Top Natural Remedies for Fibromyalgia

Fluoride remedy? I'm wondering if anyone has tried diatomaceous earth for fibromyalgia? I stumbled upon some references to its ability to capture and bind fluoride and its use as a water filter. I consume food grade DE occassionally but I don't suffer from fibromyalgia. I'm not suggesting it but I'd like to know if anyone has tried it for this particular problem.

I've heard this works well for a lot of other stuff too.

The biggest problem in addressing fibromyalgia is that FMS doesn't have any unique symptom. The diagnostic tests are very subjective and crude. We may be talking about more than one group under that umbrella name.

Here is what one site says about fms

"The painful tissues involved are not accompanied by tissue inflammation."

Now the contradiction is that ...

"Costochondritis (a type of chest pain) is common in people with fibromyalgia."

The fms label has tried to separate the two when costochondritis is really part of the disease. this never made any sense.

Also FMS is associated with many other health conditions

Other Conditions/Illnesses Often Associated with Fibromyalgia

• Cancer
• Carpel tunnel syndrome
• Diabetes or hypoglycemia
• Gulf War syndrome
• HIV/AIDS
• Heavy metal toxicity
• Hidden food allergies
• Hypothyroidism or (occasionally) Hyperthyroidism
• Irritable bladder or Irritable bowel syndrome
• Lyme disease
• Menstrual cramps and PMS
• Mouth lesions/Canker sores
• Multiple Sclerosis
• Myofascial Pain Syndrome
• Osteoarthritis or Rheumatoid arthritis
• Raynaud's phenomenon
• Seasonal affective disorderSystemic lupuS
• Temperomandibular jaw pain (TMJ)
• Yeast, parasites and/or other intestinal infections
• Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

So one person talking about fibromyalgia may not necesssarily be the same physical sensations and symptoms as someone else feels. This greatly complicates finding a cure.

I think fibromyalgia involves one or more infections. the DE and gluten free may have addressed that but what subgroup is unknown. They really need to break down the groups into sub groups but I don't see that happening for a long time. I think it makes a lot of studies on FMS invalid since multiple conditions are thrown under one label. it makes it harder for someone with fms to find a cure. I think anyone who has FMS must think of the disease in a bigger box in their mind.

I really appreciate this information. I suffer with Chronic Fatique and will definitely be sharing this info with family and friends that also suffer from it. It is hard to get others to believe that flouride is a dangerous toxin, because it is so drilled into us through commercials and from our dentist that it is necessary for us to use it to prevent cavities. Many have the opinion that if the FDA says it's safe for us, then we should not worry. I stopped using flouride about a year ago, and am wondering after using it for 30 plus years, how long it takes to get the effects of it to go away. I am supplementing with calcium, magnesium and vitamin C and have seen some improvement, but there are days that I have no energy whatsover.

Thank you again for posting this information.

I cut out fluoride a long time ago, and I've been taking magnesium, calcium, and vitamin C for years before and after my fibromyalgia diagnosis. I don't think there's a connection for me, unless I just need to detox from the fluoride. I'm confused about this fluoride connection since mostly women have fibromyalgia and everyone drinks tap water with fluoride.

Ellen, from what I've read on this site alone, flouride will stay in the system unless you do something to get rid of it, its not enough to stop the intake. Also, I read there is a link to women taking a lot of flouride based antibiotics for urinary tract infection, which I guess they're more prone to. It's also been suggested that more men than once thought suffer with it as it becomes more widely known and diagnosed. Perhaps its not as straightforward as we'd like, there may be other triggers or factors as well perhaps...?

Ellen, I developed fms, cfs, mcs which has led to osteoperosis, blocked arteries etc etc its a real mess after glandular fever, barvon forest, ross river virus. What have you been doing to kill the virus? Ive done everything on here - garlic, colloidal silver, etc etc and yes, some antibiotics just to ruin my gut some more. Have you heard of Marshalls protocol - is that what you are suggesting?

I can't believe I've been combing this site for 2 years and never looked on this page. I've done all you are recommending except the dmsa. I've had edta IV and orally and every other detox - except ala - have it to take the way Bill recommends but Andy cutler takes it quite differently. Some say it's dangerous. Is anyone of the belief that this is a brain injury? Is anyone using Gupta successfully? It hasn't helped me which makes me think my fms must be something else.

