Kidney Stones
★★★★★
A family friend recommended Chanca Piedra to my brother as a natural way of removing kidney stones about four years ago. He took it in capsule form as it is more convenient than brewing the plant. Very effective indeed!
Kidney Stones
★★★★★
BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS
Hi, I find chandra piedra works very well for my phosphorus stone problem, but it interferes with my sleep so I have to take a very low dose for short spurts, then after being off try again. It has calmed my renal system totally doing that. Does anyone know if chandra piedra helps get your parathyroids to start producing hormone again?
I have both hyperthyroid and hyperparathyroid issues and then at times I fluctuate to hypo. I also have Hashimotos. With this autoimmunity going on it appears that it and much more get past the brain barrier for me and cause the insonmia. Have tried everything and am working on healing my leaky gut, but I am a thin, fit, woman already with alkaline urine ph, and I don't have the associated gut symptoms. I suspect chemical and or heavy metal toxicity. I take lots of magnesium chloride and don't think it effects my sleep.
Any advice?
(Toronto, Canada)
04/01/2015
Well, it is a uterine relaxant and I read that the Amazonian use high dosages of it to induce abortion. Maybe you could try Apple Cider Vinegar or magnesium for the kidney stones? Because the stones are made of calcium, supporting with magnesium, which is antagonistic to it, might be a good idea.
(Toronto, Canada)
04/03/2015
Look what I found about Tulsi leaves (Holy Basil):
"Dissolves kidney stones: The holy basil being a great diuretic and detoxifier is great for the kidneys. Tulsi helps reduce the uric acid levels in the blood (one of the main reasons for kidney stones is the presence of excess uric acid in the blood), helps cleanse the kidneys, the presence of acetic acid and other components in its essential oils helps in breaking down kidney stones and its painkiller effect helps dull down the pain of kidney stones. To relieve kidney stones one must have the juice of tulsi leaves with honey, every day for six months to help wash out the stone from the kidney.
Kidney Stones
Hello. I'd come across knowing about 'Chanca Piedra', a natural remedy for Kidney stones. I'm one among those millions suffer from kidney stones. Recently I had expelled one thro' urine and got to know it was Calcium Oxalate.
Could you help me provide a consultation about "Chanca Piedra" to know if it would be a real permanent remedy for kidney stones. Can I know how can I get it (pills) in Bangalore, India.
Thanks in advance. Sanjay
(San Fernando, Philippines)
12/10/2012
★★★★★
Hi Sanjay... Chanca piedra is well known in India. It is known and used widely in Ayurvedic medicines and is called bhumyamalaki. There are also many Indian herbal formulations such as Chayawanprash that contain Chanca piedra and these are fairly cheap. So you might be able to actually buy the Chanca piedra or bhumyamalaki from an Ayurvedic herbal vendor where you live.
You might also be able to buy the Chanca piedra at the malls where you live. But this, I think might be expensive.
What you really need to get rid of kidney stones is to take the tea form of Chanca piedra. You can buy one pound bags organic Chanca piedra powder at this internet site reasonably cheaply:
http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca-piedra-powder.htm
Failing this, Chanca piedra grows all over the lowlands of India, so you might be able to find it locally and even grow your own CP and make the tea or decoction for no cost. The plant grows about one meter high and looks like this: http://www.stuartxchange.org/SampaSampalukan.html
(New Jersey)
04/30/2016
Hi Bill,
I have just been diagnosed with a 2.5mm kidney stone which was too dense to respond to laser lithotripsy. I believe my doctor wants to go the kidney surgery route next which would be a nightmare for me! I may be able to put it off for a few months, but I am on borrowed time. I read in your previous posts that "tea" is your preferred method - is this just putting a powder in hot water or letting the leaves soak for a few minutes, then straining? I have also bought the "liquid herbal extract" - is this the water extract you referred to? I need something that works quickly and effectively (you should have seen the look on the doctor's face when I referenced CP). I appreciate any tips you can give me - I am new at this thing. Thanks.
(New Jersey)
04/30/2016
(San Fernando, Philippines)
05/01/2016
Hi Diane...Take either the tea or the capsule form of Chanca piedra for best effect. Make absolutely sure there has been no high heat, additives or chemicals applied to the herb. Make sure to buy organic or wild-crafted CP for the best outcome. The CP will gently remove the stone -- but sometimes its quite quick. There was a gent who emailed me four years ago who had a seriously large kidney stone problem. He said in his email that he had just taken the first dose of CP that day and was wondering whether the dose was OK. Next day a joyous email arrived where the man stated that the large Kidney stone (he called it a 'boulder') was successfuly expelled without any problems the next morning.
