MMS: The Miracle Mineral Supplement from Jim Humble

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Posted by Karmala (Ca, US) on 08/02/2014
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Warning

I didn't see anything posted about the warning from the FDA on using mms and the dangers with it. I always take their comments with a grain of salt, but this seems to be a serious matter. Thought I'd present it so that people have all of the information available.

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm228052.htm

Replied by Timh
(KY)
08/03/2014
2083 posts

We are also being warned about the many dangers of Marijuana, even though no one has ever overdosed as a direct consequence of using. No one has ever died from MMS.

Be warned, no one has ever died as a result of using these natural remedies!

Many, many people have died as a direct result of misuse or simply as directed use, of otc or prescription pharmaceuticals.

Replied by Oscar
(Syracuse, New York)
08/03/2014

Dear Timh, I am sorry to have to disagree with you about MMS. It is a chlorine bleach and is dangerous. You may not be aware of it but Jim Humble [ what an ironic name ] for a man who considers himself a God....Oscar

Replied by Timh
(KY)
08/03/2014
2083 posts

@Oscar: I have read two of Humbles e-books on MMS and have personally used it on & off for about 3 yrs. The "danger", to be specific, is the fact that CLO2 is a very powerful almost exclusive non-discriminatory anti-pathogen. A rapid house cleaning, one might say. CLO2 like O3 treatment causes major die-off. This is why Jim has always insisted that one must begin w/ small doses and slowly work up; same goes w/ H2O2.

I have had some temporary nausea and I always decreased the dose so that doesn't happen again. My standard dose is 8 drops. The chlorine taste & occasional nausea is enough to back one away from this substance. I also find H2O2 offensive so very rarely use it orally. Colloidal Silver and/or Lipo-C seems to be the least offensive and most effective natural antibiotics going.

As for character and alternative medicine advocates, read up on the escapades of Ed McCabe and compare to Jim Humble. These guys have endured persecutions for promoting oxygen therapy for the good of the general public w/ very little monetary gain (mostly book publications) for their contributions.

I also hate to disagree w/ you as it seems apparent we need to be helping each other out, what w/ all the problems and all, BUT I really don't see Jim Humble along w/ a Jim Jones type sociopath deceiving & leading potential hundreds or thousands of people to their death.

Replied by Oscar
(Syracuse, New York)
08/03/2014

Hi Timh, Well, just maybe low levels of chlorine bleach [ MMS ] can kill off said pathogens. But I would never say it is safe. Chlorine bleach kills ALL living cells including all human tissues. You have stated you have ongoing health issues including hepatitis C. My point being: If this MMS is so good at killing pathogens why do you still have hepatitis C ? And why all these other health issues ? The BHT will NOT work if you take MMS. I do see we have an entirely different take on all this. I like you but can never endorse treatments such as MMS and OZONE. In fact both OZONE and MMS will totally deactivate BHT. Both are powerful oxidizers and will render BHT useless....Oscar

Replied by Timh
(KY)
08/04/2014
2083 posts

@Oscar: It is well to put our thoughts to air and w/ any luck gain some ground and no feelings hurt. Wrestle it out in good faith and shake hands when the game is over, like any good athlete would do to the guys on the other team.

First, I stated that my mother contracted Hep-C and that I have very likely the Chronic Active Viral Hepatitis from Hep-B vaccine 20 yrs ago. As of lately, I am slowly making progress from severe environmental illness which has twice almost killed me. Heavy metals, parasites, and pathogens (viral/bacterial/fungal) as a result of very dysfunctional P-450 detox enzyme system plus very dysfunctional immune system. I take a foot spa every night fallowed by 2 oil pullings then 1 250mg BHT fallowed 15 min later w/ 3 caps Echinacea w/ good results. At some other time in between the BHT, I take Chanca Piedra also w/ good results. For me, it seems the BHT and Chanca work almost immediately so I never worry about anything that would negate these remedies later on. This method undoubtedly works for me, but may not for others, so not worth drawing any conclusions on.

Back to MMS. The bare facts. MMS is a lay term, pinned by Jim Humble, for Chlorine Dioxide. One must do kitchen chemistry of mixing Sodium Chlorite w/ Citric Acid to yield ClO2. Chlorine Bleach's chemical formula is Sodium Hypochlorite or NaClO. From Bleach, drop the sodium and add an oxygen and you have a very different molecule. This extra oxygen is what makes ClO2 much more powerful a germ killer and why I refer to it as another member of the Oxygen therapy group. Jim says that one molecule of ClO2 accepts 5 electrons from pathogens (ever how many are rotating around their mother nucleus). Immediately fallowing robbing these electrons, the nucleus becomes entirely unstable and literally explodes (thus the severe die-off reactions of nausea & vomiting the FDA warns of).

