Ted's Dog Mange Cure - Treatment for Demodectic and Sarcoptic Mange

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Posted by June Bug (Alaska) on 08/24/2014

Hi there,

So our 5 month old French Bulldog puppy got diagnosed after a scraping with demodex, and it is generalized. We have about 6 1-2 inch spots on her trunk, in front of both ears, middle of face, a big patch on back leg, large patches on front chest with consistent red bumps and pustules.

After all of my research and wanting to give her immune system the best chance at battling it off before using chemicals, I have put her on an great diet (no starches, grain free NutriSource), Nupro supplement, alaska fish oils, and more probiotics with a teaspoon of melted coconut oil on top.

I started doing the Ted's remedy baths exactly a week ago and have have done it three times this first week. I am hoping what I describe is a part of the healing crisis and would appreciate any insight:

So her spots started bald and after doing Ted's remedy once or twice, big red bumps and pus bumps/pustules started popping up in the bald spots only. In between Ted's treatments, I clean with povidone iodine twice a day and have mixed my own neem, lavender, tea tree oil in almond and vita E oil that I put on her at night.

So after a week, the red bumps are on all the previously smooth bald spots and open up, or turn pussy, but they are drying out even though they keep popping up.

I am assuming this is the onion/layer/healing crisis since demodex is so deep in the follicles and takes time to kill at the deepest source. And her skin is turning a darker color (almost purple). Is this normal to expect during the healing crisis? I know treatment of mange takes a while, but it's killing me to see her with so many red bumps/pustules.

Her energy levels are great, she plays/wrestles with our other dogs, eats well and is happy - no change in energy.

Any insight or experience with something similar would be great to hear - or if it sounds like I should take her in and give in to the chemicals (I DON'T want to do this since she's so young).

Thank you!

Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
08/25/2014

Hey Lexi!

IMHO what you are seeing is normal. When the mites experience a massive die-off, their decomposing bodies that are deep in the follicle release highly irritating toxins, resulting in the pustules that you are seeing.

You might consider using Ted's Anti-staph/Anti-fungal remedy to stack the deck against a secondary infection to the traumatized areas.

Take 1/3 cup of hydrogen peroxide [the bottle contains a 3% solution] and add 2/3 cup pure water; this gives you 1 cup of a 1% solution of hydrogen peroxide. To this add 1 teaspoon EACH of: Epsom salts, Borax, and Milk of Magnesia. Blend well until all crystals have dissolved and apply to the affected areas. This has a 'working' effect for 24 hours; you can apply daily or as needed.

Replied by June Bug
Alaska
08/25/2014

Thanks, Theresa! I will try that other mixture as well...

So do you think the darkening of her skin is also a normal reaction during the die-off, healing crisis?

Thanks again,

Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
08/26/2014

Hey Lexi!

The darkening of the skin could be part of the normal pigmentation process that occurs as your pup matures and not related to the demodex at all - or it might be allergy related. What color is your pup?

Replied by June Bug
Alaska
08/26/2014

Thanks again for getting back! I just applied the mixture you supplied and we'll see if that helps!

She is mostly red, but has a black mask, but striped with white on her face, white chest, white belly and a few white spots on the top of her neck Everything else is red, except the slight black mask on her muzzle and ears.

She does have varying skin colors where she's hairless on her belly and it ranges from white to dark purplish. The infected spots that are turning color were first much more white and now are turning the purple color like what's on her belly. And they're turning darker on both the red and white parts of her body....hmmmmm, so after reading about black mange or hyperpigmentation being a bad sign, it got me worried that maybe this natural remedy isn't working! But her skin is flaking away where old bumps used to be, which to me is good!

I know beating this is a patient game and I'm just not that patient. :)

Thanks again,

Lexi (& June Bug)

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
08/27/2014

Hey Lexi!

What you are describing sounds like normal pigmentation for a pied -and sounds like you have a very pretty black masked fawn pied. In dogs where the skin turns dark from allergy, they are typically much older and have a history of allergy. I find with frenchies that the first year - demodex aside - tends to be fairly problem free, but the second season hits with a vengeance, and any allergies that did not appear in the first year manifest during the second.

One other thing you can do that may help/help a lot/certainly won't hurt - is alkalizing by adding baking soda to her water. There are two doses - 1/2 teaspoon into 1 liter of water, this as her only drinking water, for 5 days; the maintenance dose is 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to 1 liter of water. When I notice that my pack of frenchies are starting to get the seasonal itchies, I do the crisis dose for a week, then drop down to the maintenance dose for another few weeks. I also take this myself while I treat the dogs ;-) So, this may help with the current demodex situation by balancing your dog's PH and thus making her less attractive to the demodex mites.

Replied by June Bug
Alaska
08/27/2014
5 out of 5 stars

Thank you again, Theresa!! I can't tell you how valuable your feedback has been and how great that you too have Frenchie experience!

Did you find that if you let a female go into heat after having demodex as a puppy that she had another outbreak (or were the allergies that manifested the second year come after a heat)?

I will try the drinking water fix as well, thank you!

I can tell you that her itching flat out STOPPED last night (first night ever without itching!! ) and I had applied that anti-staph/yeast solution earlier in the day.

I will write again hopefully when she's fully recovered, but so far, Ted's remedies (and your faithful help) are curing little June Bug!

Thank you,

Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
08/27/2014

Hey Lexi!

I originally found this website because my brindle pied frenchie had demodex. The littermates had it also, but I was the only puppy person to go 100% drug free/wholistic in treating my puppy. The other puppy owners used Ivermectin and other drugs and out of them all my puppy healed up the fastest using Ted's Remedy. I find that after the first episode of puppy demodex that it does not return; should it appear in an adult dog it usually happens due to an underlying disease condition, or a very stressful event.

I find that for allergies, if you are going to be allergic to something, you need to first be exposed to it; this is where your immune system decides if it is friend or foe. Upon the next exposure the immune system has decided friend or foe and reacts accordingly. So, the first year your puppy may appear to be free of the seasonal allergies that affect so many frenchies - but next year, when the allergens are again exposed to your pup, the immune system will have an opinion, and you may find that your pup is sensitive to grasses or spring pollens or fall pollens or the mold that occurs during the spring melt off on your lawn.

Please keep us posted on June Bug!

Replied by June Bug
Alaska, US
08/28/2014

Hi again!

I need some encouragement in keeping the faith with these natural remedies...

So I was curious how long it took your Frenchie pup to recover from mange using Ted's remedy (and how bad was yours)?

Also, how long does the healing crisis last ... I know it is supposed to get worse before it gets better but it seems like it's spreading (I'm guessing that the mites are angry and moving from a previously infected spot to a new one close by??)

Just trying to manage my expectations!

Thank you! Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
08/28/2014

Hey Lexi!

Demodex typically takes months to resolve. I want to say my puppy took 12 weeks of treatment. She had generalized demodex according to the definitions, but I think the definitions are kinda screwy, ie if on the face only it is localized. Mine had spots on the face, on the legs, on the trunk - more than 6 that I recall; I am wishing now I took photos! I gave her 2-3 baths the first two weeks and then weekly thereafter. Mine got worse before it got better, so much so I ordered a bunch of other remedies *just in case*. By the time the other remedies arrived in the mail I could clearly see the remedy was working after all, so I did not use the additional remedies I had purchased. If I had to recommend a second remedy, I would mix up sulpher flowers in castor oil and apply that to the spots... but I really think you should hold off on and just wait one more week.

There appear to be some species or strains of demodex mites that do not respond to this remedy. However make sure you are doing it right; making a saturated solution by adding so much borax that the grains of borax do not fully dissolve; treat the entire dog, not just select parts; dip your dog in the solution for at least 10 minutes straight, working the grainy solution down to the skin, and then put in a crate with no bedding and allow to drip dry for half an hour - after that I let them out and towel them off and work the grains of borax out of their coat; it is like they run around the house leaving 'sand' all over when the dried borax falls off.

It sounds as if a secondary staph infection may have set in; if you wish to stay with the holistic as opposed to getting antibiotics, use the Staph remedy daily if not twice daily. Boost immune system with Vitamin C, Echinacea and Zinc. It is advised to keep demodex dogs calm and stress free, however I am not sure that is possible with a 5 month old puppy.

Was your puppy on a regular worming schedule from the breeder? Being parasite free on the inside will help.

It is not likely that the mites are migrating to infect new spots, rather, the populations of mites were already present in what appeared to be unaffected areas and the treatment is causing those populations of mites to die, and the decomposing bodies of the mites are releasing toxins which are irritating, causing the itching, redness and pustules.

Replied by June Bug
Alaska, US
09/01/2014

Thanks again, Theresa!

When I got her, she did have worms (the breeder had her on an OTC mild puppy wormer). I noticed her stools were mucousy and sure enough, when I looked closer, there were tapeworm segments. I got a strong, broad spectrum dewormer (one dose) from the vet and she passed dead tape worm segments and one HUGE roundworm. I wonder if that dewormer/chemical made her immune system even more susceptible??

Anyway, now she's worm free, but demodex full. :/

I am definitely making the remedy right and I keep her in the sink and keep squeezing it over her skin for about 20 minutes each time and let her air dry. Her oldest spots seem to be getting better - at least they're not continuing to have new red bumps/pustules. But other spots have lost more hair/spread and are all ridden with the red spots and little pustules.