The Chinese understand well the the importance of the synergistic behaviour of herbs in TCM -- the main beneficial action of most herbs is because of the unique combination of hundreds of natural chemicals in the plant. Allopathic research tends to do the exactly opposite -- just find a singular plant chemical nutrient that has some beneficial action against a certain disease, isolate that one chemical, and then invent a patented chemical equivalent that hasn't got a chance of being recognized by the human body thus causing a hundred side effects. That's also why the drugs companies and doctors won't or can't use herbs -- because allopathic research always demands "standardization of ingredients". That means only one or two ingredients in the herb are [chemically] emphasized and, along the way, you completely destroy the natural, combined beneficial synergistic chemical healing effects of all the chemicals that these herbs contain in the first place. Stupidity itself.
I also agree with Ben, gallium nitrate is extremely effective for hypercalcemic problems and is very effective against many pathogen species. Both Gallium Nitrate and Chanca piedra are effective against kidney stones, but the real difference between them is the price.
From George Eby's website a 14% half liter bottle of gallium nitrate solution will cost you $90. And a 42% half liter will cost you $250. This is a fair price for gallium nitrate. But its a Rare Earth metal -- so that means its rare and therefore unavoidably expensive.
A thirty day supply of wild-crafted Chanca piedra will probably cost you about $15. Up to you. If you take the capsules then I would take at least 500 mgs twice a day for best effect.
(New Jersey)
05/01/2016
Bill,
I have to thank you so much for your help. A site like this can give so much relief, knowing that there are others in the same circumstance and knowledgeable people like you who encourage a natural approach. I will look into both suggestions.
I have to say Bill, you made a very good point about high heat - I had been taking CP liquid tincture in a very hot (to hot to drink right away) cup of water for 3 weeks with a "weak" effect at best - that may have been my mistake.
Bill, if I use the CP capsules, is it safe to use them at this 1000 mg/day dosage for several months? All I've ever gotten is sand. How do I know when to stop? These have been "silent obstructions", so until the x-ray, I don't know if I'm clear.
Thank you again -
Boy, would I love to show the doctors a clean x-ray!
(San Fernando, Philippines)
05/03/2016
Hi Diane...I would just keep taking the Chanca piedra on a daiy basis until the 'sand' stops coming out. Also, CP has no known toxicity when used in large amounts over a lengthy period of time. So you're pretty safe with CP.
(New Jersey)
06/09/2016
Hi Bill...It turns out that the kidney stones I have (incl. the 2.5 cm.) are uric acid/calcium. I am continuing on the CP capsules and have added 240 mg/day magnesium (as amino acid chelate) as well as doctor's prescription of potassium citrate (15 meq). The Dr.says I will never dissolve these stones and wants to operate through my back and retrieve them. Will the chanca piedra still work on these types of stones? I will continue the CP regimen for as long as I have to if it means avoiding this surgery. I am also going to start the tea form if it is more potent. Thank you so much.
(San Fernando, Philippines)
06/09/2016
Hi Diane...Chanca piedra is well know to dissolve cysts as well as stones that contain high amounts of calcium and that's because of CP's wonderful and gentle ability to liquify calcium. Since you have such a severe problem I also think that you should at least double the dose of the Chanca piedra that you are currently using since CP is very friendly and has no known overdose limit or side-effects. This should help to work more quickly in dissolving your serious stone problems which are such a priority with you.
If all else fails, you could perhaps try using a 1% solution -- drink one litre per day -- of gallium nitrate which is used currently by modern medicine to reduce calcium in the blood for cancer patients. But this will be much more expensive for you than using Chanca piedra. You can read all of Dr George Eby's research concerning gallium nitrate here. Eby also firmly believes that gallium nitrate is very effective at killing any calcium-loving nanobacteria that are also sometimes involved with kidney problems and kidney stones.
My own opinion is that what you are taking now -- Chanca piedra and magnesium -- should be enough to resolve your stone problems. Just give it a little time. And I also would agree with you about the tea form of CP. I think its more effective than the capsule form.
(New Jersey)
06/14/2016
Bill, thank you so much for your prompt response -
2 more questions:
Are there any dietary restrictions/limitations during this regimen (dairy, calcium, oxalates, purines)?
Can the tea form of chanca piedra also be taken daily for a longer duration(months)?
Your input is much appreciated - thank you.
(Pompton Lakes, Nj Usa)
04/27/2017
Hi,
I just wanted to touch base with you-
I've been on 3 cups/day of chanca piedra tea + magnesium and potassium citrate daily for about a year now. There a no changes in 2.5cm. stone size according to ultrasound, although I don't know if density has changed. I will stick with it if this needs more time, or will increase dosage of tea if necessary. I am not in any pain at all, and don't mind continuing with this regimen, but would like to dissolve this boulder once and for all. I am hesitant to go the gallium nitrate route as I prefer a gentler way of dissolving such a large kidney stone. Can chanca piedra take this long to work? Thanks so much for your input.
In reply to Diane (Pompton Lakes, Nj Usa),
I've only used the 500mg capsules taken two at breakfast, 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner for a total of 3 grams per day. This generally works for me within two weeks or less. My friends that have tried it have had pretty much the same experience as me.
Bill Thompson has stated previously that the tea works well also, but I don't remember how much tea he recommended per day. Chanca Piedra can sometimes have a rather strong taste so I avoid the tea in order to avoid the taste.