If you have time, try and download Jim's first book (I think it's a freebie) MMS Part 1 or Breakthrough: The Miracle Mineral Solution Of The Twenty First Century Pts 1&2 4th edition.

Replied by Oscar
(Syracuse, New York)
08/06/2014

Dear Timh, Well, I do NOT in any way pretend to be a person who knows much or anything about so called MMS. But it does seem to be the same thing I buy called chlorine bleach [ sodium hypochlorite ]. This stuff is so powerful I use it around my property to destroy large ant colonies. Hills of ants about 3 feet or more in diameter and about 1 foot high. I simply take a spade shovel and dig out a shovel full of the ant hill, then pour in 1 gallon of the chlorine bleach in and replace the dirt. That colony of ants is dead. I do not know how deep these ants dig in. Without a doubt this stuff will kill just about anything. Plants will not grow on an area so treated for about 1 year. A great, the best, way of dealing with large ant infestations. A local farmer told me about this. So it is great for killing ants. So I do NOT see how such a deadly compound can be safe to ingest. This stuff costs about one dollar a gallon at THE DOLLAR STORE....Oscar

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn.)
08/06/2014

HI U OSCAR, , , , , , , , , , first , let me say that I love you , but please don't comment on stuff that you have no clue. You can cause great harm to folks that don't know either. I am a Ch. E and spent 40 years in the paper industry bleaching pulp with both these compounds. One is Sodium or Calcium Hypo Chlorite or Clorox. The other is Chlorine Dioxide or MMS . They are two different compounds and have different chemical reaction effects on your body.

======OLE ROBERT HENRY========

Replied by Om
(Hope, Bc Canada)
08/06/2014

Hi, Robert Henry ---- MMS is a blessing for millions at low cost. Jim Humble appears to me as is his name. Just to think how many people are now free from malaria! I have had good response from MMS even though I do not take it daily. Especially my eyes and teeth.

It is worth researching and knowing the gov't hates Jim for what he does.

Om

Replied by Cindy
(Illinois, Usa)
05/17/2015
343 posts

It's nothing like "chlorine bleach". Which is why they use it in elemental chlorine-FREE (ECF) "bleaching" because what you're calling "chlorine bleach", which is sodium hypochlorite, is a bleaching AGENT and extremely nasty stuff which is why. "Bleach" isn't an element or chemical, it's an action or result of many things including sunshine, lemon juice/citric acid and hydrogen peroxide. Information about this kind of stuff is best not sought from buddies, politicians, pharmaceutical sector press releases or message boards. If you're not interested enough to explore it, why talk about it?

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn.)
05/18/2015

HI U CINDY, , , , , , , , , , please read my earlier post on this thread. Chlorine Dioxide is a far stronger oxidizer. What delayed its use in the paper industry was developing materials to handle it.

Lordy, you are dangerous. Chlorine gas will kill you in natural minute, but the world uses it to disinfect water. Knowledge is the secret. I can handle all these bleaches safely and did so for 40 years in industry. So take your own counsel and read up on the subject.

The FDA does not want you using MMS (ClO2) because it is too effective and too cheap. You messin with their income.

==========ORH===========

Replied by Paula
(Mississauga, Canada)
07/29/2015

if the FDA is saying it is bad than you KNOW it must be highly effective and beneficial.

Replied by Jim
(Roseburg, Oregon)
10/18/2015

MMS is not chlorine in any form.

If you don't want to use it then don't but misleading the readers here with false infomation is not helping us.

Maybe you ought to read the book or go go to jim humble's website and read.

Replied by Frances
(Cabarlah, Qld.)
10/20/2015

I would like to add that a Mr Friedman claims that he cured morgellons by using MMS as well as supplements and dietary measures.

Replied by Lynn
(Trussville, AL)
07/12/2021

Please go to www.theuniversalantidote.com for the MMS story and cures of many ailments....God's blessings and healings to all!


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Posted by Kathleen (Southwick, Ma., Usa) on 02/27/2013

Dear Ted, I love you and appreciate all the work you do for us out here. my query is: I would love to try MMS, but I know I can't because I have hashimoto's. I pray, maybe you stabilize it with iodine or something, as after 20 yrs of being told I'm depressed (insomnia and crying) I finally got a diagnosis (from a blood test) of two types of lyme disease and an active epstein barr virus. I knew I had osteoporosis, now I have cataracts and kidney stones. I had a bad case of the flu this year and a recurring sinus infection. the doctor has me on so many pills; probiotics, antibiotics, anti viral, anti fungus, vitamins, but things seem to be spiralling out of control. Bad brain fog and panic at times. I get sick sitting in a drafty room. I have brown age spots for many years now, lately, many more, especially if I'm in the sun. I'm only 58 (live in new england). I had to go on disability. with love from the heart. any advice? would like to live again. Sincerely, Kathleen

Replied by Louwrence
(Rustenburg, North West, South Africa)
02/28/2013

Hi Kathleen, Study THC oil on the net & medical marijuana, plenty of sites on the net.

