I am on a regimen of supplements to control my AF I am going into my 5th year with. I had never gotten back to NSR without cardioversion, one time in AF for 14 days and scoped for clots before CV'd. Not something I wanted to depend on for life not to mention a large co pay. Of course after my last episode in March, cardios wanted me on a high dosage of flecainide daily. I wouldnt mind a PIP of it, but their words were, "Indefinitely" set me searching for alternatives. At that point I sought out a Naturopathic doctor. Asked, can you keep me in NSR or get me back to it with supplements. He was confident he could. I weaned off the meds in 2months and got on Mg, CoQ10, Hawthorne, Taurine, DHA, Zinc, Rib rose, B12, Iodine, and L-carnitine.
I got the test a few weeks ago waking up at 430am in AF. Heart rate was lower than usual episodes I think in part to being on the MG and Hawth, 80-100. I did five times my usual daily amount along with a tincture of cayenne for 4 hours. I was determined not to go to ER or try the PIP flec. At hour 5, I returned to NSR for the first time ever without doctor or cardiaoversion. Called ND and he was ecstatic wanting to know the exact dosage and what I took. He thought it was all good, but believed it was more the Mg and Hawthorne berry that did the trick.
I use a few different types of Mg because it can be difficult to contain in your small intestine. Mg Citrate is good, but I have recently switched to Mg Malate and find I can retain it longer. Also, Mg Oil. which you can apply topically near your heart, and assimilates quickly. I just used that and Hawthorne, 4-5 times the dose to get out of AF this month. Took about 5 hours, but it hasn't come back.
What type of Magnesium are you taking?
If I had one supplement to suggest someone with Atrial Fibrillation or any heart condition for that matter, Magnesium would be that. It took me 4 years to figure this out, but for some reason certain individuals deplete Mag levels in our bodies more than others. Possibly stress , or diet, but there are days I can t keep enough in my system. Ive dealt with Tachycardia several times and a high dose (800-1200mg) of Mag and Hawthorne (2000mg), gets me in NSR. I have not used it yet to get me out of full AF, but I am more confident now than I have ever been on Meds. Hope to never take Meds again.
About PACE MAKERS and atrial fib...
My father's side of the family all have bad hearts, except for his youngest brother who did, and still does, EVERYTHING wrong health wise. He smoked has been a big drinker from really young, always in bed, or over the pub. My Father, who did EVERYTHING by the book health wise, died young from heart problems and his Mother as well. There were 9 children in his Family of them and only 3 now alive. My uncle his second youngest brother, was told weeks after my Father died he urgently needed a pacemaker or he'd be dead very soon.
My cousin, his eldest daughter, became ill on the day he booked into the hospital for his operation, and he asked the surgeon could he reschedule the operation as his child was ill. The surgeon refused and told him if he left then he wasn't responsible for his death and refused to put him back on the waiting list. LUCKY FOR HIM!!!! All his siblings had heart operations and all ended up with worsening heart problems followed by multiple operations.
HE'S NEVER HAD A HEART ATTACK AND IS STILL ALIVE AND FIT AS A FIDDLE!!! That was 14 year's ago and he's now in his late 70's and no problem's and never been near a Heart Doctor, or his own Doctor for any Heart complaint since that day.
Love Andrea C xxxx
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Hi Ron, Thank you much for sharing your finding. Did you take the bentonite on empty stomack in the morning, or on divided portions? Best
Sodium Bentonite Clay
At last I can finally say I have cured my a fib. I had tried every thing there was to cure it in the past and nothing worked. I had all day everyday 24 hour a fib. It was worse at night when I would wake up with my heart racing, or when I laid down to sleep I heard the thumping in my ear drum. For all that are serious about a cure, the vitamins, are useless, the juicing helps, all other supplements do not make a dent in the problem. The cure I found was to remove toxic acids from the body, mostly from the colon. The best way to do that is with sodium bentonite clay. I try to take 5 tablespoons each day but it is not easy to do at at times it can be contipating but the body rids itself of acids and toxins with good healthy large bowel movements. It will take time, mine was 6 months before noticeable improvement, and for some 6 months to 2 years and it should be continued for as long you want to keep the body clean and toxin free. Also with the bentonite it is vital to take probiotics. Healing begins in the colon and healing is a longer process than what many want but we did not get Afib overnight and will not cure it overnight. I have suggested this to others on other websites but they say I did not cure myself and that I am wrong yet they still suffer. I suspect there may be others that say the same here, but for those that want relief, do it and you will be cured as I am.
