Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM for Knee Pain
There are many supplements giving all those three substances with one capsule. I have chondromalacia patella in my right knee and in the past I had many crisis of pain for days per year to the extend that sometimes I limped badly during deterioration. If I did a deep squat in order to work for some time, then most probably the next day my right knee would hurt. All this are past, no more pain any more, but you have to be patient. The first results are after six months in order for the joints to rebuilt.
Gave it to my mother who has osteoarthritis in her left knee and she had the same good results after six months of supplementing. "Doctor's Best" is a good and cheap brand, but there are other good ones too.
I learned about this supplement in the following site which many people (about 132 of total 154) report very good results in joints problems. You can translate the following from Greek with Google translator:
HI U OLE PATOOTS, ORH here and my bad knee is acting up so I did an ozone shot in it today. Started that some 14 years ago when my Orthopedic doc said I have to have a new metal knee... you are bone on bone. What these Godly people don't tell you is that ozone will regenerate new joint cartilage. When I get a certain pain about every 3 or 4 years, I go get an ozone shot. This one cost me $150. Thus, I got lots of Meigs County roadside beer cans to pick-up. We discussed Ozone dentist in Tn. He said there are now two and that works when most root canals end up with women having breast cancer if it is certain teeth. He said you can avoid that if you just pull the tooth and implant a new tooth or treat the infection with ozone. Ozone gas gets everywhere. Each tooth goes to a certain meridian and effects different parts of the body. Our old doctors knew this and saved our ancestors lots of grief. I get a kick our some of our clever posters that have the answer for all ails. I only have the answer to the ones that got me out of the ditch.====ORH====
For knee pain I use DMS0 diluted from 99.9 percent down to 70 % using distilled water. I put the DMSO into a small spray bottle and put arnica spray or gel on first and then spray my knees and around the sides a bit down my leg.
Don't put on colored clothing right away as the DMS0 takes everything you put on the skin and sucks it into the tissue and into deeper parts of the body. Dyes on the pants could come off and get on your wet skin and the DMSO will take that into the tissues also.
Just sit around and let it get absorbed. Works wonders!! I can walk without any pain.
I used to have chronic knee pain until I was led to purchase and use colloidal gold. The 2 droppers under the tongue had this knee pain gone within a couple of weeks! It's amazing. Also took away this numbness I use to get in my left shoulder that stretched down my arm. It's completely gone.
Castor Oil Packs, Flaxseed Oil
Regarding knee-joint pain remedies specifically, I can attest to the efficacy of cold-pressed Castor-oil packs, wrapped in saran-wrap and followed by an Ace bandage or neoprene knee-brace. Use overnight for a minimum of four nights and my nagging ache disappeared. I now take Flaxseed oil capsules which are seemingly, keeping my knee free of daily pain.
Comfrey Oil, ACV
I also want to add that I'm taking borax for my RA. 1 large pinch 4x's daily in water. It's been 2 weeks and I think it might be helping. Not sure bc I have so many areas that are painful (ie hands, ankles, knee, arms, and shoulders).
For my RA pain, I'm taking 1/16 tsp of pure powder aspirin (bought at a feed store for horses) and then 1/16 tsp of lysine with 1/8 tsp of chlorophyll and 2000 mg of vit c powder with bioflavonoids in my yogurt. I only take this once in the morning as it lasts me all day as a pain reliever.
I also have h.pylori that I'm dealing with which I take 1 tsp black seed oil 2x's day and 15 drops of oregano 2x's day with black walnut wormwood and clove extract from NOW. I think the oregano is working bc I'm having less burping, gas, and nausea. I'm also drinking cabbage juice. Going to try this for 2 weeks and see how I feel. Next, I will add turpentine and dgl and mastic gum to see if that works. So many Natural remedies out there it's difficult to know what to try.
Thanks for the info.
Comfrey Oil, ACV
I think this is good. I will add that you might want to go watch John Bergman on youtube before surgery, you might change your mind. He had knee surgeries and was in a wheelchair. He teaches doctors on spine health. I learned a lot. Eric Berg on youtube could probably help get the pylori under control. I grow comfrey. You might read up on Dr. Batmanghelidj to get your minerals in balance with hydration so you can get peaceful again.RA is autoimmune and water minerals balance is the cause of most autoimmune issues. You are doing lots of good things and borax is a mineral to put calcium in the correct place in the body. Study a lot before you try it, it is part of the cure for RA.
