Borax for Mange - Ted's Remedy for Demodectic and Sarcoptic Mange

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Posted by Lissette (Dallas, Tx) on 03/07/2015
5 out of 5 stars

Hi everyone. First I want to say: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOD BLESS YOU ALL for this website. Ted, you are the man!!! I normally don't write reviews/post, but this is more than deserving. My Scottish Terrier Wallace (2 y/o) has been suffering from skin problems for MONTHS. His pain has been agonizing to him and to me. I suspected a skin parasite a while back after doing some research on line. Two different vets diagnosed Wallace with skin allergies. One sold me a $40 small spray that was supposed to calm things down, but it only delayed the scratching process for 2-3mins. Wallace suffered so much from this... He would scratch CONSTANTLY/NON-STOP at all time even throughout the night unable to sleep. It would break my heart... There would be times I would wake up at 2am and he would be awake scratching himself. It seemed things got worse on his skin after baths (even though we were using "gentle" and medicated shampoos. At first the scratching was just that, but throughout the weeks it escalated into mutilating himself, biting/scratching to the point of severe hot spots with bleeding/hair loss. I started noticing some scabs and redness on his skin particularly his back, neck, head and shoulder area. He also had some (not much) on his belly.

After reading blogs in this God-sent website I realized the symptoms and descriptions from other people pointed at skin parasites like Scabies. We have two other dogs and they seem to be unaffected so I'm not sure what's going on there. All our dogs are inside dogs but only Wallace was affected... People talked about diets so much, but we cook for our dogs and supplement his diet with Professional formula of the Missing Link. Recently we have been giving them plain greek yogurt with penut butter/chia seeds and flax seed oil. (they love it). However, for many months they have been getting vitamin E and Fish oil supplements yet the skin problem in Wallace was still there...

Anyways, I was treating this problem with all kinds of topical oils (avocado, pure vitamin E, coconut oil, jojoba oil), itch-relievers, and nothing worked until last night. I ordered the supplies from amazon after reading several opinions in this forum. This is what I did: I wetted Wallace with warm water, then I applied a Tea Tree Oil (Melaleuca) shampoo + orange oil. I massaged that into his skin then I rinsed it off with Ted's Fantastic Miracle Borax Solution (1L water: 0.5L hydrogen peroxide: 3 tablespoons of Borax). I made him a total of 3 L of solution. after that I rinsed it off with warm water. I toweled him dry and just observed.... THE ITCHING WAS GONE!!! Even Wallace seemed surprised by it bc I think since this itching has been going on for so long, he turned like he was going to bite his back but then he realized it wasn't itching. He slept like a baby. I'm so grateful.... Our lives are blessed by this miracle remedy<3 <3 I will keep doing this 3 times per week until everything is gone. Thank you all so much.

@ Ted: I can't thank you enough. God bless you for sharing this with the rest of us.!!! Also, I want to share that before I did the Borax/hydrogen peroxide bath, I bathed Wallace with Tea Tree oil shampo and pure tea tree oil on his skin. that seemed to help him quite a bit more than the other stuff I've used before, but it was not until last night that I saw a breakthrough. Thank you all <3


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Posted by Nugent99 (Australia) on 03/02/2015

Hi Ted, my dog has been diagnosed with the nasty mange mite and through your remedy is starting to feel much better. My indoor cat has also started to show symptoms of hair loss and weight loss. Please tell me how to dip wash her without a trip to emergency for me. I have been rubbing a cloth over her with the solution and wondering if this is enough.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
03/03/2015

Hey Nugent99!

Not Ted here, but in case he doesn't visit this thread I am offering advice.

You do not say which mange mite your dog has - demodectic or sarcoptic; I will assume demodectic as your vet would have advised you of the highly contagious nature of sarcoptic mange. Thus if your dog has demodectic mange mites you and your cat have a 99.99999999% chance of contracting them. I really doubt your cat is suffering the same affliction as your dog. Weight loss is not a typical symptom of demodectic mange - however it is the sign of other disease conditions such as diabetes and renal disease. My advice to you is to take your cat to your vet - do it now before it is an emergency. If you wait until it becomes an emergency it will be a far more expensive bill, and your options will be drastically limited- JMHO.

Good luck with your kitty and please keep us posted on your dog.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
03/03/2015

Gah! I meant to post you have a next to zero percent chance of contracting demodectic mange - not you have a near 100% chance of contracting demdex. Sorry for the error!

Replied by Pat
(Fl.)
10/21/2015

With the borax, and h2o2 do I add water to fill up the gallon?

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/23/2015

Hello Pat!

You don't add water to fill up the gallon; that is going to dilute your solution too much and will skew and delay your results.

You start by mixing up 1 batch per the directions and then if one batch isn't going to cover the amount of dog you have, you make up another batch which will fill the gallon jug.

So the formula again:

Borax laundry booster - the plain stuff with NO scent.
1 -16 oz bottle of 3% hydrogen peroxide

I get both of these from the grocery store.

Process:
Empty hydrogen peroxide into larger bottle - I use an empty 1 gallon vinegar jug. Add to this 32 oz filtered or distilled water - I just refill the hydrogen peroxide bottle twice - and dump into the jug. What this does is change your 3% hydrogen peroxide into 1% hydrogen peroxide.

Next add 1 cup of the borax crystals and shake. There should be some undissolved crystals in the mixed solution - this is just right. If this isn't enough solution to fully saturate your pet, make a second batch and add to the jug so you have enough solution at the start of the process to fully saturate your pet.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Roze (Tulsa, Ok) on 02/11/2015
4 out of 5 stars

I have been using Ted's Mange Treatment and I have seen great improvement on several occasions. I have even thought I have had a cure. My poor fur baby is an older dog and it seems to always come back. She does not seem to be in any discomfort, no Pain or Itching. Just bumps and spots of hair loss.

This last time when the bumps returned she had been in fabulous shape for about a month. I was so happy.

I got up one morning and all was fine and that night I could see bumps and lots of them. I thought about all the natural treatments out there and came up with a plan.

I got up the next morning and began the routine that I have been following now for a week and a half.

I bath her with Benzoyl Peroxide on Saturday and after lathering her up I leave it sit on her for 5 minutes. It is pretty strong and drying so, then the next day is an off day. Monday I give her ACV rinse and thoroughly soak her and not use a towel to dry her. Tuesday is the Peroxide/Borax day. Wednesday is an off day. Thursday and Friday she gets ACV soak down.

I have seen this most recent round on her break down and such a vast improvement over prior episodes and this time there is speed to visible improvement. I will continue with this schedule until all is cleared up and then for 30-45 days after I see complete healing.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
02/12/2015

Hey Roze!

Demodectic mange is typically a puppy affliction and when seen in mature or senior animals is typically associated with another underlying condition, ie hypothyroid, cancer, etc.

From what you describe it sounds as if your dog has a skin allergy or has hives due to an allergic reaction to something - be it food, contact or airborne allergy.

Ways to fight allergies might be oral supplementation with colostrum to build the immune system, along with yucca or quercetin to reduce inflamation; these supplements need time to work so you may have to feed ongoing and it may take 6 weeks to see results.

Another approach might be alkalizing your dog's drinking water; 1 teaspoon baking soda to 1 quart of water is a typical starting dose.

Because you are getting results with your aggressive bathing regime once you have achieved the healing you are after, for NEXT TIME consider using Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph dip at the first onset of the hives and see if just using that does the trick.

Replied by Diamond
(Ma.)
01/11/2016

Try diatomaceous earth (food grade) It's a dry powder and works great on my two dogs.I also changed their diets over to meats(cooked) rice & veggies for approx. a week then I use different meat and un-sweetened oatmeal(needs to be cooked) and veggies.