Has anyone suffered a first time attack of Gout when taking a combination of the above stated supplements?
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Linda: I was 50lbs over weight, had many bad conditions, and many terrible diseases. I didn't go to the doctor because I was not able to wait for a long time in a confined space with nothing to do at a free clinic. I studied and tried various natural treatment plans and enjoyed limited success. Then I discovered one treatment plan that changes all the bad conditions to good conditions, cured all the diseases that were causing me so much suffering, and melted off all the fat. Nourishment. Just eating right was the solution that made my body buzz like a bee. I studied what herbivores, carnivores, centenarians, and athletes eat. Organic baby leaves are the best vegetable. The nutrients are locked up in the cellulose so grinding up in the blender is required. I take 8oz/day of the 5 super babies. Organic berries are the best fruit. Activated barley, whole sugars, bananas, and water kefir made from whole flours are the best carbs. They have to be organic. Chili is the best herb. Desiccated liver is the best meat. Non denatured whey and colostrum are the best dairy. Expeller pressed coconut oil is the best saturated fat. Black chia seeds are the best unsaturated fat. The super foods are the best protein. Skate liver oil is best for fat soluble nutrients. I take the carbs, oils, and proteins together and keep fat below 10%/calorie or 5%/g with 1 pint of kefir and water every hour.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
To Dave, Thank You so much for your quick response. I will purchase and try these things you have suggested. Anything that will lead me in the right direction is a blessing. You and Earth Clinic are so very important to the well being of people that have given up on conventional medicine. But, still need guidance in how to help themselves. I will report back if I find that this has helped even in the slightest.
Thank you Sarah. At the time this first happened I was on a terrible diet. I m sure I did deplete my minerals. No matter the diet I can't seem to lose weight. So I simply gave up food except for a salad a day with small portion of chicken. Went like this for months and only lost 6 pounds. I don't eat breads or pasta, potatoes or rice. Stay away from sugar and artificial sweeteners. I try to keep up with the fresh fruits and veggies not always successful. I guess some would call it a low carb diet, I gain weight very easily so I just don't eat the way I should. Thank you for your help.
Thank you Mike62. It is good to hear that you overcame this problem and that something can actually be done. I was told to live with it. I have hope now that it can be reversed by means of good nutrition and vitamins. Do you believe that your problem was A-fib or Peripheral Neuropathy?
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
To Linda from Washington,
Do not wish to give you disconcerting information and certainly hope I am wrong but the symptoms you give would indicate you are verging on very serious heart situation.
If this were me...
And I did have a friend a year (plus) ago who asked for advice with many of the symptoms you mentioned. When we was bending over working in his garden, he'd have an onset of symptoms especially heavy feeling in his chest. Etc.
I told him and tell you...be very careful NOT to exert until corrective action is undertaken .... immediately.
He refused to go to Doc or ER having had bad experience with same a few years earlier.
I told him he must get on the following immediately...
Vitamin E (NATURAL E, d alpha tocopherol, not the synthetic dl....) Get the real thing in health food store not drug store. Start with 200 iu daily and increase to 400 in 30 days, then increase to 600 a month later. I take 1,000 IUs daily of dl alpha tocopherol. E will clean veins and arteries and oxygenate the heart (and other muscles).
PS...You do not have PN. Even if you did, it's the least of your worries.
1,000 mg of Arginine
500 mg of herb Hawthorn
1,000 mg of Co Q 10
100 mg of niacin (causes a flush... read about this on internet)
After you start up with the E, get off the aspirin since the E is a blood thinner and you don't need aspirin to thin once on E.
1,000 mg of magnesium
500 mg of potassium...good source is ACV .... one tablespoon in large glass of water...sipped after last meal of day
Remote possibility you have infection in heart...don't think so...but just in case take two tablespoons of colloidal silver on empty stomach for two weeks...will kill infection if any. Important on empty stomach to get into blood stream.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Hi Linda, it might be peripheral neuropathy OR you might have a magnesium deficiency and/or potassium deficiency and/or electrolyte deficiency triggered when you exert yourself. I would start restoring your magnesium levels each day to see if this helps. Vitamin C packets with electrolytes might be helpful as well. Just make sure to find ones without aspartic acid, an artificial sweetener which can trigger a-fib. Make sure your diet contains no hidden MSG or artificial sweeteners. Please let us know what your diet is like.