I am doing the anti-staph (really dries it out) and I recently discovered Homeopet First Aid ointment (has all sorts of great things in it, echinacea, sulphur, chamomile, etc. in mineral oil) and that is helping quite a bit.

It's just tough keeping the faith during this healing crisis. If yours had the healing crisis/die off effect, how long did it last?

And should I keep doing the aggressive Ted treatment (3x/week) for more than two weeks? Or what should be my indicator to back off to the once/week schedule?

Thanks again! Lexi

Replied by June Bug
Alaska, US
09/01/2014

Thanks again, Theresa!

When I got her, she did have worms (the breeder had her on an OTC mild puppy wormer). I noticed her stools were mucousy and sure enough, when I looked closer, there were tapeworm segments. I got a strong, broad spectrum dewormer (one dose) from the vet and she passed dead tape worm segments and one HUGE roundworm. I wonder if that dewormer/chemical made her immune system even more susceptible??

Anyway, now she's worm free, but demodex full. :/

I am definitely making the remedy right and I keep her in the sink and keep squeezing it over her skin for about 20 minutes each time and let her air dry. Her oldest spots seem to be getting better - at least they're not continuing to have new red bumps/pustules. But other spots have lost more hair/spread and are all ridden with the red spots and little pustules.

I am doing the anti-staph (really dries it out) and I recently discovered Homeopet First Aid ointment (has all sorts of great things in it, echinacea, sulphur, chamomile, etc. in mineral oil) and that is helping quite a bit.

It's just tough keeping the faith during this healing crisis. If yours had the healing crisis/die off effect, how long did it last?

And should I keep doing the aggressive Ted treatment (3x/week) for more than two weeks? Or what should be my indicator to back off to the once/week schedule?

So I wanted to specify how much worse it's gotten after 2 weeks of Ted's remedy 3x/week:

Existing spots are all red, bumpy and have pustules.

New spots have popped up - her biggest area on her chest is spreading down her entire arm to her toe. Three new separate spots have popped up in independent areas, and the spot on her head is spreading as well.

Does this sound normal? Or should I be worried her mites aren't reacting to Ted's remedy?

So far everything has gotten worse...some of her older spots may be getting better - they don't have as many red bumps and are darker in color. But other than that, it's spreading and new spots are popping up (all with red skin and bumps.)

I'm just feeling anxious...ah!

Thanks, Lexi

EC: So I wanted to specify how much worse it's gotten after 2 weeks of Ted's remedy 3x/week:

Existing spots are all red, bumpy and have pustules.

New spots have popped up - her biggest area on her chest is spreading down her entire arm to her toe. Three new separate spots have popped up in independent areas, and the spot on her head is spreading as well.

Does this sound normal? Or should I be worried her mites aren't reacting to Ted's remedy?

So far everything has gotten worse...some of her older spots may be getting better - they don't have as many red bumps and are darker in color. But other than that, it's spreading and new spots are popping up (all with red skin and bumps.)

I'm just feeling anxious...ah!

Thanks,

Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
09/02/2014

Hey Lexi!

After re-reading all your posts and updates, to me it sounds like June Bug has a systemic bacterial infection going on and very likely needs antibiotics. The remedy is working on the mites, but the secondary bacterial infection is fighting from the inside out, so the topical solutions will only work so far. You can go the 100% natural route and possibly avoid dosing antibiotics, but I think you would have an entirely bald very unhappy dog if you do down that path.

If this were my dog I would throw in the towel and see the vet. They will prescribe an antibiotic, which IMHO is appropriate; this means stopping the probiotics for the duration of the antibiotic treatment [2-3 weeks]. They will prescribe an antimiticide such as daily oral Ivermectin which is a human drug; at this juncture I consider dosing it for 5 days. I would NOT use Amitraz dips, which are both spendy and IMHO highly toxic, or Milbemycin Oxime.

I would additionally consider worming her for roundworm at least 1 more time if not 2-3 more times as the worming schedule you outlined was not sufficient for roundworm.

I know you are feeding good groceries but you may wish to try RAW or switch to a diet that has zero grains and potatoes to help starve the mange mites from the inside out. I would consider adding 500mg vitamin C and echinacea to the mix am and pm. I would also consider using homeopathic Sulpher.

I would back off on the dipping in the remedy to 1x week, and consider doing a essential oil of lavender and Neem oil rinse on the other days to help calm the skin. The Homeopet salve sounds like a winner, and I would use that on the spots that ask for it or the home made combo you were using prior.

Replied by June Bug
Alaska, US
09/02/2014

Thank you as always, Theresa...they have a gem in you!

I threw the towel in this morning after feeling June Bug's very enlarged lymph nodes under her jaw late last night and after reading your post this morning...

Loved my vet today (new vet). After a "taping" of all her spots, it came back exhaustingly (depressingly) positive for staph and cocci. She prescribed dewormer (2 doses over the next 2 weeks) and antibiotics only and told me to keep at the supplement immune building, the benzoyl peroxide/sulfur/salicylic acid baths with my DermabenSS shampoo (but not more Ted's for a week at least). She didn't want to do any Ivermectin until we got the secondary bacterial infection under control. I really respected this...she said she wants to get the discomfort under control and give it a few months before we put the anti-miticide chemicals in her. So after I get the bacterial infections under control, she wants me to try again with Ted's.

I have been feeding a no grain/no potato food source (NutriSource kibble) with Alaskan fish oils (live the closest to it! ), coconut oil and probiotics along with all immune building supplements.

And because I've done the lavender/neem/tea tree, etc., we decided with the antibiotics to keep things simple and only treat skin topically with coconut oil.

I will certainly keep you posted and thank you again for all your help...it has been much appreciated and I hope our conversation can help someone else!

Forgot to mention that the taping results came back negative for yeast, which is a relief in some way. At least we're just battling bacteria...!

Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
09/03/2014

Hey Lexi!

Looks like you scored big time with the new vet! My vet also utilizes tapping, among other approaches. So glad you are on the right track with June Bug!

Replied by June Bug
Alaska
09/05/2014

Hi there,

So we're on day 4 of antibiotics and things are already looking a bit better.

However, my gut is saying that I shouldn't take a break from treating the mites or I am losing precious time since I do believe I was going through a major die-off.

I think the hydrogen peroxide mix was too irritating and read that there is a Ted's version using apple cider vinegar as the borax carrier...if this is correct, do you have a recipe for that? And experience with it?

Thanks again!

Lexi

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
09/05/2014

Hey Lexi!

I agree with you, but not sure you need to act *now*; I think you could hold off a few more days to allow the skin to heal. How many treatments with Ted's remedy did June Bug get? 2-3 the first week, and then once per week up until just a few days ago?

You only need to dip once per week - this in keeping with the life cycle of the mite. Can you follow this up with a moisturizing bath/treatment an hour or two after the dip? I would suspect with her skin healing up now that the secondary bacterial infection is being treated, her skin would be less irritated with the 1% hydrogen peroxide.

I have not used the recipe with vinegar, although I know I read about it - I just can't find it, particularly now that everything seems to be sorted out ;-). What I have read - what I could find - is that vinegar is likely to be far more irritating/will sting. I have used the solution with cuts on my own hands and also done vinegar rinses on my dogs and the vinegar does sting the raw skin whereas the 1% hydrogen peroxide did not -this from my own personal experience.

All that said I was able to find this for you:

Posted by Kc (Newtown, Ct) on 04/05/2010

[YEA] It worked!!! Thank you Ted! I was so stressed out when my dog started to show signs of mange. I made this remedy using 1 part Apple cider vinager (AC vinager instead of peroxide because I didnt want to "highlight" her black fur) to 2 parts water, and added borax laundry detergent until it wouldnt dissolve anymore. I put her in the tub and splashed on the solution until she was soaked, no gloves needed. I used a cottonball for around her eyes. I then washed every pillowcase, blanket, and rug that I could and sprinkled the borax powder all over the rest including the couch. Left that overnight and vacumed it up the next day. It was winter outside and I admit it wasnt fun for anyone to have a soaking wet dog running around, but it was worth it. Immediately the itching stopped. Within the first few day, I could see improvement. I did this intense house cleaning and borax soak with her once a week for 4 weeks and In 5 WEEKS it was completely gone! Thank you thank you thank you. Super easy, SO MUCH HEALTHIER, and wicked cheap!

- See more at: http://www.earthclinic.com/pets/dog_mange_cure7.html#sthash.47KmmrB8.dpuf

Replied by June Bug
Alaska, US
09/05/2014

Thanks again, Theresa.

I did Ted's 3x for the first two weeks and she had her last one 5 days ago. So I will wait a few more days and if she's scab free, I'll give the ACV one a try. If not, I'll stick with the hydrogen peroxide so she doesn't get stung.

I'll keep you posted!

Thank you,

Lexi

Replied by June Bug
Alaska
10/24/2014

Hi Theresa,

So I wanted to post an update on June Bug. We had her on antibiotics for about 5 weeks which helped a lot, continued to do Ted's during the first 3 weeks of antibiotics and then I just backed off and stuck with benzoyl peroxide shampoos 2-3 times a week.

I also did a grain free diet, Standard Process Canine Immune Support supplement, Alaska Fish Oils, NUPRO supplement and sardines annnnnd...took her in for scrapings a couple days ago and all of the spots came back negative for mites! They only saw a few from 2 scrapings on her face, but it looks like we are winning the battle doing it all naturally (aside from the antibiotics)!

