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Posted by Debbie (Australia ) on 10/13/2013

I came across a wonderful article I'd like to share. It is from a Retired Heart Surgeon of 25 years experience. He says that heart disease is actually caused by INFLAMMATION of the arteries. Take away the inflammation - and the cholesterol can move through the arteries freely. He goes on to say that wheat, grains and omega 6 in the diet are causing the problems. He also says that he low fat, low cholesterol diets are a mistake because the brain needs the cholesterol and saturated fats.

This is exactly what Dr. William Davis is saying in his book. Get the wheat and grains out of the diet. It is the major cause of most ailments today.

Here is the article:

Replied by Dave
(Fountain Inn, Sc)

To Debbie from Australia,

Just one correction on your comments on the excellent article you cite by Dr. Dwight Lundell. Lundell in the article does NOT attack real whole wheat bread, like our forefathers ate. In fact, he asserts we must get back to those whole grains like our grandparents used. He is opposed to "highly refined carbohydrates" and uses sugar and white flour as the prime examples.

It is whole wheat where most people get what little NATURAL Vitamin E they do get, which is essential to keep the arteries from becoming tacky and therefore not prone to pick up fats which adhere to the walls of the arteries and become oxydized thus ... Inflamamed which is, Dr Lundell says, the real cause of heart disease.... Not a low fat diet. He decries a low fat diet, in fact.

I hold to the 50 year old theory that inflamation itself is caused by oxydizing oils and toxic refined carbs sticking to tacky artery surfaces. This concept was first introduced by Canadian doctors, brothers, the Shutes who argued that stealing the germ out of the wheat and other grains to give them shelf life, took the very life out of the grain, the part of the grain that made the human system work properly.

If you don't eat whole grains, you need to get your Vitamin E (natural and not synthetic) from pill form.

The current attack on "wheat" is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Yes, eliminate refined flours, but do consume the whole grains. If you feel you must get rid of all grains then supplement with the Vitamin E tablet. At least 200 IUs daily of d-alpha tocopherol. I take 800 IUs and have for 30 years.

Best of health,


Replied by Prioris

China has done thousands of studies on fibrolytic enzymes and found that they prevent heart attacks and strokes. Cholesterols in arteries is what keeps people from dying from the inflammation. As an aside, people with ME/CFIDS/CFS have chronic blood coagulation caused by a primary microbe infection.

Replied by Debbie T.

Dave, good luck in finding the wheat our forefathers used to eat. It has been modified and hybridized to the point of being unrecognizable today.

If you believe that wheat is the only option for vitamin E then you really need to study more.. Is Vitamin E the only reason you can think of to keep eating wheat? Herbs, nuts, vegetables are all good sources. 2 slices of Wholegrain wheat raises the blood sugar level higher than a can of soda or a candy bar which in turn is the cause of huge weight increases in EVERYONE today. Look around you at the shopping centres and tell me that people are getting healthier by eating whole grains. How many peole eat nothing but wholegrains and keep putting on weight.

You only have to see the people on this type of eating plan to see the health benefits.

Here is a man who lost over 100 lbs in one year and probably saved himself from a heart attack in the process. His diabetes is nearly under control and he is now running marathons.

Anyone doubting that wheat/grain/gluten free is healthier just look at this amazing man.

His story is repeated hundreds and hundreds of times even in people who are over 60 and 70. They have even got rid of lifelong pain and arthritis.

Replied by Dave
(Fountain Inn, Sc)

To Debbie from Australia:

Concerning grain usage, my comment to you was that your link to Dr Dwight Lundell's article to support your criticism of wheat consumption, in fact did not support your position.

My point was that your assertion that wheat is bad was not what Lundell said in his article. He actually endorsed the idea of getting back to basic foods that are not refined such as higly refined wheat and other foods that do not resemble what we had a hunded years ago. He spoke of it as "what our grandparents" would have eaten.

You responded to my post. You misquote me. I did not say as you asserted "If the only place where you think you can get Vitamin E is from wheat then you need to study more. " I never made such an assertion. And then you site sources like nuts etc. Which one can get E. You also misstate me when you next say, "Is Vitamin E the only thing you can think of to keep eating wheat?" Well, that's not what my concern was; an advocacy for the benefits of wheat; it was a warning to supplement with E if one decided to quit whole wheat. But there ARE other benefits of grains(ruffage, and minerals for instance and B vitamins). And perhaps benefits that have been given to the billions of people over thousands of years who have consumed hybridized grains for essential life giving sustenance. Benefits we don't know about. I eat "Ezekiel 4:9" bread mainly. And I eat buckwheat pancakes. There may be things in the grain that one cannot get elsewhere. But the name "Ezekiel 4:9" is derived from the Scripture that names all the grains that God would bless his people with.

However, my original post was not to advocate for whole grain wheat except to say that that is where most Americans get what little E that do get, so IF you don't eat any Whole wheat then supplement. Vitamin E is vital in protection from arterial disease. So if you do get rid of wheat then supplement for needed E. (Lundell's thrust was to show the damage from "over refined foods" such as flour and sugar which causes inflamation. And he decries bad oils. His thrust was NOT an anti wheat campaign but rather anti anything "highly refined" and one of those highly refined items is often highly refined wheat.)

