Natural Remedies for Rheumatoid Arthritis: Effective Solutions

Calcium and Coconut Oil
Posted by Bill (Boston, Ma) on 05/20/2016
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Amazingly Coconut oil!

I have had pain all over for 7 months. Started with knees, feet, spread to hips arms and shoulders and really all over. My left arm at the elbow very painful. I just turned 60 in great health never smoked drank really took care of myself all my life eating very healthy with occasional indulgences.

I believe what I have it Rheumatoid Arthritis which really comes and goes but now has been with me constant for 2 months and painful.

2 weeks ago I started on Calcium 1 teaspoon a day and also 7 days ago I started on coconut oil extra virgin natural.

I eat 3-4 tablespoons a day 2 in morning 2 in evening. I heat up the oil (because it is paste) and then drink it but take water immediately after because of the taste is a little hard to swallow.

Well it's been 7 days and the coconut oil and my pain has reduced significantly, maybe 75%.

I don't really know what has caused the pain to reduce so much but it had to be one of those 2 things Coconut and/or the Calcium.

I take Calcium Carbonate (NOW) and Coconut oil (Natures way).

Something is working and I am very happy about it. I also have a good diet you must do both or one bad will cancel one good.

I also juice. Spinich, carrots, ginger and maybe an apple.

But I have to give the credit to Calcium and Coconut oil. I also took a bath in the oil this morning, felt good because what you put on your skin goes in your body.

I also oil pull. Using Coconut oil with water and a little Baking soda for 5-10 minutes cleaning my mouth esp before bed. The mouth can hide and breed many diseases.

That's my story.

Bill


Dietary Changes
Posted by Anne (Laguna Beach, CA) on 09/12/2015
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I tried acupuncture two times before my RA diagnosis. I will tell you the best thing that has helped my RA. It is eating a lot of raw vegetables and fruit and make sure to juice 2-3 times a day with fresh vegetable/fruit juice.

I still eat meat and fish, but I eliminated grains, dairy, nightshades, beans and nuts. My labs are much better and my anemia is almost gone. My hemoglobin had been an 8 while on the awful RA medicines. Now my hemoglobin is 11.4, it is almost normal. The RA medicines make me anemic. When I am taken off of them for awhile my anemia goes away.

Eat a vegetable salad for a week with some fish or chicken if in a flare and see if your inflammation comes down, it helped my pain levels come down.The juicing of vegetables and fruit is good because more nutrients get into the bloodstream. Eating 2 apples and 5 carrots would be ac hore, but juicing them insures a lot of vitamins and minerals to heal from RA.

I have healed some frozen joints doing this. I had joints that had no range of motion for over a year and then SLOWLY they became loose and started to move again, it is wonderful to see healing, when it felt like there was little hope.

ALCAT Blood Test
Posted by Mart (California) on 04/13/2015
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I tried turmeric, sour cherry juice, sardines and papaya for Rhuematoid Arthritis. Only to make me worse. I took a blood test called ALCAT which tested my blood against foods, oils, protein, nuts, dairy, wheat and additives. I found out all the above items caused inflammation response on my blood. I received the list of foods and only ate the ones on my list I had no sensitivity to. This helped me tremendously. You can ask your doctor or search the internet. It will not cure you but reduce the inflammation. I keep trying to reduce my stress and continue to nourish my body and try to heal it. I have lost my marriage, house and job. It has been a journey for me. I wish everyone health and good journey.


Dietary Changes
Posted by Glenn (Toronto) on 05/05/2014
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Rheumatoid Arthritis

ACV worked for me for about 3 years and gave out. Auto immune diseases are due to bad gut flora which are highly adaptable like superbugs. The answer lies in the diet and not the bandaid solutions listed here to mask pain. For starters cut out white rice and bread and don't take antibiotics, your poisoning is at your grocery and your doctors' offices as revealed by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride who has determined the causes of autism and most chronic diseases are in the gut. This should be front page news and instead I have not seen a complete regimen anywhere to get healthy and had to develop my own. Good luck.