This is what I and my friends have used to good effect:
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-chanca-piedra-phyllanthus-niruri-500-mg-60-veg-caps
Art
(Victoria, Canada)
07/03/2017
Yes, it will work. Best to add K2 and D drops to your diet to avoid them in the first place.
Kidney Stones
★★★★★
Chanca Piedra is a MIRACLE! I recently had my fourth kidney stone (I'm 53, vegetarian, very healthy). I toughed it out but after HOURS of agonizing pain and realizing I had two at once, which might mean hours more pain I finally went to the emergency room at 3 a.m. They gave me some strong painkiller (tylenol w/codeine previously was worthless). They do an MRI and find three more stones in my left kidney, just sitting there waiting to torture me. I go home, scour the web, scour my herb books. I discover Chanca Piedra here at Earth Clinic. Local herb shop has it (Herb Pharm product called Stone Breaker, it also contains hydrangea root, celery seed and Burdock seed). Herbalist recommends I also take marshmallow for good mucous membrane health. I take them for two weeks.
I feel three stones pass PAINLESSLY. I find last two of them in toilet, they look ENORMOUS. I bow down to the Chanca Piedra. Get some and keep it on hand- it is also an analgesic, you can take it during an attack.
I found out that a lot of studies have been done on this herb. They all agree- Chanca Piedra is the rill dilly-o even from a western perspective. Also clears gallstones and heals your liver. Just an AMAZING herb! It should be much better known.
(North Carolina)
08/08/2017
Hi! I have been taking Chanca Piedra for about a week and today my kidney is absolutely killing me. Is this normal while taking this medicine? I'm taking it for kidney stones.
(Somewhere, Europe)
08/09/2017
Abigail, I would stop taking it until the pain stops. Then you might start again but in a much lower dose.
Kidney Stones, High Blood Pressure
★★★★★
5 years ago, I had a kidney stone.
During the night, I felt very painful area around the liver area, and I thought I was having appendicitis. Went to the emergency ward, and they said it was something else. After doing MRI, it was a kidney stone stuck in the urinary tract between the kidney and bladder. But to proceed with the procedure they said I need to wait another 3 months, because of many others are waiting in line. I could only afford the government funded hospitals.
Tried to research the internet, and I found something about Chanca Piedra. Fortunately, this herbs grows wildly in my garden. I took a bunch of it and simmer it in water and drank it half a cup daily.
To my astonishment, the pain diminished. Previously I couldn't eat too much since if I eat too much it presses on the affected area and it became painful. I couldn't sleep well at night because of back pain and just tossing around the bed became painful. There is something in Chance Piedra that acts as analgesics. After drinking it, I can sleep better since the pain reduces to tolerable threshold.
One day, I have the urge to urinate, and it felt a bit difficult since I need to push harder in order for the urine to flow out. Suddenly, I hear a loud sound from the toilet bowl like a big pebble clashing down the toilet. It was the kidney stone, coming out without any notice. After that I felt a great relief, I can eat more food, since the pain was already gone.
Another thing that I notice is, my blood pressure reduced to a normal level. I've been taking blood pressure medication without any success, it only capable of reducing my reading in a small numbers. I'm not sure what Chanca Piedra has done to my blood pressure, but the normal value persists for a month. But it came back to abnormal level, perhaps because I was not taking Chance Piedra anymore.
Gonna try again if it could fix my blood pressure since changing several bp medications couldn't fix my bp level.
(New Zealand)
08/12/2021
Fascinating report out of Malaysia but once again, an essential bit is missing!!??
I must be becoming an irritable, old grouch but would people PLEASE, PLEASE let us know what many, many, posters are oh so eager to hear- namely, "How long was the interval between commencing the treatment and actual relief occurring?". Hours, days, weeks, years??
This sort of info. gives hope and encouragement to those contemplating similar treatment on either themselves, family or their friends faced with a similar predicament.
There, not too hard was it?
Cheers from Down Under
P.S. I DID gave this posting a thumbs up - it WAS good. (I'm currently enrolled in a support group for old grouches & learning to be positive and kind to the afflicted).
(faithville, Us)
08/13/2021
Yes, this would be helpful if it included the weight of the person, their history, their fitness level and age, the family they grew up in and how the dynamics worked, the town they lived in, the water supply and air quality, and then the person's medical history. example would be downwind of a power plant. Thyroid issues ect. What type of education did they get, Who programmed their thoughts? What religion did they ingest? Is healing free or do they have to get it by works or has it been done away with and sickness is for training purposes? What is their regular diet like and how much do they exercise daily /weekly and what type of spouse/co workers do they have? How many kids are they trying to manage and raise into upscale citizens? Believe me, one challenging kid can cause all your health problems. I watch supernanny and AML on drug addicts.
