Can I give my dog apple cider vinegar when she is taking 10mg of Prednidale per day, please?
Hi I am so sorry to hear about your cat. Did things improve? I hope you can give us a positive update.
My cat has flea allergies and had received a cortisone shot about once a year for the last 8 years or so. She never had any issues with the shot until last year. A few hours after the shot I noticed she was so stiff and had a large hump to her back. The next day the hump remained and she stumbled when walking and would fall when she tried to jump. Took her back to the vet but he said her hump was her loss of muscle mass due to being older. I insisted she had never had that before. He also suggested her stumbling and falling was old age and it was probably a coincidence she got the shot the same time that happened. A year later and she's never been the same after that last shot. I know it was the cortisone shot that caused this.
if nothing else start charcoal powder in the dog's water immediately!
My dog got very sick, diarrhea, staring /spacing out, lethargic, and quit walking after a 12-month heart guard shot. She is a shitzu mix. Is she going to get better or worse? She received the shot 3.5 weeks ago.
Generic Frontline (Fipronil) for small dogs, 1/2 vial on 8 lb chihuahua causing daily seizures.
My 8 yo mini schnauzer was recently a day patient at the local ‘holistic' vet having IV fluids as she was stage 3 CKD and also had an ultrasound to confirm if any other organ damage. Following the ultrasound at 3pm she was given IV Metronidozole (without neither my consent or any diagnostic test to confirm bacterial infection) “in case she has an infection”.
At 4.15 the vet called me to say that my bubba had to be monitored for BP and fluids overnight by a specialist emergency vet and to pick her up straight away.
I didn't know about the IV antibiotic until I picked her up, it was only when I later read the invoice that I saw Metronidazole and when I looked it up was horrified to read that it is contraindicated in renal deficiency as it is high in sodium, causes hypertension and acute kidney injury which leads to azotemia. The invoice also had an amount for another item I was unfamiliar with - cystocentisis ( needle into bladder to extract urine). I was not informed of this either or had given consent for any treatment other than fluids and the ultrasound.
Things went from bad to worse at the emergency vet, my bubba was there for 3 days and when I finally found out the exact drugs she was being pumped with I brought her home. She died in my arms at home on 07/10/18 from severe toxic and fluid overload that caused pulmonary edema, brain hemorrhage and heart failure.
After extensive research into every drug she was given I have determined that the vet punctured her bladder during the cystocentisis so gave her IV metronidazole “in case of infection” without consideration of kidneys but it caused BP to significantly elevate and and acute kidney failure hence the urgency for “overnight monitoring of BP and fluids by specialist”.
The toxic side effects from Metronidazole in renal deficiency caused severe headaches, nausea, dizziness, confusion, gastric pain and lack of appetite. The emergency vet did not take this into consideration and did not do any diagnostics prior to pumping IV PPI's (esomeprazole & omeprazole) and giving her other highly potent nephrotoxic drugs to stimulate appetite/anti nausea (Mirtazapine - anti depressant used in humans for major depressive disorder & Ondansetron - used for chemo related symptoms in humans).
She didn't stand a chance ðŸ˜
I am truly sorry for your loss, my heart goes out to anyone losing a pet having been there myself, I am deeply saddened to know this happened to you.
I am grateful for the information as my cat recently was rushed to the vet with a high fever which resulted in 4 days in the hospital. He was given Clavamox and Baytril. He would not take the Baytril and I continued him on Clavamox for 12 days as directed. I discontinued at day 12 because he vomited but made a full recovery. It's so hard to know what the symptoms will be if there is a reaction, sites like this are incredibly helpfulin that regard. I am grateful for this knowledge as I have another cat and I know what to look for.
Thank you for sharing. Again, I am truly sorry for your loss.
I am extremely thankful to come across this post, my cat was just prescribed this medicine along with others after having a suspected respiratory infection. He wouldn't take this drug regardless of my many efforts and the vet told me to stop administering. I can't tell you how GRATEFUL I am to know this, I had never heard of the drug before and in my research came across so much information it's hard to know what to listen to esp when your cat is seriously ill. Thank you so much for letting others know. I am however deeply saddened that it was learned by the loss of your cats, my heart goes out to you and I am truly sorry for your loss.
