Natural Rheumatoid Arthritis Treatment

Hi Ru, Have you tried msm? Also, dmso. Both are quite amazing. You didn't really say exactly what you've tried but I would try both. You can get high quality msm online. I use them both and find them to be quite effective. Also, eliminate dairy if you haven't tried that. Perhaps you can be more specific in what you have tried. Then, we can give better feedback. Thanks, Lisa

Dear RU,

Sorry to hear about your RA pain. I watched "Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" and it teaches how the body can heal itself if we stop poisoning it with sugar, processed junk and avoid dairy, grains and nightshades. My labs improve and my swollen joints improve when I stay on a raw food diet, not raw meat, raw fruits and vegetables.Try eating just raw fruits and vegetables for two weeks and you will see and feel an improvement. I like high dose of vitamin c for my choice of supplements. Hope you feel better.

Vit C is a water soluble vitamin. The body will only absorb about 500 mg +/- at a time and the rest is excreted in urine. It is best to take it several times a day to maximize absorption. Think smart don't throw away money. I have RA also and it is under control. I am going into research for RA. I am 27 yrs old. NOT MEDICAL ADVICE.

My mother also has RA and we have nettle tea in powder form. Could you please let me know how many spoonfuls/tablespoonfuls of nettle tea to take. Thanks.

I think part of your problem is you are having a herxheimer reaction. By doing the things you are doing you can stir up toxins and what not that can cause a flare up. If it were me and you are indeed causing dieoff I would make sure you are definitely taking care of your liver so you can flush the bad stuff out as it comes up. If you are not draining the junk properly it will get "backed up" for lack of a better phrase causing you issues.

Religiously avoid glutamate and other excitotoxins. Read up on glutamate and neurotoxicity. Scary...

A link between inhaling pig brain tissue and fibromyalgia type symptoms:

Star Tribune - "... Since December, 12 meatpackers at the Quality Pork Processors (QPP) plant in Austin and two at a plant in Indiana have reported fatigue, numbness and tingling in their arms and legs, with a wide range in severity. A few are severely disabled, while others have been treated and returned to work.

Their symptoms are like those associated with a number of diseases in which the body's immune system attacks the nerves or the sheath that surrounds them.

All the workers were stationed near the powerful air-compression systems that blow brains out of pig heads at what is known as the head table, officials said. The process is no longer being used at either plant." http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/15089906.html

I found relief from an overall achyness and pain in my hands and legs this way:

-- religiously avoiding excitotoxins like glutamate and aspartame, and mystery ingredients such as "natural flavor", "natural fragrance", "spices" and the like, also avoid all other additives and pervertatives... I mean preservatives...

-- avoiding sugar, salt and the things you mentioned

-- avoiding fluoride and heavy metal sources etc. like processed foods and beverages, bottled and tap water, sodas (Coca Cola, Pepsi etc), premade juices

-- eating organic and raw foods as exclusively as possible; may I suggest avocados, limes, green apples, bananas, melons, rice, steal cut oatmeal, sea salt, cold pressed sesame oil, cold pressed virgin coconut oil, cold pressed extra virgin olive oil

-- taking a few tablespoons of apple cider vinegar in water daily or as needed (I use the kind with the "mother), this worked nearly instantly, and mixed with a little baking soda has a pleasant taste

-- taking 1,000 to 4,000 mg ascorbic acid with rose hips daily or as needed (can cause gastric discomfort)

-- taking a 1/4 teaspoon Borax in a liter of water daily for a few days or as needed (God bless you, Ted)

-- taking a tablespoon of unsulfured blackstrap molasses as needed, try to find one with a high iron and potassium content

-- taking a teaspoon of magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt - a laxative) in a short glass of warm water with a chaser such as a strawberry or glass of cold water to rinse the taste from the mouth, I also do this if I feel pressure in my chest when I lay down

-- do a juice fast drinking dandelion roots/leaves put through your juicer and water - but not fluoridated pharmaceutical soup tap water:

