Natural Rheumatoid Arthritis Treatment

Posted by John (Maroochydore Australia) on 10/08/2014

I have ankylosing spondylitis and self treat myself, struggling a little at present, on mixing borax with water 1 litre, do you drink that litre daily?

Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 10/08/2014

Dear John,

Many people will drink the liter with the borax 5 days a week and take the weekend off.

My husband is currently taking it that way. He takes less than 1/8th a teaspoon daily though in his water. When he was taking 1/4 teaspoon a day, it was causing some digestive distress. So, you just need to watch how you feel and adjust accordingly.

~Mama to Many~

Straub-Cutolo Remedy
Posted by Ray (Calgary) on 01/11/2014

Straub-Cutolo Remedy: I call this remedy the Straub-Cutolo remedy since I base it on the article

Involvement of the Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Adrenal/Gonadal Axis and the Peripheral Nervous System in Rheumatoid Arthritis by Rainer H. Straub and Maurizio Cutolo

ARTHRITIS & RHEUMATISM, (Official Journal of the American College of Rheumatology) Vol. 44, No. 3, March 2001, pp 493-507

The idea is that the initial trigger (bacteria, virus etc infecting us) is met with by the usual reaction of our body, by our immune system attacking the microbes, as usual. But, in fact, these trigger microbes that set off the inflammation are usually eliminated by our powerful immune system and are long gone by the time that RA sets in. So in RA we are not interested in treating only that infection.

RA is a chronic condition, not a normal infection, where our own immune system does not want to shut down it's attack. (Like an army that has destroyed the enemy and has gone berserk, shooting at it's own ranks or at innocent civilians.) It is well known that RA is characterized by macrophage activity even though there is NO infection. The word macrophage just means "big eater" since they basically eat up the enemy bacteria and viruses. But in RA they eat our own cartilage.

Why does the army of our immune system not shut down the fight and realize the "war is over" and that the enemy bacteria are dead? Why does our immune system not just stop, stop attacking our innocent cartilage? Why does our gone-berserk immune system turn a short term fight against a short term infection, that ended long ago, into a long term, chronic battle against our own body? Because the local nerve supply has been affected.

Our nerves shrink away from the scene of the inflammation or are damaged in the battle. But they grow back. Nerve fibers of the Central Nervous System grow back FASTER than the nerve fibers of the Sympathetic Nervous System. There is then a long term imbalance, more CNS fibers than SNS nerve fibers in the joints of those with RA. So what? Lots of what.

Those CNS nerve fibers secrete Substance P, long recognized as the leading chemical that our body uses to continue the inflammation reaction, the fight against invading bacteria etc. The CNS fibers, with substance P, are the hawks of the immune system. It is like they shout out over and over again, "kill, kill, kill." The over supply of CNS fibers and Substance P means the macrophages are encouraged to go on with their berserk killing. They have only the hawks to lead them. And if some bacteria have learned to avoid destruction by looking like the body cells, then the marophages, in a reverse sense, think the body cells are enemy cells. And what can stop them. All they hear from headquartes if the CNS orders to "kill and fight."

All because the CNS fibers are there in greater supply than the SNS fibers. They grew back faster. If the Sympathetic Nerve System was there then the macrophage soldiers would get other orders from headquarters. The SNS fibers try to shut down the inflammation, to call an end to the war. They do this by secreting epinephrine and adenosine. But they have not grown back. So there is no epinephrine. But lots of Substance P. So the soldier Macrophages only hear the command of Substance P, to kill.

Of course the inflamed area (our joints) still sends out messages to the brain and the rest of the body. (Chemicals such as cytokines) These are known to circulate throughout the whole body. The inflamed area sends out the cytokines as urgent messages, "request for orders sir, request for orders, please send orders, Emergency. Hurry. Send orders urgently." But no orders come from the SNS. No epinephrine arrives with a message to "Stop fighting", the only orders that come are from the hawks of the CNS, the Substance P message to "kill and go on killing."

As well the Adrenal glands should send out Cortisol, and epi-nepherine, that should also inhibit the inflammation reaction. And the gonads should send out testosterone and DHEA that would inhibit the infection (Men have less chance of RA than women). But it doesn't happen. It is well known that Cortisol production by the Adrenal glands is low in RA. So the Adrenal glands should send out orders to stop the inflammation, stop the fight. But for some reason they don't (Maybe they are overwhelmed by the huge amount of cytokines etc. coming out of the joints, which imply that a huge battle is going on. If there is a huge battle then the Adrenals would be wrong to interfere. But unfortunately the Adrenals are a lone, and weakened, voice for peace. They have found no support from the Sympathetic Nervous System. They are alone and so keep quiet. The Hawks win the day.

Hence the diet,

(1) Do something to shut up that Substance P messenger. To shut up the CNS and it's hawkish commands to fight. The best way is by capsaicin. Apparently, the FDA has approved it's use. Capsaicin can be found in Cayenne Peppers. Of course eating lots of Cayenne Peppers means the drug circulates all over in the body. So if you get a real infection somewhere then what? Stop the pepper for a while. Yet even the FDA approved it as a cream. So rub the spice, cayenne pepper on your sore spots. Or get capsaicin creme prescribed by your doctor.

Note: cayenne peppers are in the biological genus of "Capsicum" and related to bell peppers. So some "health stores" sell you stuff with "Capsicum" as an ingredient. That only means it has pepper in it. Bell pepper. Black pepper. Capsicum is not Capsaicin, the active ingredient. (Some say even black pepper is helpful with RA) It's worth a try to use the Cap-si-cum stuff, but just don't think you have Cap-sai-cin, the active concentrate. (note the spelling difference). Save your money and just buy peppers or ground cayenne spice at the grocery store.