It is exceedingly irresponsible to use any allopathic drug found in a drawer on a pet, firstly without seeking vet advice, & even MORE importantly if it is a fluoroquinolone so called antibiotic such as Cipro. PLEASE DO NOT use Cipro or ANY fluoroquinolone on any living creature unless it is dying! These extremely dangerous so called fluoroquinolone 'antibiotics' are actually failed chemo drugs, they are topoisomerase inhibitors masquerading as antibiotics, & they are trashing the lives of countless people & our precious pets through the world, they have been doing so for around 30 years. This includes ALL modes of administration of FQ, INCLUDING the topical versions, the eye & ear drops . I am now permanently disabled because of this drug, & my precious cat was also sent irreversibly blind by the FQ BAYTRIL.
Please note the following : The FDA have again updated the warnings on this class of so called ' antibiotic'. because of our advocacy, this time confirming that are indeed associated with disabling & potentially permanent side effects of the tendons, muscles, joints, nerves, & CNS all which can occur together in the same patient, I know so, I exist in this horrific world every day along with many others. The FQs should only ever be used as a last resort drug, when all other suitable antibiotic options have been tried & all have failed due to the serious risks they pose.
Again, & I cannot stress this strongly enough, Please, do NOT take this so called ' antibiotic' unless you will die without it. Please google fluoroquinolone toxicity / FQAD ( fluoroquinolone associated disability ) for more information on this worldwide atrocity. You can find stories of pets who have suffered injuries from these so called antibiotics here. Http://www.floxiepets.com Https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm500143.htm
(Mpls., Mn) on 07/25/2017
The drug you are giving your dog contains prednilisone, a form of prednisone which is a steroid. The panting/feeling hot all the time leads to tanking up on water/excessive drinking. Some might consider it a normal side effect as it is very common. If your dog must be on steroids expect continued panting and perhaps offer a fan for her that she can use to cool off when she wants. One concern is to cut down on the dose too quickly; steroids doses should be gradually tapered down to avoid steroid withdrawal symptoms [weakness, joint pain, fatigue]. Due to excessive thirst you will need to make sure you factor in extra potty breaks to avoid accidents in the house. Keep in close contact with your vet if you remain concerned. Have you gotten to the bottom of why your girl is having allergic reactions?
I have a 9 year old English bulldog who has been on apoquel and constant antibiotics for allergies. She went to a new vet who suggested Temaril p. My dog started Wednesday evening with 3 pills followed by 3 pills Thursday morning and evening and Friday morning before I became concerned with her panting. I gave her 1 pill Friday night and called the vet in the morning. I gave her 1 pill Saturday morning and the vet called back in the afternoon with instructions too decrease to 2 pills and so on. I decided to only give 1 pill Saturday night and she was up all night panting. It's Sunday now and I gave her 1/2 pill as to continue reducing the dose. She is not feeling well and I am concerned. What can I do?
Today July 13th at 6:30pm I brought my chihuahua to the vet for a stomach problem, they quoted me $500 to run some test. I told them I would go home to discuss with my wife and come back in the morning. They then pushed for a steriod shot which I accepted thinking it was the right thing to do. 30 minutes later, just as I walk in the house, my dog dies in my hands. We are in pieces right now! What can I do?
Sorry you are going through this. I can only offer this; if it is an oral systemic, daily activated charcoal for the duration of the effectiveness of the medicine may help bind it out of the system; neutralize some of the toxic effects. I would also fill out an adverse event FDA medication form and file it. I do know that homeopathic Thuya 30c is given to help reverse adverse effects of vaccinations. A call to a naturpathic vet could also be good.
I gave my dog NexGard 3 days ago and today he can barely walk he's shaking and qquit twitching. Is there a homemade remedy for me to detox him?
(Mpls., Mn) on 03/20/2017
If this were my dog I would give activated charcoal - found in tablet form at the drugstore or health food store, with each meal and perhaps a couple of extra times a day in a treat. You might also consider a homeopathic remedy for poisoning - please google and read what may apply to your situation.
I gave my 8 year dachshund a nexgard 1/2 pill, now shaking and scratching, please help. How do I detox the Nexgard side effects?
