Top Natural Treatments for Heart Disease (Cardiovascular Disease)

Linus Pauling Therapy

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Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines) on 05/15/2010

On a daily basis I take the Linus Pauling Therapy for heart disease. This therapy is very simple, and this is what I take on a daily basis as a preventative:

2-4 gms Lysine

2-4 gms Vitamin C (Ascorbate form)

Here is the daily Pauling protocol for those actually suffering from heart disease/arteriosclerosis:

6 gms Lysine

6 gms Vitamin C (Ascorbate form)

All these total dosages from above are best split into 2, 3 or 6 doses a day for best effect(the more the merrier!!) since the body clears excess Vitamin C and Lysine fairly quickly from the blood throughout the day.

This is an audio link where Pauling personally describes his own protocol:

Pauling Therapy Protocol

This audio link gives reasons and testimonials by Pauling:
Reasons and Testimonials

This therapy also seems to cure varicose veins as well. See this link.

Replied by Sandy
(Lancs, Uk)
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I have cleared calcified arteries using Linus Pauling's Vitamin C protocol.


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Posted by Prioris (ME) on 01/31/2021
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I previously cured PAD with high dose nattokinase / serrapeptase.

Lumbrokinase is 30X stronger than nattokinase.

I used doctors best brand of lumbrokinase.

I removed blood clots in my swelling kidney. I used 2 capsules 3Xday for 3 days when swelling subsided. I gradually decreased dosage.

I removed blood clot in my swelling feet/legs. I used 2 capsules 3Xday for 3 days when swelling subsided. I gradually decreased dosage.

This was 3+ years ago.

Multiple Remedies

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Posted by Suzieq (Washington, Dc) on 04/28/2011
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Following her acupuncturist's suggestion, my mother-in-law has had amazing results following the metabolic cardiology supplement regimen Dr. Stephen Sinatra recommends in his books "The Sinatra Solution" and "Reverse Heart Disease Now."

The basic 4 elements are CoQ-10, Magnesium, D-Ribose and L-Carnitine. After much research I added K2 (completely different from K1--read the Rotterdam study--K2 REVERSES calcification) to the regimen. Result was that 4 months after being diagnosed with inoperable clogged artery (due to location) and severe heart valve calcification (warfarin promotes calcification--they do not tell you this! ), Drs. at the Mayo Clinic said there was minimal valve calcification and no coronary artery disease! Please be aware that the anti-cholesterol meds suck the CoQ-10 out of you.

We are now adding daily fresh organic veggie juice to all our diets as well! Her energy continues to improve, and the Dr. Continues to lower her warfarin prescription!

Earth Clinic has been a godsend to us, so I wanted to share and return the favor!

Nattokinase and Serrapeptase Enzymes

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Posted by Prioris (Fort Pierce, Fl, Usa) on 06/03/2013
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Ailment: Heart Disease
Remedy: Nattokinase and Serrapeptase

I have post under ailment Peripheral Artery Disease. Please refer to it for more detail. China has done thousands of studies for fibrolytic enzymes that have proven that fibrolytic enzymes protect people against heart attacks and strokes.

Replied by Prioris
(Fl, Usa)

CAVEAT regarding Vitamin K2 (ML7).

I ran into someone who had PAD. They told me that they had taken K2 for over 200 days. I told him that I thought K2 contributed to his Peripheral Artery Disease.

When it comes to heart disease, the focus should be on blood flow and cleaning out the plaque. This need to be treated before calcium in arteries. Calcium in arteries is a secondary concern when dealing with heart disease and should be put off until enough plaque in the arteries is removed.

K2 and fibrinolytic enzymes (FE) nattokinase etc can clash since K2 is a blood coagulant and FE a blood anticoagulant. FE's will remain in blood stream for 3 to 8 hour maximum so they have inherent limitation. K2 (ML7) builds up to 100% in 4 days so I think unhealthy situation can develop where one could get too much. As an asidem the less desirable form ML4 remains in blood for 5 hours.

I would be very careful about using K2 (ML7) blindly. Clean your arteries of plaque first then just do short term cleansing with K2 every 6-12 months or spread out the dosing or do it gently ... you have to experiment with it. what is good for one person may be unhealthy for another.

K2 (ML7) is a boon for health but it should be used wisely.

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Vitamin k2 peripheral artery diseaseIn 2016, there was a scientific study published in Atherosclerosis that found a link between a high intake of Vitamin K2 and a reduced risk of Peripheral Artery Disease (PAD). Researchers surveyed over 36,000 participants about how frequently they ate certain foods high in Vitamin K1 and K2.

I agree that cleaning plaque with nattokinase (i'd use lumbrokinase now) should take priority because it can be done within a month or so and pull them away from the edge of a heart attack. They can do the D3, K2 and Cod Liver afterward if they want. They will need patience for that process.

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What would be your best guess on how to take any of the kinases (Natto, Lumbro, etc.)? Would it be based upon body weight or how often or the amount taken per dose? I would like to try cleaning my arteries but I also know that Nattokinase and the others are blood thinners and too much can be a problem. Any feedback is appreciated.

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Is there any scientific evidence you can point me to which shows that Lumbrokinase cleans plaque out of the arteries please?

My mum had a heart attack recently and is on the highest dose statin, she also takes blood thinners, anti-coagulants, blood-pressure lowering medication etc etc, doctors would never advise her to take Lumbrokinase, nor would they even know about it.

I just can't put my faith into Lumbrokinase unless there is scientific evidence to support it.

Could you please advise on this, for example, do people taking Lumbrokinase continue with most of their other medication they are on once they have had a heart attack? I understand already that it is dangerous to come off anti-clotting medication if taking fibrinolytic enzymes as well. But given anti-coagulants are an extremely important medication, I feel like I'd be putting my mums life at risk by replacing those with Lumbrokinase. It's just so hard to know what to do. Ideally I'd like her to reverse and remove the plaque in her arteries, not just harden it up with medication and squash it with stents, but unfortunately I can't find anything conclusive on that. If that was possible to just dissolve the plaque in arteries with Lumbrokinase, how could that be kept under the radar? I understand the industry is corrupt and pharmaceuticals do in fact lie to us, but I would think something as profound as Lumbrokinase is like trying to hide the cure to cancer which I just don't think is practically possible. Am I misunderstanding the benefits of Lumbrokinase too, my understanding is that is cleans the plaque out of your arteries so that it is simply not there any more, the fur has gone, is this wrong, and if so to what extent?