Her skin was pretty ravaged by the mites (BIG blackheads in some spots and little superficial blackheads all over the previously affected spots and I'd say she lost 30% of her hair all together), but hair has started growing back at a fast pace these last couple of weeks.

I almost gave up multiple times and went with Ivermectin or some other chemical, but so glad I stuck with Ted's and the immune building diet protocol! It can work, and it has been for June Bug.

Thanks again, Lexi

Replied by Carla
Ct
11/19/2014

My husband doesn't believe in bathing dogs so our Lab/mix has only had 2 or 3 in the 7 years since we rescued him. So, here we are in 20 degree weather, so I can't bath outdoors; how do you even get a 60 lb lab in the tub and get him to stay there so you can treat his skin; it started on his face around his eyes and itchy ears and then spread to his belly and between his foot pads; he's constantly scratching/chewing......suggestions? Carla

Replied by Diamond
Ma.
11/20/2014
5 out of 5 stars

I used to bath my huge pit bull in a plastic or tin or even metal portable big tub, you might be able to buy at either Lowes or Home Depot another time we used a kids plastic swimming pool, then we either did him in the cellar or put a huge absorbent blanket in the kitchen and try to wash him/her.

Good Luck & have fun. :-)

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
11/21/2014

Hey Carla!

Have you taken your dog to the vet for a diagnosis? Demodectic mange in a 7 year old dog usually means something deeper is going on. Sarcoptic mange is something your dog can catch from wild animals, and would require his entire living space to be decontaminated to avoid catching it again. However what you describe could also be allergies, which commonly develop in dogs as they age.

As for bathing options, it certainly would be good to start with Ted's mange dip to see if the itching your dog improves. There are places you can take your dog that offer grooming services and some offer DIY dog washing space. Check out your local [and often big chain] pet food stores to see if they offer grooming or DIY dog washing.

Additionally, what you feed your dog can make all the difference; if you are feeding Ol' Roy or Purina then a grocery upgrade is needed; look for grain free diets and expect to feed for 6 weeks before you see improvement. Consider adding probiotics - good bacteria - in the form of yogurt or capsules from the refrigerator section of the health food store.

Lastly, consider alkalizing your dog's drinking water. Add 1 teaspoon of baking soda to 1 liter of water and have this as the only source of drinking water for your dog. Mix it up fresh and only offer when the baking soda has stopped fizzing. After 1 week you can reduce to 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda, and after 2 weeks you can reduce to a maintenance dose of 1/4 teaspoon in to 1 liter of water.


Posted by Debbie (London) on 07/19/2014

Hi, I have had rescue JR / Chihuahua for just over 3 years now. When we got her, she was appx 4 y/o, covered in demodex (was thought to have been allergies), permanently itchy, no hair on her ears and very little on muzzle and some other areas, very inflamed eyes (diagnosed with dry eye syndrome), underweight, no exercise tolerence, incontinent of faeces.

Vet diagnosed demodex and gave Advocate - every 2 weeks for 6 weeks, then monthly for few months. This improved demodex. Went onto raw diet (sorted continence issue - she is too small to contain the bulk of non-raw food needed to give her enough energy! ). Eyes I realised over time have many issues - allergy, dry eye (I think from demodex?), getting things in her eyes because she is so small (I now flush them with saline 3 times a day; sometimes she has rocks in there..and use Optimmune - tried everything natural can think of but this seems to help most as she no longer gets really sticky lumps on her eyeballs).

She still, though, had residual signs of demodex. When I look at her skin in the balder areas with a jewellers eye glass (inner elbows, tummy, muzzle, between toes) she has blackheads. And she gets itchy (could also be allergy). I have been doing the demodex baths (not as often as weekly) and using cotton wool pads to wipe mixture over those areas daily between baths, and she is now beginning to grow hair in areas I thought would be permanently bald! I wondered if the blackheads are casts of the demodex, or a physical reaction to them? Also, she would regularly get sores around her vulva, which was ridden with blackheads (I wondered if there could be a kind of hive in some areas?) and some sore patches on her skin with the same blackheads - these have all cleared up with daily wiping over with the mixture. I'm hoping that her immunity is now stronger, so that she will have more resistance to them returning.

I imagine that low immunity leads to the demodex taking hold, and in turn the demodex further lowers immunity?

Would definitely say this is a convoluted yay! The mixture is working for sure.

Very grateful for this website! Thanks, Debbie

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/20/2014

Hey Debbie!

I have seen the blackheads on some of my worse demodex cases, so I would agree that the blackheads are dead mites/reaction to decomposing mites.

Demodex in a 3 year old dog is a concern, as demodex typically is associated with an undeveloped immune system. That you have it in a 3 year old may indicate an undiagnosed underlying condition such as hypothyroid.

The sores on the vulva sound like yeast complications - wiping with Ted's anti-fungal/anti-staph will help, or straight Milk of Magnesia or Apple Cider Vinegar. You may wish to alkalize your dog's drinking water - to combat the yeast internally - by giving 1 teaspoon of baking soda into 1 liter of water; this is a crisis dose to be given for 5 days and then drop down to one half or one quarter teaspoon to one liter of water.

Replied by Debbie
London
07/22/2014

Thanks, Theresa, for your help. I'm sure you're right about the yeast - have started using the vinegar as you suggested, will try the bicarb too.

She's actually about 7 1/2 y/o - was about 4 when we got her (riddled with demodex, with a strong kind of salami smell which she no longer has). I have had thyroid test, but only the basic one, not the one recommended by Jean Dodds (UK vet unaware of it) - test was pretty normal. But she does show quite a few of the signs e.g sensitive to temperature, dry coat shedding all the time (and the dry eye...).


Posted by Keezer (Australia) on 07/18/2014
1 out of 5 stars

After visiting an incompetent vet who spent 5 seconds looking at my puppy's bald patches then gave her a huge shot of steroids (the very worst thing you can give a dog with mange as it obliterates the immune system) my poor pup's localised demodectic mange became generalised, with bald patches spreading from her nose right down to her chest. At the time I had no idea what was wrong with her, our 'vet' had said allergies, so I took to the internet and had diagnosed her myself within about 10 minutes, it was definitely mange.

After going to a vet, paying him a lot of money and having my pup's condition made worse as a result, I decided to try Ted's Remedy. I had found it on lots of sites with lots of great reviews. Needless to say, I got rather excited! I went out, got the hydrogen peroxide and borax, then set to work. I followed the instructions to the letter; correct measurements, washed her first then soaked her in the mixture and left it to dry. After the first application my pup's mange seemed to worsen which I thought was a good sign as I'd read about a 'healing crisis' when the mites started to die off. We cleaned EVERYTHING with borax and vinegar, even the floors.

The next week we repeated, then the next, and the next. After about four applications we could see no physical difference, except now our pup was lying around and seemed miserable. She had begun scratching (demodectic mange shouldn't itch so this was a sign of a secondary infection). I decided it was time to visit another vet.

The new vet did a skin scraping and found it was definitely mange but that my pup now also had a bacterial AND a yeast infection - no wonder the poor thing was so unhappy! She was started on antibiotics but, by this stage, I had read so many bad things about invermectin and other mange treatments that I wanted to stick with Ted's Remedy a while longer. As soon as the antibiotics were finished my pup was scratching once more. One night I came home to find her entire muzzle raw and bleeding. After sitting on the floor with her with tears running down my face, I realised it was time to give up on Ted's Remedy.

Long story short (too late! ) she has now had one and a half shots of an invermectin-type treatment (sorry, can't remember the name) and already her skin has improved by leaps and bounds. It is now a healthy light pink instead of dark pink to angry red. All the horrible mange bumps are gone, her skin is very smooth. She has stop scratching and her scabs have healed. But, best of all, she has had a sudden burst of energy! We always assumed she was just a quiet natured pup but, now that she feels better, her true energetic nature has come out!

I know lots of people are keen to use natural remedies whenever possible (my entire skin care range is now made up of homemade, coconut oil-based products) but, when dealing with something that can become a serious danger to health, it really pays to seek professional help. If you're disappointed with one professional, as we were, seek a second opinion. If we had done that a couple of months earlier our pup would have been saved weeks of unnecessary suffering. Sorry Ted, this just wasn't for us!

Replied by Om
Hope, Bc Canada
07/18/2014

Ted also has a wonderful remedy for secondary and staph infection on EC. Theresa, one of our contributors, has always given very explicit instructions which are very helpful. You can find it easily on EC website, repeatedly.

Unfortunately, after paying a sum at one vet, for many people there is a dearth of funds. This is where research on EC is so valuable. Ted's remedy has great acclaim as is does work but when there is a secondary infection and the vet has not been forthcoming with help, Ted again has the secondary, bacterial, staph infection remedy which is easy to prepare and to find online at EC.

Ivermectin, according to natural doctors, is a cancer causing substance. Some people use it also for deworming but I have myself experienced at a shelter, that it doesn't work.

Theresa, one of our frequent contributors, has time and again given out the formula, saving much time in research for others. It just takes time researching which again saves $$. Good luck with your charge. Namaste, Om

Replied by Keezer
Australia
07/20/2014

Than you for this information. As I said, I try to use natural remedies whenever possible, in this case it just didn't work. I hope, once we are rid of the d. mange this time, it will never return but I will keep a bottle of hydrogen peroxide and borax just in case as I feel the remedy may have worked if we had caught the mange in its early stages (before the first useless vet got involved! ). I will look up the bacterial infection remedy too as I absolutely HATE using antibiotics but we were just so desperate!