Blackstrap Molasses
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee, Usa) on 09/24/2013

Dear Linda,

Because Blackstrap Molasses is a nutrient dense food and not a supplement, I think it would be compatible. Of course, some foods do not agree with some people, so it wouldn't be 100% certain, but a very safe option to try. I would start with 1 teaspoon, morning and evening. If that agrees, the next week, try 2 t. morning and evening. If this is a small person, that may be enough. Otherwise, you could go up to 1 T. the next week, morning and evening. If diarrhea is a problem, you should know that Blackstrap can have a laxative effect. Blackstrap does have potassium in it, and I suppose could affect the need for a potassium supplement.

I noticed here on Earth Clinic that Nettle Tea has been helpful to someone for RA. I mention this because it is another very safe thing to try. Nettles used to be a "spring tonic" for people. They would cook the fresh nettles in the spring and eat them for health. My daughter had symptoms of Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis a year and a half ago. She was also having trouble with asthma, as well, I was giving her nettles (because it cured my son of asthma) for her asthma, in addition to a number of things I was trying to help her arthritis. Perhaps the nettles also helped her arthritis. She has been symptom free of that for over a year. If you decide to try the nettle tea, try 1 cup per day at first and move up to 2-3 cups per day. It would be compatible with the Blackstrap.

Our family has found Blackstrap (and nettles! ) to be helpful for many things. I hope you find that to be the case as well!

Please let us know how it goes.

~Mama to Many~


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Karen (Usa) on 02/16/2016

Famous fitness guru Jack LaLane drank it daily and swore by it. He lived to be about 94 years old and caught pneumonia or would have still been lifting weights.


Borax
Posted by Deirdre (VA) on 10/30/2023

Hi KDMR,

When I was treating my trigger finger with borax, I did the protocol every day with NO days off for the first 4-5 months. I also upped the dosage from the women's dosage to the men's 1/4 teaspoon borax dosage after a week or two, feeling 1/8 teaspoon was not enough. I started to get faster improvements after that. So, in my personal opinion, yes, you can do this. After a number of months, perhaps 4-5 months, I cut back to doing the protocol once in a while with several weeks of breaks in between. It did take about 4 months of every day borax tonic to get optimal results. I needed surgery on my thumb at the point where I started the borax protocol after two rounds of cortisone shots wore off (each lasting a year to 8 months of relief).


Dietary Changes
Posted by Sharon (Tennessee) on 12/06/2018
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I have had RA for about 12 years and I've found that if I don't eat wheat or sugar, I have no pain at all. Also, everything I read about RA says to drink green tea, that it's so good for healing, but I find if I drink green tea, my feet start hurting within 10 minutes. Sugar seems to be the culprit in arthritis pain, at least for me....


L-Lysine
Posted by Chevieman (Maine) on 08/13/2015

Lysine puts RA into remission. All auto-immune disease is attached to a herpes virus. Make the herpes virus go dormant with the Lysine and the RA goes into remission. Arginine aggravates RA.

You need to take at least 8 grams a day in the morning on an empty stomach if you want results. It should put it into remission within 2 months or less.

Chicken Cartilage
Posted by Michael (Brisbane, Queensland, Australia) on 07/29/2015
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I have suffered with Rheumatoid Arthritis since 2004 (age 42 then) mainly being on Methotrexate and at times Prendisone. Eight years into the condition I had many flare-ups and took large doses of combination fish and krill oil five years into the condition which did help take the worst edge off the inflammation and at times reduce it quite significantly. Stress and too much consumption of animal fats would contribute to inflammation.

By 2012 I was experiencing nausea for three to four days after taking the weekly dose of Methotrexate, which was simply just more impact on my life. I read on this site (I think) about a Harvard University trial of French Organic Chicken Cartilage tablets. There was success according to the study with some patients going into a kind of remission.

I immediately ordered several bottles from the supplier in the US (but now available now Perth, Australia) and started taking it. Within about 6 weeks I noticed my symptoms reducing enabling me to trial going off the Methotrexate. Today in 2015 I am virtually symptom free with returned use of my limbs, hands and no swelling in my feet and knees! The active ingredient in the Chicken Cartlage tablets apparently is type 2 collagen. I ran out of the Chicken Cartilage tablets about 6 months ago and haven't gotten around to ordering any more. I am largely still symptom free!