Nattokinase, Serrapeptase

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Posted by Bonbon (Pierson, Florida) on 11/07/2015 30 posts
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I have just learned about the garlic, lemon, ginger cure.

I have been taking nattokinase and serrapeptase for close to a year now to help clean the arteries. I have noticed a difference in my circulation. My feet don't swell like they use to. I don't get chest cramps very often. And I can catch my breath without feeling concerned. I would never get out of breath, just a feeling of not being able to expand my diaphragm at will sometimes.

However, I still have anxiety issues and ringing ears. I also feel tightness in my head as if I have a tight ponytail with no headache. I am terrified of the medical system and try to use natural remedies to self heal. I am 53 and grew up on hamburgers and Doritos. I feel like I need a more aggressive treatment. I don't know if I should stop taking the enzymes if I start the garlic cure. I also don't know if I should do this cure or instead do the Tibetan garlic cure. Any thoughts on this?

Nitric Oxide Boosters

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Posted by Peter (California) on 02/08/2020
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned nitric oxide boosters for cardiovascular disease. I have researched alternative medicines for many years and there are a couple of nitric oxide booster products that treat coronary heart disease. The main ingredients include the amino acids Arginine and Citruline and high levels of vitamin D. This product was tested on 30 heart disease patients. All patients ran out of any other options and 60% were on a heart transplant list. ALL got better and went home. You can find videos of the project on the internet. Both patients and those who performed the study were interviewed. The product is now in the physicians reference and a hospital uses the product as a first line of defense.

These boosters are based on a nobel prize linking nitric oxide to cardiovascular health. Viagra uses this same principle and so does nitro glycerine which is used by patients with angina. In fact, erectile disfunction is usually just an early sign of heart disease. If you have heart disease anywhere, you have it everywhere.

I was introduced to it by a friend about 10 years ago and have used it ever since. I am now 69 years old. My dad died from a heart attack at age 59. I used to get a lot of arrythmia's (PAC's, PVC's and some atrial fibrillation) I have had none since I started using these products. I know that this works for me because I was having problems with ED but since using this I have absolutely no problem. The product is great for diabetics and claims to get rid of neuropathy. I have a friend who comfirms this.

It is important to get a decent product. There are now a lot of people trying to sell nitric oxide boosters but I think most are not very good. If the product only has arginine in it, it will not work because citruline is needed to extend the process throughout the day.
Note that arginine can casue some diahrea in the beginning.

Replied by G

What is the product?

Replied by Rebecca
(United States)
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Peter, do you mind giving us the product name? Please and thank you kindly. Becky

(United States)
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He hasn't given a name but at Health/Supplement stores like GNC or Vitamin shop I've seen products on the shelves that were Nitric Oxide booster etc. The main ingredient was "L-Arginine" you can even get this at Wholefoods / Walmart etc.. Make sure to read the side effects/reviews.

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Supplementing with L-Arginine will boost Ntric Oxide, but it will also disrupt the arginine/lysine ratio which is not good! I know this from when I used arginine plus NAC for blood pressure control. It worked very well for the purpose, but I started getting colds one after another. I had never gotten so many colds one after the other and that is when I realized I was upsetting this balance by bringing too much arginine into my system and as soon as I added lysine into my regimen, the colds stopped!

Of importance is that colds are often times a Coronavirus as is Covid-19. Another problem that can develop is that pushing the arginine / lysine ratio toward arginine can also cause herpes flair ups and are likely to make it easier for certain viruses to take hold. Lysine works against this issue of too much arginine. Art


How much l-lysine did you take to correct the imbalance?

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I was taking 1000 mg to 2000 mg of L Lysine to help maintain the Lysine/Arginine ratio.

Here is a link to the original study that used Arginine and NAC :

Although that supplement trio worked for me, I am no longer using that method to normalize my blood pressure because I didn't want to have to take 3 supplements just for blood pressure and I didn't want to have to worry about keeping my Lysine/Arginine ratio in balance.



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Posted by Gavin (Manganui, Northland, New Zealand) on 05/15/2013
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And don't forget the trials on Pomegranate juice are very interesting, it actually reverses atherosclerosis, and unblocks blocked up arteries. The science on this one is very good.

Replied by Tom
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Tried pomegranate seed chutney. A few days later I noticed good "lift off"!! . Certainly clears the arteries, that's for sure!


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Posted by P. Raghavan (Virudhunagar, TN, India) on 11/03/2020
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Cardiovascular Disease is caused by a built-up of fatty calcium deposits on the walls of the arteries around the heart (Coronary arteries). There is a video available in the net titled “Vitamin K2: What is it? Can it remove your plaque? “. This video is by Dr. Brewer. According to this video, Vitamin K2 guides calcium in the blood to its final destination: bone and teeth. When there is a deficiency of Vitamin K2 in the body, calcium will deposit in the wrong areas like coronary arteries, lung, kidney, etc. Chemical name for Vitamin K2 is Menaquinones. There is an article available in the net titled “Production of Menaquinones by Lactic Acid Bacteria”. According to this article, probiotic bacterial strain Lactococcus Lactis synthesizes Vitamon K2. This is done in the digestive system from the food we consume. If the count of this probiotic bacteria is very low, the production of Vitamin K2 in the digestive system will be low also. Vitamin K2 deficiency is the main cause of cardiovascular disease.

Regarding cholesterol, there is an article titled “Effects of milk products fermented by B. Longum on blood lipids in rats and healthy adult male volunteers”. According to this article, 32 male volunteers with serum cholesterol from 220 to 280 participated in a study for four week. There was a considerable reduction of total cholesterol, triglycerides and bad cholesterol for the male volunteers who took B. Longum for four week. There is another article titled “Effect of Probiotic Lactobacillus on Lipid Profile”. According to this, there was a significant reduction of bad cholesterol for the people who took L. Plantarum and L. Reuteri. According to another article titled “Effects of Probiotics on Blood Lipid Concentration”, L. Plantarum reduces both triglycerides and bad chlolestrol; L. Achidophilus and B. Lactis reduced bad cholesterol. The following probiotic strains play a role in cardiovascular disease in the order of importance:

1) Lactococcus Lactis 2) B. Longum 3) L. Plantarum 4) L. Reuteri 5) L. Achidophilus and 6) B. Lactis.