A physician in Florida, Dr. Daniel Dantini, has an excellent protocol for fibromyalgia. He tests for latent viruses as well as food allergies. Treatment involves antivirals and diet changes. I found it very effective. His pioneering work despite criticism from the medical establishment should be noted. I believe he has important data on the link between fluoride and the resulting symptoms. Fluoride may impair the immune system, causing the latent viruses he is detecting to re-emerge. His IgG test for food allergies may even be diagnosing the body's immune reaction to the fluoride in fertilizers in those foods. Most patients do not tolerate soy and wheat, commonly fertilized with fluoride. Please include his important work on this site.

HELP, STILL DESPERATE trying all the recommendations on this site. Can anyone take a guess - on dark all symptoms x 10, its horrifying, pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, gasping for air, almost in a coma but ears ringing so loud and pain so great Im definately conscious - unfortunately. If I change time zones or countries it still does the same thing - on dark. Its been doing it for years. In summer in a daylight saving area not so bad, dark at nearly 9 pm. Take some sleeping pills and sleep it off but its winter here now, dark at 5 pm. I have fms, cfs, mcs, menopausal, asthma, allergies out of control, stomach is bad, my liver must be struggling. Please help, I cant bear it.

Debra - I liked the other ideas I have seen recommended to you and would like to add one more.

If your symptoms are related to when there is little sunlight it may be a vitamin D deficeincy. Please do a web search on "low vitamin D symptoms".

I would also look in to magnesium supplementation as well.

I hope you find the answer you need and feel better.

Best,
Carly

Hello again Debra; After writing to you earlier,and then realizing your dire need for pain relief, I also realized that potassium bicarbonate is usually not in everyones' pantry. But as so many people have here suggested, there are numerous foods and herbs that contain potassium and bicarbonate (precursors). Seaweeds such as dulse and kelp are excellent sources. Leafy greens juiced or simmered and drunk with their broth are great: beet greens, kale, collards, dandelion greens,etc. If tolerated by your body, soaked nuts such as almonds, tomato products(low sodium no additives), certain mushrooms, are high in potassium(first two),(one source indicated that cremini mushrooms are an excellent source of bicarbonate precursors). If you need help with digestion of these foods, try digestive enzymes such as pancreatin and bromelain. HCL is great if you have a need, but test first.(I've taken it for years but took too much in my supplements, and worsened my pain.) Essential oils are a great help. I use many and switch around.(now its peppermint oil,but ginger oregano,clove,etc. have been great. Most people dilute for internal and external use.) To source a supplier of supplements,you may want to look up those that Ted and others have mentioned. They are more pure and are sold in bulk. I hope for your relief, Connie.

thank you so much. You brought something to my attention. When they did the blood tests 4 yrs ago (when I got so allergic I started living in a car, just couldnt bear the increased pain inside) I had low sodium, high potassium, now I have the opposite, very high sodium, very low potassium. am sick sorry, talk soon.

thank you again, you've been helpful. Unable to eat any of these foods. Finally I've discovered myself - doctors just arent interested in anyone with a diagnosis of fms, cfs or mcs, you can almost see the eyes roll around in their head - I have very advanced calcified arteries for my age and am at extreme danger of having a heart attack or stroke - also ca lying in my tissues, with mg adding to indescribable fatigue. I'm sure you have an idea of what I'm talking about. Since I now have high sodium and low potassium I got some potassium but is potassium chloride.....not what I need is it? I go into meltdown with anything that has a smell so that is part of my problem with food, cant go anywhere near essential oils. Spent 000s of $ on supplements but apart from digestive enzymes could not tell any difference. I can only imagine as Ted suggests the magnesium stearate and fillers stop you from absorbing them. As you suggest quality?? Ill let you know if I discover anything useful.