Washington Post - "... In addition to caffeine, the drugs found in water treated by the Washington Aqueduct include the well-known pain medications ibuprofen and naproxen, commonly found in Aleve. But there were also some lesser-known drugs: carbamazepine, an anti-convulsive to reduce epileptic seizures and a mood stabilizer for treating bipolar disorders; sulfamethoxazole, an antibiotic that can be used for humans and animals in treating urinary tract and other infections; and monensin, an antibiotic typically given to cattle. In addition, the study uncovered traces of triclocarban, a disinfectant used in antibacterial soaps."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/09/ST2008030901877.html

may I ask what you drink then if you don't drink juices, colas ect? I admit I drink alot of sodas, I try to buy 100% juice on the labels when I buy juice. Is this still not good? I buy purified water.....I have city water which I don't drink, can taste the chlorine and hate the taste. Lord knows what else is in the water....so any suggestions on healthy things to drink would be appreciated!

we've gone the gamit of what to drink.. . we've paid big money for expensive water filters one hooks up to their tap.. . bottled water, yada yada~ We live in an area near where Monsanto has had suits filed against it for pcb's etc.. . drinking bottled water is not a solution.. . the pcbs from the plastic in the bottle are evident.. . think about the plasticly taste of most bottled water.. . and there's no guarantee of the quality of it either.. . plus the pollution of all those bottles heading straight for the landfills.. .not to mention the cost.. .

we have for years been using 2 brita pitchers.. . as long as u change the filter on them when you're supposed to.. . it's a pretty good happy medium.. . at least they're supposed to get rid of lead.. . as long as u keep the filter changed out.. . the occasional blk specks are charcoal.. . ppl take pills of charcoal from the HFS so, one can relax about it.. .they say.. .if George Washington were to come to our time now he would die very quickly, being non immune to the toxins and contaminents in the environment.. .developing an immunity to things is something to take into consideration also.. .

Also, liver cleanse fasts.. . occasional juice fasts.. . and improving diet afterwards.. can help stem the tide.. . my hub for 31 yrs so far and I
drink our water ice cold.. it only tastes good to us that way.. .u are asking for trouble drinking sodas.. especially diet.. .we will on very rare occasion drink HFS soda like ginseng up, root beer or ginger ale... at the very least switch to a healthier soda.. . but cut way back.. . regardless.. . if you are not 100% healthy all the time.. . u may look at what u consume, u are what u eat, the cliche is pure and true.. . let ur medicine be your food and drink and your food and drink be your medicine.. .mother nature's drink is water.. .

100% juice can be a good thing sometimes but, is it organic? what about pesticides, etc.. ? The body needs water.. . would u take a bath in juice, soda, coffee or tea? your cells need plain old water.. develop a taste for ice water is my suggestion.. some ppl put a squirt of lime/lemon ..

good luck.. .<3 :D hey~ namaste, mahalo,c/see/sea~

I just want to comment that when I read people say, "I had rheumatoid arthritis in my hands... Or in my knees... Or one specific joint" that is NOT rheumatoid arthritis. That is osteoarthritis. Rheumatoid arthritis jumps around and affects ALL of your joints and organs. Osteoarthritis is degradation of the cartilige in one joint. You may have osteoarthritis in more than one joint but it is still joint specific. Rheumatoid arthritis is an immune system attack on the body which causes fatigue and a whole host of other problems. Please be sure you know what kind of arthritis you have because what works for osteoarthritis may not work for RA and vice versa. Thank you.

Rheumatoid/Osteo Arthritis: So update, I have done oil pulling and still have twice everyday. My Arthritis is not completely gone. I think it's because i aint using the right oil. But i still sleep well and no more chocolate addiction. And branded scar is completly GONE Due to the Organic Sufflower oil that i pulled with. Anyways i wanna loose weight to help my arthritis because my doctor says i have both.((RA/OA)) So i try the recommended Master Cleanse Diet (from this site by a person). After day one i felt really Pain free. in that diet all you drink is Cayenne pepper in filtered water with Grade A/B Organic Maple syrup and organic lemon. Oh and diet tea and salt laxitive. I did that diet for 2 and half days without eating.