Between our many vet visits, treatments and diet changes to boost our pup's immune system, those pesky mites have cost us a fortune! But our little furball is worth it :)

I love this site and will definitely be checking out the secondary infection treatment, thanks!

Replied by Leya
Katy, Tx
10/31/2014

Hello, I have given my dog 3 baths in a week and followed the instructions. I see that his skin is like getting worse. Is this what it supposed to happen? I am about to give up and just take him to the vet but I have 3 dogs and my dog who has the mange is only 4 months old and we just rescued him and this is his second health problem. We are trying to save money since we just spent about thousand dollars for our 3 dogs and we can't afford right now to spend hundreds of dollars again. So would it look like it is getting worse before you see improvement on his skin? He has more bald skin now and getting more bites from mites and red. I just feel sorry for him. How can I send pictures or attach pictures here? I would appreciate any input or help please. Thank you.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
11/01/2014

Hey Leya!

When treating mange it will often look worse once you start treating before it looks better.

Reason being, when you treat you are causing a rapid die off of the mites. The mites die deep in the hair follicle and decompose. It is the decomposing mite bodies that some dogs react to so even though the mites are not biting any more, it looks worse as your dog's skin works on a cell level to remove the decomposing mites.

Three dips in one week is enough for now; you could try soothing bathes with a lavender and oatmeal based shampoo [you could make this at home, google for recipe ideas] and you could also try Dr. Bronner's soaps - use the lavender one.

You should also consider supporting your dog's immune system with additional vitamin C, and try a weeks worth of Goldenseal, and also 2 weeks worth of Echinacea. So dose all three each meal, and monitor your results. Immune compromised animals often benefit from probiotics; you can do yogurt, but a better way would be RAW sauerkraut, either bought from the refrigerator section or made at home - 1 tbsp. each feeding.

Try to keep your pup in as stress free an environment as possible. With puppies this might be impossible, but whatever you can do to remove stress helps.

If you don't see a marked improvement in 3-5 days, if crazy itching develops, you may be dealing with a secondary skin infection and likely should see the vet.

Please report back!


Posted by Ramelle (Almond, Nc) on 07/14/2014

Hi - Question about the amount of mange treatment to mix up at one time. I mixed up a full recipe but had some left over, pup is 18# mid size- he has generalized demodex mange, has had one treatment, is confined to a bathroom and is staying curled up in his bedding so don't need large amounts to spray down a kennel, etc. Will I be able to use what is left for the 2nd treatment this week? If not, will what is left be effective for cleaning? Pup looked better after one treatment. I am also using a super oxygenated water rinse on the days he doesn't get the borax wash. And, he taking Ivermectin. He was in bad shape so doing all that I can to get him back to a healthy state.

Thanks so much, Ramelle

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/14/2014

Hey Ramelle!

I've used plenty of this remedy but have never tried to store it. My **guess** is that the solution is active as long as the hydrogen peroxide is active - so perhaps 24 - 48 hours in a securely sealed container.


Posted by Machel (San Antonio, Texas) on 07/14/2014

Background: I have two puppies. An 8 month old female boxer that we've had since she was 5 weeks old and a 4 month old male Pitbull/Lab mix that we've had since he was 3 1/2 to 4 weeks old. The 8 month old was healthy and happy, unfortunately my 4 month old, we found in a box outside a restaurant. We assumed he didn't receive the nutrients he needed to have a healthy immune system, however, the vet checked him out and said he seemed perfectly healthy. About 2 months ago we thought the Boxer got into a red ant hill and bit her ALL over her neck. We tried to treat it but didn't seem to get any better. 2 weeks after that, I started noticing after the male Pitbull/Lab mix ate or I took him outside he would scratch his ears, head and belly, lick his paws and breakout in hives. Also, he was losing hair on the top of his head and a few bumps appeared so I took both of them to the vet. The vet told me it was allergies, nothing to worry about but only put him on steroids. I knew better than to give them to him but I did anyway. He was potty trained but the steroids, within two days, had him peeing all over the house. Took him off of the steroids and then proceeded to put both of them on a raw diet hoping that would help with the "so called allergies". They are doing great on the diet but the top of his head kept getting worse. He was scratching so bad that it was making him bloody. Took him back to the vet, they did a scraping and told me it was mange (the Boxer also has it). Not wanting to trust the vet with their medications, I found "Ted's Cure". We're on week two and putting vitamins in their food. So far, it has worked wonders on the Boxer but taking longer on the Pit/Lab. Cleaned the WHOLE house like a mad woman and confined the pups to a sterile bathroom.

Will keep you posted with their progress.

Now to the question: Can I take them to the lake and let them play? They LOVE the water and seem a little stressed because they are now confined instead of running free. My concern is, will it make it spread even more, or set us back in treatment if I let them run around or get in the water.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/15/2014

Hey Machel!

From what you shared it appears your dogs have sarcoptic mange. The life cycle of the mite is 4 weeks; you might want to dip twice a week for the first 4 weeks just to be sure to catch any newly hatched mites and continue dipping once per week for another month or so after.

I see no problem taking them to the lake- sun and exercise are healing, but for sure bathe and dip them afterwards - to clean off any allergens, and to prevent another outbreak /catching it again.


Posted by Pam (Shawano, Wi ) on 07/10/2014

I have a puppy that was very sick when we got her in January. She was 5 months old and weighed 2 pounds, malnourished and dehydrated and so weak she could not hold her head up. She would not eat or drink. My Vet put her on human baby formula, At least 1 oz every 2 hours, after 3 days she started getting some strength back so he put her on small amounts canned puppy food as often as she would take it. She had really bad dry skin and pussy sores all over her back which we treated with antibiotics and liquid Vitamins. At 10 months I now have her up to almost 6 pounds and she is starting be an active puppy but I know the "dry" skin the Vet says is really Demodectic Mange. She has it all over, even between her toes. I am sure this is what she has had all along. I started dipping her in the Borax, peroxide last week and she now can open her eyes all the way, her ears have healed and look better but her neck is still hairless. As the mite dies, how do they come off the dog? I use a soft toothbrush and I brush her and she just flakes. Is this the dead mite? I think I am going to have to rinse her for a long time to get rid of them since they have had 10 months to reproduce. I did it 3 times the first week and am now doing it 2 times a week and she seems to be getting rid of them.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/10/2014

Hey Pam!

The life spam of a demodex mite is 18-24 days. What this means is that you should continue to dip your dog for another 4 weeks after everything looks cured - so generally for 12 weeks. If you see good results you can go to just 1 dip per week. When you use the borax/hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide acts as a penetrant to deliver the borax into the hair follicles; the borax is the miticide and its the borax that kills the mites. When the mites die, they stay right where they are in the hair follicle and dissolve; it is the decaying mites that can cause irritation. You may find that the appearance of the skin worsens before it gets better. You may find it helpful to make up a gallon batch of the remedy and simply stand your dog in a wash tub for 10 minutes to better treat the feet, as pododemidicosis can be very stubborn. Just be sure to follow the directions to a T - enough borax to the point it no longer dissolves and no rinsing or drying - let her air dry without any bedding in her crate for half an hour before allowing her out to shake off the excess and finish air drying.

You can address the flaky skin a few ways. Topical application of coconut oil with a few drops of essential oil of lavender; orally dosing with Oil of Primrose - 1 capsule am and pm; and you can also dose the coconut oil or other such oil such as salmon oil in the chow am and pm - one half teaspoon.

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/10/2014

I have been making enough of the solution to put in a small cooler and I just set her in that, the solution covers her back and use a wash cloth to wet her head, neck and ears. I let her in it for at least 10 minutes and then take her for a walk around the yard in the warm sun to dry her. She is on Derma Form for her dry skin, it's Omega 3's and Omega 6's and vitamins, she is also still on antibiotics for the pustules. She only itches her neck when she has her collar on so that comes off in the house.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/11/2014

Hey Pam!

The pustules sound like a secondary staph infection - you might consider Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph solution for one of your twice weekly dips.

Anti fungal/staph skin solution - you will need:


Milk of Magnesia [magnesium hydroxide]
Epsom salts [magnesium sulfate]
Borax [sodium tetraborate]
1% hydrogen peroxide solution

Mix 1 tbsp of MOM with 1 tbsp epsom salt and 1 tbsp borax into 1-1/2 cups of 1% hydrogen peroxide. Apply and do not rinse. This solution should knock out any staph infection or yeast infection going on in the skin.

Additionally the addition of 1 teaspoon of baking soda in one half liter of drinking water [this is a crisis dose] may also help and will calm problem skin in a matter of hours. Once the skin is under control, for long term maintenance use 1/2 tsp of baking soda per liter of water. If the 1 teaspoon of baking soda into one half liter of water tastes too strange for your dog, try diluting it to 1 teaspoon to three liters of water for the first day, then increase to one and one half teaspoon into three liters on the second day and so on. The crisis dose should be given 5-7 days before going on to the maintenance dose.

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/11/2014

I wish I could add to her drinking water but she doesn't drink! I have to give her water and/or formula with a dropper. She refuses to drink anything from a bowl. I just now in the last month can get her to lick at the formula in a shallow dish but she won't touch water.

I will try the other formula even tho she is on antibiotics but this is the third antibiotic she has been on and this one doesn't seem to be working either.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/11/2014

Hey Pam!

