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Tooth Infection and Tooth Abscess Remedies

Last Modified on Jan 22, 2015


Grapefruit Seed Extract   2  0   

Posted by Jen (Carson City, Nevada) on 02/12/2012

[YEA]  I have found that grapefruit seed extract kills the infection and takes away pain. After trying many home remedies including cloves and vanilla extract (which helped quickly, but didn't last), I decided to try grapefruit seed extract. I put three drops in about 1/3 cup warm water and swished for about a minute. The pain usually goes away quickly. After a few days of swishing a few times a day, the pain was gone and didn't come back for over a month. Now, I use GSE anytime I have a toothache, and it's gone within a day. I'm trying to avoid a root canal. I also need to change my bad sugar habit and eat healthier to really heal the problem.

Posted by Katrinika (Morehead City, Nc Usa) on 12/09/2010

[WARNING!]  I wish somebody had mentioned in the tooth abscess thread that grapefruit seed extract should not be used full strength in the mouth. It was one of the few items mentioned in the thread that I had in the house when at 3:00am this morning I read four pages of the thread and decided to try it as part of a poultice in a bit of gauze, which I left in my mouth until the pain from it seemed so much worse than the abscess I was trying to relieve that I got up and took it out (about three hours). I've been sick and have missed a lot of sleep over the last five months... At 3am I'm not too cogent. I didn't read the bottle. Now I've got second-degree burns in the entire left side of my mouth.. Gums and cheek. It's worse than the tooth abscess, will last longer (with tissue sloughing and probable infection), and is likely to leave significant scars. Now there's no chance that I can avoid the antibiotics. I really could have used just a tiny warning.

Posted by Nickie (Ruislip, Middlesex, Uk) on 07/15/2010

[YEA]  To those suffering tooth abscesses, I recommend Grapefruit Seed Extract. Put about ten drops in half glass of water, stir thoroughly and swish around the mouth before swallowing. Do this a couple of times before sleep and next morning - pain gone! This stuff is great as it works for sore throats, incipient colds, upset stomach and fungal infections. You can soak your athlete's feet in it, it's safe for children, takes care of diarrhea. You can dilute and use as a topical antiseptic for open wounds and I dab it neat on insect bites and a precautionary dose each morning will protect from the trots if you are vacationing somewhere the water is dubious. It is a natural anti-biotic and anti-viral and, unlike amoxycillin etc, will not kill off the friendly gut bacteria and expose you to fungal infections. In other words, it's really effective and won't hurt you and because it is good for so many things you shouldn't leave home without it. Tastes bitter of course but you can put in orange juice to mask the flavour if you are a cissie. I've used this for ten years, sung its praises to all and sundry who usually ignore me but the abcess sufferers to whom I have given some are now TRUE BELIEVERS. Nickie

Replied by Bells
Asheville, Nc
10/03/2010
Grapefruit seed extract is a natural antibiotic, so it is great for external and internal use for ANY KIND OF INFECTION. But just as with perscription antibiotics, it will kill all bacteria in a human, including the probiotics in your gut which help us all stay healthy. GSE is comparable to penicillin. So if any of you in suffering take this wonderful supplement, make sure to take high quality probiotics(perferaably enteric coated) for at least 2 months.
Replied by Jules
Denver, Colorado
10/04/2010
About grapefruit seed extract, I will definitely agree that it's a potent natural anti biotic and have used it myself for various ailments. However, everything I've read points to the fact that it does no harm to the healthy flora found in our bodies. I do agree that a dose of probiotics is always good as well! :)

Homeopathy   1  0   

Posted by Ann (Folsom, Ca) on 10/08/2012

[YEA]  I am a 36 year old who started getting a severe tooth ache 2 days ago and didn't want to take the usual pain killers and stumbled upon mercurius solubis on the internet. Tried it and felt 80% relief. Today I went to the dentist. Took x ray and found that my left upper wisdom tooth has a cavity and has decayed and there is a pocket of infection. I am scheduled to see an oral surgeon. I don't want to take the antibiotics that she prescribed. So I am trying to do the Garlic tx as so many people has suggested and see if it will work for me. I will keep you posted.

Replied by Ian
London
06/04/2014
So as we haven't heard back from you do we take it it didn't work?

