminded of it when I recently tried my first teaspoon of turpentine. It contains pine oil so maybe that's why it is so similar.

Mary, I believe your hurting in your knee and hip is due to your body getting rid of the arthritis. It takes a while for your body to rid itself of arthritis after you start taking the medicine like turpentine. I was checking out candida cleanse online and that protocol is taken for 6 weeks and it is understood that your body continues even after you are done with the program to rid your body of toxins. Usually, your body experiences effects of removing the toxins with nausea, aching, headaches, extreme fatigue, etc. Your body aching in parts where you have never experience pain is right there with the effects others have experienced. You will probably get worse before you get better but don't get discouraged. The way I feel about it is that the sicker I am while taking the stuff, the better I will feel when the body is finished releasing the toxins. If you do not get the results you hoped with taking turpentine, you might check out the book CANDIDA Killing So Sweetly by Bill Thompson. Also, be careful not to take too much of the turpentine at a time and don't take it too long. While it can be curing, it can also be deadly taking too much of it. Taking turpentine is suppose to be the last alternative in the Candida Cleanse like what you do when the regular cleanse does not get it all and the Candida returns again after you believe you have rid your body of all Candida. When you read the Candida book, you will see that Candida is the cause of your arthritis and when you get rid of the Candida, you will rid your body of the pain of arthritis. You will get rid of a myriad of other maladies also. You are obviously very smart because you are finding solutions for the problems your body is experiencing and not waiting on a doctor to help. There are many of us out here that are taking our help in our hands and looking for solutions. Don't stop searching and finding solutions....that is the true key. I believe this is one reason they say we are the generation to live to be 150 years old. We will not depend on traditional medicine to cure our ills.

Hi Lori

If you see this post could you tell us please how you used turpentine in your nose? I am very interested, thanks

A doctor for NASA sent me a product. He said when they send astronauts into space they can't have them get sick. He said the germs that make people sick first incubate in the back of the throat where the nose and ears meet, where you can't reach gargling. His product was a small tincture, the instructions were to put drops in your nose so it will reach the place in the back of the throat. That was the best product. It cleared that space of mucus instantly. It wasn't for sale after I ran out I couldn't get any more.

After I started turpentine, I tried it in my nose. Now I know what the secret ingredient was that the product the NASA Dr used: turpentine, not even diluted. It works great.

Hi Ed2010...You should perhaps start by using just the Sovereign Lab liposomal colostrum powder. Powder is better than capsules which always costs more because of the extra processing needed to make the capsules. Powder usually lasts longer and goes farther for the money.

If you prefer you can use the Colostrum-IC-Concentrate spray which contains high amounts of concentrated immune factors(antibodies, lactoferrin etc) which is 48 times higher in strength than the capsules or powder.

If you also have food allergies such as milk or wheat allergies then take the IRM Colostrum spray which will specifically help to cure any food allergy problems and will also help to heal the intestines. This is because it is high in Proline-Rich Polypeptides and lactoferrin.

Their Viralox spray is for viral infections. It uses only the elements of colostrum that kills viruses. Useful for colds and flu and other viral problems including HSV, HPV, Epstein Barr etc. This spray up-regulates the immune system against all viruses creating a hostile viral environment and also prevents all forms of viruses from reproducing by inhibiting them from attaching to host cells.

But the best all-round protection is probably the colostrum powder form and it would depend on what else was wrong with you as to whether you would need to take the other specific spray forms. Your choice.

Thank you, Bill for the detailed links and your explanation. I have looked at this product for a couple of years now, but have always hesitated because I didn't understand it's potential. I was looking at another brand, too, so I thank you for posting the one you feel has been processed to retain the maximum benefits. I had seen a documentary on the pregnant mare drug for menapausal women many years ago, and determined never to buy that product because of the way the mares were treated, so I didn't want to do the same to the cows. But it seems all is well and we are using what can be spared by the calves. You are so patient and generous in sharing your understanding of these nontraditional treatments and your advice is very much appreciated.

Bill, would lactoferrin help with extreme anemia accompanied by low adrenal, thyroid and testosterone (yes I am a woman but do not have enough at all)?

I also have a skin problem that I think is mites. I do the whole thing and keep them at bay but have not cured myself. Thought maybe the reason I still have them is my overall system is weak. Would I be able to have some of your wonderful suggestions?

Hi Rsw...Lactoferrin is highly beneficial to the body. It helps to transport and distribute iron in the body -- makes it much more efficient -- while at the same time starving pathogens of much-needed iron because of the way lactoferrin binds to iron. It is highly anti-pathogenic because it prevents attachment of pathogens(especially viruses) to the the host cells thus preventing them from reproducing and spreading. it also regulates and modulates the immune system, strengthens the performance of neutrophils and eosinophils in all the mucus glands, inhibits pathogen growth, speeds up the healing of wounds -- too many to mention. For more thorough explanations and descriptions please see these links.