Hello Debra; How I admire your survival instincts! It is phenomenal that you have made a home and dealt with such blows to your wellbeing while maintaining hope. I hope for success in trying to be helpful to you. Firstly; Cortisol's effects are many,one being that it raises hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Potassium chloride may be too acidic for you if you have enough chlorides and not enough bicarbonates, (buffers), to protect your tissues. Maybe green grasses could be more palatable for you. Wheatgrasses, barleygrasses, alfalfa, etc., whether fresh or dried,have a mild scent.(maybe capsules would be gentle.) There are many great foods that are high in potassium,(I'm still researching the bicarb. aspect);so if you have a liking for pumpkin, winter squash, avocadoes, apricots, etc., your instincts will help you find what is best. As for your calcification issues;there are many great suggestions here on EC. Maybe the ones that are more moderate would be a good beginning. (herbs:chanca piedra, alfalfa,etc.,rather than acids and compounds) Some supplements can be problematic at this time when you are having liver and or kidney problems.(I became hypercalcemic with moderate amounts of Vit.D, even with trials of different types. I also have a liver condition.) An imbalance in the liver can cause great pain. I've had good results with dandelion root, milk thistle, and I'm "testing" chanca piedra.(need to be more scientific) These herbs and potassium bicarbonate have been most helpful for my own situation.(I do try many foods,supplements,etc.) Licorice is a great herb in many ways, but it does have the side effect of "sodium retaining potassium wasting". People with primary or secondary adrenal insufficiency oftentimes have gonadal imbalances: excessive or insufficient production of sex hormones. This condition can be a challenge to treat because of all the glitches that can occur in their metabolism. I've tried herbs and transdermal creams for my hypogonadism,and had various results. Progesterone cream was helpful in moderate amounts because it raised my cortisol level. In high amounts, the side effects for me were edema,mildly high blood pressure, tiredness,(similar to low potassium). I also tried estrogen and testosterone,but could not metabolize them well. I do take 10mgs daily of DHEA with good results.(If I take any more,I get pounding heart palpitations and insomnia.) It may be that DHEA could be of benefit for you,Debra,as in this condition, there is that tendency towards low DHEA. Thank You all, Connie

Did you mean 20,000 IU of D2? I noticed you started with 50,000 units and this is the standard for D2, not D3. Personally I favor the D3, but I thought 5000 IU/day was the upper limit. Congrats on finding such an easy and cheap solution!

Hi Debra, just a little note.. You mentioned a strong reaction to smells and this can be an indication of celiacs.. Have you checked for this??

Can you please tell me the amounts or dosages you used for the ACV, Borax, etc? I tried to find the recipe here but could not find it. Thanks!

Could you tell me please the amount of each of these products you used for each serving? My sister suffers terribly from fibromyalgia and I am trying so hard to help her find a cure.

Tks, Mattie

This site is such a gem, I feel like I hit pay dirt, even though with god's grace I don't have any ailments I do know lots of people with chronic pain or fybromyalgia.

It would be really great if there was a way to get the answers to questions about the dosage, as I find that some times there is a whole heap of the same question on dosage and sadly no answer :-(

oil pulling sesame oil. after reading on your site about oil pulling March 2008; I tried it and it worked wonders for my fibromyalgia pain. I used the recommened amount 2 tblsp; swissed it around in my mouth for 15 minutes, spit it out, brushed my teeth and drank two glasses of water. I have tmj--i did not think i would be able to do this for 15 minutes due to jaw pain but after 2 1/2 minutes my jaw pain left. The stiffness, pain and soreness in my body was gone before the 15 minutes was up. I have been suffering from fibromyalgia since 1991 and this is the only thing I have tried that gave me immediately relief. Today I sent my sister-in-law who lives in Louisiana a large bottle of sesame oil. Bless you and I thank you and your readers so much.

BINGO! FMS/CFS suffer here... I can't take narcotic pain meds, so I've been doing a lot of research on natural ways to cope and improve the symptoms. Regarding dietary changes, I have been watching some documentaries regarding the effects of chemicals in our food chain. They support what I've been suspicious of for some time. I'm also learning from posts like yours about other toxic chemicals like aluminum, plastics, and fluoride. As a result of finding this site, I am on my 5th. Day of using ACV, eliminating all artificial sweeteners and most sugar out of my diet as well as MSG. I'm drinking distilled water and eating more healthfully. My question is... I have a filtered water pitcher and didn't know if this is a safe alternative to tap water, so I'm drinking distilled water until I find out for sure. While at the store yesterday, I read the box from a filter for my pitcher and it said it delivers a safe level of fluoride for health. I bought the filter, but won't use it until I find out if it's safe. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thank you! Cindy

Cindy, I have been using only distilled water for drinking( with the only exceptions being occasional fruit or vegetable juices) over 15 years now. In my opinion there are way too many differemt substances that are in the ground water of our planet to ever think that filtering will remove them. Only the distillation process completely eliminates a vast number of them. Again, in my opinion filtering is a cosmetic treatment and is promoted mainly based on taste, appearance and a few pollutants only. There are some that suggest distilled water will leach out minerals from your body but again I feel that it is great if distilled water leaches out materials then it could also possibly leach out other sourced toxins from the body. For those that don't feel they already ingest enough good and necessary amounts of minerals they can add a small quantity of sea salt to the containers of distilled water to provide safe trace minerals. Regards

