Top Natural Treatments for Heart Disease (Cardiovascular Disease)

I read many research papers on the use of probiotics for the treatment of Cardiovascular Disease. From these papers, one can come to a conclusion that the following five probiotics in our digestive system mostly determine the bad cholesterol (LDL) level, triglycerides (TG) level and good cholesterol (HDL) level in our blood. They are:

1) Tier I (critical) - B. Longum

2) Tier II ( useful) - L. Plantarum, L. Reuteri, L. Achidophilus and L. Fermentum.

If these five probiotics are in the correct normal levels in our digestive system, we will not get cardiovascular disease. In this, B. longum plays a critical and important role. If some of these five probiotics are well below normal levels, one may get cardiovascular disease and the bad cholesterol, triglycerides, and / or good cholesterol may go to abnormal levels. Also, plaque will start depositing in the arteries.

Milk Kefir contains all these five probiotics. For treating cardiovascular disease, one can take one half cup of home made milk Kefir in the morning on empty stomach for 3 months. To get better results, one can also take B. Longum rich foods or tonic in the evening as follows:

1) 15 cc of Ayurvedic fermented tonic - Hridhayasanthi. or

2) one fourth cup of fermented cabbage.

After this probiotic treatment, bad cholesterol, triglycerides, and good cholesterol will come to correct required levels and plaque in the arteries will start dissolving.

After three months period, one can continue this treatment 2 or 3 days per week until the plaque in the arteries is sufficiently dissolved. This treatment is working very well for me. Others can try this treatment and report the results.

Best wishes, P. Raghavan.

Hello Guys,

For the guys whose recipe turned green, did you consume the recipe? Did it work? Cause I followed the same instructions and I got a green mixture as well.

When I boiled all 4 ingredients, it turned green, I don't know what happened wrong. plz tell me, should I add honey to it or not. I think the honey will go to waste if the mixture has become toxic. plz reply asap.

I had my bypass surgery in Chicago in the year 1980. Since then, I am taking stain drugs, aspirin, etc. as prescribed by doctors. Recently, I started taking an Ayurvedic fermented probiotic tonic called " HRIDAYASANTHI "on the advice of my friend. I took 25 cc of this tonic in the moring and evening on empty stomach for about 10 days and 15 cc in the morning only for about 8 weeks. Then I took my blood test. To my surprise, my blood test shows my bad chlosterol, good chlosterol and Triglycrides are all normal. I never had this kind of good results in my life.

I recommended this tonic to a lady who was suffering from severe chest pain due to blockage. She took 4 or 5 bottes (450 cc) of this tonic. Her chest pain went away completely and doctors told her there is no blockage now.

It is available for about us $2 per bottle in India. For outside India, you may have to contact Ayurvedic online dealer in your area. Its manufacturer is : Santhigiri Ayurveda & Siddha Vaidyasala, Santhigiri P.O. , Thiruvananthapuram - 695 589, Kerala, India.

Best Wishes To all

P. Raghavan

I have just learned about the garlic, lemon, ginger cure.

I have been taking nattokinase and serrapeptase for close to a year now to help clean the arteries. I have noticed a difference in my circulation. My feet don't swell like they use to. I don't get chest cramps very often. And I can catch my breath without feeling concerned. I would never get out of breath, just a feeling of not being able to expand my diaphragm at will sometimes.

However, I still have anxiety issues and ringing ears. I also feel tightness in my head as if I have a tight ponytail with no headache. I am terrified of the medical system and try to use natural remedies to self heal. I am 53 and grew up on hamburgers and Doritos. I feel like I need a more aggressive treatment. I don't know if I should stop taking the enzymes if I start the garlic cure. I also don't know if I should do this cure or instead do the Tibetan garlic cure. Any thoughts on this?

Hi Robert Henry,

What good news! I follow Dr. Duane Graveline and his legion of doctors who believe inflammation is THE cause of heart disease. Our bodies need cholesterol to function properly, especially our brains and hearts. The FDA recently stated that the cholesterol in the food we eat has little to no effect on our blood cholesterol levels, after practically ruining the egg and beef industries in the past. (although some high cholesterol foods may cause inflammation, like beef because of glycation and acidic issues) Cholesterol is said to be like a fireman at a fire. It repairs and is present in areas of damage done by inflammation and but does not cause it. Statins, by blocking cholesterol, CoQ10, dolichols and other pathways that are essential to our health along the mevalonate pathway, can cause all kinds of problems like CHD, muscle and nerve problems, and dementia in the future for those people who follow doctors orders, while they get about a 1% lower risk of a heart event over many years, and this 1% advantage occurs only in men who have had a previous event.

