Natural Remedies for Rheumatoid Arthritis: Effective Solutions

Hi,

I was diagnosed with RA at age 27. I'm now 50 and for many years I took methotrexate and lived in denial. I've had surgery on my feet several times. I began trying to find a solution through diet 3 yr ago. I gave up meat followed by dairy.( I had read these were triggers) however my RA was creeping back so I did a workshop with a health researcher who 30 yrs previous had cured his own RA and told me it was either a deficiency, diet or a possible food allergy and recommended Patrick Holford's Say No To Arthritis. (I was now taking a variety of nutrients recommended: vit C, vit D3 10,000, MSM, Fulvic Minerals, and still it was progressing.

After reading his book, I was certain a food allergy was my problem. I paid £250 for a york allergy test (food) however the results weren't conclusive I was allergic to meat, fish oils, sea food. Mostly stuff I didn't eat. Milk weren't there so I started having milk again on my porridge. Then I discovered "The Borax Conspiracy" article. Again, I was convinced I had found the solution. I ordered the boron supplements and started on 9mg Triple Boron Complex (x3 3mg) as recommended reading all the testimonals and believed again I had found the solution. 5 days into boron and I had the worst herx, I struggled downstairs with every part of my body hurting like never before. I believed this was a good sign and continued meantime I included different nutrients so I'm now taking Vit C, D3, boron 9mg, sellenium, potassium, flaxseed, magnesium, vit B1,2,3,6,12, and folate. The herx didn't subside, it just sent my RA into overdrive and now I'm swelling and hurting in other places that weren't affected and has made it worse than ever.

Starting to feel deflated and defeated, I read about LDN, surely this is the answer my thinking was: I have had this condition so long my body doesn't know the war's over and 8 wks ago I started on LDN tbh. I didn't think it was doing anything and my RA is so bad my consultant wants me on medication (another trial) bc I have 20+ inflamed joints, and I'm really struggling.

Last week, I forgot to take my meds 1 night (LDN) and next day I was in pain so I do believe it's having an effect, however it's not putting me in remission. I am now so disheartened and don't know were to turn or what to do next I can't bear this pain. I'm waking through the night for pain killers it's just not stopping. I am so deflated and sick of pain.

I'm useless and can't do simple things, I can't plan ahead, my life is so limited I chose to stay in bc everything is a struggle.

I'm now trying ACV but it's soul destroying when nothing works. Any advice is welcomed. I'm struggling with depression now. Sorry this is a long thing.

Perhaps the following would help but please google and read first before committing:

D3/K deficiency isn't this a major problem in the UK? Did you take K with the d3? Jeff Bowles wrote a book on this and did his own study taking very high doses of D3 along with vitamin K. His book might be helpful to read or you could just read the reviews on Amazon.com.

Colostrum

Garlic would large doses of garlic perhaps in capsule form to rid the body of the bacteria that may cause RA?

Hydrogen Peroxide Food Grade

From Road Back Foundation Discussion Forum a reader suggests drinking small drops of HP in water or actually spraying food grade HP directly on the area of pain.

Magnesium

Iodine

Have you had a chance to read Overcoming Arthritis by Dr. Brownstein? Perhaps there might some nuggets of wisdom waiting for you to find that might be helpful.

WISHING YOU WELL!

Patsy,

I am so sorry you are suffering so terribly. Please know that LDN can take up to a year or more to achieve the full effect. Since it can be taken with anything EXCEPT opiate based drugs and it does seem to be working to a certain degree for you, perhaps you could continue taking it and use your pain meds at night if LDN is taken in the morning? (It can be taken at any time of day) Have you tried adjusting your dosage either up or down? Maybe add some Apres flex bosweilla? Some people take tramadol (sp?) for pain at a different time from the LDN with success.

Best wishes and I hope you find some relief soon.

