Chanca Piedra Health Supplement

| Modified: Mar 07, 2020
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Chanca piedra is a remarkable medicinal plant that has long been used in Central and South America to treat kidney stones. liver issues and gallstones painlessly. Its scientific classification is Phyllanthus niruri, while "Stone breaker" is the literal translation of the plant's common name, given to it by Spanish settlers who recognized its medical value, a value increasingly recognized in the modem world of complementary medicine.

A much studied herb, chanca piedra has repeatedly been found to inhibit the formation of calcium oxalate crystals (the principle component of kidney stones) and even help to break up established stones. It also contains organic compounds that reduce the spasmodic activity of smooth muscles in the kidneys, bladder, and ureter so that kidney stones can pass more smoothly. Further, it has been shown to inhibit the expression of h. pylori, the bacterium that causes most stomach ulcers.2

Chanca Piedra: Kidney Stones and More!

In addition to its benefits for those with kidney stones and gallstones, chanca piedra is well-regarded as a potential remedy for hepatitis B, for reducing cholesterol in the bloodstream, and in modulating blood sugar levels.


Bill Thompson Protocol

Posted by Bill (the Philippines) on 01/28/2019
5 out of 5 stars

I know that I've posted alot about the many benefits of Chanca Piedra in the past, but that was a while ago. So this is really a refresher for any new members of EC who might like to consider supplementing this wonderful herb. See this page

Replied by Bill
the Philippines

Hi Denise...The reason that you have tinnitus problems is probably due to multiple factors or causes and not just one core reason. Here is what Ted from Bangkok has to say about the causes and how to heal tinnitus: "Primarily, the traditional approach to buzzing of the ears is magnesium supplements, but I much prefer powdered form magnesium citrate or magnesium chloride 250 mg taken twice a day. The vitamin B50 is taken twice a day. And most important to reduce stickiness of the blood is the lemon and baking soda, as the simplest, albeit not too effective ways of alkalizing the brain, and will take about two weeks to do that, but the remedy is 2 tablespoons of lime (or lemon) plus 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in 1/2 glass of water or 1 glass of water taken twice a day. A more effective remedy thats been proven for me anyway, conditions do vary with people, but it is 1/4 teaspoon of sodium carbonate (washing soda) plus 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda plus 1/8 teaspoon of potasssium bicarbonate (or tripotassium citrate) in 1 glass of water taken twice a day. This one will alkalize the brain generally quickly, usually within 30 minutes and especially taken 2 hours before sleep or 1 hour, to reduce the buzzing. Alkalizing also dilates the capillary circulation of the brain too." Source: I would also advise that you should also supplement higher-dose niacin -- at least 500 mgs once per day with meals. If you get a heavy or uncomfortable niacin "flush" then just reduce the dose by half. The niacin flush is very beneficial because, as Ted also mentions, thick blood can also contribute significantly towards tinnitus. Niacin(via the niacin "flush") will also safely act to thin the blood. I normally take 500 mgs(once a day) + All B vitamins(once a day) as a preventative now because it both relaxes me and seems to gives me energy as well. Here are the recommended dosages again for your tinnitus: * Magnesium Chloride....250mgs taken twice a day with meals. * Use Ted's stronger Carbicarb remedy(the second alkalizing remedy described above) taken twice a day outside meal times. * B50 Complex taken twice a day normally with meals * Niacin...500mgs once a day with a meal.


Bill, What can be used if you have MG & are under doctor advice not to take magnesium as it worsens nerve/muscle response (especially for individuals who have the type that paralyzes breathing)?


Hi Vicki...If you have Myasthenia Gravis then you will generally be suffering heavy muscle weakness throughout your body. Allopathic medicine has decided to call it an autoimmune disease -- where your antibodies are attacking your nerve sites with cause unknown. However, through some remarkable empirical and observational research, it has been found that the thymus gland is heavily involved and may be the main cause of MG. During WWII Dr E K Josephson further discovered that taking higher dose Manganese Sulphate with B Vitamins and a healthy diet helped to cure MG fairly quickly. This research also appears to have been completely suppressed or ignored because the normal way for allopathic medicine to treat MG was to completely remove the thymus gland which, IMHO, is incredibly cruel as well as remarkably dumb -- because that would leave your immune system dead in the water. You can read all about Dr Josephson's research here:

Bone Spur

Posted by Katherine (Las Vegas, Nv) on 09/03/2015

A friend told me that she tried chanca piedra for a foot bone spur and, within 2 months, the bone spur completely dissolved. Is this herb the answer to quickly dissolving a foot bone spur I have, which is painless but unsightly and makes it very difficult to wear a left shoe properly because of this bone spur?

I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this subject. Thank you.

Replied by Tiffany

It lowers blood sugar and my guess it that it creates a more alkaline PH so the mineral balance of the body remains intact. I had a rash of ringworm on my neck which didn't budge for weeks with the topical... Well I started drinking chanca piedra tea for my painful kidneys and guess what? The ringworm died! Rash totally cleared up!!

Once again, something to do with the blood sugar levels? Also, my TMJ doesn't bother me when I drink it. My blood pressure dropped to very low 96/69 or something like that.... SUPER low. Obviously...this makes one very drowsy so I don't drink it as often as I should.

Calcium Buildup

Posted by Jo (Surrey, England) on 02/14/2013

I was diagnosed with a frozen shoulder 3 years ago. X-ray showed a build-up of calcium around my shoulder joint. Cortisone injection did absolutely nothing, same with painkillers. Eventually got rid of the raw, tearing pain with acupuncture.

However, 3 years later I still have a lot of stiffness in that shoulder. I was wondering if Chanca Piedra might be worth trying to dissolve the calcium. Any views or advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Replied by Ruth
Harlingen, Texas

You might want to look into vitamin K2. There's a book called Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox. The way I remember it, K2 moves calcium to the places it needs to go and away from the places it shouldn't be.

Replied by Ed2010
Oakville, Canada

Chanca Piedra is a stone breaker. It can help. In addition you need to take foods rich in vitamin K. Vitamin K makes sure that your body's calcium is evenly distributed. It prevents deposit of calcium in one particular area.

First you can opt for food rich in Vitamin K. Natto, (japanese fermented soy) is the ideal food to supply Vitamin K. It is rich in vitamin K than any other food. But the taste of Natto is quite different. you have to acquire it. You can have a cup of natto with bread or rice daily.

Also do at least 20 mins of full body exercise daily.

Good health

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Jo... I also had calcium deposits in the tendons in my shoulder joint that caused me great pain problems -- especially in the morning. In the early 1990s I also went to see a tissue specialist in UK about this problem because it had become such a painful problem. I spent two hours waiting to see the tissue specialist only for him to tell me that he could do nothing to help me. He also told me that his own wife had the same problem as me --for over 15 years!! This from aso-called specialist!! This did not engender much confidence on my part. He did offer to operate on my tendon and individually remove calcium particles but I thought this was a ridiculous solution that would never gaurantee an actual cure to the problem -- so I said no to the op. In the end I cured myself by deliberately and physically damaging my calcified shoulder(I did aikido at the time) -- figuring that if I deliberatey damaged this shoulder area then this would attract the immune system to the area and the calcium particles would be removed. It worked but I wouldn't recommend it!!

Your problem is essentially caused by a high calcium low magnesium diet as well as by lack of other nutrients in the diet.