Colostrum and Lactoferrin

Colostrum Research

And it usually always the case that companies who use colstrum from mother cows always let the calf have enough colostrum. If they did not do this then the calf would die within 24 hours of its birth.

Hi Bill,

I wondered if you could explain when it says the lactoferrin in colostrum binds and transports iron to cells in the body, if this would be beneficial or detrimental to people who have high serum iron that is supposedly hard on organs?

Thank you for all the information you freely give to everyone on Earth Clinic.

P.S. I assume they leave some of the colostrum for the baby calf, too?

Hi Bill

Which is good for GI, spray or capsules?

Good Health

Thanx for your reply Bill. Your diagnosis seems spot on, the issue is successful treatment. For elimination I am doing Foot Spas, Foot Detox Patches, Oil Pulling, oral Charcoal or Bentonite.

To improve P-450 detox, which would include Methylation as well as the other category's like Glucuronidation etc., I take either Dill or Caraway herb w/ D-Limonene once or twice daily, and Sulforaphane (Broccoli Sprout Extract, DIM, and I3C) occasionally. I listen to Love 528 Solfeggio Harmonics occasionally to help repair DNA. NAC, Selenium and Melatonin to improve GTH.

Have made significant immune improvements since beginning LDN on Dec 13th, 2014 and have yet to make a detailed post here on E.C.

Along w/ the heavy metal manganese I have tape worm cyst & stages (killed the adult in my intestines last July which set in motion an entirely new stage of detox/elimination), but just as Hulda Clark noted they form a survival coalition and the biofilms join in as the ultimate protector. Nattozimes and Turpentine blast the biofilms as you know. Ozone seems to be the only agent to penetrate the cyst, and after only one Colloidal Silver/Ozone 3oz drink (mid-December), had significant juvenile and entire host of pathogens released into blood & liver which caused a crisis, including kidney infection, taking exact remedies and 24hrs to recover.

For those interested in its many benefits, some more general research on natural colostrum:

Colostrum Research

Hi Ed2010...Proper fresh, natural colostrum is not white but yellow and looks like this. I also know they use it for food in India in dishes like posu and as a form of healthy cheese.

You should be able to drink as much colostrum as you like because it's a food after all. But if you have serious disease or autoimune problems(with pathogens in high numbers in your body), then it is perhaps advisable to start with one tablespoon and work up slowly to a larger dosage because of the Herx or die-off effect.

Colostrum is also very high in support minerals and vitamins -- including glutathione. See this link. That's why it's also possible that you may well get detox symptoms or reactions when you start taking colostrum -- because taking colostrum and all that extra glutathione raises the body's detox capabilities back to healthy and efficient levels again.

Hi Bill,

As a general dosage, what would you suggest for human colustrum. May be 20ml / day.

We have a recipe for Bovine Colustrum.

Add 400ml of bovine colustrum in a milk pot, add cardomom and half cup sugar. Boil it for sometime, this turns the milk like a crated cheese. Once the milk becomes a solid like crated chase, we serve it. This is a good medicine for hip joints and bones.

of course, this is not as therapeutic as raw bovine colustrum.

Also, what would you recommend as dosage of raw bovine colustrum daily.

Good Health

Hi Timh...You point is certainly well made and true about colostrum because you're living it. So a suggestion.

I completely agree with you that if your immune system is already heavily compromised for other specific reasons than lack of nutrients(for example) then colostrum would not work for you. To use a metaphor -- even if you put high octane gasoline in a car with no engine it still isn't going to move.

You do seem to have so many problems which all seem to point to a stubbornly compromised and low performing immune system. Your own knowledge of nutrients and herbs is pretty vast because you have rightly tried to use all these nutrients to cure your own problems.

But what if the cause of your low performing immune system were due to gene aberrations caused by a badly performing Methylation Cycle(MC) in your body? If true then this makes it a whole diffferent ball game.

Gene aberrations in the MC are now commonplace and they can be extremely serious(think ASD problems) -- they can heavily affect your body cell performance and tissue structure. I've also read that aberrant MTFR and many other aberrant genes besides can cause brain cells, blood cells and immune system cells to perform at only 30% of their capacity or strength. And you can take as many nutrients and drugs as you like but you wont fix it until you find the right gene triggers to cure the aberrant gene problems.

Furthermore, your body appears to be always very high in heavy metals no matter what antioxidant or detoxer or support nutrient you take. This might also be a another pointer to methylation issues. The transulfuraton cycle(also part of the MC), which produces taurine and glutathione -- the master anti-oxidant and heavy metal detoxer for your body, might be dead in the water. This is well known to occur in methylation issues. What are your homocysteine and glutathione levels like?