Patsy, as a fellow RA sufferer I pray you find the blessed relief that has given me my life back. My RA had progressed to the point where most of life's physical needs hurt more than they were worth. I was near hopeless and imagining a life dependent on my wife and family at 60 yrs. old. After trying many things without success I tried Turmeric on the advice of an Indian grocer and the tide that had been rolling unchecked turned!! For me, 5 grams turmeric powder with 1 tbsp. walnut oil and 1/2 tsp. Rose hip seed powder in milk (I use cashew milk)...2x a day. I also eliminated most all wheat products. I buy the turmeric in 5lb. lots and it lasts quite a while...walnut oil is pricey but is high in Omega 3 and turmeric is best absorbed with fats and pepper. I still get stiff and sore when I rest but am able to handle the many physical demands of my farm. I hope this helps you find some relief.

Try castor oil packs. I don't know if they cure the RA, but they are very soothing.

Thank you all so much for responding to my post there are some great snippets of advice from you all I do appreciate it.

I will look into that book "Overcoming Arthritis" as for Tramadol, I can't take them they make me so dreadfully sick. I take the LDN at night before bed bc I read it's between 2am and 4am that our body produces endorphins. thanks tho :-)

I do have the magnesium spray and I have a foot soak with epsom salts which takes the pain away for a short while. I also take gluco/chond/msm magnesium, ptssum, gluten free I was dreading bc I know I will struggle and I weigh 7 and half stone my diet is very limited. Anyways will be taking up some of your advice for sure thank you all again.

Chevieman, thank you so much for that information it is invaluable and I will print this thread, what you say has restored some hope and as well as a few other things I'll go at the boron again bc that was the most disheartening I believed it would work and I did have a mega herx. It made me mad when it never did what it said on the label kinda thing.

I'll include vit K, some reishi mshrm, the probiotic deffo ordering these things right now so thankyou your posts have restored my faith and lifted the heavy cloud.

I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED WITH ANY PROGRESS

xxx

I love this site it's awesome and I tell everyone who'll listen to check it out :-)

Thank you, for all of the good information. This gives me hope.

Chevieman, but doesn't L-lysine bother the liver if you take too much?

Michael, I live in Qld. could I have the supplier in Perth? I couldn't find it via eBay, etc.

Michael,

Can you please tell me what brand of Chicken Cartliage you ordered? I too was diagnosed with Rheumatoid and have had very bad reactions to the medicines. But am afraid of going back to the crippling state that I was in at the beginning. There are so many products out there that I just don't know which to choose from. I would greatly appreciate your input on this. Much thanks, Rose

BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS

I started taking 1g of MSM by Health for Designs for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I tried to go up to 2g, but the palpitations were too much for me so I stayed at 1. About a month after taking this dosag,e I started getting the palpitations again plus problems breathing. I stopped taking it and the palpitations and breathing issues went away, but now my RA pain is back. If anyone could recommend anything I could take with it or another dosage to help with the side effects I would greatly appreciate it. I had seen mention of taking MSM with the vitamin c. Does this help?

This is the first supplement that has helped my RA and I really do not want to go on the nasty drugs, so any help would be wonderful.

I was just reading your answer before coming on the earth clinic, always looking for solutions. Msm lowers vitamin c so I take mine together. Vitamin C affects elasticity (in the form of collagen in blood vessels)

I have RA in knee I refuse to take medication due to side effects. I am in so much pain. I heard about turmeric wondering if anyone has used it before, if so was it helpful? I am 61 years old, not as active due to discomfort in knee. I need my life back..

Dear Mateen,

We have used turmeric with success for pain of many sorts. Turmeric is a wonderful anti-inflammatory. I wouldn't hesitate to try it for RA.

Reducing sugar and also drinking things that will help to alkalize your body may also help a surprising amount. I have found a lime-sodium bicarobonate drink to be especially helpful for pain. In a tall glass of water, add 1 Tablespoon of lime juice and 1/2 teaspoon baking soda. Sometimes I drink this several times a day.

I was recently reading of the importance of magnesium to people with RA. If you do not supplement with magnesium in some way, you may want to try that, too.

~Mama to Many~

Dear Mateen (Milwaukee Wi US)

I have the same but it is very much in remission due to:

Organic black strap molasses up to two tblsp. a day diluted in very warm water and taken with a straw.

