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Natural Remedies for High Cholesterol

Dietary Changes
Posted by Joru (Northeast, US) on 12/14/2014

What no one tells you is that high cholesterol can be associated with certain types of yeast. --among other possible causes.
Diet Changes:

- cut out all vegetable oils (including olive), minimize animal fats, use only low-fat dairy w/ no hormones or antibiotics/grass-fed, no fried foods. If fat is needed for cooking, use a small amount of butter (w/o hormones).

- buy all food fresh at farmer's markets & avoid packaged foods in stores; do more cooking at home.

- cut out white potatoes.

- eat more dark leafy greens, garlic, cruciferous vegetables; sweet potato, lentils, buckwheat, etc.

- include some fermented veggies (sauerkraut, hoarseradish, etc) in your diet which naturally contain "good bacteria".

- don't take vitamin pills unless you have to for a clear & convincing medical reason;

- minimize use of non-essential medications, as much as you safely can (consult your doc before making any changes).

- eat more fresh herbs and spices.

- eliminate alcohol; if you want to have something occasionally choose dry red wine or beer.

- eliminate coffee (raises cortisol).

- walk.

General Feedback
Posted by Sam (Miami) on 12/13/2014

Cholesterol is not an enemy. Inflamation is. Google about PLAC test which is a new test for inflamation doctors know nothing about. Get tested via privatemdlab (all paperwork done online), it is under $100, they also offer monthly coupons.No need for a doctors requisition (except few states). I would also recommend you know your calcium serum and ferritin serum numbers by heart. It should be below 10.2 for calcium and 40-60 for ferritin. Anything above these numbers MUST be investigated. Remember, doctors go by lab.ranges, not functional ranges.Do not listen to doctors about ferritin normal ranges and do not wait and see if your calcium is above 10.1, have PTH blood test done. So cholesterol should be the last of your worries if calculated ratios are normal (as I recommended already)

General Feedback
Posted by Sam (Miami, FL) on 12/13/2014

If your total cholesterol(tc) is below 300 and all ratios are normal why do you take medication? Total cholesterol is useless number by itself. here is online calculator www.hughcalc.org/chol.php

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Sam (Miami, Florida) on 12/13/2014

The article is dated 2006, and a lot changed since. The cause of heart disease is inflammation, not cholesterol. Cholesterol is like firefighters, inflammation is a fire. Possibly the supplements regime the article proposes reduced inflammation and as a consequence the liver sends less firefighters to fight diminished fire.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Bajanine (Grand Junction, Colorado) on 12/12/2014

I'd like to share that in my research I found this:

Link. I have other links that say pretty much the same thing but I am upgrading my server so I can't look it up right now.

Taking L-lysine, l-proline, Ca, Mg, Na, and K ascorbates dropped my Mother's cholesterol 30 points, and she never did build up to the levels proposed in that article. Her Doctor was impressed! Too many ascorbates at once can cause diarrhea, She is supposed to take 3 doses a day but rarely gets more than one dose/day, and still it lowered her cholesterol more than 10%.

General Feedback
Posted by Shaggdew (Mansfield, Mo.) on 12/12/2014

Hello all: ok this is the first time posting, so please bear with me a few years ago. I had to go in and get a check up first time in years. Dr told me I had high cholesterol. I believe was like 140, ok he put me on atorvastatin 40 mg* didn't think much about it. Really didn't pay much attention to any effects, didn't take every day, which with trying to get kids up an going and trying to get out the door my self. Just forgot, really, but so on went back year later another check up. Went up to like 152 or something like that which didn't bother me; it did to the doc though. But at the same time had mentioned I had this itchy feeling on my ears that was driving me nuts.

Also mentioned had a hard time sleeping and some other things which with some older injuries wasn't concerned which make it hard to sleep at times. As time progressed, really then started noticing other things also. So not too long ago did some miner research on the medication I'm on so tried a test. Went off medication for a month or so, itching subsided and some others thing.

We're getting less of a problem some what so went back on it again and sure enough it all started back. Ok had a new visit with doc. or should say new dr in the office and yep went up to 170 and she mentioned that it had gone down to 132 the year before. Mentioned what I noticed and had done asked, about a more natural remedy, gave me a couple suggestions but still made out a new prescription for crestor 10mg* so I'm checking into a natural way of lowering.

Stopped by heath food store in the next town over, talked to them got some ideas to try and found on this site about ACV. I'm going to try ACV tomorrow but with the grape juice idea I thought i'd post this to tell anyone what I've done. I have to go back to drs. in March and will come back here to post what effects comes of it. I'm not going to change any eating habits so it will be normal living situation so let's see what happens. Thanks all for info and good luck. Have a good day.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Mikell (Louisville, Kentucky) on 11/29/2014

So, it should be taken with ACV. I thought that it is an alternative to the ACV and water combo. Thanks a bunch for the reply.

Medication Side Effects
Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 11/23/2014

One person in a hundred is helped to avoid a cardiac event by taking a statin drug. (1%) One person is five is harmed by the same drug, many permanently so. (20%)

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Audry (Ca) on 11/19/2014

You would stir in a pinch with your ACV and water.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Susie (Dublin, Ireland) on 11/07/2014
5 out of 5 stars

I was able to get my cholesterol down from 7.6 to 5.7 (still working on it!! ) by having porridge with oatbran added in the monrings, and taking niacin, a B vitamin that helps the liver from absorbing too much cholesterol. (Also a supplement - all natural - called Zero Chol) .. and ACV as well - and I also avoided surgery for nasal polyps by using colloidal silver, and acv. Brilliant!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Mikell (Louisville, Kentucky) on 11/02/2014

Just started taking apple cider vinegar to lower cholesterol and blood pressure, 2 tsps. in 8oz. of water, 3x a day. I am curious about the cayenne pepper, how should it be taken? Thanks!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Donna (Pa, US) on 10/08/2014

My LDL is too high. How should I be taking Apple Cider Vinegar to lower it?

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Mama to Many (Tennessee) on 10/03/2014

Dear Donna,

I think a good time to take it is first thing in the morning or between meals.

You might also consider taking cayenne pepper and eating oatmeal a few times a week. Also, eating carrots or drinking carrot juice regularly may be helpful.

~Mama to Many~

General Feedback
Posted by Ellie (Sarasota, FL) on 10/03/2014

Chris Masterjon, PhD in nutritional science is a leading expert on cholesterol, lipids and more. This is the link to his articles and blogs. TONS of information, much of which contradicts mainstream science.


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Donna (Pa, USA) on 10/02/2014

How should I take Apple Cider Vinegar for high cholesterol? Should I take it before or after meals? Thank you

Posted by Gertg (Tennessee, USA) on 08/27/2014

I didn't mind the flush, even tho it was uncomfortable. What got me was the lowered blood pressure that caused me to black out. I'd like to take the niacin for the cholesterol, but I can't be passing out every day. I felt weak all day after that yesterday. I can get some lower dose niacin and start on that, but wow, I wasn't expecting to faint.

Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 08/27/2014

Some more information on Niacin. it's true that people will have differing flush reactions when taking higher dose niacin, but there are several other options open to you.

First, you can just try taking higher dose niacin at mealtimes.Taking it with food greatly lessens the flush effect because of slower absorption into the body with the food.

Secondly, you can take an aspirin 20 mins before you take the niacin. You will have very little, if any, flushing effects using this method.

Thirdly, you can supplement the no-flush niacin or inositol hexanicotinate which is the slow release niacin form that has no flushing effects at all. With this method you can take up to 1500 mgs twice a day with no side-effects.