A better way to deal with the calcified tendon problem would be to supplement the following:

Chanca Piedra - This is a wonderful herb which has a diuretic action that specifically helps to remove excess calcium from tissue and bone sites as well as from the blood. CP is also hypoglycemic (lowers excess blood sugar), and hypolipidemic (lowers excess blood fats). It has many beneficial characteristics:

Dose: Capsules -- 1000 mgs at every meal or drink the tea form 3 times a day. Avoid the the alcoholic extract form - not as good as the aqueous form.

Magnesium -- In the form of magnesium chloride (best form to take), magnesium citrate or mag gluconate. Essentially magnesium helps to regulate calcium in the body. Dose: 250 mgs twice a day.

Vitamin K2, Vitamin A and Vitamin D. This combination also helps to regulate calcium in bone and teeth. Weston Price determined through his own research that in all healthy primitive cultures which had perfect bone and teeth -- this particular combination of healthy vitamins was perhaps the main characteristic reason. These primitive cultures used fats like palm oil(high in vitamin A), coconut oil, butter oil(as clarified butter or ghee) and real grass fed butter -- which all contained healthy amounts of vitamin K2. The Japanese eat natto(acquired taste!! ) which also contains large amounts of Vitamin K2. The human gut flora also produces small amounts of vitamin k2. Weston Price, in his research, also noticed that these healthy primitive cultures had perfect teeth and bone structure right up to and beyong the age of 70 y o. No cavities in the teeth and no bone thinning or bone wasting at old age.

The dosages for these vitamins should be in the proper orthomolecular dosages(not RDA -- way too low) :

Vitamin K2: 1000 mcg per day. You can also get adequate amounts of K2 buy just eating grass fed butter everyday and not margarine.

Vitamin D3: 5,000 iu per day. If you live in a sunny tropical climate -- you wont need to take Vitamin D because your skin plus sun is abe to manufacture up to 20, 000 iu of vitamin D in your skin per day.

Vitamin A: 2,000 iu per day

Perhaps an easier way to take the Vitamin D and Vitamin A together is just to supplement good quality fish oil -- which contains both vitamins in the correct proprotions.

Replied by Sue
Fairfax, Va Usa

Question for Bill: I'm interested in chanca piedra for kidney stones (passed one 2 weeks ago, there are 3 small ones, 1-2mm, in rt. Kidney). But you mention it can remove (excess) calcium from bones, and I have severe osteoporosis... Also, though I am not on blood pressure meds, mine is normally low, about 110/60, with occasional atrial ectopic heartbeats and tachycardia. So I'd be concerned if the herb lowers it further. Do you have any experience with these issues? So very grateful for your thoughts, and all your enormously informative posts!

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Sue... I don't think that your low blood pressure is related or caused by just calcium problems. Osteoporosis is partly caused by a combination of high calcium in the diet and low magnesium intake. Magnesium is what helps to regulate calcium in the blood and cells. This lack of magnesium causes high amounts of calcium to be present in the blood while, because of poor blood calcium and bone regulation, there is constant bone loss and deterioration of the body's bone structure. This loss of bone also occurs for reasons of lack of nutrients needed to help properly regulate bone formation in the body.

Bone formation and bone removal are two separate ongoing processes in the body. The calcitonin hormone from the thyroid is involved in bone formation and the parathyroid governs bone removal. If your body lacks iodine then bone formation will be affected and boron or borax is very important to the parathyroid for normal bone removal. Other nutritional factors -- such as Vitamin D, Vitamin A and Vitamin K2 are also essential for bone formation.

It is quite apparent to me that because you have kidney stone problems, this must mean that you have excess calcium in your blood -- so your excess blood calcium needs to be reduced so you can avoid kidney stone problems in the future. The other half of this problem is caused by eating to much vegetable oils in your diet.

The following protocol will help your osteoporosis problems:

Magnesium Chloride (or Magnesium Oil) -- Ten drops twice a day. You can also use mag citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day.

Borax Water -- 1/8 tspn borax in a litre of water. Drink this mixture throughout the day. Take this remedy for 5 consecutive days then take 2 days off.

Kelp tablets - regular dosages to help thyroid support (calcitonin support).

Vitamin K -- 1000 mcgs once a day.

A Good quality fish oil (Vit A & D).

I also think that it would be safe enough for you to take the Chanca Piedra -- 1000 mgs three times a day with meals -- or drink the tea form three times a day. This will help to gently dissolve and remove the stones in your kidney.

To help with your low blood pressure -- magnesium chloride and sea salt supplementation will help you here. Chlorides (not sodium) are well known to help safely raise blood pressure to normal levels. Dosage for sea salt is 1/2 tspn with water outside mealtimes once a day.

Supplementing both magnesium and iodine from the kelp will also help to resolve your tachycardia heart problems. I also had racing heart problems when I had candida and the iodine plus magnesium resolved this problem quite quickly.

Alot of your problems seem to be linked to lack of magnesium and lack of iodine in your diet.

Replied by Sue
Fairfax, Va Usa

Thank you so much, Bill. While I rarely consume vegetable oil (I use coconut oil) and am already taking many of the supplements you mention (kelp tablets, Iodoral, magnesium, fish oil, vitamin D, K2 and minerals including boron and silica have been part of my regimen for years), obviously it's not working. What you say about calcium/magnesium proportions makes a lot of sense, as well as the chemical forms. I will try the things you suggest, and I really appreciate your time and thoughts! -- Sue

Replied by Kingq
Chonburi, Thailand

What is the best method and dosage of Chanca Piedra to take for gallstones? Capsule or tea? Capsules are easier for me.

Replied by Jennifer
Toronto, CA

I am wondering if anyone can offer some insight. I have multiple kidney stones ranging from 4-9mm in size, and am pregnant. The only solution I have been offered is pain management with some drugs that I am absolutely terrified to take. I know that chanca piedra can break up stones even this size, but am sceptical to begin taking any as it has no studies about safe quantities during pregnancy. Can anyone offer any information as to whether taking a moderate or low dose is an option?

Replied by Bernadine
Gloucester, Ma

Hi, I find chandra piedra works very well for my phosphorus stone problem, but it interferes with my sleep so I have to take a very low dose for short spurts, then after being off try again. It has calmed my renal system totally doing that. Does anyone know if chandra piedra helps get your parathyroids to start producing hormone again? I have both hyperthyroid and hyperparathyroid issues and then at times I fluctuate to hypo. I also have Hashimotos. With this autoimmunity going on it appears that it and much more get past the brain barrier for me and cause the insonmia. Have tried everything and am working on healing my leaky gut, but I am a thin, fit, woman already with alkaline urine ph, and I don't have the associated gut symptoms. I suspect chemical and or heavy metal toxicity. I take lots of magnesium chloride and don't think it effects my sleep. Any advice?

Replied by Marcin
Toronto, Canada

Well, it is a uterine relaxant and I read that the Amazonian use high dosages of it to induce abortion. Maybe you could try Apple Cider Vinegar or magnesium for the kidney stones? Because the stones are made of calcium, supporting with magnesium, which is antagonistic to it, might be a good idea.