Replied by Guruamrit
(San Francisco, Ca, Usa)
03/19/2013

Hi Kathleen from Southwick. I recomend you e-mail to Jim Humble's website and ask for a specific protocol for your case. They seem to have updated information on these kind of hard issues. I hope you do get in touch with them and don't give up. I am sure you'll find some if not a lot of benefit with MMS or CDS or one of the variations somehow if you follow the right protocol. But ask them directly, don't give up.. Warmly, Margarita


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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn Usa) on 01/21/2013

HI YOU GOOD PEOPLE DOIN, , , , , , , , ,

Are you aware that ClO2 is used in the paper induatry as a bleaching agent and made by the thousands of gallons at each mill? Some of you may reconize it as MMS. If you had this compound available to you....... How would you use it? Our gov shut down using Chlorine but Chlorine Dioxide is good. Notice that you can't use Chlorine to bleach pulp any more because it causes cancer , but it's good to go in your drinking water. If you want to figure out all this then bring up the novel Synagogue of Satan on the net. I raise this question because I can get the CLO2 but don't know how to use it for my health. I used it for 40 years in the bleaching of pulp. Without it you would be talking 70 brightness paper instead of 88. For you novices, that newsprint vs letter paper. Tell me how to use this straight ClO2. And I'll dance at you next wedding.

====ROBERT HENRY ======

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
01/22/2013
2083 posts

R.H., This may be a little off the Jim Humble recommendation, but this is a method I have used several times w/ good results. Make up a batch of Lemonade w/ limited sugar and limited Vit-C (no added C if possible). Make it kinda on the strong side. Simply add 4 drops Sodium Chlorite to a 4oz lemonade, wait 8 min then drink. You will smell and taste the Chlorine, but it's really not too bad at this low dose.

A 4 drop dose 2x daily is a good start, then slowly increase. I am rather steady @ 8drops (without nausea). I have lacked any kind of daily commitment w/ MMS, but I am convinced that it is all it's hyped up to be. It's a much more powerful oxidizer than H2O2, and the Chlorine atom that houses the O is something special. I always feel better and energized fallowing an 8 drop dose.

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile , Tn)
01/26/2014

HI U GOOD FOLKS DOIN, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

Not going to rain on Jim Hubbles parade because he found a way to get around our government's control of compounds that can keep you healthy. That compound is Chlorine Dioxide. When I started school in the 40's we had tablets which had a paper brightness of about 70. Now students write on paper in the 90's. Why is that? Well back in Paw Paw's day the paper industry had 3 chemicals to bleach pulp with. That was Chlorine , Sodium Hydroxide and Hypochlorite. That was it. In the early 50's the paper industry came up with Chlorine Dioxide and now folks would not accept less.

Let me draw this out a little . Before the Sulfate Process to dissolve lignin and make paper there was the sulfite process. It was an acid process and one paper mill could produce enough vanilla to supply the world. It never did because it would destroy all the folks making vanilla. One pulp mill today could make enough Chlorine Dioxide to supply the world and solve most of the world's health problems. Why is this not done? First, Big Pharma will not allow this to happen and neither will the AMA. Second behind Energy, is health in our economics. You cure health problems and you destroy our economy. That will not be allowed. Hey, Chlorine Dioxide would also be the end of supplements. Now you are between a rock and a hard place. You have just killed medicine and now you kill Earth Clinic. Yep it's that critical. But never fear, this will never be done. We will always need EC. Everyone looks at the little picture, this is the big picture.

Understand that this is radical, but hope it makes you think. Like I told my buddy Mike 62 in Denver. I am smart, but not so delightful.

=========OLE ROBERT HENRY ==============


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Posted by Kilihunebabe (Seattle, Wa) on 12/13/2011

Through research on H202, I came across Miracle Mineral Supplement which seems to have the same effect as H202 except it is chlorine dioxide. I didn't see any info on this site, which is my go-to for all things au naturale. Has anyone had any experience with this?


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Posted by Jean (Mitchell, Nebraska, United States) on 07/20/2011

I am wondering if anyone can tell me if it is ok to take mms in iced tea or in hot peppermint tea?