There is Vet here in Oregon, that loves animals and he charges the most reasonable prices and he is good guy. My cat really likes him a lot . I think he is cat whisperer My 11 year old indoor cat, fuffy was itching like crazy she was itching her rump tail and ear Fuffy was examine fleas so he gave her comfortis I went home was super scared to give the pill to her so I cut the pill in half and gave it to her the next 30 minutes fleas were dead or dying hours later Fuffy smelled like chemicals and fishy ..then I ran and read the side effects/reviews I was in utter shocked at how many people pets died within hours or days of taking it, I called VETS the receptionist said, well there are side effects with some pets! Death is side effect holey moley ...we quickly mixed up charcoal and gave it to her for three days and put her a nice warm sea salt bath for 20 minutes this pulls poisons out of her system. She survived. Anyhow after the all the fleas were dead she was still itching her rump, so we stopped her food and put her on tuna with a 1/2 tsp, of organic 100% pure pumpkin mixed in with tuna and all the itching stopped and her anal gland was back to normal . I wonder if the swelling of the gland was an allergic reaction to her food.
I know this is a quite awhile since you posted. So, I don't know if you will read this.
If anyone needs an antibiotic. You should use Colloidal silver. The best quality.
This can be given internally and sprayed on externally. I never use anything else for my 4 dogs and 3 cats. For any type of infection.
I would also, recommend using original, baby shampoo, to bathe in. Followed by, in the final rinse. half water/half white vinegar. And, leave it on to dry.
Feed only raw. Food causes a lot of allergies. And, skin issues. Etc.
(Mpls., Mn) on 11/21/2016
Changes in behavior is one side effect of the Medrol - you might tell your vet right away of the changes you are seeing in your dog. Possible remedies to counteract the steroid might be bentonite clay and activated charcoal - find it in the health food store and dose as for an adult human, and provide plenty of fresh water.
If anyone is able to help I have a 55 pound golden retriever with really bad seasonal allergies she's 6 and had the same problem last fall lost all her hair on her chest cut herself up. When I brought her to the vet he gave her Medrol pills starting her off with 8 mg two times a day I'm thinking that's too much but I gave it to her 4 hrs. ago now she's getting really aggravated growling and snapping every time her brother gets near her she's even trying to bite me she's usually the sweetest, happiest, most playful dog you ever want to meet. Anyone know what could be wrong. I hope the vet didn't give her tpo strong of a dose.
(Mpls., Mn) on 11/01/2016
I have experienced seasonal allergies in my dogs before along with dogs with food sensitivities. I had one who only had problems in the fall, like your dog, and I have had others who seemed to be sensitive to the mold in the lawn during the spring thaw, and others to the pollen from certain trees. I have gotten them through with prednisone, and antibiotics when they blew up and got infected - no fun! Prevention is almost as much work as effecting a cure when you have a sensitive dog. What helped my pack was:
1) top quality groceries and NO grains/corn in the diet, no diets with artificial anything/dyes/added colors, no doggy junk food
2) alkalizing the drinking water with baking soda on a rotating schedule
3) Ted's Borax protocol for dogs [borax in drinking water] on a rotating schedule
4) oral supplements to reduce inflation - turmerc, yucca and quercetin
5) boosting the immune system with colostrum from health food store
6) reducing allergens in the environment - neutral laundry soap and house hold cleaners
7) frequent bathing in Ted's Mange Remedy when dogs seemed 'itchy'
8) benadryl - if you know an episode is heading your way sometimes dosing ahead of time can avert an allergic reaction
9) prednasone/steroid shot - when I am out of ideas and my pet is suffering, I will use them.
The key is to keep looking for solutions until you find one that works. I would start with the diet and I would not hesitate to rotate protiens - so fish protien for one bag, next bag I buy is chicken diet, then the bag after that is beef diet, and so on. NO doggy junk food - which is pretty much any dog treat on the market. I use cubed swiss cheese for treats [yellow cheese is colored with annatto which some dogs are sensitive to]. I would also have an allergy dog on a limited vaccination schedule / no more vaccines.
Good luck and let us know what works for your pei!