Anyways it was the cayenne pepper that made me pain free. I researched cayenne pepper online and bought the pills. It works great. I take more then it says too. it takes about 6 Cayenne fruit pills. it cost less the 3 dollars at Wal-mart. And Well worth it!! - u know that diet i was supposed to have min. Look up Cayenne pepper it does much more then just for pain oh and weight loss. 3 thumbs way up.

My update -- i stopped oil pulling in 2009 because i was pregnant with my daughter and I became ill every time i tried to swish. Anyways in that time NOT Oil fibromyalgia Pulling My RA had gotten worse and my teeth. I finally got the doctors to agree that I had RA and ruled out OA but i might have fibromyalgia. So anyways i am on day 2 of oil pulling and already i can feel it working and i slept better and it was easier to get up 3 times in the middle of the night. (( oh and i found sunflower 100% oil at the Dollar Tree of all places ))

In response to UTIs and RA:

Very interesting idea and not the first time I've seen bacteria considered to be a source thought to trigger Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I was diagnosed w/Autoimmune Arthritis, possibly RA and AS in 2006. Among the physicians I saw, was a D. O. who gave me a book to read about Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown, MD. Dr. Brown was a physician and researcher from the 1930's through the 1980's. He isolated Mycoplasma bacteria w/in the synovial fluid of his pts w/RA and Lupus. He treated over 10, 000 pts successfully w/minocycline, then doxycycline during his tenure. The book about him is absolutely incredible and what most lay people here in the US don't realize is that in Europe the no. 1 tx option for RA is Doxycycline.

There is information online about Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown if anyone is interested in his evaluation and successful tx of absolutely thousands of pts during the last century.

Yes. The article cited is a summary article and lists research going back for 30 years.

But please note, antibiotics are not the complete solution but only part of it. The Proteus infection only "triggers", the autoimmune response. RA is not simply a bacterial infection.

Even after you have killed bacteria the body's immune system is still attacking you. As I said, the situation is that body joints "Look like" the enemy bacteria. So even though the enemy has been eliminated the body's immune system, the soldiers of our body, still think the bacteria are around, still think the enemy is around. They think the joint tissue is enemy combatants and so they attack it. The body's defense system is going after innocent "civilians" that look like enemy terrorists. That is the real problem, not the bacteria, which have probably long ago been beaten down.

So the real "treatment" must be something that goes after the immune system and not just after bacteria, to get the immune system to "cease fire" and realize that the "war" is over. That is why diet, magnesium supplementation, potassium supplementation, massage (especially connective tissue massage), meditation and other methods mentioned on earthclinic, methods that "calm" the autonomic nervous system are so important.

Forgot to mention that one of the best "massage" methods for RA is the dry brush method used in massaging the lymph system (part of the immune system). In this you try to stimulate the lymph nodes etc.

Dear Ray of Calgary, I was astonished to read what you had written with regard to the discovery of a connection made between antibodies to proteus/urinary tract infection as a causitive factor in Rheumatoid Arthritis. Thank you for including the link to the research article!

In 1995 I was diagnosed with sero-negative RA almost immediately following a miscarriage while being treated simultaneously with Ampicillin for a urinary tract infection. Although I had a urinary tract infection, the ER decided upon a D&C procedure. Three days later, I was totally incapacitated and bedridden from the sudden onset of what I know now to be RA. I won't go into too much detail about the last 17 years, but I have been managing this disease with diet, and without medications as much as I possibly can. I did finally decide to go on the minocycline antibiotic protocol, and that helped alot, but I weaned myself from the antibiotics in February 2013, after about six months of low-dose antibiotic treatment. I was feeling absolutely perfect, and thought I could discontinue at that point, which may have been premature. (I just don't like to be on medications at all, if possible) Eight weeks ago, in early April 2013, I started symptoms of a urinary tract infection. Within a few weeks, I was no longer in remission, and began another flare of RA, which is ongoing at this time, June 2013. I had never read that there was a connection between urinary tract infections and RA, but, as with your wife, this seems to be how my disease was activated as well. I always suspected a bacterial connection, as immediately after my miscarriage and simultaneous treatment with ampicillin for the urinary tract infection, I became highly allergic to ampicillin and all antibiotics in the penicillin family. I was also suddenly highly allergic to aged cheese. Penicillin and aged cheese causes severe, dibilitating pain in my joints and muscles, and flare ups of RA that last for months at a time.