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Posted by Alicia (Orlando, Fl) on 04/26/2011

I wanted to post this since MMS is a subject on this site. I just want avoid people doing damage to themselves based on misguided information. This link is from a doctor that is pro-natural healing/supplementation, yet I take this page as a warning. Read and make your own decisions about MMS.

http://blog.imva.info/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)
04/27/2011

some ppl might be confusing MMS with MSM.

Replied by Joyce
(Joelton, Tn)
04/27/2011
510 posts

Hi, Sure hope no one is confusing MMS and MSG.

MSG is methylsulfanylmethane which is one of the best for traumatic arthritis (also helps with allergies and other things) is a substance our bodies require. It is also a great anti-inflammatory without the side effects of the NSAIDS (nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs).

MMS is short for mirace mineral supplement (proper name is sodium chlorite) and it allegedly kills just about all pathogens. If any of you have been reading up on the latest thing coming out of India (allegedly a "gene" that instantly converts all pathogens to drug resistant type. If this is so, we all know that some mad scientists have come up with a new way to reduce the world wide population which is said to be the new world order's greatest desire. Jim Humble claims that there is no way any pathogen can become resistant to MMS. Let's hope he is right and may I suggest that those of you who haven't taken a few precautions, immediately do so, because I fear the NWO is a lot closer than we'd like to think.

If you haven't already done so, get you a few gallons of 35% food grade H202, a few pounds of MMS, a supply of Lugol's solution (15%) or SSKI *saturated solution of potassium iodide). If you find a source of potassium crystals and online source says to mix your own SSKI, fill a brown bottle to about 60% full, next add distilled water to about 90% full, put cap on and shake vigorously for at least 2 minutes. You will know if you have a saturated solution because there should be a few undissolved crystals in the bottom of your bottle. A good supply of these and you should be set to handle many of your own problems without a doctor or hospital. Also suggested is getting a good book on identifi-cation, gathering and preparing herbals that grow in your local area. You will be surprised to learn that many of the best herbals plants are con-sidered as weeds.

PS. If you can't come up with a better way to remember whether you want MSM or MMS - my opinion is that MMS is much easier to pronounce or spell than MSM & maybe remembering to think "mommy, me sick" for MMS will tell you it is the one to use to wipe out an infection.

Anna
(Tx)
08/12/2020
8 posts

Joyce, it's MSM not MSG.

Replied by Nasira
(Springfield, Ma/usa)
04/30/2011

I think all people should read J Humble's new edition of the MMS book (the 3rd edition). It's on the internet somewhere as a download for free. The understanding and explainations for why it works are great. Do the research and follow the instructions (don't improvise) or drink or eat something you shouldn't then say it does not work or it made me sick... Because that is on you and not the product itself.... The propaganda is out there and TPTB want you under the knife or using drugs that will kill you... make the wise decisions in life.

Peace

Replied by Neb
(Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)
12/04/2011

I guess that it is easy to get sidetracked about anything. We are genetically disciplined to listen to what the good doctor is saying. However, now-a-day Doctor is just a copy of a copy of a copy of a Doctor from some 50 year old book together with a recipe for good business. If it hides the symptoms and it sells, then that is the way to go. There are countless testimonials from people all over the Globe saying how MMS helped them in many, many ways. Yes, maybe if you foolishly take 20 drops, have all kind of stomach problems and then again, take another 20 drops then I believe that something is wrong with you - not with MMS. Yes, maybe some people had bad experience because of so many different circumstances and I am sure that the Lady from Dr. Sedura's report died and was also taking MMS.

However, it does not say and is not in any way proven that she died from MMS intake. On the other hand, if someone would collect how many people died from using regular medications and procedures that are approved by FDA, it would probably take a better part of the year and more then ten thousand pages to write them all up. However, these are "well known and approved" way to "cure" different illnesses - although I have yet to find a drug that actually cures anything.

This is my take on the article that Alicia from Orlando, FL is pointing us to.

Replied by Grace
(Seattle, WA)
02/08/2015
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I thought it - MMS - was used in the hospitals to cure malaria? My doctor orders my hormone, I go to pick them up later. I asked my husband what one of the ingredients is in my hormones that I have never heard of? He, goes, that is antifreeze. I called the pharmacy to make with a natural substitute instead. Anyhow, MMS makes it hard for me to breathe. I'm hypersensitive, so hard to say if it is just me or a detox.


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Posted by Norman (Nelson, New Zealand) on 01/23/2010

Hi. I have just read a report in the Sunday Star Times Jan 24th, titled Miracle Chemical Dubbed a Danger. For those of us who are unqualified to comment, but read these articles with interest it appears to be similar to Hydrogen Peroxide in claiming what it can achieve. Is it the same as H.P. ?. It is certainly getting a bad press from a Doctor in Dunedin, New Zealand, Dr Paul Trotman. If you would like me to send you a copy of this report please forward your e-mail. I would appreciate your feedback on this.