These might be some valid reasons why your own progress back to health has been so slow and drawn out due to a still compromised MC which has acted, due to aberrant gene formation, to continuously lower and hold down your own immune system's performance. And its not just about MTFR gene aberrations -- there are many more genes that can go rogue in the MC.

And these might also be some valid reasons why colostrum hasn't worked so well for you.

I have been taking different brands of Colostrum on-and-off over-the-yrs but nothing worth noting; which is no surprise considering product quality and my hyper heavy metal and parasite loads, as well as twice compromised immunity.

In an attempt to maximize the C effect, I also take Glutamine and Probiotics, which should surely help. Also, being desperate and creative, tried LET Colostrum also w/ no improvement to note.

Hi Ed2010...I would fully support taking colostrum from a human mother. But this is not about just drinking mother's milk -- this about supplementing or drinking colostrum which is the very first milk that the baby drinks from the mother's breast after it is born. This is how the mother is able to transfer all her disease immunity to her child. And from that point on the feed from the mother's breast quickly reverts just to ordinary mother's milk(no antibodies).

So I'm not really talking about mothers milk. Not the same as colostrum.

And if you can buy the bovine colostrum then please make sure that it was collected on the same day as the calf was born. This will ensure high potency and efficacy of the colostrum(containing huge amounts of antibodies) against many common human infectious and autoimmune diseases that modern medicine still cannot cure.

Hi Baldev...I think, without question, that fresh colostrum taken either straight from the human mother or cow is the best form of colostrum to take. You have to be very careful with buying powdered colostrum or you might be taking a weak or below par product. If the colostrum has been excessively heated or chemically processed in any way then its efficacy will be questionable.

For those people who cannot get the colostrum straight from the cow, I usually recommend Sovereign Labs brand(organic). This brand is not treated chemically or heated excessively and, what's more, they check each batch of colostrum for efficacy and proper composition both before and after the conversion to the powder form. What's more, the SL brand uniquely uses the liposomal form of colostum delivery so the colostrum keeps longer(less oxidation) and the colostrum will not be affected by stomach acid or be digested when supplemented in the liposomal form but, instead, will be quickly absorbed into the blood. I decided on this brand after researching many others like Surthrival, Nutricology etc. What also impressed me was the CEO of SL who has some revealing and personal stories to tell about colostrum in this video:

The Colostrum Story

Hi Bill,

What is your opinion about taking Human Colustrum (Mother's Milk). In india we have a folk practice of using mothers milk for variety of ailments. In fact it is easy to get in rural parts of India. May be a 1 tsp a day from one mother.

Alternatively, you can get bovine colustrum easily in India, even in Litres.

Good Health

Hi Bill, Very good information. Quantity like two gallons may not be possible to procure, but at the same time reasonable quantity can be got from people who keep the cows in India for their daily needs of milk.

I have seen in my younger days that we used to get that milk (Colostrum) and while heating it, it used to get split. Then it used to be strained and that cheese type of thing was eaten after mixing it with honey or raw sugar. I don't know whether that was a right procedure to take it, so my question is if one gets it how to take it, should we heat/warm or take it in raw form. Many thanks

Baldev

If you have a low or non-functioning immune system then the best thing you can take is colostrum (first milk to calf after birth). Both lyme and candida involve the participation of a wide variety of pathogen species together with a low performing immune system and this is what makes these diseases so difficult to cure.

Colostrum contains antibodies that are passed to the calf. At birth, the calf has no immune system and no digestive system just like human babies. So the antibodies in cow mother's milk are passed directly into the calf -- in other words the mother cow's immunity is passed directly into the calf like immune system blueprints so that it can manufacture its own antibodies. And if the calf does not receive this colostrum within 24 hours it will die.

The same thing happens in humans when you take high grade or natural liquid bovine colostrum. This colostrum will give you protection and immunity against all common diseases that are in our environment such as E. Coli, Shigella, Giardia, C Diff, Candida, H pylori, Staph, Strep, Borrelia etc. Colostrum also contains growth factors that help to heal the intestines, prevent inflammation and pain and also contains substances that help to reduce the permeability of the gut -- thus also curing food allergies including wheat and milk allergies. The colostrum essentially acts to reset, re-train and strengthen the human immune system.

I have recently read a personal testimonial by a guy who had serious candida, gut and allergy issues for many years. He was given two gallons of fresh colostrum for free straight from the mother cow and he drank it all over a short period of time. He completely cured all his problems in just 2 weeks with candida and allergies defeated and gone.

Then there's the story of Immune Milk and Herb Saunders(now deceased) who was a dairy farmer in the US. His customers who came to see him were very sick people who had many and various infectious or autoimmune diseases. Saunders would take a small sample of their blood and inject it into the udders of an expectant mother cow. Whatever diseases these people had -- the cows immune system would manufacture antibodies against it. Then a month later, after the mother cow dropped her calf, farmer Saunders would give this colostrum from the cow to his customer who would be rapidly cured of his or her immune or infectious disease. Saunders was taken to court by the FDA for practicing without a licence but got a hung jury both times. So the FDA doesn't always win...