Very warm pure untreated sesame oil massaged into the painful knee. any time.

Turmeric, one teasp. twice daily in very warm milk on its own and turmeric in all cooking with coconut oil one half tsp.

This is my protocol which has always been very effective.

The dosages are normal and more is not better.

No white sugar and processed foods.

I hope it will help you as it is helping me.

The body is becoming more flexible and no pain gradually.

Namaste, Om

Hello, my 35 year old son was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis recently and doing research turmeric helps, I saw your statement about a "shake" you make and drink could you possibly send me your recipe? He does not want to take some of the medications that are out there, some side effects worry us. If you could do this for him I would be extremely grateful.

Sincerely,

Marion

RA

I have discovered that ham makes the joints in my fingers stiff, swell, and hurt. So, I threw what I had left in the garbage, never to buy it again. Good quality black cherry juice makes it go away. One to two tablespoons a day, but like certain supplements its not to be over done (like dont turn it up and drink half the bottle). Can be found in most healthfood stores and some grocerys where the vitamens are.

Ray, do you buy the hot peppers raw & how many do you eat in a day? What kind of chocholate? I have some acid reflux but find the ACV/baking soda helpful. Would the hot peppers be a problem in your opinion?

Hi, I'm in lot of pain due to my RA.I just turned 40 last month and felt pain in my wrist and feet joint.whole body is in pain and all joints ache and swell. Please guide me with right supplements. I am taking MSM and Magnesium right now and Vit D. Please guide me what else I can take for pain and stiffness and future deformaty.

Hi, Dave did you take dmso orally or Internally and what grade you took and when did you see the effect and did you take any meds with that any vitamins or any other supplement? And could someone tell me how to take Boron and what amount?

Dave Thank you so much for answering my question, I really appreciate it.I will look itnto it and order it as soon as possible.ty again.

Will Blackstrap Molasses counteract with an 82 year old who is taking potassium, nexium, and other over the counter meds?. She is becoming non mobile due to RA. What dosage is recommended? Thank you.

What is helpful for getting rid of inflamation from Rhuematoid Arthritis?

Juicing for Rheumatoid Arthritis: I tried every nasty medication for my severe RA and I unfortunately had the side effects that came with all the traditional RA meds. I woke up in severe pain for years, and recently I have been improving alot. I watched "Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" it's about a guy that has an autoimmune disease.

I juice fasted for a week and then stayed away from a few foods like dairy and grains that give me pain and now some of my joints are not swollen. I am weaning off my meds and I am optimistic. My pain in the morning has dimished. I think juicing just fruits and vegetables heal our bodies.

In response to UTIs and RA:

Very interesting idea and not the first time I've seen bacteria considered to be a source thought to trigger Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I was diagnosed w/Autoimmune Arthritis, possibly RA and AS in 2006. Among the physicians I saw, was a D. O. who gave me a book to read about Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown, MD. Dr. Brown was a physician and researcher from the 1930's through the 1980's. He isolated Mycoplasma bacteria w/in the synovial fluid of his pts w/RA and Lupus. He treated over 10, 000 pts successfully w/minocycline, then doxycycline during his tenure. The book about him is absolutely incredible and what most lay people here in the US don't realize is that in Europe the no. 1 tx option for RA is Doxycycline.

There is information online about Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown if anyone is interested in his evaluation and successful tx of absolutely thousands of pts during the last century.

Yes. The article cited is a summary article and lists research going back for 30 years.

But please note, antibiotics are not the complete solution but only part of it. The Proteus infection only "triggers", the autoimmune response. RA is not simply a bacterial infection.

Even after you have killed bacteria the body's immune system is still attacking you. As I said, the situation is that body joints "Look like" the enemy bacteria. So even though the enemy has been eliminated the body's immune system, the soldiers of our body, still think the bacteria are around, still think the enemy is around. They think the joint tissue is enemy combatants and so they attack it. The body's defense system is going after innocent "civilians" that look like enemy terrorists. That is the real problem, not the bacteria, which have probably long ago been beaten down.