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile Tn.) on 08/26/2014

HI U GERTG, , , , , , , , , , , most MD's don't have a clue as to how to use flushing Niacin and as a result turn the patient off. They had rather you be on a statin drug anyway. First people flush at a different dosages. I always buy my supplement in 100 mg capsules so I can slowly build up to the dosage that just causes me to flush. I suspect that at 500 mg you were way high on your tolerance. I find that flushing near bedtime affects my sleep. The Naturopath who introduced me to this detox, said to start a short walk after taking the supplement as exercise aids in starting the flush.

I encourage you to start at 200 mg and take a morning walk. If you do not flush then go to 300mg the next day. You will soon find what works for you without a lot of hassle.

Hope this has been of some help.

=======OLE ROBERT HENRY======

Posted by Mmsg (Europe) on 08/26/2014

Gertg, 500mg. is a ton to start out with for some people. I took way less than ONE hundred and got bad reactions.

Posted by Gertg (Tenn, US) on 08/26/2014
0 out of 5 stars

My cholesterol was inching upward, so I decided to try niacin to bring it down. I got the flush kind because everything I read said that 'no flush, no action on cholesterol'. The first dose (500 mg) I had a reaction--flushing, itching, red all over. Took about 2 hours and I was okay. The next day, I took another dose and had the same reaction only it was gone in 1/2hr or so. Then I missed several days. This morning, I took a dose at 6 a.m. Soon I had the flushing, itching, redness. Got in the shower figuring it would cool me and sooth the itch. Didn't. In fact, I started seeing spots so quickly got out and sat down. It got so bad that I moved from sitting on the toilet to sitting on the floor so I wouldn't fall. I must have passed out, because I don't recall laying all the way down. I then crawled to my bed and laid there for almost 45 minutes. Finished getting ready for work and stretched out on the couch until time to leave. I'm fine now, just some residual itch. Should I not take it anymore? Reduce the dose? Besides being uncomfortable, that was kind of scary. I am thankful that I wanted to try it when I had plenty of time and that DH was there in case I needed more help. Comments? Thanks.

High Cholesterol Readings
Posted by Sam (Florida) on 06/07/2014

1) Unless your Chol. is over 300, no need to worry if ALL your ratios are within normal range.

2) Know your LP(a) level. If elevated, nothing you do will lower it, as it is a whole different ball game. LP(a) role is not known yet. It is produced in liver and destroyed in kidneys. Check your kidneys. People with elevated LP(a) have a chance to live to 100(and age slowly), as well as have increased risk of CVD. That is why scientists don't understand it.

3)Worried or concerned? Have PLAC test done. Can be done in any private lab without requisition. Cost under $100.

50% of heart attacks and ischemic strokes occur in patients with normal cholesterol.

The PLAC Test measures Lp-PLA2, an enzyme that, when elevated, indicates arterial inflammation, making heart attack or stroke more likely.

All we have to fear is fear itself.

Oat Straw Tea
Posted by 1947hoppy (Indiana, United States) on 04/12/2014

Though I have oatmeal for breakfast on most days, supplemented with coconut oil, nuts, blackstrap molasses, nuts and yogurt. My cholesterol dropped some, but not enough to make the doctors happy. Even though I don't buy into the "one size fits all" cholesterol numbers that the drug companies promote to the medical profession, I did think it would be a good idea to bring my numbers in line a little better, but naturally.

I had read somewhere about 'oat straw tea', so I thought I would give it a try. Straw in my area, goes for about $3 a bale, which would presumably make a lot of tea. I use disposable tea sacks, but a tea ball would suffice.

I have blood work done on a regular basis for my heart and thyroid. After drinking a cup or two of 'oat straw tea' every evening for several months, my blood work showed a drop of 30 points in my LDL, a 15 increase in HDL and triglycerides also dropped correspondingly.

I stopped drinking it, though I don't remember why, and the numbers returned to where they had been. Not good. So, I started drinking it again.

This time around, LDL went from 135 to 95, HDL went from 40 to 55 and triglycerides dropped from 65 to 35.

Both times, the ONLY thing that changed was the use or lack of use of the 'oat straw tea'. I was amazed. The beauty of 'oat straw tea' is that it is simple, cheap and there are NO harmful side effects.

I strongly encourage others to give this a try. If you don't have a farmer close by that grows oats, you can buy OST online in bulk and use your own strainer. I've tried other natural methods to lower cholesterol and never saw such positive results. You get the benefit of the oats without the carbs. I brew it by the pot, along with my favorite herb tea, and keep the leftovers in the fridge for my wife to drink as iced tea. Oh yeah, her numbers all dropped also.

Apple Cider Vinegar, Supplements
Posted by Lynne (California) on 03/27/2014
5 out of 5 stars

I take the ACV with 100% Grape juice. This is also supposed to be good for high Cholesterol. In March 2013 my Cholesterol was 249. On May 6, 2013 I had a heart attack (only 56 yrs. old). Of course they put me on statins. I could not tolerate them at all. Legs felt like knives being stabbed in them, migraine headache and very weak, no energy. I immediately went to EC website and found that ACV (2X a day), Niacin(1X a day), Red rice yeast (1200mg 2X a day), Ginkgo (1 X a day), Vit D3 (1X a day) and B-12 (1X a day). I take these supplements throughout the day. My Cholesterol has dropped all the way to 186!!!!!!!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 02/15/2014

Hello Shih Tzu,

Concerning "Acute pancreatitis"

From my reading and experience there are two causes of Pancreatitis.

The veterinarians observe something in the animal world that is called "Triadism" which is a problem that manifests when a problem develops with the gall bladder and then runs to the pancreas and then effects the liver. The three (hence "triad") adversely effect each other in sequence. I don't know which organ it usually first malfunctions.

Another form of cause for Pancreatitis is a viral or bacterial infection. For that if I had Pancreatitis I'd at least try Colloidal Silver which I've had great success with in quickly knocking out infections. I'd drink a lot for three days. Five tablespoons three times a day for three days and see if there was some relief. If so I'd continue for another week at lowered amounts.

Concerning "Triadism"...if that is the cause, then you'd have multiple organs involved, but even then I'm not so sure I wouldn't at least eliminate the issue of infection as a base line treatment. At least that's what I'd consider trying.

CS can be obtained at a health food store; and not all CS brands are the same. I'd consider buying two brands to make better my odds at getting one that had sufficient quality to kill the infection. I make my own so I know what works from years of experience.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Shih Tzu Momma (Gibsonburg, Ohio) on 02/15/2014

Acute Pancreatitis is caused by high levels of Triglycerides which is what I am in danger of getting. It appears the ACV remedy does not work for this and I have yet to find a natural remedy. Statins have already sent me to the hospital so I refuse to take them. Has anyone else had this issue and found a natural remedy?

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 01/29/2014

I can't say exactly what you need but for most people Nattokinase should be sufficient. I myself take both nattokinase and serrapeptase because CFIDS causes chronic blood coagulation. I found thru experimentation over time that that combination works for me the best. I can actually feel it working in me. I'd look into MK7 vitamin K2 also because that may help keep the arteries free of calcium build up. Take with meal.

Lumbrokinase has clinical research behind it but is more expensive. No studies will be done on Nattokinase because it would hurt the financial interests of many synthetic blood clot removal products. I found nattokinase very effective for arteries so never bothered with lumbrokinase. Enzymes in general help with biofilms and dissolving various things in the body also. I also take bromelaine which acts on biofilm also. The only thing I can think of that I would maybe avoid is using aspirin on a daily basis with them. You will be fine playing with serrapeptase also.

Take the enzymes on an empty stomach. I take my enzymes all together in morning and before bed when stomachg empty. If one takes nattokinase once a day, they say the best time is before bed since blood has tendency to coagulate more when you lie horizontal. probably why many people have heart attacks in their sleep.