As far as grouches go, I could say I have topped the list over the years with a constant stomach ache, pain in the spine, pelvic pain and dental pain and emotional trauma and split personality with migraines. So please spell out the above so we can help you to the best of our knowledge. I have overcome the above. Sometimes the problem is the thing keeping us from the real hurt, as a lovely distraction.The more the pain, the better the distraction. If your back hurts get some pliers and squeeze your finger and your back will be hardly noticeable. : ) . Not trying to step on your toes but everyone is trying to post insights, not cures. We are all putting out fires. It still far exceeds the doctor who is treating symptoms so you will keep coming back to pay his light bill. By the way. Love your post, charity
P.s. I figured out how placebos work.....as you believe you receive
(TN)
08/13/2021
Obstinate attitude for sure!
Liver Issues
Because of having very elevated LFTs for almost a year (cholestatic liver with PBC), I have done 2 Liver and gall bladder flushes, and parasite cleanses. The levels have gone down 200 points, but they still are at least 150 points too high. I'm thinking of starting chanca piedra and still continue to have Liver and gall bladder flush. I also take TUDCA and a bile salt. Thank you for your help as it's so hard to take care of yourself and see your body deteriorate. Is it a good idea to take the chanca piedra and flushes?
Hi Joyce,
The following 2021 human study suggests that CP may not lower elevated liver enzymes or improve other liver function parameters at 1 gram per day :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8764976/
Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' Serum levels of liver and renal function parameters failed to demonstrate significant improvement with P. niruri. However, there was a statistically significant increase in the level of total antioxidants with P. niruri (P = 0.034) with an additional appetite stimulant activity (P = 0.03) in 4 weeks. '
However this 2021 study in humans with trauma and elevated liver enzymes showed that Silymarin at a fairly low dose of 140 mg three times per day for a total of 420 mg of silymarin per day was effective at significantly lowering some elevated liver enzymes in just 14 days while also improving antioxidant status :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8284169/
Here is a relevant study quote :
' At baseline, there were no significant differences between the silymarin and placebo group in terms of ALT, AST and ALP. AST and ALP levels were not significantly different between the two groups on day 3 (p = 0.43 and p = 0.75, respectively) but they were significantly lower on days 7, 9 and 14 in silymarin treated patients (p = 0.04, p < 0.001 and p < 0.001 for AST and p = 0.041, p = 0.027 and p < 0.001 for ALP, respectively). ALT level was also significantly lower in the silymarin group on days 9 and 14, compared to the placebo group (p < 0.001 for both days), while no significant difference was found on days 3 and 7. '
To be fair regarding CP, it is worth noting that they only used 1 gram per day whereas I use 3 grams or 3, 000 mg/day for kidney stones. Still, they got significant enzyme reduction as well as improved antioxidant status with just 140 mg of Silymarin three times per day for a total of just 420 mg of silymarin per day, in just 14 days!
Here is just one supplement that supplies 140 mg of silymarin per capsule on Amazon :
I am not recommending this just pointing out that there are some suppliers who offer milk thistle capsules containing 140 mg of silymarin as used in the study. There are other supplements that offer beneficial liver effects, but silymarin seems like it is worth having on your consideration list.
Art
(London)
01/20/2024
Dear Art, you kind thorough reply is so encouraging to me. This is the brand of milk thistle I have been taking for 3 months: INNOPURE Organic Milk Thistle Capsules - Premium Quality, High Strength 1 Capsule Provides 3800mg - Soil Association & Vegan Society Certified - 80% Silymarin (60 Capsules) UK Made https://amzn.eu/d/6Ixj05K Previously for the past 3 years I only took 140 mg Because I read your testimony previously on taking 3 gram of chanca piedra ( also read there are no serious side effects) After 2 months of flushes and increased silymarin my ALP and GGT went down 200 points But it's still 200 points higher than normal and MY ALT is now normal. By faith I will start the chandra piedra ( the brand you wrote about) and do the flushes as everything I have read about cholangitis it's intrahepatic stones blocking flow causing sludge. I'm facing my consultant in early March (that's if they are not striking again) or hospitals cancelling appointments due this new "pandemic x" Last she said was if I dont improve they want to take my gall bladder out and do another liver biopsy, which I will not give consent. I cant waste any time. I will be thrilled to submit a glorious stabilisation of healing on earth clinic to encourage others. With deepest appreciation, Joyce
Hi again, Joyce,
I'm glad to hear that silymarin was beneficial for you and now higher dose chanca piedra (CP) seems like a reasonable consideration. Now you know that 1 gram per day will be insufficient for the task at hand. If its action is similar in time to its effects for kidney stones, you could potentially see improvement in the first month.
Other possible considerations are making sure your vitamin d level is well into the upper portion of the reference range which is 30 to 100 ng/ml or 75 to 250 nmol/l.
To put more pressure on reducing ALP and GGT you might consider fish oil / omega 3's at a minimum of 2 grams/day as used in the study and discussed here:
Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' In this study ALP (Alkaline- Phosphatase) and GGT(gamma[1]glutamyltransferase) were reduced in diabetic patients after supplementation with omega-3 fatty acid in comparison to that of their baseline value. Again, after 12 weeks, ALP(Alkaline Phosphatase) and GGT(gamma glutamyltransferase) were decreased in diabetic patients after supplementation with omega-3 fatty acid in comparison to control group. '
Good luck and keep us posted!