(2) Do something to increase the low cortisol levels in RA. Increase cortisol so the areas affected by RA can get the message to shut down the fight. Where to get cortisol? Licorice (real licorice, please, not that junk they sell in candy stores that's made of flour and molasses) and coffee and grapefruit (also other citrus like lemon). It's easy to drink coffee.

(3) Do something to increase the low epinephrine levels in RA joints. A good source is the peel of a banana, though a banana pulp isn't bad. I wash the banana peel and blend the whole banana up and eat it. Another good places to get it is chocolate. Also helpful in building epinephrine is avocado, nuts, chicken, eggs, wheat germ. Of course this is not a local supply, where it is needed in the RA joint, but hopefully the extra supply in the whole body should allow more than usual to seep to the affected area.

(4) Cortisol and epinephrine work even better when taken together. Yummy, chocolate covered licorice (real licorice please) or chocolate in coffee. Or licorice mixed with banana.

(5) Some other substances the body needs to help build epinephrine are lysine, methionine, tyrosine, vitamin C, vitamin B6, manganese and MAGNESIUM.

This diet above is based on recent scientific observations, but has never gone to clinical trial. So it is "not scientifically proven" but personally I try everything I find on earthclinic. My initial results from this remedy are good. Hopefully it will continue for more than just a few weeks and is not just a placebo effect. Hope you find hope in it.

Straub-Cutolo Remedy
Posted by Ray (Calgary, Canada) on 12/16/2014
5 out of 5 stars

About a year now since starting doing this procedure (especially taking coffee with chocolate in it, and hot peppers). So far it is almost as if there had never been any RA. Amazing. Will go back to doctors to see if it shows any results on the rheumatoid factor and citrulline tests.

MSM, Magnesium, Vitamin D
Posted by Nanowriter (Hotspot, Texas) on 10/30/2013

Check out the Borax section here in EC. Somewhere in there is a really good link that discusses boron and arthritis.

MSM, Magnesium, Vitamin D
Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 10/31/2013

Arshia: Functioning cells thrive in a state called respiration. Cooked regular food does not provide enough nutrition to maintain this. A state called fermentation occurs. Components of the cells become damaged and begin making bad substances like leptins. These are bad hormones of both the metabolic and immune systems. These are causing the immune system to attack the joints. Andrew Kim explains this technically in his three blogs, when cells go bad, insulin revisited, and diabetes. The best way to reverse fermentation and aquire respiration is to follow the 80/10/10 program. Google raw food videos for instructions.

MSM, Magnesium, Vitamin D
Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 10/31/2013

Arshia: ATP is recognized as a neurotransmitter, growth factor, pain perception mediator, nerve cell protector, cancer fighter, and intracellular signaling molecule. A state of respiration increases this beneficial substance. Google Andrew Kim Blog, when cells go bad, for a good explanation.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Kathy (Ontario, Ca) on 02/09/2013

First off... I don't have arthritis... However I know an older woman that does, I don't know if it's RA or not but about a year ago I commented on how lovely her hands were. She proceeded to tell me that her hands were so painful with arthritis and she has massaged them for years to help with the pain and to keep them from getting crooked. What she did/does is massage, squeeze her fingers so they are straight (at the point where they started twisting) and then wraps them with a fabric tape... Not sure what kind maybe the white tape in med supplies. (leaves the tape on for a few hours) She said that has prevented her hands from becomming claws. She also said it is a very painful process.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Dan Cruz (Edmonton, Alberta) on 02/09/2013

Excessive taking of apple cider vinegar will some day irritate your throat. You can try Omega 3 as this is good for arthritis or RA and also Ezorbs capsule (browse it in the internet).

Rheumatoid Arthritis and UTI Connection
Posted by Kimberly (California) on 06/18/2021

Interesting. I've read a 3 day water fast will reset your immune system. Maybe, the fast gets rid of the antibodies. Going to try Dr Fuhrman's protocol for fasting. Antibiotics put me into remission 2x, but not this time. My feet are so painful.

General Feedback
Posted by Dotsdaughter2 (Buffalo, Ny, Us) on 11/08/2012

I have Rheumatorid Arhritis, very nasty disease. My doctor finally ( after hammering him) tested me for bacteria called microplasms and others and I tested positive. Many doctors believe autoimmune problems come from parasites. I found a site called Roadback foundation, it run by volunteers who have autoimmune disease, like this site has a great group of people. Its based on using antibiotics for many auto immune problems, rather then mainstream drugs, i have been on antibiotic for 2 yrs and doing very well. I hope to be in remission within 2 years. I am going to start oil pulling tomorrow I'll let you know how this works out. I wish everyone here a great week.

Low Dose Naltrexone
Posted by Chip (Playa Hermosa, Costa Rica) on 05/24/2014
5 out of 5 stars

I agree that LDN is great for Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Last year I started LDN because I thought I had MS (actually was diagnosed with MS by several different neurologists-but it turned out to be aspartame poisoning) anyway I had been taking 1.5 mg LDN daily and after 4 months the pain and soreness that had been present in my hand joints for several years was gone. After 1 year it is still gone, however I have OA in my hips and the LDN has not done much. It is my understanding that everyone reacts a little differently to LDN and up to 65% of the people who take it get rid of RA symptoms within 6 months. I have a Dr. here in Costa Rica who was educated and did his residency in Houston, as such he writes prescriptions for people and will send them via email on his letterhead to the pharmacy. Skip's pharmacy accepts it. Email me and I will provide his contact info, he charges $40.