So the real "treatment" must be something that goes after the immune system and not just after bacteria, to get the immune system to "cease fire" and realize that the "war" is over. That is why diet, magnesium supplementation, potassium supplementation, massage (especially connective tissue massage), meditation and other methods mentioned on earthclinic, methods that "calm" the autonomic nervous system are so important.

Forgot to mention that one of the best "massage" methods for RA is the dry brush method used in massaging the lymph system (part of the immune system). In this you try to stimulate the lymph nodes etc.

Hi Ray,

RA is a bacterial infection of the connective tissues which become invaded by a microplasma which is difficult to ID bc it hides within the connective tissue. The treatment is tetracycline antibiotics long term. It can take up to 3 years to reach maximum benefit or remission.

The doctor who championed the AP ("Antibiotic Protocol") was Dr Thomas Macpherson Brown as mentioned by a few others. This man treated over 10,000 patients before his death and most of em got better in fact 80%/ He helped many many people regain their life that his friends and patients set up the "The Road Back foundation" http://www.roadback.org/ his book is here on amazon, published in 1988

and the other book is here: for anyone with autoimmune disease this book is the answer

I've had RA for 25 years and have tried every remedy, diet and vit's and Min's associated with RA to no avail I am about to try the AP after finding these books I'm given hope again and feel so confident this is the solution it provides answers and evidence of it's effectiveness and the scientific trials plus there are now more recent publications confirming this is the case from Iran, Mexico, America and London check it on pubmed. They will have to revise the treatment but that's to come. The more I read the better it gets makes so much sense.

Dear Ray of Calgary, I was astonished to read what you had written with regard to the discovery of a connection made between antibodies to proteus/urinary tract infection as a causitive factor in Rheumatoid Arthritis. Thank you for including the link to the research article!

In 1995 I was diagnosed with sero-negative RA almost immediately following a miscarriage while being treated simultaneously with Ampicillin for a urinary tract infection. Although I had a urinary tract infection, the ER decided upon a D&C procedure. Three days later, I was totally incapacitated and bedridden from the sudden onset of what I know now to be RA. I won't go into too much detail about the last 17 years, but I have been managing this disease with diet, and without medications as much as I possibly can. I did finally decide to go on the minocycline antibiotic protocol, and that helped alot, but I weaned myself from the antibiotics in February 2013, after about six months of low-dose antibiotic treatment. I was feeling absolutely perfect, and thought I could discontinue at that point, which may have been premature. (I just don't like to be on medications at all, if possible) Eight weeks ago, in early April 2013, I started symptoms of a urinary tract infection. Within a few weeks, I was no longer in remission, and began another flare of RA, which is ongoing at this time, June 2013. I had never read that there was a connection between urinary tract infections and RA, but, as with your wife, this seems to be how my disease was activated as well. I always suspected a bacterial connection, as immediately after my miscarriage and simultaneous treatment with ampicillin for the urinary tract infection, I became highly allergic to ampicillin and all antibiotics in the penicillin family. I was also suddenly highly allergic to aged cheese. Penicillin and aged cheese causes severe, dibilitating pain in my joints and muscles, and flare ups of RA that last for months at a time.

I seem prone to urinary tract infections, and now that you have brought this connection to light, in going back in time, urinary tract infections have always resulted in a flare up. Different types of antibiotics were tried (Bactrim, Macrobid), and I always ended up in crippling pain, which I had attributed to a reaction to the antibiotics, not to the urinary tract infection itself. (I can tolerate tetracyclines, as minocycline and doxycycline don't have this effect). I understand what you are saying when you point out that even with this connection, RA can not likely be treated with antibiotics alone, and that the defect in the immune system must be treated and made stronger overall by healing the digestive system, keeping the body alkaline and well-nourished, and as chemical-free as possible. Rebuilding and maintaining a healthy immune system with autoimmune disease is definately not easy and takes lifelong commitment, but it is such a relief to know that there are things we can do for ourselves to extend our life span and to radically improve our quality of life. Thank you for sharing all of this valuable information, Ray! Best Wishes for good health to you and your wife!