I stopped going to the Rhuematologist about 6 years ago as I didn't feel they were listening with regards to the moderate success of the fish oil...no point in spending $$ on someone who didn't appear to want to listen to how and what I was doing about the condition.

I would strongly recommend any sufferer of RA to give this a go! I have had my life returned to me!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Alain (Ottawa, Canada) on 09/18/2008

Hi Joseph, Don't get discouraged. There's hope. Unfiltered, raw Apple Cider Vinegar may work because, among other things, it has potassium. In http://www.vaxa.com/arthritis-potassium.cfm it says:

"Arthritis, Recent Theories and The Affects of Imbalanced pH
Individuals with rheumatoid arthritis have lower cellular potassium content than normal and high plasma copper content. Reports have shown low potassium being the only consistent difference in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Although there has not been a clinical study proving this theory, rheumatoid arthritis should not be present in people who eat vegetables instead of grains. The reason why potassium is often overlooked is probably because potassium is present in almost all foods grown in large quantities.

As most have come to realize, what you eat strongly affects your body. When food is digested, it leaves certain residues that yield either alkaline or acidic potentials of pH. Our body is at a constant struggle to keep our pH balanced. If balance is not achieved through diet then the body will take over by leaching away key minerals such as, calcium, potassium, and sodium from the bones, teeth, and important organs. An imbalanced pH can lead to serious health problems such as weight gain, poor athletic performance, low energy levels, Osteoarthritis, Osteoporosis, and premature aging if continuously too acidic or alkaline..."

Here are a few more sites about pH and arthritis:
http://www.ph-health.com/phbalancearthritis1015.html
http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/seniors/arthritis.html

For a lot more sites, please do
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ph+arthritis&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

I believe in the pH balance. The concept is similar to that of the body requiring constant internal temperature; the blood must be at an almost constant pH level in order for chemical, bio-chemical, and hormonal reactions to proceed appropriately. The body will do everything to achieve this at the cost of making acidic the lymphatic system and other organs, if the nutrition does not provide for the necessary good nutrition. Like, for example, drinking a lot of soft drinks is terribly acidic. So, proper body's pH balance is a prerequisite for good health.

A we become more acidic, internal organs, body tissues, bones ... will deteriorate. To learn more about the pH balance concept you can go to the following links:

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/pH_questions.html
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/pH.html
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/pH_questions.html
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/pH.html#TED
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/cancerselftreatment.htm#alkalinity
http://www.preventdisease.com/fitness/nutrition/articles/acid_alkaline.html
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Murphy8.html

These are just a few of what can be found in the web.

About measuring and monitoring own pH:
http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com/2006/10/understanding-and-testing-ph-of-urine.html
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=843435#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1009925#i
http://biomedx.com/pH/page3.html
http://www.genuinehealth.com/english/pdfs/pH.pdf

To verify if indeed you are acidic I would strongly suggest you to buy pH paper strips. It's cheap and I assure you it will be a good investment.

I had inflammatory problems with my knees and ankle. The best thing I found so far is an alkalizing drink that combines synergetically blackstrap molasses, unfiltered raw apple cider vinegar, pinch of epson salt, kelp powder and pickling lime water. Not only this drink is alkalazing, but, over time, will help in replenishing minerals that were depleted over the years because of acidosis. The full instruction of this drink can be found at http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1009886#i1 in a forum about pH balance.

More details about the alkalizing drink that synergetically combines minerals (blackstrap molasses, Epson Salt, pickling lime water and kelp powder,) with weak acids (such as Apple Cider Vinegar or Lemon Juice) http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1009886#i1

I hope these can help you. It is a learning journey about how nutrition affects your healths.

I wish you good luck.