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 01/28/2014

Thanks Prioris,

I looked at the lumbrokinase and it looks like it would also be good for dissolving biofilms in Lyme disease and help antibiotics work more effectively. I passed this info on to others who may benefit and someone thought it may then also help with the candida biofilms. I agree about the importance of keeping the arteries clean to avoid heart disease. I have had radiowave ablation of my saphanous leg vein, which still had some non-closed areas because the vein was so large, so I hesitate to take any vein opener in case it reopens. Do you think I could still use Serrapeptase safely? I would like to keep my arteries clear, if possible. My vein doctor had no idea what it was when I asked him about it, but at least he admitted it. Thank you!

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 01/28/2014

Falsified research on beta blockers exposed. Doctors are still prescribing them. If you are on them, look into Nattokinase (or Lumbrokinase) and vitamin K2 (ML4). Below is the story.

...Patients undergoing surgery are routinely given a beta-blocker in order to reduce stress on the heart—but the research that led to the adoption of the practice was falsified, and doctors reckon that 800, 000 people have died as a result.

Beta-blockers, which are antihypertensives for lowering blood pressure, increase the chances of dying from a stroke or hypotension (dangerously low blood pressure levels) by 27 per cent.


Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Kay (In The Valley) on 01/27/2014

Read the latest book out on the subject, "The Cholesterol Myth". Don't take those statins. Half the people that die of a heart attack have high levels and half have normal levels, what does that tell you? Good Luck

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Ppodruga (Toronto, Ontario) on 01/25/2014

I am 58 y.o. Also my triglycerides are 0.48 mmol/L. Not sure is it normal or not.....

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 01/25/2014

In regards to "I don't know why people get heart disease". It is real simple. The people who have clean arteries will not get heart disease. Doesn't matter what their cholesterol reads, what their blood pressure is etc. The arteries need to get cleaned. The way to clean them is with fibrinolytic enzymes. Look at the research China has done on Lumbrokinase.

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 01/25/2014

I belong to a Yahoo group named "Stopped our Statins" where mainly statin damaged people go to share experiences. There are many members. I was a healthy, active 50 year old with high cholesterol and was put on a variety of statins, on and off, over a 10 year period. I stopped each one when I got to the point that I could no longer walk down my stairs without holding on to the railing. Each time my doctor would tell me with my family history, I might be like other patients who had heart attacks because they quit the statins. 14 - 20% of statin users will be damaged and some will develop statin induced autoimmune diseases, and that is what happened to me. It is said to actually alter the DNA in these cases. I also developed hypothyroidism, which no one else in my family has ever had. (There is said to be an epidemic of thyroid disorders and I wonder if we are reaping the statin rewards?) I can no longer sleep more than a couple of hours at a time, an actual concern for heart disease. Many suffer much more serious consequences, and after going to Johns Hopkins myopathy center for statin damage because their muscles have become wasted, have been told there is no answer for them. Our cardiologist on the group, along with other MD's, refuse to prescribe statins. They deplete CoQ10 in the body which leads to many problems down the road, especially with muscles, and of course the heart is a big muscle. They have about a 1% success rate for men who have had a previous heart attack, but no other group, including all women, derive any benefit from statin use.

Members believe the Mediterranean diet, or the Low carb diet may help with artery damage. Vitamin K2 will take calcium out of the blood vessels and direct it to the bones and teeth where it belongs. I take fish, black seed and sea buckthorn oil to keep my blood from clotting, and watch for high iron (causing sticky blood), which I can donate blood to overcome. You need cholesterol for every part of the body, especially the brain. It collects in arteries to repair damage that has already occurred. Meditation and yoga helps for stress. I don't know why people get heart disease, but cholesterol is not the reason, and statins are never the answer.

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 01/24/2014

Do not take Statins. They will damage your health. The reason they focus on cholesterol is because they will say it leads to heart disease. That is a lie. Look at the latest research regarding cholersterol and heart disease. ALmost everything they have said in the past is wrong. You can throw your cholesterol results in a basket. They aren't worth the paper they are printed on. I had cholesterol results of around 370 for over 50 years.

If you want good heart health, look into nattokinase, lumbrokinase and vitamin K2. There is a discussion on K2 within olive extract under blood pressure. How old are you by the way?

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Mike62 (Denver) on 01/24/2014

Ppodruga: Hdl should be 60. High hdl indicates oxidation making bad hdl. Ldl should be below 130. Total cholesterol should be below 200. The cholesterol of Mike Adams is approximately 70/70. Taking meds is not good. Eating cooked conventionally grown foods does not provide enough nutrition for optimal functioning. Search raw food and super food videos. Take yucca spray dried for horses. The saponins are very beneficial. Take black chia seeds and organic apples. The soluble fiber is very beneficial. Take organic beans. Small red, kidney, and pinto are best. Take desiccated liver. A good liver makes good cholesterol. Take non denatured whey isolate. This makes glutathione that mops up free radicals and prevents oxidation. Take raw cocoa powder and 90, 000hu cayenne. This is best for the cardio vascular system. Take 3ml/day skate liver oil. If you have not been taking a d3 supplement then take 5000iu d3/day. Make green smoothies from organic baby greens and add some nutritional yeast every 4 hours. Take 1 organic strawberry every 4 hours or take 200mg vitamin c from a whole food concentrate. After that take 50mg c from the whole food concentrate 4x/day.

Understanding Cholesterol Test Results
Posted by Ppodruga (Ontario) on 01/24/2014

Hi, I have received my last blood results. Doctor want me to start statins, but I am looking for some alternative help.

There are my results:


  • Total Cholesterol 8.42 (324 )
  • HDL Cholesterol 3.03 (118)
  • LDL Cholesterol 5.17 (199)
  • Cholesterol/ HDL ratio is 2.8

Can somebody help me with the results?

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Louwrence (Rustenburg, South Africa) on 01/04/2014

Hi Trudy, The slightest bit of tension or stress can have a great influence on your cholesterol. When you are relaxed it is much lower also what you eat has an influence on cholesterol.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Trudy (Al) on 01/04/2014

I agree that it's probably the holiday eating. I had the same thing happen to me--jumped very high. I'm in the same situation as you, menopause/insomnia/eat fairly well/exercise enough/weight ok. I fasted for 12+ hours before my last test, but the several days prior we had been out of town and you have to eat what your host presents to you and it was all fried/high fat/high sweets. I'll know better next time to eat right the entire week or so before the text. I take niacin for insomnia, eat oats, only use evco, eat very well, etc. There was absolutely no other reason for it to have gone up like it did. The only difference I am doing now is eating at least 1 apple/day. This is because I read that a pink lady apple helps prevent ulcers, so for a different reason and the pectin will help with cholesterol.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Robin (Rural, Va) on 01/04/2014

Thank you for everyone's suggestions. I will make a plan.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 01/03/2014

Robin: God made raw wild harvested whole foods for his lovable creatures to enjoy so they could be well and happy. Watch raw food videos and become an 80/10/10er. We happen to be all across the globe. The head gurus are Dr. Doug Graham, Andrew Kim, and David Avocado Wolfe. Hear the excellent reviews from many ordinary people. All the problems can be remedied and you can feel and think better than in your entire life very rapidly. Thank you.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 01/04/2014

Hi Robin... Regarding the problems of high total cholesterol, I do not follow the modern medical belief that high total cholesterol is bad, bad, bad.

Current opinion concerning healthy cholesterol levels follows The Lipid Theory which assumes that fats, particularly saturated fats, are bad for you.

I prefer Linus Pauling's Unified Theory concerning cholesterol which seems to make much more sense. Here is a comparison of these two theories given in a very easy to understand document which was written by a knowledgeable pharmacist that might help you to understand these two points of view:

Comparing the Unified Theory with the Lipid Theory

In your own case, your total cholesterol certainly has suddenly risen considerably. Cholesterol is needed in the body to help build and to help repair damaged cells. Therefore a sudden high rise in total cholesterol tells me that there might be damaged tissue or a damaged organ (not necessarily the heart) in your body -- which has caused the sudden rise in needed cholesterol.