Replied by Marcin
Toronto, Canada

Look what I found about Tulsi leaves (Holy Basil):

"Dissolves kidney stones: The holy basil being a great diuretic and detoxifier is great for the kidneys. Tulsi helps reduce the uric acid levels in the blood (one of the main reasons for kidney stones is the presence of excess uric acid in the blood), helps cleanse the kidneys, the presence of acetic acid and other components in its essential oils helps in breaking down kidney stones and its painkiller effect helps dull down the pain of kidney stones. To relieve kidney stones one must have the juice of tulsi leaves with honey, every day for six months to help wash out the stone from the kidney.

Replied by Linda
Dallas, Texas

Chanca Piedra for removing calciums deposits and lowering high blood pressure.

I had ordered some and after taking a dropper full, I became light headed, and had a headache. I also read an article that said after 10 days, blood pressure was not lowered after using chanca Piedra.

Can you give me a location of studies of chanca piedra and testimonies of lowering blood pressure and removing calcium deposits? thanks. Linda

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Linda...Here is some research on Chanca Piedra which is taken from Leslie Taylor's Herbal database. She's the lady who created Raintree Herbals. All of the many research papers on chanca piedra's proven healing properties are declared at the end of the article below.

Chanca piedra

Replied by Bee
New York

Linda.. I am not sure why that happened to you but for me I have been drinking three cups of chanca piedra tea every few days and I am expelling painful gallstones and a bunch of things..I am feeling this is amazing and I am going to keep doing it until my pain is gone.....

The only thing I can think of is maybe you are getting rid of toxins and you had this reaction. I don't know but for me its working well... and I do have high blood pressure but I wasn't using it for that.. maybe an extra bonus..

Replied by Lilykam

Arteriosclerosis: I have blocked Iliac and femoral arteries and refuse to have Angioplasty/Stents etc.

I know Stonebreaker (chanca Piedra) dissolves kidney and gallstones and wanted to know if it will also dissolve calcium in arteries.

Replied by Marcin
Toronto, Canada

I do not know about Chanca piedra, but take Myrrh in powder (make a tea) or in capsules. It scrapes cholesterol out of the body.

Replied by Diane

As far as I understand Chanca Pierda is not safe while pregnant.

Replied by Roberto Arias Hirata
Culiacan, Sinaloa, México

Is very simple. No more carbohydrates

Replied by Peter

I found out that when my girlfriend went to a NUCCA Chiropractor which truly restores posture not the regular chiropractor, it help her normalized lower blood pressure, and couple of other things, Highly recommended for people with muscle and spine, sciatica problems

Replied by Beamer
Brisbane, Australia

D-Limonene will scrape build-ups out of the body. Sweet orange oil is something like 95% D-Limonene. Research it :).

Replied by Kathleen

I would prefer Myrrh capsules. I see where people take 2-3 caps 3 times per day. That is too many for me to take. Is it possible to take less? Also is it hard on the stomach?

Replied by Prioris

You should make sure you are getting Vitamin K2 MK-4 also which is the Wesson Price active X ingredient. In Japan and Netherland they use a high dose K2 MK-4 (15g 3Xday) for curing osteoporosis. They add MCT oil to capsule so it can absorb the fat soluble K2. I take high dose K2 MK-4 along with some MK-7. You want to take fat soluble Vitamin A and D3. I take these with a tiny bit of coconut oil so the K2 will absorb.

Also be aware that the best calcium is MCHA calcium. It is the exact form the body uses. Calcium Citrate is second best.

Also be aware that a bioavailable Silica like JarrowSil or BioSil is what makes bones resilient and fracture proof. This is critical because increasing bone mass alone doesn't give you quality bones. This also provides critical ingredient to collagen and collagen production. It will help you look younger too.

Borax which is highly absorb-able form of boron is also important because it addresses the parathyroid gland issues which stores the most boron. If your parathyroid gland is broken, it will cause calcium metabolic dysfunction like stenosis / bone spurs. It also cures 70% of RA.

Look at Ultra Bone Up supplement ingredient label to see other cofactor support.

I am trying to rid my body of calcium deposits.

Replied by Patti

I have kidney stones due to acidosis--- uric acid. Is Chanca Piedra suitable for this kind of kidney stone? I also have Crohn's Disease and take methotraxate. Than you.

Replied by Paula

Chanca piedra you have mentioned in various posts, in particular, you relayed how taking the CP for fatty liver helped you rid yourself of gallstones as an added benefit years ago. Trying to see if you can mention a few brand options as I have systemic candida, fatty liver, gallstones, and higher than normal cholesterol. I am so tired of inferior brands and reviews that are not truthful in recommending a brand. I trust you and would appreciate your input on the better ones. I would like to try CP as soon as you can provide input. Thanks in advance for your help.


Replied by Toki

Is it also good to drink plenty water for the success of the herb to eliminate kidney stones?

Replied by Sue

What is a good brand of lab grade chanka piedra tincture?

Replied by Kt

I am going to order the Herb Pharm Chanca Piedra tincture. I trust them more because the health food store I used to go to gets supplies from them. Even though LJ, OO and ACV work well, sometimes it takes several days. I have three ureters and don't always notice when stones may be accumulating until my back aches so bad I cannot turn over in bed. I'd like to have the tincture on hand for faster relief if I neglect to take adequate magnesium as a preventative measure.

This is only my opinion because I haven't used it yet but that's what I am going to order and why.


Replied by Ayesha

I have a question for Bill or anyone else who can help.

I have calcified muscles and hard thoracic spine which is pain full and hinders my normal everyday activity and I have gallstones too.

I have been using chanca piedra tea one teaspoon 3 times a day(I pour 1 cup slightly hot water on one teaspoon chanca piedra powder and let it sit overnight, that's how I make three cups) for two weeks. but I haven't noticed any change in my condition. My back is still stiff and painful

Please advise should I increase the dosage or my method of making tea is incorrect.

how long should I do this treatment and im interested in only herbs.

Thanks in advance.


Replied by Janie
Magnolia, Texas

Bill, I also have osteoporosis in my right hip and I have been put on Calcium and vitamin D but my blood test show my calcium is normal. My Vitamin D and magnesium were also within normal range. My Dhea, Estradiol, Progesterone and Protein were low. I am taking a supplement which has calcium algae, Boron, Magnesium and Vitamin D along with vitamin k2 and another supplement of 7 Keto DHEA. But I do have calcium deposits noted on my aortic valve which causes a mild stenosis. Would I be able to take the chanca piedra and expect to see this clear up?

Replied by Bill
The Philippines

Hi Janie...There can be several causes for osteoporosis. You should continue taking the supplements you are taking, including the chanca piedra, but I would add the following supplements as well:

* Take 5% lugol's iodine -- 6 drops a day in a glass of water(work up to this dose slowly). Or you can take 50mgs to 120mgs of potassium iodide per day if you prefer. The iodine/iodide will ensure proper production of the calcitonin thyroid hormone which is the regulating hormone for the bone-forming iconoblasts cells in your bones. So increasing your iodine intake should also help to properly regulate and increase bone formation in your hips and bones.