My major point was: If you get rid of wheat, then supplement with a natural Vitamin E capsule or two.

That was my main idea. IF you get rid of WW then supplement. I suggested Vitamin E caps of at least 200. You can get Vitamin E from other edible sources. I did not say you couldn't but its just hard get to 200 or 400 iu a day of E from spinach/nuts etc. (You seemed so intent on attacking me for saying something "nice" about whole grain wheat, that you imput to me things I did not say.)

In your follow up post you said also that wheat was "modified and hybridized"... Well yes, for millenia wheat has been hybridized. That's what durum is. There are thousands of wheat hybridized varieties in the world. All grains are and have been. Nothing is wrong with that. Man-made hybrids of grains goes back thousands of years.

You further think that wheat is GMO modified as you imply. (You used the word modified. Corn is GMOd to death; We know that. ) As of 2013, there is no marketing of GMO wheat, thank God. Monsanto has test fields. But so far we are safe from that disaster.

And then you say whole wheat bread has the same glycemic level as a sugared drink. Whole wheat? I was taken back at that. On the glycemic chart I have, whole wheat and all whole uncracked grains are LOWEST on the chart, and cracked wheat shows the middle range on the index and refined the highest. (When you just have the refined endosperm, that is the highest. ) I'm a good self indicator of glycemic index being borderline myself, having drunk "swee tea" and other sugars all my life until fifteen years ago. If I get sugar at night my legs begin to "crawl" within thirty minutes. If I eat a supposed non sugar snack, and then feel that agitation in my legs I know that the snack had sugar in it. Just experienced that in fact with the purchase of a jar of Almond Butter. Checked the label and there it was: Sugar added. And my body is VERY sensitive that way. Even the slightest sugar can elevate my sugar and cause the agitation; especially sensitive at night. But no such reaction if I consume a piece of ww toast, with a little olive oil as a night snack.

Thankfully, I've gotten rid of "cravings" which plagued me all my life by adjusting the hypothalymus... Now no sugar cravings. Free of that demon.

I got back from a trip to Eastern Europe; Albania and Romania last January. The whole grain "staff of life" is a mainstay in their diets as it has been for centuries. Western refined processes are only recently infiltrating. There was not the western type obesity there. It is not the grains that is the problem. It is the refining... Just as Dr. Lundell said in his article.

Replied by Debbie T.

Hi Dave

I was not trying to attack you. Sorry if it seemed that way. We are all here trying to get our health back. There are many people on this site who have tried everything and are still getting sick. Many with inflammatory diseases. I was just sharing.

Dr. Lundell in the article said and I quote: "The injury and inflammation in our blood vessels is caused by the low fat diet recommended for years by mainstream medicine."

He goes on "What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods. "

When he says "flour" that would mean "wheat" and all associated products would it not? Also he mentions the oils that many processed foods today are being cooked in. Look at the ingredients lists of foods today.. many list "wheat" not flour.

One point about wheat or flour, if you like, is that it raises the blood sugar levels (as do most grains). Dr William Davis says that 2 slices of even whole wheat bread or white raises the blood sugar to the equivalent of eating a can of soda or even a candy bar. That is only 2 slices of bread.

Dr. Lundell also says when you spike your blood sugar level several times every day it is like taking "sandpaper to the inside of your delicate blood vessels" hence inflammation occurs.

Dr. Lundell said when the inflammation is gone, cholesterol can move freely around the body as nature intended. He advocated removal of inflamatory foods (which includes flour)..

Conclusion: Our diet is causing inflammation on a daily basis and we need to get rid of the causes.

If anyone is interested go to the facebook page of "johnpokocky" & look at his photos-Amazing health transformation (nothing to sell there).

People going grain/gluten free have had lifelong pain disappear, arthritis and many, many other immflamatory diseases vanishing. Even chronic gum inflammation is vanishing and no more bleeding gums.

Anyway people can research this for themselves and hopefully provide their own feedback.

I know there are people who have been it this site for a long long time and are still unwell.

Replied by Debbie T.

Dave, I never said the wheat was GMO. I said modified and hybridised.

"So why has this seemingly benign plant that sustained generations of humans suddenly turned on us? For one thing, it is not the same grain our forebears ground into their daily bread. Wheat has changed dramatically in the past fifty years under the influence of agricultural scientists. Wheat strains have been hybridized, crossbred, and introgressed to make the wheat plant resistant to environmental conditions, such as drought, or pathogens, such as fungi. But most of all, genetic changes have been induced to increase yield per acre. Such enormous strides in yield have required drastic changes in genetic code. Such fundamental genetic changes have come at a price."