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Posted by Shawna (Newberg, Or) on 02/06/2015
5 out of 5 stars

We rescued a puppy this last summer, aside from the MANY visits to the VET because of kennel cough she then got Mange, fairly localized to neck and chest area. The Vet had me using the standard Ivermectin, but even after 5 months it was not doing anything, I then added Neem oil, which helped but then I found Ted's CURE. IT IS AMAZING!!!!!! . I have only been using it about 1 month and her mange is all but gone.Of course I will continue to use it for a while but I was amazed at the $10 I spent vs the $100's I had spent at the vet on meds that gave horrible side effects and didn't work.

Thank you so much.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Keith (Millstone Twp, Nj) on 01/29/2015

Hello, I have a dog ~7 months old. We have been dealing with demodectic mange for a few months. It started out just around his eyes it looked like it was gone and then it exploded all over his body. He now has it everywhere, he has scabs, red bumps and loss of hair everywhere. He is scratching and licking a lot. I have religiously been using the borax/peroxide solution for a week. Can you tell me what to look for if this is working? Do you know how long until I see some improvement? His chin is so raw I'm worried about infection. Thank you

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
01/30/2015

Hey Keith!

The *signs* that the remedy is working is a relaxed and happy dog. When I have dipped my dogs -either to treat for mange or as a 'go to first' dipping solution for dogs with skin issues, my dogs are always happy and energetic after a dip, and they are not itchy.

From what you describe it sounds like your dog has a secondary skin infection going on, particularly as you have been using the dip for a week now and have no obvious improved results.

If this were my dog I would head to the vet and get a prescription of antibiotics to deal with the staph infection that is going on. If that is out of the question, then I would consider Ted's Borax protocol for pets to fight the yeast from the inside out, as well as Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy to knock down the infection on the skin topically.

I would next consider the diet; if the brand you are feeding has grains in it, it is time to change the diet to a grain free brand.

Since you have been dealing with this for several months, keep in mind it will take time for your dog to heal. When I have treated generalized demodex in a puppy of similar age it took 12 weeks to fully resolve- and this without complications from a secondary skin infection.

You can help your dog's immune system by adding vitamin C to the diet, along with echinacea or golden seal to help fight infection. Supplementing Evening Primrose Oil in the kibble may help with dry skin. OTC products such as Neosporin may help with the raw chin.

If there is a chance that this is sarcoptic mange rather than demodex, you will also need to keep his bedding and living area sanitized regularly to prevent reinfection.

Please keep us posted!

Replied by Keith
(Millstone Twp, NJ)
01/31/2015

Hi, Thank you for your response. You all are awesome...really. Can you tell me or direct me to the recipe for the anti-fungal/anti-staph remedy? I believe the borax/peroxide may be helping because I have noticed after giving my pup the bath, he looks happy and zips around the house!

I have been working with a homeopathic vet who has been trying remedies of sulfur and silca, but not sure they are working. We have currently stopped remedies. Also, Zeus (my pup) is on a raw diet and taking a Number of vitamins and oils. I hesitate to use antibiotics because it is thought that prescription drugs Zeus took for worms, when he was very young, and vaccines, is what got us here in the first place....weakened immune system.

So, I think I will continue the borax/perioxide baths every other day and borax in his drinking water. The anti-fungal...paste (if I can find the recipe) Neosporin on his chin and coconut oil or castor oil on his dry skin until I see some major improvement. Does that sound right?

Again thank you for all your help. What a valuable resource you all are. Best, k

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
01/31/2015

Hey Keith!

My internet connection is terrible right now else I would find the Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy for you, but if you just do a search for it, or look at 'recent pet posts' and just scroll down and flip back a few pages it is plastered everywhere :-)

In your shoes I would NOT use the castor oil on the chin; if you strongly feel it is indicated use it sparingly as I find it as strong as pure tea tree oil.

The sulpher and silica may be working, but keep in mind that the mites have a certain life cycle so you will need to treat long term no matter the route.

If you are working with a holistic vet then keep them informed of your results; my experience with the mange remedy is that the dogs always leave the tub happy, and that the skin can appear worse before it gets better. 1 dip every other day for a total of 3 dips the first week should be enough - and then once per week thereafter for 12 weeks should do it. Dipping more often may dry out the skin. The anti-fungal/anti-staph remedy can be applied to affected areas on days that you do not dip with the mange remedy - JMHO.

Replied by Keith
(Millstone Township, Nj)
02/10/2015

Hello again, I have posted before about my dog Zeus who has demodectic mange and skin infection. I have been using the mange solution and have added the anti-fungal/staph solution to the mix. My first question is if I do the anti fungal dip, does that work on the mange as well as the infection? Also, he has now licked his paw raw and limping on it. Any ideas what to put on it. I have tried Neem oil and coconut which aren't working. I'm also using Neosporin. I'm giving him antibiotics too (with lots of probiotics)

His hair growth has not started...he looks just awful. Patience is not my strong suit. Any suggestions? Thank you.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
02/11/2015

Hey Keith!

Your first post was 1/29 and you had been attempting to home treat for a few months; have you seen *any* improvement after using Ted's remedy? Often times bad cases appear to get much worse due to a rapid die off of the mites, but then there is an uptick and things clearly improve- have you seen any signs of improvement/lack of itching/healing of the red bumps?

IMHO if you have not seen any kind of improvement it might be time to throw in the towel and use the Ivermectin approach. While this is not my first approach, when you have super resistant mites I would not hesitate to go this route.

Are you dosing the antibiotics under the guidance of your vet?

You might find slathering the paw with topical antibiotic and wrapping it in gauze and then put a human sock over the paw, and a few inches of duct tape to secure the sock in place [careful not to bind or get too tight] and leaving that on for several hours under observation - or overnight if your dog won't chew the bandage off - might give the paw the break from licking that it needs to get some healing done. If that didn't do it I would consult my vet.

You may find Ted's borax protocol helpful to get a leg up on the internal yeast:

Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 12/12/2014

"The borax dose is the same regardless of the weight of dogs. In the end small dogs drink less than large dogs. The only difference is the sex of dogs which the female dog requires half the dosages male dogs.

So a female dog is always 1/8 teaspoon per liter dose. And male dogs is 1/4 teaspoon per liter water. Weight is irrelevant.

Timing:
Borax dosage for 1 week. Then 1/2 dosage in week 2. Stop for 1 week. Resume.

or

Borax dosage for 4 days, then no borax/water for 3 to 4 days. Continue on/off schedule until ailment clears."

You can do the mange dip - and by this time you should only be doing 1 dip per week - and then follow up with the staph remedy in a spritzer bottle to spot treat affected areas without having to dip the entire dog.

Demodex dogs above all else need good groceries and supplements for immune support. Make sure you are not feeding a grocery store brand high in grains and food dyes and sugar. You might find supplementing with colostrum of additional benefit, along with vitamin C and echinacea/golden seal - discuss with your holistic vet.

Lastly, consider a high quality lavendar essential oil - dilute with pure water and put in a spritzer bottle to both spritz the skin for calming, and for the soothing effects from inhaling the fragrant air.

Replied by Om
(Hope, Bc Canada)
02/11/2015
3 out of 5 stars

Worked Temporarily

Hello Keith

If me, and I have used it with success is

1 Ted's Mange Treatment

2 Ted's anti staph solution for spraying

3 ACV on wash cloth improving the ph

4 The best : UT = your own best body blue print medicine.

5 Last NOT least, Turmeric. Dry powder

Turmeric is a natural anti biotic, excellent for skin and new blood which has largely healed my big dog's entire back which was bloody and infected. My belief is that allopathic antibiotics become precurser for candida and then cancer

My big dog had red mange and I used an essential orange oil household cleaner, spraying. It worked super well. Also, it kills fleas and keeps the skin soft.

ACV as a spray kills fleas well and you can soon see them dead all over which I did not suspect at first. But one needs to spray this at least twice a day, not so with TIKO orange spray which I think is the best but I like to use a multi pronged approach. And ACV is important as it changes the skin ph. You dilute ACV as the dog can handle.