* For the osteoporosis, I would also take Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy(See Ted's alkalizing remedies on EC). I would also change Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy in the following way. Just add the zest of the lemon(about 1/5 of lemon's surface area) to the alkalizing remedy. Then drink it and make sure you also chew and swallow the lemon zest as well. Take it once a day. Following this simple protocol once a day helps to protect the body's bone density. Lemon peel also contain high concentrations of hesperidin(as well as quercitin, limonene, gallic acid etc), which is a bioflavinoid that helps prevent bone loss in the human body. See this research article:

* To help remove the dangerous LDL LipoA build-up on your heart valve, Linus Pauling's Vitamin C + Lysine protocol is probably the best and cheapest remedy for you. For serious problems ie arteriosclerosis in the heart, I would take 1/4 tspn Ascorbic acid(1000mgs) powder and 1/4 tspn lysine powder(1000mgs) in a half glass of water, at hourly intervals, at least 4 times a day. If you can do it, taking the vitamin C + lysine in a half glass of water 6 or 8 times a day would be much better. The short explanation for this remedy is that the vitamin C actively removes the dangerous build-up of LipoA on the arterial walls whereas the lysine actively deactivates the dangerous LDL(LipoA) in the blood so that it cannot be used to cause artery build-up. Here is an explanation of Linus Pauling's research with some testimonials:

Heart Disease Vitamin C and Linus Pauling

Replied by Mary
Toronto, Ontario

If u r trying to rid your body of calcium, why r u taking the calcium supplements in your regimen?

Chanca Piedra and DHEA

Posted by HisJewel (United States) on 02/17/2020
5 out of 5 stars

RE Chanca Piedra and DHEA,

Just checking in with my DHEA experience and further info on my Chanca piedra experience also. I have been taking 25mgs DHEA. I would simply love it if some of the older women would chime in with what they experienced with DHEA.

As I mentioned last year in April of 2019 my menstruation returned and lasted all of one day. I initially cut down to taking DHEA 2 to 3 days a week, but I found I felt better when taking it at least 5 days a week. I also take Pregnenlone 50mgs on the days when I do not take DHEA, however I have taken both in one day. I just wanted to share that one day monthly may have been the beginning of something unconnected to the DHEA, a Polyp. I thought I was getting a re-visitation because of a poster, an elder lady said that's what happened to her while on DHEA. I did not believe her, but began to wonder that day when I noted my monthly seemed to have returned in April 2019. Anyway, I did go through some trauma and drama at the end of 2019. For 3 months I once again had what I thought was the return of my monthly. I finally went to the doctor because the bleeding was excessive. The verdict was it was a Polyp, The doctor said, it had already began to break apart on its own, she wanted to make an appointment to have it removed or simply watch it. I decided to let the Lord finish the work. I believe it was the Lord that gave me a mind to give the Chanca Piedra a second try before I had even gone to the doctor.

When I took the Chanca Piedra in April last year I got a reaction from it, "the ithes". I did Not have my eye glass on when I read directs before, so the two capsules I was taking equaled 1800mg a day, so what I did this time was only take One capsule instead 900mg a day. This time there was No itching as before. When I looked at the date that I started to take the Chanca Piedra, I wondered if that polyp was already there in April and it started breaking down the Polyp then and that's what caused the bleeding, but I stopped taking it, but it had not fully flushed out yet.

Interesting enough I would fall in and out of love with lemons a lot between those months which probably also help to break it up, and then I topped it off by trying the Chanca Piedra again. Whatever happened, they say the Lord works in mysterious ways bringing about miracles.


Replied by HisJewel
5 out of 5 stars

I see that I was not clear in the amount of Chanca Piedra that I took. The directions said to take two capsules once a day. Each capsule is 900mg. In April 2019, I took two 900mg capsules, that equaled to 1800mg. In January 2020, I tried them again, this time I took one capsule that is 900mg with No problems. Directions on my supplement bottle did not say whether to take with or without food. I generally take mine with, or after breakfast. HisJewel

Chanca Piedra Contraindications

Posted by Nina (London) on 01/31/2014

Chanca piedra - Question to Bill

Is it safe to take chanca piedra if calcium is low?

I have been on haemodialysis for 15 years and I have secondary hyperthyroidism and my calcium is always low.

I'm on calcichew (calcium carbonate) and vitamin D but dont take it regularly . I would like to take chanca piedra but I'm scared because I read your post where you said it depletes calcium.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Nina...If you have low calcium issues then you should not be taking chanca piedra because it is a calcium channel blocker.

I would also further advise that calcium carbonate supplements are probably totally useless for absorption of calcium into the body. Two reasons for this. First, the body absorbs all minerals, including calcium, in their ionic(dissolved) forms. Secondly, calcium carbonate dissolves very poorly in water -- it has an absorption of only 0.001 gms per 100 ml, which is very poor indeed. The better forms of calcium to supplement -- the more soluble forms -- are calcium citrate and the chelated forms of calcium which provide much higher absorption of calcium into the body. I would also start including natural calcium sources like dairy into your diet.

Since you also have hypothyroidism -- this can also cause low calcium issues. Calcitonin, a hormone secreted from the thyroid, controls the osteoblasts for bone formation. This hormone removes calcium from the blood and puts it into bone. So I would advise the Iodine Protocol to help properly control bone formation and to improve your hypothyroid problems as well. The thyroid is completely dependent on proper amounts of iodine in the dietfro hormone production. All processed food diets lack iodine.

I would also start taking Boron supplements or Borax. Boron is necessary for the parathyroid to help regulate the removal of bone calcium into the blood. You have low blood calcium, so this makes sense. The bone forming and bone removal process is perpetually ongoing in your body to renew old bone. If mis-regulation occurs in this process then its possible to have serious calcium issues. That's why its also important to take Magnesium(as mag citrate or mag chloride -- 250 mgs twice a day) to help properly regulate the amount of calcium in the blood and in the cells.

Replied by Roberto Arias Hirata
Culiacan, Sinaloa, México

Excelente y deja todos los carbohidratos.

EC: Translation: excellent and cut out all carbohydrates.

Replied by Martha
Greensboro, Nc

I have a calcium level at 11.1, blood pressure that's always above 160/75, primary hyper parathyroid, nothing seems to lower my blood pressure but l-arginine and it only lowers it for a couple of hours. Is chanca piedra safe for me to take? I also have high chelosterol levels total in the 400's. What do you recommend for me. Thank you Martha

Replied by Laurie
Rochester Hills, Mi


This is not a sales pitch! I had high calcium and pth (parathyroid hormone) docs said we'd "keep an eye on it"...for 15 years. I did some research and found a parathyroid clinic. I asked my endocrinologist if the Norman Parathyroid Clinic was legit, and she told me if my insurance covered any portion, that I should go to Tampa to have the surgery to remove the diseased parathyroid gland/tumor...that the docs at the Norman Parathyroid Clinic (it's located in Tampa General Hospital) were the best...that's all they do, all day, every day...that's why the surgery there is 20 minutes. My scar is less than 1 inch long and is almost invisible. It sounds crazy that I flew from MI to FL for a 20 minute outpatient surgery, but I'm so glad I did. I'm also not one to comment online, but saw your comment and had to reach out. Good luck!!

Replied by Baldev
Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
191 posts

Sorry, the picture is uploaded now.

Could someone look at this and confirm whether it is Chanca Piedra plant?

Thanks Baldev

Replied by Bill
The Philippines

Hi Baldev...I can confirm that your plant photo is definitely not Chanca piedra. The plant in your photo looks like it might be a member of the nightshade family.

Here is a link to some photos of Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) on the stuartxchange website:

In the Philippines, the herb is called sampa-sampalukan. Also note that the seeds form along the underside of the center leaf petioles and are most abundant at the top of the plant. This is unique to chanca piedra -- no other plant form their seeds under the petiole like this. This is how you can identify this plant so easily. CP only grows to a maximum height of about 50 to 60 cms.