EC: Link to the article if anyone is interested: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3257504/Miracle-chemical-dubbed-a-danger

Replied by Jeffism
(Madison, Wi)
04/22/2010

OK This is my first of many entries. I say this to anyone who is out there posting on this incredible site. Do not comment on side effects when you have not studied the use and protocols for the substance you are using. Heck, the first time I tried methylene blue I took 20 times too much and got a side effect. Of course, I did not post that because it was my bad math that caused the problem, not the substance. You are confusing others by posting side effects when your lack of knowledge is the problem. Study it first, no matter what it is.

The Doc you are mentioning did no study and is making childish assumptions. MMS, when used as directed by Mr Humble, is an exceptional healer in my life and thousands of others. He 100% deserves the Nobel prize for his work with Malaria and instead, you will see his products for water purification only in the next few months and he is at risk personally for doing nothing but good in the world. I have 80 inches of scars from Viet Nam and it so confuses me that ignorance and money still rule the planet.

Stay the course. Healing of most anything is out there. People have tried the MMS with the CC1 zapper from paradevices for HIV and succeeded.

Never give up. We deserve wellness in this life but, as a great healer once told me,

"The whole purpose of illness is to find the answer". Blessings to all....Jeff ism.

Replied by Patti
(Camlachie, Canada)
06/22/2010

To Jeffism: Very diplomatically put sir! I too have posted similar remarks as I grow weary of people jumping the gun.

Thank you!
Namaste


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Posted by Forestnfama (Rio De Janerio, Brazil) on 01/19/2010

I am very suspicious of those who are dissing mms. I have seen hundreds of cases where mms not only helped but be considered cured all kinds of ailments. And for sure there are people who the mms did nothing for. Probably karma, their negative thinking prevailed or they are just stooges for the big pharms or just idiots that dwell in the ditches of ignorance. There is not one case that I know of that mms cause great bodily harm, to the contrary, mms is a God send..

Replied by Patricia
(Camlachie, Canada)
06/22/2010

Forestnfama; I very much agree with you on why people would comment badly toward MMS. I would say it's because they are not educated properly in the use of it. All the information necessary for the proper usage of MMS is found at Jim Humbles site. He has everything there one needs to know about MMS1 and MMS2. MMS is exactly what it stands for MIRACLE MINERAL SOLUTION. It is a GOD send! People have been 'stuped' for so long by the fluoridation, hormones, pesticides, chemicals and soy in our foods, water and air that they haven't the 'sense' enough anymore to make the right decisions. This is exactly what Big Pharma wants. They need us stupid so we will follow their dogma like sheep. This gives them power over us,telling us how to live our lives, making up laws to suit their pocket books etc.! We need to wake up! Anyway, back to MMS :-)

My hubby and I began taking MMS almost a year ago and it is EVERYthing it's supposed to be. People forget the basic premise of this wonder mineral and that is it KILLS all pathogens! Any bacteria or virus in your body WILL BE eliminated from your body. However, people think that is all they have to do. You still need to ingest the right foods and take the right supplements to keep your immune system in peak performance. Once the serious ailments are taken care of, a weekly maintenance dose of MMS will keep you clear of low ph pathogens that are everywhere!

Here's to MMS and keeping it away from big Pharma!

Replied by Cheryl
(Ohio)
07/23/2018

Forestnfama You are a really negative person in that you believe what you want and cut people down who disagree with you. I tried MSM for several weeks (and yes I followed the directions) to cure a UTI infection that didn't want to go away. It did not make me sick, nor did it have any terrible side effects. But it didn't help me at all either. I tried it for a couple of weeks and then finally quit because I was tired of being sick. SO I was put on antibiotics and that cured it right up. MSM couldn't even get rid of the thrush the antibiotics gave me. And now I have an ear infection that is taking months to go away. I have been on MSM again for a couple of weeks and so far nothing. I am open or I wouldn't be trying it again. But so far nada.

EC: Hi Cheryl, the poster was referring to MMS, not MSM.