Comfrey Oil, ACV
I've been suffering from meniscus tear for about 6 months. It started with me having serious digestion issues causing serious weight loss which reduced my energy and increased my pain from RA. I slept all day and everything I ate caused me severe joint pain. I went from being crazy active to bedridden in such a short period. This caused me to lose strength bc I couldn't exercise anymore. When I started feeling better but still extremely underweight, I would try to exercise slowly on my elliptical. This caused my knee pain which worsened to the point from walking to wheelchair bound.
I now suffer from a locked knee that's 40% angle and can't straighten my knee. I also didn't have health insurance so seeing a doctor was very expensive. The doctors I saw which I paid out of my pocket all wanted to give me a cortisone shot. I was too scared to try it bc of my digestion issues. I also was too scared to take Alleve bc of my digestion issues. So I just suffered pain every day all day. I tried leech therapy twice which alleviated my pain but the 3rd time, it worsened.
Finally, after 4 months of getting no sleep from my knee pain, I remembered reading about comfrey oil. Native Americans call it "boneknit" bc it heals broken bones and torn tendons. It also relieves pain and inflammation. I bought the oil and put liberally on a cloth and wrapped it around my knee and placed a heating pad on it for 30 minutes. I did this once in am and once before bed.
I also took 2 cups of apple cider vinegar baths with the hottest water I could handle.
Within 4 days, my knee pain was 95% gone and swelling down 60 -70%. I think the combo of both Apple Cider Vinegar bath and comfrey oil with heat healed some of the tear and inflammation. I'm still suffering from my tear and my knee is still swollen but I can finally see my knee cap.
Now have health insurance and can finally get surgery for it. If I had used this oil immediately after my injury, I think I would be walking and not wheelchair bound.
Btw my digestion finally improved after 8 months of being 15 lbs underweight. (110 to 92). I'm petite so this was very hard on me. My body was starving itself bc my food just wouldn't digest. Anyway, a Russian doctor told me to try Himalayan salt twice a day 1st thing am and before bed. He said to start off small and work your way up. Fortunately, I didn't have high blood pressure issues so I started with 1/4 tsp in warm water twice daily.
Within 4 to 5 days I started gaining weight. Within 2 months, I'm finally 106lbs and my food is digesting.
I have h.pylori and am still working on getting rid of it, but at least I'm gaining weight now and finally have energy and my RA pain is more bearable. I do take natural supps for my RA: turmeric, acv, lemon juice, moringa, raw honey. So that is helping the joint pain. I've seen several Dr for my meniscus tear and hopefully I will get my surgery in a few weeks and get out of this wheel chair. I hope this helps.
I started taking high doses of Vitamin C to help ward off a cold virus. For the past several weeks I took 5-10 grams of Vitamin C. Then I noticed my knee pain disappeared.
I am a runner/cross country skier who has virtually stopped these activities due to pain in my right knee.
For 7 years I have tried glucosamine, calcium, MSM, and NSAIDs. I don't like taking NSAIDS. However, the other remedies did not relieve the pain and inflammation. Therefore, I have been tolerating the pain and have discontinued using NSAIDS.
I was very surprised to find that the Vitamin C use correlated with complete pain relief and reduction of inflammation. So I stopped the C for a week and the pain returned. I have resumed the C and the pain is gone again.
I am 62 yrs young and very active but I guess I over did it and strain my right knee. Terrible pain and swelling and tried ice and wrapping my knee but it didn't help at all. I tried arnica gel, there's also arnica cream and amazing how much better my knee is within 2 days. I urge anyone with knee pain or anywhere else to use arnica topically. I know you can get the pellets but I don't know if it works as well as the cream. Pain is so depressing. Wish all of you the best and thanks EC for your site.
Thank you so much for replying to my post so quickly. I found your suggestions interesting and intriguing, so much so that I researched the Bio Electro Magnetic Energy machine (Bemer) on line, and found it was very expensive. In your father's case it is working very well, and if it could be guaranteed to do the same for me then I might be tempted to invest in one, but I daren't risk spending all that money and not have good results. And if I were to use one it would have to be simple to set up and use. I also researched whether there were any therapists in my area who use the machine and I could have one or two sessions with them just to try it out. But there was only one I could find and they were at the other end of the country!
Regarding the five simple Tibetan exercises. I remember doing these when I was in my fifties, and thought them very effective. Bruce Forsythe, the TV personality, promoted them as a means of staying young, and they worked for him because he always appeared to have colossal energy. However, bearing in mind that I'm eighty, I don't think I would be able to manage some of the positions. Nowadays once I'm on the floor I have trouble getting up again! Grrr … I hate old age! I do take Serrapeptase, along with other vitamins, and sometimes have periods when I eat natto beans.
Once again, Anon, thank you once again for taking the trouble to write. I really do appreciate it. And if you think of anything else that might help I will be pleased to hear what you have to say.