Sounds like you have a really, really smart puppy on your hands! My BIL's dog would not eat out of a bowl for years and years - only ate if the food was on the carpet! Needless to say, he shampooed the carpet frequently!

Why is your dog drinking formula?

If you are feeding soft, canned or wet food water consumption will go down. I would try to get your dog to drink the baking soda water 3 x day - use a 10+ ml syringe if you have it and just tip her head back, put the nozzle of the syringe in the corner of her mouth and slowly depress the plunger. Some will drip out, but she will be swallowing some as well. You might also consider using a hanging water bottle - Lixit makes one for small dogs - and hang that in her kennel filled with plain water; she might surprise you by taking to it without any instruction!

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/11/2014

When we got her she was 2 pounds and very weak, our Vet called her a "failure to thrive" puppy and he put her on formula because it was high in vitamins and proteins and she needed the nourishment. After 3 days she started coming around a little and that's when we started the canned puppy food. I found out that the people that had her kept her kenneled all the time and fed her hard food and water from a large water bowl. I heard she almost drowned in the water bowl and she is still deathly afraid of anything wet in a large bowl. I have tried the water bottle, she won't touch it. I can make a small amount of the baking soda solution and give it to her with the syringe, she'll take it then. And yes, she eats soft puppy food, I have to have it in my hand before she will eat it, but just recently she will take it off the floor. She has a really hard time with hard food of any kind, I keep trying to get her to eat it but mostly she just leaves it sit. She has a double row of teeth, both upper and lower and has difficulty eating, everything gets caught in her teeth. The Vet said she is not healthy enough to have them pulled and they won't touch her with this "mange". She will be 11 months in August but she is just starting to be a "puppy".

Replied by Om
Hope, Bc Canada
07/11/2014

Pam from Shawano. Wi----- what I did about those skin flakes. I took a wash cloth soaked in diluted ACV. That needed done just a few times. It changes the ph and cleans the skin which can then regenerate. Only when that was clear, did I use VCO rubbing it in well. If the skin is bare VCO mixed with cold pressed castor oil works very well. I use it on my face and hair. When things begin to look good, spray with orange essential oil which is also used as a household cleaner. It sure kills any buggers and is to be preferred over poisoning blood for the fleas. It works well for me.

Namaste, Om

Replied by Om
Hope, Bc Canada
07/11/2014

Pam from Shawano. Wi ----three antibiotics! Now it will be very difficult to get the dog back on par. Believe me, I speak from experience. When the precious immune system is beaten down as it were with a sledge hammer which is the allopathic method, superbugs, fungi, candida find the door wide open. Recent research also says that cancer can then make its debut.

The immune system is GOD given and logic says to kill every bacteria, good or bad, cannot be holistic. I lost some rescue cats that way when I was not enlightened enough.

I would get off the antibiotic - they are anti life and give pre and probiotics daily to boost the immune system. Just prescribing antibiotics freely and leave it at that is tantamount to "I do not know how to deal or heal". Next one, please.

Health is a business, think about it and take charge, doing research on EC or wherever you find inspiration.

By now antibiotics and pharma meds are found in all the water ways, causing new diseases. The planet is polluted by them.

I hope you understand. Namaste, Om

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/11/2014

What is ACV? And what is a pre and probiotics. Please talk in terms I can understand. I have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, I will stop the antibiotics but you have to understand my pup's immune system probably never worked correctly. This in one of the reasons she has all these problems...

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/12/2014

Hey Pam!

Thanks for the background info! What breed is your dog - is she a tiny toy breed?

If this were my dog I would change a few things. I would hang the doggy water bottle or a few of them around at her level so she can encounter them in her environment and get used to seeing them. Then I would spice them up by putting attractive toys on top of them so she is drawn to them for the toy alone. And most important, don't pay any attention to the or her checking them out - turn your back and ignore! I would also provide a few interactive treat balls that you can fill with cubed cheese, vitamin treats or kibble. These toys will engage her brain and nose and give her an activity that doesn't require your hand for her to eat.

I would also give her a nearly raw, meaty bone. Depending on her size a chicken thigh bone would work, or pork chop bone, pork rib bone, or T-bone steak bone. If she is a larger breed then I prefer beef rib bones. I make these by baking the rack of ribs at 350 for half an hour; this leaves the bone raw in the center, the meat rare and the outside is browned up and flavorful. Given her 'shark mouth' working on the bone [trim most but not all of the meat off] may loosen retained teeth while she flosses and tones up her gums - and also the protein in the meat won't hurt either!

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/12/2014

Hey Pam!

Not Om, but since I am online, ACV is apple cider vinegar. The therapeutic stuff is raw, unfiltered, organic, and contains live cultures, ie 'with the mother'.

Probiotics are the beneficial bacteria that normally populate a healthy gut. Three rounds of antibiotics has decimated your dog's healthy internal flora, so you need to introduce new bacteria to repopulate her gut. There are special pet products you can buy - certain strains of acidophilus, but I find it is easiest to just go to the refrigerated section at the health food store and but what is on sale! And then rotate the brands so that you provide a variety of strains of bacteria. If nothing else a trip to the drug store for 'Shiff's Digestive Advantage' would be a start. Sprinkle on the wet food when you feed it - but wait adding it to her meals until she is off the antibiotic she is on.

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/12/2014

She is a Min Pin - so small breed dog. I give her plain yogurt so that should help a little, will see what other kinds of food are "pre and pro bionic" She likes people food. I tried the water bottles all over but my other puppy thinks they are her toys and knocks them off. Plus there is a small water dispenser for the other pup and Josie won't go near it. I am giving her the soda water from a syringe a couple times a day and am going to do the other treatment tomorrow. I took her off the antibiotic, it wasn't working anyway.

I will cook a chicken thigh tomorrow and give her the bone - she likes lamb ears to chew on and she has lots of toys she chews. I think she actually lost a tooth yesterday so I am hoping that all those teeth are puppy teeth and she will lose them eventually, that is what the Vet thinks also. Since she is so far behind for her age maybe she is finally "catching up".

She is so much more active since I started the Mange treatment, I am thinking she is finally starting to feel better. That other person told me to do the ACV treatment but I am going to wait on that for a while if I do both the treatments (the ACV and the one for her pustules) I won't know what one worked. Besides she is really not "flaky" you have to either brush her or use your fingernail so scrap them loose. That's why I though maybe it was the dead mange coming off. The ones that come out are long, thin pieces and my fingers and the brush feels oily. If I had a microscope I would bet they were the dead mange. It doesn't look like a "dandruff" type flake.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/13/2014

Hey Pam!

I don't know what you are scraping off with your nails but it isn't dead demodex mites; I wonder if your vet could check them out? Scrape some out and drop them off for the vet to look at under the microscope - I'd be curious to know. Oily is usually seborrhea.

If Josie is super playful - what mini-pin isn't? - then lot's of tug-o-war is in order. A simple rag or old sock and you are set. You can also teach 'take it' and 'drop it' while you work those teeth loose!

Another thought on the water bowl would be a cookie sheet. The challenge would be to find gradually smaller and smaller sheets, and then to increase the depth of the sheets gradually until you go from jelly roll to brownie pan.

The yogurt is the right idea, but IMHO you pack more bang for the buck going straight for the encapsulated form of probiotic/acidophilus.

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/13/2014

What is IMHO?

We do play tug of war with a sock and ropes. I use a small very swallow bowl now for the formula, which she will drink but if I put water in that bowl she still won't touch it. She smells it then walks away never to return....

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/13/2014

Hey Pam!

IMHO = In My Honest/Humble Opinion....

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/14/2014

Is there an address I can send pictures, maybe if you see her you'll have a better idea as to what I am talking about.

EC: HI Pam,

You can send photos to staff (at) earthclinic.com and we can post them in your thread.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/15/2014

Do show the retained teeth if you can :-)

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/15/2014

When we got her this is what her skin looked like. No hair on neck and belly. her eyes were half open and the whiteish hair on her cheeks and the tips of her ears. The whiteish hair is what I was referring to when I said I can use my fingernail and scrap it loose. Then is almost looks like dandruff but it's oily.

This is her neck area today - notice ears are healed and eyes are open - less white around them and the cheeks have gotten better but the whitish stuff is still there.

I can't seem to get a good picture of the spots on her back - they were pussy, bloody pimple type spots and then the hair was gone on those spots, doesn't seem to be growing back in either.

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/20/2014

Anybody have any idea what this could be, if it's not Demodectic Mange? She does not itch unless she has collar on. Any ideas as to how to treat this? The Mange treatments seems to be helping, the white areas around her face and eyes are going away but the neck area seems to be worse. Sorry could not get any clear pictures of her double rows of teeth both top and bottom, she refused to cooperate!

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/20/2014

Hey Pam!

Sounds like your min-pin has seborrhea:

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-seborrhea

Your dog's case could be considered 'secondary seborrhea' because it appears in connection with the demodex.

The bloody pustules on the back could be allergies or could be staph. If the scabs are healing over, I would give it time for the hair to come back.

I would certainly continue with the baking soda water as alkalizing often helps overcome some allergy symptoms.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/20/2014

Hey Pam!

I would offer the raw/rare beef rib bones for the shark mouth; chicken thigh bones are good for the molars, but for pulling out retained shark teeth you need sinew and cartilage, so give a beef bone or T bone if you can.