The very best is which people shun but believe me, it is a divine remedy which is God's gift, used all over the world. On him I have used mine and he liked that. But I want to find a long handled 2nd hand pot to take his which is best. But both work. Fresh urine is sterile and does not have an odour. It heals every thing and you can research that.

I still have mites. The last lot from a garment at a big store in Canada. I have soaked a soft terry cloth and used fresh "Manava Mutra" for a month and keep at it as there is far less problem. Also :Shivambhu" as it is called in India, is the answer to all human and animal troubles, cleaning the aura which holds the roots of diseases physically and mentally. Moreover the skin will glow and be beautiful.

Anyway, this is my way and I wish you both all the best success. Namaste Om

Replied by Keith
(Millstone Township, NJ)
02/18/2015

This is my Third post regarding Zeus with the mange. I have been religiously following Ted's Mange Remedy and on off days Ted's anti-fungal/staph remedy. Neither seem to be stopping the spread of his hair loss and scaley, scabby skin. Sometimes it looks as if it's getting under control then the redness and hairloss appear again. He had one paw he licked raw now it's both paws. They are bright red with little fur and seem very painful. The hair loss is moving up his leg. Is this all mange or am I dealing with something else too?

He is on a raw veggie, lightly steamed meat and fish diet, tripe too, With various oils added to his food including coconut oil and coconut water. He is taking probiotics, multivitamins, immune boosters, enzymes, vitamin c. He also did 5 days of antibiotics for his infection. I've also added Borax to his water and recently ACV. NOTHING seems to be working. I've applied cocunut oil to his fur, Neoosporin to his cuts from scratching. ACV I recently have started spraying him

This has been going on since before Thanksgiving. I did see some improvement for about a week and it started off much "milder" then it is now.

He also has been to the vet and is going again tomorrow. What am I missing?

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
02/19/2015

Hey Keith!

I feel your frustration :-(

At this point I have to question if you got the diagnosis of demodex from your vet; did they do a scraping to confirm? Demodex mites are difficult to find in a healthy dog - you literally have to put the dog in a blender and then spin the results in a centerfuge to find mites in a healthy dog. In a dog dealing with demodex mite overgrowth due to health complications, the mites are easier to find on a simple scrape. Lots of times a dog with demodex will develop black-head type pimples- this before they get really bad. Did Zeus have the black-head pimples - or has it always been just itching and scales and hair loss?

From this end of the keyboard it sounds as if you are either dealing with a very resistant strain of demodex mite - which is possible, OR you are dealing with atopic dermatitis, which is a genetic disease that shows up right around 6 months of age, can be linked to seasonal allergy season, and just keeps getting worse each year.

I just had a friend PTS her French bulldog due to atopic dermatitis - he was only 6 years old in a breed that lives 8+ years. The allergies came on each spring, then spring and mid-winter during thaws, and then it was constant. Steroid shots were effective the first few years, but then they became a constant and she simply could not keep up with the constant bathing and the dog was miserable. I wish I had had a chance to work on this dog, but I respect her choice as the dog's owner and caretaker that she made the best decision.

Discuss these possibilities with your vet. The only additional supplements I can see that might apply are colostrum - an immune builder, and quercetin and/or yucca for inflamation.

If this were my dog I would bite the bullet and get the steroid shot; this will break the cycle of itching and give the skin a chance to heal. The steroid shot wears off 4-6 weeks, and the initial reaction to the shot is usually panting when it is not warm [think lady going through menopause! ] and then increased thirst and appetite. Some do not like these reactions at all, but it is just what the shot does, and I have found it helpful in getting on top of an allergy break out. You can stop the mange remedy dips and just use the staph treatment in a spritz bottle for the hot spots. Once the skin is calm and healing I would continue with the health and immune supplements and then try to figure out what is causing the flare ups, and then come up with a plan to nip any flare ups in the bud when they first appear.

If your vet strongly feels it is NOT atophy, and the feeling is still demodex, then Ivermectin may apply - along with several other miticides your vet may recommend. I would avoid mitaban dips - although vets I respect swear by them I just can't see treating my dog with a chemical I need to wear gloves to apply.

Read up on atopic dermatitis:

http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/integumentary_system/atopic_dermatitis/canine_atopic_dermatitis.html

Please report back!

Replied by Monamur
(Krakow)
04/21/2015

Hi everyone,

I a new here and need some help please.

I have a black pug Hugo who is 3 years old and started having dandruff and loads of it about a month ago. I changed the shampoo after a vet visit to a higher sensitive skin approach and still the dandruff remained and actually got a lot worse. He does not have any hair missing yet and also no actual bloody areas (thank God!! ), but he has small bumps on his head and neck which he scratches constantly. I went back to the vet and they took a scraping as based on my research and the causes of dandruff are several including some mites. They said he is not presenting these so just keep bathing him which, sadly, I did only to actually make things worse for Hugo ( I used to bathe him once a month and we got to even twice a week! ). I came across this treatment and since, I live in Poland with no Polish language skills, I was not able to find ACV, borax or the peroxide, only ACV separately: apple cider and apple vinegar. After some research I mixed the two and I use a cloth to wash him down and have done so for the last three days. He is happier a bit and the scratching diminished but still there. Same with the dandruff. Once I wash him down they both go away, however back by morning... I went to another vet to ask for a more thorough mite investigation and will have the results next week, however if anyone can help, both Hugo and I will remain forever grateful.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
04/22/2015

Hey Monamur!

There are two main types of mites in dogs - demodextic and sarcoptic. Demodex mites are typically associated with puppies under a year of age, and of older dogs that have a serious health issue. Demodex is not contagious, but sarcoptic mange IS - both to dogs and to humans. Sarcoptic mange mites can be picked up from wildlife - by the animals themselves, or from their nesting areas and even poop. So for example if your pug frequents bunny nests, catches and eats bunnies or rolls in bunny poop, then he may have been exposed to sarcoptic mites.

What can be more often confused as mites and is more common are fleas; I would think if your dog had fleas you would find them in your frequent baths, however.

The bumps on the back of the head to me sound like allergy hives. You might try adding a good sprinkle of turmeric to your boy's food am and pm to help with the inflammation associated with allergies. The addition of baking soda to his drinking water may also prove helpful by alkalizing his system and balancing his PH.

If you are online you can access Polish language translators to help with the vocabulary to see if you can get the borax et all you are looking for:

http://imtranslator.net/translation/english/to-polish/translation/

I would discontinue mixing the cider into the vinegar and just use the vinegar as it is. If rinsing your spritzing your boy with the vinegar is providing relief, continue to do so to help keep the itching at bay.

Part of stopping the itching is identifying the trigger - is he reacting to pollens in the air, or dust or dirt or eating a certain food? If you can identify the trigger and avoid it, this will help. Some folks use OTC allergy meds with good effect - something to consider.

Also, it never hurts to give your dog a thorough brushing. Brushing will remove the dandruff, stimulate the skin and distribute the natural oils in the coat. Brush regularly to monitor the dandruff for improvement. Consider adding oils to Hugo's diet to improve dry skin.

Please report back what the vet finds out about mites!


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Chris (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia) on 01/12/2015

We rescued a Great Dane who was abandoned tied to a lamp post with tick infestation and mange. She was also severely malnourished.The vet gave her an injection at the humane society to remove the ticks and shortly after the mange got worse, her whole body erupted in sores and lost all her fur with bleeding from the sores we tried everything she had treatment from the vet antibiotics, injections anti fungal soap, we tried coconut oil, aloe vera and yoghurt until we found borax which is not commonly available here. It is not easy to have enough solution to soak a Great Dane so we soaked her paws first in a small bucket as well as her ears and tail and finally use a small towel to sponge the solution on, initially we do find it twice a week which healed the bleeding sores in over a week and susequently in a month her fur started to grow back. I tapered the treatment to once a week after 2 months and after 3 months I stopped the treatment and the lesions started reappearing even though she is now receiving oral vitamins and is of normal weight. My question is does anyone have any experience as to how long they used the solution for with severe mange ?