Dietary Changes, Colloidal Silver
Posted by Myrranda (Kentucky) on 03/16/2014

I have discovered that ham makes the joints in my fingers stiff, swell, and hurt. So, I threw what I had left in the garbage, never to buy it again. Good quality black cherry juice makes it go away. One to two tablespoons a day, but like certain supplements its not to be over done (like dont turn it up and drink half the bottle). Can be found in most healthfood stores and some grocerys where the vitamens are.

Posted by Benghiman (La Houssiere, Vosges, France) on 05/02/2012

There is just one proven way to be rid of arthritis in all its forms.

80,000 iu Serrapeptase is now known to be the THE way to get rid of all types of inflammation - for this is arthritis - along with a mass of other problems. It was first used to remove blood clots. The most recent way I have heard of its benefits is in curing TB.

Hydrogen Peroxide
Posted by Theresa J. (Wasilla, Ak) on 12/15/2014

Can you post the video or inform what video is called? Thank you!

General Feedback
Posted by Susie (Las Vegas, Nv) on 01/20/2012

Thanks Linda for all the information. I went looking for hydrangea root tea today, I couldn't find it anywhere, even W.F. didn't carry it. Any ideas where to get it?

General Feedback
Posted by Imara (Lincolnville, Maine) on 01/19/2013

After many tries with various diets I have been on paleo for immune for 4 months and am off meds for my Rheumatoid arthritis. I still find some extra foods flare me like tree nuts and berries except blueberries. Also sweet potatoes, onions and garlic can cause issues. Sugar unless natural by fruit, red fruits and Citrus as well. I was in a wheel chair in 2011 and now lead a normal life except when I eat the wrong foods two days in a row. Hope this helps.

Chicken Cartilage
Posted by Louwrence (Rustenburg, North West South Africa) on 12/27/2011

Hi Zeenat, Go to youtube & there are a lot of videos on how how to make gelatin from cartilage, from chicken bones & beef or pork bones. Also control the acidity in your body otherwise nothing else will help.

Chicken Cartilage
Posted by Francisca (Zug, Switzerland) on 12/28/2011

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you talking about the old gelatin which was made of bones? Nowadays gelatin is made of plants so maybe it won't help arthritis. I know people used to take gelatin to strengthen their nails but had to stop as the old kind wasn't available anymore!

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Babyc (Brasov, Romania) on 11/14/2011
5 out of 5 stars


I'm 31 now, RA started long ago, around 12. My experience with RA hasn't been so harsh (no severe inflamation, crippling, pain) but enough to change my life and my habits. The diagnose was given only a few months ago, as a matter of fact.


- I STARTED CRITICIZING LESS (MYSELF AND OTHERS), TOLERATING AND LOVING MORE (yes, a wise, compassionate, positive attitude CAN make the body more alkaline and be a relief to RA)

-BECAME ALMOST VEGAN (I dearly recommend you all to watch FORKS OVER KNIVES for the ones still skeptical)

- I move quite a lot, dance, walk, swim and lots of stretching, yoga, PRANAYAMA (breathing exercises)

- I do CLEANSING (colon, liver), I take SUPPLEMENTS , mainly HERBAL, such as HARPAGOPHYTUM, TURMERIC, SAFFRON (if one can afford it , makes miracles for damaged joints), MSM, CLAY, AND MY LATEST DISCOVERY, RECOMMENDED BY A NATUROPATH: LIQUORICE ROOT POWDER, 10-12GR / DAY (started taking the latter a few weeks ago and I am feeling so much better, I know it might seem a lot, some find it emetic but works for me). Learn more, might be of some help for you too!


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Janine (Melbourne, Vic) on 10/15/2011

My parents gave me the ACV/water and honey when I was very young as it had been recommended to them as a treatment for Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I cannot remember what the results were, however, luckily I grew out of R Arthritis. I did receive other medical treatment.

At 56, I have just started ACV and water again as I suspect there could be Arthritis present, judging from some sore joints in hands. It's like a 'flash back'. I hated it as a kid but now don't mind it and hope to keep my system more alkaline.

I will report any noticable improvement.

Stem Cell Therapy
Posted by Cekm (Adelaide, Australia) on 10/25/2011

Hi All,

You guys are so amazing with your time. The medication I was prescribe two years ago is called Zinat here in Australia, used for treating viral infections of the airways and sinusus. Let me know if you can find out any info.

The condition has spread to my eyes now which is so upsetting, my career is really in jeapordy and I've just received a promotion. I am going to hit Ted's set up hard (Borax, ACV with BiCarb Soda & Magnesium) and buy a electronic PH meter. I am now also having to go on Enbrel to get things under control in the short term.

You guys are so great with your time.

Thanks again.

Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda
Posted by Gavin (Manganui, Northland, New Zealand) on 08/01/2011

In an old book called "secrets of the wardmaster"the author claims that a RA flare up is easily contained by taking baking soda untill the ears ring.. And then go to bed and sleep it off. When you awake the attck should be over.

General Feedback
Posted by Bmr (Quito, Ecuador) on 04/07/2011
4 out of 5 stars

My sister is still using the borax remedy for her RA. She has been on it for three months now, five days a week. She is not cured but it seems it takes longer before she has to take the cortisone (almost two months). But she has problems with her emotions, her life is not easy. She is using LDN too.

Dietary Changes, Apple Cider Vinegar, Herbs
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 03/08/2010

Kudos to you Windy!