Out of this six probiotic strains, Lactococcus Lactis is very important since it is involved in the production of Vitamin K2 which is needed for the calcium metabolism. Since I have cardiovascular disease, I searched in the net for more than one hour to find multi strain probiotics containing Lactococcus Lactis.

I found the following probiotics in alphatical order:

1) CaptainBiotic Probiotic. 2) Digestive Bliss Probiotic. 3) INNATE Vitality Women's probiotic. 4) InnovixLabs Multi Strain Probiotic. 5) NewRhythm Probiotic. 6) Wholesome RAW Probiotic 100 Billion CFU. 7) Terranics Probiotic.

One can do search in the net for any additional probiotics. It is time consuming. Then select a particular probiotic you like most. While selecting probiotics, make sure it contains most of the remaining five probiotic strains. Take one tablet or capsule per day. One can expect good results in about 8 weeks. I am taking one of these probiotics. My calcium blockage is decreasing and I feel great. Only regret I have is that I did not know this treatment earlier. But people who are taking any immune suppressant drug cannot take any probiotics since probiotics will increase immunity level of the body. In my opinion, this is a simple and effective treatment for cardiovascular disease.

I hope the information provided here will be useful.

Best wishes.

P. Raghavan.

Replied by Gary
(Ontario, Canada)

I really enjoyed reading your findings. Most helpful understanding how and the effects of our bodies from the lack of knowledge.

Thanks so much.


Posted by P. Raghavan. (Virudhunagar, TN, India.) on 12/05/2019
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Metabolism is a term that is used to describe all chemical reactions in maintaining the living state of the cells and the organism. Metabolism can be divided into two broad categories as follows:

1) The breakdown of molecules to obtain energy.
2) The synthesis of all compounds needed by the cells (e.g., vitamins, enzymes, etc.)

According to an article from Mayo Clinic titled “Metabolic syndrome – Symptoms and Causes – Mayo Clinic”, metabolic syndrome is cluster of conditions that occur together, increasing your risk of heart diseases, stroke and type2 diabetes. These conditions include increased blood pressure, high blood sugar, excess body fat around the waist, and abnormal cholesterol or triglyceride level”. There are at least three diseases associated with metabolic disorders. They are as follows: cardiovascular disease, stroke due to calcium blockage and type2 diabetes. In USA alone, 48.5 % of people suffer from cardiovascular disease and 9.4 % of people suffer from type 2 diabetes. Stroke kills someone in the US about once every four minutes. A metabolic disorder can happen when abnormal chemical reactions in the body alter the normal metabolic process. The gut microbiota which is a population of microorganisms in the human digestive system has an important part in metabolism. One can prevent, control or reverse metabolic syndrome if proper corrective actions are taken.

There is a video available in the net titled “Vitamin K2 – What is it? – Does it remove plaque “by Dr. Brewer. This video explains how calcium metabolism problem is the cause of cardiovascular disease since vitamin k2 control calcium metabolism; calcium in our food should reach its final destination bone and teeth. Vitamin K2 deficiency causes calcium to be deposited in the wrong areas such as arteries, lungs, knees, etc. Chemical name for vitamin K2 is menaquinones. There is an article available in the net titled “Production of Menaquinones by Lactic Acid Bacteria”. According to this article, Vitamin K2 is synthesized by probiotic strain ‘ Lactococcus Lactis' from the food we consume . Probiotic strain L. Reuteri synthesizes Vitamins B12 and B9 and increases Vitamin D3 level. Vitamin D3 plays an important role in metabolism. To cure cardiovascular disease, one can consume multi-strain probiotic capsule / tablet containing probiotic strains L. Lactis and L. Reuteri.

One can do search in the net for brands that satisfy the requirement. One can select the brand based on your criteria. This special probiotic tablet / capsule can be taken half an hour before breakfast ( or as directed by the manufacturer) for 60 to 90 days to see good progress. I have cardiovascular disease for about 40 years. But no one told me that it is a metabolic disease. I was prescribed a lot of chemicals to treat this problem. But I made only a small progress. After watching the video by Dr. Brewer mentioned earlier, I realised that I have metabolic disorder. I started taking special probiotic tablet (one per day) containing L. Lactis and L. Reuteri. One can also take 1 to 2 cups of broccoli sprouts per day. Broccoli sprouts can convert damaged cells in the body ( e.g., damaged cells in the arteries and heart muscles) to normal cells. Now, my calcium blockage is reducing; I am making good progress and feel great.

There are two main causes of stroke: a blocked artery (ischemic stroke) or leaking or bursting of a blood vessel (hemorrhagic stroke). But 87 % of stroke are due to a blocked artery. If the blocked artery is due to calcium deposit, probiotic treatment for cardiovascular disease can be used to clear the blockage.

The human body is home of trillions of bacteria, viruses, fungi and other tiny organisms. They are called microbes. An average healthy adult has about 15 % bad microbes and 85 % good (probiotic) microbes in the digestive system. This can be determined by stool testing. When the gut flora contains too many harmful (bad) microbes and not enough good microbes, an imbalance can occur. This is known as probiotic imbalance or dysbiosis.
There is a video available in the net titled “Type 2 Diabetes may be caused by gut bacteria” from diabetes research centre at The Netherland. According to researchers at that centre, all Type 2 Diabetes have probiotic imbalance in their digestive system. Probiotic imbalance problem can be corrected by Increase the count of probiotic microbes directly by consuming probiotics.

Once the probiotic imbalance problem is corrected, fasting blood sugar level will come to normal level since fasting blood sugar is mostly due to bad microbes in the digestive system. It will take about 2 to 3 months to see improvements.

If a person has more than one medical problem (e.g., cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes), the above treatment will solve both the problems.

Best wishes.
P. Raghavan.