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
01/13/2015

Hey Chris!

If you are dealing with sarcoptic mange mites, then unless and until you can treat the entire dog you cannot obtain a full cure. Given that borax is hard to come by in your area, consider treating your dog for mange with powdered flower of sulpher mixed with coconut oil. The mange mite has a 3 week life span, and treatment - provided you can treat the entire dog each and every treatment - should be three times the first week, followed by once per week thereafter for a 12 week time span.

When dealing with sarcoptic mange you have to treat the entire house -and in particular the areas where your dog hangs out - to prevent your dog from becoming contaminated again [which sounds like what is going on ].

You may find the little borax you have put to better use in the water to help fight infection from the inside out.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Kristint (St Paul, MN) on 12/27/2014
5 out of 5 stars

Demodectic mange: We've been treating our new to us dog Louie with the Ted's Mange Treatment and have to say are very pleased with the results after about 5 treatments.

I recently started adding a bit of coconut oil, both to work as a carrier oil to have the treatment solution more deeply penetrate the skin, as well as to add some moisturizing effects as I'm concerned about the effects of such frequent bathing drying out the skin (and we live in MN with cold dry air). I also added a bit of neem to the solution. In between treatments with Ted's solution, we've been putting diluted neem on the visible spots. Additionally we've been brushing his fur daily using a Zoom Broom, and brushing his teeth. Louie's kibble is already grain free and fairly high quality (can't quite afford the whole raw food diet thing). He's been getting 2x daily fish oil, and we also added a canine formulary nutritional supplement with pre and pro-biotics.

My question is how long to keep doing 2x weekly baths, and how to taper off. It seems to be working, but I am concerned about the drying effects on his skin. My gut is telling me that it is time to cut back to 1x weekly, seeing how he does, and if it still seems to be improving, then to cut back to 1x ~10 days, and keep cutting back from there, ie. 2 wks, monthly, quarterly? I haven't really been able to find guidelines for how to taper and when to stop all together.

I look forward to your feedback. Thank you.

Replied by Janet
(St Charles, Mo)
01/08/2015

Do we need to use a collar for this remedy?

Replied by Briana
(Faribault, Minnesota)
02/18/2015

Hello, I saw your post on how you live in MN and were wondering what you did for the dry skin as I live in minnesota also and I have a 4 month old German shorthair mix and she got it. I haven't done this treatment yet as I am scared about her licking herself after the fact even if its dry? I would really appriciate your response!

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
02/19/2015

Hey Briana!

You can give your dog Evening Primrose oil - 1 capsule in the food am and pm to help with the dry skin. You can also use a moisturizing shampoo on alternate days from the mange dip.

I have used the mange dip many times and my dogs have never had any issues with licking the remedy up!

Replied by Linda
(Connecticut)
05/04/2015

I am going to try the Peroxide/Borax on my 6month old yorkie, who has been suffering on/off for since Christmas w/this condition. Vet gave her Ivermecin after scraping, but I am not happy with the toxic side affects. My question is, she loves to lick the water off after bathing, is the peroxide/borax solution safe for her to ingest? Also, her eyes are a mess and is currently on anti-biotics, can I gently apply with a cotton ball around the eye area?

Thank you so much for all your advice.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
05/05/2015

Hey Linda!

The borax solution is not toxic and is safe for your dog to lick and to use around the face and eyes.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Neil (Cleveland, Oh.) on 12/24/2014
5 out of 5 stars

i started treating my dog (a couple year old rhodesian ridgeback mix) a couple days ago using Teds H2O2 and borax solution. I did a 2nd dip last night and am all ready seeing the remedy do its magic. I mixed up about 1 gallon of water with 1% hydrogen peroxide and about a 1/2 cup of borax. the dog doesnt like baths but didnt object too much although he definitely wanted to get out of the tub asap. my dog has a loss of hair on her rear end mostly and her skin looked blackened in areas on her belly and spots on her back. before dipping the dog I was very carefully examining her skin using my thumb and moving it slowly across the hairs on her side when I 1st spotted one of the nasty critters! They are very tiny about the size of the head of a straight pin maybe smaller and black. so I know she has sarcoptic mange and I have faith that the treatment will work and I will post back later. as regards using hydrogen peroxide I have detoxed my system of heavy metals using 35% food grade H2O2. I started out using one drop mixed with about 4-6 ounces of distilled water increasing 1 drop per day up to 24 drops mixed with the distilled water at a rate of 2X per day. once at 24 drops I decreased 1 drop per day down to 0 drops after 24 days. you can also do a detox regimen alternating the H2O2 with MSM (the active ingredient in DMSO). as in one day use the H2O2 and the next day use MSM following instructions on a heavy metal detox web site using natural cures.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
12/24/2014

Hey Neil!

I have used the remedy many times and it is a winner for sure!

I do have to say, it sounds like you are dealing with fleas; I say this because both sarcoptic mange mites and demodectic mange mites can only be seen with a microscope. Fleas, on the other hand, are about the size of a pin head and black, and due to the areas they feed on - tail end - usually causes hair loss on the rump due to the dog chewing its skin to scratch the itch.

There is no harm in continuing using Ted's remedy, but you may have better luck using it at the correct strength; 48 oz of a 1% solution of hydrogen peroxide takes about 1 heaping cup of borax, so IMHO you are using way too little borax. Also it sounds as if you are using food grade H2O2, which the dime store variety will work just fine for the skin dip; the brown bottle is a 3% solution, so just dump it into the gallon jug and fill up the empty brown bottle twice to get 48oz of a 1% solution - and then just add your cup of borax.

Another thing to consider is a flea trap. All you need is a small desk lamp, place it on the floor in the dog's area and place a white plate under the lamp. Add water mixed with dish soap and turn the light on at night, then check for black specks in the morning. Move the trap from room to room to quickly clear out the fleas.

Good luck!

Replied by Kristint
(Stpaul)
12/27/2014

Glad to find this remedy for demodectic mange. And while fleas have not been an issue for us (knock on wood) I will keep the flea trap in mind. thanks y'all.

Replied by Kitty
(Chapala, Mexico)
01/04/2015

Have 7 rescues. 2 Shar pei (rescued for 25 yrs.), 4 Chihuahuas & xoloitzquintle. 7th is less than 1 lb. Chihuahua who I grabbed because she was sooo weak and ill with sarcoptic mange that she would have died. Vet is treating with Frontline spray 1x week. I'm using all the natural recipes, one every few hours on the 5-7th day out. Others are itching a bit, soo hard to isolate. I've put on their drops. I only had advantix which is not the premier drug for treatment. I'll get Revolution if I can get it here and treat them again in 1.5-2 wks. Am using naturals on them also. blah, blah. I can't keep washing everything. It has been a little chilly here 68 now so things don't get dry well. I have been putting on a heating pad in the babies bed. I'm wondering if that heat will kill the mites and if I turn my electric blanket on high and leave it for a few hours, if it might kill them? Anybody have thoughts? I really can't afford the electric bills from heating or washing but could move the heating pad around to everyones' bed too. Please help, thanks!

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
01/04/2015

Hey Kitty!

Do NOT turn up your heating pad in an attempt to kill mites - it won't work, and blah, blah - you will burn your house down [seriously].

You might consider diatomaceous earth spread liberally around your house and in the pet areas, and on the pets as well; avoid inhaling and getting into eyes and mucous membranes, and if applied to the pets make sure you work it down to the skin.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Emmes (Indianapolis, IN) on 11/25/2014

After contracting demodex from their mother, 3 "chugs" started losing hair around their eyes, muzzles, head and soon, all over - at about 3 months old.

They were scraped and diagnosed with demodex mange. One of the pups went to live with a friend of mine.

Her vet put her pup on Ivermectin, antibiotics and to date, she is completely mange free (8 months old).