Art
(London)
01/23/2024
Thank you Art. I stopped my omega 3 2 grams daily as my INR has been 1.4 for 2 years also my tumeric as both are blood thinners and I was duped into thinking I would get my teeth extraction done. 3 weeks ago I restarted 1 gram and now I will add another gram as soon as my stomach can tolerate as I finished today a very successful liver/gall bladder flush which gives me a lot of nausea. My D3 Is excellent as we do not get alot of sun in London. Because of Earth Clinic I have made a great breakthrough. May I trouble you with my biggest worry as the "awake" health Internet is full of stories about graphine oxide in dental injections. Here is a Romanian American qualified doctor with a PhD in molecular science showing proof. She lives in USA. Https://rumble.com/v3xti7w-electron-microscopy-of-comirnaty-moderna-c19-shots-dental-anestetics-and-pn.html There are no whistle blowers here, and dentists have been full of rage at me for not using fluoride toothpaste (use natural - recommended by EC). IM 69 and the liver disease took so much calcium and minerals out if my bones and teeth which suppliments cannot rectify. No I'm take taking calcium supplements or Fosomax. What are people doing as its been a 4 Yr battle with my liver, pancreas and gall bladder, then to be hit with irrepairable toxins as we can't afford chelation . Optimism and gratitude is my focus with God and EC at my side - I just would not be able to cope. Thank you for your sacrificial time, Joyce
(London)
01/26/2024
Hi Art, you suggested to take 3gram a day of Chanca Piedra. Tonight I took 2 -400 mg capsules on an empty stomach thinking I could aim for 2,400mg for the day 3x daily. Reading closer the description on Whole earth botanical Liver /Gall bladder support said 1 400 mg capsule equals 1 gram of chanca piedra. Should I proceed to take 1 capsule 3x daily for a month? I trust I'll be fine as I finished a very successful livergall bladder flush Tuesday morning. I look for to your reply, also any guidance on my last post saying my fearful concerns about mrna dental injections. If I refuse, no work done and my teeth have deteriorated. If I agree I will be done for with more poisons . Kindest regards, Joyce
Hi Joyce,
Start at their recommended dose. The dose I use is for kidney stones and that may be too much for your purpose. I am not recommending the dose I use for your purpose, just saying it is what has worked for me for kidney stones. I have not used CP for your health issue, so I don't know the effective dose to use.
Art
(London)
01/27/2024
Thank you Art for your speedy reply. I had started with 2 capsules and would have endured the stomach pain it caused to achieve healing . Will reduced to 1, take as directed. Thank you for being a compass to us all as we follow our healing journey with perseverance.
(Austria)
01/27/2024
Multiple Cures
★★★★★
Chanca Piedra lowers blood sugar and my guess it that it creates a more alkaline PH so the mineral balance of the body remains intact. I had a rash of ringworm on my neck which didn't budge for weeks with the topical... Well I started drinking chanca piedra tea for my painful kidneys and guess what? The ringworm died! Rash totally cleared up!!
Once again, something to do with the blood sugar levels? Also, my TMJ doesn't bother me when I drink it. My blood pressure dropped to very low 96/69 or something like that.... SUPER low. Obviously...this makes one very drowsy so I don't drink it as often as I should.
Multiple Cures
★★★★★
My daughter was having an extremely painful gallbladder attack and I gave her the herb Chanca Piedra and it quickly subsided. I always have it on hand as I use it for myself for general detoxing of the gallbladder, liver, and kidneys of sludge and stones. I presumed this was the cause of her pain based on the location.
I continued to give her 1 pill a day for another week (after the first day of 2 pills) and she has had no signs of gallbladder issues like she used to get. Now I give her just 1-2 pills a week for safe measure. She would occasionally also get twinges and sharp pains in the past that were temporary...but those have completely stopped as well. It's an amazing herb that aids in all digestion issues, softens stones and sludge in your gallbladder and kidneys so your body and excrete them, detoxes and cleanses the liver/kidney/gallbladder, and is also anti-parasitic. The first time I took it my urine became cloudy one time, for the first time in my life. I became concerned and looked it up and discovered that it's actually a sign that your kidneys are cleansing/detoxing. It made sense and I was pretty amazed.
It does lower blood sugar slightly so if you're hypoglycemic I don't recommend it. I take 1 pill a day for occasional detoxing...one time I went to 2 pills and started feeling symptoms of low blood sugar so had eat. One pill I'm fine though. Incidentally I do give it to my dad and my son who have high blood sugar issues and it helps them. It's also known as an herb for diabetics.
