I have emphysema. I get tested every 6 months to check the oxygen in my lungs.. Before I inhaled 3% peroxide my test prove my COPD was getting worse... But this time, after inhaling peroxide for three weeks my lungs have greatly improved. My pulmonologist was impressed at the technician's report that he tested me on difficult state of the art machines that measure the capacity of air in each test and he indeed reported much better than the previous three years.
I didn't tell her what I was doing. I was afraid she would try and stop me... Joan
Industry, Pa Usa
We need to keep this alive. I just found this site. I used 35%food grade HP for the schedule and it gave me more energy and then stupid me slacked off. I need to go back to it. Anyway I have COPD and lately I can barely walk to the bathroom because I can't breathe from long time smoking, so I have been reading this. I tried Bill's method of putting 3%HP in a pump bottle undiluted. Then I put 3mg in my nebulizer and it's kinda strong so guess you can cut it with water. Now I'm using 35% food grade 1 drop per 2oz distilled water and then putting 3mg in nebulizer. Cheaper then using an oxygen tank I think and did give me instant relief so guess I'm going to do this about every two hrs and see how it goes then I probably will start the schedule back over which is 3 drops three x's a day then increasing one drop every day until you get to 25 drops then you taper back down to only using 5 drops per week
Someone asked about doses and how to administer Hydrogen Peroxide for COPD. I can only tell about my experience and cannot make any recommendations to anyone else. I use it primarily in am Sleep Apnea mask [PAP]. I use a solution strength of about 20%. That is 1/4 cup H2O2 to 1 cup of Distilled water. I breath it all night and if my lungs feel a little irritated I add another half cup water to make it about 15%.
I also use my nebulizer one or two times a day and there I use a 50% strength for about 3 min.
I believe I am killing all the bacteria, mold and fungus in my lungs as I don't have any more coughing or mucus since the first day I tried H2O2.
My Pulmonologist, Cardiologist, and my Gen Practitioner are all amazed at my improvement. None of them have ever heard of inhaling H2O2 before.
After living with COPD for several years my condition recently got worst to the point that I could barely manage simple chores like taking out the garbage. 2 wks ago my Pulmonary Doctor told me to use Oxygen 24/7 and to use an Albuterol inhaler twice a day and as needed for emergencies.
A few days later I had a serious incident from trying to climb some stairs,and almost passed out. The next day I had another incident from a minor exertion. I believe that an angel must have directed me to the earthclinic web site because I found the Hydrogen Peroxide treatment there. I am lucky enough to have a better system to administer the Hydrogen Peroxide than using asquirt bottle. I have a machine for my Sleep Apnea where I sleep with a mask that covers my nose and mouth and the machine provides positive air pressure to keep my wind pipe open. The machine also has a water tank of about 6 oz to keep the air moisturized.
I began my treatment with standard drug store 3% Hydrogen Peroxide, and dialuted it 50/50 with filtered water. I braethed that mixture for 8 hours that night and in the morning my lungs were clear. I didn't have the usual coughing fit to clear my lungs of mucus. The next night I used a 30% mixture instead of 50% and the results were just as good. I stopped using my hand held inhalers entierly. I again cut the dose down to 20% and still had the great results.
On the 10th day I awoke with so much energy that I changed the bed sheets, vacuumed the floor and cleaned the bath room. 2 weeks before this I could barely walk across the room.
The Peroxide treatment is a blessing to me.
Prince George, British Columbia
I was getting phumonia two or three times a year and that eventually turned into a disease called copd.Severe bronchitis so off to the doctor AGAIN and they sell me more and more drugs AGAIN puffers and machines with mists and nose sprays and no cure just slowly dying not much of a life until one day on the computer I see your hydrogen peroxide page and can't believe something like this thats been around for a hundred years or more could possible work but would try about anything at this time so started spraying 3% hydrogen peroxide in my mouth and within two days started spitting up stuff you only see in horror movies and within a week and a half I was a different person altogether I could breath again and my lungs were clear something I haven't seen for many years. I haven't felt this good in years thank-you soooo very much for this information and please keep up the fantastic work Your friend for life Joe
Hello all COPD sufferers.