I am very anxious to find a natural remedy for my 1 yr old Sharpei who started suffering allergies at 6 months during the fall time which now he is a year and they are starting again. He is on prednisone and antibiotic because he was scratching and biting himself so bad he had open cuts. We did notice a huge difference the first time he was on the antibiotic stopped the itching and healed all the hot spots. This time around his skin under is foreleg is so dry and cracked and peeling. I am very concerned that it is from the antibiotic. I have been putting coconut oil on it, but need advice for another remedy please or has anyone else experienced this before?
Yup. Sadie was having the chewing and itching problems. She was also pawing at her left ear. Vet gave her a Kenalog shot and saw an infection in her ear. Usual lethargy, drinking a lot of water and peeing a lot ensued.After 9 days of cream treatment for the ear, I took her for a follow up. Vet said infection was getting better but gave her an anti-biotic shot as well. When I got home I looked at the bill and saw it was another kenalog shot. I had a cow! Friend of ours just passed the boards to be a veterinarian. Called her.I called the vet and reported the side effects and the receptionist noted them for her records. Receptionist said a second one wouldn't hurt. Another week and no return call or follow up. Last night she strained for over ten minutes to poop. No more Kanalog for my dog!
Ayre, I am so sorry for your loss! I am just finding this information about reactions to Metronidazole. I am currently experiencing the same frightening thing to my dog, a German Shepherd, except for blindness. He had diarrhea and the vet prescribed this Metro, 500 mg 2 x day. On day 5 he collapsed, had a convulsive seizure, couldn't use his back legs, was confused, starting urinating in the house which he never has done. I stopped the drug immediately, had them do that valium IV drip - the antidote. I am so angry and afraid I may lose him. Worst thing, my vet says she is sure it is not this med. What upsets me is it can be toxic even if given recommended dose. The vets prescribe this drug like it was candy.
Great letter! I may use some of your points to write to my vet. My Sammy, an 11 year old German Shepherd suffered a toxic reaction also to this drug and my vet also says she doubts it was this drug. I know it was. My poor boy is still recuperating, I stopped the drug on day 5 when he had seizures, was panting, confused, lost back legs, wobbly. I also was not warned about neurological possibilities- and I did read reviews before I gave it to him but he was only going to be on it 5 days so I didn't think he'd be in danger. I never imagined what bad effects could come from a drug. He started urinating in the house, which now I learned is a side effect. We always said he had kidneys like no other- but this is not his fault. I did my own research and insisted on the Valium drip. This morning he is showing signs of being more alert. He won't eat still, can't stand on his own, and is still very weak and lethargic. I am so angry.
I am sharing a recent experience we had with our puppy - by pasting a letter I sent to our vet practice. Thanks for sharing your stories. I am angry at myself for not researching this medication before giving it to our dog. The good news is that Sammy is improving every day and we have seen no further seizures.
RE: Sammy R
Dear Office Management,
I am writing in follow-up to express concern about the care of our dog, Sammy, in your urgent care clinic. As discussed, Sammy was seen by Dr. U. on 7/24/16 for diarrhea and Dr. Y. for seizure on 7/25/16.
I have the following concerns:
Sammy was given a medication, Metronidazole, for treatment of diarrhea. Dr. U. did not discuss treatment options nor shared information about potential side effects of this medication. Of most concern, is the fact that this medication is known to have neurotoxic side effects, even at low doses. No potential side effects of this medication were listed on the “Home Care Instructions” I received at discharge.
2) When your medical team is prescribing any therapy, risks and benefits should be explained thoroughly so that pet owner can make an informed decision. Dr. U's failure to do this is simply unacceptable and substandard care.
3) Metronidazole is not recommended for use in young puppies. Sammy is 7 ½ months old. Given his age, why was this medication used as a first line approach for treatment of Sammy's diarrhea? Why weren't other treatment options offered and discussed with me?
4) I informed Dr. U. that I had given Sammy Loperamide during the night and that his diarrhea seemed improved the next day. Ironically, Dr. U. “scolded” me for giving Loperamide without calling to discuss first. Loperamide has few known side effects for Golden Retrievers. In effect, it is a much safer option than an antibiotic with known neurotoxic risks. I have consistently read in the literature “antimicrobial therapy and routine use of antibiotics in cases of acute uncomplicated diarrhea is strongly discouraged.” Antibiotics are specifically indicated only in animals with: confirmed bacterial infection, predisposition for bacterial translocation, and increased risk for sepsis. It would seem that prescribing Metronidazole as a first line approach for Sammy's uncomplicated diarrhea was completely unnecessary.