I seem prone to urinary tract infections, and now that you have brought this connection to light, in going back in time, urinary tract infections have always resulted in a flare up. Different types of antibiotics were tried (Bactrim, Macrobid), and I always ended up in crippling pain, which I had attributed to a reaction to the antibiotics, not to the urinary tract infection itself. (I can tolerate tetracyclines, as minocycline and doxycycline don't have this effect). I understand what you are saying when you point out that even with this connection, RA can not likely be treated with antibiotics alone, and that the defect in the immune system must be treated and made stronger overall by healing the digestive system, keeping the body alkaline and well-nourished, and as chemical-free as possible. Rebuilding and maintaining a healthy immune system with autoimmune disease is definately not easy and takes lifelong commitment, but it is such a relief to know that there are things we can do for ourselves to extend our life span and to radically improve our quality of life. Thank you for sharing all of this valuable information, Ray! Best Wishes for good health to you and your wife!

DMSO can help with RA while colloidal silver can attack the new urinary tract infection. On the DMSO google "you tube DMSO 60 minutes" and you will get good information on DMSO's use for treating RA.

It sounds like Branwen could be having a Jarisch Herx-Heimer reaction from the antibiotics. Some illnesses, like Lyme Disease, when antibiotics are taken you will have a Herx-Heimer. All the symptoms intensify as they die off. Some doctors say they believe neuro-toxins are being released as the bacteria dies off. You actually get worse and feel worse for awhile, but it is a good sign that you are killing the organisms off. I know because I was diagnosed with RA and MS years ago and it turned out to be Lyme. Lyme is the great pretender and gets into every system of the body. If I was in this woman's shoes I would be tested for Lyme by IGENEX Labs in Palo Alto, Calif. A Western Blot and an Elisa are useless at this point as the bacteria burrows right into the muscle and tissue mass and our organs. IGENEX has a urine antigen test and a PCR that are remarkably accurate.

I would also like to share that I spend much time in Mexico and do ozone therapy to maintain my health. I have a friend who was diagnosed with RA and Lupus and 2 years of ozone and she is symptom free. I know that only about 22 states in the U.S. have legalized ozone. Europe is way ahead of us in this remarkable therapy which detoxes your body, builds your immune system and kills bad bacterias and viruses with no side effects. When I started the therapy I did have Herx Heimer reactions just like I did when I was using antibiotics to kill the Lyme. I have another friend in Colorado that has used ozone successfully for her Lyme also. It is also remarkable for plaque and high cholesterol problems.

I agree with the idea that aged cheese triggers/ brings on the symptoms of RA. This is something people who suffer from arthritis should take note of as simple as it sounds. More people should be made aware of it. I am one such sufferer who by way of elimination and deduction realized the source of my pain and now refrain from all cheeses and voila no pain in the joints.

I flare up when I take antibiotics so I stay away and let my immune system take care of the UTI or any other infection. I have rushed and taken antibiotics when my body could have handled the infection. I was diagnosed with RA and bedridden six weeks after giving birth to my child. Maybe it is what they give us at the hospital that triggers RA and not an infection...too much antibiotics in the IV is my opinion. I am open to the infection theory too, but since I flare up so BADLY every time I have been given antibiotics, I still think antibiotics can cause RA or make it worse for sure. Try the Budwig diet for your RA, no sugar, no processed food, no meat and for me no grains. Juicing vegetable juice is key!!!