A few months ago I started using moringa leaves and dandelion roots boiled in water and drank as a tea, twice a day. Twice a day as well as I was having the tea, I would have five apricot kernels. I also started eating the raw moringa leaves in sandwiches or in salads. Having suffered with COPD since diagnosed in 2006, I had reached the point where I would tire easily even while doing simple household chores. By the way I have never been a smoker. I have used all the medications including Spiriva, Symbicort, Prednisolone, Pulmicort, Antibiotics, Ventolin both the nebulising solution and inhaler.
I can now go to the gym and exercise and do all the household chores without tiring easily. I am also off of the Oxygen. I still stay away from milk (to avoid the buildup of mucus) and still occasionally take the Symbicort and Spiriva. As a matter of fact, they even last me longer than the regular month or two. I think this has been a Godsent remedy my daughter decided to give me one day. When I asked her what made her do this, she replied that she had been praying diligently asking God for a cure for me, having seen what I was going through.
Better But With Side Effects
Hi, I've been taking MSM for COPD which has helped enormously but after a month I've come out in blotches down both sides of my torso so have stopped taking it. I feel fine but it's been 2 weeks and the blotches are no better. Please help! Thanks, Sarah
I have been taking MSM for a while now and I have to say my asthma/COPD is much improved. However, MSM does contain sulphates which some individuals may be sensitive to and may cause some side effects. I have read from a very good source that this can be largely overcome by taking a supplementation of molybedenum(500mcg). Hope this helps.
Lake City, Florida
COPD: I have had an extremely wheezy sounding lungs. My GP brother suggests this is the result of smoking which I ceased some 25 years ago. I have been a firm believer in MSM and tried various manufacturers without the success that other cases demostrate. Most importantly is to buy therapeutic level of supplements from a reputable company. Recently I purchased MSM powder 99.9% pure form J---B Lab. Taking: MSM half a teaspoon twice a day.
One dessert spoon of organic coconut oil twice daily. 5 Drops of Vit D, 1,000 mg Vit C powder in a magnesium base. I am going to add Magnesium Citrate and Vit A and start Vit E again and see where we go from here. The results to date have been much less wheezing and loads more energy.
Dealing (and living) with COPD
First, let me clarify. I was a smoker for many years and was diagnosed with emphysema. I am stubborn when it comes to NOT accepting that I cannot fix what is broken, especially my body. After reading the article on Bill Munro and hydrogen peroxide inhalation, I decided I would try it. If it worked fore him, should work for me, right?
Well, I experienced some relief but not what I expected. I went though a period of less stress on breathing. It felt as tho the method was working.
Then after a month or so, I had a terrible infection to the point I thought it was the end. I quickly went for my albuterol because I know after the treatments my lungs open up. Then, after much site hopping looking for suggestions, I learned about L-Glutathione. I suggest you google it and read all you can because its one of the most important proteins in your body (cells). I made several appointments with a holistic Dr. but was never able to keep the appointments because of the distance from me and work schedules.
Anyway, I was able to find it on the net, ordered, and nebulize with one tea-spoon of distilled water per capsule L-Glutathione.
Miraculously, this treatment seemed to giving me the relief I was looking for. Then, I after 1 month, my lungs became infected again (exsaperations, I believe its called.) Anyway, I was fine then became sick again. So, what caused the infections?
I came to learn SUGAR (which is one of my weaknesses )is an infectant. I eat chocolate chip cookies like there's no tomorrow, bad habits are hard to stop. So, I made up my mind, no more sugar.. I must add I walk bout 5 miles a day vigorously. It helps tremendously. I also have a work out program which I use to fit my schedule. I need to do this to keep my mind off cigs. It helps as I haven't touched one in years .If you smoke, Stop. It's that simple, which is not simple, I might add. But I had to convince myself I would die way too soon if I didn't. Now, my next huge hurdle is Sugar....cross your fingers. Thanks for reading...it may help you.