Here is some more research on this herb from The Rain-Tree Tropical Plant Database which might also interest you:

Chanca Piedra Side Effects

Posted by Jill D. (United States) on 04/13/2019
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Wondered if you have heard of anyone reacting to the Chanca Piedra in any way. I seem to begin to itch in my arm pits between my fingers, groin area, ankles and I did get some redness on my face.. Great for the pain so cut down dosage to see if I can work into its use. Any thoughts on the itching would be helpful. Thanks.

Replied by Katy

Jill, It could possibly be contributing to a cleansing, thus coming out through your skin. I see this often when folks are detoxing from Yeast in the body - you may want to back off the amount you are taking...also drink plenty of water, make sure moving your bowels and consider a probiotic as well.

Replied by HisJewel
United States
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Hi Jill, I had the same reaction. All over itchy, especially my ankles, and lower legs. I scratched my lower legs so bad with my nails that I had scabs and had to use iodine to help them heal. I was taking 1000mgs Chanca Piedra. I had read its wonderful benefits and wanted to try it. I only took it for a week or two. I must have been taking way to much. it took about 3 weeks for my skin to completely calm down. All is well now, however i will wait until I learn more about this one again before I try it again. HisJewel

Replied by HisJewel
United States

Hi again Jill D. I decided to go ahead and look up sided effects of Chanca Piedra. I found out there are two types of Chanca Piedra: Phyllanthus niruri and Phyllanthus amarus. The first mention Phyilanthus niruri is said to be safe non toxic with few side effects. The second mentioned Phyilanthus and in High doses could be toxic and may be harmful to kidneys.. I tried it out Chanca Piedra about February 2019, the company I ordered from does not say what type of Chanca Piedra it is, it just says organic and says to take 1000mg once a day. Which proved too strong for me. Hisjewel.

Replied by Vicki
5 out of 5 stars

I don't know about mentioning brand names on here, but Swanson has the niruri variety. I took a lot of it with no allergy or other symptoms for quite awhile.This has been over 4 yrs. ago. I didn't pass any stones, but noticed cloudy urine the 1st few times I took it. I assumed it was clearing my kidneys & that's what that was. I eventually used up all but one bottle of that great sale order & MOL forgot about it.

BTW, I got Hep B in 1980 & nearly died, then was hospitalized & dosed (not long after an old naturopath saved my life from that & about 4 other concurrent illnesses) by a traditional doctor for bronchitis with an IV antibiotic I TOLD him specifically not to use because it's contraindicated for liver patients. That pretty much finished off my liver. I recently began experiencing bloating of then pain & shrinkage of what has to be my liver. I also have MG & now have CHF & HBP which is killing my kidneys. I am about to scrape up the funds to buy another batch of the niruri & save myself this time.

I used potassium citrate for one of my little dogs with kidney stones & damage from the Sam's melanine contaminated/fortified dog cookies that killed so many pets in the mid 2000s, but I read it can cause potassium problems if not used carefully. Hope this helps someone.

Gallbladder Attacks, Detox, High Blood Sugar

Posted by Nicole (Chantilly, Va) on 01/19/2017
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My daughter was having an extremely painful gallbladder attack and I gave her the herb Chanca Piedra and it quickly subsided. I always have it on hand as I use it for myself for general detoxing of the gallbladder, liver, and kidneys of sludge and stones. I presumed this was the cause of her pain based on the location.

I continued to give her 1 pill a day for another week (after the first day of 2 pills) and she has had no signs of gallbladder issues like she used to get. Now I give her just 1-2 pills a week for safe measure. She would occasionally also get twinges and sharp pains in the past that were temporary...but those have completely stopped as well. It's an amazing herb that aids in all digestion issues, softens stones and sludge in your gallbladder and kidneys so your body and excrete them, detoxes and cleanses the liver/kidney/gallbladder, and is also anti-parasitic. The first time I took it my urine became cloudy one time, for the first time in my life. I became concerned and looked it up and discovered that it's actually a sign that your kidneys are cleansing/detoxing. It made sense and I was pretty amazed.

It does lower blood sugar slightly so if you're hypoglycemic I don't recommend it. I take 1 pill a day for occasional time I went to 2 pills and started feeling symptoms of low blood sugar so had eat. One pill I'm fine though. Incidentally I do give it to my dad and my son who have high blood sugar issues and it helps them. It's also known as an herb for diabetics.

Replied by Margare
Syracuse New York

Thank you for your helpful post, can I ask what brand of tablets you use of chianca piedra and where you purchase?

Thanks a lot.

Gallbladder Stones

Posted by Lisa (England) on 12/20/2015
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My gallbladder is packed with stones -- and despite many liver flushes - it just wasn't moving the stones out quickly enough (and my health was failing as a result).

Long story short - yesterday I received 100ml of Chanca Piedra in tincture form (suspended in glycerin; 1:1, glycerin). I started taking 2ml per dose (a couple of drops), followed by filtered water. Am also taking a swig of apple cider vinegar (it enhances and helps! ) daily.

It's been 24 hours since I started taking Chanca Piedra and tonight I passed two large stones. One the size of a walnut. The other was flattish but thick - like the shape of the side of the gallbladder - very large (I couldn't stop staring at it - in wonder, how it came out!! ). Minimal discomfort! In fact, once I started taking the Chanca Piedra - the pain was quite diminished and I could feel something different going on in my gut.

Tonight, I decided to do a coffee enema because I was developing a nasty headache; a sign of toxins leaking into my system. (it's not good if gallstones sit in the bowel, or the toxins are taken back into the system via the bowel walls). Anyway, that's when the stones came out. Headache immediately gone!

This stuff is nothing short of amazing!!

P.S. I took 5 doses yesterday - and 5 doses today. Will continue, until I feel the gallbladder is cleared out. My tummy is way less distended than it was yesterday, as well!!

Hepatitis B

Posted by Frank (Kenya) on 08/17/2013
5 out of 5 stars

Was Hep B+, took chanca piedra (boiled- which grows as a weed locally) for about 6months, the virus fully cleared!

Replied by Leon

I really need help with hep b.... Any one out there.... Should I stop doctor medication and start BHT and chandra piedra... Any advise plz

Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York

You will NEVER get me to advise going against a doctor's advice. If you choose to try BHT and or chianca piedra, I suggest doing so along with any prescribed medications...Oscar

Replied by Timh
Ky, Usa
2111 posts

Leon: Good news is there are a variety of treatments effective at killing Hep-c AND restoring liver function. The path you take to wellness is your choices, so here's a link? to the hep-c page for your perusal.

Back to the decision making process. You have 3 options: 1. Fallow your MD's prescription & advice, and monitor your outcome. Did you get better?? If no, 2. Try integrating the conventional medicine prescription w/ alternative remedies here or 3. Stop conventional med treatment (assuming it's not working) and adopt an alternative med protocol while monitoring results.

Replied by Nur

Hi Frank, Good news. How you boiled and eat it? Boiled mean cooking or something else? Requested to share recipe.

Replied by Shella
Saudi Arabia, Jeddah

I am in saudi arabia & dont no where can I buy lab grade chanca piedra capsules or powder or seeds

Replied by Lorey

Sheila, try for Chanca Piedra.