My vet put the 2 pups on steroids, medicated shampoo, antibiotics (after) and wanted to "dip" them when they got older.

After all of this, the male (more Chihuahua) looks like a Cancer patient. He has very little hair growing back, still no hair on his legs, but has some on his feet, and his back looks like elephant skin that is crusty and smelly.

The vet told me not to bathe them more than 2x/month, as it would dry out their skin .. but their skin is dried out anyway.

The female (more Pug) has a lot more hair on her back, but her nose is crusty, legs are hairless and so is most of her tail. She has hair on her feet, and they both never lost the hair on their ears (go figure).

I'd be happy to send first photos and what they look like now to show the difference. I don't believe the $400 I spent at the vet (over time) has helped them at all.

I think feeding them canned tuna (kept them from eating their own poop when I wasn't looking, too) with their puppy food, washing their bedding in hot water, changing their bedding every day, fresh water has helped their immune system fight back .. but not enough.

That said, I'm getting ready to try the mange recipe with Borax and diluted Hydrogen Peroxide. My only concern is trying to keep them from licking themselves dry if I put them in their kennel after the treatment.

Plus, they're such cold natured animals, and it's chilly here in Indiana .. so I wouldn't want them to catch their death. I have a heater in the room their kennel is in just to keep them warm. I tend to like it a little cooler in my house, personally.

I'm going to try this treatment every other day for the first week, then down to 2x/week for a few weeks and 1x/week the remaining weeks for a total of 8 weeks.

Any advice or further guidance for me before I start this journey? I will be bathing the dogs first before treating, as recommended.

Thanks

~ Emmes

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
11/26/2014

Hey Emmes!

Were all three pups scraped and diagnosed with demodex by the same vet? The two very different treatment methods suggest the 1 pup treated by your friend's vet was the traditional treatment, but the steroids/antibiotics/medicated shampoo route sounds as if your vet was treating for allergies. Unless your vet is totally incompetent [it happens], they treated your chugs for allergies because there was good reason to. So, be aware that your two keepers may have allergies along with demodex.

That said, if these were my puppies I would:

Check the groceries; switch to a grain free diet if you are not presently feeding a grain free diet. Consider supplementing with vitamin C [for immune support], Echinacea and Goldenseal [for infection].

Alkalize your dogs drinking water. All the dogs can drink this. Use 1 teaspoon of baking soda into 1 liter of water, and have this be their ONLY drinking water. If they avoid the water because it tastes funny, start out with a smaller dose; 1/4 baking soda to 1 liter of water for 3 days, then 1/2 for 3 days then bump up to 1 teaspoon and do that for 7 days. After 7 days you can go back down to a maintenance dose of 1/4 teaspoon per liter.

I would do the mange dip up to 3 times the first week, and then once per week after that, for the next 13 weeks. The reason for this bathing schedule is that the first 3 dips knock out the adult population of mites, so after that you only need to dip weekly to clear out any newly hatched adult mites. It sounds as if you are also dealing with a secondary staph infection, so I would also use on days that are not dip days the anti-staph/anti-fungal remedy not as a full body dip, but in a spritz bottle and target the smelly spots. If this regime really dries out the skin I would also bath on alternate days in a soothing oatmeal & lavender shampoo, and also supplement am & pm with Evening Primrose Oil capsule.

As to your concern about them licking the mange remedy, it won't hurt them, actually might help them, and if they manage to lap up a fair bit of it you may see loose stools - but they can in no way 'overdose'; this remedy is *very* safe. It would be a good idea to turn up the space heater and warm the kennel room - or crate the dogs in a smaller room and use the space heater. To ensure the dip gets enough time to *work* make sure you keep them wet in the tub for at least 15-20 minutes [30 is ideal] and then have them sit wet in the crate for another half an hour, and then let them out to air or blow dry after that.

Replied by Kristint
(Stpaul)
12/27/2014

I'm curious about the recommendation to add baking soda to the pets drinking water. Baking soda contains high amounts of sodium, which seems like not a good idea to add to their diet.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
12/27/2014

Hey Kristint!

Start here and keep reading :-)

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/baking_soda.html

Replied by Kady
(Texas, Usa)
01/24/2015

Do not use an oatmeal based shampoo on a dog with demodex. The mites will feed on the oatmeal just as they do the yeast from the secondary infection. This is also why their carb intake should be limited.

A benzoyl peroxide shampoo that is antimicrobial will open the pores where the mites live and allow the borax solution to penetrate. Being antimicrobial will aid in keeping the yeast down. Most of these are soap free and moisturize the skin.

Wiping the dog down on non-dip days with a diluted betadine solution also keeps the secondary infection down. Using the solution twice a day is even better. Neem is quite helpful and most health food stores with a pet section will have neem products ready for use.

Demodex is tough and while the borax solution will kill the mites the dogs diet and stress has to be addressed so they do not return.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
01/24/2015

Great thoughts, Kady!

I just wanted to point out that a benzoyle peroxide shampoo is not necessary as Ted's Mange Remedy is peroxide based; the peroxide does work as a penetrant and the borax acts as a miticide.

Additionally, demodex mites do not feed on carbs or yeast - they eat sebum/skin oil and skin cells/protien. The oatmeal shampoo is OK to use on irritated skin - and the use of Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy will also work at knocking down a secondary skin infection in dogs who are battling demodex.

Demodex mites will not return if the remedy is properly applied; if the mites do return, an underlying undiagnosed health condition is likely present.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Lynne (Scottsbluff, Ne) on 11/03/2014

I have a 2 yr old Husky who started having problem around his eyes last April. No matter to speak of, just kept itching his eyes and the skin looked red around the eyes, then got a couple of spots next to his nose that I wasn't sure what they were. Vet said allergies, gave him steroid shot, Ivermectin and benadryl & prednisone to take home. Vet didn't do skin scraping, thought spots on nose might be staph infection. Eyes cleared up & spots on nose but he has continued to itch/lick/bite "hot spots" which were on chest, down both front legs, inside of back legs and up into groin. Some days he looked like he was on fire!! A month ago I went to a different vet as I was not seeing any improvement and this vet diagnosed mange, which I had already pretty much decided was the problem. They gave him one treatment of Revolution and antibiotics.

Have not noticed any improvement. I found this website a week ago and have now done 3 baths with the mange treatment. One of my questions is beings my dog HATES baths, I am not able to sponge the solution over him for the recommended 15 min., let alone 30!! However I have gotten him completely wet with the solution. Am I accomplishing anything if I can't do the recommended sponging time? I noticed right after each bath his chest & front legs seems to be soothed from the itching. I have tried, olive oil/tea tree oil, Avon Skin so Soft, Benadryl lotion, calamine lotion, Aloe Vera, Bag Balm, Tri-Care skin/wound cream and some I can't remember for the itching. Again, he HATES having anything rubbed on the hot areas and then wants to lick it all off. I also have a collar which I have had on him almost constant for the past week. If he can't get to the areas to lick or itch they clear up some. If he gets the collar off within an hour his skin is fire red again.

I am frustrated, tired of paying vet bills and most of all feel horrible that I can't find some relief for my poor guy. Just wondering if anyone has any other suggestions? I also have an 11 yr old Chocolate lab who has no signs or symptoms like my Husky. Any help is much appreciated!!

Thank you.

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
11/03/2014

Hey Lynne!

It sounds like your vets did all the right things presenting symptom-wise. I agree with the first vet - I think you are dealing with an allergy issues, particularly in light of the second vet's diagnosis of sarcoptic mange and the treatment with Revolution. I would have expected to see results were it sarcoptic mange and yet nothing.

Normally when you can saturate the dog in the solution and leave it on for 30 minutes, it allows the treatment to penetrate the skin, into the pores and hair follicles. With full penetration, the treatment has a lasting effect of about 24 hours.

You have noticed the remedy has brought your dog a brief respite after a partial treatment. Since we know it's not mange, then bacteria/staph and yeast are the next culprits.