From the information I have read, no level of fluoride is safe for the health. As far as I know, fluoridation has been forbidden for many years here in Europe. Still, my daughters, born in Holland after that were prescribed fluoride tablets by their pediatrician for many years. Nowadays I avoid anything which contains fluoride, especially toothpaste but even the floss contains fluoride and salt at well. One has to read all the labels! Water here in France seems to be quite bad (and expensive too! ) so we have a Brita filter on the tap but when we buy our own house we want to have a well and maybe have a system to filtrate it and use only that water.

Fluoride is found naturally in the water in many places in the world. I know a family of 5 children who were all conceived and grew to adulthood in an area where there is a lot of fluoride in the water. They all had wonderful teeth and bones, no cavities. Three of them lived into their 90s, one over 100, and the fifth one to age 79 even tho having suffered rheumatic fever in her teens. People were having fibro, although not called that, long before fluoride was added to drinking water. I think we need to look elsewhere for our problems.

The problem with flouride is that the ratio too much / not enough is small. To paraphrase from J. D. Wallach's books Rare Earths and Let's Play Doctor, In 1972 Schwartz proved that flouride was an essential mineral. 1.5 mg/day is needed but the average dayly intake by Americans is 4.4 mg. Skeletal reserves in an addult man reach 2.6 grams.

Dark chocolate is a good source of copper. Maybe you were short of copper?

One of the project leaders at my job kept a box of Hershey's dark chocolate bars in his drawer and ate one every day after lunch. I did the same thing. I still buy them today.

Sounds like all of you should be checked for food allergies, both IgE (immediate reaction) and IgG (delayed reaction/hidden).

Blood testing should give you a starting point. If positive, eliminate the offending foods (entirely) for 7 days. Both types of allergies were causing my fibromyalgia symptoms and chronic fatigue, as well as an array of other symptoms. When I follow a strict diet, my symptoms are gone. On a rotation diet, my symptoms are very, very minimal. The top allergens are: wheat, soy, milk, egg, corn and nuts

Just finished reading case history questionaires tonight and I have a suggestion for whoever is doing this. I suggest he/she include another question re medications taken - now and before getting sick, as many people don't think of medicine as being chemicals or toxins - They might even want to read the article on fluoride toxicity by the person who developed fibromyalgia after two months of ciprofloxacin following a possible exposure to anthrax powder and inquire about specific medications such as ciprofoxacin and the antidepressants that contain fluoride (Fen-phen) in them -especially if he/she notes a more rapid decline in health in those taking antidepressants - I wonder if the tremors & brain fog they complain of might be helped by taking a good stress tab with meal time and bedtime. I usually tell people this timing because lots of people skip one or more meals - so I always tell them to take them when normal people eat their 3 meals a day whether they eat then or not

- Another question that might be useful in trying to pinpoint causes, any vaccines they were given prior to onset/or prior to overseas travel (I noticed that on fellow said his started after a trip to Korea -no military- This could indicate trouble starting from vaccines given prior to the trip. I especially suspect this since I recall reading an article by a female doctor with the VA system who made a darned good case for blaming the lupus-like symptoms of the Gulf Storm veterans on the mercury preservative in the injections they were given before leaving the states. Her theory was based on a study of blood work from many of those veterans after they developed the problem during the time that the VA system was denying that there was a syndrome with a cause.

A funny thing about that I was talking to a coworker at the VA where I worked one night who was one of those Gulf Storm vets about this doctors theory. He also expressed doubt that such a syndrome existed and told me that he was over there in the midst and didn't develop the syndrome. He later told me that he had refused to take the injections and took oral medications instead. I couldn't help laughing when I told him that he was the exception that proved her theory to be plausible.

I also noticed that many symptoms in lupus, fibromyalgia, fluoride/MSG/aspartame toxicity are the same, so I think they are going to all be involved. I remember being told in Family Nurse Practitioner pharmacology course that all antibiotics are toxic- the idea being to give enough poison to kill the causative organism without killing its host (patient).