Replied by Josephine

am Josephine from South Sudan am chronic Hbv and I got the web site I got the chanco the wild not planted am continue taking I just boil water and get the greens dip into the hot water and drinking it like tea am not yet gone for check up for how long will I drink and how is it suppose to be take and is the wild one Good

Replied by Teena
Melbourne, Australia
180 posts

Josephine, I have not used chanca piedra for hbv but would recommend covering and steeping your tea for minimum 20 minutes before you drink. Steeping longer brings out the bitter properties which can only be beneficial for the liver. Best to you.

Replied by Deborah

Hey Frank, what's the local name for this plant, please?

How to Prepare

Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 09/28/2012

I have used the decoction of CP on a man who had painful arthritis in one knee which was swollen to the size of a small football. He couldn't walk anymore. After five days of taking the CP decoction, the knee was back to normal with no pain and he could walk again. Little known also that CP has such remarkable anti-inflammatory and painkilling properties like this.

But if you take CP, you must take it as a tea or decoction -- this is the best and most absorbable way to take it. I also do not trust tablets that undergo chemical processing and have unnecessary additives -- as this can hinder proper absorption into the body.

So if you buy CP -- try and get the organic powder from a good and honest organic seller like the one shown in this link:

Chanca Piedra Source

Replied by Ed2010
Oakville, Canada

Hi Bill, Can you explain the recipe to make Chanca Piedra - Phylanthus Niruri decoction. I take it as mixing 1/2 tsp cp with a glass of water, leaving it for 5 mins. And then drink it. I like to test your method to see its effects. thanks

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Ed2010... I use one whole chanca piedra plant, with roots included, for the decoction. I chop the plant up, bruise the stem amd roots to open it up, then add it to a large pan. I add 2 litres of water. Then I boil this gently to reduce the liquid in the pan down to about 1 litre.

I let it cool then decant the liquid off, strain it, and put it into a sealed glass container and store it in the fridge. The way that I take my doses is by filling a glass a third full with the CP decoction and then topping up with fresh orange juice. CP tastes quite bitter so fruit juice does help to get it down.

If you are buying the CP powder, then you can take this as a tea with fruit juce or with hot green tea perhaps - say mixed with a 1/4 of a teaspoon CP powder. Drink two or three cups a day.

Replied by Ed2010
Oakville, Canada

Hi Bill, during my childhood, I used to pluck one full plant of CP and eat it raw. Now, I am taking 1/4 tsp of CP powder in a glass of water occasionaly. Thanks for your recipe.

Kidney Stones

Posted by Judy (Michigan) on 09/06/2019
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I started having very painful kidney stones about 10 years ago. I'd have at least one a year and then nothing for awhile, then more stones. I have always been able to pass them, but not without several days of excruciating pain.

After having the last one 3 years ago, I searched the internet for a cure and chanca piedra popped up. I purchased a tincture of chanca and after taking for several days, I passed a large stone without having pain.

Several days later I passed a number of very small ones. I have been using this tincture daily for the last 3 years without having any more kidney stones. My question taking it daily for an indefinite period of time safe? I do take magnesium and potassium along with other vitamins because of the diuretic effect of Chanca piedra.

Posted by Sanjay (Bangalore, India) on 12/09/2012

Hello. I'd come across knowing about 'Chanca Piedra', a natural remedy for Kidney stones. I'm one among those millions suffer from kidney stones. Recently I had expelled one thro' urine and got to know it was Calcium Oxalate.

Could you help me provide a consultation about "Chanca Piedra" to know if it would be a real permanent remedy for kidney stones. Can I know how can I get it (pills) in Bangalore, India.

Thanks in advance. Sanjay

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Sanjay... Chanca piedra is well known in India. It is known and used widely in Ayurvedic medicines and is called bhumyamalaki. There are also many Indian herbal formulations such as Chayawanprash that contain Chanca piedra and these are fairly cheap. So you might be able to actually buy the Chanca piedra or bhumyamalaki from an Ayurvedic herbal vendor where you live.

You might also be able to buy the Chanca piedra at the malls where you live. But this, I think might be expensive.

What you really need to get rid of kidney stones is to take the tea form of Chanca piedra. You can buy one pound bags organic Chanca piedra powder at this internet site reasonably cheaply:

Failing this, Chanca piedra grows all over the lowlands of India, so you might be able to find it locally and even grow your own CP and make the tea or decoction for no cost. The plant grows about one meter high and looks like this:

Replied by Mae
Mandaue City, Cebu

hi, I'm hepa B positive.. I just read about chanca piedra that can help heal hepa B.. I search it and I saw plants same as the picture of chanca piedra but my problem is how will I know that this is really the one.. I have no one here to ask and will aproved it if this the one im looking for... And the 2nd problem is there is no store to buy it.. im already asking healthy option and herbal stall in the but to no avail.. please help

Replied by Andrei
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
5 out of 5 stars

A family friend recommended Chanca Piedra to my brother as a natural way of removing kidney stones about four years ago. He took it in capsule form as it is more convenient than brewing the plant. Very effective indeed!

Replied by Diane
New Jersey

Hi Bill,

I have just been diagnosed with a 2.5mm kidney stone which was too dense to respond to laser lithotripsy. I believe my doctor wants to go the kidney surgery route next which would be a nightmare for me! I may be able to put it off for a few months, but I am on borrowed time. I read in your previous posts that "tea" is your preferred method - is this just putting a powder in hot water or letting the leaves soak for a few minutes, then straining? I have also bought the "liquid herbal extract" - is this the water extract you referred to? I need something that works quickly and effectively (you should have seen the look on the doctor's face when I referenced CP). I appreciate any tips you can give me - I am new at this thing. Thanks.

Replied by Diane
New Jersey

Bill -

Correction to my post: The size of kidney stone is 2.5 cm. Sorry! Thanks so much!

Replied by Ben
Bremerton, Wa

if you have a kidney stone the safest and least painful method to remove it is by dissolving it with a mineral solution doctors been using for many years to remove soft tissue calcifications in cancer patients called Gallium nitrate. This solution works quickly and there is no pain, you simply pee out a white sludge that used to be a kidney stone

here is an article about one womans experience at kidney stone removal using gallium nitrate

Now chanca piedra herb is also effective at kidney stone removal but it can take awhile since it is much slower acting.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Diane...Take either the tea or the capsule form of Chanca piedra for best effect. Make absolutely sure there has been no high heat, additives or chemicals applied to the herb. Make sure to buy organic or wild-crafted CP for the best outcome. The CP will gently remove the stone -- but sometimes its quite quick. There was a gent who emailed me four years ago who had a seriously large kidney stone problem. He said in his email that he had just taken the first dose of CP that day and was wondering whether the dose was OK. Next day a joyous email arrived where the man stated that the large Kidney stone (he called it a 'boulder') was successfuly expelled without any problems the next morning.

The Chinese understand well the the importance of the synergistic behaviour of herbs in TCM -- the main beneficial action of most herbs is because of the unique combination of hundreds of natural chemicals in the plant. Allopathic research tends to do the exactly opposite -- just find a singular plant chemical nutrient that has some beneficial action against a certain disease, isolate that one chemical, and then invent a patented chemical equivalent that hasn't got a chance of being recognized by the human body thus causing a hundred side effects. That's also why the drugs companies and doctors won't or can't use herbs -- because allopathic research always demands "standardization of ingredients". That means only one or two ingredients in the herb are [chemically] emphasized and, along the way, you completely destroy the natural, combined beneficial synergistic chemical healing effects of all the chemicals that these herbs contain in the first place. Stupidity itself.