Since you are also having menopause problems(you are taking Primrose oil) this could also be causing your cholesterol levels to suddenly fluctuate. Cholesterol is also essential to manufacture hormones such as testosterone and estrogen.

The best way to help both your cholesterol and menstrual issues or changes would be to supplement lugols iodine or Iodoral(lugol's iodine in a pill). Iodine helps to balance the hormones by converting estrone (strong psuedo-estrogen) to estriol (weak estrogen).

The iodine, when combined with the niacin that you are taking, should also help to safely lower cholesterol levels and also help reduce any menstrual issues.

If you decide to take the Iodine Protocol then you should take all the iodine companion nutrients as advised in this document:

A Guide to Supplementing Iodine

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Timh (Ky) on 01/04/2014 2085 posts

Robin: I will second most of the advise posted and would particularly second Prioris's recommend for "artery cleanse" w/ systemic enzymes. This could be done taken once daily for the contents of the bottle at least once yrly.

Also, you should include some herbal liver support because the liver is the metabolic factory for cholesterol (as one poster verified). Here's a list: Milk Thistle Seed, Artichoke Leaves, Dandelion Root, Burdock Root, Yellowdock Root, Beet Root. Try to find an otc product w/ as many of these herbs in combination as possible. These will increase bile flow which also increases the solubility of fats. Triple strength lecithin also increases the solubility of cholesterol.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 01/03/2014

The reason people want to lower cholesterol is because of heart disease. People should be aware that medical studies concluded many years ago that there is no correlation between heart disease and cholesterol. Same with salt. People with low cholesterol die from heart disease at the same rate as people with high cholesterol.

Heart disease (and stroke) comes down to one thing - cleaning your arteries. You use fibrolytic enzymes like nattokinase and serrapeptase for that. You take them on emnpty stomach. They protect you from strokes and heart attacks. Cholesterol is there to protect you. If it wasn't for that, you'd be dead. Do the research. Even the so called "bad" cholesterol is turning out to be good. Stop worrying about cholesterol and focus on cleaning your arteries.

For your sciatica - Take a form of highly absorb-able Hyaluronic Acid on empty stomach. I know the Biocell formula works. This will replenish your synovial fluid.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 01/03/2014

Dear Robin,

The spike up could just be a bad reading...that happens all the time. It's cheap to get another reading from an outside lab to confirm the aberrant jump.

I'm one of those who consumes Vitamin E (natural/ not synthetic) and so believe that cholesterol readings ... at least for me.... do not matter because the E keeps platelets "slick" as well as arteries and veins and hence foreign substances will not stick and form clots. Thus the damage that might happen will be kept from taking place. The problem with trying to keep cholesterol from forming by statin drug use misses the essential point that the body (the liver) intentionally makes cholesterol and cholesterol is essential for body health.

Google Dr.Ron Rosedale's " exposing the cholesterol myth" a you tube video...only 9 minutes long. Very informative.

Understanding Cholesterol Jumps
Posted by Robin (Rural Va) on 01/03/2014

Help me understand this. I recently had labs done, and had a 70 point jump in cholesterol since my last labs about a year ago. It went from 190 to 261. I don't have the breakdown, as it was a conversation with a nurse over the phone. I am 55 and just in menopause. I am currently not exercising, but during the spring and summer I walk 3 to 6 miles a day. I am not totally sedentary; I am a special education teacher, and walk from one end of the campus to the other several times a day. I recently lost 20 lbs, and am not overweight. I eat a fairly natural diet. However, I did have the labs done during the holiday when I had been eating fudge, and other holiday goodies. Would this cause the difference?

I have just been looking over the Cholesterol pages, and these are the things that I am already doing: Eat oatbran with EVCO every day. I take niacin 1,000, everyday. I take fish oil, and Evening Primrose Oil. I cook only with Coconut oil, and don't even have vegetable oils in my house. I sweeten my oatbran with BSM. I drink green tea at least once a day; any more than that makes me feel dehydtrated. I never drink sodas.

About two weeks ago I did the gall bladder cleanse with Olive Oil and lemon juice, and epsom salts, due to a pain under my ribs on right side that lasted two days.

I feel like I am doing pretty good for my age. I do have sciatic pain, and have just started having hot flashes, and have had insomnia for about 10 years.

I have read the comments that we should not be worried about our cholesterol. My concern is why the increase when I am already doing things that should prevent it. These things I do were not done to prevent high cholesterol, but for overall health.

Dr. wants me to go on a lowfat diet and recheck in 6 months. I feel I am already on a lowfat diet, except for the this holiday period. Any suggestions or explanations would be appreciated.

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Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 12/08/2013

Happy and Prioris: You are right. A good liver makes good cholestrol that stays in suspension. A bad liver makes bad cholestrol that oxidizes and solidifies.

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Posted by Happy (Up The Creek In Wv, Usa) on 12/07/2013

Prioris from Fl: You are correct. The clinical trial that is used to falsely assert that high cholesterol is connected to heart problems actually proves that there is no such correlation. Anyone can read the study and see this fact for themselves. The cholesterol mania was just a fear campaign. A conspiracy to defraud the public. A treason against the citizens.

You are entirely correct to point this out to anyone who is worried about their cholesterol numbers.... Even if they do not appreciate it now, they hopefully will later, when they are able to see more clearly what kind of mental prison the conspirators have put them in. Carry on.

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Posted by Rick Davis (Va) on 12/04/2013

To Jillery: Thank you for the suggestions. I had heard of using metamucil but had forgotten it. I have lecithin granules, Been using them as a thickener, but will start adding it to my foods.

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Posted by Rick Davis (Va) on 12/04/2013

Why trying to get my cholesterol levels down? Because I want to, that's why. Why do you bother to ask? You don't see any problem with cholesterol, so you don't want to lower it. I do want to lower mine. I don't owe you a reason why. If you don't have anything to offer, why bother posting?

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Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 12/04/2013

Why is taking down your cholesterol important? Studies have shown that cholesterol level does not make one more or less prone to heart attacks. People with low cholesterol get heart attacks as much as people that have high cholesterol.

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Posted by Jillery (North America) on 12/04/2013 88 posts

I brought down my cholesterol from 298 to 178 within a month by: taking 2T of metamucil and 2T of granular lethicin 2-3 times a day, also a few good multi vits/minerals-- my doc was amazed but she only focused on the metamucil and not the lethicin. Hope this is a help to you.

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Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 12/03/2013

Many people come to earth clinic after they realize the side effects from Statin drugs. Still the lies about cholesterol and heart disease are still lodged deeply in their minds. If they take the time to research heart disease, they will realize that addressing the cholesterol does not address heart disease. They will also realize that they wasted their time and neglected more important things regarding heart disease and health. They will also realize that you can eat as much cholesterol as you want and still have a healthy heart.

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Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 12/04/2013 2085 posts

Rick: If all these good things you're doing isn't working, you may want to try a gallbladder cleanse as gallstones will not allow the liver to properly metabolize cholesterol. If you do remove a bunch of gallstones (which are mostly ldl cholesterol accumulated), you can expect a significant drop in ldl. After this, take triple strength lecithin to prevent any more cholesterol gallstone formation.

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Posted by Allie (California) on 12/03/2013

Hi Rick,

I started out taking a multi vitamin, then added 2000 mg of C, then L-Lysine, then Glucosamine/Chondroiin. I was up to 9 pills a day. I was spending a ridiculous amount of money... and I didn't feel really any different.