Alternatively, you might have a good chiropractor check to see if a rib or two is out of place.
I have heard Alpha Lipoic Acid is good for Peripheral Neuropathy, so you can research that and see if it works.
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Linda: I had the same thing 10 years ago. Good simple nutrients like vitamins and minerals from raw organic whole foods make good hormones that are vasodilators. More nutrients and oxygen get through to the tissues. Bad simple nutrients and toxins from cooked conventionally grown foods make bad hormones that are vasoconstrictors so less oxygen and nutrients get to the tissues. Take a green smoothie made from 1oz organic baby leaves, 12oz water, 1/4g sun dried sea salt, and some organic chili every 2 hours. Eat lots of organic berries. Take 1/2 coconut oil and 1/2 flax oil for fats. Keep oils below 5%/g. Eat 30g non denatured whey isolate or concentrate for protein. Eat a combination of organic bananas including the peel and organic whole sugars for carbs. Take the carbs, proteins, and oils together every 2 hours. Take 2ml skate liver oil/day.
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I have a question. Is it possible due to an injury to my upper back that there was damage to a nerve that would also cause A-Fib symptoms? I have been studying this possibility because I had an injury a herniated disk with so much pain in my upper back. I am 65. A few months later was doing a lot of scrubbing and general cleaning but was bending over and using my arms and shoulders for lifting as well. Soon after had an attack of a racing heart and shortness of breath. Was rushed to the ER and was admitted to the hospital over night. Soon after admitting the racing heart stopped on its own and breathing was back to normal. They couldn't find anything wrong. I was set up with a Cardio and had all the tests. Wore a monitor over a few days. They could find nothing wrong with my heart said it was A-Fib and put me on toprol and low dose aspirin. Said go home that's all that could be done. If it got worse come back. The only time I have these attacks is when I over do and do too much physical work that involves my back and shoulders and arms. Also I seem to be able to help it to ease a little just by changing position and it only seems to happen after going to sleep. I sleep hard and don't seem to change position and when I wake the back of my head is numb and now I notice that the tip of my nose gets numb at different times depending on how I sit or stand. So does anyone know could this be caused by Peripheral Neuropathy? The Doctors that I question say you have A-Fib live with it. I doubt that. I think it may be something else. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
A-Fib: Two years ago I started having problems with heart palpitations they got so severe at one point I was hospitalized. Thinking I was having a heart attack my Doctor set me up with the usual tests. Holter monitor, stress tests all of them. They decided in the end that it may be the beginning of A-Fib. Not ready to start me on all the meds since I was already taking high blood pressure medicine and a low dose aspirin and 1200 mgs. of calcium. I had been taking potassium as well but after blood work my doctor stopped them saying I didn't need them. The cardiologist decided to put me on toprol too. I didn't like the way they made me feel but, believing in Doctors as all knowledgeable I continued on. I kept having less severe attacks that I learned how to ease somewhat until they went away. I was trying to lose weight and I was on pretty much a starvation diet for a long time after having tried so many things and couldn't lose any weight. My Doctor was informed of this, he ignored it. My friend suggested I try some magnesium so to humor her I went to the grocery and bought a bottle of magnesium. Didn't seem to help much. But then last summer my sister introduced me to Calm and some literature by a naturopath. I read and then read everything I could find on the subject it explained so much about my symptoms and I was shocked so decided to search the internet and found Earth Clinic you are a life saver thank you so much for being here for us. I discovered due to my bad diet I had depleted my mineral stores and my heart was reacting to the loss of them. I started back on potassium and took the Calm magnesium every day in the high dose recommended. I read Dr. Carolyn Deans web page and stopped the calcium. Since that time I have not experienced another A-Fib attack or felt the least bit of a problem from my heart.
Sorry to be so long winded but, I wanted to be clear on what the cause was. That magnesium works wonders and to keep learning and to Thank all who send their information to Earth Clinic for the good of us all.
