Was Hep B+, took chanca piedra (boiled- which grows as a weed locally) for about 6months, the virus fully cleared!
My gallbladder is packed with stones -- and despite many liver flushes - it just wasn't moving the stones out quickly enough (and my health was failing as a result).
Long story short - yesterday I received 100ml of Chanca Piedra in tincture form (suspended in glycerin; 1:1, glycerin). I started taking 2ml per dose (a couple of drops), followed by filtered water. Am also taking a swig of apple cider vinegar (it enhances and helps! ) daily.
It's been 24 hours since I started taking Chanca Piedra and tonight I passed two large stones. One the size of a walnut. The other was flattish but thick - like the shape of the side of the gallbladder - very large (I couldn't stop staring at it - in wonder, how it came out!! ). Minimal discomfort! In fact, once I started taking the Chanca Piedra - the pain was quite diminished and I could feel something different going on in my gut.
Tonight, I decided to do a coffee enema because I was developing a nasty headache; a sign of toxins leaking into my system. (it's not good if gallstones sit in the bowel, or the toxins are taken back into the system via the bowel walls). Anyway, that's when the stones came out. Headache immediately gone!
This stuff is nothing short of amazing!!
P.S. I took 5 doses yesterday - and 5 doses today. Will continue, until I feel the gallbladder is cleared out. My tummy is way less distended than it was yesterday, as well!!
I've been living in the Philippines for over five years now. As an uprooted Englishman, my own adjustment to the tropical climate was necessarily swift. For some years I've had a fascination for and have used herbs, but I was astounded at the proliferation and variety of fresh tropical herbs that I am now able to grow in my garden so easily. These range from simple well known herbs like Thyme and Oregano to more oblique herbs like Chanca Piedra, Heart Vine, Aloe Vera, Tumeric root and Neem. So, over a period of time, I experimented and used many of these herbs very successfully for my own systemic candida and other problems, which are now all gone. I have also used both Heart Vine and Chanca Piedra over the years to successfully help people with diabetes, gout, high blood pressure, arthritis and candida problems.
There was one old Filipino who was quite badly constipated -- in a serious condition -- he hadn't been able to go to the toilet for over a month!! His family had tried all the usual laxatives with no success at all. I figured it must have been a blockage caused by a lack of liver bile, so I gave him the Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine remedy. He had a rather large evacuation after about 3 days of taking this decoction and he is now fine.
But I have had more recent success with my old and favourite Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine decoction remedy. I live behind a large but poor Filipino shanty where I have a friendly relationship with the community. They are lovely, happy people. Recently, an uncle of a Filipino friend said he went to the doctor complaining of abdominal shooting pains and bloating. The doctors diagnosed gallstones and insisted that they would have to operate to remove the gallbladder (gallbladder removal rarely, if ever, cures gallstones in the long run).
But the uncle was far too poor and couldn't afford the operation anyway. So a family member mentioned this problem to me and I taught him how to recognize and find the herbs, which all grow in the area, and I showed him how to make the standard decoction -- which consists of just two herbs -- Heart Vine (Tinospora cordifolia) and Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) with daily dosages. In the Philippines, both these plants are regarded as useless weeds believe it or not. But in Indian Ayurvedic medicine these two herbs are revered for their rejuvenating and tonic properties.
Anyway, two months went by and word was eventually passed to me that the uncle with the gallbladder problem had successfully passed out all his gallstones naturally while taking the decoction and he was healthy once again. I really love it when I get feedback like this. To me it is simply the best sort of confirmation whether a remedy works or not.
EC: Bill's above feedback on Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine was originally published in our recent 02/28/2011 newsletter. Read the newsletter in entirety here.
My daughter was having an extremely painful gallbladder attack and I gave her the herb Chanca Piedra and it quickly subsided. I always have it on hand as I use it for myself for general detoxing of the gallbladder, liver, and kidneys of sludge and stones. I presumed this was the cause of her pain based on the location.
I continued to give her 1 pill a day for another week (after the first day of 2 pills) and she has had no signs of gallbladder issues like she used to get. Now I give her just 1-2 pills a week for safe measure. She would occasionally also get twinges and sharp pains in the past that were temporary...but those have completely stopped as well. It's an amazing herb that aids in all digestion issues, softens stones and sludge in your gallbladder and kidneys so your body and excrete them, detoxes and cleanses the liver/kidney/gallbladder, and is also anti-parasitic. The first time I took it my urine became cloudy one time, for the first time in my life. I became concerned and looked it up and discovered that it's actually a sign that your kidneys are cleansing/detoxing. It made sense and I was pretty amazed.