DMSO can help with RA while colloidal silver can attack the new urinary tract infection. On the DMSO google "you tube DMSO 60 minutes" and you will get good information on DMSO's use for treating RA.

It sounds like Branwen could be having a Jarisch Herx-Heimer reaction from the antibiotics. Some illnesses, like Lyme Disease, when antibiotics are taken you will have a Herx-Heimer. All the symptoms intensify as they die off. Some doctors say they believe neuro-toxins are being released as the bacteria dies off. You actually get worse and feel worse for awhile, but it is a good sign that you are killing the organisms off. I know because I was diagnosed with RA and MS years ago and it turned out to be Lyme. Lyme is the great pretender and gets into every system of the body. If I was in this woman's shoes I would be tested for Lyme by IGENEX Labs in Palo Alto, Calif. A Western Blot and an Elisa are useless at this point as the bacteria burrows right into the muscle and tissue mass and our organs. IGENEX has a urine antigen test and a PCR that are remarkably accurate.

I would also like to share that I spend much time in Mexico and do ozone therapy to maintain my health. I have a friend who was diagnosed with RA and Lupus and 2 years of ozone and she is symptom free. I know that only about 22 states in the U.S. have legalized ozone. Europe is way ahead of us in this remarkable therapy which detoxes your body, builds your immune system and kills bad bacterias and viruses with no side effects. When I started the therapy I did have Herx Heimer reactions just like I did when I was using antibiotics to kill the Lyme. I have another friend in Colorado that has used ozone successfully for her Lyme also. It is also remarkable for plaque and high cholesterol problems.

I am a 49yr old female who has naturally combated RA without pharmaceuticals for 8+ years, while also having UTI's a few times each year.
My most recent RA flare-up has been the worse and I'm now seeing minor deformaty in fingers of both hands. Otherwise, very healthy and good weight/hight ratio.

If additional information is known about the connection between these two conditions or have treatment/natural remedy recommendations, will you please advise?

Hi Daza, I was wondering if you took the borax laundry detergent amount, as suggested here, or if you took the 3 mg capsules? If you took the capsules, how many did you take each day and at what time during the day for each one? Thanks for your post. To others on Earth Clinic, do you think the capsules also kill off candida and pathogens in the same way the laundry detergent does or are they much lower in dosage (supposedly 9 mg/day, max) than the borax laundry detergent in a liter of water solution? Thank you. I am always confused about the number of mg of borax in a liter of water at 1/8 teaspoon per liter.

Hello, At the age of 9 I have been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Sins then I have tried a lot of different alternative treatments. Think about Alkaline diets, fruit diet, Juice, Raw, Ortho, Fytho, Cleanings, earthclinic treatments, aryuveda. And al of them gave me signs of relieve but none of them helped me to overcome and stop taking chemical medicines. Plus that the only chemical medicine that helped me to have no RA symptoms where enbrel (TNF-alfa blockers). Notice I still have a alkaline diet mixed with aryuvedic influences natural medicines to help me a lot!!! But the reason I am writing this is because I found a wonderful medicine called LDN also known as low dose naltrexone. This is the first medicine that gave me clear signs of healing. Sins I started taking this I am off the enbrel (TNF-alfablockers). Before that I needed to take these medicines because if I didn't take them I would end up in bed not been able to walk. And this happened me many times because of my will not to take them while trying natural solutions.

You can find a lot of information on the net just look up under the name LDN or low dose naltrexone.
Here is one link http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/

I have to add that its not easy to find doctors that will describe you these medicines but if you look good enough you will find them all over the globe. Most of them are natural therapists that have the knowledge to help you. But in case of general hospitals and such they wont even give you a change to speak because they believe in nonsense. It took me some internet research before I ended up on a dutch LDN forum where I talked with some people who are taking this medicine for awhile. Most of them are MS patients and they are out of their wheel chairs thanks to this medicine. Now I am the lucky one to pass on this experience.

Please do your research- its a really wonderful medicine.

Greetings from the Netherlands.