Pat (Merseyside),

Tetracycline, like many other drugs, comes with a fairly lengthy list of potential side effects which should definitely be considered given the proposed length of treatment (years). The longer duration of use probably increases a persons chances of running into one of those side effects at some point during the treatment, but this has to be weighed in relation to the possible benefit of eliminantion arthritis. As a person who used to have severe arthritis that is now in remission by usings Ted's borax remedy, I can certainly understand the desire to take that risk though. Here is a couple of links to the potential adverse events associated with use of Tetracycline of which some would be considered severe. Even borax is not compatible with everyone as mentioned on this forum.

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/tetracycline-side-effects.html

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=60469&name=TETRACYCLINE+HYDROCHLORIDE

This article discusses ways to help mitigate some of those potential side effects associated with antibiotic use:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130703160623.htm

Best of health going forward.

Art

I am a 49yr old female who has naturally combated RA without pharmaceuticals for 8+ years, while also having UTI's a few times each year.
My most recent RA flare-up has been the worse and I'm now seeing minor deformaty in fingers of both hands. Otherwise, very healthy and good weight/hight ratio.

If additional information is known about the connection between these two conditions or have treatment/natural remedy recommendations, will you please advise?

I have had about 8 UTIs since my RA diagnosis. What is interesting is I used the Sea Salt remedy from EC for my UTI and my arthritis felt so much better the next morning. My RA has deformed some of my joints so it's pretty bad. I also can not eat sweets, dairy, grains, corn, nightshades or beef. The one teaspoon of sea salt in a glass of water with a squeeze of lemon seemed to help both UTI and RA. I did eat 70% raw yesterday which always helps me. Eat your Greens!!!

Interesting. I've read a 3 day water fast will reset your immune system. Maybe, the fast gets rid of the antibodies. Going to try Dr Fuhrman's protocol for fasting. Antibiotics put me into remission 2x, but not this time. My feet are so painful.

I have come across and just started reading a book called The Acid Alkaline Balance Diet. It is suggesting to get tested for food allergies, using a four day food rotation plan or even trying a blood type diet as this can help for many ailments. Hope this helps.

Hi, thanks that's very helpful. I was considering getting a food allergy test done and I bought the book eating right for your blood type. I will now study up on balancing my food choices and trying to stay alkaline (very easy to do when I was vegan). Your post has been very helpful. Thanks again!

Hi! I've heard the Paleo diet combined with the autoimmune diet is meant to be very beneficial for RA and autoimmune diseases (try Googling the two terms). Basically, we're meant to have leaky gut, and before we can start to get better we need to heal our digestive tract. So I'm into day 3.

Basically Paleo is: eat lots of organic/free-range/grassfed meat and fish/seafood, as well as fruit and veg. No dairy. No legumes (beans). No grains (bread, pasta or rice, however some say white rice is okay, while others say it's a no-no). No sugar or refined stuff.

Autoimmune diet is: no nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, red capsicum, chilli). No caffeine. No sugar. No nuts or seeds.

From what I've read, it's meant to take anywhere between 4 weeks and several months to notice any difference in joint pain. There's a pretty British girl on Youtube who has successfully gotten her RA under control using this diet, she documents her journey on YT.

Hope this helps, and good luck to us all in being pain and med free!!

Hi: I think a good way to start would be to read the Borax Conspiracy link here http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm. Boron is so important that in Israel where it is very high in the water, they have .75% of population with arthritis but in Jamaica they have something like 75% where it is low in the soil. Take a peek at this. Also a very good idea would be to look into DMSO. Of course alkalizing your body as per Ted's protocol and the diet. Hope this helps.

Dear Patricia, Cat's Claw Bark is good for the inflammation of RA. It may take a number of different things in combination to help. Last year my daugther had symptoms of Juvenile RA. (Pediatrician thought that was what it was, but we didn't have the testing done as we didn't want to go the Big Pharma route. ) She was 8. We took her to a natuaropath who had her do many things. She also had asthma, migraines and eczema. Praise the Lord, she has no symptoms of RA or eczema anymore. Her migraines and asthma attacks are infrequent.