It does lower blood sugar slightly so if you're hypoglycemic I don't recommend it. I take 1 pill a day for occasional detoxing...one time I went to 2 pills and started feeling symptoms of low blood sugar so had eat. One pill I'm fine though. Incidentally I do give it to my dad and my son who have high blood sugar issues and it helps them. It's also known as an herb for diabetics.
Hi Jo... I also had calcium deposits in the tendons in my shoulder joint that caused me great pain problems -- especially in the morning. In the early 1990s I also went to see a tissue specialist in UK about this problem because it had become such a painful problem. I spent two hours waiting to see the tissue specialist only for him to tell me that he could do nothing to help me. He also told me that his own wife had the same problem as me --for over 15 years!! This from aso-called specialist!! This did not engender much confidence on my part. He did offer to operate on my tendon and individually remove calcium particles but I thought this was a ridiculous solution that would never gaurantee an actual cure to the problem -- so I said no to the op. In the end I cured myself by deliberately and physically damaging my calcified shoulder(I did aikido at the time) -- figuring that if I deliberatey damaged this shoulder area then this would attract the immune system to the area and the calcium particles would be removed. It worked but I wouldn't recommend it!!
Your problem is essentially caused by a high calcium low magnesium diet as well as by lack of other nutrients in the diet.
A better way to deal with the calcified tendon problem would be to supplement the following:
Chanca Piedra - This is a wonderful herb which has a diuretic action that specifically helps to remove excess calcium from tissue and bone sites as well as from the blood. CP is also hypoglycemic (lowers excess blood sugar), and hypolipidemic (lowers excess blood fats). It has many beneficial characteristics:
Dose: Capsules -- 1000 mgs at every meal or drink the tea form 3 times a day. Avoid the the alcoholic extract form - not as good as the aqueous form.
Magnesium -- In the form of magnesium chloride (best form to take), magnesium citrate or mag gluconate. Essentially magnesium helps to regulate calcium in the body. Dose: 250 mgs twice a day.
Vitamin K2, Vitamin A and Vitamin D. This combination also helps to regulate calcium in bone and teeth. Weston Price determined through his own research that in all healthy primitive cultures which had perfect bone and teeth -- this particular combination of healthy vitamins was perhaps the main characteristic reason. These primitive cultures used fats like palm oil(high in vitamin A), coconut oil, butter oil(as clarified butter or ghee) and real grass fed butter -- which all contained healthy amounts of vitamin K2. The Japanese eat natto(acquired taste!! ) which also contains large amounts of Vitamin K2. The human gut flora also produces small amounts of vitamin k2. Weston Price, in his research, also noticed that these healthy primitive cultures had perfect teeth and bone structure right up to and beyong the age of 70 y o. No cavities in the teeth and no bone thinning or bone wasting at old age.
The dosages for these vitamins should be in the proper orthomolecular dosages(not RDA -- way too low) :
Vitamin K2: 1000 mcg per day. You can also get adequate amounts of K2 buy just eating grass fed butter everyday and not margarine.
Vitamin D3: 5,000 iu per day. If you live in a sunny tropical climate -- you wont need to take Vitamin D because your skin plus sun is abe to manufacture up to 20, 000 iu of vitamin D in your skin per day.
Vitamin A: 2,000 iu per day
Perhaps an easier way to take the Vitamin D and Vitamin A together is just to supplement good quality fish oil -- which contains both vitamins in the correct proprotions.
Hi Diane...Take either the tea or the capsule form of Chanca piedra for best effect. Make absolutely sure there has been no high heat, additives or chemicals applied to the herb. Make sure to buy organic or wild-crafted CP for the best outcome. The CP will gently remove the stone -- but sometimes its quite quick. There was a gent who emailed me four years ago who had a seriously large kidney stone problem. He said in his email that he had just taken the first dose of CP that day and was wondering whether the dose was OK. Next day a joyous email arrived where the man stated that the large Kidney stone (he called it a 'boulder') was successfuly expelled without any problems the next morning.
The Chinese understand well the the importance of the synergistic behaviour of herbs in TCM -- the main beneficial action of most herbs is because of the unique combination of hundreds of natural chemicals in the plant. Allopathic research tends to do the exactly opposite -- just find a singular plant chemical nutrient that has some beneficial action against a certain disease, isolate that one chemical, and then invent a patented chemical equivalent that hasn't got a chance of being recognized by the human body thus causing a hundred side effects. That's also why the drugs companies and doctors won't or can't use herbs -- because allopathic research always demands "standardization of ingredients". That means only one or two ingredients in the herb are [chemically] emphasized and, along the way, you completely destroy the natural, combined beneficial synergistic chemical healing effects of all the chemicals that these herbs contain in the first place. Stupidity itself.