Posted by P. Raghavan (Virudhunagar, Tn, India) on 02/20/2016
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I read many research papers on the use of probiotics for the treatment of Cardiovascular Disease. From these papers, one can come to a conclusion that the following five probiotics in our digestive system mostly determine the bad cholesterol (LDL) level, triglycerides (TG) level and good cholesterol (HDL) level in our blood. They are:

1) Tier I (critical) - B. Longum

2) Tier II ( useful) - L. Plantarum, L. Reuteri, L. Achidophilus and L. Fermentum.

If these five probiotics are in the correct normal levels in our digestive system, we will not get cardiovascular disease. In this, B. longum plays a critical and important role. If some of these five probiotics are well below normal levels, one may get cardiovascular disease and the bad cholesterol, triglycerides, and / or good cholesterol may go to abnormal levels. Also, plaque will start depositing in the arteries.

Milk Kefir contains all these five probiotics. For treating cardiovascular disease, one can take one half cup of home made milk Kefir in the morning on empty stomach for 3 months. To get better results, one can also take B. Longum rich foods or tonic in the evening as follows:

1) 15 cc of Ayurvedic fermented tonic - Hridhayasanthi. or

2) one fourth cup of fermented cabbage.

After this probiotic treatment, bad cholesterol, triglycerides, and good cholesterol will come to correct required levels and plaque in the arteries will start dissolving.

After three months period, one can continue this treatment 2 or 3 days per week until the plaque in the arteries is sufficiently dissolved. This treatment is working very well for me. Others can try this treatment and report the results.

Best wishes, P. Raghavan.

Probiotics + Flax Seeds

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Posted by P. Raghavan. (Virudhunagar, TN, India.) on 05/01/2020
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A metabolic disorder occurs when the metabolism fails and causes the body to have either too much or too little of the essential substances needed to stay healthy. Metabolic disorder can be determined from stool testing by identifying list of probiotic strains below normal level and list of bad strains that are above normal levels in the stool.

According to Mayo clinic and Cleveland clinic, metabolic syndrome is defined as a collection of risk factors that increase the chance of developing:

1) Cardiovascular disease,
2) Stroke due to blockage and
3) Diabetes.

There are three important articles available in the net regarding metabolic syndrome:

1) Metabolic Syndrome – Cleveland Clinic.
2) Metabolic syndrome – Symptoms and Causes – Mayo Clinic.
3) About Metabolic Syndrome | American Heart Association.

Any disease associated with metabolic disorder can be cured only by following one or more of the following:

1) Consume probiotics with the required probiotic strains to fix the underlying metabolic disorders in the digestive system.
2) Consume fibre-rich foods (e.g., ground flax seed, cinnamon powder, etc.) so that it will help in the multiplication of probiotic microorganisms (microbes) since fibres are food for good microbes.
3) Reduce the consumption of sugar since sugar is the food for bad microbes in the digestive system.

I had a heart bypass surgery in the year 1980. About 10 years back, I started taking probiotics for my cardiovascular disease to reduce blockage in the arteries.

First I started with an ayurvedic fermented tonic called “ Hridayasanthi”.

Then I started taking probiotic Kefir, probiotic yogurt, etc. After taking probiotics, the rate of increase of blockage in my arteries stands at a low level of about 1.5 % per year. But the blockage never decreased.

About 8 months back, I watched a video by Dr. Breuer titled “Vitamin K2 – What is it? – Does it remove plaque“.

After watching that video, I realised that Vitamin K2 production in my digestive system is low and this is the root cause of my cardiovascular disease. Vitamin K2 guides calcium to its final destinations, bones and teeth. But if the production of Vitamin K2 is very low in the digestive system, calcium will deposit in the wrong areas such as arteries, lungs, kidney, knee, etc.

There are a number of articles available in the net regarding Vitamin K2 and probiotic strain related to Vitamin K2. Two such articles are given below:

1) Long-Chain vitamin K2 production in Lactococcus Lactis.
2) Lactococcus Lactis with high vitamin K2.

According to these articles, lactic acid bacteria Lactococcus Lactis can synthesize Vitamin K2 from the food we eat. Therefore, increasing the count of Lactococcus Lactis bacteria in the digestive system will increase vitamin K2 production in the body.

According to an article titled “Vitamin D and cardiovascular Disease”, vitamin D also plays an important role in treating cardiovascular disease. There is another article available in the net titled “Oral supplementation with probiotic L. Reuteri increases circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D”. This states that L. Reuteri increases serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D by 25.5 % over 9-week intervention in a human trial.

I was looking for multi-strain probiotic capsule / tablet that has probiotic strains Lactococcous Lactis (for vitamin K2) and L. Reuteri (for vitamin D). I searched the net and found 8 brands that contain the required probiotic strains and are listed below in the alphabetical order:

1) CaptainBiotics Probiotic – 19 probiotic strains.
2) Garden of Life RAW Probiotics for Women – 32 probiotic strains.
3) INNATE Vitality women's Probiotic – 17 probiotic strains.
4) InnovixLabs Multi strain Probiotic – 31 probiotic strains.
5) Nature's Secret Digestive Bliss – 18 probiotic strains.
6) NewRhythm Probiotic – 20 probiotic strains.
7) RAW Probiotics 100 Billion CFU – 34 probiotic strains.
8) Terranics Probiotic – 19 probiotic strains.

I selected one of these brands and took one tablet / capsule per day for about 90 days. I also took regular medication along with this probiotic. I also took 2 teaspoons of ground flax seed at night.

Now, blockage in my arteries are reducing and I feel great. Only regret I have is that I did not know about this treatment earlier. In my opinion, it is a simple and effective treatment for cardiovascular disease.

Best wishes.
P. Raghavan.

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To P Raghavan:

The information you have provided is extremely valuable . Many thanks indeed!

Replied by MC

Thanks for your thoughtful insight. I am assuming this would be a healthful protocol for Carotid Artery disease?

Replied by Frederick
(Greater London)

How can you test to know for sure your blockages in your arteries are reducing?

And also do you think they are just getting smaller, or do you think they are actually being eliminated completely?

Probiotics and Alkalizing Green Drink

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Posted by P. Raghavan (Virudhunagar, Tn, India) on 03/16/2017
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Probiotic Capsules and Alkalizing Green Drink For Heart Disease.