Replied by Mike 62
(Denver, Colorado)

Debbie: Yes you are absolutely right. Your explanation is excellent and very inspiring. I spent 6 years trying to get well before I got well. The diseases got into my brain and made me stupid. I wasn't able to put 2 thoughts together in a straight line. Eventually I stumbled across two solutions. One was experimentation. I have taken moomiyo from Tadjikastan and he sho wu from China. The second was to evaluate what well people and animals eat. People are good at making things like telescopes to study stars and animals are good at food. Park Rangers discovered over 400 plants in the intestines of a deer. He does not eat crackers that contain hydrogenated oils. The longest lived animal in the world eats mostly marine phytoplankton and some tiny sea creatures. A 54 year old Tarahumara India had the best time in a 100 mile race at 10, 000 ft. He eats mostly corn and beans. 70, 80, and 90 year old Himalayans drink raw goat milk kefir and glacial water and eat sprouts. When the best long distance runner in America finishes a race he collects his first place trophy, eats a bunch of bananas, walks over to his competitors and says lets run a 6 mile cool off. Raw fermented skate liver oil gave the vikings the strength and smarts to navigate the north atlantic in small one masted sailing vessels. The solution is in the food. The best foods have the best remedies.

Replied by Debbie T.

An excellent video presentation by Dr William Davis on wheat today and it's effects on the body. Cheers

Replied by Debbie T.

Thank you Mike. What you are saying is absolutely inspiring as well. You figured it out yourself. I would hesitate to add the 54 year old in India probably had non modified corn. I now eat grass fed meats from a local farmers market and grow some herbs which I am adding to. I am thinking of getting my own chicken and just feeding it herbs and grass (the way they should be fed). The guy at my farmers market who sells eggs, feeds them grains thinking that was healthy. What chicken eats corn? He is reading the book now and looking for herbs to grow to feed his chickens.

Replied by Timh
(Ky, Usa)
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I saw a documentary a fews yrs back about the futile effort for poultry especially, but livestock farmers in general, in some eastern European country, to continue using probiotics as feed supplement instead of pharmaceutical grade, gov recommended antibiotics. Big pharma's aggressive marketing rolls independent choices or practical benefits.

Hydrogen Peroxide or Colloidal silver can also be used in ag in place of chemical antibiotics at much less cost in production.

Replied by Brian
(Sth Aus, Australia)

Hi Debbie. I'm agreeing with you. I recently I read a recorded account of a meeting between the Persian and Ethiopian kings in the fifth century B.C., that I think you will quite enjoy, and this is my condensed version:

The Ethiopian king was informed how wine was made and drank some for the first time and found it delicious. He then inquired of the Persian what they ate and how old they lived. The Persians cultivated wheat and the king said they ate bread (and obviously drank wine) and lived to 80. The Ethiopian king then said he was not surprised that anyone who ate “dung” should die so soon and if it were not for the wine, they would probably die even sooner. The Persian then asked the Ethiopian the same question and was told they ate boiled meat, drank milk and lived to 120.

Fast forward 2500 years and it seems to me that the more things change, the more they stay the same. We still eat the same “dung”, just modified varieties so that farmers can produce higher yields to appease the consumer demand for low prices, and we still only average living to 80.

The Ethiopians were doing everything right back then, a high fat, high protein diet and the milk wouldn't even have been pasteurised. Ethiopians now average 60 – and these days, lots of sourdough flatbread is pretty much a staple. Say no more.

Except for an average of 3 slices of wholemeal bread per day, I have been on a low carb, high protein, high fat diet for nearly 6 months and at 5'7, 57kgs and 57yo, feeling pretty darn good. I offset the carbs in the bread with high protein. Bacon and eggs for breakfast is just not right without toast.

Also, there is about 3 times more vitamin E in one egg than there is in one slice of bread. I often contemplate having a few chooks roam around my backyard, too. The soil in the backyard is dizzy with worms, they'd love it. So yes, chooks eat meat too, so tell your egg market guy to include meat scraps in their diets.


Replied by Trudy

What chicken eats corn? All of them. Corn fields are the best place for hunting turkey, grouse, partridge, quail---all birds eat grain of all sorts. All corn may be gmo, but don't kid yourself that your chickens will be healthy if all you feed them is herbs and grass. They eat bugs, too, so they aren't vegetarian. How about doing some research before you get chickens and harm them by feeding them the wrong thing.

Replied by Debbie T.


Chickens do eat seeds (and bugs) of course there is nothing wrong with seeds fed to chicken. I realise they eat worms or other things. Most chickens do not run around in corn fields, not where I am from anyway. I did not mean taking away healthy seeds which they will find in a field anyway in addition to what you feed them.

Most corn today is GMO. Please research GMO and you will know that it stops mineral absorption into the body. You may care to eat it at your peril.

Here is a article of someone who successfully is raising grain free fed chickens. It can be done and it is soo much healthier for the chicken and the people eating the eggs from them.

See the article below of what happened to pigs stomachs when fed GMO food (not specifically corn). It turned their stomachs to "mush". Mice fed GMO food also ended up with huge tumors all over their body.

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Posted by Johnboy (Arkansas) on 12/28/2013

Straight EDTA, taken orally, will help open blood flow. The best product I know is DC Labs EDTA 625 mg. Also, one of the best heart and circulation products I've found, based upon Linus Pauling's research, is The Pauling Therapy Essentials Formula, which is basically high vitamin C, Lysine, and Proline with other ingredients which make it one of the most complete products out there and yet one of the most affordable. You can do a lot of study on Pauling's research, and I have, and I take these formulas myself and have been helped by them.