I too have suffered unbelievable physical pain for the last 4 years. I have gone through all sorts of paths but the one that was the clincher was when I started to juice daily back in early Oct of '09. I started because of reading about the mini beet protocol here on EC. That led me to a raw food journey and cutting out all dairy, pasta, bread and meat. Voila! No more pain and instantly, I might add. I am still eating lots of raw veggies (and even went to a fantastic rawfood festival here in LA yesterday meeting lots of people who recovered their health through this) Since Dec., I have slowly added back in homemade soups since I felt the need for something warming when it got cold ;) here. I have continued to not eat any dairy, pasta or bread. Have had only the smallest amount of meat but with no reaction in pain. Still, I have embraced the vegan way and am loving the way I feel. Lots of energy, feeling clean and oh! to not be in pain. Through the experience though, I have learned compassion for people in pain. I am 53 and up until this turn of events was in very good physical shape having been a dancer all my life so in all other respects was what I considered healthy. I really hope this info helps others.

Oh and Windy, you can watch Brian Clement speak who took over Ann Wigmore's work many years ago including her healing center. I learn so much from him. Watch him on youtube- there is a lot of footage of him giving very valuable advice, research, clinical results, etc. Since listening to him we have added in lots of sprouts and sea veggies to our diet.

Stay healthy everyone, Lisa

Dietary Changes, Apple Cider Vinegar, Herbs
Posted by Ash (Chicago Ill) on 09/14/2015

Hi Wendy,

Read your post twice, I was impressed to see the result and your dedication, I just turned 40 and since few years dealing with excess calcium in my body, Had great biopsy and came as fibroadenoma and after that a bone spur in my neck and now RA symptoms in my arms and toes and whole body hurts now and then but that is not bad, Hate to take any meds and now I'm sick and tired of pain and agony 24 hrs, please advice me a help me.

Thank you for the Answer

Dietary Changes, Apple Cider Vinegar, Herbs
Posted by Askmeaboutgmos (New York) on 09/19/2015

Apple cider vinegar (organic with the "mother") and getting back to walking worked for me. You have to drink 1 to 2 Tbsp. a day or your pain will come back and daily walking also a must. I'm recently diagnosed with arthritis, knee tear and after finally sticking with the ACV and getting back to walking I am feeling great. We've got to keep moving.

Dietary Changes, Apple Cider Vinegar, Herbs
Posted by Valerie (New Zealand) on 10/28/2017

I suspect with excess calcium in the body that a simple solution is getting Vitamin D levels checked or 25OHD, as too little vitamin D will cause the parathyroid to be one hyperactive which causes calcium to be taken from bone into the blood increasing the chances of excess calcium in joints, kidney stones etc. Solution: get out in the sun more and take D3 during winter.

Hydrogen Peroxide
Posted by Gemini (Los Angeles, Ca, Usa) on 05/29/2011
1 out of 5 stars

My wife, who has Rheumatoid Arthritis, used Hydrogen Peroxide for about 1 month. She built up on the dose per instructions and was taking 25 drops in 6oz of water 3 times a day for the last 2 weeks of the month. The H2O2 caused a her a lot of fatigue, which was expected according to the side effect descriptions. She also experienced a significant increase in joint pain during the entire time on H2O2. She eventually stopped using it because there was no improvement in RA symptoms, and it appeared that the H2O2 was making it worse.

Hydrogen Peroxide
Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 05/29/2011

Hi Gemini -

Research BORON for arthritis. I take 3mg a day with Magnesium and Calcium (equal amounts of the ca and mg - and I sometimes skip the Calcium, because of some of the things I have read I do not take it every single day) along with 5, 000iu of D3.

I have no more pain in my hands unless I really overdo it.

Seriously great stuff for arthritis, and it costs very little. Read about it. Just google "boron and arthritis".


Hydrogen Peroxide
Posted by Robert (Texas) on 04/19/2018

To the lady with HCV, I would recommend you try MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement)

General Feedback
Posted by Kimberley (Memphis, Tn) on 08/31/2010

You do need to alkaline your blood. The best way to do this is with baking soda: 1 tbl mixed with molasses (unsulfured). Molasses is a carrier for the baking soda. Very important to mix the two, also add a little good water drink in am then do not eat for two hours. With your night time meal, take a potassium supplement 99mg. Do this for 10days, then stop for about a month unless pain comes back sooner. Follow these directions as close as possible. Normally you will start feeling pain relief within two days. Help the situation by watching your diet. The really cool thing about this remedy is that it will cost you around 15 dollars at your local health food store.

Oil Pulling
Posted by Tamara (BC, Canada) on 12/08/2008
0 out of 5 stars

I am 25 and have had RA for 1-1/2 years and am on medication but I have been oil pulling for 1 week but have cut out dairy, wheat, corn, soy, sugar, caffeine for 5 weeks, take mineral supplements but feel terrible, seem to be worsening everyday. It is very difficult to continue this when I am not feeling better, has anyone gone through this and if so how long until you will feel better? The pain and swelling is in both my feet and my fingers. So walking and anything with my hands is difficult. I need encouragement to continue on if it's going to work with this instead of resorting to more medication!

Oil Pulling
Posted by Nick (Denver, Usa) on 08/04/2009

I think part of your problem is you are having a herxheimer reaction. By doing the things you are doing you can stir up toxins and what not that can cause a flare up. If it were me and you are indeed causing dieoff I would make sure you are definitely taking care of your liver so you can flush the bad stuff out as it comes up. If you are not draining the junk properly it will get "backed up" for lack of a better phrase causing you issues.