So you are doing a darn good job managing your inflammation and we all look forward to many more years of benefitting from your advice on health, gardening, and generally using our common sense. You are a gem, and I have a feeling your wife is, too!

HI U Rsw, , , , , , , , , , , , , it appears that I misread and your are right about a low CRP result means low inflammation. I thank you. Maybe I'll live to 92 after all.

There are some researchers that say heart disease correlates with inflammation and not cholesterol.

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Hi Robert Henry,

I've been reading that a low CRP means low inflammation, so maybe yours is good! Saw this table on the Life Extension site that may be of interest if you still feel it is high. CRP in men is suggested to be .55 or lower, in women 1 or lower.

See TABLE: SELECTED NUTRIENTS KNOWN TO LOWER CRP (scroll down page).

HI U Rsw, , , , , , , , , , , ,

See my local doctor tomorrow to get a report on the EKG they took Friday. All my blood work is probably the best I've ever had. My CRP is low so I'm eat up with inflammation. I really don't have a clue how to address that. I am taking Beta Glucan to build my immune system in addressing my blood cancer.

I go Thursday to have a stress test done and will let the cardiologist interpret that. He's a big transplanted Texan, and we do the hand jive. I think you are right about this being an electrical problem and I will try to get him to address it with naturals and not rat poison.

An interesting story..... retired guy in one of my chelation groups had an electrical problem and his cardiologist told he could only live if had a pace maker. He whole life revolved around rebuilding old classic cars and this would end that because of the emf's associated with being close to running engines. He came to my chelation doctor, who told him his electrical heart problem was his electrolytes. He straightened that out and the old codger went back to rebuilding old cars. Is life interesting or what?

Thank you for your concern.=====ORH====

Hi Robert Henry,

Just wondering how you are feeling after the weekend? Since the chelation therapy has pretty much cleaned out your arteries, I imagine it was a heart rhythm or electrical glitch. You did good, my friend, with your choices of self treatment! Hope you are taking it a little easier than usual for a while and eating the just rewards of all your (and your tractor driver's) hard work this summer. Take care.

Mixture can turn green or light brown, no harm, depends on the ingredients mainly ginger and garlic. It is important that you use clay/earthen pot or procelin as mixture can react with metal as it is ascetic acid. ACV must be organic, raw and unfiltered for best result. Honey must also be raw and pure.

On February 21, 2015, there was news released at Brain and Nerve Clinic, Chiangmai Ram Hospital, Chiangmai by Dr. Pracha Kanyaprasit, Neuropathy Surgeon. He disclosed about the natural way of treating blockage in arteries. He found this natural cure from one of his patients who suffered from blockage in carotid artery. The patient was weak and suffered from temporary paralyze. He used medicines to cure and prevent, the symptom got better. Later, the same symptom returned and he used two more medicine but did not receive any progress. There was only one cure left that is carotid angioplasty. This patient was afraid of surgery and decided not to choose. He chose to take medication and herbal medicine. Six months later, the patient came for another checkup. After x-ray and carotid angiogram an interesting and impossible condition was found. The usual blocked carotid which was rough in appearance became smooth and there was no need for further medication. He interestingly asked the patient what had he done to cure and knew that the patient took soup prepared from boiling black ear fungus or mushroom (Auricularia auricula-judae J.Schr), dry red dates and ginger. He now does not need medication.

Another patient, 70 years old female with cerebral thrombosis, medication could not be used as she also suffered from bleeding in the stomach. The condition was quite severe. He told her daughter about the first case which was cured and that the doctor personally did not believe but as there was no other choice and no danger so they might want to try. Two months later, the patient came with smooth blood vessel. The doctor was afraid that this could be double sides of the sword so he told only patients close to him to try the soup. There were 16 of them and they all got better. One of them drinks the whole day without side effect. The good thing is kidney also functions better as date support kidney health.