See this link:

The Universal Oral Vaccine: Immune Milk

So if you know a friendly local organic dairy farmer who does not feed his cows steroids, antibiotics or unnatural feeds, then just negotiate a price for some fresh liquid colostrum. This is by far the best natural form to take.

But if you can't get fresh colostrum from the mother cow then you should buy the powder form. But not just any old cheap colostrum powder -- you must make sure that whatever powdered colostrum you buy has not been processed with chemicals or with excessive heat which would render the colostrum useless. Here is a product that meets these high standards. They also test the efficacy and content both before and after manufacture of their colostrum. This is the liposomal form of colostrum which is highly concentrated and it's not so cheap but it's easy to take and should work reasonably well just like the natural form from the mother cow:

Colostrum Spray

So if you take the turpentine protocol together with colostrum -- the turpentine itself will immediately act to kill all manner of pathogens and remove biofilm(but does not strengthen the immune system directly) while the colostrum will act to enhance and retrain your own immune system to defeat and dispose of all the many common pathogens involved in both Lyme disease and Candida. In other words colostrum should eventually help to give you immunity against many or all the pathogens involved in both candida issues and Lyme Disease.

References:

Colostrum and the Human Immune System

Hi Pat,

Your post is a few months old, but since Bill did not reply, I thought I might chime in. Or perhaps you already got the answer you needed, but if not, here goes.

Biofilm can reside anywhere in the body where a group of pathogens will happily reside in. These pathogens will colonize within these biofilm "communities" to form a synergistic relationship through quorom sensing. In this way, these smartpants can evade the immune system or any antimicrobial agent you might throw it's way.

I am hoping that turpentine can in reality degrade biofilms, because this seems to be the key to eradicating these pathogens. Break down the house and the little guys are exposed to your killing agent. I know this because I have chronic lyme.

Good luck in your healing journey and happy 2015!

Hi Emma...The reason you become drunk or dizzy when you took the turpentine is not directly because of the turpentine itself but because of its rapid-kill effect on large numbers of parasites, candida, viruses and bacteria in your body. And when killed in such large numbers, candida releases aldehydes and alcohol poisons into the blood that will mentally and physically affect you.

I've been working with autistic children who are also taking turpentine and this has more extreme behavioural effects on a child's mind and body like stimming, aggression, repetitive behaviours, not speaking, wild behaviour etc. This is due to the effects of these alcohols and aldehydes on their developing brains. By the way, these children get exactly the same mental symptoms if they take MMS -- so these mental effects are actually caused by the pathogen die-off(Herx effect). This Herx or die-off effect is fairly prominent and should always be expected when you are initially killing such a wide range of pathogens as occurs in Lyme disease.

The effect of supplementing turpentine(or MMS) is necessarily different in an adult because adult brains are fully developed whereas a young child's brain is still developing. So, in an adult, the symptoms will manifest as feeling dizzy or drunk because of the aldehydes and alcohols released by the dead candida. Mood(depression) may also be affected.

If you wish to keep most of the turps to act in the gut then take the turps with castor oil. All the reasons for this are given in detail here.

The Turpentine Protocol is shown here. Take turpentine/CO three times a week(on a day on, day off basis) -- take it twice at the maintainance dose(1 tspn turps + 1 tablespoon CO) and once at the full laxative dose(1 tspn turps + 3 to 4 tablespoons CO) every week.

CO is a laxative and helps to disperse the turps rapidly throughout the whole intestines. The CO also inhibits the turpentine being absorbed into the blood -- so the turps mainly acts throughout the intestines.

So perhaps you should try taking the turpentine/CO protocol as advised above.

I am in need of some quality turpentine-I found the mylands one-http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mylands-Pure-Gum-Turpentine-Litre/dp/B00ECBPAPS/ref=sr_1_1/278-4128745-6314034?ie=UTF8&qid=1420226113&sr=8-1&keywords=turpentine+gum but I am not sure if it's as good as diamond g forest ones. If there's more people who want from Europe maybe we can order together and get a discount on the shipping (since I assume it's huge since it's such a long way). I actually created a group on fb-turpentine so if you want to talk more or post stuff you discovered about turpentine you are welcome to join: https://www.facebook.com/groups/748253278586345/

Hello Bill,

You seem to be the expert in this group, so I will address this email to you.

I have candida and parasite (and lyme w/ co-infections) and I would like to use turpentine to address these. I have read Dr. Daniels' protocol but I don't like the idea to ingesting all that sugar. I have hyperinsulinemia and Diabetes type 2 from the lyme, so a lot of sugar consumption is not good.