Try using ONLY extra virgin cold pressed coconut oil!! Take a moment and look up all the wonderful health benefits of coconut oil, as this will help you determine the best way to use it for you (really quite amazing stuff) It is wonderful to cook with, so your wife can start with coconut oil in the pan. you can also use a tsp. in your coffee every day! It will lower your bad cholesterol and raise your good. It is also wonderful for keeping your body hydrated from the inside out (or from the outside in as it makes for a wonderful skin moisturizer). Sometimes its good to wipe the slate clean and start with one thing at a time (unless it's prescribed by your doctor) Try it for at least 3 weeks. see if you notice a change (other than the extra change in your pocket! ) Please check with your doctor. Banana's are also sometimes good for leg cramps (potassium)

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Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 12/03/2013

Rick: Eating cooked regular food and taking supplements is what I did. The solution is eating the best foods the right way. I take the concentrated powders because they are easier and less costly. They can be purchased on the internet. I take raw honey, whole dried cane, date, and palm sugars, and activated barley for carbs. I take 20g coconut oil, 30g black chia seeds, and 1tsp sesame oil for fats. I take hawaiin spirulina, chlorella, nondefatted dessicated liver, raw cocoa powder, and nondenatured whey isolate for protein. I take absorbable colostrum, skate liver oil, 90, 000hu cayenne, cold processed maca, yucca powder, high mountain hand harvested cold water extracted shilajit, 17 mushroom extract blend from Washington, thai fish sauce that has been fermented for 2 years, organic tomato paste, home brewed water kefir, and vanilla bean for special goodies.

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Posted by Rick Davis (Va) on 12/03/2013

Hello. I am trying to reduce my bad cholesterol. I am taking CoQ10, vit E, niacin, vit D3, glutathione and the occasional red rice yeast. The rry dose says 1 gelcap 3X/day. I take 1 and get a cramp in my calf. If I take 1/d, the cramp lingers and I get a cramp in both feet. So, I take 1 only every several days. I eat mainly vegetables, but do not have 100% control over my diet--my retired spouse does the cooking and starts off by putting oil into a frying pan, only then figureing out what will be cooked. I leave the house at 5 am and get home at 7 pm, so not much time to prepare food myself or even shop for fresh items. I do the best I can, eating oats every day, an apple a day, raw carrots with my lunch, etc. Should I be doing anything else? I was on statins years ago and still feel like I have foot pain caused by statins, That's why the glutathione. Please tell me what else to do.

Posted by Elaine (Al) on 11/21/2013

Thanks, Timh. I eat what I consider a pretty good diet. I have chickens and have had them tested for salmonella, so I can eat raw eggs and generally eat 2/day. I also was given a gift of 1/2 an organically grown, grass-fed steer for Christmas, so have high quality angus beef to eat (I don't eat much red meat). I eat lots of avocados and use coconut oil exclusively when cooking, try to use lots of herbs and spices (ginger, garlic, tumeric, etc) in my foods. Not a lot of fresh veg's b/c they are now out of season and my local farmer's market has closed, so mostly frozen. thanks for the assist, will start bs & empsom salts baths. I ordered a seperate coQ10 and glutathione and will commence when they arrive. Thanks again.

Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 11/21/2013 2085 posts

Elaine: Swanson Foods has one, as well as Vitacost L-Glutathione Plus CoQ10 -- 250 mg - 60 Capsules. This will definitely up your energy and help detox any residual statin metabolites, but do also try the other recommends I posted previously as it seems you will need more than just gth/coq10. Eat 2 or three Brazil nuts for selenium to boost the gth/coq10.

Are you vegetarian? Do get some quality protein in the diet.

Something else that will definitely help straightway, is a good hot bath w/ 1/2 cup baking soda and 1/2 cup epsom salt. This is very good detox and muscle helper. Potassium is also recommended to improve the electrolyte status which helps the neuromuscular action.

Hoping on some good news from you.

Posted by Elaine (Huntsville, Al) on 11/20/2013

Timh, thanks for your advice. I did a search but could not locate a coQ10 that includes glutathione. Is there one? I pretty much use iherb. I can do both supplements. I'm so tired of being in constant pain, not severe but enough to slow me down. Thanks again.

Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 11/20/2013 2085 posts

Elaine: Try Glutathione/CoQ10 combination for best results which should help w/ energy but for the ldl do take the red yeast rice twice daily plus a flush free niacin like niacinamide or inositol hexaniacinate 1 500mg 2x day. For the muscle loss take BCAA's and or Creatine (C also enhances muscle energy production very effectively).

Also, I have had very good results w/ L-Methionine 500 or 1000mg daily for fat burning. DMG works very well w/ Methionine for energy production and fat burning plus boosted detoxification.

You may also want to consider supplementing Coconut oil to enhance metabolism; lots of good reports on c.o. here. A good source of natural Iodine like Kelp will help metabolism by enhancing thyroid function. L-Tyrosine 500 mg daily will also boost thyroid and energy production. High ldl is almost always a side effect of low thyroid.

Posted by Gavin (Northland, New Zealand) on 11/19/2013

I read after a good try out with lemons that after a few weeks the first sign of a zit or boil, is the sign to knock it off. I started to get some boils forming for no good reason. Otherwise the results were excellent. In fact I had never felt better.

Posted by Elaine (Huntsville, Al) on 11/19/2013

TimH: If I take CoQ10 for relief of pain from statins I took years ago, then I have another question. My ldl is still high, so can I take red yeast rice w/ coQ10 in it and then more CoQ10 for more relief? I still need to reduce that ldl, but I started getting a cramp in my calf from the rry, so stopped it. It has coQ10 in it, but I'm still in pain from the zocor. Thanks.

Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 11/18/2013


There is a Yahoo Group for people who have permanent damage from statin drug use. Most of the people only took statins for a short period of time, yet sustained significant permanent damage that has altered their lives. Most were very active, health conscious people who are now living with severe muscle damage, autoimmune diseases and memory problems. These adverse reactions are usually not reported by our doctors, so the number of people affected is not known. The group can be found here:


Someone at this site may be able to give advice. Those who have seen doctors specializing in statin damage have reported they take a certain kind of absorbable CoQ10 and high doses of fish oil. Best wishes.

Posted by Marie (New York) on 11/18/2013

Hi, would this work for gallstones or gallbladder. I have been drinking two lemons a day and using olive oil since I haven't done a flush... some days pain is there and some days it is not..

Maybe I am drinking too many lemons. I watched a video from Andrias Moritz once and he said to drink two whole lemons a day... no water...for an extended amount of time..

How does one know if you are detoxing...

Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 11/19/2013 2085 posts

Never take a statin without also taking CoQ10. Never take CoQ10 without also taking Selenium and Vit-E as these work best together. Muscle stiffness and soreness is a result of the statin depleting what little CoQ10 the body makes, and muscle wasting is the results. From personal experience, the best form of CoQ10 is combined w/ Glutathione. To help rebuild muscle eat quality meat or supplement Branch Chain Amino Acids (BCAA) and/or Creatine.

Dr Sinatra recommends splitting the statin tabs in half and in some cases quartered so as to reduce the bad side effects, while modifying the diet and supplementation.

Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/18/2013

Hello Elaine,

Yes, the problems are from the statins...or so assume. Good you got off when you did.

Suggestion on dealing with the continuing problem, eg neck etc.

To get the statins out of you, cleanse. I mean deep cleanse. There are different cleansers The best to get to the cellular level, lemon drink while fasting. Six lemons cut in half and squeeze a half in purified glass of water. Twelve glasses of that a day; so six lemons daily...for ten days. By the third day, you'll be visiting rest room every thirty minutes; the lemon will clean out down to the cellular level. Also you'll knock out any kidney stones you happen to have.


Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 11/18/2013

I would go to a good chiropractor to look at stiff neck problem. Stiff neck (along with headache) is one of the symptoms of chronic meningitis. Usually stiff neck due to cold from open window will go away.