I also agree with Ben, gallium nitrate is extremely effective for hypercalcemic problems and is very effective against many pathogen species. Both Gallium Nitrate and Chanca piedra are effective against kidney stones, but the real difference between them is the price.
From George Eby's website a 14% half liter bottle of gallium nitrate solution will cost you $90. And a 42% half liter will cost you $250. This is a fair price for gallium nitrate. But its a Rare Earth metal -- so that means its rare and therefore unavoidably expensive.
A thirty day supply of wild-crafted Chanca piedra will probably cost you about $15. Up to you. If you take the capsules then I would take at least 500 mgs twice a day for best effect.
Hi Sue... I don't think that your low blood pressure is related or caused by just calcium problems. Osteoporosis is partly caused by a combination of high calcium in the diet and low magnesium intake. Magnesium is what helps to regulate calcium in the blood and cells. This lack of magnesium causes high amounts of calcium to be present in the blood while, because of poor blood calcium and bone regulation, there is constant bone loss and deterioration of the body's bone structure. This loss of bone also occurs for reasons of lack of nutrients needed to help properly regulate bone formation in the body.
Bone formation and bone removal are two separate ongoing processes in the body. The calcitonin hormone from the thyroid is involved in bone formation and the parathyroid governs bone removal. If your body lacks iodine then bone formation will be affected and boron or borax is very important to the parathyroid for normal bone removal. Other nutritional factors -- such as Vitamin D, Vitamin A and Vitamin K2 are also essential for bone formation.
It is quite apparent to me that because you have kidney stone problems, this must mean that you have excess calcium in your blood -- so your excess blood calcium needs to be reduced so you can avoid kidney stone problems in the future. The other half of this problem is caused by eating to much vegetable oils in your diet.
The following protocol will help your osteoporosis problems:
Magnesium Chloride (or Magnesium Oil) -- Ten drops twice a day. You can also use mag citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day.
Borax Water -- 1/8 tspn borax in a litre of water. Drink this mixture throughout the day. Take this remedy for 5 consecutive days then take 2 days off.
Kelp tablets - regular dosages to help thyroid support (calcitonin support).
Vitamin K -- 1000 mcgs once a day.
A Good quality fish oil (Vit A & D).
I also think that it would be safe enough for you to take the Chanca Piedra -- 1000 mgs three times a day with meals -- or drink the tea form three times a day. This will help to gently dissolve and remove the stones in your kidney.
To help with your low blood pressure -- magnesium chloride and sea salt supplementation will help you here. Chlorides (not sodium) are well known to help safely raise blood pressure to normal levels. Dosage for sea salt is 1/2 tspn with water outside mealtimes once a day.
Supplementing both magnesium and iodine from the kelp will also help to resolve your tachycardia heart problems. I also had racing heart problems when I had candida and the iodine plus magnesium resolved this problem quite quickly.
Alot of your problems seem to be linked to lack of magnesium and lack of iodine in your diet.
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Fascinating report out of Malaysia but once again, an essential bit is missing!!??
I must be becoming an irritable, old grouch but would people PLEASE, PLEASE let us know what many, many, posters are oh so eager to hear- namely, "How long was the interval between commencing the treatment and actual relief occurring?". Hours, days, weeks, years??
This sort of info. gives hope and encouragement to those contemplating similar treatment on either themselves, family or their friends faced with a similar predicament.
There, not too hard was it?
Cheers from Down Under
P.S. I DID gave this posting a thumbs up - it WAS good. (I'm currently enrolled in a support group for old grouches & learning to be positive and kind to the afflicted).
You might want to look into vitamin K2. There's a book called Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox. The way I remember it, K2 moves calcium to the places it needs to go and away from the places it shouldn't be.
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my name is joseph a Ghanaian, I must admit you guys are doing amazing job, . please , I got tested for the HBV and appeared positive and chronic. please the medicines you are recommending I have not heard of them before don't know where I will get them in ghana. please I need your help. thanks.
In reply to Diane (Pompton Lakes, Nj Usa),
I've only used the 500mg capsules taken two at breakfast, 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner for a total of 3 grams per day. This generally works for me within two weeks or less. My friends that have tried it have had pretty much the same experience as me.