Coronary Heart Disease (CHD) is usually caused by a build-up of fatty deposits on the walls of the arteries around the heart (coronary arteries). It is caused by high level of bad cholesterol (LDL) and triglycerides in the blood. One of the main reasons for high level of bad cholesterol and triglycerides is the probiotic imbalance in the digestive system. Probiotic imbalance in the digestive system is caused by:

1) Antibiotic / Steroid treatment

2) Stress

3) high fat diet

4) Sedentary life style

5) Smoking

6) Alcohol

7) Refined sugar, etc.

The probiotic strains most often mentioned in the research papers for high level of bad cholesterol (LDL) and triglycerides in the blood are the probiotic deficiencies of :

1) Tier I (Critical ) = B. longum, L. Plantarum and L. Reuteri.

2) Tier II ( Useful) = L. Fermentum, L. Casei and L. Achidophilus.

There are multi-strain probiotic capsules containing the above six strains ( including other probiotic strains) available online. One such probiotic capsules in is :

ULTRA-30 Probiotics - 18 strains - 60 capsule.

It cost about US Dollar 28.

One can follow the following protocal for the treatment of coronary heart heart disease:

1) Take one probiotic capsules containing the six probiotic strains in the morning 30 minutes before breakfast for 60 days.

2) If there are damaged cells in the heart (due to heart attach), coronary arteries ( due to fatty deposits ), and other parts of the body, take alkalizing green drink 30 minutes before dinner for 60 days.

It has to be prepared by taking chlorophyll-rich foods like spinach, cilantro, parsley, wheatgrass, etc. and add half cup of water. Extract green juice and then add 2 teaspoon of Apple cider vinegar, lemon juice from one lemon and pinch of sea salt. Apple cider vinegar and lemon juice will keep the body alkaline. Chlorophyll will repair the damaged cells under alkaline cellular environment.

After 60 days, if the bad cholesterol and triglycerides return to normal levels, you are cured. But one has to follow the protocol two days in a week for maintenance. Once the bad cholesterol and triglycerides returned to normal levels, the fatty deposits in the coronary arteries may start to dissolve.

If there is no improvement in the levels of bad cholesterol and triglycerides after 60 days, the cause of coronary heart disease is other than probiotic imbalance. It may be due to:

1) Enzyme deficiency

2) Coenzyme deficiency,

3) Genetics, etc.

Best wishes,

P. Raghavan.

Replied by P. Raghavan
(Virudhunagar, Tn, India)

Re: Probiotics and Alkalizing Green Drink for Heart Disease.

There are a number of articles available in the net on the effects of different probiotic strains on lipid profile. There is an article available in the net titled " Effects of Probiotics on Lipid Profile: A Review " by Aziz Homauouni, et al. This article summarizes various animal and human studies using different strains on lipid profile. If one analyzes the summary, one can come to the conclusion that effective probiotic strain that can reduce total cholesterol, bad cholesterol (LDL) and triglycerides is : B. Longum. There are two other probiotic strains namely L. Reuteri and L. Plantarum and these two probiotic strains can reduce total cholesterol and bad cholesterol.

According to a research paper titled " The Hypocholesterolaemic Effects of Milk Yogurt and Soy-yogurt containing Bifidobacteria in rats fed on Cholesterol-enriched diet " by Abd Ed-gawad, et al. According to this paper, forty eight hypocholesterolaemic rats were used in the study. Twenty four rats were given ordinary yogurt (control group) and the remaining 24 rats were given ordinary yogurt + B. Longum for 35 days. The rats which were fed by B. Longum showed the following results at the end of 35 days:

1) Total Cholesterol reduction = 50.3 %.

2) Triglycerides reduction = 51.2 %.

3) Bad Cholesterol reduction = 56.3 %.

There is another research paper titled " Effects of milk products fermented by B. Longum on blood lipids in rats and healthy adult male volunteers " by Xiao, et al. This study uses 32 male volunteers with serum cholesterol from 220 to 280. The study duration was 4 week. At the end of 4 th week, there was a considerable reduction of total cholesterol, triglycerides and bad cholesterol for the male volunteers who took B. Longum and also their initial total cholesterol levels in the range of 240 to 280. Also, for the volunteers who took B. Longum, there was an increase of 14.5 % of good cholesterol (HDL).

One way B. Longum reduces bad cholesterol and triglycerides is as follows: B. Longum produces Bile Salt Hydrolases (BSH) enzymes. These enzymes will convert bile salt into amino acids and cholic acids. Cholic acids are not soluble in water and they are excreted. Amino acids acids are reabsorbed into intestinal track. Since the production of cholesterol is reduced by the BSH enzyme activity, serum cholesterol will also reduce. Because of this, bad cholesterol and triglycerides levels will come down. Once the bad cholesterol and triglycerides return to normal levels, fatty deposits in the coronary arteries will slowly dissolve.

According to an article titled " Daily doses of a new probiotic reduces 'bad' and total cholesterol by JO, 127 adult patients with high cholesterol participated in a study. They took 200 mg of L. Reuteri per day for 9 weeks. At the end of 9 weeks, the following are the results:

1) Total cholesterol reduction = 9.1 %.

2) Bad cholesterol reduction = 11.6 %.

According to an article titled "Cholesterol - lowering efficacy of L. Plantarum in hypercholesterolaemic adults " by Fuentes, et al, 60 volunteers participated in the study for 12 weeks. Those volunteers who took L. Plantarum and also their initial total cholesterol levels between 251 and 300 showed the following results :

1) Total cholesterol reduction = 17.4 %.

2) Bad cholesterol reduction = 17.6 %.

If one wants to control only bad cholesterol and triglycerides levels, there is no need to take alkalizing green drink. Take one multi strain probiotic capsule 30 minute before breakfast for 60 days and see the results after 60 days.

This thread is based on my understanding of various articles on this subject in the net. Any correction or additions will be appreciated.

Best Wishes

P. Raghavan.

Resveratrol, L Arginine

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Posted by Mohammed (Toronto, Ontario, Canada) on 10/09/2012
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After three angioplasty procedures in a period of long ten years, my heart health never improved. At last, I was admitted to st. Michael hospital toronto, canada for an immediate open heart surgery. For six months I was ok but my heart complaints started to come back slowly. Chest pain, high blood pressure, heavy feeling after every meal, difficulty walking on stairs etc. I am sure every heart patient is familiar with these symptoms.