I also agree with Ben, gallium nitrate is extremely effective for hypercalcemic problems and is very effective against many pathogen species. Both Gallium Nitrate and Chanca piedra are effective against kidney stones, but the real difference between them is the price.

From George Eby's website a 14% half liter bottle of gallium nitrate solution will cost you $90. And a 42% half liter will cost you $250. This is a fair price for gallium nitrate. But its a Rare Earth metal -- so that means its rare and therefore unavoidably expensive.

A thirty day supply of wild-crafted Chanca piedra will probably cost you about $15. Up to you. If you take the capsules then I would take at least 500 mgs twice a day for best effect.

Replied by Diane
New Jersey

Bill and Ben,

I have to thank you both so much for your help. A site like this can give so much relief, knowing that there are others in the same circumstance and knowledgeable people like you who encourage a natural approach. I will look into both suggestions.

I have to say Bill, you made a very good point about high heat - I had been taking CP liquid tincture in a very hot (to hot to drink right away) cup of water for 3 weeks with a "weak" effect at best - that may have been my mistake.

Bill, if I use the CP capsules, is it safe to use them at this 1000 mg/day dosage for several months? All I've ever gotten is sand. How do I know when to stop? These have been "silent obstructions", so until the x-ray, I don't know if I'm clear.

Thank you both again -

Boy, would I love to show the doctors a clean x-ray!

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Diane...I would just keep taking the Chanca piedra on a daiy basis until the 'sand' stops coming out. Also, CP has no known toxicity when used in large amounts over a lengthy period of time. So you're pretty safe with CP.

Replied by Diane
New Jersey

Hi Bill...It turns out that the kidney stones I have (incl. the 2.5 cm.) are uric acid/calcium. I am continuing on the CP capsules and have added 240 mg/day magnesium (as amino acid chelate) as well as doctor's prescription of potassium citrate (15 meq). The Dr.says I will never dissolve these stones and wants to operate through my back and retrieve them. Will the chanca piedra still work on these types of stones? I will continue the CP regimen for as long as I have to if it means avoiding this surgery. I am also going to start the tea form if it is more potent. Thank you so much.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Diane...Chanca piedra is well know to dissolve cysts as well as stones that contain high amounts of calcium and that's because of CP's wonderful and gentle ability to liquify calcium. Since you have such a severe problem I also think that you should at least double the dose of the Chanca piedra that you are currently using since CP is very friendly and has no known overdose limit or side-effects. This should help to work more quickly in dissolving your serious stone problems which are such a priority with you.

If all else fails, you could perhaps try using a 1% solution -- drink one litre per day -- of gallium nitrate which is used currently by modern medicine to reduce calcium in the blood for cancer patients. But this will be much more expensive for you than using Chanca piedra. You can read all of Dr George Eby's research concerning gallium nitrate here. Eby also firmly believes that gallium nitrate is very effective at killing any calcium-loving nanobacteria that are also sometimes involved with kidney problems and kidney stones.

My own opinion is that what you are taking now -- Chanca piedra and magnesium -- should be enough to resolve your stone problems. Just give it a little time. And I also would agree with you about the tea form of CP. I think its more effective than the capsule form.

Replied by Diane
New Jersey

Bill, thank you so much for your prompt response -

2 more questions:

Are there any dietary restrictions/limitations during this regimen (dairy, calcium, oxalates, purines)?
Can the tea form of chanca piedra also be taken daily for a longer duration(months)?

Your input is much appreciated - thank you.

Replied by Priya
South Africa

Hello, is chanca piedra available in South Africa?

Replied by Eileen

To:Andrei of Oklahoma, can you kindly state how did your brother took chanca capsule, like, how many capsule did he took a day? Tnx

Replied by Diane
Pompton Lakes, Nj Usa


I just wanted to touch base with you-

I've been on 3 cups/day of chanca piedra tea + magnesium and potassium citrate daily for about a year now. There a no changes in 2.5cm. stone size according to ultrasound, although I don't know if density has changed. I will stick with it if this needs more time, or will increase dosage of tea if necessary. I am not in any pain at all, and don't mind continuing with this regimen, but would like to dissolve this boulder once and for all. I am hesitant to go the gallium nitrate route as I prefer a gentler way of dissolving such a large kidney stone. Can chanca piedra take this long to work? Thanks so much for your input.

Replied by Art
644 posts

In reply to Diane (Pompton Lakes, Nj Usa),

I've only used the 500mg capsules taken two at breakfast, 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner for a total of 3 grams per day. This generally works for me within two weeks or less. My friends that have tried it have had pretty much the same experience as me.

Bill Thompson has stated previously that the tea works well also, but I don't remember how much tea he recommended per day. Chanca Piedra can sometimes have a rather strong taste so I avoid the tea in order to avoid the taste.

This is what I and my friends have used to good effect:


Replied by Joanne
Victoria, Canada

Yes, it will work. Best to add K2 and D drops to your diet to avoid them in the first place.

Replied by Toki
Liberia, Monrovia

I was wondering why 2.5mmstone is too dense for lithotripsy.

Anyways, CP is well recommended to break kidney stones and move them out by urine.

Currently, I've just started taking it 2g two times daily (which is 4 capsules twice a day). I have a 0.69 cm (6.90 mm) kidney stone. I am praying also that it will work out for me, also drinking plenty water a day.

Posted by Big Pygmy (New York City, New York) on 10/07/2011
5 out of 5 stars

Chanca Piedra is a MIRACLE! I recently had my fourth kidney stone (I'm 53, vegetarian, very healthy). I toughed it out but after HOURS of agonizing pain and realizing I had two at once, which might mean hours more pain I finally went to the emergency room at 3 a.m. They gave me some strong painkiller (tylenol w/codeine previously was worthless). They do an MRI and find three more stones in my left kidney, just sitting there waiting to torture me. I go home, scour the web, scour my herb books. I discover Chanca Piedra here at Earth Clinic. Local herb shop has it (Herb Pharm product called Stone Breaker, it also contains hydrangea root, celery seed and Burdock seed). Herbalist recommends I also take marshmallow for good mucous membrane health. I take them for two weeks. I feel three stones pass PAINLESSLY. I find last two of them in toilet, they look ENORMOUS. I bow down to the Chanca Piedra. Get some and keep it on hand- it is also an analgesic, you can take it during an attack.

I found out that a lot of studies have been done on this herb. They all agree- Chanca Piedra is the rill dilly-o even from a western perspective. Also clears gallstones and heals your liver. Just an AMAZING herb! It should be much better known.

Replied by Abigail
North Carolina

Hi! I have been taking Chanca Piedra for about a week and today my kidney is absolutely killing me. Is this normal while taking this medicine? I'm taking it for kidney stones.

Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe

Abigail, I would stop taking it until the pain stops. Then you might start again but in a much lower dose.

Multiple Cures

Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines) on 03/06/2011
5 out of 5 stars

I've been living in the Philippines for over five years now. As an uprooted Englishman, my own adjustment to the tropical climate was necessarily swift. For some years I've had a fascination for and have used herbs, but I was astounded at the proliferation and variety of fresh tropical herbs that I am now able to grow in my garden so easily. These range from simple well known herbs like Thyme and Oregano to more oblique herbs like Chanca Piedra, Heart Vine, Aloe Vera, Tumeric root and Neem. So, over a period of time, I experimented and used many of these herbs very successfully for my own systemic candida and other problems, which are now all gone. I have also used both Heart Vine and Chanca Piedra over the years to successfully help people with diabetes, gout, high blood pressure, arthritis and candida problems.