Hi Chip,

I have been making my own Ldn for about 4 years since my doctor told me it should be helpful for autoimmune problems but also said her computer would reject any prescription she would write. I would love to be able to order from Skip's. I know many people who have great results making their own, but I have no noticeable benefit. It is possible that I don't have the receptor sites, but I do know Skip uses only pure naltrexone and adds a filler, usually Avicel, to the capsule. Would you please send me the contact information for your doctor? I would like to see firsthand if there is a difference for me. Thank you. I'm not sure how I can email you, but I am logged on right now and I give my permission for you to have my email.

HI I read your whole story please specify the doses and the diet you took and how long. I suffer same problem for almost 8 months and all the Dr's said same thing I have RA in many small bones in my hands and feet. Please post the things or vitamins you used. I don't want to go on RX meds, I'm only 38 yrs old. Please help

I would like to connect with anyone who has had H2O2 intravenous therapy for Rheumatoid Arthritis. Thankyou. Sandy

To Chevieman from St. George, Maine, thank you so much for your post!!!

Chevieman, Thank you, great post.

My friend aching joints diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. She went from doctor to doctor no answers She saw a naturopathic doctor who told her she was allergic to gluten. She stopped all gluten products and all the symptoms disappeared!

Started UC-II (Source Naturals) 70 days ago and feel it is helping.

I take 1,500mg VC and might consider more.

Magnesium Malate helps muscles and I get much better sleep.

I also take 1 x 3mg Boron, some BVitamins and VD3 1,000iu daily much better than used to be although still suffer with the rheumatoid.

Also take 1,500mg cap. of Oregano Oil for 1 month then off for 1 month. You also have to take a probiotic when on Oregano Oil. Careful as it can thin the blood - if you are on other blood thinners (e. G. anti-inflammatories) or fish oil iodine also thins the blood.

When my wrist, or knee or ankle swells I break open a cap. of Oregano Oil rub it on and stops the pain.

hi, i suffer from ra in my hands (never diagnosed) going on 6 months. i've been trying to follow what ted said to do, i've been taking 2 tbsp lemon juice and 1/4 tsp of baking soda twice a day and taking 500mg of magnesium citrate (i cut back to about 375mg was getting headaches from it), 1000iu of d3, haven't got the vit k2 yet. i've been hesitant on ingesting the borax (20 mule team). it's been a couple of weeks and no relief.

i just found on this site they now have boron borax pellets 30c. i would like to take these instead, but not sure how many pellets i need to take a day, and should i just dissolve in my mouth or take it like the borax in a liter of water and if so how many pellets in the water???? anybody out there that takes these pellets?

also, i've eliminated alcohol, salt sugar, dairy, nightshade vegetable from my diet, i only eat whole grains, salmon, tofu and veggies, still no relief. any ideas?

Hi Suzie, Very important is to get some proteolitc enzymes from Dr William Wongs website, the enzymes will desolve the junk in your joints. Dr Wong has got a lot of info on his website. Just type in Dr William Wong.

Hi Suzie, That's an awful lot of lemon juice for that tiny amount of baking soda. I also have RA, and have benefitted much from following Bangkok Ted's recommendation to add more Baking Soda until the lemon juice stops fizzing from it. It also may take a few weeks to kick in, with me it took ~3 weeks, then everything got noticeably better almost overnight.

I also do not like the taste of A&H baking soda, but B R Mill Non-aluminum baking soda doesn't have that taste, so I find it much easier to drink.

I have taken the wong stuff before. NO offense intended to the previous well-meaning poster, but it caused me some serious trouble and I will never, ever take it again. I recommend you save the megabux it costs, and buy a supplement which does not contain the superfluous fillers or excipients. I have had good results from _____ "Super Enzymes" in *capsules*, NOT in the tablets, it is available both ways. They cost ~$10.

If you search through the many Rheumatoid Arthritis Cures posts on Earthclinic listed under "Ailments", pay special attention to anything posted by Bangkok Ted, IMO it should help you much. His recommendations have consistently worked for me.