In a state of frustration, I determined to do some research on myself. I tested every possible herb or supplement on my heart health and at last came to a miraculous conclusion. Nowadays I almost claim my heart works like a baby.

In a long period of time after the bombardment of statin and blood pressure pills, your heart loses its natural activity. It needs an alignment by proper supplements to combat three factors at the same time:

Fat and cholesterol reduction, blood pressure control, and opening clogged artery.

It's about a miracle molecule Resveratrol and L arginine the ultimate arsenal to reduce blood pressure without any side effect, egg white the only cholesterol free pure protein against its rival carbohydrate to turn fat and triglycerides into body mass, and a cup of green tea all included in a breakfast.

I claim is a discovery if you implement it in my ways. Trust me I suffered for long 15 years and I found a positive way to inflict an alignment on my heart one day at a time. And in 10 to 15 days your heart starts working like a baby.


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Posted by Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 05/17/2009 509 posts
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Usually what gets clogged is the arteries, and that includes coronary arteries, retinal arteries, carotids and all, but these are areas most often causing trouble. There is a simple, safe remedy for this. See if you can locate a compounding pharmacist where you live and call asking them if they can prepare an 8 ounce supply of SSKI (potassium iodide). Get it quickly and in the meantime type potassium iodide into your search window and go. When references come up look for the Tahoma Clinic one (on my computer I think it appears about the 3rd or 4th page. Dr. Jonathan Wright's article can be downloaded for free, so read it thoroughly, because the decision on going this route is yours, not mine, but you will have good information in your hands to help you make a wise decision.

Start this SSKI at 4 to 6 drops in unchlorinated water once a day. Since it will take several months to unclog these arteries, be sure to have your doctor follow your thyroid function as there is a slight risk of thyroid problems developing with long term SSKI. The other thing that Dr. Wright recommends to use along with SSKI to declog your arteries, is niacin. More than the amount he recommends will be obtained from B complex 100 daily and will not hurt you. If your problem includes any irregularity of your heart rate, also get a 400 to 500 mgm magnesium supplement and take 1 morning and evening.

When you feel that your problems is much better, drop your SSKI to a maintenance dose of 2 drops in unchlorinated water each day. Don't let anyone talk you into an invasive procedure such as coronary artery bypass or placement of stents until you give the above a chance to work it's wonders.

Keep us posted because it will help other members of the EC family to know what works and what doesn't and help them make wise decisions in their own health care in the future and that is what EC is all about.


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Posted by Tom (Roseburg, Oregon, Usa) on 12/10/2009
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Clearing Blockages

In 2002, an angiogram showed 4 blockages in my heart. I took: 250mg Proline b.i.d., 250mg Lysine b.i.d., 8000mg Vitamin C daily, 1200IU Vitamin E daily, 120mg CoQ10 daily, 3 tbsp fish oil daily, Selenium 400mcg daily, along with a full spectrum of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. In 6 months, I could run short distances, and in 18 months, I'm back to normal function. I can pass a stress test.

EC: B.I.D. means 2 times per day.

Replied by Rob
(Manhattan, New York)

fantastic news!...thanks for the valuable info!

Replied by Heart Concerned
(Los Angeles, California)

How is your heart doing now? Did you keep up your good progress?

Replied by Lee
(South Aust)

what do you mean by an earthenware pot? I don't have one, can I use a substitute of something else? what a bout stainless steel?

Replied by Marilyn
(Wellington, New Zealand)

Lee, from the instructions it looks like you need to avoid stainless steel. If you have a crock pot/slow cooker you could use that if it has an earthenware (china) inner. Note that only wooden utensils are used.

I think I would also add cayenne pepper into this (1 450mg capsule) or a couple of teaspoons.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2075 posts

I have read reported that the mineral Copper is very important for the integrity of arterial structure or tissue; so cooking with Copperware may be advised. Take 25 mg Zinc occasionally to balance the Cu.

Replied by Sandra
(Sydney, Australia)

Copperware has copper but it is "inorganic" so the body won't be able to use it and you will end up being copper toxic. You need to eat organic copper (in plants). Getting minerals from plants also gives you the correct ratios of other minerals as well.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2075 posts

Sandra: Not sure to agree or disagree with your position as it has been long advised that cooking with ironware is a good way to get Iron in the diet/body. Colloidal Silver Generators produce high levels of Ionic Silver for human consumption for ant-pathogen treatment.

Of course, Ionic Trace Minerals is our best source of (trace) minerals. Cooked or supplemented Liver is also a good source of minerals, which, ironically is not a vegetable source.

Replied by Joe
(Chesapeake, Va)

I am making the above mixture. I used a juicer for all three juices and am reducing it in a crock pot. It's turning green. Is it supposed to do this or is this contamination from either the juicer or crock pot?

Replied by Rezwai

Mixture can turn green or light brown, no harm, depends on the ingredients mainly ginger and garlic. It is important that you use clay/earthen pot or procelin as mixture can react with metal as it is ascetic acid. ACV must be organic, raw and unfiltered for best result. Honey must also be raw and pure.

Replied by Bushra Sikander

When I boiled all 4 ingredients, it turned green, I don't know what happened wrong. plz tell me, should I add honey to it or not. I think the honey will go to waste if the mixture has become toxic. plz reply asap.

Replied by Frelle
(New York, USA)

Hi, May I know how long can this remedy last in Fridge? 1 month? 2 months? Please advise

Replied by Patrick
(Hong, Kong)

Hello Baldev, I have made some ACV+garlic+lemon per instruction and found the juice has turned dark green in color. Is it normal color for the mixture? Thank for your reply.

Replied by Baldev
(Mumbai, Maharashtra, India)
190 posts

Hi Patrick, Well, I don't think that the color would be greenish. Since we add the honey in to the mixture that gives a kind of dark color to it. But, as I have said earlier if the mixture is kept in the fridge it is ok to use. Because if it is kept out in the room temp. It gets fermented and then the taste is affected, but as for benifits are concerned in my opinion should not change, because fermented food to some extent is healthy, like khimchi, ACV. Good Luck


Replied by Irene
(Batu Caves, Malaysia)

I just made it last night. Used a slow juicer for 16 medium cloves of garlic, about 600gm ginger, 3 lemons & a pyrex bowl to cook. The final mixture color is yellowish ochre. (Includes 1 cup of apple cider + 1 cup of honey)

I will consume it for general health maintenance.