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Posted by Lettie (Brisbane, Queensland Australia) on 12/09/2009

I have a Barrett's Esophagus and have a lot of acidic juices coming back up and it hurts. I'm on Nexium 40mg 1 daily if I don't take it I suffer. I don't want to take it any more so tell me will MMS 2 help, I can't have any acid
base products. And will it help with weight loss as well? I'm in my very late 50's Thanks for your help


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Posted by Rob (Taunton, Somerset UK) on 03/27/2009

Has anyone got experience of Dr Hulda Clarks zappers compared to using MMS? Have you used both in conjunction or do you think one is better than another? Thanks. Rob

Replied by Pat
(Austin, TX)
03/31/2009

My Naturopath has zapped me several times for parasites and amoebas with subsequent muscle testing to see if they were gone. Trouble is that even though the muscle testing showed success, I was not feeling markedly better. I still seemed to have high sensitivity to salmonella and e-coli and was stuck in a cycle of recurring treatments and expensive supplements. I have been using MMS for a few weeks and am at 9 drops twice a day. So far some head fog and diarrhea (minor), but much less use of supplements and more tolerant of food bacteria. My problem with the zapper is I can't tell if it actually did anything.

Replied by PR
(Houston, Texas)
04/01/2009

Hello, I have used the zapper for a long time and can't say that I ever noticed any results. But I have to say from reading Dr. Clark's book that if you have a certain kind of parasite in your muscles you would almost have to wear the zapper 24 hours as they are hard to get rid of. Plus zapping is a surface electricity does not go deep enough to get all the parasites. Any how I got tired of zapping. I have friends who do MMS and are getting great results. I plan to try the MMS when I can have time to deal with some of the cleansing that goes with it. I have had good results using food grade Diatomaceous Earth. I would take 1 heaping teaspoon a day. I even got rid of a festation of mites in my body in 24 hours. Parasite seems to me to be a long term treatment. Probably because of our diets of picking them up again from those who prepare our food. My thinking is we should all do something done evasive to keep them under control. One thing I like about the MMS is it goes very deep in the body even into the brain and bones. From my understanding these areas are very hard places to reach.

Replied by Farrellyrainbow
(Traverse City, Mi)
03/02/2010

As to using Hulda Clarke's zapper. I find if I do her herbal protocol for getting rid of parasites and do not zap I get a cold. I think the zapper does have impact.

Replied by Chrisg307
(Springfield, Il, USA)
07/23/2010

I made my own zapper from Dr. Clark's book years ago and used it sporadically. But recently I had a major illness due to mold in my workplace HVAC system which created lumps, seemingly in my lymph system, the last of which were extremely painful. I left the job and started zapping and the lumps disappeared along with the lethargy I also experienced during this time. I mean it was an effort to open my eyes, just move my eyelids! But the lethargy vanishes after a zapping session. I firmly believe in zapping. At least for me it worked. I guess one could question whether just leaving the workplace might have resulted in lump disappearance, but I don't think so, just going by how I felt. Happy Healthy Trails to all of you.


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Posted by Helen (Austin, TX, USA) on 02/02/2009

A new remedy for me, MMS, (tell your search engine to look for "Jim Humble MMS" or "Miracle Mineral Supplement"). It's chlorine dioxide, used by municipalities for water purification. Used as directed by Jim Humble's protocol, it is said to kill viruses, bacteria, funguses, and parasites in your body without harming good bacterias in the gut or harming healthy tissue. Think a moment, how many diseases involve virus, bacteria, fungus, or parasite?

In just two days of using a very dilute solution of it as a mouthwash, my gums are healthy. Wow!

I'll let y'all know in a few weeks if it gets rid of my perpetual athlete's foot and my pre-cancer, etc. (Some are saying cancer is a by-product of a fungus. Kill the fungus, the cancer cells die.)

Replied by Vividlight
(Olympia, Wa)
08/09/2009

Are you using the solution directly on your feet, or taking internally as directed?


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Posted by Ann (Bastrop, TX) on 11/24/2008

Ted, I would be most interested in your view of MMS.

"This Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS for short) was discovered in 2000 by Jim Humble. At the time, he was using activated Oxygen water, which had been around for 80 years and consists of Sodium Chlorite in distilled water, to cure a large percentage of Malaria victims in Africa and South America, as well as eliminating parasites and numerous other weird diseases you often hear about from third world countries.


Jim was not satisfied with partial success and his research led him to discover that if you mix a citric acid solution (or lemon juice, or vinegar) with the Sodium Chlorite, and wait 3 minutes to activate, it would produce Chlorine Dioxide, perhaps the world%u02BCs best pathogen killer of all time. He had 100% cure rate of over 75,000 malaria patients and 388 out of 390 documented aids patients. It was achieved by using the MMS to create Chlorine Dioxide. Additionally, countless Aids, Hepatitis A, B and C cases were cured.


Not just improved - cured!