Bill Thompson has stated previously that the tea works well also, but I don't remember how much tea he recommended per day. Chanca Piedra can sometimes have a rather strong taste so I avoid the tea in order to avoid the taste.
This is what I and my friends have used to good effect:
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5 years ago, I had a kidney stone.
During the night, I felt very painful area around the liver area, and I thought I was having appendicitis. Went to the emergency ward, and they said it was something else. After doing MRI, it was a kidney stone stuck in the urinary tract between the kidney and bladder. But to proceed with the procedure they said I need to wait another 3 months, because of many others are waiting in line. I could only afford the government funded hospitals.
Tried to research the internet, and I found something about Chanca Piedra. Fortunately, this herbs grows wildly in my garden. I took a bunch of it and simmer it in water and drank it half a cup daily.
To my astonishment, the pain diminished. Previously I couldn't eat too much since if I eat too much it presses on the affected area and it became painful. I couldn't sleep well at night because of back pain and just tossing around the bed became painful. There is something in Chance Piedra that acts as analgesics. After drinking it, I can sleep better since the pain reduces to tolerable threshold.
One day, I have the urge to urinate, and it felt a bit difficult since I need to push harder in order for the urine to flow out. Suddenly, I hear a loud sound from the toilet bowl like a big pebble clashing down the toilet. It was the kidney stone, coming out without any notice. After that I felt a great relief, I can eat more food, since the pain was already gone.
Another thing that I notice is, my blood pressure reduced to a normal level. I've been taking blood pressure medication without any success, it only capable of reducing my reading in a small numbers. I'm not sure what Chanca Piedra has done to my blood pressure, but the normal value persists for a month. But it came back to abnormal level, perhaps because I was not taking Chance Piedra anymore.
Gonna try again if it could fix my blood pressure since changing several bp medications couldn't fix my bp level.
Chanca Piedra lowers blood sugar and my guess it that it creates a more alkaline PH so the mineral balance of the body remains intact. I had a rash of ringworm on my neck which didn't budge for weeks with the topical... Well I started drinking chanca piedra tea for my painful kidneys and guess what? The ringworm died! Rash totally cleared up!!
Once again, something to do with the blood sugar levels? Also, my TMJ doesn't bother me when I drink it. My blood pressure dropped to very low 96/69 or something like that.... SUPER low. Obviously...this makes one very drowsy so I don't drink it as often as I should.
A friend told me that she tried chanca piedra for a foot bone spur and, within 2 months, the bone spur completely dissolved. Is this herb the answer to quickly dissolving a foot bone spur I have, which is painless but unsightly and makes it very difficult to wear a left shoe properly because of this bone spur?
I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this subject. Thank you.
You should make sure you are getting Vitamin K2 MK-4 also which is the Wesson Price active X ingredient. In Japan and Netherland they use a high dose K2 MK-4 (15g 3Xday) for curing osteoporosis. They add MCT oil to capsule so it can absorb the fat soluble K2. I take high dose K2 MK-4 along with some MK-7. You want to take fat soluble Vitamin A and D3. I take these with a tiny bit of coconut oil so the K2 will absorb.
Also be aware that the best calcium is MCHA calcium. It is the exact form the body uses. Calcium Citrate is second best.
Also be aware that a bioavailable Silica like JarrowSil or BioSil is what makes bones resilient and fracture proof. This is critical because increasing bone mass alone doesn't give you quality bones. This also provides critical ingredient to collagen and collagen production. It will help you look younger too.
Borax which is highly absorb-able form of boron is also important because it addresses the parathyroid gland issues which stores the most boron. If your parathyroid gland is broken, it will cause calcium metabolic dysfunction like stenosis / bone spurs. It also cures 70% of RA.
Look at Ultra Bone Up supplement ingredient label to see other cofactor support.
I am trying to rid my body of calcium deposits.
Chanca Piedra is a MIRACLE! I recently had my fourth kidney stone (I'm 53, vegetarian, very healthy). I toughed it out but after HOURS of agonizing pain and realizing I had two at once, which might mean hours more pain I finally went to the emergency room at 3 a.m. They gave me some strong painkiller (tylenol w/codeine previously was worthless). They do an MRI and find three more stones in my left kidney, just sitting there waiting to torture me. I go home, scour the web, scour my herb books. I discover Chanca Piedra here at Earth Clinic. Local herb shop has it (Herb Pharm product called Stone Breaker, it also contains hydrangea root, celery seed and Burdock seed). Herbalist recommends I also take marshmallow for good mucous membrane health. I take them for two weeks.