Here is my latest information. [older posts under Alkaline Diet in the A-Fib section]
I have suggested previously that my afib was caused by toxic blood and that my PH was off. I have since put it all together even more and have cured my afib with a simply effective therapy. Since it is my belief AFIB is an over acid condition caused by poor gut function, poor adrenal function, poor diet, etc I have addressed those issues. Anyone can see the things I have tried over the years and believe me no one supplement will do it, but a long term therapy will. My final solution to this problem is unique and maybe a bit unusual for those not as familiar with this monster as I am. I take bentonite clay and probiotics as my major therapy. The bentonite pulls the toxins and acids from the body and the probiotics creates healing conditions in the colon. None of this comes in a short time this takes over a year of work. The bentonite is the best thing to draw acids from the body, and those acids create conditIons when the heart surface tissue becomes inflamed and irritated resulting in what we know as afib. I take sodium bentonite in a liquid bentonite from a well known company that supplies the product. First use of bentonite can cause constipation so use should be for 3 days on 4 days off until one gets used to it.Probiotics should be a good brand like Key or dr Ohhiras. If one wants to speed the process a bit diet change can come to play, maybe not a radical as mine since I have become mostly vegetarian. It takes time to heal the monster give yourself a year at least. For more information on this and to get products one can look up unique healing on youtube or simply buy your own wherever you like. It works for me and should work for you.
Just to mention that Afib can be caused by chemicals that have gotten into the heart that you have been exposed to. Clear out those toxins and the heart could be better.
@Paul: Maybe no quick fix on this one; but here is a list of supportive nutrients for heart health other than you mentioned. CoQ10 or Ubiquinol, Taurine, D Ribose. You may also consider an herbal combination supporting the entire cardiovascular system, which would include: Hawthorn berry, Gingko biloba leaf, White Oak bark, Butchers Broom, Horse Chestnut, Cayenne, Ginger, Garlic.
You may also consider recommendations by Dr. Sinatra. He has a YouTube channel and two very helpful books on heart disease/health.
Dear Paul, Re your AFIB - some suggestions - try to stay away from anything with MSG in it. MSG sets off afib in my husband if he ingests too much of it. Last year he had to have his heart stopped and restarted in the ER to get it back in rhythm. This cost over SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, not to mention the stress of it all. Scary stuff.
After that I read everything I could about afib.... And attempted to figure out why he had it, and then moved on to figure out what he needed to take (and avoid! ) to keep it from happening again.
It is important to keep your electrolytes in balance. My husband now takes daily magnesium 400mg, calcium every other day, 600mg, potassium daily 99mg, and taurine daily 1000 mg.... If he goes into afib, he immediatly takes an additional 1000mg taurine (taurine competes with and takes msg out of the body) and another magnesium and potassium also.
Additional vitamins to think about taking daily would be 1000mg vitamin C, 400mg vit E ( to keep blood thin.... Say no to the rat poison Coumadin that your Dr. will try to put you on! ) a good B complex, zinc, and 100-200mg of CO-Q10.
Thus far we have avoided a return trip to the hospital, knock wood. Hope you can do the same.... good luck.
I have had an irregular heart beat and Atrial Fibrillation for some time. I have taken L-carnatine magnesium and acupuncture. Could you provide any further non drug help? Paul
I have had arrythmia (atrial fibrillation) for many years and discovered certain procedures to stop the attacks.
Drink Ice Cold Water
If you experience these super rapid heart beats (approx. 180 per minute) you may find relief by drinking ice cold water. Sometimes just a few swallows will do the trick within a minute but drinking a large glass and then lying down maybe required at other times depending on your condition.
Exhale Through Nose
Another technique I discovered was to inhale through the nose to the count of 4 and then exhale through the mouth for a count of 16. You may have to purse your lips to slow the exhalation sufficiently. Do this 4 times and then wait. It may take several minutes before your regular heart rate suddenly kicks in
Stretch Arms Over Shoulders
Lastly, sometimes just stretching your arms and shoulders over your head as far as you can as if to touch the ceiling and holding it for 10 seconds or more can do the trick. This can also be done lying down.
Another variation of this would be to hang on to something like the molding over door way and stretch. Keep your feet on the floor.
Take Fish Oil
I have had little or no problem with arrythmias when I started taking a good quality fish oil for several months. I don't think I can recommend brands here but it should be high in EPA and DHA and you should take the maximum dose.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for sharing.
Denise, are you able to post the study information for us to locate it? I've been searching, but don't seem to find that one. Thx.