(from: http://talkswithmom.com/mms-for-dummies-excerpt/)


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Replied by Ted
(Bangkok, Thailand)
12/13/2008
383 posts

Actually the sodium chlorite solution, which is most commonly known as 25% solution is used by chemist as a disinfectant agent, but can be used internally to some extent. However, sodium chlorite can be regarded as a chlorine compound, even though Jim Humble denies this. The reason why I know it's a chlorine compound is that it tends to cause goiter and hypothyroidism in people with low levels of iodine anyway. It works simply that a chlorine displaces the iodine in the thyroid, as well as other glands, causing a goiter condition. However, a goiter condition can be caused by other compounds too, such as cyanide rich foods as apricot pits, apple seeds, and especially cassava, since it is used as a staple food in certain parts of Africa.

Whenever a solution sodium chlorite is made to react with acid, it forms chlorine dioxide. Now I know sodium chlorite and with acid such as citric acid, does this. And after it does react inside the body, the chlorine compounds continues to recirculate itself. This chlorine compounds doesn't degrade, which is why it is so effective against malaria, herpes, and other viruses I observed, as well as the common cold.

As for me I don't like them because it induces vomiting, at high doses or nausea, which is a huge draw back. What I can say good about sodium chlorite solution 25% with a couple of drops of 10 or 25% citric acid, for example is it's excellence in curing genital herpes. Although this is not used alone, mine you, I also need to prepare an acylcovir cream mixed with drops of 5% copper chloride solution to get a copper acylcovir, which is 20 or 30 times more powerful then ordinary acylcovir.

Because of this associated problem, the MMS needs to be reworked to incorporate iodine into it so it doesn't induce this issue. While my time is limited, I am looking along the lines of mixing the sodium chlorite solution with an iodine solution, which might be a more stable sodium iodide and potassium iodide 10% solution to the 25% sodium chlorite, and is made to react with any organic acid, such as vinegar, lemon juice, for example. There's still a problem in such use. For example, lemon juice is an organic compound, as is grape juice. So when you make sodium chlorite to react with say, grape juice, most of the chlorine compounds are invariably produces chlorine dioxide, with is immediately racted with an organic compound and destroying its antiseptic properties immediately. The lingering effects of chlorine organic compounds, I believe is what does the long term killing.

A hydrogen peroxide has it's weakness too, in that it is reactive with organic compounds too but interestingly, the red blood cells can carry peroxide compounds to the site that is needed. While a possible similar mechanism of chlorine dioxide compounds (reacted chlorine dioxide) might occur in similar effects.

Whichever the case, there is some truth in its power to kill off malaria, and many virus. The drawbacks of hydrogen peroxide in practice is that it is weaker then that of chlorine dioxide or MMS and it has to be taken much more frequently since, it is used up rather quickly. The hydrogen peroxide drops lasts in your body for a very short period, such as 50 minutes, while the effects of chlorine dioxide or sodium chlorite gets recirculated in the body for hours after it is taken. It's quite simple: chlorine is not destroyed, while hydrogen peroxide gets degraded to just water and oxygen. And hence it's short lifespan.

This concludes that for any chemical inside the body to continue to kill the pathogens, it cannot degrade, but continue to circulate for hours or days after it is taken. When you think along this lines, then iodine comes to mine, as is chlorine, but possibility exists also of other minerals, such as magnesium chloride for example.

To gain wider public acceptance of chlorine dioxide, I believe that certain iodine compounds are needed, or replaced, or added, such as iodic acid, iodine trichloride, hydrogen iodide, potassium iodide, or sodium iodide, so that a person who uses chlorine, won't lower the immune system upon taken the chlorine dioxide or sodium chlorite. It lowers the immune system, while it does kill the pathogens. The problem here is obvious: chlorine lowers the immune system, but causes other long term conditions such as hypothyroidism and goiter. The reason why I know this is simple: some people who used sodium chlorite, or MMS, has got either a goiter or hypothyroidism. Chlorine weakens the body's energy system, as a free chlorine will react with your body's Kreb's cycle, the hydrogen, which is the main energy source of the cells. In fact, the reason why oxygen is used, is so the cells can have sufficient hydrogen currency. In presence of high free chlorine, the free hydrogen becomes hydrochloric acid, which just burns the cells or the cellular mitochrondria. It is this reason why I get reports of people being very weak and sick after taking a chlorine filled shower.