I appreciate Joyce's suggestions and feedback, even if I don't agree with them. First of all, I don't think there's much evidence to support a conclusion that mercury is a cause of fibromyalgia. I've read theories on that subject, including how it might be able to explain gulf war syndrome, but (at least in my opinion) it is a very weak theory and one usually tossed about either by those that don't know a lot about fibromyalgia, or those that don't really care much about the statistics of fibromyalgia. After all, how does mercury fit with a condition that exploded out of nowhere in the early 1980's? How does it relate to a condition that effects 95% women to only 5% men? And, perhaps mostly notably, why is it almost unheard of for children and newborns (who are known to be particularly sensitive to mercury and other toxins) to develop fibromyalgia? Children would be developing FMS en masse if mercury were really a cause of FMS (assuming mercury based vaccines were a major source of exposure, as has been discussed in the autism debate). Mercury maybe a plausible theory on autism (although not necessarily one I believe in anymore), but not for fibromyalgia.

Besides that, to anyone that says that the symptoms of mercury exposure are the same as fibormyalgia, I say....prove it!! Show me what the leading authorities in the world wrote of the symptoms of chronic mercury toxicity prior to the emergence of fibromyalgia. Show me that....explain how the statistics fit the primary source of mercury exposure.....explain what changed in the early 1980's with respect to mercury exposure....explain why children almost never develop FMS....and then, I'll be more than happy to listen. By the way, I believe MSG & aspartame have been linked to Lupus and MS, but not to fibromyalgia. Many of those with FMS, including myself, are very sensitive to those kinds of excitotoxins, but the symptoms are not the same. The symptoms are very much more in-line with MS. I don't think there's any question in my mind that excitotoxins are linked to MS, the only question really is can excitotoxins cause MS without fluoride exposure? I believe Russell Blaylock joined the fluoride community, in part, to answer that very question. A question I don't think we really know the answer to yet. As for adding a question regarding medications taken to the FMS Questionnaire.....I would just ask, what is the point of such a question? We already know based on what we know of fluoride toxicity that there is often a delay between when exposure occurs and when major symptoms begin (as is the case regarding the chronic toxicity of many major toxins). We also know that fluoride is cumulative in nature, so for many people, there may be more than one major source of exposure that triggered the related symptoms. This means that a lot of people won't be able to recognize the point of exposure that caused fibromyalgia. Adding such a specific question only serves to highlight that fact. From what we've seen, respondents to the questionnaire already use the Theories question to give us their thoughts on potential causes, be it, medications or otherwise. I tend to think that's the way to go, but that's just my opinion.

Finally, I think most of those suffering with fibromyalgia would probably find the following statement of Joyce's a little offensive..."I wonder if the tremors & brain fog they complain of might be helped by taking a good stress tab with meal time and bedtime." The problem isn't that it's wrong, is just that it sounds like what someone who doesn't really understand fibromyalgia might say. The brain fog associated with FMS is often described in it's most severe forms as if the person is developing dementia, or Alzheimer's. Can you imagine telling someone with dementia that they should just take a stress tab? And what of all the other symptoms?

In 1816 Dr. William Balfour, surgeon at the University of Edinburgh, gave the first full description of fibromyalgia. Can you prove that fibromyalgia emerged in the 1980's? It was in 1976 that it was given its name. Unfortunately, medical science moves so slowly that many diseases that have existed for ages are given names and recognized in the 20th century, especially when previously it was considered to be psychosomatic, which slowed down the progress of its study. If you could prove these statistics, I would be ever so happy, as I would know the cause of my suffering, but I think you should provide more data or tell us where you got yours. I've been avoiding fluoride for years and still have fibromyalgia. Thanks for your research.

Ellen:
Have you looked into the possibility that exposure to mold and its neurotoxins sometime in your past may be the root cause?

Did you ever work in a old musty damp workplace?
Or a friend's house perhaps?

Most buildings built or renovated going back to the 1970's energy crisis were basically sealed, leading to SBS Sick Building Syndrome which has been traced by experts to not just noxious outgassing of manmade materials, but to acres of molds living in the duct systems. In a skyscraper, there's an unbelievable square footage for it to cling to, and that doesn't even count damp dark corners in the rooms, etc. Fibromyalgia has so many 'signatures' that it is commonly misdiagnosed by the medicos as CFS (another vaguely defined illness), SBS, psychosomatic, or whatever. There is a world expert in all this in the USA, and he as an active medical practice around this. He is Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker in Maryland. He has several websites, each very thorough, and now has another new book SURVIVING MOLD just out with his research updated from 2005. He has an entire medical treatment protocol based on removing the circulating neurotoxins which some people cannot break down and eliminate, even after exposure to the molds is eliminated. Check it out please!