At a recent visit to Costco they had a vibration machine. I had my 91 year old father with me and we tried it out. My father could not tolerate it for the trial session and asked the representative to end his session early. Before you invest in one of these you should try one out first. The Power Plate one may be at a local gym near you, or you could wait for your nearest Costco to have their brand visit (Zaaz).
It would be listed on their web site. I am wondering if a joint replacement may be considered a contraindication for using a vibration plate? I suggest you look into Bio Electro Magnetic Energy Regulation (Bemer). I bought one of these for my father 10 to 12 weeks ago. He was having a lot of discomfort in his knees and hips, also having trouble getting around, so I was hoping to keep him in his own home a little longer. He uses it several times each day and has improved greatly. He is no longer having any pain in his knees or hips! You may find somewhere local to you where you can try it out or possibly rent one. Look into “The Five Tibetans”. These are gentle exercises and one of them helps very much with balance. I once heard author Joan Vernikos interviewed. She wrote the book, Sitting Kills, Moving Heals. She made the suggestion to stand up for two minutes every half hour (or something like that) to improve strength. Lastly, in your supplement trials have you tried serrapeptase for pain relief? Also, I recently saw one at Vitamin Shoppe that looks pretty impressive that has serrapeptase, nattokinase, lipase, protease, amla, papain, bromelain, rutin, and coenzyme q10 all together in one formula. The idea is to take these away from food on an empty stomach so they can travel throughout your body and break down fibrin, etc. Age is a state of mind and you sound pretty young to me!
Approximately two years ago I had a knee replacement, and I'm never without discomfort in that area, but can manage to walk three miles or so. Also I have stiffness in my legs and hips after sitting for any length of time, and need to heave myself up to a standing position. Going up and down stairs/steps is also difficult as I do have balance problems caused by two episodes of labyrinthitis a few years back, and have to hold onto rails/banisters. I've taken countless supplements to remedy these issues but speaking truly nothing has really helped.
But I never give up the search. I've recently been looking into purchasing a vibrating power plate in the hope that it would help with circulation, muscle strength in my legs, thighs, lower back, and improve my general fitness. Or would I be wasting my money? I have read on the web that one person experienced a feeling of sea-sickness when using one. So I'm interested to learn whether any Earth Clinic readers have had any experience using a power plate and would they recommend one. I'm 80 years of age (pretty ancient, but young in spirit), female, and apart from the above problems keep fairly well.
GWEN,,,,,, ORH here, look up on the internet. Tn will not allow MD's to use, thus you will have to go to Ga. I was told 12 years ago that right knee was bone on bone and I needed a new knee. Instead, I got an ozone an ozone shot in Atlanta. Now I get one every 3 or 4 years from Dr. Adams in Ringgold, Ga. I have my own medical Ozone generator and can give my own shots now. I would not try in the spine nor neck because of nerves.
I breath ozone bubbled through olive oil . You cannot breath ozone alone, least it will kill you. I do put it in my ears and nose. I put it up my fanny and drink ozonated water. I have an ozone suit that I wear in my sauna to get it in my body transdermally. Medical folks lie when they say you can not regrow joint cartilage, but they lie about lots of stuff to make $$$$.
Apple Cider Vinegar
What is an ozone shot?
As I mentioned to Gracie, I have not tried it topically for anything except the hands and it was effective for that, but the hands are relatively thin and apparently enough borax is able to penetrate the the hands to be effective. For arthritis of the the hips and knees, the oral route is already proven effective for many people. Borax is very poor at penetrating the skin and dermal layers and this is why I have never mentioned it for anything other than the hands. I have only used it orally for other areas of the body.
Orally, I use Ted's method of 1/8th level teaspoon per day for women measured with a measuring spoon set using the 1/8th teaspoon at level full and adding that to a quart or liter of water, stirring or shaking until dissolved and drinking it throughout the day. For men it is 1/4th teaspoon per day in a quart or liter of water. I drink the whole quart during the day and make a new bottle each day. I drink one bottle each day of the week and take Friday, Saturday and Sunday off now.
If you want to try making the borax lotion, I have written about that already on Earth Clinic here :
Art: arthritis how to use borax for knee pain
Hello, ACV is acidic so it would cause the bumps on your skin. Try watering it down.
Apple Cider Vinegar
Mama to Many, I second your comment on sugar causing pain. It also triggers hot flashes.
Apple Cider Vinegar
Well I say, “Boo, ” to those who say you look older having lost weight. They are probably just jealous. Weight loss, unless it's too much, should help your knees to have less stress.
some things to try for your knee pain...