The formula is one liter of water, 20 to 30 dried dates (use only dried dates not sweeten, clean and cut a scar to circulate the water inside), about 80 grams of black ear fungus (use only black with black color on one side and white on the other) and 100 grams of ginger. All put together and boil in very low heat until there is only 50-60% of water left. Drink only the soup. The doctor and his family also take this soup. His brother who is a doctor also takes this soup and now does not suffer from leg blood shortage that caused muscle pain.

Nattakit

T: The downside to big doses of Arginine is increased viral activity as well as fuel for mycoplasma infections (for those folks who have M).

This is a good example of how single nutrients have overtly one-sided effects and often fall short of treatment goals.

Standard nutrients for heart health is Hawthorn herb, Magnesium, CoQ10, Carnitine, Ribose or D-Ribose.

For more in-depth and professional help for cardio check out Dr Sinatra books and web videos.

BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS

I have had elevated blood pressure and minor angina this winter. Began taking l-arginine and it greatly helped. However, I also got a sore throat after a couple of weeks. I, then laid off the arginine and the sore throat went away. I started taking arginine with citrulline and again got a sore throat that bloomed into a full cold. I very much like the benefits of the arginine but the side effects are so far a disaster. I have taken l-lysine for a long time. Thanks to anyone who might be able to help.

ACV dissolves calcium which comes into its direct contact, after one consumes the concoction it goes into circulatory system and bones do not come into contact of ACV ., but be sure to rinse mouth thoroughly as there are chances of teeth with no enamal protection will be affected by ACV .

Sanjay, Pune, India .

I am a diabetic patient. Can I use the acv, ginger, garlic, lemon and honey mixture? Will honey affect my diabetes? Is it safe to use it? If so can I use acv plain or acv with mother? Please reply. Jagatheesan

Which apple cider vinegar did you use. Pls reply.

I follow a practice called Reams Biological Theory of Ionization. In that practice it states that you should only take ACV if you have an alkaline PH. ACV will move your PH from alkaline towards acid. In RBTI one of the measurements is to measure the salt levels in the urine. This shows whether the body is retaining salt or eliminating it properly. Often high reading levels of salt in the urine can be an indicator of heart problems. Also there is a measurement of undigested and digested proteins in the urine. High levels of this measurement indicates stress on the heart. This practice shows you how to tailor your diet and supplements to achieve a healing range.

Heard a doctor once tell a old italian man to take three times the regular dose of vitamin C for six months to clear blocked artery in his heart. It works because I tried it. Get a strong dose of chelating minerals and seaweed minerals every day, selenium stops heart attacks, potassium slows the heart to a regular beat thus lowering the blood pressure through the arteries. Calcium is another one to maintain a heathy blood pressure, all in these minerals and seaweed minerals these also contain humic acid and fulvic acid, the carbon of live, where we all come from. People and animals florish on this stuff. Regards Bo

CAVEAT regarding Vitamin K2 (ML7).

I ran into someone who had PAD. They told me that they had taken K2 for over 200 days. I told him that I thought K2 contributed to his Peripheral Artery Disease.

When it comes to heart disease, the focus should be on blood flow and cleaning out the plaque. This need to be treated before calcium in arteries. Calcium in arteries is a secondary concern when dealing with heart disease and should be put off until enough plaque in the arteries is removed.

K2 and fibrinolytic enzymes (FE) nattokinase etc can clash since K2 is a blood coagulant and FE a blood anticoagulant. FE's will remain in blood stream for 3 to 8 hour maximum so they have inherent limitation. K2 (ML7) builds up to 100% in 4 days so I think unhealthy situation can develop where one could get too much. As an asidem the less desirable form ML4 remains in blood for 5 hours.

I would be very careful about using K2 (ML7) blindly. Clean your arteries of plaque first then just do short term cleansing with K2 every 6-12 months or spread out the dosing or do it gently ... you have to experiment with it. what is good for one person may be unhealthy for another.

K2 (ML7) is a boon for health but it should be used wisely.

I like the idea. The studies I have done in Paul Talalay's work from John Hopkins on broccoli Sprouts and turmeric, however would be more attuned to the clearing of Beta amyloid plaque from the brain.. As I remember it is the ingredient called Sulphorphane or Isothiocyante (sic) that detoxifies carcinogenic material in the body by activating Phase II enzymes in the liver which sets off a cascade of antioxidant pathways and activates genes for three days (3) after ingestion.