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn)

HI U JOHN BOY, , , , , , , , graduated from Crossett Ar. High in '54 . Linus Pauling wrote my freshman chemistry book at Ga Tech. You need to research some more as oral chelation is worthless. An anal suppository is a little better, but not in the league with an EDTA Chelation I have had over 60 in the last 5 years. Carotid arteries went from over 50 % plugged to less than 10 %. Heart artery pluggage is zero at age 77. I know that I.V. Chelation works. Who told you that oral chelation works?

Not trying to rain on your parade, but where do you get your facts? Most folks on this site have been down few dusty trails and will tolerate questionable questions, but some like me, do not accept questionable facts. You can do folks harm if you are shooting from the hip.

There is lots of good information on this site but you can't accept all that is written, and I don't accept yours. Please ease my mind.

===========OLE ROBERT HENRY=============

Replied by Prioris

One of the problems with Paulings recommendation is that some people can't take a lot of vitamin C. EDTA will leach minerals from your body. These methods were very useful until the advent of fibrolytic enzymes.

EDTA and Pauling protocol has been obsoleted with fibrolytic enzymes like nattokinase. It just needs to be taken on empty stomach. besides being more convenient and less expensive, it does not leach minerals from your body.

Replied by John
(Atlanta, Ga)

I have just started learning about IV therapy, but it seems to be a real miracle way to get 100% absorption of nutrients.. I feel a person that can't afford IV therapy needs to be bold and learn to self administer IVs. A person must carefully study how to administer an IV. Be bold and self administer. Don't be afraid. You and your wife can learn to admister IV therapy. It is not that dangerous. I have not researched, but veins are missed by those professionals administering all the time and everyone always lives. It is not as dangerous as medical field would make you think.

I was given an IV the other day by a senior paramedic and I watched as a small air bubble went into my vein. Then when he pulled the IV blood went everywhere. I mean it sprayed and he failed at both ends of it. He allowed an air bubble in during connection of IV and then he allowed blood spray when pulling it out. Double F, F (failure, failure). I lived and no harm no foul. Just learn to not allow huge amounts of air into the blood stream and you will be safe. Keep everything clean. Learn all the dangers. And make sure you get quality product and do your home work on mixing the IV safely. And get the IV fluid from a trusted alternative source, or learn to make your own.

I heard a Doctor recently say, a couple can learn to self adminster IV therapy and remove a huge cost burden.

Also, consider Glultathione IV for MS and Parkinsons. Two sources I'm hearing are having excellent results.

Replied by Bobbi

Hi John,

Your information is appreciated! We had IV Chelation (12 visits) for my husband, but couldn't afford to continue.
Could you give details on how to obtain such as glutathione, etc, to self administer?

Any info would be appreciated! I would also like to know how to find the special enzymes to dissolve plaque.

EDTA Chelation
Posted by Lauren (Queens, Ny) on 03/13/2012

Hi Sjt from Japan... What is Edta and where do I purchase it? I have a similar problem and just as you said I used the same things that you use but they only helped to an extent. You just don't feel 100%. Please let me know asap. Thank you so much.

Replied by Debbie
(Melbourne, Australia)

You have to be careful with EDTA because it also will chelate the essential metals and minerals from your body leaving undesirable ones behind. Of course please research this yourself but I would be wary.

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Posted by Sjt (Kanto, Japan) on 03/12/2012

EDTA chelation pills work. I have a family history of heart disease so now in my early 40`s I started showing signs of about to have a heart attack. I got a pressing feeling on my chest that radiated down my left arm, sometimes it would hurt to the extent I couldn`t walk and my brain got all fuzzy. My family wanted to take me to ER but I didn`t want to go because my dad has seen many of his friends with heart problems get bypass surgery and still die of the heart condition or come out of surgery worse. He told me that the drugs & surgeries are expensive quick fixes that don`t last. So I started doing research and ordered EDTA. While I waited for its delivery I took emergency care.

1) I took cayenne pills and

2) I drank hot peppers, garlic, lemon, and honey in hot water while

3) I did deep breathing techniques and

4) a cardiologist previously showed me if I thought I was about to have a heart attack to lean forward, hold my breath, and give myself a huge bear hug as long as I could.

These 4 things gave me some relief but they did not take away all the pressure and pain. They just eased the symptoms. Next, I took and continue to take hawthorn. This increased my relief but still I was not healed. I was still feeling some pressure and pain but not as much.

Finally my EDTA order arrived and that did the trick. All the pain and pressure left and has not returned. However, after it left I also decided to make major changes in my diet to prevent the condition from returned. So now I don`t eat meat or oils other than coconut or a little olive oil. I eat NO processed or GMO foods. I do eat some eggs. I avoid canned foods and I avoid putting foods in plastic. I also changed my cookware to ceramic and iron--natural cookware. No more teflon coated stuff or aluminum. I have at least one salad a day and I cook my own food so I know what is being used. And I feel GREAT!!

Replied by Dwilliams

Where do you get your edta and what brand is it and what dosage did you take?

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn Usa) on 05/23/2010


Did my heart cathether Friday and was told my veins are clear.No kidding and after no less than 50 EDTA Chelations. I thought Chelation did not work. I have no plaque, but my Heart guy says I need to get on a statin drug. At 73 and no plaque and eating lard with every meal since I's a red neck Southerner, why would I want to mess up a good thing.