There are all sorts of things for neuropathy but I would consider experimenting with seanol given that it addresses many other things besides the neuropathy. Maybe you luck out and it addresses other things. It is a more powerful and long lasting antioxidant than astaxanthin also but I would keep taking the astaxanthin also.

Posted by Elaine (Huntsville, Al) on 11/18/2013

About 5 years ago, my dr put me on zocor for cholesterol. I was on it for about 6 months and stopped because I developed neck pain--like a stiff neck, but never got better. A short time after that, my gastro dr put me on something for my ulcer, I don't recall the name, but the neck pain increased and so I got off it pretty quickly. I still have the neck pain--I take a good bit of astaxanthin for the pain, which helps but I still have the pain. During all this time, I also had pain in both large toes. This pain is not in the joint (not gout), but lengthwise up the center of the largest part of the toe. I'm thinking peripheral neuropathy? Comments, anyone? Do you think this is still from the statins? What should I do? I take the astaxanthin, 4 mg 4x/d, d3, calcium/magnesium tablet, and a multivitamin daily. Can someone ever overcome the longterm effects of statins? Thanks.

Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 11/08/2013

Thanks for clarification regarding pulmonary fibrosis.

The things I have come up with and you probably already know about:

  • N-Acetyl L-Cysteine
  • Systemic enzymes
  • Nebulized Glutathione
  • Serrapeptase
  • Acetyl Glutathione

I would think you'd want to take the enzymes probably 3 times a day

Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 11/08/2013 2085 posts

Prioris: Thanks for your feedback. A little more detail may help.

A 20yr undiagnosed atypical pulmonary fibrosis has left me w/ a terribly toxic body and almost dead on more than one occasion despite all efforts to regain health. Pulmonary Fibrosis is notorious for reducing the ability of the body to produce Glutathione. I have only recently began homemade oral liposomal gth w/ good results, but there is obviously much more to do. Also, as for antioxidants, I am going to create a mixture of several fat & water soluble anti's for liposomal encapsulation which, in theory, should provide the antioxidant protection I have not been able to achieve by standard oral.

The substantial decrease in diarrhea from only 2 days on Statin is a definite tip on some type fatty acid metabolic disorder. The Red Yeast Rice should produce the same effect w/ no bad side effects. Inhibiting the cholesterol in the liver seems to be preventing the overgrowth of the myco in the gut.

From what I've read, a severe mycoplasma infection may take up to 6 or more months Doxycycline and may need rotating w/ other cycline antibiotics. I tried liposomal berberine w/ no noticeable improvements. Borax baths help. Colloidal Silver nebulized kills the mycoplasma from the lungs for maybe 2 or 3 wks, then repeat.

I have taken systemic enzymes in the past and am now taking Nattokinase 2 caps daily.

Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 11/07/2013

Statin drugs will damage ones health over the long term.

High cholesterol is a manufactured health problem. It makes no sense why you should be concerned about cholesterol. High cholesterol may be a tip off that you have blood coagulation problems. I have had cholesterol near the 400 range for over 50 years. I'm not the least bit concerned about it because I know it is an imaginary problem.

Assume that you have mycoplasma, you could try erythromicin, borax and other things.

You would also have blood coagulation problems. I would strongly suggest fibrolytic enzymes like nattokinase and serrapeptase since it addresses the core problem. Experiment to see what combination is the best.

You do not need to take the Red Rice since it isn't addressing the core problems.

You talk about oxidative damage then why not take astaxanthin. it is a very powerful anti-oxidant. Take at least 8-12 mg per day

Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 11/07/2013 2085 posts

Allow me to add some more info on the ongoing Statin discussion.

Several months ago my almost lifelong normal cholesterol reading spiked considerably as well as triglycerides. Dr. gave me free samples of a Statin. Being cautious and very much not wanting to even give them a try, I asked for a prescription for Cholestramine (a fiber powder supplement). Unfortunately the grand marketing scheme must bow to the taste and fancy of the populace so they add sweeteners and such (which irritates my stomach). Last thurs I go back to Dr. and check high on the C and very high on the T once again.

Sure I buy into the theory that cholesterol is good and even necessary BUT, like sugar, too much is dangerous; so I try half an 10mg Atavastatin and 8 hrs later the other half. Next day take one tab.

At this point it is necessary to note that I am going thru extreme oxidative stress induced by free radicals that's been prominent factor in a lengthy environmental disease. Prior to the Statin, I was rendered almost non functional and was in need of personal assistance. I spent most time in bed and lost almost all appetite and energy ... until I began the statin. Three, four days later I am very much improved and completely out of the semi crisis situation of which I had plumbed. I need to also state that I show many obvious symptoms of a mycoplasma infection that could be considered somewhat severe.

OK, that's the good news. The Statin seems to have gone a long way toward correcting a fatty acid metabolic disorder complicated by a mycoplasma infection (as we know mycoplasma feeds on cholesterol). I witnessed a substantial decrease in chronic diarrhea the two days of Statin.

Now for the bad news. I also noticed a marked increase in my Peripheral Neuropathy (lower extremities). After only a few minutes of research, I find that Statins do cause P.N. in a small percentage of the population. And if that isn't enough, I also find the same small (5%) suffer pulmonary fibrosis (of which I have some obvious symptoms but no diagnosis for almost 20 yrs.). My P.N. seems some better today so I am not fearing anything permanent here, as I only took 2 tabs.

Anyway, I am going to give the Red Yeast Rice a trial as there seems some big potential for correcting the fatty acid metabolic disorder and inhibiting mycoplasma (especially in the liver and gut) as well as lower the cholesterol and triglycerides.

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Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 11/05/2013

Dave: Everybody likes you because you are a nurturer who gives everybody emotional support. There is overwhelming observational evidence that sugar from fruit, nectar, and cane, through the mechanism of fructose, increases the the respitory quotient more than starch, oil, or protein. Butterflys that migrate from Canada to Mexico get all their fuel from the sugar in nectar. So do the hummingbirds that fly across the Carribean. An 80/10/10er who weighs 120 lbs. and runs 6 miles daily gets all her fuel from the 10lbs. of fruit she eats. The east africans have the 20 best times in the marathon. They get most of their fuel from corn gruel. Corn has way more fructose than other grains. Raw sugar is way better than cooked starches.

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Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/04/2013

To Mike 62,

On your response re the essential uses by the body of carbon dixoide...

first I'm really interested in your analysis of fructose.

Unless I misunderstand you, it is your understanding that fructose (as in refined fructose or as in fructose from eating fruits?) ...I assume you mean in the form of the refined sources, say out of sucrose which is 50 percent fructose, which is why you say refined fructose is less glycemic active than glucose? And you mention a number of other positives of fructose (again I'm assumeing fructose as in right out of a coke?). Because I've read lots of authorities, just recently Mercola who blast refined sugar, esp high fructose corn syrup and just refined fructose...He nearly calls fructose in refined for a poison.

So, I must be mistaken somewhere. I defer to you at all times on these tech points. But help me follow the fructose analysis.

And then I have a few questions about carbon dixoide and enzyme functioning which is one of the many things you explain that carbon dixoide accomplishes in the system.

Thanks for your scholarship.


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Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 11/04/2013

Dave: You always stretch the intellect, thinking of clues and angles, becoming an enlightened knowledgable wise man. Dissolved mainly as bicarbonate, carbon dioxide has a myriad of functions, mainly by way of forming carboxylated adducts with other macro molecules. As with other enzymes that employ biotin as a cofactor, pyruvate carboxylase uses carbon dioxide as a substrate to activate oxaloacetate. The enzyme catalyzing the first step of fats, acetyl CoA, uses carbon dioxide to form malonyl CoA. The formation of malonyl CoA inhibits fatty acid oxidation, promotes glucose oxidation, and insulin sensitivity. Blood clotting proteins, for their activity, require carboxylation of their glutamate residues. Fructose increases carbon dioxide by raising energy generating metabolism, more so than starch, oils, or proteins. Fructose activates the enzyme complex PDH. Fructose reduces the levels of the proinflammatory peptide leptin. Fructose keeps the voltage-gated calcium channels open, required for the secretion of insulin containing granules from B-cells of the pancreatic islets. Fructose, compared to glucose, decreases insulin 4:1 and lowers blood fatty acid concentrations. Fructose levels in the blood rarely rise more than 1% even after ingesting high doses. Fructose is converted to glucose, glycogen, lactate, and carbon dioxide.