January: Amyloid plaque is a protein Apple Cider Vinegar does not remove. Removing insoluble plaque from the brain does not improve cognition because the soluble plaque is the most dangerous. I am going to give you a very potent remedy. Put 3g freeze dried wild Alaskan blueberry powder, this has 6x the potency as organic, $86 1 lb., this neutralizes the soluble plaque, 3g yucca powder, this has resveratrol and analogues, 5g fresh whole root turmeric, this removes the insoluble plaque, grind up in the blender first, and 3g fresh harvest high potency maca, this stimulates the hypothalamus, into 1 cup water kefir, home brewed for 1 day, and brew for 1 more day, fermenting increases nutrient activity, then drink with 5g coconut oil. Eating cooked conventionally grown food caused the condition so change to 85% raw organic produce and 15% raw grass fed animal products to function optimally. The super foods for the brain are raw cocoa powder, marine phyto plankton, Hawaiian spirulina, non denatured whey isolate, and desiccated liver. Take 1ml skate liver oil 3x/day.

To January Jefferson,

On use of ACV for amyloid plaque condition; you ask if ACV might rid the brain of the amyloid...I'd think so but would take a long time since the ACV has to get past the Blood-Brain barrier. Just give it time. Very good chance for success.

In 2002 I researched arteriosclerosis and found one five year study which used Apple Cider Vinegar in some juice as an arterial plaque remover for heart patients.The success rate was over 90% and not one subject had a stroke or heart attack during the entire study. I believe the daily dose was 1 tablespoon in the morning before breakfast. I wonder, can Apple Cider Vinegart also clear amyloid plaque from the brain?

I am making the above mixture. I used a juicer for all three juices and am reducing it in a crock pot. It's turning green. Is it supposed to do this or is this contamination from either the juicer or crock pot?

Your knowledge is very limited. If kidneys are normal k remains in balance. Many diuretics are k sparing.

One of the problems with Paulings recommendation is that some people can't take a lot of vitamin C. EDTA will leach minerals from your body. These methods were very useful until the advent of fibrolytic enzymes.

EDTA and Pauling protocol has been obsoleted with fibrolytic enzymes like nattokinase. It just needs to be taken on empty stomach. besides being more convenient and less expensive, it does not leach minerals from your body.

HI U JOHN BOY, , , , , , , , graduated from Crossett Ar. High in '54 . Linus Pauling wrote my freshman chemistry book at Ga Tech. You need to research some more as oral chelation is worthless. An anal suppository is a little better, but not in the league with an EDTA Chelation I.V.as I have had over 60 in the last 5 years. Carotid arteries went from over 50 % plugged to less than 10 %. Heart artery pluggage is zero at age 77. I know that I.V. Chelation works. Who told you that oral chelation works?

Not trying to rain on your parade, but where do you get your facts? Most folks on this site have been down few dusty trails and will tolerate questionable questions, but some like me, do not accept questionable facts. You can do folks harm if you are shooting from the hip.

There is lots of good information on this site but you can't accept all that is written, and I don't accept yours. Please ease my mind.

===========OLE ROBERT HENRY=============

Straight EDTA, taken orally, will help open blood flow. The best product I know is DC Labs EDTA 625 mg. Also, one of the best heart and circulation products I've found, based upon Linus Pauling's research, is The Pauling Therapy Essentials Formula, which is basically high vitamin C, Lysine, and Proline with other ingredients which make it one of the most complete products out there and yet one of the most affordable. You can do a lot of study on Pauling's research, and I have, and I take these formulas myself and have been helped by them.

Linus Pauling protocol Vitamin C, etc have been obsoleted with fibrolytic enzymes such as nattokinase. Fibrolytic enzymes get at the root cause of heart disease.

Heart disease, google 1989 nobel prize in medicine dr linus pauling, heart disease is a very bad vit c deficiency.

Trudi,

Chickens do eat seeds (and bugs) of course there is nothing wrong with seeds fed to chicken. I realise they eat worms or other things. Most chickens do not run around in corn fields, not where I am from anyway. I did not mean taking away healthy seeds which they will find in a field anyway in addition to what you feed them.

Most corn today is GMO. Please research GMO and you will know that it stops mineral absorption into the body. You may care to eat it at your peril.