I started my first dose of turpentine this AM -source from Georgia- and only took 1/4 tsp with 1 tsp coconut syrup (lower glycemic index) and 1 tsp avocado oil, chased it down with some liquid. I did not eat any food. I immediately became dizzy.

According to Dr. Daniels, becoming dizzy means that the turpentine went into the system too quickly and that not enough stayed in the gut. This defeats the very purpose that I'm trying to accomplish, namely keeping it in the gut to kill candida/parasites. I bought your book the other day so I can't use it as a resource for the moment. What am I doing wrong and what would you recommend?

Thank you.

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this site (and turpentine) and I decided to join because this looks like a good place for valid information regarding turpentine usage. I know that turpentine is xenobiotic and I am on a couple of Rx meds. Does anyone know what the timing/spacing should be?

I have lyme and co-infections and would like to know if anyone is using turpentine for the same reason, and if successes/failures can be shared.

I appreciate any input.

Mary: You are experiencing "detox reactions" from only two doses of turpentine. Chronic arthritis (pain & inflammation) isn't really a disease in itself, it is a symptom of disease caused by bad diet, toxicity, infection, etc.

Depending on the severity of your case (usually severity coincides w/ age) will determine how bad the "reactions" and how much time it takes to clear the bad stuff.

Here is a link to the detox page for more info https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/detoxification.html

For starters I highly recommend antioxidant nutrition (a deficiency of which causes many types of chronic and inflammatory conditions), Dr Christopher's "Red Clover Combination" herb caps, Epsom Salts/Baking Soda/Borax whole body hot baths, Iodine, and ACV. Detox Foot Spas & Patches are great for eliminating heavy metals and zenobiotics as well as parasites.

BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS

Like Softa, I too tried the turpentine for extreme arthritis but have seen results I was not expecting. I tried Dr Daniels protocol using the sugar cubes and 1 tsp. of turp. and have had 2 doses. The first on a Fri. and then the following up with the second dose on Tues. My back feels better (but wondering if that isn't due to the enemas). The unexpected result I experienced is that my left knee and right hip are in terrible pain, hurting more than ever. My knee seems to hurt the worst and oddly I didn't have pain in it before I started the protocol. I have also found that by drinking so much water my feet and legs swell up something awful so I did cut back on how much I drink. I keep a quart jar of distilled water with me at all times and drink from it throughout the day (refilling as I go) and my guess is that I am drinking about 3/4 of a gal., which I seem to be able to handle.I am also drinking juices that I make at home with my juicer. I will continue to try for a few more weeks to see if there are any improvements.

I first heard of turpentine being used as med. when I was very young from my grandparents and then again about 8-10 yrs ago from a gentleman in his mid 70's. My children had gotten head lice while in primary school and he told me I should give them a dose because it would get rid of anything. Of course I didn't because I thought it was poisonous. Seems his family used it as he was growing up.

If anyone knows why the pain in my knee and hip have gotten worse I would love to hear or any suggestions regarding the arthritis. I also have considered the oxygen therapy as well. The thought of drinking water that tastes like bleach doesn't appeal to me but if it helps the arthritis that would be worth it.

Dear Bill,

Thank you so much for your detailed explanations. That is very helpful!

I also appreciate the information about Bovine Colostrum. I will have to learn more about that!

Thanks again!

~Mama to Many~

Hi Mama to Many...In answer to your questions:

The recipe to make DHA with lugol's, ascorbic acid and baking soda - would that be an appropriate way to get a more easily absorbed form of vitamin C for general immune boosting? (Like for when you are sick with a cold?)

If you require more absorbable vitamin c then, yes, taking it with LI will increase the absorption of vitamin c(as dehydroascorbic acid) into the body.

To begin to answer this question I've come to the belief that Vitamin C, Lugols Iodine and Sea Salt are all critical for the immune system because all these nutrients actually constitute the main ammunition to help the neutrophils engulf and destroy pathogens for the immune system. The phagocytes and neutrophils of the immune system actively destroy all pathogens -- viruses, bacteria, fungi etc -- by spraying out hydrogen peroxide, hypochlorous acid and hypoiodous acid over the engulfed pathogen which immediately destroys these pathogens who have no defence and cannot possibly adjust to these substances because their destructive action is so quick. Then they are engulfed and digested by the phagocytes for later excretion via the liver.

From my own research, vitamin c is indeed vital to the immune system and is stored onboard the phagocyte, later to be converted into hydrogen peroxide. Similarly, sea salt or chlorides are absorbed and stored by the phagocyte to later be converted by an enzyme(myeloperoxidase) together with the hydrogen peroxide(from vitamin c) to create the hypochlorous acid that is sprayed out over the pathogen to kill it. Exactly the same process happens when the iodide stored in the phagocyte is later converted and used as hypoiodous acid to kill all manner of pathogens. What's more, I've read research where they confirmed that the hypoiodous acid form was seven times stronger at killing pathogens than the hypochlorous acid form.