5) When Sammy had a seizure within 24 hours of initiating this therapy, I again took him to your urgent care center. Dr. Y. agreed that the medication should be discontinued, but felt that the seizure was an unlikely to be a side effect. As such, she focused on investigating possible toxins and liver disease.
6) I now know that neurotoxicity and CNS symptoms (including seizure) are well-documented side effects of Metronidazole. Dr. Y's decision to disregard the seizure as a possible medication side effect (despite the recent initiation of the medication within the preceding 24 hours) also resulted in a missed opportunity for Valium treatment. The literature states that it can take up to 2 weeks for neurological side effects from Metronidazole to resolve. This time frame is significantly reduced through the use of Valium therapy. I feel certain that Dr. Y did not even consider Valium as a treatment option for possible neurotoxicity/neuro side effects. Instead, Sammy spent the next week with lethargy, pacing, panting, confusion, and had TWO more seizures within the next 24 hours.
This experience has been extremely stressful for Sammy and our family. I have learned to never unquestioningly follow the recommendation of a vet without first doing my own research. Although it remains to be seen if Sammy's seizures and behavior changes were indeed a side effect from this medication, he is improving daily. Whatever the outcome, it does not excuse Dr. U's obligation to discuss risks of a therapy he prescribed.
Please use our experience as an opportunity to make changes to your urgent care practice.
I encourage the vets in your practice to review literature on the use of this medication and it's risks. All vets should also be aware of the recommendation for treatment of neurotoxic side effects with Valium which has been shown to facilitate a quicker resolution of symptoms.
“Most canines who develop neurologic signs secondary to metronidazole administration have received weeks to months of therapy, but toxicity after short-term therapy at relatively low dosages (<60 mg/kg/day) has been reported.”
Diazepam as a Treatment for Metronidazole Toxicosis in Dogs: A Retrospective Study of 21 Cases Jason Evans, Donald Levesque, Kim Knowles, Randy Longshore, and Scott Plummer
J Vet Intern Med 2003;17:304–310
I would also encourage the urgent care vets to use a more conservative approach to treatment of uncomplicated diarrhea.
Most importantly, the vets in your practice should always discuss possible side effects and risks associated with a recommended therapy. The neurologic adverse effects of metronidazole are well documented in humans and companion animals. I can assure you if Dr. U. informed me that neurotoxicity and seizure were know (albeit rare) side effects, I would have opted for another treatment. I cannot overstate this point.
On two separate occasions we had depro med shot for our cat and both times she peed excessively while sleeping!! Although this is a miracle drug for allergies we now use steroid pills in low dose.
Metronidazole -Warning- We feel our dog was hyper sensitive to this drug. Became suddenly blind-
Investigate side effects before allowing your dog to have any drugs- We wonder why the vet doesn't provide a warning sheet.? Why doesn't the FDA require this with pet meds? Our loving 7 yr old welsh terrier- we believe had a toxic reaction to this drug- our vet had prescribed this- and gave her another dose of this as she was being released from an overnight stay-when we arrived home and placed her in the house- she immediately was having a bad reaction, going in circles under the table, along the wall-we picked her up-and held her she seemed to calm down, she then rested-So we thought she was o.k.- the next morning took her out to relieve herself-she acted like she was blind!!! . Now totally confused, wobbly, -took her for a 2nd opinion they confirmed that she was now blind- due to optic neuritis inflammation- and that we should see a specialist at the emergency clinic-Went to the ER clinic- they briefly looked at her-and the tech decided she wasn't serious enough-and that the earliest appt was the next day- by the time the specialists were able to see her-it was now 2 days later. This new clinic ran lots of blood work- for $1200.00- We found out she tested positive for Lymes Disease. As we began to investigate her conditions and symptoms on line- Under METRO we saw the warnings- which she had now developed-sudden blindness, Neurologic symptoms, head tilt, confusion. 1)Our first vet administered this on a empty stomach-suppose to be given with food- we now learned 2)Not to be given when Lymes disease is present-which we later found she had 3) she now also had new liver damage due to the steroids she was given too. We feel our dog was poisoned, and mis- diagnosed, in error. Looking back (too late)We wondered why she wasn't put on emergency iv's to flush this out of her system?