Oil Pulling
Posted by Cynthia (Jacksonville, Alabama) on 06/03/2010

we've gone the gamit of what to drink.. . we've paid big money for expensive water filters one hooks up to their tap.. . bottled water, yada yada~ We live in an area near where Monsanto has had suits filed against it for pcb's etc.. . drinking bottled water is not a solution.. . the pcbs from the plastic in the bottle are evident.. . think about the plasticly taste of most bottled water.. . and there's no guarantee of the quality of it either.. . plus the pollution of all those bottles heading straight for the landfills.. .not to mention the cost.. .

we have for years been using 2 brita pitchers.. . as long as u change the filter on them when you're supposed to.. . it's a pretty good happy medium.. . at least they're supposed to get rid of lead.. . as long as u keep the filter changed out.. . the occasional blk specks are charcoal.. . ppl take pills of charcoal from the HFS so, one can relax about it.. .they say.. .if George Washington were to come to our time now he would die very quickly, being non immune to the toxins and contaminents in the environment.. .developing an immunity to things is something to take into consideration also.. .

Also, liver cleanse fasts.. . occasional juice fasts.. . and improving diet afterwards.. can help stem the tide.. . my hub for 31 yrs so far and I
drink our water ice cold.. it only tastes good to us that way.. .u are asking for trouble drinking sodas.. especially diet.. .we will on very rare occasion drink HFS soda like ginseng up, root beer or ginger ale... at the very least switch to a healthier soda.. . but cut way back.. . regardless.. . if you are not 100% healthy all the time.. . u may look at what u consume, u are what u eat, the cliche is pure and true.. . let ur medicine be your food and drink and your food and drink be your medicine.. .mother nature's drink is water.. .

100% juice can be a good thing sometimes but, is it organic? what about pesticides, etc.. ? The body needs water.. . would u take a bath in juice, soda, coffee or tea? your cells need plain old water.. develop a taste for ice water is my suggestion.. some ppl put a squirt of lime/lemon ..

good luck.. .<3 :D hey~ namaste, mahalo,c/see/sea~

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Kris (W. A) on 09/13/2021

ACV IS a brilliant alkaline product. So one would become less acidic. Perhaps the week off the ACV would prevent becoming too alkaline.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Marcin (Toronto, Canada) on 04/14/2015

Two remedies for rheumatoid arthritis from ayurveda are:

1) Massage of the inflamed joints with a warming oil, such as sesame oil, almond oil or castor oil, or even better, mahanarayan oil, which is a sesame oil loaded with beneficial herbs, but may be hard to find.

2) Formulas with Commiphora Mukul: yogaraj guggulu if your joints are cracking or kaishore guggulu if your joints are hot. If not available, you can try Boswellia.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Conchita (Orlando, Florida ) on 04/12/2018

Are you drinking the ACV and water or using it topically on the ankle? You should be taking approx 2 teaspoons of ACV per day, by mouth, water is optional.

Posted by Butterfly (Albion, Mi) on 10/06/2015

Hi, I have tried acupuncture 4 times but very painful for me. I was so bummed, but I balled like a baby, he was trying to help the pain in my feet so I could take my long walks, he stuck needles between my toes and I literally balled and he stopped. Now we are doing Lidocane injections. I was wondering if anyone on here has had Breast Augmentation? I had it done in 2001 and I have researched this that it will cause Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have changed all my eating habits, I cut out gluten, I drink Apple Cider Vinegar, I make green smoothies and fruit smoothies, cut out sugar. so now I know my Acupunture may be right that it's the augmentation. Anyone else go thru this?

Posted by Martha (Mattapoisett, Ma) on 01/23/2010

I am so excited about ACV! I am going to start today! I was diagnosed with RA 3 days ago after 18 blood tests with no answers so I finally know what all this PAIN is from! I don't want to take all the steroids and harsh drugs that were prescribed at ALL! I will start with acv today, I am also very interested in buying one of Ani's Dad's copper bracelets, can she email me so I can have him make me one!? Thankyou ALL sooooo much!

Posted by Pee (Florida, Usa) on 06/19/2010

years ago, when my grandma was alive i bought her one as a gift and she very much liked it not cause it looked like a bracelet but because she said it worked. At the time i thought she was being kind but my aunt, her care taker said she had commented that it did work! but be sure to inquire what hand it she be on, i heard it makes a difference! sorry, but i bought it at a mall, in a kiosk shop! good luck!

Posted by Dennis (Colorado, Usa) on 10/19/2017

Been wearing copper bracelets for years on both wrists, and yes they help, but I still have pain, in fact lately a lot of pain. so I am going to try Hydrogen peroxide and other dietary regimes, any suggestions?? thanks, Professor Sprouts

Juice Fasts
Posted by Gabriela (Pahoa, USA) on 02/01/2008
5 out of 5 stars

I have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis almost 25 years ago and was suffering on and off with painful inflammation in my hands. After taking all the usual prescribed medicines for about a year, I had enough and went on to cure myself. I did 4 weeks of juice fasting and afterwards ate only vegan and mostly raw foods (all organic). I also let the dentist remove all my amalgams. Over the years when my diet got poor and my stress levels high, I would get inflammation again. Whenever I went back to juice fasting (the ultimate detoxification, I would do this for all kinds of diseases) and eating RAVE diet (google it) foods, I get symptom free. Stress in life is often unavoidable, but we have power over the foods we eat. Juice fasting and' RAVE diet are my cure for Rheumatoid arthritis. If I find myself eating too sweet (sugar is poison, I use Stevia and Agave syrup only), I counteract with greens. (alalize again). Industrial food (all prepared food) is poison. I don't eat it.

EC: We emailed Gabriela for more details...