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Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/04/2013

Hello Prioris,

I really enjoy your informative posts.

You had on on one of my fav subjects...cardio issues and sugar consumption relationship, which you deny is, in fact causative; sugar has nothing to do with cardio (MI) problems you said. You also state that sugar consumption is about the same as around 1900.

What? No. I mean NO. How about an increase per capita from 40 pounds a year to 130 pounds a year.

Great charts and lots of information on per person concumption on "Daily Health Posts, Feb 13, 2013" ... there has been an explosion of sugar consumption especially with the advent of soft drinks.

I started reading about this huge consumption explosion about 35 years ago in the book, Sugar Blues.

And after much of my life eating too much sugar (ice cream at night) and getting me to pre diabetic condition, and seeing my dad die from diabetic complications, this subject is very serious in my analysis of the explosion of diabeties in America. I hope you do not believe that sugar has nothing to do with diabeties.

You correctly note that heart clotting is a recent phenomenon and it is. There is no corrolation you say because sugar intake is the same for the past 100 or so years. You are totally wrong about consumption but corrolation does not prove causation. You are correct about that. My belief is that the refining of grains has depleted our food of its anti clotting effectiveness; esp the loss of natural Vit E.

Loss of Vitamin E said the Doctors Shute and Shute (MD doctors who were brothers from Canada) who wrote extensively on this subject during the '50s is the cause of the increase in cardio problems. So I actually think you are correct in a way...sugar may not be THE causative reason for cardio problem but it may be one of the biggest reasons there is inflamation and oxidation in the veins and arteries because there is not enough E to neutralize the sugar (E acts as an anti oxident.)

And finally, there has been a change in the type of sugar we eat today compared to a hundred years ago; then it was much more raw in nature; more cane was present...fiber whereas today it is pure sugar. And the way sugar today is consumed has 50 percent fructose which impacts the liver much more profoundly than glucose alone. Glucose calories impact at only 1 out of about 27 calories on the pancreas where fructos is the entire caloric impact on the pancreas. This is much more glycemic impact than we would have see 100 years ago.

In other words, sugar has changed in quality as well as quantity.

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Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/03/2013

Greetings Mike 62 from Denver,

Well, next to "Ted" you are the best technical guru we have on EC...I love to read your explantion of interactions and relationships. So your compliments are expecially valued since they come from you.

Your latest post discusses relationships between carbon dioxide reduction and the "AGES" formation, for instance. That carbon dioxide is a key issue is confusing to me and I've wondered about that especially in light of the good that nitric oxide is supposed to do for us. And just as that inter relationship is confusing to me so also is the relationship between H2O2; supposedly good for us but if we have lots of extra oxygen then isn't that a set up for extra oxidation?

I believe I know what all the nutrients/molecules that you mention do ... sort of...but how they inter relate is still maze-like to me. Just recently I've been re studying how the heart works...the kind of thing we all studied in basic biology. I just keep on being amazed; four valves? Really? And the right side sends the blue blood to the lungs and it comes back into the left atrium bright red laden with oxygen to ultimately be released by other values just in precise rhythm, some opening while some are closing and then the arteries take the blood to the upper body including brain and some to the lower body, trunk and legs, and it all goes non stop, without rest, 24/7 for up to 120 years or so (possibly), about 5, 000 beats an hour, and well over 100, 000 beats in a full day all run by an electrical system...but no batteries are needed. And the veins that return the blood to the magic pump are so different from the arteries. That pump is unlike all other muscles in the body and my little study is just the surface of the intricies going on. There are little devices on the valves that keep them in the shape they need to be, for instance.

Just a month ago I dedicated myself to studying the lympth system. Mercy. That too is so very complicated. I'd refer anyone interested to just Wikipedia the lymph system and be ready to "be amazed." The more I study, the more I realize that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made."

Back to your last post. I read and re read and think I followed your interactions. The carbon dioxide as I said is still throwing me. So please be patient with my non technical mind and help me understand how CO2 helps the body...because its DECREASE is a crucial factor in "AGES" creation...right? And how Hydrogen Peroxide is not a super oxidizer...and how nitric oxide inter relates in the metabolic process. Looking forward to being educated.

Your student,


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Posted by Beberobozo ( New York) on 11/03/2013

I am 59 years old female and you would think a doctor would check for plaque in the arteries or do that new test for plaque instead of many invasive tests. I have high blood pressure and taking meds and some other alternative things but doctors never want to get at the root of it.. It could be so many things but why not rule out some things and all. They do blood work but never finding root causes. I am assuming its to sell medication.. what are your thoughts?? Thank YOU.

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Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 11/03/2013

Dave: Half the time you are interesting and half the time you are interested and all the time you are an open minded intellectual. Were everybody like you the world would be a better place to live. Cross-linked proteins accumulate, the turnover of proteins decrease, the synthesis of proteins is impaired, and the oxidation of fat, results in less carbon dioxide being produced, thereby creating the conditions for high rates of ages formation. Energy production diminishes due to the accumulative damages incured to mitochondria protein complexes. Carbon dioxide is a protective factor that prevents the above mentioned processes from occuring. The amount of carbon dioxide produced to the amount of oxygen consumed is the resiratory quotient. Sugar respiration produces the highest RQ. The stress metabolism, in stark contrast, wastes carbon dioxide. Fructose generates more heat and produces more carbon dioxide than starch, protecting glycation labile amino acids and lipids, staving off the initial step in ages formation.

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Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/03/2013

Again to Beth from Atlanta:

Quick follow up ... just this morning Dr. Mercola's latest newsletter (November 3, 2013) considers the superiority of the derivative of CoQ10 which is ubiquinol on LDL oxidization. He asserts that a hundred studies say ubiquinol is more bio available than CoQ10 and he is especially worried about the millions of people on statin drugs. Someone on Earth Clinic (a poster I mean) got me on Dr. Mercola and he has excellent articles and information.

In the November 3 article on ubiquinol he discusses how ubiquinol is carried by the LDL shuttle (I discussed in my first post to you how the LDL and HDL are protein shuttles to carry cholesterol within the body, and the "shuttles" were not bad at all but in fact are essential to health; and that the only thing bad is if they "stick" to the walls of a tacky vein or artery.)

If the LDL sticks to the wall of the veins for instance, just as anything might stick to the vein, then if it oxidizes and inflames, you've got the beginning of cardio problems, including strokes as well as the blokage itself which would impact the heart. A stroke is a piece of plaque broken off a formation of the same and getting to the brain.

The point I'm making on your issue of cholesterol is: Take ubiquinol to help neutralize the oxidizing effect because the ubiquitol "rides" on the LDL to get to its cellular destination. So, says Mercola, ubiquitol has the unique ability to stop a particular kind of oxidization...that of "stuck" LDL. And again, ANY nutrient, oil, sugar .... anything can oxidize and inflame...the essence of cardio problems. But as you fortify with the ubiquitol don't forget the Vitamin E (natural not synthetic). The E is your underlying heart protector.