I use Hydrangea Root tea to dissolve joint calcifications from RA. You can add some fresh-squeezed lemon juice and raw honey, or Tart Cherry concentrate (Health food store or Vitacost) to dress up the taste if you want to.

Swedish Bitters also does me a lot of good. This can also be used in a poultice on swollen joints. If you do that, rubbing on some Coconut or Castor oil under the Bitters poultice will keep it from itching your skin.

I hope this helps,

Linda

To Linda, Have the same (R.A) as you- amazing about what you said about calcium carbonate. I have always asked myself why the budwig? diet started my R.A. It must have been the calcium carbonate in the cottage cheese that started all my pain and troubles in my hands.

Hi Imara, congratulations, that's great. Going gluten-free helped me with arthritis. I have just been reading up on sulfites (for my own health issues) and it sounds like you may be sensitive to sulfites - natually occuring and added to processed foods and soaps, shampoos, etc. Have you looked into that?

Thanks for the idea to look up sulfites. I will do that today. More tips the better. Imara

Hi Fellow EC readers.

I am 32 male and have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis two years ago, although I have negative rheumatoid factors.

Symptoms: Swelling and stiffness in multiple joints on both sides of the body

First sign of symptoms: December 2009 - No swelling, however was getting sore wrists

March 2009: Symptoms were getting really bad and had first appointment with Rheumatologist.

I have tried and persisted on all the natual remedies with no luck (ACV, wheatgrass, raw juicing, exercise, baking sode with lemon, fish oil, msm, tumeric, flaxseed oil etc.).

I have been researching Stem Cell therapy using the adipose stromal vascular fraction method. Basically taking fat via lipo from your own body then a process of separation of stem cells takes place and are reinjected into either the problem joint and or via IV back into your blood stream.

Pricing ranges from $8k - $20k AUD around the world for the procedure and you can also freeze or you need another session later.

Please let me know any of your comments around a durable long term drug free remission for this procedure. You may know someone or tried it yourself. Apparently they are claiming the stem cells give immunotherapy benefits by being able to re-regulate the immune response and shut down the overactive auto immune state.

I am thinking of getting it done, as Methotrexate is my next option (take sulfasalazine only) which we know has its own issues, or although with natural remedies will give me my life back and protect the longer term damage.

I hope if you are facing something similar that you keep your chin up, as I know what you are going through.

Regards, Cekm

Cekme;

Sounds like you got Lyme disease/fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue syndrome. Apparently caused by some kind of poison, like fluoride or mercury, in your tissues. Poly-Arthritis is a symptom, not a cause. Treat for the cause.

I gave this information to Margaret recently; see if it fits you:

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"Margaret;

Poly-myalgia is sometimes a result of fluoride poisoning. Did she by any chance take a prescribed anti-biotic, like cipro, etc, etc, just before getting the symptoms ? [contains fluoride]

Some anti-depressants also contain fluoride. , I think. Many other drugs do contain it also, a long list. Pesticides contain it. Rat poisons contain it. City water supplies contain it.

........... check all her medications to see if they are made/contain from fluoride, in any form.

If so, she must detox from it.

Research fibromylgia, lyme disease, CFS, treatment protocols."

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read the earthclinic. com article on fluoride as cause of lyme disease.

Hi Dud,

Wow you are right, I was given antibiotics two years ago and then after this for some reason BANG life has been a misery. I am going to ring the doctor to find out what he gave me, but life has been a disaster even since. How do I get the fluoride out of my body?

Cheers, Cekm

Cekme;

I have been caring for a family member who also has been plagued with the "poly-arthralgia" [= roving joint pains], tendon soreness, mucle soreness, joint soreness, CFS = chronic fatigue syndrome, and for awhile, colitis, or IBS, connected to wheat gluten sensitivity, which was also brought on by the fluoride poisoning process. Also developed rickets of the bones, or osteomalacia. And no doubt osteo-penia and osteo-porosis. Sudden onset about 3 years ago. Probable cause of fluoride poisoning, possibly from a fluoride based rat poison, or insecticide; from a suspicious source.