Ted posted on this in 2006:

"I would bathe the dog or apply a lotion made of magnesium hydroxide (milk of magnesia) with some epsom salt (in one cup of milk of magnesia, I may add 2-4 tablespoons of epsom salt). If that works then I might add a small amount 1/16 teaspoon of epsom salt in one liter of drinking water for only a couple of days. If the dog has low magnesium, quite often allergy shows up. For a yeast or even most ailments of the dog, 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda added to the drinking water for a couple of days will also reduce the yeast infection. The yeast infection issue is due to a fungus, which if borax 1/16 teaspoon is added along with the baking soda in one liter of water can also take care of it. Besides those remedies also addresses dog's nutritional deficiency for bicarbonates and boron, and even if it does not directly address a very specific condition, the dog will generally get better and in some cases get cured, because of a deficiency issue. It's all about trying them out when I know those remedy are designed to address deficiency issue which makes it important that those should at least be addressed first."

Ted has many ideas to consider! When my pack breaks out in the itchies I do 1 teaspoon of baking soda to 1 liter of drinking water and do this for 5 days as a crisis dose; I then go down to 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda for another week, and then down to 1/4 teaspoon for maintenance until everything is healed up.

One thing to also consider that has not been discussed is your dog's diet. Allergy dogs need top of the line diets - no grocery store kibble, nothing with red dyes or added sugars, and no grains. Check the label on the brand you feed as a dietary adjustment may be needed.

Please report back!

Replied by Om
(Hope Bc Canada)
11/04/2014

Hi Lynne --- can you try coconut oil mixed with turmeric 1 : 20. Turmeric is also anti-inflammatory.

Just a suggestion. Namaste, Om

Replied by Lynne
(Scottsbluff, Ne)
11/05/2014

I will try.....thank you!!

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
11/15/2014

Hi! Lynn, Revolution is a pesticide and a neurotoxin . It will compromise your dogs immune system. Ask your Vet if he puts it on his kids before they go out to play. Feed your dog a diversified raw meat diet, no veggies or ANYTHING else. Try "Reel Raw Co." dog food!!!! . Ivermectin is also a neurotoxin, prednisone, antibiotics , will also compromise your dogs immune system. The Vets get us on a merry go round The pesticide kills the mites , damages the immune system , the mites come back and your nice Vet makes more money. You don't have to poison your dog to keep her well. Mite infestation is a low immune system problem, feed your dog species appropriate food and eliminate stress. and eventually her immune system will keep your dog healthy unless she has some serious illness. Lots of exercise . Be patient it takes a good while for your dog to get healthy. Stop the shots and flea and tick and heart worm poisons and don't believe your vet. Investigate cures on the internet and don't treat your dog for things she doesn't have with monthly preventatives. Keep using Teds treatment and add organic apple cider vinegar, a couple oz.s to a pint unless she is raw , then it might burn. It can take up to a year or more so again be patient. Love my Amber, Yours, Robert

Replied by Thestarseed
(Bradenton, Fl)
02/23/2015

Hi, I hope things are better for you in regards to the mange. I thought I would respond because this is the second post on this thread about tea tree oil and dogs. Tea tree oil is highly toxic to dogs. I read a post the other day here on EC from a woman who used TTO on her dog, and she reported the dog started convulsions and seizure like activity. I would love to hear your progress with your dog.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Colleen (Sanford, NC) on 10/19/2014
5 out of 5 stars

Harley is a 4 1/2 year old pit bull/lab mix. Our vet told us about 2 years ago that he had demodectic mange and a weak immune system due to heredity. Harley also has repeated ear infections. He gave us Promeris. I began using it and it did seem to help at first, but his mange came back with a vengeance and I haven't been able to get it under control.

He has developed skin infections from the constant scratching that made parts of his skin rough like elephant skin, and even scratches to the point of bleeding. He has hair loss on his entire trunk/chest, legs, and around his eyes and top of head. I have changed his food to Nutro Natural Choice, started him on a multi-vitamin, and have been using GNC antibacterial/antifungal shampoo/conditioner. This all has helped a little, but not nearly enough.

I have read about this treatment before, but was always hesitant in the past - afraid of possible side effects and safety. I decided to try it and after one treatment, I have noticed an improvement. Harley has hardly scratched and appears a lot more comfortable and less miserable. The redness is also disappearing. I plan on continuing this treatment in hopes that it rids him of this problem.

My question, though, is since his vet said he had a hereditary condition and weak immunity that makes him susceptible to mange and the ear infections, is there anything that can be done to prevent it from returning?

Thank you, Colleen

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/19/2014

Hey Colleen!

Demodex is typically a puppy affliction; in a 4.5 year old adult, something else is going on .. IF you are *still* dealing with demodex.

Has your dog had a recent scraping to confirm the demodex?

What it sounds like from my end of the keyboard is that your dog has a yeast problem and not so much a mite issue.

That said, continue the mange dips if you are seeing progress, and if that progress appears to reach a plateau I would switch over to Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph dip. I make it up in big batches and bathe the entire dog in the same way you do for the mange dipping. Wash the dog first, rinse well, let drip dry as much as possible in the tub and then stopper up the tub and pour the [warmed] dipping solution over the dog and use a plastic cup to scoop up the solution and pour over the dog again and again for at least 20 minutes. Then put sopping WET into a crate with no bedding and allow to drip dry for another half an hour, and then let him out and towel him off and let him fully air dry.

This is what you need for the dip:

Milk of magnesia

Borax

Epsom salt

Hydrogen peroxide. The drugstore sells the 3% solution, and you need a 1% solution, so to get that you take 1 part 3% and add 2 parts water.

So, to make a small batch take 1/3 cup 3% hydrogen peroxide, and add 2/3 cup plain water and to that add 1 tablespoon each of the MOM, borax and Epsom salts. Double or quadruple this as necessary to fill a gallon jug. Then place the jug in a tub warm water to warm it up, and when the temp of the bath water is nice and cozy, bathe your dog - and then when it is time to use the solution it will be of a comfortable temperature for your dog. This treatment is good for 24 hours/working effect for 24 hours; you may find it helpful to bathe daily if the topical yeast is out of control, and then reduce to weekly or twice weekly.

In addition to the baths you might consider a grain free food if the current diet is not grain free already. Multivitamin is good, but you might also consider Echinacea and goldenseal combo for 2 weeks, as well as upping the vitamin c. In between Ted's treatments you can bathe with a soothing formulation that includes oatmeal and aloe and lavender to help calm the skin.

Lastly you might consider alkalizing your dog's drinking water; by altering is PH you make the entire dog less appetizing for yeast or mange. Some dogs readily accept baking soda water, some need to build up to it. A maximum dose is 1 teaspoon per liter of water for 5 days and then drop down to a maintenance dose of 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon per liter of water; have this water be his only source of drinking water.

There are additional approaches using sea salt water and or borax in the water but start with the baking soda and monitor your results for at least 1 week if not 2 and report back.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Christine (Columbus, Oh) on 10/15/2014

I'm wondering if you can help me identify if my pup has demodectic mange.

I know her immune system is poor and she has been diagnosed with severe allergies/intense itching, which we've been dealing with since she was 6 months old.

She was put on a raw diet over a year ago and I've seen a massive improvement overall in her itching and general disposition! Additionally, she is not suffering as frequently from the cycle of nonstop itch-open wound-infection-secondary yeast infection. It is typically during this cycle that she begins to get black circles on her sides and belly. Those circles have, many times, turned into full black skin. A vet had suggested that the black skin circles (which spread across her trunk and lady bits) were simply caused by the yeast blooms.

After reading your site, I am suspecting she might have demodectic mange. Overall, her skin looks good (relative to its usual state) but she is beginning to develop more black circles. I've begun the treatment described on your website and am attaching some photos before treatment. We are only 4 treatments in at this point.

Thank you!
~Christine

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/16/2014

Hey Christine!