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Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 11/03/2013

sugar is not cause of heart disease

"The interesting thing is that most cases of heart disease in the twentieth century are of a form that is new, namely heart attack or myocardial infarction—a massive blood clot leading to obstruction of a coronary artery and consequent death to the heart muscle. Myocardial infarction (MI) was almost nonexistent in 1910 and caused no more than 3, 000 deaths per year in 1930. Dr. Paul Dudley White, who introduced the electrocardiograph machine to America, stated the following during a 1956 American Heart Association televised fund-raiser: "I began my practice as a cardiologist in 1921 and I never saw an MI patient until 1928." By 1960, there were at least 500, 000 MI deaths per year in the US. Rates of stroke have also increased and the cause is similar—blockage in the large arteries supplying the brain with blood." http://www.examiner.com/article/american-heart-assassination

In recent studies, it was found that the so called "bad" cholesterol became more useful as people aged.

The amount of sugar consumed by the population hasn't changed much since 1900. Sugar has been demonized for a long time. Moderate consumption of sugar is not a problem. If I make a large lemon meringue pie, I only use around 110 grams of sugar. If I eat half the pie today, I only am eating 55 grams of sugar which is way less than average. People don't have to give up sweet things like pies, cake and ice cream since they generally don't contain a lot of sugar. Ideally, using non refined cane sugar may be even more healthier.

Telling people to give up sugar is just silly. There may be other health conditions it may be more relevant in but heart disease is not one of them. People can experiment with their diet to see what effect it has on them.

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Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 11/02/2013

Dave: 10g hawaiin spirulina, 5g chlorella, 10g non defatted dessicated liver, 30g black chia seeds, 150g raw organic buckwheat flour, 30g raw organic cocoa powder, 5g absorbable colostrum, and 10g raw whey isolate gives me 67g raw protein. The biological value ranges from 160 for the whey isolate to 50 for the buckwheat. I am always glad to assist all the caring people at admirable E.C.

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Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/02/2013

Hello Beth from Atlanta,

Re: your concern about cholesterol

Good News! The "medical/drug industry" has propogated a myth about cholesterol. The FACT is that cholesterol is absolutely necessary for health in the human body. The Good News is that you do not have to be concerned about cholesterol levels. In fact, if you want to think of it this way, if the Doc tells you that you have "hight cholesterol" just respond..."That's GOOD. Got to have that cholesterol. Both HDL and LDL. High cholesterol is good for me."

The truth is:

Cholesterol is made by the liver and transported in "shuttles" out of the liver (protein suttles) called LDL and after the body uses the cholesterol which was carried by the LDL protein box cars for proper body functioning (especially the brain needs cholesterol) then HDL shuttles carry the used cholesterol back to the liver for reprocessing.

The test that is performed on us by the industry ... the test that gives us cholesterol levels is a measurement not of the cholesterol level in our body but of the "shuttles"....and 95 percent of the folks who just read that think I must be mistaken:

So here is the youtube to read the MOST informative 9 minute analysis of the truth I've come across. Google: "Dr. Rosedale cholesterol youtube" and you'll find his 9 minute video.

Here is one of the points in this amazing video: The tests for cholesterol given to us is not measuring cholesterol but rather the "shuttles" which are not the cholesterol itself. The cholesterol tests are giving you "shuttle" reading, not the cholesterol/fat reading. Really....look at the Rosedale video.

There is some argument that very small cholesterol (which is not measured by 99 percent of all cholesterol tests) could be a source in "sticking" to the "gap junction" in the lining of the arteries thereby oxydizing and inflaming to produce ultimately blockage/plaque. But the real culprit is not the small ldl, says Dr. Rosedale, (overcome by proper diet of good raw foods) ... the real culprit is SUGAR ... good old deadly white sugar.

The effort, therefore, to make people afraid of LDL levels is totally misplaced...we MUST have LDL suttles to carry cholesterol throughout our bodies...I say MUST have it...or we will see a collapse of the body system. The rise in dementia in the last twenty years is likely due to a rise in the use of statin drugs.

Statin drugs keep the liver from producting cholesterol; and remember cholesterol is good for us. The whole effort to 1. Measure cholesterol is at best a misunderstanding of what is actually being measured (remember the cholesterol reading is NOT a cholesterol reading...it is a "shuttle" reading...LDL and HDL are NOT cholesterols) and 2. the body must have cholesterol to function. We will die without cholesterol.

So how do we keep the blockages from taking place? Isn't the probem fats? No...

Well, remember, the biggest culprit is ...again-sugar. So break the sugar habit and the sugar related cravings.

I thought I'd never get rid of the sugar cravings until I understood that the hypothalymus is the key to telling the body what to do relative to metabolism; In one day I ended my cravings. I used in the morning on an egg, olive oil and no sugar at all in the morning. For lunch I eat anything but with a teaspoon of olive oil somewhere in the mix and again at night a good oil, such as grape seed oil. No sugar at night. The next day you'll find your cravings are gone. Repeat the "good oil" use every day. The good oil can be used on anything of course; not just on an egg. I usually drizzle a tablespoon of olive oil on a third piece of whole wheat bread and I've found I'm not hungry until lunch...no cravings. The hypothalymus will respond by not using the easy to metabolize sugar and instead will be told to use oils (like my body fat) instead. Cravings end.

So please look at the "Dr. Rosedale youtube" video. Only nine minutes and you will go away wondering how so many "smart" folks in the medical industry could be so incorrect about such a fundamental issue.

Now next in the "how to keep plaque from forming" analysis: God designed us to consume foods that give us natural Vitamin E...not synthetic E...and the E has the effect of making sure the lining of arteries and veins are not tacky, which allows plaque formation if they are sticky. Even our blood can get think and sticky and E keeps that from happening. So if I get enough E, then the blood is thinned and not thick. Thus I do not need asprin. God made E to do that for us. And even if we get plaque formation, the E keeps inflamation at a minimum because E is an anti oxident. E also assists in oxygen carrying and thus helps all muscles (heart) to stay healthy. (Two big issues in cardio health: Plaque formation and oxygen delivery. A problem with either two can kill you.) I take 800 IUs daily of natural E. E has been milled out of most foods and soil depletion has taken it out of other sources; at least in the quantities we need. But at 800 IUs E is serving a theraputic function. That is, there is a longevity issue at high levels of E usage. So if you are not attempting such theraputic levels, a person should at least get 200 IUs daily. The natural E...NOT synthetic like you get at a drug store.


Cholesterol Testing
Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 11/02/2013

Hello Mike 62,

You mention the superiority of raw proteins as opposed to cooked; which do you use to get to the 10 percent of total intake? Thanks for your informative posts (all your posts are informative).


Cholesterol Testing
Posted by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 11/01/2013

Beth: Cells synthesize simple molecules in a 37 step process to make cholestrol. Total body content for your weight is 30g. Most ingested cholestrol is esterfied and poorly absorbed. Cholestrol intake in food has little, if any, effect on cholestrol levels. Cholestrol is required to maintain membranes, cell signaling, and provide insulation for more efficient conduction of impulses. Elevated levels of ldl, idl, and vldl are regarded as atherogenic. Resistan, a protein secreted by fat tissue, has been shown to increase production of these in liver cells, as do stress hormones. 85% of the food people eat is burned as fuel in the mitochondria. Good food makes clean energy. Bad food makes toxic by products like stress hormones and bad cholestrol. The best fuel is sugar from raw organic fruits. Fructose, not starch, is nessesary for cholestrol synthesis and the production of ubiquenol. I take the concentrates raw honey, raw organic whole dried cane juice, and raw organic buckwheat flour because they are more convenient and less costly. Nutritionists for world class athletes recommend taking carbs, oils, and proteins together 6 times a day in snacks rather than in 3 large meals. Raw proteins are much better than cooked. The proper ratio by weight is 85% carbs, 10% protein, and 5% oils. The proper ratio of oils is 50% saturated fat, I take coconut oil, 10% omega 3, 15% omega 6, and 25% omega 9.