I feel three stones pass PAINLESSLY. I find last two of them in toilet, they look ENORMOUS. I bow down to the Chanca Piedra. Get some and keep it on hand- it is also an analgesic, you can take it during an attack.
I found out that a lot of studies have been done on this herb. They all agree- Chanca Piedra is the rill dilly-o even from a western perspective. Also clears gallstones and heals your liver. Just an AMAZING herb! It should be much better known.
Hi Janie...There can be several causes for osteoporosis. You should continue taking the supplements you are taking, including the chanca piedra, but I would add the following supplements as well:
* Take 5% lugol's iodine -- 6 drops a day in a glass of water(work up to this dose slowly). Or you can take 50mgs to 120mgs of potassium iodide per day if you prefer. The iodine/iodide will ensure proper production of the calcitonin thyroid hormone which is the regulating hormone for the bone-forming iconoblasts cells in your bones. So increasing your iodine intake should also help to properly regulate and increase bone formation in your hips and bones.
* For the osteoporosis, I would also take Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy(See Ted's alkalizing remedies on EC). I would also change Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy in the following way. Just add the zest of the lemon(about 1/5 of lemon's surface area) to the alkalizing remedy. Then drink it and make sure you also chew and swallow the lemon zest as well. Take it once a day. Following this simple protocol once a day helps to protect the body's bone density. Lemon peel also contain high concentrations of hesperidin(as well as quercitin, limonene, gallic acid etc), which is a bioflavinoid that helps prevent bone loss in the human body. See this research article:
* To help remove the dangerous LDL LipoA build-up on your heart valve, Linus Pauling's Vitamin C + Lysine protocol is probably the best and cheapest remedy for you. For serious problems ie arteriosclerosis in the heart, I would take 1/4 tspn Ascorbic acid(1000mgs) powder and 1/4 tspn lysine powder(1000mgs) in a half glass of water, at hourly intervals, at least 4 times a day. If you can do it, taking the vitamin C + lysine in a half glass of water 6 or 8 times a day would be much better. The short explanation for this remedy is that the vitamin C actively removes the dangerous build-up of LipoA on the arterial walls whereas the lysine actively deactivates the dangerous LDL(LipoA) in the blood so that it cannot be used to cause artery build-up. Here is an explanation of Linus Pauling's research with some testimonials:
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Chanca piedra grows naturally in Ghana, is a common weed and known locally as stone breaker or "at the back" in English & in Twi it's called Awo ba agu nakyi. You can check with Bill of Philippines posting as he has detailed pictures of Chanca piedra
Look what I found about Tulsi leaves (Holy Basil):
"Dissolves kidney stones: The holy basil being a great diuretic and detoxifier is great for the kidneys. Tulsi helps reduce the uric acid levels in the blood (one of the main reasons for kidney stones is the presence of excess uric acid in the blood), helps cleanse the kidneys, the presence of acetic acid and other components in its essential oils helps in breaking down kidney stones and its painkiller effect helps dull down the pain of kidney stones. To relieve kidney stones one must have the juice of tulsi leaves with honey, every day for six months to help wash out the stone from the kidney.
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Hi Jacqui...You needn't worry about overdosing on Chanca Piedra. On the Raintree Database website it states that there is no known dangerous over-dose limit for chanca piedra. I take it all the time. Today I took the cooled concentrated decoction form. It's very bitter for sure. But I felt better for it. I take it because it puts the brake on excessive calcium and sugar in the blood. It also lowers blood pressure, gets rid of stones, supports the kidneys and liver, lowers cholesterol, antiviral and does a bunch of other things for your body that's all good. Just think of Chanca piedra as a good friend. And the way you are taking it is fine, so please don't worry.
I have to thank you so much for your help. A site like this can give so much relief, knowing that there are others in the same circumstance and knowledgeable people like you who encourage a natural approach. I will look into both suggestions.
I have to say Bill, you made a very good point about high heat - I had been taking CP liquid tincture in a very hot (to hot to drink right away) cup of water for 3 weeks with a "weak" effect at best - that may have been my mistake.
Bill, if I use the CP capsules, is it safe to use them at this 1000 mg/day dosage for several months? All I've ever gotten is sand. How do I know when to stop? These have been "silent obstructions", so until the x-ray, I don't know if I'm clear.
Thank you again -
Boy, would I love to show the doctors a clean x-ray!
I started having very painful kidney stones about 10 years ago. I'd have at least one a year and then nothing for awhile, then more stones. I have always been able to pass them, but not without several days of excruciating pain.