Demodectic mange typically starts off as small bare spots on the coat, very often on the face first. The bare spots then turn reddish in color -hence the nick name 'red mange'. Demodex typically is not itchy; secondary skin infections caused by staph or yeast can cause intense itching. This type of mange is not contagious.

Sarcoptic mange -aka scabies - can be picked up from wildlife, and can spread to people as well as other pets, and can be very itchy.

It is entirely possible your dog picked up sarcoptic mange, however I do agree with your vet re: black patches of skin = yeast bloom. Your vet could perform skin scrapes to confirm the demodex if you are certain you are dealing with demodex.

You may find that Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy provides more relief than the mange remedy - JMHO! In addition, if you are indeed dealing with yeast, you might consider the addition of probiotics in your dog's diet, and might consider alkalizing her water and /or other water treatments to fight the yeast from the inside out.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Robert (Reading, Pa) on 10/10/2014

I have been using Teds remedy for three + weeks. My chocolate brown pit bull is now a blond. I saw a little improvement in scratching after the first treatment but she is back to chewing and scratching again. I treated her three times a week for two weeks then twice a week. She is losing a lot of fur all over and the initial two spots the size if a nickel seem the same. Should I be shampooing her right before or in between treatments or just let the treatments buildup ? Her skin seems dry. Is there anything additional you can recommend ?

Thanks, Robert

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/10/2014

Hey Robert!

You should be shampooing your dog right before the treatments - so shampoo, rinse, and then treatment. I would also have no problem bathing her 24 hours later in a soothing shampoo with such ingredients as oatmeal. If you did 3x a week and then 2x a week you should be able to reduce it to once per week at this point.

Was your girl scraped to confirm demodex? Itchy skin often has a secondary infection such as staph. You might consider a staph dip - scroll down the latest pet posts for the formula [or I will post later]. Also consider adding an oil to her food - evening primrose oil can help with dry skin, as can salmon oil in the chow. Also consider some of the advice to Om for her dog with ear gunk re: water additives to help combat yeast internally [scroll down through latest pet posts to find or I will post later].

One thing to do is to feed top groceries - no Purina, rather think Fromm, Taste of the Wild, and the like.

I have a thing for red noses - please report back!!

Replied by Lizzy
(Asheville, US)
10/10/2014

Hi Robert,

I have been having similar issues with my dog for quite some time now. Ted's mange cure did not work. What HAS been helping the most (but must be done regularly) is applying organic apple cider vinegar mixed with water (50/50) and a teaspoon or more of DMSO. I apply it to all the areas that he is red and inflamed, which is around his hips and along his spine, under his armpits and the bottoms of his feet. If an area is too inflamed, it will really burn, so you must dilute the apple cider vinegar even more with water. I apply it while he is eating a meal to distract him. The DMSO (found online at amazon.com) is fantastic at dropping a remedy below the skin's surface. I use bleach free paper towels to apply the mixture. I have tested this mixture on myself several times and have had no side effects. But do read up on DMSO before you use it as you need to be careful with it.

Last week, upon my holistic vet's suggestion, I switched him to a raw food beef diet (Nature's Variety, very expensive) and include human grade probiotics, vitamin E and fish oil with every meal. I haven't seen much change yet, unfortunately.

Another thing that will help is baths every 3-4 days with Selsun Blue medicinal shampoo and finish off with a 50/50 apple cider vinegar rinse. There's a post on Earth Clinic detailing the Selsun Blue protocol. It is definitely the best shampoo I have tried so far, including 2 the vet gave me.

Apparently a LOT of dogs are suffering from skin issues these days and it's very challenging to figure out what will help them. Good luck!

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/11/2014

One thought for Lizzy:

If Selsun Blue is providing you results you are not dealing with mange, rather you are dealing with yeast. The Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy should prove more effective than the mange remedy in this case, and anti yeast protocols would apply.

Replied by Robert
(Reading Pa)
10/13/2014

Thanks, Theresa . She has had scrapings in three areas which confirmed demodex. She was eating Fromms and then Merick but I am feeding her pre-measured raw food from Reel Raw dog food company which is a great company with incredible customer service. I will follow your instructions and shampoo her prior to treating her. Thanks From me and my sweet red nose. Have a happy day, Robert

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/14/2014

Hey Robert!

One other thought: the next day after the mange dip, you could bathe her in an oatmeal based soothing shampoo, and I would add to that essential oil of lavender.

Also, how old is your girl? Demodex is typically an affliction of puppies, however in mature, adult dogs the development of demodex is typically associated with an underlying disease condition, ie hypothyroid, cancer, severe bacterial infection.

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
10/13/2014

Thanks a bunch Lizzy, for your help. I am feeding Amber raw food from Reel Raw dog food company which is human grade USDA approved . You might want to check them out. They have a pre-measured, daily, individually wrapped service according to the dogs weight. Their customer service, Alissa, is incredible. Not cheap but when I considered the shopping, organizing, and wrapping it saves me, it is not a bad deal at all. Thanks again and have a Happy Day, Robert

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
10/14/2014

Hi! Lizzy, An afterthought. I have seen such an improvement in Amber after starting her on the Reel Raw food it is amazing!!! More energy, smaller stools and she just seems more alive . The meals are balanced with no fillers, blueberries, broccoli, grains or any other junk that dogs can't digest, Just top quality diversified meat. I hope this is helpful to you. Love my dogs, Robert

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
10/14/2014

Hi! Again Theresa, Amber is a rescue so I am not sure of her age, somewhere between one and three. She had a litter, was abandoned, was given flea and tick topical poison, given shots, maybe heart worm meds, an hysterectomy, and put in a rescue kennel . Enough stress to compromise her immune system, I think, leading maybe to a demodex population increase, She doesn't look like she has had the demodex all her life so I am hoping lots of love, no stress and good food will help her bounce back. Thanks a lot for your information, you have been a real help . I am almost out of shampoo so I will try an oatmeal based type this time . The poor girl is not happy with all these baths and doesn't go near the bathroom anymore. Oh well. Have a super day Theresa, Robert

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/15/2014

Hey Robert!

The brief known history you provided for Amber sounds like the perfect storm for an outbreak of demodex.

It sounds like you are doing all the right things for Amber. I would next consider nutritional supplements for the immune system - adding 500mg vitamin C to each meal, and also dosing Echinacea and kelp. I would use these nutritionals for 3 weeks and check results.

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
11/14/2014

Hey Theresa , Well another month has gone by and guess what, no more scratching and chewing . The combo of Reel Raw dog food And Teds Cure have worked wonders. The Vets, three of them, recommended Ivermectin neurotoxin and antibiotics which deplete the immune system which is the cause of the outbreak in the first place. These greedy Vets disgust me. I will keep in touch, Theresa, and as always thanks for your help to me and so many others. When Amber turns chocolate again, I'll send a picture.

Love my Amber, Robert

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
11/15/2014

Hi! Again Lizzy and Teresa , I am familiar with DMSO but I wouldn't use it on Amber , For me it is too invasive . Organic Apple cider added to Ted's remedy might help and it has no side affects. The reason dogs have so many health issues, cancer, skin problems etc come from the 100 year history of money making Commercial dog food, shots, the poisonous flea and tick topical treatment and heart worm cure. etc. Dogs have changed in appearance but their physiology is still the same as the wolves they are descended from . A wolfs life span is up to 27 years or so . Get away from Natures Variety please. Switch to "Reel Raw " brand dog food. It will take a year or so but many of your dogs issues will resolve themselves . No junk food treats at all, they digest differently than raw food and will defeat your purpose. REMEMBER if you would 't put it on your little boy or girl DON'T put it on your dog!!!!! Thanks for all your suggestions and input. Love my Amber, Robert

Replied by Sid
(Illinois, US)
11/15/2014

Robert,

It warms my heart to hear that your pup is doing well. I'm only one week into this demon-dex journey so we'll see how it goes. You give me hope for my sweet boy.