Oil Pulling
Posted by Trina (Saint Helens, Oregon, USA) on 04/14/2008
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Oil Pulling cured my Rheumatoid Arthritis in a matter of 3 days. Been using Safflower Oil. It helped so much. I sleep like a baby and pain free!! No more limping, dropping cups, hurting to drive, bend - I can open lids - pain free!! I had Rheumatoid Arthritis for over a year. I dont have joint stiffness anymore - but i can feel the joint damage (tightness when moving) In truth i am affraid to stop oil pulling - i dont want it to come back - because i have not stopped my health keeps improving i had gum disease (Periodontitis ), 8 year Chocoholic addiction,Dry Skin and Hair, A Sinus infection and Suffering with RA -gone! My skin is soft as a baby's head to toe- A huge scar i got from last winter i branded my self by backing into a propane heater - it looks like a cat scrach. Anyways its been a month and my health keeps improving. I OP for 2 to 3 times a day. Oh yah my mens. has improved too. Rarely irritable, minor back pain, no chocolate cravings, lil bit of a sweet tooth, lil to no cramps- such a big improvement - THANKU Earth Clinic!!!!!!!!

Apple Cider Vinegar, Dietary Changes
Posted by Dona (San Kose, Ca) on 09/20/2017
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I have RA, and I tried everything. Out of all what I've tried these what have helped me: Low Dose Naltrexone (this drug has hardly any side effects, and a cheap drug. It helps the body to heal itself). I started taking Raw organic apple cider vinegar with honey & water a few days ago. I can see the swelling & pain on my fingers & wrists improved a lot. I believe it has to do with ACV. If it is that, taking ACV would be the biggest thing that helped me so far; I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

The other things have helped me were not eating gluten, following sort of ketogenic diet (eating very less carbs), and getting 8 hour sleep, taking early dinner, and doing regular mild to moderate exercise. Hope this would help for all out there looking for help. All the best for a quick remission!


Rheumatoid Arthritis and UTI Connection
Posted by Anne (Laguna Niguel) on 10/01/2018

I have had about 8 UTIs since my RA diagnosis. What is interesting is I used the Sea Salt remedy from EC for my UTI and my arthritis felt so much better the next morning. My RA has deformed some of my joints so it's pretty bad. I also can not eat sweets, dairy, grains, corn, nightshades or beef. The one teaspoon of sea salt in a glass of water with a squeeze of lemon seemed to help both UTI and RA. I did eat 70% raw yesterday which always helps me. Eat your Greens!!!


Dietary Changes, Apple Cider Vinegar, Herbs
Posted by Windy (Morison, Tn) on 05/17/2010
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To Phoenix,