Peoples, yo local doctor is worse than your used car salesman. Now have 4 doctors. 3 know who the Lord is and the heart guy thinks he is God. He did tell me that I have hardening of the arteries. He got the ass when he found out that I was doing Chelation. Now that I have no
plaque, what is he going to say now?

In the Chelation Clinic , I have talked to over 300 folks and none go to a Cardiologist any more. They have all had by -
passes ,stints , etc. and now all just do chelation to keep their vessels open.

Before you do a by-pass, check into EDTA Chelation.

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Ten Usa)

HI U BOYS AND GIRLS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Don't have many words of wisdom for you since my latest heart episode. It appears that the Japanese herb to thin my blood is working as my vitals are bettern ever. My Cardiologist was disappointed that my vessels are all open. He still wants me to go on a Statin Drug , which I will not. He still says EDTA Chelation does not work ,but I know better.

Got a wild hair and had the CEDSA procedure the other day. The technician said I was consumed with parasites and most were in my heart. She prescribed a Detox based on the electrical frequency of these buggers. I know that is so from reading Hulda Clark's book. I will do this along with using Clark's electrical Zapper.

Am dropping my Anti-Aging Doctor as she is begining to be consumed by her ego. When you catch Doctors in a lie, then you need to move on. Wish I had some words of wisdom but I still got lots to learn. Thought I would be smart at age 65 , but did not make it. Set new goal at 75 and appears that will not happen either.

If I get out of this health hole , I'll share it with you'uns, which is East Tennessean for you.

=======ROBERT HENRY==========

Replied by Denise
(Finger , Tn)

Mr. Henry, Where did you get your EDTA Chelation done? I'm in W.TN and have been looking to have the CT done? Thank you and glad that you are doing well!

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn Usa)

There is an organization call ACAM which most Chelation doctors belong. Look up that site to find the nearest one to you. I go to Dr Holiday in Athens, Tn. Dr Holliday is a Thoracic Surgeon who got tired of cutting off patients limbs because of poor circulation. He still does surgery, but receives his joy by keeping them healthy. Henry is my middle name which my mother used when she had the ass at me.

Replied by Denise
(Finger, Tn)

Thank you, I have a name and will phone this morning.

Replied by Deb
(Waterloo, Ia)

My mom went to McDonnell (sp)Center in Kansas city, Mo in the 70's for chelation and it worked. She is 82 and no heart blockages.

Replied by Anthony
(Houston, Texas)

I haven't done EDTA chelation. But, I've heard great things about it, including from my dad who is a retired EENT guy in his mid-seventies.

However, there is a doctor out of California I have a lot of respect for, and whose newsletter I received for a number of years. His name is Robert Rowen. I let the newsletter lapse about 1 1/2 years ago, but not before reading about his excitement of an EDTA suppository that someone had come up with. Apparently, it's so very much cheaper than an IV regimen, has a 30-something % absorption rate, and stays in the system for an extended period of time - I beleive it's about 8 hours. Dr. Rowen was recommending it over IV chelation. If anyone wants me to look up the product, please reply and let me know.

Replied by Simon
(Boston, Ma)

Hi there, I was diagnose With C H D 2 years ago, chest pain, not able to walk, shortness of breath, hbp, hi choI and arteries plaques, I was prescribe the standart medication. At the same time I tried EDTA CHELATION for few months, my cholesterol was in the borderline, I changes my diet and took all kind of supplements I also squesed grapefruit every morning with 2-3 fresh clove of garlic together (crushed) for quite few months, but the blockage seem to still be there, I also took the C- therapy (Linus Pauline Therapy) for 3 months. I feel better more energies, no chest pain, able to walk over a mile without short breath but in my last visit the stress echo test and the results of blood work were not encouraging and my Doc want me to have the surgery asap, (I did not tell him I stoped the statin drug).

I must missed something, can you help me? Regards

Replied by Boysha
(Victoria, Bc, Canada)

If I may contribute to this. I am 55 - I had 2 heart attacks in 1996. I was one of the people who wanted to find alternative treatment and not go under the knife first. I did Chelation Therapy in Toronto - done by Dr. Hui. However, as soon as he introduced Plaquex (intro-venus) I started to feel much, much improvement. You can find facts on Plaquex here:

I also changed my diet because if you keep on doing what you always did, it will not be possible for you to get better for long. I reduced meat to minimum and eat mostly vegetables and fruit. I drink pure water 4L per day. I take Turmeric , Sage, Q10, Vitamin E 1600/day... There is no one treatement that is enough.

I hope this helps.

Replied by Rsw
(Uniontown, Oh)

Hi Robert Henry,

Just wondering how you are feeling after the weekend? Since the chelation therapy has pretty much cleaned out your arteries, I imagine it was a heart rhythm or electrical glitch. You did good, my friend, with your choices of self treatment! Hope you are taking it a little easier than usual for a while and eating the just rewards of all your (and your tractor driver's) hard work this summer. Take care.

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile , Tn)

HI U Rsw, , , , , , , , , , , ,

See my local doctor tomorrow to get a report on the EKG they took Friday. All my blood work is probably the best I've ever had. My CRP is low so I'm eat up with inflammation. I really don't have a clue how to address that. I am taking Beta Glucan to build my immune system in addressing my blood cancer.