Here is a article of someone who successfully is raising grain free fed chickens. It can be done and it is soo much healthier for the chicken and the people eating the eggs from them.

http://hopecentric.com/our-grain-free-chickens/

See the article below of what happened to pigs stomachs when fed GMO food (not specifically corn). It turned their stomachs to "mush". Mice fed GMO food also ended up with huge tumors all over their body.

http://www.naturalnews.com/040727_GMO_feed_severe_inflammation_pig_stomachs.html

What chicken eats corn? All of them. Corn fields are the best place for hunting turkey, grouse, partridge, quail---all birds eat grain of all sorts. All corn may be gmo, but don't kid yourself that your chickens will be healthy if all you feed them is herbs and grass. They eat bugs, too, so they aren't vegetarian. How about doing some research before you get chickens and harm them by feeding them the wrong thing.

Hi Debbie. I'm agreeing with you. I recently I read a recorded account of a meeting between the Persian and Ethiopian kings in the fifth century B.C., that I think you will quite enjoy, and this is my condensed version:

The Ethiopian king was informed how wine was made and drank some for the first time and found it delicious. He then inquired of the Persian what they ate and how old they lived. The Persians cultivated wheat and the king said they ate bread (and obviously drank wine) and lived to 80. The Ethiopian king then said he was not surprised that anyone who ate “dung” should die so soon and if it were not for the wine, they would probably die even sooner. The Persian then asked the Ethiopian the same question and was told they ate boiled meat, drank milk and lived to 120.

Fast forward 2500 years and it seems to me that the more things change, the more they stay the same. We still eat the same “dung”, just modified varieties so that farmers can produce higher yields to appease the consumer demand for low prices, and we still only average living to 80.

The Ethiopians were doing everything right back then, a high fat, high protein diet and the milk wouldn't even have been pasteurised. Ethiopians now average 60 – and these days, lots of sourdough flatbread is pretty much a staple. Say no more.

Except for an average of 3 slices of wholemeal bread per day, I have been on a low carb, high protein, high fat diet for nearly 6 months and at 5'7, 57kgs and 57yo, feeling pretty darn good. I offset the carbs in the bread with high protein. Bacon and eggs for breakfast is just not right without toast.

Also, there is about 3 times more vitamin E in one egg than there is in one slice of bread. I often contemplate having a few chooks roam around my backyard, too. The soil in the backyard is dizzy with worms, they'd love it. So yes, chooks eat meat too, so tell your egg market guy to include meat scraps in their diets.

Cheers.

I saw a documentary a fews yrs back about the futile effort for poultry especially, but livestock farmers in general, in some eastern European country, to continue using probiotics as feed supplement instead of pharmaceutical grade, gov recommended antibiotics. Big pharma's aggressive marketing rolls independent choices or practical benefits.

Hydrogen Peroxide or Colloidal silver can also be used in ag in place of chemical antibiotics at much less cost in production.

Thank you Mike. What you are saying is absolutely inspiring as well. You figured it out yourself. I would hesitate to add the 54 year old in India probably had non modified corn. I now eat grass fed meats from a local farmers market and grow some herbs which I am adding to. I am thinking of getting my own chicken and just feeding it herbs and grass (the way they should be fed). The guy at my farmers market who sells eggs, feeds them grains thinking that was healthy. What chicken eats corn? He is reading the book now and looking for herbs to grow to feed his chickens.

An excellent video presentation by Dr William Davis on wheat today and it's effects on the body. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBURnqYVzw. Cheers

Debbie: Yes you are absolutely right. Your explanation is excellent and very inspiring. I spent 6 years trying to get well before I got well. The diseases got into my brain and made me stupid. I wasn't able to put 2 thoughts together in a straight line. Eventually I stumbled across two solutions. One was experimentation. I have taken moomiyo from Tadjikastan and he sho wu from China. The second was to evaluate what well people and animals eat. People are good at making things like telescopes to study stars and animals are good at food. Park Rangers discovered over 400 plants in the intestines of a deer. He does not eat crackers that contain hydrogenated oils. The longest lived animal in the world eats mostly marine phytoplankton and some tiny sea creatures. A 54 year old Tarahumara India had the best time in a 100 mile race at 10, 000 ft. He eats mostly corn and beans. 70, 80, and 90 year old Himalayans drink raw goat milk kefir and glacial water and eat sprouts. When the best long distance runner in America finishes a race he collects his first place trophy, eats a bunch of bananas, walks over to his competitors and says lets run a 6 mile cool off. Raw fermented skate liver oil gave the vikings the strength and smarts to navigate the north atlantic in small one masted sailing vessels. The solution is in the food. The best foods have the best remedies.