After having the last one 3 years ago, I searched the internet for a cure and chanca piedra popped up. I purchased a tincture of chanca and after taking for several days, I passed a large stone without having pain.
Several days later I passed a number of very small ones. I have been using this tincture daily for the last 3 years without having any more kidney stones.
P.S. I do take magnesium and potassium along with other vitamins because of the diuretic effect of Chanca piedra.
A family friend recommended Chanca Piedra to my brother as a natural way of removing kidney stones about four years ago. He took it in capsule form as it is more convenient than brewing the plant. Very effective indeed!
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Hi Nina...If you have low calcium issues then you should not be taking chanca piedra because it is a calcium channel blocker.
I would also further advise that calcium carbonate supplements are probably totally useless for absorption of calcium into the body. Two reasons for this. First, the body absorbs all minerals, including calcium, in their ionic(dissolved) forms. Secondly, calcium carbonate dissolves very poorly in water -- it has an absorption of only 0.001 gms per 100 ml, which is very poor indeed. The better forms of calcium to supplement -- the more soluble forms -- are calcium citrate and the chelated forms of calcium which provide much higher absorption of calcium into the body. I would also start including natural calcium sources like dairy into your diet.
Since you also have hypothyroidism -- this can also cause low calcium issues. Calcitonin, a hormone secreted from the thyroid, controls the osteoblasts for bone formation. This hormone removes calcium from the blood and puts it into bone. So I would advise the Iodine Protocol to help properly control bone formation and to improve your hypothyroid problems as well. The thyroid is completely dependent on proper amounts of iodine in the dietfro hormone production. All processed food diets lack iodine.
I would also start taking Boron supplements or Borax. Boron is necessary for the parathyroid to help regulate the removal of bone calcium into the blood. You have low blood calcium, so this makes sense. The bone forming and bone removal process is perpetually ongoing in your body to renew old bone. If mis-regulation occurs in this process then its possible to have serious calcium issues. That's why its also important to take Magnesium(as mag citrate or mag chloride -- 250 mgs twice a day) to help properly regulate the amount of calcium in the blood and in the cells.
Hi Diane...I would just keep taking the Chanca piedra on a daiy basis until the 'sand' stops coming out. Also, CP has no known toxicity when used in large amounts over a lengthy period of time. So you're pretty safe with CP.
Hi Diane...Chanca piedra is well know to dissolve cysts as well as stones that contain high amounts of calcium and that's because of CP's wonderful and gentle ability to liquify calcium. Since you have such a severe problem I also think that you should at least double the dose of the Chanca piedra that you are currently using since CP is very friendly and has no known overdose limit or side-effects. This should help to work more quickly in dissolving your serious stone problems which are such a priority with you.
If all else fails, you could perhaps try using a 1% solution -- drink one litre per day -- of gallium nitrate which is used currently by modern medicine to reduce calcium in the blood for cancer patients. But this will be much more expensive for you than using Chanca piedra. You can read all of Dr George Eby's research concerning gallium nitrate here. Eby also firmly believes that gallium nitrate is very effective at killing any calcium-loving nanobacteria that are also sometimes involved with kidney problems and kidney stones.
My own opinion is that what you are taking now -- Chanca piedra and magnesium -- should be enough to resolve your stone problems. Just give it a little time. And I also would agree with you about the tea form of CP. I think its more effective than the capsule form.
I had my first stone about 5 years ago. The ER doctor told me to take potassium citrate 3x day to keep urine alkaline. Then I was told about Chandra piedra. It's a Godsend to me. When I first feel that ache in the kidney before it get to pain, I take 2capsules 3 times a day. If severe I do it 5 times a day. It takes about 30 minutes to work. They are alway with me. As I get older I don't tolerate oxalates well which can cause stones. If I want a handful of nuts, or a spoon of peanut butter I'll take 1 capsule of Chanda piedra. It wards off the ache or pain.
I now use Whole World Botanical. Their capsules work up to thirty minutes. Usually twenty. They are pharmaceutical grade, been tested and without any fillers. They are wonderful to work with. They also carry the liquid. I use that in emergencies. Takes ten minutes or less.
find the number of oxalates in the foods you like. You'll save yourself in pain knowing them. I still eat things with oxalates in them but not as many and I took a capsule or capsules to counteract. I first discovered them drinking Bai drink with stevia. Had the backache then pain and discovered stevia has 92% oxalates.
If the chanca piedra does not work out for you, I can offer another suggestion with at least one study to support its effective use for gout.