I go Thursday to have a stress test done and will let the cardiologist interpret that. He's a big transplanted Texan, and we do the hand jive. I think you are right about this being an electrical problem and I will try to get him to address it with naturals and not rat poison.

An interesting story..... retired guy in one of my chelation groups had an electrical problem and his cardiologist told he could only live if had a pace maker. He whole life revolved around rebuilding old classic cars and this would end that because of the emf's associated with being close to running engines. He came to my chelation doctor, who told him his electrical heart problem was his electrolytes. He straightened that out and the old codger went back to rebuilding old cars. Is life interesting or what?

Thank you for your concern.=====ORH====

Replied by Rsw
(Uniontown, Oh)

Hi Robert Henry,

I've been reading that a low CRP means low inflammation, so maybe yours is good! Saw this table on the Life Extension site that may be of interest if you still feel it is high. CRP in men is suggested to be .55 or lower, in women 1 or lower.


Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn.)

HI U Rsw, , , , , , , , , , , , , it appears that I misread and your are right about a low CRP result means low inflammation. I thank you. Maybe I'll live to 92 after all.

There are some researchers that say heart disease correlates with inflammation and not cholesterol.



Cholesterol is a conspiracy to get your money. Cholesterol protects. It may be a result of crummy arteries, but removing it makes people have strokes and heart attacks. See the stats.

Replied by Rsw
(Uniontown, Oh)

Hi Robert Henry,

What good news! I follow Dr. Duane Graveline and his legion of doctors who believe inflammation is THE cause of heart disease. Our bodies need cholesterol to function properly, especially our brains and hearts. The FDA recently stated that the cholesterol in the food we eat has little to no effect on our blood cholesterol levels, after practically ruining the egg and beef industries in the past. (although some high cholesterol foods may cause inflammation, like beef because of glycation and acidic issues) Cholesterol is said to be like a fireman at a fire. It repairs and is present in areas of damage done by inflammation and but does not cause it. Statins, by blocking cholesterol, CoQ10, dolichols and other pathways that are essential to our health along the mevalonate pathway, can cause all kinds of problems like CHD, muscle and nerve problems, and dementia in the future for those people who follow doctors orders, while they get about a 1% lower risk of a heart event over many years, and this 1% advantage occurs only in men who have had a previous event.

So you are doing a darn good job managing your inflammation and we all look forward to many more years of benefitting from your advice on health, gardening, and generally using our common sense. You are a gem, and I have a feeling your wife is, too!


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Posted by Connie (Slc, Utah, Usa) on 02/06/2013

For reduction of amyloid plaques in the heart, consider EGCG, an extract of green tea.

The B vitamins, specifically, B12, B6, and Folate, may also help to stop amyloid plaque build up in general. Extra B12, in a sublingual form, may be more effective than the amounts in a B complex.

Flaxseed Powder

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Posted by P. Raghavan (Virudhunagar, TN, India.) on 11/04/2021


A metabolic disorder occurs when the metabolism fails and causes the body to have either too much or too little of essential substances needed to stay healthy. According to the two articles available in the net titled "Metabolic syndrome - Cleveland clinic" and "Metabolic syndrome - Systems and causes - Mayo clinic", metabolic syndrome is defined as collection of risk factors that chances of developing

1) cardiovascular disease

2) Stroke due to blockage and

3) Diabetes.

Our digestive system has both probioc (good) microbes and bad microbes. Probiotic microbes use soluble fibers as food and bad microbes use sugar as food. There is a video available in the net, titled "Vitamin K2 - What is it? Does it remove plaque" by Brewer. According to this video, Vitamin K2 guides calcium in the blood to its final destinations, bones, teeth, nails, etc. If the production of Vitamin K2 is very low in the body, calcium in the blood will deposit in the wrong areas such as arteries, lungs, etc. Some strains of probiotic microbes synthesize Vitamin K2 from the food we consume. If the count of these microbes is low, Vitamin K2 production in the digestive system will also be low.

For my blockage problem, I started taking 2 to 3 teaspoons of flaxseed powder per day. Flaxseed powder is a prebiotic food that is rich in soluble fiber, omega 3 and antioxidants. In two to three month period, I saw improvements in my blockage problem. One may take this prebiotic food if they have blockage problem. There is nothing to loose.

Best wishes.

P. Raghavan.

Garlic, Ginger

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Posted by Chalasani Ravi Abu (Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh, India) on 10/21/2012

hi, my friends, i am using last two months. i gave to my friends also, they are very happy. i read reviews also, in this connection i want give suggestion for making juice as below.

garlic you can make like paste. that paste u can put in cotton cloth and squeeze, then garlic liquid will come.... do not mixed water....

ginger also same above u have to follow.

honey u can mix after cooling only. do not put honey in the hot anytime... do not forget this.... do not mix water this do not forget.... bye

Replied by Amit
(Gurgaon, Haryana/india)

Hi, My mother has Sugar problem also along with heart blockage, please suggest me either honey with ginger, garlic is good for her.