Dave, I never said the wheat was GMO. I said modified and hybridised.

"So why has this seemingly benign plant that sustained generations of humans suddenly turned on us? For one thing, it is not the same grain our forebears ground into their daily bread. Wheat has changed dramatically in the past fifty years under the influence of agricultural scientists. Wheat strains have been hybridized, crossbred, and introgressed to make the wheat plant resistant to environmental conditions, such as drought, or pathogens, such as fungi. But most of all, genetic changes have been induced to increase yield per acre. Such enormous strides in yield have required drastic changes in genetic code. Such fundamental genetic changes have come at a price."

Hi Dave

I was not trying to attack you. Sorry if it seemed that way. We are all here trying to get our health back. There are many people on this site who have tried everything and are still getting sick. Many with inflammatory diseases. I was just sharing.

Dr. Lundell in the article said and I quote: "The injury and inflammation in our blood vessels is caused by the low fat diet recommended for years by mainstream medicine."

He goes on "What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods. "

When he says "flour" that would mean "wheat" and all associated products would it not? Also he mentions the oils that many processed foods today are being cooked in. Look at the ingredients lists of foods today.. many list "wheat" not flour.

One point about wheat or flour, if you like, is that it raises the blood sugar levels (as do most grains). Dr William Davis says that 2 slices of even whole wheat bread or white raises the blood sugar to the equivalent of eating a can of soda or even a candy bar. That is only 2 slices of bread.

Dr. Lundell also says when you spike your blood sugar level several times every day it is like taking "sandpaper to the inside of your delicate blood vessels" hence inflammation occurs.

Dr. Lundell said when the inflammation is gone, cholesterol can move freely around the body as nature intended. He advocated removal of inflamatory foods (which includes flour)..

Conclusion: Our diet is causing inflammation on a daily basis and we need to get rid of the causes.

If anyone is interested go to the facebook page of "johnpokocky" & look at his photos-Amazing health transformation (nothing to sell there).

People going grain/gluten free have had lifelong pain disappear, arthritis and many, many other immflamatory diseases vanishing. Even chronic gum inflammation is vanishing and no more bleeding gums.

Anyway people can research this for themselves and hopefully provide their own feedback.

I know there are people who have been it this site for a long long time and are still unwell.

To Debbie from Australia:

Concerning grain usage, my comment to you was that your link to Dr Dwight Lundell's article to support your criticism of wheat consumption, in fact did not support your position.

My point was that your assertion that wheat is bad was not what Lundell said in his article. He actually endorsed the idea of getting back to basic foods that are not refined such as higly refined wheat and other foods that do not resemble what we had a hunded years ago. He spoke of it as "what our grandparents" would have eaten.

You responded to my post. You misquote me. I did not say as you asserted "If the only place where you think you can get Vitamin E is from wheat then you need to study more. " I never made such an assertion. And then you site sources like nuts etc. Which one can get E. You also misstate me when you next say, "Is Vitamin E the only thing you can think of to keep eating wheat?" Well, that's not what my concern was; an advocacy for the benefits of wheat; it was a warning to supplement with E if one decided to quit whole wheat. But there ARE other benefits of grains(ruffage, and minerals for instance and B vitamins). And perhaps benefits that have been given to the billions of people over thousands of years who have consumed hybridized grains for essential life giving sustenance. Benefits we don't know about. I eat "Ezekiel 4:9" bread mainly. And I eat buckwheat pancakes. There may be things in the grain that one cannot get elsewhere. But the name "Ezekiel 4:9" is derived from the Scripture that names all the grains that God would bless his people with.

However, my original post was not to advocate for whole grain wheat except to say that that is where most Americans get what little E that do get, so IF you don't eat any Whole wheat then supplement. Vitamin E is vital in protection from arterial disease. So if you do get rid of wheat then supplement for needed E. (Lundell's thrust was to show the damage from "over refined foods" such as flour and sugar which causes inflamation. And he decries bad oils. His thrust was NOT an anti wheat campaign but rather anti anything "highly refined" and one of those highly refined items is often highly refined wheat.)