To make a long story short- we had to put our sweetheart to sleep.
After looking online-We also brought these printouts of warnings in to the emergency clinic-neuro Dr's attn-at our first appt- she dismissed all of our concerns- and said "Not Likely"
As a final note- We never had to take a pet for advanced care before-(and hope we never do again)-for we have lost faith in professional vet medicine. They instead insisted we restart this drug- and they wanted a liver biopsy, MRI and spinal tap-(that next night when our dog was crying out in pain (it was suggested she was actually not in pain??? perhaps instead- out of her mind- and not coherent?)We weren't going to allow her to be a lab rat-anymore- we knew we must take her back to our new local vet and put her down- For Ayre- No more sorrow no more pain- but we feel this was really botched up.
(Mpls., Mn) on 03/23/2016
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I had a dog experience the same symptoms on metronidazole also; with a heavy parasite load symptoms can get worse before they get better.
As to your question, yes you can give liquid fenbendazole for goats to dogs - it is the same product that dogs get, but you would use a different dose. Use an oral medication syringe and give 1 mL (equal to 1 cc or ¼ teaspoon) per each 5 lbs. of your dog's weight. Source: http://www.dreamydoodles.com/fenbendazole/
You can also try a nutritional remedy. Choose the remedy that you are most drawn to from this list. I have had good success with carrots, sunflower seeds and brown sugar all used together; echinacea and vitamin C combined, and used separately or combined kelp, oregano oil and olive leaf extract.
- Astragulus - 1 twice daily for 5 days
- Bilberry -1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Blueberries-1 tablespoon twice daily for 5 days
- Broccoli - 4 flowerets twice daily for 5 days - raw or slightly steamed
- Carrots - 2 baby raw organic carrots (or the equivalent in size) twice daily for 8 days
- Cat's Claw - 1 capsule twice daily for 2 days
- C&H brown sugar -1teaspoon twice daily for 8 days
- Celery - 1 raw stick of celery twice daily for 7days
- Dandelion Root - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Garlic - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Green Pepper half - dollar size piece twice daily for 2 days
- Kelp -1 capsule twice daily for 5 days.
- Lemon juice – ½ teaspoon twice daily for 5 days
- Licorice - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Milk Thistle - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Olive Leaf extract - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days.
- Oregano oil -1 pill or ¼ tsp twice daily for 5 days·
- Oregon Grape root - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Pau D'Arco- 1 capsule twice daily for 3 days
- Pumpkin seeds-1 tablespoon twice daily for 8 days
- Schizandra - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Spinach-1 tablespoon twice daily for 5 days
- Sunflower seeds-1 tablespoon twice daily for 8 days
- Turmeric - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
- Tuna fish - 1 can daily for 2days
- Yellow Dock - 1 capsule twice daily for 5 days
My Vet put my 19 lb dog on 250mgs of Metronidazole And 250mgs of Amoxicillin both 2x a day for diarrhea, after fecal exam said my little guy has Giardia and has now added Panacur(Fenbendazole) 4ml 1x a day. After Metro..dog became lethargic and dehydrated. I began subq 125ml of Lactate Ringer fluids and stopped the drugs. What can I give my dog to get rid of these worm parasites(giardia)?? Have inherited some 20-25lb beautiful westie-jack russel mixes that vet said all should be treated but x 10 I cant afford, uncle had heart of gold for these rescues but no insurance. Does anyone know if I can give liquid fenbenzole to all even if sold at feed store it says its for goats. Only ml listed no strength. I would need approx 5ml ea for 5 days along with Metronidazole and this scares me because of my dogs reaction. Better with fluids but need to treat giardia. Anyone have any ideas?
If so u can email me. Or post here. Again, thank you.
I have 4 dogs, 3 Dachshunds and 1 Chihuahua, I cook their food and mix my own flea and tick spray, the coughing is a scary thing and should be checked for heart problem if it ever happens again.
I do not trust the dog food companies and would never again use flea and tick drops, they poison our animals. I have had no problem with using my spray made from essential oils, dogs smell good too.