I think the itching with the collar is normal; I would make sure the collar is smooth on the inside, so there is no irritation caused by the collar. Do keep in mind that any attention you pay to her when she scratches only serves to reinforce the behavior, so ignore her when she has the collar on - she may quit the behavior in a few days if you simply ignore it. Can't hurt to try!

And I think you may be dealing with secondary seborrhea - I posted on it below.

Replied by Om
Hope, Bc Canada
07/20/2014

Hi Pam --- it may be a simple thing such as disinfecting the collar and immersing it in the mite treatment.

Hope this helps.

Namaste, Om

Replied by Pam
Shawano, Wi
07/20/2014

So how do I treat the 'secondary seborrhea'. I gave her the Anti staph/anti fungal treatment, should I continue with this? I am also doing the Mange treatment 2 times a week now (it seems to be helping). I bathe her with medicated shampoo and have been rinsing with the diluted ACV. The sores are healed - just no hair yet. Plus she has not gotten any new ones since I started the Mange treatments. I have been giving her water with baking soda also. I gave her a chicken thigh bone and she shredded it in minutes. Will look for beef bone, all the stores here get boneless meat so no one has beef bones, even the restaurants use the boneless meat. Will keep looking for beef bone.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/21/2014

Hey Pam!

Please read up on seborrhea in dogs:

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-seborrhea

http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/integumentary_system/seborrhea/overview_of_seborrhea.html

You mention bathing your dog in medicated shampoo; depending on the shampoo, you may already be doing what is needed to treat the seborrhea. If this were my dog I might continue with the anti-staph dips for another couple of weeks just to ensure the skin is truly clear from any staph or yeast infection.

The beef ribs don't sell as well as the pork ribs, so most grocery stores do not regularly carry them, but most stores are able to place special orders with their suppliers - or you might just cut to the chase and see if Pingels on Main Street carries them.

Replied by Rachel
Austin, Tx
07/22/2014

Hello Pam! I feed my dog raw bones. I have given lamb and beef bones and plan to incorporate chicken as well. A holistic vet in my area has suggested starting dogs on chicken necks first, especially the smaller breeds. Feed them raw; there is no risk of salmonella to the dog (only to humans). I found the bones at my local farmer's market. Check with your local farmer's market.


Posted by Joe (Wirral) on 06/26/2014
1 out of 5 stars

Is using distilled water alongside the hydrogen peroxide & borax essential to the effectiveness of the demodectic mange treatment?

I have been using de-ionised water instead but am yet to see any improvement in my dogs skin after 6 dips, thanks.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/27/2014

Hey Joe!

My experience with using Ted's Mange Remedy is that if after 6 dips - and I use filtered tap water to mix mine up - if you aren't seeing any progress you are not dealing with mange.

What symptoms, exactly, are you seeing in your dog?

Replied by Joe
Wirral
06/27/2014

Thanks for the prompt reply, I'm pretty certain it's demodectic mange. He was diagnosed with it 6 months ago after skin scrapings and was treated using a mitaban dip which did seem to work very well, although I suspect we didn't do enough of them to clear the mites completely and over recent months they've started to proliferate again.

His paws are balding red and flakey, his chest is balding red and warm to the touch and he has some boils around his muzzle but there is no itching or discomfort whatsoever - exactly the same symptoms as last time. I've also dealt with sarcoptic mange before so know it's definitely not that.

I just wanted to avoid sedating him for more skin scrapings at the vet and using the toxic dip again which will only suppress his immunity further. This seemed to be the perfect solution (which I still believe it is reading through the comments) when executed correctly.

I think I did read among the comments here that if you don't use distilled water the minerals in normal water will 'override' either the H202 or the borax, so to speak.

It's not that bad at the moment so I have time on my side before heading back to the vets, perhaps I should start again using only distilled, or filtered water?

Lastly, I was adding between 5-10 tablespoons of borax to the solution which seemed a fair amount, should that be enough? Thanks in advance...

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/27/2014

Hey Joe!

I think your problem might be the ratio - it sounds off to me.

This is what I do. I buy the hydrogen peroxide from the grocery store- it comes in a brown bottle, it is 16 oz, and it is a 3% strength. I get the borax from the laundry aisle - it should be plain with NO scent [not sure if they make a scented but just in case, you want the plain]. I usually have a gallon jug to mix in. I pour the hydrogen peroxide into the jug and I refill the hydrogen peroxide bottle with water twice [so add 32 ounces of water] and empty into the jug. You now have 48 ounces of a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution. To this I then add 1 heaping cup of borax. You should see unmelted crystals of borax in the mix. If you do NOT see undissolved borax crystals in the jug then you are not using enough borax. So add the heaping cup of borax and MORE so the crystals stop dissolving; this is what is called a 'saturated' solution - and is the strength required for best results.

I usually fill tub with warm water and set the jug in the warm water, and then I bathe my dog normally with no special shampoo; I rinse well, and then pull the plug and let the tub drain. I use my hands to 'squeegee' my dog's coat to get as much water as I can out of the coat. Once the dog is hand dry and the tub empty, I plug the stopper in and then pour the now nice and warm jug of borax solution over the dog. I keep a plastic cup handy and use that to scoop up solution from the bottom of the tub to pour back onto the dog. I have a wash cloth that I use to sop up the solution so I can get the head and ears saturated with solution as well. Keep the dog in the tub for at least 10 minutes - the longer the better, 30 minutes is ideal IMHO. Keep pouring the solution over and over. After 10-30 minutes I put the soaking wet dog into a crate with no bedding and let the dog air dry for half an hour. During this time the wet solution is still working. Turn up the heat, cover the crate with a blanket - do what you can to make your dog comfy while you wait out the next half an hour. After that I allow the dog out to fully air dry and may rub down with a towel to work off the undissolved borax crystals.

If your dog is as bad as you say, I would use this stronger solution every other day for three dips and see if you see any improvement. When I did this my own dog felt better immediately - she got the puppy zoomies all over the house! Her spots of demodex appeared to get worse - that happens because the mites are having a massive die off - but then got better with each dip. I did three dips the first week, and then once a week after that for a total of 12 weeks. I continued dipping even after she looked 100%, this just to be sure I got all the mites as this is what the directions for the Mitaban say.

I agree - Mitaban can really jack your dog's immune system. You might also consider Pet Tabs or vitamin C to boost the immune system during this time. Echinacea boosted with C is also something to consider. I find these products not at a pet store but in the human health food stores or vitamin shops.

Finally, it would not hurt to alkalize your dog's system by adding baking soda to her filtered tap water. I start off with 1 teaspoon per 3 liters of water and then increase over 3 days to 1 teaspoon to 1 liter of water and give that for 5 days - and then cut down to one half teaspoon of baking soda per liter of water as a maintenance dose during the run of the mange treatment.

Try the correct ration/stronger solution and report back. I would not be surprise if secondary staph infection were present, and Ted has a remedy for that too.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/27/2014

Hey Joe!

The borax is a miticide, and hydrogen peroxide acts as a penetrant; using water with minerals shouldn't negate this process, however I would use filtered tap water as the chlorine may have an undesired influence to the mix - JMHO!

Replied by Joe
Wirral
06/27/2014

Hi and thanks again for the detailed reply! I definitely have the ratios correct: 2:1 water to 3% H202.

I have only been formulating 1.5 litres in total so the 5-10 tablespoons was actually quite a lot and there was definitely plenty of undissolved borax crystals left at the bottom, even of the dog after bathing!

I guess I'll just keep trying, I'll up the borax level and try and keep him in the bath a little longer, although I'm pretty thorough as it is as I'm a professional cleaner!

Secondary infection thankfully hasn't set in yet, it did last time so I know what to look for!

And yes, I've got him on a powdered vit & mineral supplement as well as an omega 3 salmon oil supplement to try and boost immunity, next is trying 'Origin' grain free feed. It's all rather frustrating!

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/27/2014

Hey Joe!

What kind of dog do you have, and how old? I have 25 lb frenchies and I can't seem to get out of making at least a gallon of the dip at a time.

In chronic cases of demodex there is often another disease component at play - does your dog have any other issues?

And Orijen may or may not be your magic ticket - I know when I fed it my dogs lost condition, got poor coats. We currently feed Fromm and switch around the various grain free diets they offer.

Do consider adding the baking soda to the water. Also consider a topical application of essential oil of lavender; dilute with a carrier oil such as olive oil or coconut oil - just a few drops will go a long way; you might also try a few drops in a rinse after a bath. Lavender is calming for the skin and some folks with demodex dogs have good success with it.

Replied by Joe
Wirral
06/28/2014

3 year old Bull Terrier, so well known for skin issues, although as stated, I'm certain this is demodex. Yes I should probably make up more solution (which I will from now on) but I have assured I've repeatedly saturated him in the bath with what I had.

He's a rescue dog and the demodex first showed itself 6 months after rehoming. I understand it can indicate deeper issues but it can also take hold if the dog has been stressed, I.e rehomed, vaccinated, neutered and microchipped all in a short period of time, not to mention perhaps being fed an incorrect diet!

It doesn't seem to bother him in the slightest and he's perfectly healthy and happy in every other respect, which is why I was hoping this would work!

I definitely think diet is a considerable contributory factor as despite being built like tanks, they're very sensitive dogs!

I'm also going to switch to the apple cider vinegar as the H202 is bleaching his dark coat so much so people are commenting!