Tom, thank you for your advice! I used to live in a very moldy house in a rainy area, and I felt very sick at the time. I'm not sure if that's when my problems started, but it might be. Al is right, turmeric helps! I make a warm ayurvedic drink with lactose free milk (if you can tolerate that), rice milk, turmeric, ground black pepper, honey, and cinnamon. It helps. Hypnotherapy combined with reiki (in the same session) has helped me deal with the pain a LOT and is very powerful. It can address the root of pain if there is an emotional component as well. The fluoride theory is intriguing and convincing but I'm not entirely convinced, since there seem to be holes in that logic, for instance, fibro was around way before fluoridation of tap water and cipro. Furthermore, is it really mostly women who take cipro? Everyone drinks tap water, too.. So why is it 95% of women who have fibro?

I have given 3 of my clients an Egdar Cayce Health evaluation for the treatment of Fybromalgia and they all benefited from it. It is $50 and you can print it off your computer and send it the the A. R. E. Here is the link to the evaluation: http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/spa/pdf/evaluation.pdf

You can search the internet for the A. R. E. And Edgar Cayce.

It was around a long time before the 80's. It use to be named muscular rheumatism.

Interestingly as someone said Fibromyalgia used to be called Muscular Rheumatism. I found this information where it says that it is helped by Magnesium and the best way to get it into the body is by bathing in Epson Salts.

http://www.iodine4health.com/special/nutrients/magnesium/epsom_salt_magnesium.htm

The more I question the fluoride connection, the less sense it makes. Perhaps there is a link for some, but the evidence is not strong in my opinion. I've known about fluoride for years and steered clear of it. I've done detoxes for fluoride. It hasn't done anything for my fibromyalgia. In fact, I started avoiding it aggressively long before I even got fibromyalgia.

The main thing that has helped me more than anything is attacking the biofilms that bacteria and candida form in the body. There is so much medical literature out there linking hidden infections to many chronic and poorly understood diseases, like MS, fibromyalgia, CFS, etc. I study biofilms in a biophysics research lab and after some point even bleach can't kill them. Antibiotics and antifungals can't do anything to permanently rid the body of an infection if the bacteria have formed a biofilm, and biofilms also allow bacteria and yeasts to evade detection by the body's immune system. One day I will put the time to write a detailed article, but until then, research it. There's a lot out there. I use EDTA, enzymes (serrapeptase, nattokinase, protease etc. ), Betaine HCl HCl (that's lowercase L) Activator, and some antimicrobials like garlic, neem, etc. I am currently having a die off reaction. Once I see more results and write a coherent article I will post it.

Hi Sarah, Thank you for your Post. I believe also that the biofilms are responsible for the bacterial resistance. NAC seems to help against biofilms. Aspirin also helps against candida biofilms.

Thank you Ted for opening my eyes to PH balancing. I have fibromyalgia and cfids. My story began about 12 years ago with stomach problems, h pylori, acid problems, depression, anxiety; and the list goes on and on. over the years the condition got progressivly worse with symptoms such as numbness and tingling in arms hands feet,pain everywhere,headaches,insommnia,visual disturbances,hair loss. I began using the formulas in your posts and have found them to be helpful. especially baking soda and baking soda with lemon and lime,magnesium citrate. I have also been trying thr borax water as well and am hopeful this will add more healing power. I also have found a good Dr. who is helping too,she started me on compounded T3 therapy and antivirals because I have epstein barr syndrome. Thank you again for helping me and so many others with no hope. Patti from Canton

Thank you Ted for your reply. I will try the hydrogen peroxide with the baking soda for energy. Lately I have had a setback in my recovery by the way of an increase in pain everywhere. Am really trying hard to keep a positive attitude an thank all on EC for all the great remedies. I tested positive for EBV, Negative for mycoplasma, neg for lyme, and had antibodies for cpn. I also have a small tumor on my anterior pituitary gland, but the Dr. doesn't think my illness has any relation to it. Thanks again for your feedback. Will not ever give up.

How can I tell if borax is food grade? The one in all the stores, walmart, kroger, target... is 20 mule team Borax, is this the correct one?