Replied by Dave
(Seneca, SC)

For heart issues you should be on the following:
- At least 400 IUs of Natural (NOT synthetic) vitamin E (I've been on 1,000 IUs for 30 years)
- 500 mg of CoQ 10
- 500 mg of the herb Hawthorne
- Arginine, up to 5 grams daily. There are powers in this also that can be mixed with water so the solution absorbs better
- 250 mg daily of magnesium citrate
- 50 mg selenium

A writer in one of the posts above mentioned "Left for Dead" and the idea is to use naturals like c pepper and garlic. Those are good but don't leave out the essentials I list above like Vit E. Remember Dick (the writer of "Left for Dead") did die of congestive heart failure.

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Posted by Diana (Houston, Texas) on 05/17/2011

I wanted to try the formula for unclogging your arteries. The recipe calls for 1 cup of raw ACV, 1 cup of lemon juice, 1 cup of giner juice and 1 cup of garlic juice. DO I JUICE THE GARLIC AND THE GINGER TO GET THE 1 CUP OR CAN I PURCHASE THIS? I WENT TO WHOLE FOODS AND COULDN'T FIND IT. And do I simmer it down to 1 cup or 3 cups? There are 2 different versions.

Replied by Alina
(Caledon, On, Canada)

Yes, you have to juice garlic, ginger and lemons by yourself Diana, and you simmer three cups of this mixture till you get one cup. It turns blue colour during simmering but do not be alarmed, this is reaction of garlic mixed with lemon.. The blue goes away once the mixture cools down. The recipe I use calls for three cups of raw honey that need to be added to the simmered and cooled mixture. I use less honey though.

Replied by Lou G
(Elk Grove, California, Usa)

I am confused here. Do I boil Ginger, garlic and lemon juice, one cup each and reduce to one cup from a Gogol of three cups and after cooling add apple cider vinegar?? Or I need to boil Ginger, garlic, lemon and apple cider fisher a Gogol of four cups to one cup?? Also, how long this mixture be stored in refrigerator??? Another question, regarding the apple cider finance, can I just buy this from super market???

Replied by Sandy
(Lancs, Uk)

Go to the Vitamin C Foundation website, I use this protocol and it works

Replied by Dr. Nawal Mal
(Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan)

Dr. Nawal Lohana from Karachi, Pakistan. I am a heart patient and have three valve blocked and heart specialist had given the suggestion of by-pass operation but meanwhile, I am not satisfy to have an operation and I am very worried so I want to use this recepie of ginger, garlic, lemon, honey and if someone had use this recepie so please tell me for how long I have to use it and does it have any side affect?

If anyone who read this please pray for me.

Replied by Debbie
(Melbourne, Australia)

Hi Nawal

This is from the heart disease page:

12/23/2010: Vic from Los Angeles, California replies: "I have tried this recipe earlier last year after my blood pressure was on the borderline. My sister in law passed the recipe to me and made it myself. A good friend of mine brought me along with her for free heart check somewhere in Los angeles. To check if there are plaques in your arteries. I have been taking that mixture for 3 months before I did the heart check and I wasn't sure if it was effective. I am a meat lover person and ate some veggies and fruits and did a little exercise, and I was with another person who had been a vegetarian for more than ten years.. We both have the procedure done and Lo and behold.. Our score was ZERO, meaning that no plaques whatsoever in our arteries and we both are of the same age range.. Mid forties.. So I guess it really works! "

Good luck

Replied by Dr.nawal Mal
(Karachi, Sindh,pakistan)

Hi Debbie,

Thanks for your reply and I'll take this soon!

Replied by Alex
(Miami, Florida)

Hi there are several products you can take- chelation heart formulas etc... magnsium is a must for anyone with heart problems liquid or gel/oil is best as always with me quality is number 1.

Replied by Tony
(Kumasi, Ghana)

Please I want to know if I can go ahead using only garlic, ginger and lemon to make the preparation since I am not able to get ACV in my country. Any help??

Replied by 3rdborn
(Carlisle Township, Ohio)

Tony, I do not believe that it will work without the apple cider vinegar (ACV) as that is the most important ingredient that clears the arteries. It is very inexpensive, perhaps you can purchase it online.

Replied by Zaheerhusain
(Delhi, Delhi/delhi/india)

If you look Apple Cider Vinegar should be available in some store otherwise it will take only 2-3 months and you can easily make it at home. Just extract fresh juice with the juicer machine from any apple you find sweetest and having higher content of juice, fill up clean glass bottles with this juice, tie up clean white cloth on top and let it remain in a dry dark place for 2-3 months remove the upper scum or filter with clean cotton cloth. This Scum you can keep as starter, which will help the next batch to start quickly other wise there is no need of any starter , the spores are there in the atmosphere Your ACV is ready and is better in a sense that it is unprocessed and the commercial variety you get from the stores is processed and may be little less effective. I don't think you can skip this from the formula of 5 items.



Gum Disease and Heart Connection

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Posted by Starr (Hawaii) on 01/27/2020

I recently got an antibiotic resistance test from my new periodontist which consisted of sticking paper tabs under my gums and sending it off to a lab ($125/500 depending on who does it for you). It came back registering a deadly toxin called fusobacterium nucleatum which is found in many post mortem alzheimers patients and cancer patients and those who have died of heart attack.

Get your gums checked immediately.