First off, I LOVE EC website. I have read a lot of great ideas and researched them, but I do not know where to start. I have been drinking organic Apple Cider Vinegar for several weeks. A tsp several times a day for energy...none. I started using h202 inhalation and over did it. I think I loosened so much stuff from my lungs too fast and ended up in the hospital.
About a week ago I started drinking ginger root tea made with fresh grated ginger. I slept most of the night without leg pain. It has helped my lower back some. Like I said though, I have only drank it for about a week. I am praying with continued use it will help my back, hip, & leg pain.
I recently started cayenne, lemon juice w/3 oz tomatoe juice. I have not noticed any help with breathing from either one. I drink the tea at night. Two nights ago I woke up with my left lung hurting...a lot! It scared me at first but I thought "pain before gain" so I drank it again that night. I was awaken with both lungs in pain. I will continue unless I can't breath at all. But I was wondering with my ddd & copd if anyone has had both and what they did.
I should warn you that hydrogen peroxide is reactive and corrosive. If you combine it with other stuff it will break down the other stuff, rendering it useless or converting it into other stuff that is either useless or harmful that you don't want in your body. So only inhale H2O2 if you haven't inhaled other treatments in a few hours, and will not be inhaling other treatments in a few hours. AVOID all treatments containing metals (silver, magnesium, etc) for 24 hours if using H2O2.
If my breathing has been really bad for a while, H2O2 helped sometimes. But it seems that whatever "cleaning" effect it has, it had no more beneficial effects after the lungs were cleaned with it. Perhaps people who are frequently breathing dirty environments, pollution, smoke, or regularly getting lung infections can benefit from regular use of H2O2.
Otherwise a few days in a row for cleaning out the lungs every few weeks or months might be good enough for some in good, clean, safe, healthy environments.
People with air filters, AC, & relatively clean air around them may not see any improvement from regular H2O2 treatments.
You may not need to mix H2O2 with distilled water. Pour a teaspoon of H2O2 in a small glass of your tap water. If it doesn't bubble or foam like crazy, or only bubbles a little bit, there's not much bad in it to react to, so you can mix it with ordinary tap water.
I've read coffee and caffeine may be bad for COPD. It turns out it is only bad for some of the meds you may be taking.
My COPD was so bad that I couldn't walk across the room or go to the bathroom without desperately gasping for air. Getting laid off because of breathing problems, losing my health insurance, & being on a tight budget, I gave up coffee because I could no longer afford it, and they said it was bad for me.
After some research I had discovered that caffeine is very similar chemically to some meds used to treat COPD. I traced my steps back to the last time I could walk across a room without gasping for air. It was before I ran out of coffee and gave it up!
I desperately went to my cabinet and got out some caffeine tablets I had from the days of my night-shift work, and took a tablet. These were the bigger strong ones. I used to only use a half a tablet for night-work because they were so strong. But for this experiment I took a whole one.
A whole one was too much. Got the shakes, and an uneasy stomach. Breathing only improved slightly during the first hour. During the second hour, breathing was remarkably better. After the second hour I was breathing better than I had in months!
The speedy/hyper effects of the caffeine had diminished considerably after a couple hours, but the breathing was still improving. I continued to breathe much better for 5 hours after taking the caffeine, before I noticed my breathing was starting to get slightly worse again.
I continued experimenting with different doses at different times to see what worked best. Rather than buy more coffee, I continued on using the caffeine "stay awake" tablets to formulate an accurate dosage/treatment scheme.
This is what works for me these days. I take a normal cup of coffee in the morning with a small caffeine tablet. The tablets are about half the size of the original ones, so are much weaker. It turns out more is NOT better. So if you have one of those special or exotic coffee makers that deliver a very strong caffeinated beverage, you might want to skip the tablets entirely.
Caffeine is a drug and a stimulant. If you have too much it will de-sensitze you to it, causing you to need more with less of the beneficial effect. Also too much will make you hyper or nervous so you'll burn more oxygen and get an upset stomach. So be sensible. Use only what you need, using too much will only make things worse.
I usually don't need any more caffeine for at least 5 hours. At that time, around lunch time or hours after, another ordinary cup of coffee is enough. But if my breathing has gotten considerably worse, I may take only 1/2 of one of those small caffeine tablets with the coffee. Again, I must stress, if you are having a strong coffee or strong caffeinated beverage you may skip the tablet.