Daily she took Cat's Claw Bark in capsules, nettles in capsules, vitamin C, Blackstrap Molasses, and Vitamin D. She doesn't take any of that any more. If she has an asthma flare up, she takes nettles. She does take feverfew every day to prevent migraines.

She does have a pretty healthy diet, eats very little processed food.

You might also add Apple Cider Vinegar to your daily routine - 1 T. In 8 oz. Of water twice a day. Drinking at least 1/2 gallon of pure water a day (herbal tea and vinegar in your water are okay.)

Let us know what helps you!
~Mama to Many~

You may want to web search the book called The Road Back by Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown. It has information about antibiotic treatment for rheumatoid arthritis using tetracyclines...including minocycline. Interesting info for rheumatoid sufferers...

I am one of those who is doing Dr. Brown's antibiotic protocol with Minocycline. I have been on it since 2007. I was dx'd with RA in 2003. It has worked well for me. I do not take the antibiotic every day. Currently I only take 100mg on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. It is an option. I have tried to discontinue the antibiotics, but regressed quickly to the point of not being able to function. There are a few books out there about therapy and also the Rhuematic Support board. That may help you get more info.

What you are looking for is the Tetracycline cure. Go to a site called "The Road Back.org " and it will direct you to what you need. Amazon carries the original book and then there is a new updated RA arthritis book where they use minocycline which is more effective. You can seek out Drs in your area that use this protocol. I have not tried not myself but it is a low dose long term treatment to kill the infection they believe causes it. Good Luck

Can you tell me how much Shilajit you take? I saw Gold Shilajit and Shilajit M----, how many mgs. do you take? How long before you felt results? Do you take it for life?

Thanks, Rain

Are you still out there? How much Shilajit do you take a day (ie millgrams, etc. ) saw one called Gold Shilajit is this any good?

Cekme;

Sounds like you got Lyme disease/fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue syndrome. Apparently caused by some kind of poison, like fluoride or mercury, in your tissues. Poly-Arthritis is a symptom, not a cause. Treat for the cause.

I gave this information to Margaret recently; see if it fits you:

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"Margaret;

Poly-myalgia is sometimes a result of fluoride poisoning. Did she by any chance take a prescribed anti-biotic, like cipro, etc, etc, just before getting the symptoms ? [contains fluoride]

Some anti-depressants also contain fluoride. , I think. Many other drugs do contain it also, a long list. Pesticides contain it. Rat poisons contain it. City water supplies contain it.

........... check all her medications to see if they are made/contain from fluoride, in any form.

If so, she must detox from it.

Research fibromylgia, lyme disease, CFS, treatment protocols."

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read the earthclinic. com article on fluoride as cause of lyme disease.

Hi Dud,

Wow you are right, I was given antibiotics two years ago and then after this for some reason BANG life has been a misery. I am going to ring the doctor to find out what he gave me, but life has been a disaster even since. How do I get the fluoride out of my body?

Cheers, Cekm

Cekme;

I have been caring for a family member who also has been plagued with the "poly-arthralgia" [= roving joint pains], tendon soreness, mucle soreness, joint soreness, CFS = chronic fatigue syndrome, and for awhile, colitis, or IBS, connected to wheat gluten sensitivity, which was also brought on by the fluoride poisoning process. Also developed rickets of the bones, or osteomalacia. And no doubt osteo-penia and osteo-porosis. Sudden onset about 3 years ago. Probable cause of fluoride poisoning, possibly from a fluoride based rat poison, or insecticide; from a suspicious source.

We stumbled around in the wilderness of the germ theory of disease for about 6 months while the disease symptoms got worse and worse, and the rickets/osteo-malacia set in, as the fluoride caused the calcium to be ravaged from the bones, as the body attempted to save the poisoned one's life by sacrificing the bones calcium stores to keep the blood's pH within the narrow pH range of the living.