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Obstinate attitude for sure!
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Greetings Lonette of Florida,
I am sure a few of us has had this experience and me too. I would just stop and give the herb or supplement a vacation, sometimes a long vacation depending on what reaction I had. Then, I would start back at a lower dosage.
Also, I would make myself a baking soda and lemon water drink: 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to about two teaspoons of lemon juice in about a half cup of water. Then I would chase that down with a glass of water. Throughout the day I would drink several glasses of water. But actually, after the baking soda and lemon juice water, my kidneys would feel very happy.
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Two More Things Lonnette,
I do remember having some stubborn pain in the kidneys a time or two. I used Castor oil, or the Castor oil and DMSO mix to rub on the area. Both worked well. I also continued the baking soda and lemon juice and water drink in the morning before breakfast, plus several glasses of water throughout the day.
Here's a third remedy,
I keep remembering as I remember. Once I had a time shaking the kidney pain, I used the Baking Soda and Molasses cure for that one. I drank it once each morning until the kidney pain left.
Have a wonder filled day!
RE Chanca Piedra and DHEA,
Just checking in with my DHEA experience and further info on my Chanca piedra experience also. I have been taking 25mgs DHEA. I would simply love it if some of the older women would chime in with what they experienced with DHEA.
As I mentioned last year in April of 2019 my menstruation returned and lasted all of one day. I initially cut down to taking DHEA 2 to 3 days a week, but I found I felt better when taking it at least 5 days a week. I also take Pregnenlone 50mgs on the days when I do not take DHEA, however I have taken both in one day. I just wanted to share that one day monthly may have been the beginning of something unconnected to the DHEA, a Polyp. I thought I was getting a re-visitation because of a poster, an elder lady said that's what happened to her while on DHEA. I did not believe her, but began to wonder that day when I noted my monthly seemed to have returned in April 2019. Anyway, I did go through some trauma and drama at the end of 2019. For 3 months I once again had what I thought was the return of my monthly. I finally went to the doctor because the bleeding was excessive. The verdict was it was a Polyp, The doctor said, it had already began to break apart on its own, she wanted to make an appointment to have it removed or simply watch it. I decided to let the Lord finish the work. I believe it was the Lord that gave me a mind to give the Chanca Piedra a second try before I had even gone to the doctor.
When I took the Chanca Piedra in April last year I got a reaction from it, "the ithes". I did Not have my eye glass on when I read directs before, so the two capsules I was taking equaled 1800mg a day, so what I did this time was only take One capsule instead 900mg a day. This time there was No itching as before. When I looked at the date that I started to take the Chanca Piedra, I wondered if that polyp was already there in April and it started breaking down the Polyp then and that's what caused the bleeding, but I stopped taking it, but it had not fully flushed out yet.
Interesting enough I would fall in and out of love with lemons a lot between those months which probably also help to break it up, and then I topped it off by trying the Chanca Piedra again. Whatever happened, they say the Lord works in mysterious ways bringing about miracles.
Hi Baldev...I can confirm that your plant photo is definitely not Chanca piedra. The plant in your photo looks like it might be a member of the nightshade family.
Here is a link to some photos of Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) on the stuartxchange website:
In the Philippines, the herb is called sampa-sampalukan. Also note that the seeds form along the underside of the center leaf petioles and are most abundant at the top of the plant. This is unique to chanca piedra -- no other plant form their seeds under the petiole like this. This is how you can identify this plant so easily. CP only grows to a maximum height of about 50 to 60 cms.
Here is some more research on this herb from The Rain-Tree Tropical Plant Database which might also interest you:
D-Limonene will scrape build-ups out of the body. Sweet orange oil is something like 95% D-Limonene. Research it :).
Josephine, I have not used chanca piedra for hbv but would recommend covering and steeping your tea for minimum 20 minutes before you drink. Steeping longer brings out the bitter properties which can only be beneficial for the liver. Best to you.
Hi Lacusman in Ghana,
Chanca Piedra Tea (Sometimes known as "Stone-Breaker" Tea)
Preparation: Add 4 level teaspoons of Chanca Piedra to 5 cups of boiling water. Reduce the heat and allow it to simmer for between 15 to 20 minutes. When cool, you strain the tea and discard the leaves. This will make 4 cups of tea. Serve hot or cold. Store in a refrigerator in a glass container (with a lid on) for up to a week. This may save you some prep. time.
Chanca Piedra Tea is claimed to support the health of the kidneys, liver, gall bladder, bladder and pancreas. It is also said to promote healthy fat digestion.