My major point was: If you get rid of wheat, then supplement with a natural Vitamin E capsule or two.

That was my main idea. IF you get rid of WW then supplement. I suggested Vitamin E caps of at least 200. You can get Vitamin E from other edible sources. I did not say you couldn't but its just hard get to 200 or 400 iu a day of E from spinach/nuts etc. (You seemed so intent on attacking me for saying something "nice" about whole grain wheat, that you imput to me things I did not say.)

In your follow up post you said also that wheat was "modified and hybridized"... Well yes, for millenia wheat has been hybridized. That's what durum is. There are thousands of wheat hybridized varieties in the world. All grains are and have been. Nothing is wrong with that. Man-made hybrids of grains goes back thousands of years.

You further think that wheat is GMO modified as you imply. (You used the word modified. Corn is GMOd to death; We know that. ) As of 2013, there is no marketing of GMO wheat, thank God. Monsanto has test fields. But so far we are safe from that disaster.

And then you say whole wheat bread has the same glycemic level as a sugared drink. Whole wheat? I was taken back at that. On the glycemic chart I have, whole wheat and all whole uncracked grains are LOWEST on the chart, and cracked wheat shows the middle range on the index and refined the highest. (When you just have the refined endosperm, that is the highest. ) I'm a good self indicator of glycemic index being borderline myself, having drunk "swee tea" and other sugars all my life until fifteen years ago. If I get sugar at night my legs begin to "crawl" within thirty minutes. If I eat a supposed non sugar snack, and then feel that agitation in my legs I know that the snack had sugar in it. Just experienced that in fact with the purchase of a jar of Almond Butter. Checked the label and there it was: Sugar added. And my body is VERY sensitive that way. Even the slightest sugar can elevate my sugar and cause the agitation; especially sensitive at night. But no such reaction if I consume a piece of ww toast, with a little olive oil as a night snack.

Thankfully, I've gotten rid of "cravings" which plagued me all my life by adjusting the hypothalymus... Now no sugar cravings. Free of that demon.

I got back from a trip to Eastern Europe; Albania and Romania last January. The whole grain "staff of life" is a mainstay in their diets as it has been for centuries. Western refined processes are only recently infiltrating. There was not the western type obesity there. It is not the grains that is the problem. It is the refining... Just as Dr. Lundell said in his article.

Dave, good luck in finding the wheat our forefathers used to eat. It has been modified and hybridized to the point of being unrecognizable today.

If you believe that wheat is the only option for vitamin E then you really need to study more.. Is Vitamin E the only reason you can think of to keep eating wheat? Herbs, nuts, vegetables are all good sources. 2 slices of Wholegrain wheat raises the blood sugar level higher than a can of soda or a candy bar which in turn is the cause of huge weight increases in EVERYONE today. Look around you at the shopping centres and tell me that people are getting healthier by eating whole grains. How many peole eat nothing but wholegrains and keep putting on weight.

You only have to see the people on this type of eating plan to see the health benefits.

Here is a man who lost over 100 lbs in one year and probably saved himself from a heart attack in the process. His diabetes is nearly under control and he is now running marathons.

Anyone doubting that wheat/grain/gluten free is healthier just look at this amazing man.

His story is repeated hundreds and hundreds of times even in people who are over 60 and 70. They have even got rid of lifelong pain and arthritis.

China has done thousands of studies on fibrolytic enzymes and found that they prevent heart attacks and strokes. Cholesterols in arteries is what keeps people from dying from the inflammation. As an aside, people with ME/CFIDS/CFS have chronic blood coagulation caused by a primary microbe infection.

To Debbie from Australia,

Just one correction on your comments on the excellent article you cite by Dr. Dwight Lundell. Lundell in the article does NOT attack real whole wheat bread, like our forefathers ate. In fact, he asserts we must get back to those whole grains like our grandparents used. He is opposed to "highly refined carbohydrates" and uses sugar and white flour as the prime examples.

It is whole wheat where most people get what little NATURAL Vitamin E they do get, which is essential to keep the arteries from becoming tacky and therefore not prone to pick up fats which adhere to the walls of the arteries and become oxydized thus ... Inflamamed which is, Dr Lundell says, the real cause of heart disease.... Not a low fat diet. He decries a low fat diet, in fact.