AVOID Red Bull or other caffeinated beverages and energy drinks that may have other stuff in them you don't want or may be bad for you and your other treatments!
Just before, during, or after dinner time (depending on my breathing) I may have another cup of coffee. Many days I can skip it because I'm still breathing good enough. Other days if it has gotten real bad, I'll take another half a caffeine tablet with the coffee.
Again, I must stress, more or too much is NOT better. Take only the amount of caffeine you need to breath a little better. Taking too much will de-sensitize you to it, and the treatment won't work or work well anymore. Don't be impatient. You may notice only a slight improvement after 20-60 minutes of taking caffeine. The significant improvement will happen after the first hour, and continue for many hours.
2-4 hours before bedtime I might have another cup of coffee if my breathing is getting bad again. That way the speedy effects are almost worn off by bedtime so I can sleep well. However if my breathing is so bad that I can't get ready for bed or sleep safely, I'll also take a half a caffeine tablet with the coffee, and decide to stay up a few hours later until my breathing is better.
I find usually if I had a caffeine tablet or a half of one with my coffee, the next time or the next 2 times I do not need a caffeine tablet with my coffee, or can go longer without coffee. The tablets I'm using now only have about as much caffeine as a cup of coffee. So a cup with a tablet is like having 2 coffees. A cup with a half a tablet is like having a large coffee.
So I'm only having the equivalent of 4-6 regular ordinary cups of coffee a day in caffeine, and unlike the coffee guzzlers at work or at most jobs, it's spread out through the whole day, not just squeezed into an 8 hour work shift.
Check with your doctor to make sure it's safe to drink coffee with the meds you're taking. However, if you're having very strong coffee, or taking caffeine tablets, you might want to stop taking the other meds for that day anyway & see how things go.
Caffeine can conflict with other meds... especially meds that are stimulants that have ingredients in them that end in the letters "ene" or "ine", or steroids. They do not mix well with coffee.
So if caffeine is so similar to other COPD meds chemically why aren't doctors recommending it, or telling you to avoid it? Doctors and drug companies won't make much money if they tell you ordinary cheap coffee is almost the same thing as the meds.
I've recently changed my coffee recipe for even better results. A slightly weaker coffee with a little chocolate, sugar, and milk is even better. They say avoid sugar because it burns O2. BS! Any energy you burn will require O2. Sugar is the quickest was to ingest energy without spending a lot of resources & O2 digesting and processing it. So unless you're already overweight, enjoy your sugar.
I use a weaker cup of instant coffee now. Only a single level teaspoon of cheap generic instant coffee in hot water. 2.5 teaspoons of sugar. 1 heaping teaspoon of Nesquick instant chocolate milk (also has a little caffeine & antioxidants in it), and 1 heaping teaspoon of dry milk. Don't worry if you're lactose intolerant, a teaspoon of low fat dry milk doesn't have enough lactose to bother most people. So you're getting a little protein, vitamin D, calcium, energy & other nutrients with every cup. It's also delicious.
The little bit of low fat dry milk won't generate extra mucus, or slimy spit. I've tried many different recipes over almost a year now. The chocolate instant coffee recipe seems to improve the breathing the best.
The second best was cinnamon (lots of antioxidant) instead of chocolate in the coffee. But I had to use 3 heaping teaspoons of sugar instead of 2.5 for the taste & energy boost I needed. Yum!
With the new chocolate recipe, on a good day, I only need a caffeine tablet with the coffee in the the morning and can avoid more tablets with the coffee for the rest of the day or until the evening. Some good days I may only have 2 cups!
But there are still occasionally bad days where I still need a half tablet with every cup (up to 6 cups a day) to get through a day even with the chocolate.
Grapefruit juice is another daily treatment I use. Again, it had chemicals similar to some meds you may be taking so check with your doctor first or discontinue the meds for the day to see how it works for you. It is safe to take grapefruit juice with caffeine though.