It should also be of interest, with everyone's somewhat one-sided fascination and praise of just anti-oxidants, that hydrogen peroxide, hypochlorous acid and hypoiodous acid are all oxidants that use their unique free-radical action to kill pathogens in the human body at the appropriate time. The fascinating thing that occurs to me is that the human body critically needs the correct balance of both oxidants(free-radicals) and anti-oxidants in the body to have a healthy and strong immune system. Another important outcome from this is that it appears to be the habit of the normal human body to store useful oxidants as anti-oxidants. And when these dangerous free-radical oxidants are sprayed outside the phagocyte to kill pathogens and, after completion of this task, then other enzymes in the blood such as catalase or SOD will act to safely mop up and remove these dangerous excess free-radicals from the blood which, if left to accumulate unchecked, would further act to cause host cell damage in the human body.

My conclusions are that both oxidants and antioxidants are essential and critical for the human body to be healthy with a strong immune system. I take sea salt, vitamin c and larger dose LI every day. This is also perhaps why I have caught no infectious disease like a cold or flu or anything within the last 9 years. And no autoimmune problems yet either even though I'm a fairly old geezer. All I'm doing here is simply keeping my immune system ammo up to scratch and this has worked quite well for me as a sort of ongoing preventative protocol.

Also, would this "count" towards your iodine and vitamin C needs for those using the Iodine protocol for those using the Iodine protocol for thyroid?

Taking the iodine with Vitamin C certainly will count towards more iodide storage in the thyroid and body. But, getting deeper into it, the body really needs the triiodide, iodide and molecular iodide forms. SSKI is useful as iodide for the thyroid but it does not have the molecular iodine or triiodide forms. Nascent Iodine(NI) is also useful because it contains just triiodide form. But triiodide will not detox heavy metals or halides(bromine and fluorine) out of the body. NI is touted as being the easiest iodine form for absorption in the body. Not true. For instance the female breast can only accept and store the molecular iodine form. This is why I prefer the LI form of iodine -- it's just the best and most complete form of iodine out there.

Finally, is the Lugol's you use for this the 5% version?

Yes I always use 5% LI for my own protocols. For all dosages that I give out you should be using 5% LI. This seems to confuse people. For instance if, say, you are using 2% LI and take 8 drops a day then that is not the dose I recommend -- too low because 8 drops of 5% LI is equivalent to 20 drops of 2% LI. Another way of looking at this is that 5% LI contains 50 mgs iodine/iodide whereas 8 drops of 2% LI contains only 20 mgs iodine/iodide. See the LI mgs to drop conversion chart here.

I take the equivalent of 8 drops a day of 5% (still finishing up my 2% bottle) and am wondering if I made and took the DHA if I would still want to take more iodine, or if at that point, it would be overkill.

Taking LI with just water or with vitamin c is really your choice depending on what problem you are addressing. I use the vitamin c with LI to increase the negative conductivity of the cells in my body which is so good for overall health. But when you take LI with vitamin c you are essentially taking ascorbic acid, DHA and just the iodide form. This is why I always take the LI form with water -- this ensures that I get the triiodide, iodide and molecular iodine forms that are all so beneficial for the body.

Some more information for you which will immeasurably help anybody's immune system. The nutrient is called bovine colostrum. In 1957 a French virologist name Albert Sabin invented the first oral polio vaccine which he synthesized and made from bovine colostrum. He also loudly proclaimed that all young children should take colostrum every day. Dairy farmers have known about the beneficial effects of colostrum for centuries.

I've recently been reading where colostrum will cure all forms of allergies as well as actively cure infectious and autoimmune diseases. See the evidence and read why here.

Benefits of Colostrum

I've also been reading where people have been cured of CFS, Fibro, MS, gut problems and there was one gent who had serious candida issues who only drank one gallon of the liquid colostrum straight from the cow which cured him completely of candida and all his allergies problems (including allergies to milk and wheat) within two weeks. All he did was to slowly drink one gallon of bovine colostrum until it was gone.

Some more research on the effects of Immune Milk(more pathogen-specific than colostrum) against a host of bacterial, fungal and viral diseases:

Immune Milk Facts

So it seems as if colostrum is a nutrient that acts as a completely safe multi-vaccine for kids and grown-ups alike. It seems to be a very fast way to reset, retrain and stregthen the immune system. Bovine Colostrum contains bovine anti-bodies against all the common diseases in our environment like Candida, Shigella, H Pylori, Staph, Strep, Epstein Barr, HSV, E. Coli etc. that get passed like blueprints from the mother cow directly to the child or adult to help strengthen the immune system by leaps and bounds. So if a child or adult is continually sick with a weak immune system with lots of allergies or gut problems then colostrum will definitely provide lasting benefit.