I hear you on the greedy vets, although I think they're simply following the carrot that's dangled in front of them by the pharmaceutical companies. Those corporations are the big boys that are pushing all of the drugs and vaccines to the vets. Unfortunately for our wonderful companions, there's a lot of damaged left behind.

We rescued our black lab 4.5 years ago (really, he rescued us) and from day one he's been sick with ear infections, itchiness, fatigue, seizures, rashes, hot spots and just all around strange behavior - like licking furniture and walls and car seats. So we started our rounds of doctors and treatments and nothing was working. Now I'm a freak when it comes to healthy food, so I was very suspicious when one doc kept pushing his featured kibble that was NOT healthy. The last straw was when they prescribed Fluoroquinolone for my boy's ear infection. Hah. There's a reason they're doing tendon repair on more and more dogs. No way. I walked out and never looked back. It's not hard to see why immune systems are on a rapid downward spiral.

So long story-short. G eats raw, grassfed, organic diet that I prepare at home. We finally conquered his ear infection by using Allimax Allicin, just this past summer. And now he has demodex mites. Goodness, he deserves a break. I just started seeing a new vet who knows how to treat vaccine injured dogs so we shall see.

I've done three Ted baths and G gets a massage 3 times a week anyway, so I just rub him down with olive oil, lavendar, peppermint and clove oil. I can't say I see a big difference yet, but I'm hopeful.

Once one researches vaccine ingredients, the lightbulb turns on. It's not good. Edgar Crookshank proved it long ago that vaccines are a fraud. There's no reason to have egg, insect cells, human serum (I let you guess where they get these cells), bovine serum (they use downer cattle from factory farms and euthanized animals from research labs), mycoplasms, bacteriophages, prions, mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc. injected into our beloved companions (or humans for that matter). Zero reason. People are waking up, though, so I think it will all be good. Notice how the ebola fear mongering was in the news 24/7 and then it just disappeared. Yeah, people are onto the scam. I ran into my old vet a few weeks ago and I told him what I'd learned - he admitted that he knows NOW and apologized. He knows vaccines cause all this damage - so even the vets can wake up. Hah.

Gonna keep on fighting that demon-dex. Blessings to all.

Sid

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
11/17/2014

Hey Robert!

Glad for this news! It is so important to keep in mind that healing takes *time* - and so glad you hung in there and invested the time to heal Amber. :-)

Replied by Om
(Hope, Bc, Canada)
11/18/2014

Hi, Robert, just to say I thoroughly agree with you.

Namaste, Om

Replied by Robert
(Reading Pa)
11/19/2014

Hi! Sid, I do a lot of reading and some of the things that are happening make me sick. The dogs euthanized in shelters are thrown in rendering plants along with road kill, spoiled food from supermarkets, wrappers and all, and anything they can get their hands on. The poison used in the injection to kill the animals has been found in big commercial pet food and farm animal feeds. All Govt. approved. Dogs & cats fall under agriculture laws an have no protection. In order to protect them they would have to stop using dogs for experiments so it will never change. Sad huh! Robert lovemyamber

Replied by Robert
(Reading Pa)
11/18/2014

Hi! Theresa, With your help all things are possible. Where do you find the time? I hope you are appreciated because you sure should be. Thanks, Robert. Lovemyamber

Replied by Robert
(Reading Pa)
11/19/2014

Hi! Sid, Don't forget, the raw meats and organs need to be diversified. I tried shopping and preparing a diversified diet and it was a nightmare. It took forever. I found this Company on the internet called Reel Raw that will ship frozen, USDA approved, human grade meat to your door. It is all pre-packaged according to your dogs weight and has a balanced selection of meats , meaty bones and organs. It is a little expensive but when you factor in the convenience its a good deal, and to me, my Amber is worth more than anything , cars, fancy clothes , expensive dinners, etc. She comes first. Good luck, Robert Lovemyamber

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
11/19/2014

Hey Robert!

Glad to be of help to you - and Amber!

Anything for a pit bull I say! BEST breed ever! :-)

Replied by Robert
(Reading, Pa)
11/20/2014

Hi! Theresa, A story put out by the raw meat diet company Reel Raw. A female dog was producing puppies infected with demodex. They stopped every thing but a balanced raw meat diet, not to be confused with a raw food diet, ie veggies etc. A year later her litters were demodex free. I am thinking I sound like a salesman but I just want others to see the results I have seen. Interesting story anyway and makes sense. Robert Lovemyamber

Replied by Robert
(Reading Pa)
11/20/2014

Hi! Sid, I wanted to mention that I still continue to treat Amber even though the scratching and chewing have stopped. It will take a while for her immune system to get strong again and I see a need for a maintenance program to make sure she doesn't experience any setbacks while she is healing. I told Teresa, Amber had a litter, was abused and abandoned, had an hysterectomy, given flea and tick treatment, shots, heart worm treatment, and was mal and under nourished. Long term love and Patience. Good Luck, Robert Lovemyamber

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
11/21/2014

Hey Robert!

This story is a common one, and not limited to RAW diets. I know of several cases where the first litter had demodex, and after a grocery upgrade to a better quality kibble subsequent litters did not have demodex.

I do think immune system health plays a role in demodex, I believe diet/nutrition does play a role - particularly as the effects of malnutrition/poor nutrition in the dam affect her progeny for the next 6 generations! However I also believe that the parasite load of the dam is also a huge factor in the parasite load puppies receive and is often overlooked or ignored completely when considering why an animal breaks with demodex.

Replied by Robert
(Reading Pa)
11/21/2014

Thanks Theresa, for the clarification. Yours, Robert Lovemyamber

Replied by Lou
(Wisconsin)
11/12/2016

Not sure it's always the greedy Vets, but the Pharmaceutical Companies that always come out on top. I never trust them.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Tim (Fairfield, Ca) on 10/02/2014

Hello, I understand the dilution factor for the H2O2, but it does not indicate how much of the diluted H2O2 to use. Tim

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
10/03/2014

Hey Tim!

You use as much of the diluted hydrogen peroxide as you need. The key is to make a *saturated* solution with the borax. So if you need a gallon of the 1% h2o2 to bathe your dog, keep adding the borax crystals to the point where they stop dissolving. The correct prepared solution should have undissolved grains swirling around.


Borax and Peroxide User Reviews
Posted by Marlene (NC, US) on 09/17/2014
5 out of 5 stars

I just want to say that this worked awesome. My 1 year old pi tbull had suffered from mange and we took her to the vet and they put her on 6 weeks of Ivomec. It worked for about 5 weeks then I started to see the balding spots with redness again and knew it was coming back. I knew I needed to try something different especially because I was just laid off work and couldnt take her to the vet again for something that wasn't going to work. I have given her one bath in the solution and it has done wonders; she is no longer red and no longer scratching. I will do this once a week until her spots completely clear up. Thank you so much from a concerned pitbull mom

Replied by Mary Ellen
(Evergreen Park, Illinois)
09/17/2014

I have been at my wits end with my year old pup. When I rescued her about a month 1/2 ago, she had a bald spot on her back. I was told that it was a hot spot. It seemed crusty, then suddenly flared up. I now have ringworm! I imagine I got it from her. I have been treating her/me with "athletes foot" fungus cream. The vet has done a skin test, also plucked a few hairs from her, to see if fungus grows. But, this will take 3-4 weeks! I'm also wondering if this might be mange. Today, I tried the Borax/peroxide bath on her. She didn't drink any! After she was almost dry, I let her out in the sunshine. About 2 hours, she was throwing up! I saw a post from someone asking if this ever happened with their dog. Well, it sure happened with my dog! I finally bathed her again to get it all off of her! Just FYI

Replied by Theresa
(Mpls., Mn)
09/19/2014

Hey Mary Ellen!

Thanks for sharing your experience!

You might consider reading up on EC's ringworm page:

https://www.earthclinic.com/pets/ringworm.html



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