After failing to get any relief by playing the germ-theory game, I eventually stumbled upon the fluoride theory of arthritis, poly-arthritis, LYMES disease, CFS, FMS, osteo-malacia, rickets, osteo-porosis, IBS, alzheimers, etc., etc.

One of the chief sources of information on this was from a article by a JASON UTLEY. https://www.earthclinic.com/CAUSE_OF_FIBROMYALGIA.pdf ..... , or: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/fibromyalgia.html#cause ....... and then many other new sources I found on the internet, by search engine searches using "fluoride", fluoride poisoning" , "fluoride arthritis" etc.

As to how to detox from fluoride, I would get calcium and magnesium and sodium minerals, and others, into my blood to try to quench the fluoride atoms from acid-ifying the blood. Choose the ionic forms of these minerals, that dissove in water, and are capable of donating their electrons to the blood chemistry, for use in quenching and neutralizing the fluoride ions. Go to this page, and read Bangkok Ted's ideas on using borax, baking soda, and lemon juice to neutralize the fluoride ions in the blood : Earth Clinic remedies to Remove Fluoride Poisoning and Buildup.
www.earthclinic.com/cures/fluoride.html
......... Do a search on earthClinic.com for "fluoride" and one on "fibromyalgia" also. Read up on all these ideas.

This should get you started on learning what to do.

The things I am told that can help remove fluoride from the body are: iodine, borax, cilantro herb as food, blood alkalyzing minerals, sea salt minerals.

The best symptom relief method I have seen work is the taking of hot water soaks in a bathtub, for about 30 minutes per treatment. using 1 quart of EPSOM SALTS and 1 tablespoon of BORAX, in the soak water..... For relief of arthritis & fibromyalgia symptoms. At least temporarily.

After the fluoride ions are removed: To undo the damage caused by the fluoride poison on the bones & cartilidges & muscles might take months & years of nutritional type supplementation, or special diets; I think.

I hope this helps you some.

Above all, learn all the possible sources of this poison.

note: bromide is a close cousin to fluoride, and is capable of causing most or all of the same damages. So you could also be suffering from bromide toxicity symptoms also. It is in the food supply also.

Cekme;... Addendum to last post :

If you are having trouble believing that hidden toxins can cause degenerative diseases; note that the powers that be teach that the disease of polio is caused by a germ, a biotic, a virus. They teach it so you will believe it. The historical evidence is that it is caused by a toxin called DDT. Polio never existed before DDT existed. [ circa 1890's] When DDT was banned as a insecticide in the USA, new cases of polio began fading away there.

the powers that be claimed that some injected monkey pus [or something similar] caused it to go away. No giant corporations that sold DDT were ever held liable in the courts for giving anyone polio. No profits were lost. Brain-washing successful. Thank you, scientists;... Here is some money.... We will just call it "research" money. [wink, wink]

Fluoride is similar. The carnage it creates is similar. Go on some of the LYME disease message boards on the w.w.w. and read some of these people's stories. Some of them choose to commit suicide rather than go on.

Hi All,

You guys are so amazing with your time. The medication I was prescribe two years ago is called Zinat here in Australia, used for treating viral infections of the airways and sinusus. Let me know if you can find out any info.

The condition has spread to my eyes now which is so upsetting, my career is really in jeapordy and I've just received a promotion. I am going to hit Ted's set up hard (Borax, ACV with BiCarb Soda & Magnesium) and buy a electronic PH meter. I am now also having to go on Enbrel to get things under control in the short term.

You guys are so great with your time.

Thanks again.

About a year now since starting doing this procedure (especially taking coffee with chocolate in it, and hot peppers). So far it is almost as if there had never been any RA. Amazing. Will go back to doctors to see if it shows any results on the rheumatoid factor and citrulline tests.

Ray, do you buy the hot peppers raw & how many do you eat in a day? What kind of chocholate? I have some acid reflux but find the ACV/baking soda helpful. Would the hot peppers be a problem in your opinion?