Afib and Oat Bran: My Doc suggested a diet and exercise to reduce my cholesterol (239) but I've been doing that for years with little success. I've also had my heart skipping a beat about once or twice per minute (for years).
So, I read where an 8 week diet of a half cup of oat bran each day would lower my cholesterol. I started Feb. 21st and the amazing thing to me is that my heart palpitations stopped on the 22nd and I've not had ONE skip and it's only a few days away from being a month. I feel so much better, so much more energy.
My wife has been making delicious oat bran muffins, pancakes, and also just hot cereal with blueberries, so we haven't had problems sticking with thie diet. I will have my cholesterol checked again after another month but sure don't plan to abandon this diet if things continue as they are now.
Denise: if I am not mistaken, I wathced a YouTube video of the author of this study; a scientist with high degrees and a nobel to boot (if I'm not mistaken). He had enough clout to publish the truth and facts of a common health problem. Dr. Sinatra highly reccomends supplementing Carnitine in combo with the CoQ10 as they commpliment each other in a much better heart health result (he published a book on this but I don't know the title. He also has a youTube page). Also, supplementing the Ubiquinol form of CoQ10 is also reccomended. Also, Vit-E (mixed tocopherols and tocotreinols) work very well w/ Ubiquinol and Selenium. For pathogens, Grapefruitseed extract and Neem will work well in combo or rotate with the Olive Leaf. Oregeno is also indicated.
I have been doing research on Arterial Fibrillation for my Father. He has been healthy and strong his whole life and a few years ago was diagnosed with AF. He came back from a trip from Africa with a blistering rash on his mouth and chin. He also had toe nail fungus and had them removed. Then he was diagnosed with AT. He had that heart reset procedure that would correct the problem for a while then lapsed back to AF. I found an obscure French study that stated that ALL AF patients they tested also had H. pylori infection. I have had a feeling there may very well may be a connection of some type of fungal and bacteria infection affecting the heart. Parasites can also disrupt the heart rhythm. I will start him on Olive Leaf and Iodine and Selenium, B 2 , B 3 , Coq 10, Milk Thistle supplements and see what the next EKG says. I will let you know.
Well it has been over 72 hours since my root canal infected teeth were pulled. The dentist showed me the pus that was festering in my gums and had to scrape pus and dead tissue from my bone, do a bone graft and fill a big hole where tissue had died. The other dentist really did a number on me. For years this infected mess called root canals that was suppose to safe was pumping toxic waste into my body affecting heart, my sinuses, and possibly my colon and liver. I was a toxic mess. I am sitting here still with the sore mouth the swelling has almost gone away, the afib is not being noticed at all. I have a bridge in my mouth, not as comfortable as the other teeth but not as deadly either. I suspect it will be much more comfotable when the stiches are pulled on the 15th of Aug. 2012. Any with afib should look up the dangers of root canals and you will see the most affected organ from root canals is the heart. I am sure I have cured my a fib and am continuing with my life as a juicer, a faster, and an aloe vera drinking man knowing now I will hit at least 100 years unless I go by accident.. Those years will not be sick years they will be healthy and wise years. The human body has the capacity to live 120 years yet almost no one in this country ever comes close while persons of other countries those that live in high fertile areas do. Maybe its because they drink that dangerous raw milk every day or eat that unpasturized deadly raw yogurt this sick and stupid country bans.
I have recently read where doctor weston price years ago found out that root canals were responsible for many diseases. his work was overlooked and buried for over 70 years. it seems that these things leak bacteria with no apparent symtoms for years. only when the gums become inflamed and sore does one realize root canals are not what they appear.
then it dawned on me, the fact that shortly after getting 2 root canals in 1995 i started getting afib and tinnitus. could that be the hidden cause of my afib the doctors are clueless about? could that be the one thing all doctors overlook and all dentists say no way? could it be dental procedures are as deadly and dangerous as the poison drugs doctors give us? could it be the entire medical proffesion is out to kill us? i think maybe so. i will know tomorrow when i have these yanked out and replaced with implants. i will post any changes.
One known trigger of atrial fibrillation are veterinary antibiotics. This has been confirmed and they are present as residues in meat and dairy. See www.freewebs.com/lasalocid
I have atrial fribrillation for 10 years and have tried virtually all health foods. Molasses (3 tbl/day) appears to have a major difference so far but I will have to wait a couple more months to be sure. It has also lowered my pulse.