My aunt has started consuming 1 tbsp before breakfast for 3 weeks now, & she confirmed that there is no change in the color of her mixture. Good for bowel movement, too.

[Tips: Can use the ginger & garlic pulp for cooking or fry them in oil & add a tbsp for salad dressing or food.}

Replied by Aya Jamal
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Hello Guys,

For the guys whose recipe turned green, did you consume the recipe? Did it work? Cause I followed the same instructions and I got a green mixture as well.

Replied by Ria
(Las Vegas)

Hi, just wanted to calm the fear about the color change. I just cooked up a batch of this for my husband in ceramic cookware, using a wooden spoon to stir and it did turn a bright blue-green color. I added the honey and still the same. I keep it in the fridge and I have taken it myself for three days now without any problems. I don't believe it's the metal utensils that caused the color change, although I think it's good advice to use glass or ceramic. I think it's just a chemical reaction among all the ingredients that's brought about by the heating process. I haven't felt any ill feelings whatsoever. I looked up Dr. Ketan Patkar's site that was recommended by someone in a prior post, and he says clearly to take it with a glass of warm water, as does Mama to Many. Get ready for a powerful flavor blast though!

Replied by David
(Washington, Dc)

Recieved stent 8/20/12. Informed of a 75% blockage, to be treated with meds. Question, want to take the acv/garlic/lemon/ginger/honey mix... is it safe with standard meds after balloon procedure?

Replied by Tara
(Tabriz, Iran)

Hi, My husband had a heart attack 6 years ago and since then he is in doctor's control taking statins, aspirin, digoxin. But these drugs' side effects, especially statins, are severe. Can he use the garlic, ginger, lemon & ginger recipe instead of statins and digoxin to control his cholestrol? He has stent in one of his arteries.

Replied by Raghav
(Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh , India)

hi, I received a stent in 2003 AND recent angiography showed 50% blockage WITHIN the stent.. Can I take this ACV/garlic/lemon/ginger/honey mixture with a stent already present on LAD ? If so, then what should be the dosages? Someone pls help.. Thanks

Replied by Baldev
(Mumbai, Maharashtra, India)
190 posts

Hi, This is in response to Abhi, Rameshchandra, David, Tara and Raghav, heart attack and having stent placed is no disqualification to take the natural things. All the ingredients of the mixture you are talking about are what we eat day to day, they are very healthy and are heart friendly and under no circumstances they will harm the heart. Ted and Bill have written a lot on this subject on this site so feel free to take it. Statins on the contrary have very strong side effects and in my opinion should be avoided as for as possible, they do less good and more harm. Ted on this site has recommended lemon oil 10 drops twice a day as a good aid to clean the arteries. Good Luck

Baldev (09322887066)

Replied by Vipin
(Canberra, Australia)

I have prepared this mixture, but it turned green while hot also have same green color when becomes hot? Still I havn't added honey in to it, Is this mixer is safe to drink? Thanks for feedback.Vipin

Replied by Davinder
(Hayes, Middlesex, Uk)

Good Evening, I am 56 year old man gone through angiogramme last month and comes with three artery blocked, two is 70% and third is 80%. Please advise - can I take this supplement: Garlic, ginger, apple cider vinegar, lemon and honey, as I am on these medications:


Thanks. Best regards, Davinder

Replied by Gavin
(Manganui, Northland, New Zealand)

I'd be a bit carefull as ginger and garlic are potent blood thinners, and you are already on aspirin. You loose blood from the gut everytime you take an aspirin. Statins are contraindicated with grapefruit. Lemon juice and apple cider vinegar should clean out the arteries, might be best to stick with them. Or knock off the asprin and do the garlic and ginger?

Replied by Mt
(Ottawa, Ontario Canada)

If your blood is getting to thin (coagulation time increases) there is a high risk of internal bleeding (including stroke). I would not mix medication and natural remedies. You have to avoid contusions or any physical accidents.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2075 posts

I agree with Gavin specifically but generally the goal is to reduce the amount of pharmaceutical meds to at least half. Tell your doctor that you would not like to continue taking this large amount of meds indefinitely. Mention you are eating heart healthy food and would like smaller doses (mg) to coincide with your new diet.

As for the natural regimen for artery cleaning, "start low and go slow" is the safe method.

Supplementing Carnitine and CoQ10 will significantly strengthen and improve the Heart.

Replied by Gavin
(Manganui, Northland, New Zealand)

Yes... Take it slow and build up the Apple Cider Vinegar and lemon juice over a couple of weeks, you don't want to strip to much calcium off the artery walls to fast, remember it has been deposited to protect the artery wall, probably because of something in the diet.... Free running table salt seems to be a main culprit, change to sea salt.... and probably too much calcium from various sources. The Apple Cider Vinegar and lemon juice dissolve the calcium in just the way it cleans a furred up kettle, so make sure you keep your fluids up, to flush the offending residue out. If you suffer from breathlesness and cyanosis (blueing of the extremities) have a serious look at cayenne but remember this is also a blood thinner.

Replied by Bess
(Calgary, Alberta, Canada)

Hi Davinder - Like the others said, you will need to do some research before combining conventional medications with alternative methods.

Is it possible for you to see a naturopath or find a doctor who is open to a more natural approach to health?

Having said that, there is some interesting information on serrapeptase for heart health on the internet.Well worth checking out. Good luck!

Replied by Zark
(Emerald City)

The likely reason for weight gain is that your digestive system has become more efficient due to changes in gut flora, and is now absorbing more nutrients. This is seen also in livestock when feeding them lower doses of antibiotics:

"sub-therapeutic antibiotic treatment has been shown to increase growth rate and weight gain in a wide variety of livestock, including chickens, pigs, cows, and sheep, indicating an evolutionarily conserved relationship between microbes and host metabolism"


Replied by Rajneesh
(Chandigarh, India)

I am using this combination since 01Oct 2012, it has wonderful impact on overall health also. Just be positive while using it. Whenever you are consuming this combination, feel good taking it in and for sometime create positivity in your mind that its working on you. Call in case you need to know more about it. I prepared this four times and about to finish my last leftover. Rajneesh 91 9915320907

Replied by Dolar
(Dhaka, Bangladesh)

How long time it need to drink for blockage of Veins open if the block size is 65%?