We stumbled around in the wilderness of the germ theory of disease for about 6 months while the disease symptoms got worse and worse, and the rickets/osteo-malacia set in, as the fluoride caused the calcium to be ravaged from the bones, as the body attempted to save the poisoned one's life by sacrificing the bones calcium stores to keep the blood's pH within the narrow pH range of the living.

After failing to get any relief by playing the germ-theory game, I eventually stumbled upon the fluoride theory of arthritis, poly-arthritis, LYMES disease, CFS, FMS, osteo-malacia, rickets, osteo-porosis, IBS, alzheimers, etc., etc.

One of the chief sources of information on this was from a article by a JASON UTLEY. https://www.earthclinic.com/CAUSE_OF_FIBROMYALGIA.pdf ..... , or: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/fibromyalgia.html#cause ....... and then many other new sources I found on the internet, by search engine searches using "fluoride", fluoride poisoning" , "fluoride arthritis" etc.

As to how to detox from fluoride, I would get calcium and magnesium and sodium minerals, and others, into my blood to try to quench the fluoride atoms from acid-ifying the blood. Choose the ionic forms of these minerals, that dissove in water, and are capable of donating their electrons to the blood chemistry, for use in quenching and neutralizing the fluoride ions. Go to this page, and read Bangkok Ted's ideas on using borax, baking soda, and lemon juice to neutralize the fluoride ions in the blood : Earth Clinic remedies to Remove Fluoride Poisoning and Buildup.
www.earthclinic.com/cures/fluoride.html
......... Do a search on earthClinic.com for "fluoride" and one on "fibromyalgia" also. Read up on all these ideas.

This should get you started on learning what to do.

The things I am told that can help remove fluoride from the body are: iodine, borax, cilantro herb as food, blood alkalyzing minerals, sea salt minerals.

The best symptom relief method I have seen work is the taking of hot water soaks in a bathtub, for about 30 minutes per treatment. using 1 quart of EPSOM SALTS and 1 tablespoon of BORAX, in the soak water..... For relief of arthritis & fibromyalgia symptoms. At least temporarily.

After the fluoride ions are removed: To undo the damage caused by the fluoride poison on the bones & cartilidges & muscles might take months & years of nutritional type supplementation, or special diets; I think.

I hope this helps you some.

Above all, learn all the possible sources of this poison.

note: bromide is a close cousin to fluoride, and is capable of causing most or all of the same damages. So you could also be suffering from bromide toxicity symptoms also. It is in the food supply also.

Cekme;... Addendum to last post :

If you are having trouble believing that hidden toxins can cause degenerative diseases; note that the powers that be teach that the disease of polio is caused by a germ, a biotic, a virus. They teach it so you will believe it. The historical evidence is that it is caused by a toxin called DDT. Polio never existed before DDT existed. [ circa 1890's] When DDT was banned as a insecticide in the USA, new cases of polio began fading away there.

the powers that be claimed that some injected monkey pus [or something similar] caused it to go away. No giant corporations that sold DDT were ever held liable in the courts for giving anyone polio. No profits were lost. Brain-washing successful. Thank you, scientists;... Here is some money.... We will just call it "research" money. [wink, wink]

Fluoride is similar. The carnage it creates is similar. Go on some of the LYME disease message boards on the w.w.w. and read some of these people's stories. Some of them choose to commit suicide rather than go on.

I've been taking Apple Cider Vinegar & baking soda for 7 days now Three days ago I started one of my worst flares of RA ever. Is this to be expected and do I need to stop or is this a "good" sign?

patricia

Thank you for all you information that you so freely share
I've had RA for over 40yrs and have tried so many "new" programs I sometimes feel like a lab rat I received your name from one of the many people who trust you and shared the methylene blue I would like it if you'd look over my program and give me your opinion I am not asking you for medical advise just your opinion please I really could use the help.

That can't be good for your blood pH taking baking soda and ACV. They both alkaline the body. One or the other. Too high of a pH isn't good. Balance is key. I use only ACV and have RA. Just an opinion.