Of course there are other ways to skin a cat in curing malaria, such as artemisia, artemisin or even just methylene blue, which is a carrier of hydrogen, that does the opposite of what chlorine dioxide does, which is to give the cells more energy and hence, stronger immune system. Therefore sodium chlorite works somewhat like potassium permanganate, in that does kill the pathogens, but you have some colateral damage to healthy cells. This is how chemotherapy works. On the other hand, a simple chemical that is specific to pathogens which are acid forming, can be nuked much like a heat seeking missiles using other familiar chemical that the body actually produced naturally such as sodium nitrite (produced by glial cells) and degrades instantly to nitric acid whenever an acid forming bactieria or acid forming cancer, or acid forming virus. It becomes a strongly oxidizing compound in presences of acid forming pathogens, hence it works like a heat seeking missle. However, the good news is not just sodium nitrite (I recently got cured from a very bad bout of virus just taking this and some polyol sugar - erythritol), but also, iodic acid (strongly oxidizing also in presence of acid), and certain other forms of iodine that has this strange properties. Vitamin C if it is acid, becomes a pro-oxidant but an antioxidant if it is alkaline. Hence, vitamin C also works similarly like a heat seeking missile after these acid forming pathogens too, but it's weakness against pathogens, is made much more stronger with either sodium chlorite (works like chemotheraph), or iodine compounds.

At the moment I have limited time to do experiments, but I really need to reformulate the sodium chlorite compound that doesn't cause nauseating as well as iodine deficiency. In any case I would much prefer to work with other means, investigating iodic acid, which works in some ways similar to sodium chlorite, but the differences might be that iodine is a required mineral, but chlorine isn't. Whichever way we consider, a sodium chlorite is NOT a stabilized oxygen. That title belongs more to magnesium peroxide, or other oxygen compound that is more somewhat more stable then hydrogen peroxide. Methylene blue is another one, but it doesn't work on the principle of oxygen, or even chlorine. It works as a hydrogen carrier, which is the primary currency of the cellular energy and can be used to specifically target pathogenic cells too.

You might never heard of methylene blue, but it was used during the Vietnam war to cure malaria. The reason for it's disuse is that taken in very high dose, it causes the urine to be blue. However, there's a cure for blue urine, it's called vitamin C sodium ascorbate! So the reason for disuse was that the doctors simply didn't give the GI's vitamin C sodium ascorbate when they injected methylene blue, or perhaps taken internally. Even so, it can easily be proven that methylene blue will become colorless. Just add drops of methylene blue in vitamin C, it will instantly become colorless. Interestingly, methylene blue works better with vitamin C, as both are related to negative hydrogen, as evidenced by the fact that if you did use ORP meter, the resultant measurement is likely to be -200 millivolts or up to -300 millivolts, which is a negative charge. Methylene blue is a negative hydrogen carrier, while vitamin C sodium ascorbate, preferably is a producer of that and is a reducing agent.

Ted

Replied by Nat
(London, UK)
03/10/2009

Hello Ted,

Thank you for your very interesting post. I am happy to find someone sensible about this subject. I have found the same information you did just by looking at research papers.

Have you considered giving Kelp or Kombu to offset the problem caused by MMS? I do not understand why people take MMS over a long period of time when most conditions seems to clear after 2 weeks. There are safer alternatives for toxins and heavy metal chelation.

I know methylene blue (methylthioninium chloride) quite well. It was used to cure UTI or bladder infection. Now it is impossible to find it at the drugstore.

How does MMS compare to magnesium peroxide in your experience?

Replied by Sandra
(Northern, Nevada)
08/08/2009

My husband and I are not having some of the problems others are having because we are also taking daily 1 cup vinegar, 1 tbls baking soda, and 5,000 mg of magnesium malate to neutralize the toxins and dead pathogens as well as the 50 mg of iodine. I keep track of my pH so I know when I need to neutralize an acidic condition. Thanks, Ted, for all your help. Do you think this will balance out the MMS and yet allow it to be used effectively?

Replied by Dirk
(Vredenburg, South Africa)
01/13/2010

I read a lot about mms and H2O2. Is mms the same as H2O2 with the added vinegar? Also, what strenght of hH2O2 do you use?


General Feedback
Posted by Phil (Nelson, New Zealand) on 05/19/2008

I have just ordered a bottle of MMS after receiving excellent feedback from a friend in Kuala Lumpur who reported the increased health benefits from people he knows who are in their 70's who have a new lease of life. I was also able to download the e version of the book.


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Posted by Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 04/19/2008 510 posts

To all who tries to access the MMS info referenced from suneagle99 - Go for the shorter www.miraclemineral.org. I wasted 15 or 20 minutes trying to access the longer site given - gave up & tried the shorter address and just finished downloading & printing Part 1 of the book for free - from what I read while copying it, it looks very interesting. Will comment further after I get a chance to read it all. If I still feel like I do at present, I will gladly pay $9.95 for part 2. Just be sure you have plenty of paper & ink on hand before you start printing - it's l87 pages long.


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Posted by Sharon (Aiken, SC) on 02/01/2008
5 out of 5 stars

I have ordered this after doing research on several different web sites. Pretty thought provoking stuff, but the jury is out until I try it. Will update on progress with postings



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