Honey   2  0   

Posted by Sandy (sandhya) (Bangalore, Karnataka) on 08/17/2009

[YEA]  I took a couple of teaspoons of raw honey in my mouth and kept swishing it around for 20 minutes (procedure same as oil pulling), and the spat it out and rinsed my mouth. Voila! Toothache gone immediately!!

Posted by Jarrod (Fillmore, CA) on 01/18/2008

[YEA]  Apparently, there are three types of sugar. Glucose, fructose and sucrose. Sucrose is the only kind of sugar which is detrimental to the strength of your teeth. The other two turn out to be good. They trap bacteria and do other good stuff. I don't know all of the technical, scientifical (I know it's not a word, but it should be) theory behind it all, but I have tried this remedy myself and it works! I had a sore tooth for months. I had to stop rinsing my mouth out with hydrogen peroxide because the pain was unbearable. I bought some local honey and started eating a lot (two tablespoons with my coffee in the morning and more here and there when I had the time. Up to probably 10 tablespoons a day. I like honey, so this was easy. I don't think you need that much though. I also chewed on some honey comb that was in the jar. Not sure if that helped either, but it was a good gum substitute. Anyway, my pain is completely gone now and I can rinse with hydrogen peroxide! God bless!

Hydrogen Peroxide   5  0   

Posted by Tom (Windy City, Illinois) on 12/23/2011

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  I had a tooth /gum infection of an upper jaw molar (not the back one) that caused swelling on the left side of my face up to my eye including swelling the eye partially shut. I got prescriptions for antibiotics which brought the swelling down but still left what appears to be a bump abscess on my gum which would cause the tooth to become sore also.

The antibiotics clearly were not working to get rid of the abscess, so earlier today I tried injecting 3% hydrogen peroxide (no stabilizer) at several locations in the gum (2-5ml) in and around the abscess. Warning - doing this will really hurt like hell when actually injecting the hydrogen peroxide, especially the first few injections when the hydrogen peroxide is actually killing the infection under the gum but it seems to have removed almost all the abscess infection - there is little or no soreness from it now - however the area is somewhat sore from all the syringe pokes as I type - I'll have a better idea tomorrow if the infection is completely cleared up when the gum heals some but it's feeling much better already.

I don't know if injecting hydrogen peroxide is 'safe' so I can't recommend it for others, but it definitely seems to have the potential to stop at least some abscesses.

Posted by FR (NYC) on 10/01/2007

[YEA]  Hi, just wanted to share with you my cure for an infected gum -- hydrogen peroxide. Also wanted to respond to Subashini from Kuwait, because I may have an answer for her about the bad breath and oil pulling.

My story (I'll try to be brief)... got a piece of food stuck in the gum behind one of my front teeth. No matter what I did -- floss, oil pull, swish peroxide -- it didn't come out. I then went to a new dentist last week to have my teeth cleaned and the stuck particle removed. Lucky me -- the hygenist was just filling in for the day and during the teeth cleaning part, said she saw something dislodge but then "lost sight of it". Okay, fine, I thought. That night I awoke in the middle of the night with terrible bad breath. It was so bad it actually woke me up. Yes, I do have sensitive smell!! When I looked at the right front tooth the next day, I noticed that the gum was severely swollen, from the tooth to the roof of the mouth. The bad breath also persisted. I started my holistic regime of oil pulling, then later swishing with hydrogen peroxide. The oil pulling, like Subashini said, made my breath worse. YUCK! I tried swishing with sea salt. No luck. Finally I had the idea a couple of days ago to soak a cotton ball with hydrogen peroxide and then hold it (tightly) to the swollen gum for 10 minutes. I also pinched another h202 soaked cotton ball to the back side of the tooth where the piece of food had initially lodged. Interestingly, it didn't hurt, but certain areas of the gum turned white. 10 minutes later the white had disappeared. Glad to say that my bad breath smell immediately disappeared and has not returned. My gum is looking a little better. A couple more days of this (soaked h202 2x a day) and I think I will be back to 100%. I highly suggest this technique if you have a tooth abcess or swollen gums from an infection. It is the best way for hydrogen to penetrate, otherwise it just turns to foam if you swish it around in your mouth.

So Subashini, I think your issue may be an infection somewhere in your gums that the oil pulling is bringing to the surface. Infection smells like dental plaque -- quite disgusting. My suggestion is to pull up your top lip (then pull down the bottom lip) in the mirror in daylight and look for redness in your gums. If you can pinpoint an area, then soak it with hydrogen peroxide cotton ball 2x a day for a day or two. I would predict that your issue of bad breath will immediately go away, even after you oil pull.