Multiple Cures
★★★★★
I've been living in the Philippines for over five years now. As an uprooted Englishman, my own adjustment to the tropical climate was necessarily swift. For some years I've had a fascination for and have used herbs, but I was astounded at the proliferation and variety of fresh tropical herbs that I am now able to grow in my garden so easily. These range from simple well known herbs like Thyme and Oregano to more oblique herbs like Chanca Piedra, Heart Vine, Aloe Vera, Tumeric root and Neem. So, over a period of time, I experimented and used many of these herbs very successfully for my own systemic candida and other problems, which are now all gone. I have also used both Heart Vine and Chanca Piedra over the years to successfully help people with diabetes, gout, high blood pressure, arthritis and candida problems.
There was one old Filipino who was quite badly constipated -- in a serious condition -- he hadn't been able to go to the toilet for over a month!! His family had tried all the usual laxatives with no success at all. I figured it must have been a blockage caused by a lack of liver bile, so I gave him the Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine remedy. He had a rather large evacuation after about 3 days of taking this decoction and he is now fine.
But I have had more recent success with my old and favourite Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine decoction remedy. I live behind a large but poor Filipino shanty where I have a friendly relationship with the community. They are lovely, happy people. Recently, an uncle of a Filipino friend said he went to the doctor complaining of abdominal shooting pains and bloating. The doctors diagnosed gallstones and insisted that they would have to operate to remove the gallbladder (gallbladder removal rarely, if ever, cures gallstones in the long run).
But the uncle was far too poor and couldn't afford the operation anyway. So a family member mentioned this problem to me and I taught him how to recognize and find the herbs, which all grow in the area, and I showed him how to make the standard decoction -- which consists of just two herbs -- Heart Vine (Tinospora cordifolia) and Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) with daily dosages. In the Philippines, both these plants are regarded as useless weeds believe it or not. But in Indian Ayurvedic medicine these two herbs are revered for their rejuvenating and tonic properties.
Anyway, two months went by and word was eventually passed to me that the uncle with the gallbladder problem had successfully passed out all his gallstones naturally while taking the decoction and he was healthy once again. I really love it when I get feedback like this. To me it is simply the best sort of confirmation whether a remedy works or not.
EC: Bill's above feedback on Chanca Piedra and Heart Vine was originally published in our recent 02/28/2011 newsletter. Read the newsletter in entirety here.
(Cotonou, Benin)
03/04/2011
Bill, would you have the name of these plants in french? I even searched with the botanical names you gave, but couldn't find them. Are they plants only growing in Phillipines? Do we have the equivalance in France or better, in West Africa? as many people around me suffer from chronic constipation.
Thanks again, and God bless your work.
(San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines)
03/04/2011
Hi Isabelle, Chanca Piedra (Phylanthus niruri) and Heart Vine (Tinospora cordifolia) are easily found using Google Search or Google Images. Here are some pictures and herbal descriptions for each plant which should help you.
Chanca Piedra
This plant is unique because it bears all its small seeds underneath and along the very center of its leaf stem. This plant stands about 30 - 50 cms high
http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2043/2266898721_83569e4a25.jpg?v=0
Heart Vine
This vine herb has a unique pimply stem. Here is a description with some photos of the plant.
http://www.alternative-healthguide.com/ayurveda/tinospora_cordifolia.htm
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1067/5144286229_ffb599c7a0_z.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/5144287159_546c408929_z.jpg
I'm afraid I was unable to locate any French equivalent names -- but even using French sites on the web you should be to find them using their Latin equivalent names. Both these plants are lowland tropical plants which should exist in similar areas of West Africa.
Also, both using virgin coconut oil and Neem leaf tea (Azadirachta indica) would also be highly protective for the intestines against infection, constipation, parasites etc. These plants are also widely found in the tropics.
Best regards,
Bill :)
(South Carolina Usa)
03/18/2014
Bill, thank you for the information on your home grown herbs. Do you have a source for the seeds of the tropical herbs you grow? Thank you.
(San Fernando, Philippines)
03/18/2014
Hi John...Unfortunately, almost every herb that I grow is grown from local cuttings or twigs and there is no need to buy the seeds. The Chanca Piedra grows as a profuse weed in my garden which I am very thankful for. My partner does buy seeds from the local market in San Fernando to grow okra, sunflowers etc so she really has no need of an internet source. We also buy one or two herbs -- such as Aloe barbadensis and Holy Basil from the local garden centers. I try and avoid internet purchases if I can because the costs can be pretty high for shipment to the Philippines.
Hi Bill,
I was wondering if you would consider selling me some seeds from your Chanca Piedra plants. I'm in Australia and have searched tirelessly for weeks to find them online with no luck. I really want to grow this plant myself to make my own tinctures. Any help would be much appreciated.
Debra
(San Fernando, Philippines)
10/19/2014
Hi Debra...I'm afraid exporting/importing whole live plants/seeds from one country to another is extremely complicated, laden with rules, expensive and just not viable I'm afraid. It's also unlikely that Chanca piedra will ever be sold as a garden plant -- because it is a very plain plant that is essentially a weed with small flowers.