Thank you for the interest. Let me say there is a place for everything at certain times, even a steak, if you have not been able to accomplish the protein intake required due to being unable to eat! There is a difference between a Cure and Managing your Arthritis. If you want to manage, you change your diet drastically. If you want to Cure the disease you must kill the bacteria or flush it out! It is the only way. A cure will be hard core and Great discipline will be needed. Most of us have to work up to this. We have to convince ourselves it works and it is worth it. Supplements contain so many buffers that prevent absorption, so if you need to take supplements for a while try to get pharmaceutical grade. I have a problem with my Thyroid which means I lose my appetite sometimes if my discipline falls away. We have to protect the body at all cost. Just because you do not have pain does not mean you have stopped the damage! The body's environment must be changed so that certain bacteria can not live there. This is the Cure. And it is easier said than done! Our own Enzymes can help us do this. Our problem is our bodies do not produce enough of these enzymes to do the trick, so we replace them with Raw Foods that give us this ability. Grain sprouts ground in a blender with some Tofu and Pear does this beautifully. Once a day, every day! This starts your body off right. You have the enzymes and the proper PH and the pear helps to adsorb everything. I am far from being Cured, however the way I look at life and Feel about life has helped my body cope. This change came from better nutrition, not from being pain free! When I need to I drink carrot juice or what ever. The dark green veggies are too acidic (they run Hot)and if your body gets to a point of being very sensitive you will be able to feel this. I have been so bad that I went to 98 lbs. due to not being able to eat. I am 5'8 and weigh 130-135 lbs. Coming back from that you Feel everything that goes into your body and what it does. I have tested the greens on occasion and I am convinced and do not have to prove it to my self anymore! I adore polebeans, but.... The whole world could use a good cleansing with celery and cucumber! The body must be cleansed and fed and in that order. Give your self the vitamins from food first then the minerals. Minerals at nite will help you sleep better. Starch at nite will do the same thing. Eat for digestion and absorption. A purist will kill themselves in the process. We live in a dirty world so the body must be able to fight and fight hard so we must put the things in our body that will allow our body to fight and to relax. Please make No mistake about it, this Disease can Kill you and it is not to be taken lightly as I did for so many years. It is what they do not tell you that you must come to understand. I did not believe them when they told me my RA would get worse and I would end up crippled. I try now to prove them wrong, that I can undo what has been done and only time will tell. Four years ago my hands started sweeping to the outside. Two years ago the last three fingers on both hands curled shut. Two years ago I had a good diet and today I have a better one, which includes raw foods and raw juices which has allowed the curled fingers to open 2 inches from my hand instead of being closed completely. My second finger on my right hand is more open than the rest so I must be doing something right and I am still pain free. I have Severe RA because of what I did not believe! I did construction, maintenance,and house cleaning for a living. I use to pick up a 4x8 sheet of plywood without problem and pick up a 5 gal. buckets of paint in each hand and run up ladders with them! I worked 10-16 hours a day and loved it. Now I have very little disk in my vertebra, I have no cushion in my wrist, fingers, elbows, knees, hips or ankles. They say I should not be upright, but I am. So if you have use of your limbs, be Grateful and do not do as I did in the past. Do better than I and be well and healthy. My heart goes out to all who suffer in any way. And I tell All of you, It does not have to be that way. Be strong and be Faithful to yourself. Find something to live for and push for, and find support when and if needed. I take 150mg of Indocin a day and my body is addicted to it. I have been on medication for 13 years due to slowing down from a herniated disk which took a year to heal because I refused to be put down. I have tried all the medications out there and now the Dr.s allow me to choose my medication. I know my body better than they do. Today I can get away with missing 3 days of meds before the the pain starts. Yesteryear I had to take my meds before I got out of bed to be able to get out of bed. For my severity I have made Great progress. I have worked with people recently diagnosed and had them pain free in a few short months including two vegans with RA! Their parents ate meat and so it contaminates the gene pool. Everything you put in your body affect your genes, cells, skin, attitude, etc.. I have very little swelling today and my goal is no swelling at all. Discipline is the hardest thing to Master, especially as we get older. Quality of life becomes an issue.

Your tongue against the roof of the mouth will work well for you because you have apparently made an agreement with your body that this is one way to tell you if the food is well for you. That is great. I stand as a medical Intuitive today. If I desire to know about my food all I have to do is ask internally and I get my answer. But not everyone can do this, although everyone Is capable of it. I use to help people obtain their own Intuitive Nature. I live a very modest life today on 30 acre's with a beautiful river running thru my property. It has helped me a great deal. I no longer party all the time. I quit drinking years back. This Disease has changed me a great deal. I am more even keel, not rushed, refuse to play the games of the world and speak my mind when needed! I find it very freeing! Stuffed Emotions will make you hurt and can and will Kill you. Take care of Mind, Body , and Soul! I want to Live...I want to Live the way I want to and this disease has taught me how to do just that. It is just too bad that I had to suffer so to understand and have my Will broken to that point. Iron makes Great Gold, so they say!!! And today I am not so Rusty inside!

I can only offer one more thing, BE THE LOVE THAT YOU ARE AND BE STRONG ABOUT IT. LET NO ONE, OR NO THING TAKE IT FROM YOU. Work with the flow of all things and you Will succeed.

With love from TN
Windy
p.s. I will check out Brian Clements today sometime. Thank you for the info.


Acupuncture
Posted by Corrie (Anchorage, Alaska) on 08/09/2008
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re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Remedies: I just had one session of acupuncture with a sefu who lives in the area. It was AMAZING. I feel better than I have in months and he was telling me about problems I have had for years, but hadn't even mentioned to him. I am highly against medication, and I was willing to try pretty much any alternative. I think if I have one or two more sessions with him, I will be completely pain free.