Grapefruit juice is also some pretty potent stuff, so more is not better, and too much can make things worse. Because I need to sleep at night, I usually take about 8 oz. of grapefruit juice after dinner or a couple hours before bedtime. That way I need very little or no caffeine to help me breathe & can sleep better.
Air conditioning! Humidity is the enemy for most of us.That's why it's better to take a bath than a shower too. Showers put too much humidity into the air.
Keep the air cool and dry. Humidity of 40% is ideal for COPD sufferers. Some people can't take it much drier than that, but others are fine down to 0%. Keep it cool. The molecules & oxygen in the air are closer together at cooler temperatures. So you're getting more O2 per breath when the air is cooler.
Blow up a balloon in the hot sun on a hot humid day. Then put the balloon in the fridge for an hour. See how much it shrank? There's just as much O2 in there as before but it's more concentrated so takes up less space. More O2 per breath!
Wear heavy sweatshirts, hoodies, and sweatpants & other warm stuff inside to keep warm, and crank up the AC. Keep it in the 60s F (16-21C) to breathe better. The cool dry are will also slow or stop the growth of mold & bacteria that can be growing in the walls, drains, under the toilet rim, litter box, & other places you can't see it. That stuff thrives on warm or humid damp air.
Don't let the air get stale and de-oxygenated though. Crack the windows open at least a couple times a day to refresh the air. Even in the freezing winter. Turn up the heat or sit in front of an electric heater while the air is being refreshed in winter. It won't take long to refresh the air a little so you can close them again.
Cooking consumes a lot of O2, expels CO, CO2, dirties up the air, and heats the place up, so it's the best time to crack open the kitchen window to let in fresh air during winters.
Can afford that? Keep a small safe room that is always air conditioned, air filtered, and regularly refreshed, to retreat to... like your bedroom. It's pretty cheap to keep 1 small room conditioned well to escape to. Put a TV, computer, and projects to do in there to pass the time with on bad breathing days.
Avoid fireplaces, wood stoves, campfires, and other open flames & fires. They're very, very, bad for COPD. I have to stay home for Christmas and Thanksgiving because family insists they must have logs burning on a fire even though I can't breathe. Ironically my Mom passed away with COPD, but they have forgotten she couldn't breathe near a wood fire either.
Don't like the nasty looks they give me when I start coughing up goo either, so I'm glad to stay home during the holidays anyway.
Air filters! Although your small 400-500 watt window AC has a filter in it that helps, it will only trap large particles or hair, & a few contaminants may condense and stick to the cold damp AC core to be drained to the outside (so yes, they will clean the air a little). Even if you can only afford a couple $40 walmart portable air filters for a small bedroom they do help a lot. H2O2 may not help much if you're already breathing relatively clean air most of the time or overnight when the dirt settles in the lungs the most.
The disposable filters inside can cost almost as much as the units, & may need to be replaced in 3 months. But there's ways around that. Open up the unit to get at the replaceable filters. Tape a thin, cheap, sheet of single ply generic toilet paper over the front of the paper filter assembly. The cheapest version of Scot toilet paper works best for me. Replace the paper every 1-2 months (if you have pets & kids around once a month). The replaceable filters in mine have lasted 19 months so far, and seems like I'll get them to last over 2 years.
I used to desperately gasp for air just walking across the room or going to the bathroom every day for months. With the caffeine, grapefruit juice, AC, & filters, I can get most of my household chores, cooking, and eating done almost every day good enough. I can walk 8 blocks to get groceries, & carry them home, taking a rest for a few minutes every block or so now.
I live on the second floor. I can go downstairs to check my mail every day without much problems now. No cure, but much better than before.
A few suggestions for COPD in response to Patti's post from 1/18/2014 regarding DMSO and Colloidal Silver
- MSM is made form DMSO, MSM taken with vit C build new cells in the body, should be taken every 12 hours to get even cell growth, add chicken collagen 2 for elastin, NAC, N-Acetyl Cysteine to help rebuild lungs.