For Urgent and Immediate use take one cup of tea 3 - 4 times per day for liver-gall bladder support and 6 - 8 times per day for kidney-bladder support on an EMPTY stomach (important) for up to one month or as directed by your health care professional.
For a Maintenance Dosage you take one cup of tea once or twice daily on an empty stomach for 5 or 6 days per week.
Wishing you well on your recovery journey
Cheers from Down Under
Chanca Piedra is a stone breaker. It can help. In addition you need to take foods rich in vitamin K. Vitamin K makes sure that your body's calcium is evenly distributed. It prevents deposit of calcium in one particular area.
First you can opt for food rich in Vitamin K. Natto, (japanese fermented soy) is the ideal food to supply Vitamin K. It is rich in vitamin K than any other food. But the taste of Natto is quite different. you have to acquire it. You can have a cup of natto with bread or rice daily.
Also do at least 20 mins of full body exercise daily.
Hi Sanjay... Chanca piedra is well known in India. It is known and used widely in Ayurvedic medicines and is called bhumyamalaki. There are also many Indian herbal formulations such as Chayawanprash that contain Chanca piedra and these are fairly cheap. So you might be able to actually buy the Chanca piedra or bhumyamalaki from an Ayurvedic herbal vendor where you live.
You might also be able to buy the Chanca piedra at the malls where you live. But this, I think might be expensive.
What you really need to get rid of kidney stones is to take the tea form of Chanca piedra. You can buy one pound bags organic Chanca piedra powder at this internet site reasonably cheaply:
Failing this, Chanca piedra grows all over the lowlands of India, so you might be able to find it locally and even grow your own CP and make the tea or decoction for no cost. The plant grows about one meter high and looks like this: http://www.stuartxchange.org/SampaSampalukan.html
After having had my knee drained several times - calcium in the meniscus. Pseudo gout, I started taking a chanca piedra tablet 5 days a week. I have not had a flare up since even though I did bruise my meniscus on a recent bikepacking trip - I did not have a flare up where I certainly would have been off to get it drained in the past
Kidney Stones, High Blood Pressure
Yes, this would be helpful if it included the weight of the person, their history, their fitness level and age, the family they grew up in and how the dynamics worked, the town they lived in, the water supply and air quality, and then the person's medical history. example would be downwind of a power plant. Thyroid issues ect. What type of education did they get, Who programmed their thoughts? What religion did they ingest? Is healing free or do they have to get it by works or has it been done away with and sickness is for training purposes? What is their regular diet like and how much do they exercise daily /weekly and what type of spouse/co workers do they have? How many kids are they trying to manage and raise into upscale citizens? Believe me, one challenging kid can cause all your health problems. I watch supernanny and AML on drug addicts.
As far as grouches go, I could say I have topped the list over the years with a constant stomach ache, pain in the spine, pelvic pain and dental pain and emotional trauma and split personality with migraines. So please spell out the above so we can help you to the best of our knowledge. I have overcome the above. Sometimes the problem is the thing keeping us from the real hurt, as a lovely distraction.The more the pain, the better the distraction. If your back hurts get some pliers and squeeze your finger and your back will be hardly noticeable. : ) . Not trying to step on your toes but everyone is trying to post insights, not cures. We are all putting out fires. It still far exceeds the doctor who is treating symptoms so you will keep coming back to pay his light bill. By the way. Love your post, charity
P.s. I figured out how placebos work.....as you believe you receive
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
Hi again Jill D. I decided to go ahead and look up sided effects of Chanca Piedra. I found out there are two types of Chanca Piedra: Phyllanthus niruri and Phyllanthus amarus.
The first mention Phyilanthus niruri is said to be safe non toxic with few side effects. The second mentioned Phyilanthus and in High doses could be toxic and may be harmful to kidneys.. I tried it out Chanca Piedra about February 2019, the company I ordered from does not say what type of Chanca Piedra it is, it just says organic and says to take 1000mg once a day. Which proved too strong for me.
Where to Buy: USA
Just signed up for the site after reading some great information. My question is what brand name of chanca piedra is best? I have been reading about so many benefits. People are talking about dosage all day long, but no brand names. And when there is anything, the links are so old they are non-existent. The only one I found was Swanson. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! If we can't list brand names, then please state as suchðŸ˜„
Sheilaann, chanca piedra is a herb, search for the organic dried herb, this is best. Mine I bought as a tea but the only ingredient is chanca piedra in loose, dried form. 5 cups a day to break stones. Best to you