Juice Fasts
Posted by Ron (Fl) on 04/09/2014

Few realize the actual cause of RA. That cause originates in the bowels and has everything to do with digestion, leaky gut and toxic colon. Juice fasts certainly help the problem but in order to speed that process, I also recommend sodium bentonite powder, five tablespoons each day for about a year to heal the bowel and body. That can be done with the juicing. What you are doing with the juicing will work it will just take more time to cure. Those that continue to take the doctor prescribed medication have no idea that the medication is actually contributing to the problem making things worse and that is why people have to change drugs after a time. Another very important part to the healing process is probiotics. Happy healing.

ACV and Baking Soda, MSM, Mag Citrate
Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 10/10/2013

For people who have trouble with dairy, I would try raw milk if you can get access to it. Raw milk is very healthy. Many dairy sensitive people have no problems with raw milk. Pasturization destroys all the good things in milk that improve your health.

ACV and Baking Soda, MSM, Mag Citrate
Posted by Mary (California) on 10/05/2016

I drank three cans of tonic water with quinine. The next day way less inflammation. I then drank two cans daily for a week. Inflammation gone. I continue to take the apple cider vinegar daily tho. If you don't get relief then you are eating things that cause you inflammation. I did the ALCAT blood test and it told me what foods cause inflammation in my system and I avoid them. I also drink Kombucha tea which has probotics to heal my stomach. I wish you health and to be pain free.

Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda
Posted by Martha (Mattapoisett, Ma) on 01/27/2010

To Crystal from Mount Vernon Indiana, I have been taking 2 teaspoons of ORGANIC apple cider Vinegar and 2 tsp Organic honey and 1/4 tsp baking sodA FOR 3 DAYS AND MY RA SYMPTOMS HAVE ALMOST COMPLETELY GONE AWAY, SO TRY THAT COMBINATION INSTEAD OF Tablespoons of ACV and no honey..Add the honey to your recipe.....I can't believe how much better I am , it's been 6 months of constant pain, I can even wear my rings again!!!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Shifalika (Chandigarh) on 10/24/2015

I was diagnosed with RA few years back when I was 24 years of was going well n it didnt flareup but after my pregnancy it flaredup suddenly....n affected all my joints badly including my hip joints, knees, ankle bones, wrists n fingers was a worse condition....ya its right we ourselves have to keep on check that which diet triggers your black beans, curd, citrus fruits, spinach, egg plant all these seems ro be poison for RA...then I started taking tulsi organic green really helped n then my sister sent 100 percent fish oil capsules....after searching on internet that fish oil contains omega 3, DHA, EPA n all these three convert the inflamatory substances into resolvins n inhibits RA n stiffness too....but I will start taking cider too but I m in doubt its also sour n can it increase my pains.

Dietary Changes
Posted by Monica (Ny) on 01/25/2016
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Hi Nadine I understand what you are going through, I also suffer from RA for the past 8 years I try all type of medication and nothing seem to work, I am a diabetic with Bata Thalassemia the last medication that my doctor have me on it send my blood pressure very high I just stop taking it. thanks for the information I am looking forward trying natural herbs to help with the swelling and pain. stay healthy. p/s my doctor also give up on me.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Mae (San Diego) on 08/12/2005
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I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and I do know that ACV helps, but I was not drinking it every day when my pain came back and it hurt to walk I started back on the ACV I how drink it every day and it helps fight the inflammation and I don't hurt as much. I make a tea two or three times a day I put three tablespoons of ACV in a cup of hot water and one tablespoon of honey.

Colloidal Silver
Posted by Susie (MO) on 11/20/2021
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I started taking 1 tbs a day about 8 days ago. I have pain under one arm, skin sensitivity and top of ribs and all the way and my body like a ring of sensitivity and had a small area in the front of me of little blisters. Also an area of skin sensitivity on my scalp and pain. Wondering if this is a healing crisis or should I stop taking it at least temporarily.

I started it for r.a.

Lemon Peel and Olive Oil
Posted by Paulette (Queensland) on 11/19/2020

I am really interested to try this. Can you tell me how long the mixture can be stored for and if it should be refrigerated?

Lemon Peel and Olive Oil
Posted by Kk (Singapore) on 11/20/2020


Singapore is humid and hot 34degC day time. Can I use extra virgin coconut oil instead of olive oil?

Dietary Changes
Posted by Sonia (Florida) on 11/21/2020

Hi! Were you adding sugar to green tea? Thank you!

Posted by Shaz (Nsw Australia) on 07/02/2017
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RA: Used borax drink for 6 months, was in remission. Now it's not working, any ideas as to why? Plz and thank you.

Supplements, Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Ra Not Getting Me (Michigan) on 03/20/2016

Is the NSC 24 Beta Glucan the one found on Amazon or Swansons Vitamins? Do you prefer any specific brand or company? Thank you.

Supplements, Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Idit (Israel) on 08/17/2020

Can you provide an update?

Supplements, Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Gerry (Malakoff TX) on 05/29/2022

I would love to know more about your trying for RA. Like much of each supplement and how you use ACV. Thank you for sharing, and your offer to help.

Gluten-Free Diet
Posted by Ra Not Getting Me (Michigan) on 03/20/2016

I am beginning to realize after eliminating most grains but specifically gluten, if gluten is my cause too. I've had very little as I stayed home most the winter and home cooked all my meals. I ate out a few times recently and have had 2 bouts of attacks. I read a few years ago that gluten is the culprit. I'm trying to cure my Hashimoto's thyroid issue naturally, and was told to get off all grains as this causes inflammation. Maybe there truly is a cure for this awful pain. I'm any case, I tried the vinegar and my pain subsided. This vinegar has been my staple since I found this website a few years ago!!