Oh, one more thing. You will need to bend over a sink whilst holding the cotton ball to your gums and let your saliva run out. You may need to do round 2 during the same session. Most importantly, you don't want to swallow anything! Rinse well afterwards. Hope this helps someone, somewhere. All My Best,

Replied by Subashini
Kuwait, Kuwait
09/27/2007
hi, i tried oil pulling with sesame oil. i have done it for nearly 10 months not even 1 day left out. still my irregular period problem has not solved... only good thing is tartar in teeth's have disappeared... generally i do not get bad breath. after started doing oil pulling i am getting it now. once i leave oil pulling again the plaque formation started in my teeth.... if i stop oil ulling bad breath stopped... i am highly optimistic charactor.... how much i can convenince myself to continue it,,,,it is not working well.... Also by searching the cold pressed sunflower oil... i am tired too much... normal sunflower oil within one day bad breath starting.... i don't know why... whom to get guidence from which website we do interaction with experts... www.oilpulling.com is only giving fewer information.... please advise me if i am wrong... i strictly follow the instruction how to do oil pulling even though it happens to me like this..
Replied by Pureenergy
Los Angeles, Ca, US
08/14/2009
While in college I smoked (I know, very gross), but was also vain enough to keep my teeth white - LOL. I tried all the over-the-counter stuff and my dentist advised me that none of it works (this was before the whitening strip craze) because anything that's going to whiten your teeth must be on your teeth for a minimum of three minutes for any effect to take place. I discovered Hydrogen Peroxide then and have been using it for 20-years now. If you look on the label, it will tell you it can be used as a gargle or rinse when diluted. I began diluting it and brushing with baking soda by dipping a wet tooth brush into the powder then brushing my teeth - great mix. It tastes kind of nasty at first, but goes away in a few days. In my later years, I now just take a swig of Peroxide before getting into the shower and rinse it around my mouth for 3-5 minutes. It's awesome. People constantly ask me how I keep my teeth so white and I fall asleep in the dentist's chair while my teeth are getting cleaned. I'm excited to try the oil pulling next. I LOVE THIS SITE!!!
Replied by Wen
Bronx, Ny
05/19/2010
I like all the advice here, but what disturbs me is it is rare that anyone states exactly what they did. "oh, i used hydo perox" well, did you use it full strength on a cotton ball in your mouth or was it mixed 50/50 w/water? what strength hydro-perox? and the same thing with all the other touted remedies on here, it is very rare that anyone cites specifics details; it's just "i used this and this and this-and my symptoms disappeared".

i see "exact ingredients and measurements" is requested above this box, but no doubt, few read that sentence or want to bother writing out details(too much trouble).

Replied by Jr
Idaho
11/06/2014
For oil-pulling, try extra-virgin Coconut oil instead of sesame seed oil. 20 minutes and SPIT IT OUT! Don't swallow. The fats in the oil attract the bacteria... expel them.

Posted by Julie S. (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida) on 05/02/2007

[YEA]  Hydrogen Peroxide 3% solution has cured my toothache. I had a nasty cavity that was causing a lot of pain. I couldn't chew or put any pressure on my teeth on the left hand side. I read about the amazing cures with hydrogen peroxide & decided to try it. I took a shot glass and diluted it 50/50. From the first time I swished the rinse to the present, it has worked like magic! Not only has my toothache gone away, but my gums look & feel so much better! I also put hydrogen peroxide drops in my ears to prevent cold & virus. It has taken away earaches and sore throats.

Posted by Kim (Westport, MA) on 02/06/2007

[YEA]  I began using hydrogen peroxide and prohealth mouthwash to take away the pain of a lost filling as I have no dental insurance. I began to notice immediate results in pain, diminishing so I continued to gargle and swish on affected area several times a day for 3 days: ratio is 1:1 equal amounts. I still have the lost filling and on occasion when food enters and bacteria begins to grow, I swish the mixture and it cleans it out and I am good to go. I hope this helps. It sure did me!

Posted by Brandee (Longwood, FL) on 01/01/2007

[YEA]  Gargling with Hydrogen Peroxide cured my peritonsillar abscess. I would not have believed it if I read it on this site. But, I was facing a very painful procedure to drain a peritonsillar abscess and read on a different site that gargling with hydrogen peroxide sometimes helps. I did two gargles about 2 minutes apart. Less than 10 minutes later I coughed up (I know, GROSS) a whole bunch of blood and puss. Instantly my throat felt better.