The problem was compounded by a recent discovery that this and other bacteria are always fed by a viral component. I was treated with anti virals for ten days followed by gum surgery followed by metronidazole since after 10 years of failed antibiotic protocols someone finally decided to test me for anti biotic resistance even though my gum health was in decline for a long long time. My health was better for a while. Went for follow up surgery and flew home on the metronidazole which landed me in the ER because it is contra indicated with high altitudes, messes up liver enzymes. Don't fly while taking Flagyl/Metronidazole.

My naturopath has me looking into the Marshall Plan. Will keep you guys updated.


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Posted by Mike (Montreal, Quebec) on 11/11/2011

You can look up and find that HAWTHORN is the best remedy that would keep your hearth very healthy. I know because I have always experienced hearth pain on a regularly basis which I found out in the end it was because of to much cholesterol in my system. HAWTHORN supplement can clear pain in a matter of minutes and after several months of taking this supplement I now no longer experience any more hearth pain, I am now very close to 60 years old!

Replied by Sharon

Be sure to use Cratageous Oxyacantha Tincture (Hawthorn Berry) for arteriosclerosis or atherosclerosis.

Juicing Carrots and Greens

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Posted by Jrebecca (Maiden, NC) on 01/10/2010

After two heart attacks, 3 months apart, my husband and I diligently researched for natural helps to keep arteries clear. He has done a great deal but we feel, after much research and use, that daily either juicing with carrots and one quarter greens of some type or using a top quality green powder drink is vital. There is no doubt in our minds that green food which has not been heated to kill enzymes cleans arteries. Of course he has done and does much more. But if we could only do one thing, it would assuredly be to drink green! It has been 8 years now since those two heart attacks and he is currently on no medications and feels great.


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Posted by Trinitas (Wichita, KS) on 02/05/2015


I have had elevated blood pressure and minor angina this winter. Began taking l-arginine and it greatly helped. However, I also got a sore throat after a couple of weeks. I, then laid off the arginine and the sore throat went away. I started taking arginine with citrulline and again got a sore throat that bloomed into a full cold. I very much like the benefits of the arginine but the side effects are so far a disaster. I have taken l-lysine for a long time. Thanks to anyone who might be able to help.

Replied by Timh
2063 posts

T: The downside to big doses of Arginine is increased viral activity as well as fuel for mycoplasma infections (for those folks who have M).

This is a good example of how single nutrients have overtly one-sided effects and often fall short of treatment goals.

Standard nutrients for heart health is Hawthorn herb, Magnesium, CoQ10, Carnitine, Ribose or D-Ribose.

For more in-depth and professional help for cardio check out Dr Sinatra books and web videos.

Posted by Denise (Seattle, Wa.) on 04/01/2013

I've got a question for Bill of the Philppines ir anyone knowledgeable in the topic. I am reading "No More Heart Disease" by Dr. Louis Ignarro. He has a protocol for getting your own body to produce more Nitric Oxide (NO) and one of the supplements is L-Arginine which he recommends taking 4-6 grams per day. He says it might cause herpes in a very small percentage of people. I'm wondering if L-Arginine is OK to take as I have hepatitis c. ?? Dr. Ignarro won the Novel prise for this information.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2063 posts

Denise: Too much Arginine can cause a deficiency in Lysine. Lysine is the most prominent antiviral amino. So if you would like to try the Arginine, you can purchase Arginine/Lysine caps or tabs to remedy the imbalance.

Have you no luck curing the Hep C ??? There are about 3 different protocols here in alternative country for this disease, surely you could get good results between these.

Also other protocols for heart disease which have good results in most cases.

Let us know how your doing.

Replied by Denise
(Seattle, Wa)

HI Timh, I'm a bit confused as Oscar from this site has said that lysine is bad for hep-c. I've taken every protocsl on this site and more and nothing has worked for ny hep-c. I want to try the protocal I previoulsy suggested but wanted to know if L-Arginine is safe. Don't know what to do. Thanks again Timh, blessings

Replied by Paula
(Salt Lake City, Utah)

Note to Bill from the Philippines. I am reading the same book as Denise and would also like to know if L-Arginine is not the supplement to take with Hepatitis c? And would it also apply for Vitamin C

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2063 posts

Denise: It seems only appropriate to treat the Hep-C first... Until cured, then you could try protocols for Heart and Cardiovascular.

With a longstanding undiagnosed Chronic Active Viral Hep I was excited to have experienced some good results w/ BHT, but then I plateau. I then predosed w/ 2oz Colloidal Silver, wait 30 min, take 500mg BHT, wait 30 min take 4 caps Echinacea, all with a very much more profound effect than BHT alone.

It seems likely that the people who are not getting the positive results from BHT alone have some other immune draining condition.

Posted by Landon (Riverside, Ca) on 04/01/2010

L-Arginine won the Nobel prize in Medicine in 1998, and was found that it directly causes the body to produce nitric oxide... which causes arteries to relax and widen, melt away plaque, and heal the inner lining of the arteries themselves.

Replied by Aaron M
(Chesterland, Ohio)

Not only are properly formulated l-arginine supplements associated with better heart health, it has actually been shown now in a human clinical trial to reverse the conditions!!

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