The best colostrum seems to come from New Zealand where all cows are grass fed without being force-fed antibiotics, steroids, unnatural feeds etc.

I only thought to mention colostrum because I am well aware that you worry about your own kids health and well being(especially in the winter season).

Dear Bill,

Thanks for taking time to post this fascinating information! I have a couple of questions if you do not mind.

The recipe to make DHA with lugol's, ascorbic acid and baking soda - would that be an appropriate way to get a more easily absorbed form of vitamin C for general immune boosting? (Like for when you are sick with a cold?)

Also, would this "count" towards your iodine and vitamin C needs for those using the Iodine protocol for thyroid?

Finally, is the Lugol's you use for this the 5% version?

I take the equivalent of 8 drops a day of 5% (still finishing up my 2% bottle) and am wondering if I made and took the DHA if I would still want to take more iodine, or if at that point, it would be overkill.

Thanks so much!

~Mama to Many~

Hi Jake...Vitamin C is useful and I also use it in my own protocols against candida. Ordinary Vitamin C -- ascorbic acid -- is also useful for detoxing but best used to bowel tolerance strength and that's because vitamin c is so poorly absorbed into the body from the gut. Only about 15% to 20% of oral vitamin c(in either ascorbate or ascorbic acid forms) is absorbed into the blood. So this is quite an inefficient and wasteful way to take vitamin c.

Other more efficient ways of supplementing vitamin are as follows:

* By IV as ascorbate
* Lyphosomal Vitamin C
* Vitamin C(as ascorbate) + DMSO used transdermaly
* Oral or transdermal dehydroascorbic acid(DHA)

Most people already know all about taking the the oral, IV and Lyphosomal forms of vitamin c. But taking it as DHA is interesting. The DHA form, when taken orally, is absorbed from the gut into the blood much more efficiently and quickly than with the ordinary oral form. DHA is also easily absorbed into the cells because it is a glucose mimic. It takes a different pathway from the gut into the blood and this is called the GLUT-1 pathway. The body thinks the DHA is glucose and will therefore absorb much larger amounts of DHA more easily into the blood and cells. And if you starve your body of glucose -- as in IPT therapy -- then this will sensitize the GLUT-1 receptors more which will then absorb even higher amounts of DHA into the cells. Another unique advantage of DHA is that it is easily absorbed across the blood/brain and blood/bone barriers whereas this is not the case for ordinary vitamin c. The only problem with the DHA form is that it seems to be more expensive than the ordinary oral vitamin c form.

If you want a cheap and cheerful way to orally supplement DHA then, as Ted from Bangkok recommends, all you need is lugols iodine, Baking Soda(Arm & Hammer is fine to use), Ascorbic acid and a glass of water. First add 1/4 tspn of ascorbic acid(1 gram) to the water. Then add 6 drops of LI. You will notice that the iodine in the water turns from brown to clear and that's because the ascorbic acid is oxidized and converted to DHA while the molecular iodine is reduced to clear iodide. The last thing you add is the baking soda -- add this until the fizzing stops. Now you have an oral solution of sodium ascorbate + iodide + DHA in ascorbate form. Cheaper, convenient and effective.

Another useful way to take vitamin c(as ascorbate) is transdermally using DMSO and water(70% DMSO + 30% water by volume). To this ascorbate/DMSO mixture just add 6 drops of iodine. This creates some DHA in the mix. Therefore, when you paint your skin with this mixture, the DMSO will efficiently carry about 80% of the Vit C + DHA + iodide directly into the blood. This simple transdermal method also has the other advantage of not causing any problems or ructions in the gut because you're not taking it orally.

Concerning candida and detox I would take something like Vitamin C, Sodium Thiosulfate or EDTA for detoxing the blood and organs but I would also make sure to take chlorella for purely intestinal detox. Dr William Kelly verified in his writings that chlorella contains large molecules called alginates. These large molecules, after they bind to heavy metals in the gut, cannot be absorbed or redistributed into the blood from the colon because alginate is such a huge molecule -- that's why alginates can only remove heavy metals in the gut. With the other forms -- Vitamin C, Sodium Thiosulfate etc that act in the blood -- their will always be some redistribution of heavy metals in the body. So that's one very good reason to use chlorella for gut detox -- especially when you have candida because candida biofilms in the gut contain such high amounts of heavy metals. So when you destroy alot of candida biofilms using turpentine then you must take the chlorella 1/2 hr to 1 hr after the turps to mop up and neutralize all the heavy metals released from biofilm destruction. if you don't mop up these heavy metals in the gut promptly and appropriately then they will just get absorbed into the blood via the colon to cause all manner of physical, mental and other symptoms and problems.

Bill, do you think it would be helpful to take Vitamin C for any Herx or die-off reaction? I've seen this in detox protocols to protect the liver. Not sure if applies here. Thanks!