Copper
Posted by Ani (Ontario, Canada) on 04/02/2008
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Wearing a copper bracelet can significantly help with arthritis, back pain, aches and joint pains. My parents swear by it. In fact my dad makes jewelry and after he discovered that copper helped him with his bad back pain he started making copper bracelets for sale. He has been selling them for over 15 years and the personal testimonials he's heard are remarkable. The amount that it helps is individual of course and varies but most people feel at least SOME improvement while others say they experience DRAMATIC improvement. In any case it's cheap to try and can't do any harm. I'm surprised copper wasn't posted before and curious to read other people's experiences with this.

ACV and Baking Soda, MSM, Mag Citrate
Posted by Marilyn H. (Lakewood, Ca) on 05/01/2018

Could be the fungus that grows on the grains could be causing the arthritis?


Dietary Changes
Posted by Marra (olympia, wa) on 03/15/2007
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Two 1/2 years ago, i was diagnosed with two forms of arthritis, osteo-which is throughout my entire spinal column and every joint throughout my body--I also have RA. I am 43 years old. I've successfully held much of the pain at bay with diet & exercise. I am trying ACV for the first time--wish me the best! I will let you know how its going. Thank you for your feedback everyone!


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Susan (Tampa, FL) on 01/03/2007
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2 tsp honey, 2 tsp apple cider vinegar in 8 to 16 ounces of water 3 times a day cured my arthritis, back pain and allergies. I was in so much pain for many many years with severe back problems, and then 2 years ago was diagnosed with rheumatoid and osteoarthritis. The dr. prescribed steroids, and 2 different immuno suppresant drugs and the side effects were horrible. I could hardly get out of bed in the morning, my joints and muscles hurt so bad, i also have fibromyalgia. I started this regimen about a month ago and saw immediate results. My hay fever has cleared up also. My sinuses are dry, usually I always have a bad post nasal drip problem. I feel more energized, and my body just feels good, like it is getting what it needs.


Dietary Changes
Posted by Nadine (NY) on 09/01/2006
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I have rheumatoid arthritis and I had it really bad and could barely walk. Was on arthristis medication and pain killers and i was still hurting etc . Called the doctor's office and they told me there was nothing more they could do for me. Well, i got angry and decided i would help myself.

The first thing i did was get rid of all salt sugar preservatives and bleached flour. Within 3 months, i was no longer taking pain killers and my medicine was less.

I continue the diet although i do eat some sugar lol but I don't eat preservatives.

I eat whole grains, beans, lentils, split peas, etc, and fruit and vegetable and a little meat. I stay away from bacon and cold cuts because of the preservatives. I do not have much joint pain now if ever i'm off most arthritis medicine and i no longer take pain killers at all.

Ya see, arthritis swells the joints and salt and preservatives swell the joints, so if you take them with the rheumatoid arthristis your kicking yourself in the butt and giving yourself added pain. The extra swelling causes irritation and sets the inflamation into motion, so it is very important not to eat any preservatives and little salt. Don't eliminate all salt completely. I don't use salt when i cook or eat, but if i have a craving for salt, i indulge it because i need the salt. If you want to use salt use kelp or sea salt. When you look at labels you will be amazed at the amount of salt in products. I do not eat store bread.


Gluten-Free Diet
Posted by Happy & Painfree (Canada) on 01/19/2016
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I had rheumatoid arthritis quite badly. Tremendous amount of pain, however my joints were not yet deformed. I was told by someone to stop eating all forms of wheat due to the amount of gluten contained in it. There are other grains as well, not sure what they are. Well, it was one of the most frustrating and also rewarding things I have had to do. I was told to stop totally, for at least three weeks. At the end of about two weeks, I realized I was no longer in pain!!!

I had suffered severe heartburn for 20+ years. A doctor told me to use antacids for the heartburn. I believe this is actually what caused the arthritis as it forced my body to digest and used something it did not recognized as food (GMO). When I stopped using the antacids. Now, I will get heartburn from eating anything with gluten in it, then throw-up, usually within a short time. When I do accidentally ingest gluten, (a small amount) the first place I notice it, is my big toe joint on my right foot. It gets swollen and red, but the damage is not permanent. There are some very good gluten free products out there now, for which I am very thankful!

You can also find a list of common allergens, sometimes it can be milk, mushrooms, etc. I think the elimination process works for most of this type of thing! Happy and painfree!


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