There was one old Filipino who was quite badly constipated -- in a serious condition -- he hadn't been able to go to the toilet for over a month!! His family had tried all the usual laxatives with no success at all. I figured it must have been a blockage caused by a lack of liver bile, so I gave him the Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine remedy. He had a rather large evacuation after about 3 days of taking this decoction and he is now fine.
But I have had more recent success with my old and favourite Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine decoction remedy. I live behind a large but poor Filipino shanty where I have a friendly relationship with the community. They are lovely, happy people. Recently, an uncle of a Filipino friend said he went to the doctor complaining of abdominal shooting pains and bloating. The doctors diagnosed gallstones and insisted that they would have to operate to remove the gallbladder (gallbladder removal rarely, if ever, cures gallstones in the long run).

But the uncle was far too poor and couldn't afford the operation anyway. So a family member mentioned this problem to me and I taught him how to recognize and find the herbs, which all grow in the area, and I showed him how to make the standard decoction -- which consists of just two herbs -- Heart Vine (Tinospora cordifolia) and Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) with daily dosages. In the Philippines, both these plants are regarded as useless weeds believe it or not. But in Indian Ayurvedic medicine these two herbs are revered for their rejuvenating and tonic properties.
Anyway, two months went by and word was eventually passed to me that the uncle with the gallbladder problem had successfully passed out all his gallstones naturally while taking the decoction and he was healthy once again. I really love it when I get feedback like this. To me it is simply the best sort of confirmation whether a remedy works or not.

EC: Bill's above feedback on Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine was originally published in our recent 02/28/2011 newsletter. Read the newsletter in entirety here.

Replied by Isabelle
Cotonou, Benin

Bill, would you have the name of these plants in french? I even searched with the botanical names you gave, but couldn't find them. Are they plants only growing in Phillipines? Do we have the equivalance in France or better, in West Africa? as many people around me suffer from chronic constipation.

Thanks again, and God bless your work.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines

Hi Isabelle, Chanca Piedra (Phylanthus niruri) and Heart Vine (Tinospora cordifolia) are easily found using Google Search or Google Images. Here are some pictures and herbal descriptions for each plant which should help you.

Chanca Piedra
This plant is unique because it bears all its small seeds underneath and along the very center of its leaf stem. This plant stands about 30 - 50 cms high

Heart Vine
This vine herb has a unique pimply stem. Here is a description with some photos of the plant.

I'm afraid I was unable to locate any French equivalent names -- but even using French sites on the web you should be to find them using their Latin equivalent names. Both these plants are lowland tropical plants which should exist in similar areas of West Africa.

Also, both using virgin coconut oil and Neem leaf tea (Azadirachta indica) would also be highly protective for the intestines against infection, constipation, parasites etc. These plants are also widely found in the tropics.

Best regards,

Bill :)

Replied by John
South Carolina Usa

Bill, thank you for the information on your home grown herbs. Do you have a source for the seeds of the tropical herbs you grow? Thank you.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi John...Unfortunately, almost every herb that I grow is grown from local cuttings or twigs and there is no need to buy the seeds. The Chanca Piedra grows as a profuse weed in my garden which I am very thankful for. My partner does buy seeds from the local market in San Fernando to grow okra, sunflowers etc so she really has no need of an internet source. We also buy one or two herbs -- such as Aloe barbadensis and Holy Basil from the local garden centers. I try and avoid internet purchases if I can because the costs can be pretty high for shipment to the Philippines.

Replied by Debra

Hi Bill,

I was wondering if you would consider selling me some seeds from your Chanca Piedra plants. I'm in Australia and have searched tirelessly for weeks to find them online with no luck. I really want to grow this plant myself to make my own tinctures. Any help would be much appreciated.


Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Debra...I'm afraid exporting/importing whole live plants/seeds from one country to another is extremely complicated, laden with rules, expensive and just not viable I'm afraid. It's also unlikely that Chanca piedra will ever be sold as a garden plant -- because it is a very plain plant that is essentially a weed with small flowers.

My opinion is that Chanca piedra might also grow in the jungle regions of northern Australia because chanca piedra also definitely grows in the western Pacific Rim islands and countries opposite northern Australia -- all jungle areas. So perhaps you could take a holiday sometime in these hotter Aussie jungle regions and find the plant and pick the seeds and grow them for free.

Chanca piedra grows about a meter in height. It's one single distinguishing and unique feature is that its small seeds can be found directly underneath and along the main stem petiole of the leaves of the plant. Here is an image of it to show you what I mean:

Chanca Piedra

If you use Google images search, then you can find plenty of images of Chanca piedra. And if you can adequately recognize the plant from this one unique feature that I've described, then you may well be able to recognize and find it in the jungle regions of northern Australia.

Replied by Debra

Thanks Bill,

I know a guy who was making a tea from it which he was getting from an old guy in the next suburb but the guy died. I'm even thinking of seeing if I can get the address and got and ask the new owners if I could buy the plant of them but not sure if I can even get the address. You might be right though, they may not let it in via customs. Thank you anyway. Debra

Replied by Léa

Hello Bill Can you please help me to tell how much tinospora cordifolia and chanca piedra should I take and for how long to pass one single 1.5 cm / 22 mm gall stone? My doctor ask me to remove gall bladder and I am very scared of surgery please help.


Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines

Hi Lea...Just use Chanca piedra (CP) on its own for gallstones -- that should easily be enough to dissolve and get rid of them. After all, CP's other nick-name is "Stone Breaker" with a long and highly successful history and reputation for dissolving both kidney stones and gallstones.

Take the Chanca piedra as a tea four times a day if you can (CP is not poisonous). If this is not possible then take 500 mgs capsules three times a day.

Avoid buying any herbs that have added chemicals or are denoted as "chemically standardized". Adding chemicals to the herb ruins the synergicity of all the herb's active natural chemical components and so this form does not work so well. Instead, you should always buy herbs that are either organic or wild-crafted in order to preserve the natural synergicity of the chemicals in the herb. This form always works the best.

It's difficult to say how long it will take to dissolve your stone. In fact, it's probably more correct to say that you probably have many gallstones and not just one stone. I estimate that you will see results within the week and you should feel much better after 3 or 4 weeks on this protocol. I would also cut down on dairy foods for a while -- avoid foods like milk, cheese, yoghurt. Calcium is a formative constituent of gallstones, so you should also avoid calcium rich foods.

Also, taking magnesium citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day with meals -- will also help to both alkalize the cells and it will also help to more properly balance the Calcium in the body.

Also be aware that supplementing CP lowers blood presssure, lowers blood sugar and helps to remove excess calcium from the blood. So if you are currently taking any drugs that do the same thing -- then taking CP might be contraindicated.

Replied by Nanette
Gainesville Florida

For the decocción for constipation

What amount of leaf of vine heart? and what amount from chanca piedra?in how many cups of water? How many cups to take a day?

Where to Buy

Posted by Suseeq (Sydney, Australia) on 08/25/2015

Just wondering - has anybody in Australia been able to get their hands on chanca piedra as I would like to try for gallstones. Thank you.

Replied by Terry

Amazon sells chanca piedra.