- VIT C -1000 mg
- MSM -1000mg
- NAC -600mg
- chicken collagen 2, these items can be purchased from vitacost.com
chicken collagen 2 sold as hyaluronic acid item #nsi 3002115 you may also consider taking magnesium up to 1000mg per day, magnesium is very important most people are deficient, but too much can make you run for a bathroom,
The colloidal silver is good, it kills pathogens.
Dear Earth Clinic, I wanted to share my story with you, your readers as I have found your site very useful-
I smoked for over twenty years and in 2004 was diagnosed with COPD, I stopped smoking, changed my diet, and got on with life- In 2007 my health began a fairly steady decline, I would go to work and feel fatigued, constant headaches, loss of appetitie- I truly thought I was dying and hopeless, I found earth clinic and tried the H2O2 diluted in water, now for me this paticular cure did not seem to help, though I know it has for many- By 2009 I was in a terrible state, not only with the COPD but with the addition of Multiple Chemical Sensetivity, after exposure to my workplace I would get headaches so severe that I would sleep for 12 to 14 hours, I had intense leg muscle pain, sinus problems, fatigue... Oh it went on and on- I was fired from my job, even though I requested accomodations, I requested that air fresheners, perfumes be banned and that I would be notified when spraying pesticides, and the use of organic cleaning solutions... After three years working for a state funded non-profit, I was let go because they did not want to trample on other people's rights to be fragrant or become the perfume police- Now I am out of work and sick, had to apply for disability, because I could not find a non toxic work environment, I could not work outside as the cold took my breath away and walking any distance was out of the question- So after 3 bouts of Pnuemonia in two years, being placed on three different inhalers I still felt awful- I had to make a choice to die like this or to find something that would help- After much research and trial and error, realizing that every cure does not work for everyone (DON"T GIVE UP! ) I have found a good combination for my body- I take;
Vitamin C 1000 mg 1 tab 3x a day Super Cayenne 100,000 HU 1 tab 3x a day Full spectrum Mullein Leaf 500 mg 1tab 2x a day Ashwagandha 450 mg 2 caps 1x a day Swanson's Lung Essentials 2 caps 2x per day Calcium w/Mag and Vitamin D 1,000 mg 2 caps 2x per day Marshmallow Root 500 mg 1 cap 1x per day Capsicum w/ eucalyptus nasal spray 2x per day Tumeric 1/4 spoon dissolved in warm milk 3x per week Juiced garlic mixed with apple cider vinegar and honey a shot mixed with warm water 1x per day
I plan on adding MSM to this mix-
So it has been two weeks in and the difference is notable, I can breathe much easier, I can walk further, I can clean my house without having to sit down every five minutes, I feel I have more energy, return of appetite, better sleep, headaches are gone, sinus problems, pressure, running nose, are slight and I think I have less senstivity to chemical fragrances, I'm still testing this but will keep you updated- I am still taking my inhalers as prescribed, but may attempt to cut down usage and see how that goes... I hope this may serve to offer hope to someone else suffering, there is a way, you just have to find what works for you- Much Love and Many Blessings-
For the many sufferers from COPD:
1) Get a baseline spirometry test done by an MD,
2) have a CT-scan,
3) have a sputum culture and sensitivity testing for possible pathogens,
4) items #3 and #4 help to rule out more serious complications like bronchiectasis and colonized pseudomonas aeruganosa, which is nearly impossible to eradicate with antibiotics,
5) acetyl L-carnitine 1000 mg. 3x/day has been proven to loosen mucous secretions and helps to promote their elimination (an amino acid available in health food stores).
6) avoid 2nd hand tobacco smoke, campfire smoke and all other lung irritants.
7) Even the most serious infections may be helped by intermittent prescribed nebulized antibiotics (tobramycin and colistin) when necessary. 8) MSM is safe to use in fairly high daily dosages (start with 1 tsp. 3x/day and gradually increase to 1 tbsp 3x/day.
9) Unfortunately, very little research has been done in humans with DMSO for COPD, which should probably help some antibiotics to become effective against MDRAs (multiple drug resistant antibiotics).
10) Nebulized hypertonic saline has also been reported to be beneficial for loosening pulmonary secretions in COPD.
Silver Creek, Georgia, Usa