Replied by Avna
(Pa, US)

Barbara in San Antonio: did it help? My husband has heart problems (valve calcifications)- he is drinking IT once a day--his appointment with cardiologist is 1/20/15! So until that time he agreed to try IT. by IT I describe the stuff that we do. He was afraid of ACV because of his acid reflux so for first batch we used 3 lemons, 3 huge apples, big chunk of ginger and 5 bulbs of garlic. Juiced it all, boiled and simmered for 30 min (turned greenish) and added 3 tbsp. of honey (not more because of his diabetes. His stomach was ok with it so for the second batch we doubled ginger, garlic, lemons, used 3 apples again and half cup of ACV. This time it did not change color but this time I didn't boil it before simmering. I think this is better. He drinks it now, his stomach is fine, but he still gets breathless sometimes... too often... For the third batch I want to use 1 full cup of ACV and no apples. PLEASE advise me how many lemons, bulbs of garlic, how big a piece of ginger to make 1 cup of juice from each???

I have to blend it first before my juicer takes it so I really need to know quantities.

Replied by Concerned
(Los Angeles, California)

Hi Adam, My husband has a stent on his right main artery. He also has blockage in the left artery. He also has chest pains and the doctor has told him that he has angina. Is the ACV, garlic, ginger, lemon and honey mixture safe for him to take. Thank you and God bless.

Replied by Willa
(San Marcos, Tx)

For Paul, and others who may be reading this, if it burns to drink this mixture, dilute more with water.

Replied by Debb S
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I went for my 3 month a1c (blood glucose) test. Three months ago I was at 8.9 now 6.8. My blood count was 260 in april. Now 124. Doing this all natural. With Apple Cider Vinegar, cinnamon, olive leaf, and a tea from the bush plant from costa rica. I did use the concotion of the Apple Cider Vinegar ginger, garlic, and lemon. My blood pressure was perfect, she said. I also changed my eating drastically - got rid of all white foods out my diet. So this natural stuff does work. I was brought up on it so I am solded. Go ahead try it!

Replied by Joni
(Crete, Greece)

What herbs are you taking now that lowered your blood sugar so dramatically?

Replied by Raj


My name is Raj and recently in my Angiography I came to know that I have 100% RCA (right coronary artery) blockage and remaining everything shows up normal. My age is 30 years. I have Blood Pressure. I am using the below drugs. Could you please update me if I can use this Natural Medicine with the Tablets?

1) Clopilet

2) Flavedon

3) Cardivas

4) Rozavel

5) Losartan.

I have prepared the natural medicine in home and it is ready for me to use it.

Could you please update me if the 100% blockage can be reduced by this medicine.

I am really suffering a lot, since I do not have any symptoms at all and really shocked after meeting the doctor and after the angiography. We are planning for kids.

Please your help is very much appreciated and can help my life go smoother.

Replied by Larry
(Fairfax, Va)

Raj, Taking Vitamin K-2 (available on-line via Ama....n) may help you; it is purported to shift calcium from the arteries to the bones, where it belongs. - Larry

Replied by Aniket

Dear I will like to know, After how many days/ months you started feeling your blockages started melting or FIT from every thing.

Ref: My mother has diagnosed with around 90% blockage I have already started the remedy/ juice.

Replied by Kathleen
(West Virginia)

Yes, Hi I would love to try this for my dad. He is 81 and has 100% blocked arteries in both sides of his neck. Do I need to use a blender or just mix all ingredients and take it every morning? He takes bp meds too but also has renal and cardio problems. Can you give me some suggestions please? Thank you.

Replied by George

How long do I have to wait after taking it to drink water or eat breakfast?

Replied by Suresh
(Hyderabad, India)

Hi, My Father had sever heart pain in the month of July & received a stent for one of the veins which was blocked 99%. However, he still has left with 2 more viens blocked one with 90% & one with 75%. Doctor suggested to go for Angiogram to see the level of blockages in additional two viens & suggested to go for Bypass surgery.

Note: My Father is diabetic patient from last 29 years & he has arthritis now. Using medicine for both heart pain & arthritis. Currenty he has stent in his heart.

Please suggest, how safe is this syrup/mixture for him to take now?

Replied by Wayout
(Motown, Ca/ Usa)

High dose (10g is what I am doing) forms of Vit C as Ascorbic Acid is amazingly, shall we say, beneficial, with diabetes type II, according to several doctors and researchers.

Sufficient Boron /Borax is eqally amazing at, shall we say, resolving, all forms of arthritis.

Small wonder both have been given the deep six treatment. Cheap, and effective as all get out. --T.

Replied by Jg

I made this as per yours and many other online recipe but turned out to military green after mixing honey. Can you or any body tell me what went wrong?

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)

Jg, that happens often when you mix crushed garlic with lemon. Especially if you don't consume it within a few hours. It's some chemical reaction.

It doesn't affect the taste, and probably not the medicinal properties, it's just quite unappetizing!!

Replied by Elaine

Yes, you can give this to a diabetic.

Replied by Alla
(Chicago, Il)

I also was thinking about raw ingredients with all the enzymes in them. It makes more sense, however I did not see anyone replied to your message. Did you receive any respond to it?

Replied by Mama To Many

You bring up a good and valid question regarding cooked herbal remedies versus raw herbal remedies:

I have tended to think that raw was generally preferred because of the enzymes. But a comment I recently read by herbalist Susun Weed helped me to consider another way. She points out that when we make herbal teas/ infusions, etc, we are letting time and heat draw out the medicinal properties. If we take the herbs just raw, our bodies have to do that work.

Herbs are quite complex. I think there are times for using them raw and times for using them cooked. Some herbs work well taken in capsules, but others need time and water (like Red Raspberry leaf) to draw out the properties needed. Some herbs work very well when tinctured in alcohol. Others work well when tinctured in vinegar. (The alcohol is usually preferred, though.)

I do not know for sure the best way to prepare or take the concoction mentioned in this thread. I just thought I would add these thoughts because raw is not necessarily always the best way for herbal remedies to be taken.

~Mama to Many~

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