Replied by Joe
Wirral
06/28/2014

If I was to use vinegar in place of the H202 to prevent bleaching, would it be used at the same ratios i.e one part vinegar to two parts water or could it be used neat?

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/28/2014

Hey Joe!

I have never used the formula with vinegar instead of hydrogen peroxide, so I cannot comment on efficacy. I would think, after using vinegar myself to rinse a dog after a shampoo to neutralize any soap residue, that if there are any abrasions on the skin that it would sting; I know the remedy using the hydrogen peroxide does not sting my cuts when I am dipping a dog. IMHO a bleached brindle coat is a small price to pay for a cure - again JMHO.

I find it very odd that a 3 year old BT is breaking with demodex; again this is a sign that the immune system has experienced a major stress - however it might be a good idea to run blood panels to see if there is something else going on [and you mentioned your vet is waiting for test results so I assume this is what you are doing- looking deeper].

Do keep us posted!

Replied by Joe
Wirral
06/29/2014

I think you're right a bleached coat is a small price to pay, so I'll stick with the H202!

He hasn't had any blood tests as of yet, I know that's what the vets will want to do if I take him back. To be fair, he was never mite free in the first place, as I stopped the mitaban dips after the second skin scraping revealed a reduction in mite count from seven live adult to one dead nymph. Looking back now, I should have continued until we had the two consecutive negative scrapings needed to report a 'cure'.

Since the cessation of the mitaban dips 6 months ago I think the small remainder of mites we missed have slowly proliferated to bring him back to the same stage today.

Again, I strongly believe this is to do with a grain based diet and so want to give him some time on a decent grain free feed before paying for expensive and perhaps unnecessary tests.

I'm going to give him another course of full saturation, twice weekly borax treatments over 3-4 weeks to run the life cycle of the mite and if theres no improvement I'll take him back, although another diagnosis of demodex with no underlying issues will be rather frustrating considering the huge amount of positive results with Ted's treatment posted here!

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/29/2014

Hey Joe!

Demodex occurring in a three year old adult due to a grain based diet is pretty unusual. Sure, under stress such as rehoming - in a young puppy - is fairly coming, but three years old = look for something like hypothyroid - JMHO.

IMHO rather than doing twice the amount of dips of 3-4 weeks, you might consider dipping twice/three times the first week, and then weekly for a total of 12 weeks; this nails down the fully life cycle of the mites. If the feet are particularly affected, ie pododemidecosis - you might have him stand two feet or even one foot at a time in a small, deep pan for half an hour at a shot; this might help to resolve his poor feet a tad sooner.

Also consider alkalizing by adding the baking soda to his water - it can't hurt, and it might be just what is needed to help your boy turn the tide on the mites.

Do keep us posted on your results!


Posted by Calgal (Norwalk, Ca) on 06/21/2014

My 4 yr mix has a bad smell and is itching badly. She itches do bad sometimes she can't sit still.

Not sure if mange and I'm just don't have the budget to see the vet. I called him as we are regular clients and it will cost over a 100 just to run the tests on her.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/21/2014

Hey Calgal!

My feeling from what you described is NOT mange - more like systemic yeast infection.

Couple things you can do. Bathe your dog - daily for the first week if need be - in Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy.

Also add one eighth to one quarter teaspoon of Borax to one liter of your dog's regular drinking water. If your dog tolerates this well you could consider adding the same amount of Epsom salt along with the Borax; I would do this for 5-7 days, and then reduce to the Borax only in the smallest amount. You can also try baking soda - one teaspoon to one liter of water and this as your dog's only drinking water for 5-7 days, and then you can reduce to one half teaspoon per liter as a maintenance dose.

Lastly, look at what you are feeding your dog - read the ingredient panel on the food bag. If the first 10 ingredients are corn/grain or plant based, then the diet could be a huge factor in your dog's systemic yeast infection. Consider a RAW or homemade diet [google for recipies] or looking for an upgrade to the kibble you are feeding -try searching out diets at dogfoodadvisor.com.

Try this and report back!

Replied by Danielle
Nj, Usa
07/31/2014

Hey. I was actually in the same exact position as you are with your pup. I picked up a 3 year old stray shar-pei back in November who had a terrible odor and a grey patch of skin on his chest. When we took him to the vet, they did a skin scrape and determined that the grey skin was probably an allergy problem and was not mange. She gave us a medicated antifungal shampoo and it mostly cleared up in a few weeks. Because sharpei's have a lot of skin folds, they tend to have a lot of skin problems. His Grey itchy skin started to come back around March. It started on his chest and then soon started spreading all over his body. He looked like an elephant with crusty growths all over his chest, face, neck, belly, thighs, armpits, butt, and front and back paws. He lost all his hair in those areas and would scratch at, bite, and lick uncontrollably. In addition, he became significantly less playful and would often refuse to eat his food. I felt really bad because as a college student I can't afford $200-$300 vet visits all the time. I was desperately searching for something that would help, and had tried everything from reusing the antifungal shampoo, to changing to premium (read expensive) grain free, high protein food, feeding him benadryl twice a day to keep the itching at bay, to feeding him coconut oil and rubbing Aloe pulp on the skin. I started to worry when I read many stories online about others who were in similar situations and never found a solution and had to have their pups put down, and was starting to fear I would eventually have to do the same. Finally I found this mange bath and decided to give it a try since it is antifungal and I suspected that Cooper's skin problems were essentially a giant yeast infection that spiraled out of control. Low and behold... It worked! A day after the first bath his skin already began turning pink again on his belly, neck, chest, and butt. His odor is gone. After a week, he is eating regularly again and his skin has improved dramatically. I just gave him a second bath yesterday and he isn't itching at all. I used a bath mitt that was soft on one side and exfoliating on the other to really rub the solution in... No extra oils or anything else needed. I can't even begin to describe the feeling of seeing your dog suffer so much and finally finding a solution that will help him return to life as normal. I wanted to cry when I saw his pink skin and hair returning. I can finally give him a nice rub on his belly or scratch on the back without him flying into a itching frenzy. This solution may have saved my dog's life. In a few weeks he might even be able to return to the dog park who knows. I'm not sure if my dog had mange or just a skin infection, but I know I'm glad I took the chance. Good luck!

P. S. I would strongly advise buying a cone, you don't want them licking that stuff off.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
07/31/2014

Hey Danielle!

The cone is not needed - it is OK for your dog to lick the solution, however it is most effective when left to air dry.

In addition to the baths, you could also try alkalizing his drinking water by adding one half a teaspoon of baking soda to 1 liter of water and have that be his only drinking water.


Posted by Andy (San Diego, Ca) on 06/17/2014

Hello all. The vet diagnosed my 4 month old pup with demodectic mange and prescribed antibitotics and ivermectin. He also recommended a medicated bath done by the vet every 2 weeks, but I was reluctant to do so, so I resulted to this borax/hydrogen peroxide solution that I found.

I followed the instructions precisely, and today, her pinkish skin on her chest area is dark red. Is this normal? I also see that there are a lot of flakey matter on her coat. Please advise.

Thanks, Andy

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/18/2014

Hey Andy!

You don't say how many treatments your puppy has had- was it just one treatment so far? Remember that you need to treat for at least 10-12 weeks, and I usually start out by dipping every other day for three treatments the first week, and then weekly there after for 10 to 12 weeks - so continue treatment for another 3-4 weeks even though everything looks resolved and normal skin.

In my experience the dark red is typical - there is a reason why demodex is commonly referred to as "red mange" - and you are seeing it.

The flakey skin has not been my experience using Ted's mange remedy - and I have used it bunches. There may be other issues going on. What breed of dog is your puppy and what diet are you feeding?

Thanks!


Posted by Jumbieman (Canada) on 06/15/2014

I have been using the hydrogen peroxide borax treatment on my dog for about three months and I cannot see any improvement.

When I first started I did the treatment once a week. There are times that missed. Last week I have stepped up to treating the dog once every two days and the dog appears to be getting worst.

What I am seeing visibly and extracting of the dog especially at the base follicles is what appears to be a waxy texture which actually adheres to the surface of the bathtub. It literally sticks to the tub and I usually have to use a hard spray or use my fingernails to scrape this waxy substance out. When I feel this on the dog, it feels like a scab with many follicles all clumped together. When I pull it out, obviously the skin breaks and there is slight bleeding. The problem here is that the hydrogen peroxide clots the blood and leaves a scar.

The dog has a sort of whitish semi-circle around it's eyes and the waxy substance is most prevalent.

I have not taken the dog to the vet as yet but am planning to do so this week.

From what I have written, would this be demodex? Jumbieman

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/15/2014

Hey Jumbieman!

What you describe does NOT sound like demodex at all, particularly as it has not responded to treatment over three months.

The waxy secretions are more in line with Seborrhea. Do yes see your vet for a definitive diagnoses and report back what you find please.

Replied by Jumbieman
Canada
06/27/2014

Here's a follow-up to my post.

Took the dog to the vet today. Dog temperature was high normal. On examination was was found to have infected eyes and ears. Lymph nodes were swollen and vet assured that it was not cancer related. Did not want to commit himself to a diagnosis until he cultured some samples.

He took various samples including skin scrapings and some other samples which are being sent to the laboratory. He also took some samples for demodex which he was able to process in his office.

The sample for demodex came back positive.

He prescribed medication for demodex - Ivermectin different dosages every day.