I recently used Dr Daniel's Turpentine protocol to remove Candida. She lists that people who have had Candida for more than two years might take Turpentine daily for 4 days. I only went 2 days, on that day it ran for the exit, literally, it was disgusting and creepy. My arthritis has improved though not yet gone.

I think I used to much turpentine this time as I did a week ago as both times, on the day that I had multiple bowel movements, afterward, I felt drunk, probably from turpentine reaching the brain. Though never have I taken more than one teaspoon with three sugar cubes. Also, on those days that I had multiple bowel movements, I drank a huge amount of water after taking the turpentine. I really wanted to give it an easy exit opportunity and I have to wonder if this is why on those days I had so many bowel movements versus the first day's dose, though it could just be a matter of cumulative days/doses. Also, I wonder if all the water helped the turpentine travel through my bloodstream to my brain to produce the drunk feeling.

Anyway, I'll be waiting again to let it get out of my system, and then I'll use a smaller 1/2 teaspoon dose with a lot of water after.

I plan to do it again exactly in one week except now I will do her normal 2 doses a week plan. My leaky gut symptoms are nearly gone and my MSG sensitivity is drastically improved. You MUST purchase 100% pure gum spirits of Turpentine otherwise some other deadly chemicals could be in there and Turpentine is dangerous enough on it's own. I bought mine from Home Depot, though a gal told me someplace in Georgia has the best stuff you can buy, maybe from the place already mentioned.

My symptoms overall were Anxiety, Brain fog, facial cramping, restless leg, low energy, trouble urinating, slouching, intestinal ache/burn, massive carb cravings, etc.

Hi Om...I think that you have several ongoing problems and these are: candida/bacteria problems, constipation(acid intestines) and insufficient digestion or inadequate absorption of nutrients into your body(underweight).

Here is what Ted from Bangkok has to say about curing constipation:

"The bowel issue is one of the most complex ones, but prebiotics have more effects on beneficial bacteria than the probiotics. The one thing that will help establish these is gum arabic, 4 grams blender mixed with 250 cc of water or hot water, until all gum arabic is dissolved.

Baking soda is the common remedy to relieve it. It also is found that getting enough water relieves constipation, especially by drinking enough water during the morning hours. The bowel movement requires basically hydraulic pressure to get the stools out and this is why having sufficient liquids is necessary. The slippage is also necessary along the intestinal tract such as alkalization, having sufficient potassium is the most common problem I have seen in people with constipation. As if there is this fear against the use of potassium. For people with normal kidneys this is no problem. Having the potassium requires to take regular over a month, if the remedy requires 1/2 teaspoon taken only at night, however if a person has low blood pressure, then must always be taking with sea salt, at least 1/4 teaspoon once or twice a day to keep the sodium and potassium balance. The antidote for too much potassium is simple, take 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt if potassium is causing problem, and the side effects will be relieved in 5 minutes. In fact the effects of any natural treatment for most disorders takes generally 5 minutes, such as heart problems, muscle pain, headaches, etc to be relieved except chronic constipation. I have seen a 19 year old girl with constipation taking potassium citrate take up to 1 teaspoon after meals three times a day to get her potassium to normal to cure her constipation. I have seen ICU patients take 1/2 teaspoon every hour throughout 24 hours to get?her blood potassium to normal. So potassium is somewhat as big a deficiency?as magnesium. Magnesium also helps with constipation, but taken in a much smaller dose, such as 8 drops two times a day, but in people with constipation it needs 15 drops three times a day, not to resolve the constipation but to resolve?a deficiency. The other common problem is B6 deficiency which leads to lack of stomach acid so take it three times a day."

EC Source: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/constipation_questions.html#Question_4666

In short, Ted is advising that both potassium citrate (with sea salt as necessary) and magnesium chloride(as magnesium oil -- 15 drops 3 x per day) should be taken for constipation issues as well as B6. Since you are also vegetarian or vegan then I would also strongly advise that you take Vitamin B12 as well(at least 1000-2000 mcg per day).

Your underweight problems may also be caused by insufficient digestion due to low stomach acid and/or low levels of digestive enzymes. That's why you should perhaps consider taking betaine HCL together with pancreatin enzymes(that should also contain papain and bromelain enzymes) to ensure proper digestion occurs so that you can put on some weight. Ted also advises that you should alkalize every day to cure the acid intestine problem(which is also tied in with your constipation and candida issues).

When I had candida I was also heavily constipated and was only having one difficult and painful(dry) bowel movement a week. I cured that problem fairly quickly by alkalizing heavily every day(at least 3 times a day outside mealtimes), taking one tablespoon VCO twice a day with meals and by taking lugol's iodine on a daily basis also helped. I suspect that it was probably the potassium from the potassium iodide in the LI was what helped me alot here, which is yet another reason to supplement higher dose LI.