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Patsy (Liverpool, UK) on 09/27/2015
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I was diagnosed with RA at age 27. I'm now 50 and for many years I took methotrexate and lived in denial. I've had surgery on my feet several times. I began trying to find a solution through diet 3 yr ago. I gave up meat followed by dairy.( I had read these were triggers) however my RA was creeping back so I did a workshop with a health researcher who 30 yrs previous had cured his own RA and told me it was either a deficiency, diet or a possible food allergy and recommended Patrick Holford's Say No To Arthritis. (I was now taking a variety of nutrients recommended: vit C, vit D3 10,000, MSM, Fulvic Minerals, and still it was progressing.

After reading his book, I was certain a food allergy was my problem. I paid £250 for a york allergy test (food) however the results weren't conclusive I was allergic to meat, fish oils, sea food. Mostly stuff I didn't eat. Milk weren't there so I started having milk again on my porridge. Then I discovered "The Borax Conspiracy" article. Again, I was convinced I had found the solution. I ordered the boron supplements and started on 9mg Triple Boron Complex (x3 3mg) as recommended reading all the testimonals and believed again I had found the solution. 5 days into boron and I had the worst herx, I struggled downstairs with every part of my body hurting like never before. I believed this was a good sign and continued meantime I included different nutrients so I'm now taking Vit C, D3, boron 9mg, sellenium, potassium, flaxseed, magnesium, vit B1,2,3,6,12, and folate. The herx didn't subside, it just sent my RA into overdrive and now I'm swelling and hurting in other places that weren't affected and has made it worse than ever.

Starting to feel deflated and defeated, I read about LDN, surely this is the answer my thinking was: I have had this condition so long my body doesn't know the war's over and 8 wks ago I started on LDN tbh. I didn't think it was doing anything and my RA is so bad my consultant wants me on medication (another trial) bc I have 20+ inflamed joints, and I'm really struggling.

Last week, I forgot to take my meds 1 night (LDN) and next day I was in pain so I do believe it's having an effect, however it's not putting me in remission. I am now so disheartened and don't know were to turn or what to do next I can't bear this pain. I'm waking through the night for pain killers it's just not stopping. I am so deflated and sick of pain.

I'm useless and can't do simple things, I can't plan ahead, my life is so limited I chose to stay in bc everything is a struggle.

I'm now trying ACV but it's soul destroying when nothing works. Any advice is welcomed. I'm struggling with depression now. Sorry this is a long thing.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Anon (Usa) on 09/27/2015

Perhaps the following would help but please google and read first before committing:

D3/K deficiency isn't this a major problem in the UK? Did you take K with the d3? Jeff Bowles wrote a book on this and did his own study taking very high doses of D3 along with vitamin K. His book might be helpful to read or you could just read the reviews on


Garlic would large doses of garlic perhaps in capsule form to rid the body of the bacteria that may cause RA?

Hydrogen Peroxide Food Grade

From Road Back Foundation Discussion Forum a reader suggests drinking small drops of HP in water or actually spraying food grade HP directly on the area of pain.



Have you had a chance to read Overcoming Arthritis by Dr. Brownstein? Perhaps there might some nuggets of wisdom waiting for you to find that might be helpful.


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Rsw (Oh) on 09/27/2015


I am so sorry you are suffering so terribly. Please know that LDN can take up to a year or more to achieve the full effect. Since it can be taken with anything EXCEPT opiate based drugs and it does seem to be working to a certain degree for you, perhaps you could continue taking it and use your pain meds at night if LDN is taken in the morning? (It can be taken at any time of day) Have you tried adjusting your dosage either up or down? Maybe add some Apres flex bosweilla? Some people take tramadol (sp?) for pain at a different time from the LDN with success.

Best wishes and I hope you find some relief soon.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Alan (Hudson) on 09/28/2015

Patsy, as a fellow RA sufferer I pray you find the blessed relief that has given me my life back. My RA had progressed to the point where most of life's physical needs hurt more than they were worth. I was near hopeless and imagining a life dependent on my wife and family at 60 yrs. old. After trying many things without success I tried Turmeric on the advice of an Indian grocer and the tide that had been rolling unchecked turned!! For me, 5 grams turmeric powder with 1 tbsp. walnut oil and 1/2 tsp. Rose hip seed powder in milk (I use cashew milk)...2x a day. I also eliminated most all wheat products. I buy the turmeric in 5lb. lots and it lasts quite a while...walnut oil is pricey but is high in Omega 3 and turmeric is best absorbed with fats and pepper. I still get stiff and sore when I rest but am able to handle the many physical demands of my farm. I hope this helps you find some relief.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Susan (California) on 09/28/2015

Try castor oil packs. I don't know if they cure the RA, but they are very soothing.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Patsy (Liverpool) on 09/30/2015

Thank you all so much for responding to my post there are some great snippets of advice from you all I do appreciate it.

I will look into that book "Overcoming Arthritis" as for Tramadol, I can't take them they make me so dreadfully sick. I take the LDN at night before bed bc I read it's between 2am and 4am that our body produces endorphins. thanks tho :-)

I do have the magnesium spray and I have a foot soak with epsom salts which takes the pain away for a short while. I also take gluco/chond/msm magnesium, ptssum, gluten free I was dreading bc I know I will struggle and I weigh 7 and half stone my diet is very limited. Anyways will be taking up some of your advice for sure thank you all again.

Chevieman, thank you so much for that information it is invaluable and I will print this thread, what you say has restored some hope and as well as a few other things I'll go at the boron again bc that was the most disheartening I believed it would work and I did have a mega herx. It made me mad when it never did what it said on the label kinda thing.

I'll include vit K, some reishi mshrm, the probiotic deffo ordering these things right now so thankyou your posts have restored my faith and lifted the heavy cloud.