You can get a special knee pillow to keep the knees aligned while you sleep, which should reduce stress on them.
you could try “Stoppain” a roll on menthol pain reliever. I love it and use it on my neck with much relief. Don't buy generic. It has much less menthol.
You could try rubbing castor oil into you knee at bedtime.
Finally. Beware of sugar. I find that sugar really aggravates pain for me.
Hope you find something to help so you can walk. It's so good for you when you can do it!
~Mama to Many~
Apple Cider Vinegar
I have been taking Apple Cider Vinegar for my knee pain for the past 7 years, my knee pain did not come back till recently. I lost lot of weight and people are telling me that I am looking much older than my age. My knee pain is back though I am continuing to take acv. Now I want to stop taking acv. Need help, since I am unable to go for my walks. Sometimes it pains sometime I am able to walk.
What a wonder you are. I read what you said and thought it was the craziest thing. I tried it and my knee, which had been horribly swollen for months, had immediate pain relief and within a week, all of the swelling went down. I forgot to write a thank you (this was about a year ago).
Well, this week, I hurt my ankle. I did the usual (ice, elevation, immobilization, etc.) then I remembered Cabbage leaves. Put one on there, wrapped it up, and Bingo! The pain subsided in 20 minutes and I was pain-free all night. I don't know why it works, but it does!
Thank you for sharing. I DID say, "Oh my Goodness!!! "
Apple Cider Vinegar and Cayenne Wrap
How much ACV, cayenne pepper and coconut oil should I use for a knee pain wrap?
I have had swelling in my knees for awhile now and have tried many things with limited success. What worked best was basically staying off my feet but at the end of the day my knees would still be swollen. I came across a you tube video by Wim Hof and his breathing method to make a long story short it has had a immediate effect on the inflammation in my knees it cost me nothing but doing the method two to three times a day, no pills, nothing required but his breathing method . He is also known as the ice man and has done some amazing things if this helps you as much as it's helping me that will be great give it a try. You might be amazed how your ability to hold your breath increases also.
knit bone = comfrey or you could use castor oil packs on your knee. Knee problems could be coming from other parts of body out of alignment, John Bergman on youtube is the bone expert. If your gut health is off you won't absorb minerals for your bones. Phytic acid on grains and beans will take minerals out of your body. Dehydration is imbalance of water to correct mineral balance and can cause all kinds of pain and symptoms. Not sure why your knee hurts but hope you find the solution quickly. Blessings, charity
Apple Cider Vinegar
TONEY,,,, ORH here, had the same problem some 12 years ago and was told I needed a knee replacement. Instead, I went to Progressive Medical Center in Atlanta and got an Ozone shot in my knee. Get a shot every 3 years or so and no pain.
Apple Cider Vinegar
I am experiencing knee joint pain such as swollen inflammation of the knee joint. Knee stiffness on bone to bone friction.
I've been taken about 1/4 teaspoon borax in water 2/3 week (for past 3 years) and it helped my clicking knees..
I found it best in a cup of tea with spoon full honey, you cannot taste it at all..
I had bad strain on my knee. Specialy when suddenly stretch I felt minor sometime seviour sharp stabing pain posterior knees. After using borax as Ted recommended for couples of months. pain witheraway permanently. I drive manual so till no problems for almost 3 years.
Borax and Magnesium
I would try mag oil directly on the knee in addition to the oral magnesium and borax.
Borax and Magnesium
Hi, a few years ago I was told borax and magnesium sulphate. both food grade, if you mix a level teaspoon of each into litre of water good shake. Use 1x teaspoon in third of (3, finger) water take every other day. I believe it has taken the edge away in my knees.
I've surfed on line for this combination. Any advice, please?
Oh My Goodness! Cabbage is fabulous in keeping arthritis out of your knee!! Just pile the leaves on your knee - front and back - after you have taken the spines out of the cabbage and used a rolling pin to release some of the juices. Then wrap it up with saran wrap - you might need two sheets of about 15" long. After you do that, wrap the whole knee up in a scarf and go about your business or go to bed. In the morning you take it all off - your cabbage will be wet which is a good sign - and your knee will not be swollen nor will it hurt and you can walk without any pain!!! Try it for about 10 days straight and you will be saying "Oh My Goodness!"
I just injured my knee and watched videos online about knee injuries. A holistic chiropractor said cortisone and NSAIDs destroy cartilage. He also said if you really had bone on bone, you can't walk and that cartilage can be regrown. He said to put 5 to 8 pound ankle weights on and swing your feet back and forth gently. Pulling the knee joint apart helps improve circulation and this better gets nutrients to the joint.