That is what we use!

Thank You!!! I have been diagnosed with Fibro, (which my md and myself believe is bs) chronic pain, and CFS. I believe I've tried every med possible and they all have a side effect of more "Fatigue" finally am down to adderrall and provigil, and it helps but I am still exhausted by mid afternoon. Ready to be off all meds!

Hi, what type of borax is it the powder you can buy at a chemist? I'm in NZ

I doubt it is fluoride in my case, I distill my own water and use very little fluoride.

And am worse now than before when I drank tap water all of the time, full of fluoride.

I just mixed some ACV and water and stirred in 1/2 tsp. aluminum-free baking soda. It's giving me a bad headache and tastes just like beer. I
HATE beer. Has anyone else noticed this?

Dear Lou,

I had to smile. I think it tastes just like beer, too! Now I have not had a beer in decades but that is what I think when I have it. My husband says it does NOT taste like beer. :)

However it it does not give me a headache. Sorry it gave one to you.

Mama to Many~

That headache could be a herxheimer reaction, give it a week or so. kw

That headache could be a herxheimer reaction, give it a week or so. kw

While visiting earthclinic's site to see what I could fine to help my anxiety, I saw information about 5HTP as another source to use for anxiety. So I wanted to find out more information about this little pill, because it was a toss up between the two (Rhodiola) I decided to use the Rhodiola which worked out perfect. I then did some more research on 5HTP to see what other benefits it was good for, and I found out that it was recommeded for Fibromyalgia. Such as sleepless nights, waking up 4-5 times in the night, the headaches, the pain in the joints, stiffness upon waking up in morning, I felt like the tin man on the wizard of oz. I also had other related problesm. I have been taking it now for five months and I am a happier person, more energetic, not as moody as before, mine is more clear and well the list goes on, and I don't wake up stiff like before; so getting more rest has made me more alert.

In addition, I have a question for anyone out there to answer if possible. Since I take Rhodiola and 5HTP together I wanted to know if this harmful since both are a mood relaxing vitamin. I take the one for anxiety the other for the Fibroymyalgia. In addition, after reading more information about 5HTP and some side affects I was wondering if I should stop using it for awhile. If anyone has an answer please respond. I want to say though that since I have been using it I have had no side affects that were bad only good ones.

Much like Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10), the herb Rhodiola, appears to have the ability to enhance cellular energy production. Given that a decline in ATP production is known to be associated with fibromyalgia and fluoride poisoning, Rhodiola might be worth trying. Dr. St. Amand, the champion of the guaifenesin protocol, advocates CoQ10. Since CoQ10 is found within the body naturally that's certainly the safest choice. However, it may be that Rhodiola is also of some help as well.

5HTP, the precursor to serotonin, claims to help elevate mood, promote deep sleep, increase mental function, and normalize digestion. Such claims may well be true, but I would still highly encourage people to eliminate fluoride from their diet first instead, since that will go a long way toward doing the same thing.

I had muscle cramps leading to pain and headaches for years. Recently my doctor prescribed tyroxine. Ever since my muscle cramps are 98% gone. I had some cramps every 30-40 days only. They were less severe and went away easily with advil.

I am taking Sam-E for Fibromyalgia. I have experienced amazing results for reducing flare-ups and increasing length of time between flare-ups. Amazing. Also tried your cayenne pepper for sore throat today with superb results.

What is 5HTP? My grandmother suffers from Fibromyalgia, and I hate it. If there is something helpful, I would really like to know more. Please respond ASAp. Lily.

I have fibro and tried 5 htp, a dose of about 200 mg per night. To help with relaxation and sleep. I found the first day it helped, and the day after it made me feel less pain and more relaxed. But if I took it for two or three days in a row, I would feel rough/worse the second and third day.

Dear Anonymous from Australia, re: fibromalgia remedy ....you didnt say how long to take this remedy. Also you say 5 tablespoons each meal or 5 tablespoons during the whole day?Can you please let me know...please? Thank you very much.

To Sherrine in FL. I started drinking acv a year ago different ways and had a hard time with it but it was worth it to get rid of the inflamation in my low back. I suffer from spinal stenosis and scoliosis. The best way I have found to drink acv is to put about 1 or 2 ozs. in a glass of vegetable juice. It makes it easier to drink for me.

I am so very pleased to have been able to find this website. It has really helped me a great deal!