I love this site it's awesome and I tell everyone who'll listen to check it out :-)

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Erin (Bat Cave, North Carolina) on 05/31/2016

Thank you, for all of the good information. This gives me hope.

Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/14/2015

Chevieman, but doesn't L-lysine bother the liver if you take too much?

Chicken Cartilage
Posted by Frances (Cabarlah, Qld.) on 07/30/2015

Michael, I live in Qld. could I have the supplier in Perth? I couldn't find it via eBay, etc.

Chicken Cartilage
Posted by Rose (Dallas, Texas Usa) on 07/30/2015


Can you please tell me what brand of Chicken Cartliage you ordered? I too was diagnosed with Rheumatoid and have had very bad reactions to the medicines. But am afraid of going back to the crippling state that I was in at the beginning. There are so many products out there that I just don't know which to choose from. I would greatly appreciate your input on this. Much thanks, Rose

Sesame Oil Massage
Posted by Becky (South Carolina) on 06/09/2015
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My mom has severe RA. I started taking care of her a year ago. But not before so much damage has been done by RA and RA meds. But I did start rubbing her down with sesame oil mainly because of the condition of the skin on her feet. Her feet was like scales on a fish and the smell was terrible. Where she had ulcers had left dents, that were hard. Her toenails thick and deformed looking. The daily rubs took care of all of that.

Then she allowed me to rub her down with the sesame oil all over. No more pressure sores and gradually no prescription pain meds, then no over the counter pain meds. My mom had been taken off any RA meds in 2013 when she had a severe infection that kept her in the hospital from Feb 2013 to mid June 2013. I had no idea what all RA affects, its not just joints and you don't find all the info in one place or at least I haven't. Swallowing, the mind, blood vessels, lungs, heart, etc ... And the RA meds have their effects.

I read years ago about research done that I can no longer find it. The research showed that long term of some type of antibiotics that would rid the body of RA. Anyone know of this research done in the 50s or 60s? I have read a lot on Holy Basil, but not on any references to RA . Since I have read of the research, then recently on Holy basil and wondering if it could possibly help. Has anyone tried it? I did find it a few weeks ago and have it growing.

Sesame Oil Massage
Posted by Rebecca (Pennsylvania) on 06/19/2015

You may want to web search the book called The Road Back by Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown. It has information about antibiotic treatment for rheumatoid arthritis using tetracyclines...including minocycline. Interesting info for rheumatoid sufferers...

Posted by Joi (Nc) on 04/25/2015
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Better But With Side Effects

I started taking 1g of MSM by Health for Designs for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I tried to go up to 2g, but the palpitations were too much for me so I stayed at 1. About a month after taking this dosag,e I started getting the palpitations again plus problems breathing. I stopped taking it and the palpitations and breathing issues went away, but now my RA pain is back. If anyone could recommend anything I could take with it or another dosage to help with the side effects I would greatly appreciate it. I had seen mention of taking MSM with the vitamin c. Does this help?

This is the first supplement that has helped my RA and I really do not want to go on the nasty drugs, so any help would be wonderful.

Posted by Charity (Faithville, Us) on 04/25/2015

I was just reading your answer before coming on the earth clinic, always looking for solutions. Msm lowers vitamin c so I take mine together. Vitamin C affects elasticity (in the form of collagen in blood vessels)

Posted by Connie (Tennessee, US) on 12/05/2014
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Turmeric ninja bullet RA is cured!!!! No more inflammation or pain. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

EC: Hi Connie, can you please send us the recipe/measurements you used? Thank you!

Posted by Mateen (Milwaukee, Wi) on 06/16/2015

I have RA in knee I refuse to take medication due to side effects. I am in so much pain. I heard about turmeric wondering if anyone has used it before, if so was it helpful? I am 61 years old, not as active due to discomfort in knee. I need my life back..

Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 06/16/2015

Dear Mateen,

We have used turmeric with success for pain of many sorts. Turmeric is a wonderful anti-inflammatory. I wouldn't hesitate to try it for RA.

Reducing sugar and also drinking things that will help to alkalize your body may also help a surprising amount. I have found a lime-sodium bicarobonate drink to be especially helpful for pain. In a tall glass of water, add 1 Tablespoon of lime juice and 1/2 teaspoon baking soda. Sometimes I drink this several times a day.

I was recently reading of the importance of magnesium to people with RA. If you do not supplement with magnesium in some way, you may want to try that, too.

~Mama to Many~

Posted by Om (Hope, Bc Canada) on 06/16/2015

Dear Mateen (Milwaukee Wi US)

I have the same but it is very much in remission due to:

Organic black strap molasses up to two tblsp. a day diluted in very warm water and taken with a straw.

Very warm pure untreated sesame oil massaged into the painful knee. any time.

Turmeric, one teasp. twice daily in very warm milk on its own and turmeric in all cooking with coconut oil one half tsp.

This is my protocol which has always been very effective.

The dosages are normal and more is not better.

No white sugar and processed foods.

I hope it will help you as it is helping me.

The body is becoming more flexible and no pain gradually.

Namaste, Om

Posted by Marion (Egg Harbor City , Nj) on 04/08/2017

Hello, my 35 year old son was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis recently and doing research turmeric helps, I saw your statement about a "shake" you make and drink could you possibly send me your recipe? He does not want to take some of the medications that are out there, some side effects worry us. If you could do this for him I would be extremely grateful.



Straub-Cutolo Remedy
Posted by Judy (Calgary) on 12/31/2014

Ray, do you buy the hot peppers raw & how many do you eat in a day? What kind of chocholate? I have some acid reflux but find the ACV/baking soda helpful. Would the hot peppers be a problem in your opinion?

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