My opinion is that Chanca piedra might also grow in the jungle regions of northern Australia because chanca piedra also definitely grows in the western Pacific Rim islands and countries opposite northern Australia -- all jungle areas. So perhaps you could take a holiday sometime in these hotter Aussie jungle regions and find the plant and pick the seeds and grow them for free.
Chanca piedra grows about a meter in height. It's one single distinguishing and unique feature is that its small seeds can be found directly underneath and along the main stem petiole of the leaves of the plant. Here is an image of it to show you what I mean:
If you use Google images search, then you can find plenty of images of Chanca piedra. And if you can adequately recognize the plant from this one unique feature that I've described, then you may well be able to recognize and find it in the jungle regions of northern Australia.
Thanks Bill,
I know a guy who was making a tea from it which he was getting from an old guy in the next suburb but the guy died. I'm even thinking of seeing if I can get the address and got and ask the new owners if I could buy the plant of them but not sure if I can even get the address. You might be right though, they may not let it in via customs. Thank you anyway. Debra
(France)
04/27/2016
Hello Bill Can you please help me to tell how much tinospora cordifolia and chanca piedra should I take and for how long to pass one single 1.5 cm / 22 mm gall stone? My doctor ask me to remove gall bladder and I am very scared of surgery please help.
Thanks.
(San Fernando, Philippines)
04/27/2016
Hi Lea...Just use Chanca piedra (CP) on its own for gallstones -- that should easily be enough to dissolve and get rid of them. After all, CP's other nick-name is "Stone Breaker" with a long and highly successful history and reputation for dissolving both kidney stones and gallstones.
Take the Chanca piedra as a tea four times a day if you can (CP is not poisonous). If this is not possible then take 500 mgs capsules three times a day.
Avoid buying any herbs that have added chemicals or are denoted as "chemically standardized". Adding chemicals to the herb ruins the synergicity of all the herb's active natural chemical components and so this form does not work so well. Instead, you should always buy herbs that are either organic or wild-crafted in order to preserve the natural synergicity of the chemicals in the herb. This form always works the best.
It's difficult to say how long it will take to dissolve your stone. In fact, it's probably more correct to say that you probably have many gallstones and not just one stone. I estimate that you will see results within the week and you should feel much better after 3 or 4 weeks on this protocol. I would also cut down on dairy foods for a while -- avoid foods like milk, cheese, yoghurt. Calcium is a formative constituent of gallstones, so you should also avoid calcium rich foods.
Also, taking magnesium citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day with meals -- will also help to both alkalize the cells and it will also help to more properly balance the Calcium in the body.
Also be aware that supplementing CP lowers blood presssure, lowers blood sugar and helps to remove excess calcium from the blood. So if you are currently taking any drugs that do the same thing -- then taking CP might be contraindicated.
(Gainesville Florida)
08/01/2017
For the decocción for constipation
What amount of leaf of vine heart? and what amount from chanca piedra?in how many cups of water? How many cups to take a day?
(Toronto)
06/21/2021
I have been taking Chanca Piedra tea for a few weeks, 3x/day bags, not loose, and have not seen any gallstones (which I apparently have) being flushed out. For how long does one need to drink the tea to see any results? Also, I have just bought the CP tincture, any success stories with that to dissolve/ flush out gallstones?
Thanks
Osteoporosis
Bill, I also have osteoporosis in my right hip and I have been put on Calcium and vitamin D but my blood test show my calcium is normal. My Vitamin D and magnesium were also within normal range. My Dhea, Estradiol, Progesterone and Protein were low. I am taking a supplement which has calcium algae, Boron, Magnesium and Vitamin D along with vitamin k2 and another supplement of 7 Keto DHEA. But I do have calcium deposits noted on my aortic valve which causes a mild stenosis. Would I be able to take the chanca piedra and expect to see this clear up?
(The Philippines)
09/16/2017
★★★★☆
Hi Janie...There can be several causes for osteoporosis. You should continue taking the supplements you are taking, including the chanca piedra, but I would add the following supplements as well:
* Take 5% lugol's iodine -- 6 drops a day in a glass of water(work up to this dose slowly). Or you can take 50mgs to 120mgs of potassium iodide per day if you prefer. The iodine/iodide will ensure proper production of the calcitonin thyroid hormone which is the regulating hormone for the bone-forming iconoblasts cells in your bones. So increasing your iodine intake should also help to properly regulate and increase bone formation in your hips and bones.