I hold to the 50 year old theory that inflamation itself is caused by oxydizing oils and toxic refined carbs sticking to tacky artery surfaces. This concept was first introduced by Canadian doctors, brothers, the Shutes who argued that stealing the germ out of the wheat and other grains to give them shelf life, took the very life out of the grain, the part of the grain that made the human system work properly.

If you don't eat whole grains, you need to get your Vitamin E (natural and not synthetic) from pill form.

The current attack on "wheat" is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Yes, eliminate refined flours, but do consume the whole grains. If you feel you must get rid of all grains then supplement with the Vitamin E tablet. At least 200 IUs daily of d-alpha tocopherol. I take 800 IUs and have for 30 years.

Best of health,

Dave

I came across a wonderful article I'd like to share. It is from a Retired Heart Surgeon of 25 years experience. He says that heart disease is actually caused by INFLAMMATION of the arteries. Take away the inflammation - and the cholesterol can move through the arteries freely. He goes on to say that wheat, grains and omega 6 in the diet are causing the problems. He also says that he low fat, low cholesterol diets are a mistake because the brain needs the cholesterol and saturated fats.

This is exactly what Dr. William Davis is saying in his book. Get the wheat and grains out of the diet. It is the major cause of most ailments today.

Here is the article: http://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease

Ailment: Heart Disease
Remedy: Nattokinase and Serrapeptase

I have post under ailment Peripheral Artery Disease. Please refer to it for more detail. China has done thousands of studies for fibrolytic enzymes that have proven that fibrolytic enzymes protect people against heart attacks and strokes.

To add to the suggestions on "heart health" I see something missing that has been in the alternative arena for many years.

The "whole foods" theory that emerged in the 1950s was that the wave of heart disease which began rapidly accelerating after the Second World War came about because of the refining of flour, especially wheat, in order to give it shelf life. That theory was that the natural vitamin E was being milled out of the wheat and all the grains to provide shelf life. So the germ of the wheat was removed giving us white flour in loaf bread without any of the "germ"; the processed food revolution was on. Of course, refining grains has been an ongoing process especially where the "elite" preferred the lighter flour to the courser flour for thousands of years. The difference was that there was a wholesale movement to refining flour in most of the western countries in the last 50 years. Butter, was also replaced by hydrogenated oil which was another factor that damaged the arteries. As the arteries were damages there was no E circulating to stop the oxydizing process which produced blockages. Also without the E, oxygen was not being transported properly to the muscles (heart/legs) endangering the essential ability to function.

The first medical doctors who asserted the causation of heart and circulatory diseases was this refining of flour were the Canadian Medical Doctors, brothers, the Shutes. They made the assertion that the refinging of flour was depleting the basic source of E out of the bread and in time that depletion which was central to circulatory and heart health was causing a sharp increase in disease. So they propelled the consumption of supplimental E (natural and not synthetic). And of course, consume as much whole grain as you can versus eating refined white refined foods. Most all E comes from our breads.

My formula is:

1, 000 iu daily of d alpha tocopherol... Vitamin E (work your way up to the 1, 000 slowly, starting with 200 iu and in a month increase to 400 and next month another 200 etc till you get to 1, 000. I have been on this for more than 30 years. I do not take even one prescription drug. There are over 20 benefits from natural E... PLEASE... Natural Vitamin E... D alpha tocopherol and not dl alpha tocopherol which is synthetic. Vit E is a blood thinner when inside the body but helps with clotting when exposed to the air. So if one is on blood thinner, gradually reduce as you increase the E. Asprin is a blood thinner when you use daily, so cut down on the asprin as the E is being used.

- 500 mg of the herb hawthorne
- 500 mg of CoQ 10
- 1,000 mg of Arginine
- 500 mg of magnesium (and with that you can consume sea salt)
- 1,000 mg of assorted amino acids daily (giving even more arginine)
- a good mineral suppliment
- 500 mg of Calcium AEP (AEP is a wonder worder... This is NOT merely calcium)
- 2 garlic capsules daily (or one live clove daily)

To research each of these simply google search the term and add "benefits" and you will find lots of information. Also this formula helps with circulation problems. Circulation in the legs for instance is helped by using this formula.