For the other infections Zeniquin, Maxitrol, and Otomax.

He indicated to me that the dog's immune system is completely out of quack and wants to wait for results of the samples he took. Since this is a long holiday weekend, he would not get back the results for another 10 days in which I have a follow-up visit.

In the meantime, I will try to help the dog's immune system by using turmeric, garlic and wild fish liver oil.

I will keep you all apprised.

Thanks for all of your concerns. J

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
06/27/2014

Thanks for the update J!

Please let us know of test results - very interested to know why the demodex is so resistant in your dog.


Posted by Kevin (In) on 05/26/2014
5 out of 5 stars

Ted's mange cure is a godsend. I have a english bulldog who started itching badly and had a small patch of hairloss on his back. I took him to the vet, who said it was a food allergy. She was wrong, the condition kept getting worse, even when I changed protiens in my dogs diet. I decided to try ted's mange cure instead of getting the toxic dip from the vet. I did it twice the first week, then once a week after that just to be sure. It worked just like he said it would. His hair started growing back in 3 weeks, you have to be patient and get those pores unclogged before this will happen. The peroxide opens the pores and cleans them out. I also ordered some diatomacious earth from amazon to put on his hair and all over the carpet and floors in my house. I vacum it up every couple days. You need to get the food grade of diatomacious earth. It is non toxic to dogs and humans. This stuff does wonders for killing mites, fleas, ticks and anything else with a exoskeleton. My conclusion, be patient and follow the directions for teds mange cure, and it just might help your pet and save you alot of money in return. It is alot safer then that expensive toxic dip your vet will give you. Hope this helps.


Posted by Jermaine (Ventura, Ca) on 05/23/2014
5 out of 5 stars

The Borax and Peroxide treatment works like a charm! I have an Akita who just recently turned 1. We went to the vet because Romeo had hair missing from his armpits and belly. We thought it was an allergy. The vet checked for mites but found nothing. The hair loss continue to progress all over his body and we had Romeo checked for S.A. It got to the point where the poor dog was miserable so I started doing research on-line to find a solution. Someone had gone through the same steps I had and insisted it was mites and recommended the Borax and Peroxide treatment. I mix 32oz of Peroxide 3% with 64oz of warm water. I then add 1 cup of Borax (the brand I use is 20 Mule Team). I put that into a spray bottle and apply after a bath with anti bacterial soap. I do this every 5-6 days. In 1 month his hair started to grow back. We are now at 3 months and you can barely tell that he ever lost any hair. This works!


Posted by Yolanda (Quito, Ecuador) on 05/22/2014
0 out of 5 stars

I did the Ted's Mange Remedy for the first time today on my dog, Toffee, which had on her hairless open sores on lower back oozing and red. After applying the remedy, all instructions followed, the sores seems to be stinging much and she was like wanting relief and whining. Most posts say remedy is harmless and painless. But she seemed to be hurting much. Will it happen again when I repeat treatment? Please let me know what to expect next. Thank you.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
05/22/2014

Hey Yolanda!

I've used Ted's Mange Remedy countless times and it has never pained my animals. That said, my animals never had open, weeping lesions on their body during treatment. The hydrogen peroxide can sting a bit on open wounds, however in this case it would seem beneficial for your dog despite the stinging.

I have to ask - are you sure your dog has mange? Have you gone to the vet for a scraping to confirm mites? Many times hairless, open sores on the lower back are related to a flea infestation. It would be wise for you to explore this possibility and do what you can to eliminate fleas in the areas where your dog stays. Borax sprinkled on the ground will help eliminate fleas, and some find adding a small amount of Borax in the dogs drinking water also helps eliminate fleas [dosage 1/16 of a teaspoon into 1 liter of water].

Replied by Lizzy
Asheville, Nc
05/22/2014

Hi Yolanda, I agree with Theresa that you should get this diagnosed by a vet. It could also be pyoderma, something I am struggling with on one of my dogs. Perhaps you can look up both conditions on Google images and see if you can match it.

Replied by Om
Hope, Bc. Canada
05/22/2014

Yolanda from Quit, Ecuador --- maybe you want to spray those sores with aloe vera or even with chamomile tea. I use UT with great results but not everyone does this. Then, you can mix turmeric with VCO and be not so sparingly with the yellow stuff. Later, you can clean the skin again with Aloe Vera. See how it works. If it is flea related, use orange essential oil as in household products. It works for me.

Namaste, Om

EC: Hi Om, by UT, do you mean Urine Therapy?

Replied by Julie
Pa, US
05/29/2014

Some dogs that have mange get a skin infection due to the mange which is the open sores . You need an antibiotic for that along with ted's treatment . I took my dog to the vet for mange and the medicine they gave him was a oral liquid and it almost killed him. The medicine caused him to become blind . the vet said it wasn't the medicine making him not able to see. Well, we stopped the medicine and he got his sight back. So we decided to stick to a safer way of curing the mange, borax, water and vinegar. Thankful for the internet.


Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee, Usa) on 04/01/2014

Hi,

We just figured out that we have a goat with mange. It is near his eyes. We are using Ted's remedy with borax and peroxide, but I am concerned about getting it in his eyes. It this bad to get in the eyes? Would there be a safer alternative?

I am planning to use garlic internally and also put borax in the water.

I have read that I can use tea tree essential oil (1 T. per cup of water) on mange, but that doesn't sound good around the eye either.

Thanks!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
04/02/2014

Hey MtM!

I've made up gallon upon gallon of Ted's Mange remedy and splashed it all over my face - into my eyes - with no adverse effects; in fact, I don't feel anything from it, no stinging at all. It might be different if you were to soak your eyeball in the solution for 10 minutes, but getting it splashed into the eye was not a problem for me.

A remedy that has a bit more 'body' to it would be sulpher powder with a carrier oil. Not sure if it would annoy the goat and cause it to rub its face and possibly smear the sulpher into its eye, however.

Replied by Mama To Many
Tennessee, Usa
04/02/2014

Dear Theresa,

Thanks so much for your response and information. That is very helpful! I will let you all know how it turns out for Cinnamon. :)

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Mama To Many
Tennessee
05/14/2014

Hi!

Our goat, Cinnamon, appears to be cured! We used Ted's mange remedy several times over a couple of weeks. (But we didn't bathe her in it, she is too big. We washed her with it.) We also gave her garlic internally a couple of times a week. We also used tea tree essential oil. (1 Tablespoon tea tree per cup of water.) My son found the tea tree/ water spray to be the easiest. He did this a number of times over the last month or 6 weeks.

So, I am not sure just what worked or if all three were needed. But the mange is gone and the fur is growing back. Cinnamon is happy and so are we!

~Mama to Many~


Posted by Thunderpaw (St Joseph, Mi) on 12/02/2013

My 8 year old golden has a serious case of demodicosis (adult onset) that we have been treating for about a month with no success. Has the remedy of borax and hydrogen peroxide solution been tried on demodecosis? Any success? If yes, do you follow the say treatment pattern?

borax per 500 cc of 1% hydrogen peroxide solutionborax per 500 cc of 1% hydrogen peroxide solution

borax per 500 cc of 1% hydrogen peroxide solution

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
12/03/2013

Hey Thunderpaw!

Can you clarify please, if you have treated for 1 month with the borax/peroxide solution and no results?, OR if you have treated in another fashion with no results?

Next, I am confused by the formula you listed. I have treated juvenile generalized demodicosis with Ted's remedy with 100% success - this is the formula I used:

1 16 oz brown bottle of 3% solution hydrogen peroxide from grocery store.

I dumped that into a jug and then added 2 bottles of filtered tap water using the now empty brown bottle from the hydrogen peroxide, giving me 48 oz of 1% hydrogen peroxide solution.

Now, into the jug full of 1% solution I add 1 full cup of borax [from the laundry aisle at the grocery store]. Shake it up - there should be so MUCH borax in the solution that some grains remain and do not dissolve.

I then fill my bath tub with very warm water and set the jug in the tub; by the time the tub cools down enough to comfortably bathe the dog, the contents of the jug are nicely warmed also. Now bathe the dog with the shampoo of your choice and then rinse all the shampoo out. I drain the tub and when all the shampoo and water have drained, I plug it up again so it will again hold water. Then I shake up the solution in the jug and pour it all over the dog. I then use a plastic cup to scoop up the solution in the bottom of the tub and then pour that over the dog. Do this again and again, re-wetting the dog with the grainy solution, for at least 10 minutes. Next part: do NOT rinse the solution off the dog. Take your sopping wet dog and put him in a crate with no bedding; you want as much solution to remain wet on the dog while he sits in the crate - give it another half an hour in the crate to allow the solution to 'work'. After half an hour I let my dog out and towel dry, and then let him shake the grains of borax out of his coat. It helps to turn the heat up in the house so the dog isn't freezing while sitting wet in the crate. I have doubled the batch of solution simply because its so inexpensive and it makes it easier to saturate a big dog.

You should dip your dog in this solution every other day - 2 to 3 times the first week; after the first week do once per week for 8 weeks. If you have a black dog the coat will bleach to a reddish hue due to the bleaching nature of the peroxide.

The dip should work be it juvenile demodex or adult onset; the mite is the same mite. However with adult onset demodex an underlying disease condition affecting the immune system is at play; removing the mites will bring your pet relief, but the illness that depressed the immune system to allow the mites to over grow still remains and will need to be diagnosed and addressed.



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