* For the osteoporosis, I would also take Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy(See Ted's alkalizing remedies on EC). I would also change Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy in the following way. Just add the zest of the lemon(about 1/5 of lemon's surface area) to the alkalizing remedy. Then drink it and make sure you also chew and swallow the lemon zest as well. Take it once a day. Following this simple protocol once a day helps to protect the body's bone density. Lemon peel also contain high concentrations of hesperidin(as well as quercitin, limonene, gallic acid etc), which is a bioflavinoid that helps prevent bone loss in the human body. See this research article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18174393
* To help remove the dangerous LDL LipoA build-up on your heart valve, Linus Pauling's Vitamin C + Lysine protocol is probably the best and cheapest remedy for you. For serious problems ie arteriosclerosis in the heart, I would take 1/4 tspn Ascorbic acid(1000mgs) powder and 1/4 tspn lysine powder(1000mgs) in a half glass of water, at hourly intervals, at least 4 times a day. If you can do it, taking the vitamin C + lysine in a half glass of water 6 or 8 times a day would be much better. The short explanation for this remedy is that the vitamin C actively removes the dangerous build-up of LipoA on the arterial walls whereas the lysine actively deactivates the dangerous LDL(LipoA) in the blood so that it cannot be used to cause artery build-up. Here is an explanation of Linus Pauling's research with some testimonials:
Pseudogout (CPPD)
★★★★★
After having had my knee drained several times - calcium in the meniscus. Pseudo gout, I started taking a chanca piedra tablet 5 days a week. I have not had a flare up since even though I did bruise my meniscus on a recent bikepacking trip - I did not have a flare up where I certainly would have been off to get it drained in the past
Uterine Polyps
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RE Chanca Piedra and DHEA,
Just checking in with my DHEA experience and further info on my Chanca piedra experience also. I have been taking 25mgs DHEA. I would simply love it if some of the older women would chime in with what they experienced with DHEA.
As I mentioned last year in April of 2019 my menstruation returned and lasted all of one day. I initially cut down to taking DHEA 2 to 3 days a week, but I found I felt better when taking it at least 5 days a week. I also take Pregnenlone 50mgs on the days when I do not take DHEA, however I have taken both in one day. I just wanted to share that one day monthly may have been the beginning of something unconnected to the DHEA, a Polyp. I thought I was getting a re-visitation because of a poster, an elder lady said that's what happened to her while on DHEA. I did not believe her, but began to wonder that day when I noted my monthly seemed to have returned in April 2019. Anyway, I did go through some trauma and drama at the end of 2019. For 3 months I once again had what I thought was the return of my monthly. I finally went to the doctor because the bleeding was excessive. The verdict was it was a Polyp, The doctor said, it had already began to break apart on its own, she wanted to make an appointment to have it removed or simply watch it. I decided to let the Lord finish the work. I believe it was the Lord that gave me a mind to give the Chanca Piedra a second try before I had even gone to the doctor.
When I took the Chanca Piedra in April last year I got a reaction from it, "the ithes". I did Not have my eye glass on when I read directs before, so the two capsules I was taking equaled 1800mg a day, so what I did this time was only take One capsule instead 900mg a day. This time there was No itching as before. When I looked at the date that I started to take the Chanca Piedra, I wondered if that polyp was already there in April and it started breaking down the Polyp then and that's what caused the bleeding, but I stopped taking it, but it had not fully flushed out yet.
Interesting enough I would fall in and out of love with lemons a lot between those months which probably also help to break it up, and then I topped it off by trying the Chanca Piedra again. Whatever happened, they say the Lord works in mysterious ways bringing about miracles.
HisJewel
(USA)
02/25/2020
★★★★★
I see that I was not clear in the amount of Chanca Piedra that I took. The directions said to take two capsules once a day. Each capsule is 900mg. In April 2019, I took two 900mg capsules, that equaled to 1800mg. In January 2020, I tried them again, this time I took one capsule that is 900mg with No problems. Directions on my supplement bottle did not say whether to take with or without food. I generally take mine with, or after breakfast. HisJewel
Where to Buy
Just wondering - has anybody in Australia been able to get their hands on chanca piedra as I would like to try for gallstones. Thank you.
(Pennsylvania)
09/25/2015
Amazon sells chanca piedra.
Where to Buy
dear all,
my name is joseph a Ghanaian, I must admit you guys are doing amazing job, . please , I got tested for the HBV and appeared positive and chronic. please the medicines you are recommending I have not heard of them before don't know where I will get them in ghana. please I need your help. thanks.
(Ghana)
07/28/2015
Joe, chanca piedra is common in Ghana. It is known in Akan as awoba ato woakyir (hope my spelling is right) in apparent reference to the seeds that hang under the leaves.
(Accra)
08/13/2016
Chanca piedra is all over Ghana the local name is Awo ba agu nakyi .
(Acca, Greater Accra Region, Ghana)
09/26/2017
I need Chanca Piedra to buy in Ghana. Please, where can I get some to buy? Kindly let me know the location, name and the telephone number of the person to contact. Thank you
(Ghana)
09/26/2017
Chanca piedra grows naturally in Ghana, is a common weed and known locally as stone breaker or "at the back" in English & in Twi it's called Awo ba agu nakyi. You can check with Bill of Philippines posting as he has detailed pictures of Chanca piedra
Where to Buy
Hi, please could you advise where a person can buy Chanca Piedra in South Africa?
(Cape Town)
06/21/2016
Hi, has anyone found out where to buy CP in South Africa?