Posted by Nancy (Houston, TX) on 10/31/2006

[YEA]  I had been to this site a week or so ago and remembered I had read Hydrogen peroxide was good for a mouth rinse. So when my tooth became sore and swollen I threw one capful of 3% in my mouth and also threw in a capful of water, swished it around the sore tooth and let it do its thing for a couple minutes, 2 times a day and the second day the swelling was gone and the tooth was much better! Today I don't have any pain! I thought of all the people who wont do this and who would spend hundreds of dollars at a Dentist's office instead. *SMILE*

Replied by Kt
Usa
11/30/2014
Nancy, Thank you so much for this post! I had successfully used the garlic clove and/or tea bag for a tooth abscess. After painfully flossing and trying those remedies again when I could feel another flare up, I started having pain so bad my entire jaw felt bruised. I searched this site for what else I might be able to do. I had also taken some old antibiotics and Advil.

I mixed a cap full of peroxide with a cap full of water and swished for two minutes, holding my head to one side so the mixture could "bathe" the tooth. I felt something floating around in the solution and noticed a tiny piece of tea leaf that must have gotten caught under a crown next to the tooth I suspected. I felt some relief so I did it two more times and found small "slivers" of garlic.

As I type this my pain is finally gone and I wanted you to know I am so grateful for your post.

PS: I may have spoken too soon...the jaw pain is gone but I am still having some discomfort from the abscess.

Replied by Elaine
Minnesota, US
11/30/2014
Another consideration for teeth / jaw issues is NECK! I learned this the wrong way after having a neck injury followed by much dental work 'seeking the cause'. Circulation and issues with the neck can affect jaws, also sinus, headaches and ears. Dentists and even chiropractors may not associate these issues, but I've learned from experience.

The first years, the dentist tried to find the cause by pulling a few teeth, doing root canals, etc. (wish I'd known then what I know now). The dental chair itself pressured the neck injury and compounded it. Then I 'kinked my neck' hanging a curtain, which resulted in rapid sinus swelling; I went to my chiropractor, and within hours the swelling was down. (Aha! I was learning 'everything in the head flows through the neck'! )

I just did it again - stressed my neck, ignored it and now have same-side lower jaw swollen for three days. I forgot the second issue - CIRCULATION. The best way I've found to improve this is to minimize solid food and do an infection-fighting, circulation-upping tea / liquid fast. Ginger, nettle, raspberry, turmeric, cranberry and similar (google Fire Cider) beverages.

I've learned these are not separate areas from teeth and jaw, they are part of 'the whole head'. If you're constantly suffering, please consider these:

CHIROPRACTIC / NECK - CIRCULATION

Hope that helps someone so they don't go through brutal dental work unnecessarily.

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/27/2014
Thanks Elaine, I just found your post because I didn't select "watch" here. I have had multiple head/neck injuries over the years from horses, automobile accidents, missteps on stairways or curbs in addition to ramming my head into the steel door frame of vehicles on three separate occasions. I am short and a final incident resulted in neck, to the middle of my back pain and severe nausea. An MRI revealed one of the vertebra in my neck is pressing on my spinal cord.

Years ago I had gone to a chiropractor just for sciatica but left the office in more neck pain and severe headache. I later found out the sciatica was caused by what I had been eating. Hidden sources of MSG compounded by GMO's are contributing to more ailments than is recognized and, with all due respect, physicians are being misdirected. It's frightening for me to think of what that "doctor" could have caused if I had continued to see him. He also made a fraudulent claim to Medicare.

The x-ray on two teeth revealed abscesses. After using the garlic cloves, an x-ray confirmed one abscess was no longer visible and the other was actually reduced in size.

I also use turmeric and ginger on everything in addition to making tea with either/or. They are great for treating any inflammation anywhere!!

Hydrogen Peroxide, Baking Soda   1  0   

Posted by Lynn (Vero, Florida) on 03/10/2012

[YEA]  I suffer from horrible absesses. Pain almost as bad as giving birth. I had a molar pulled 2 years ago due to one that I had left untreated.

I also gave up on comercial toothpaste. I started using ONLY baking soda to brush all my teeth. I was advised by my last periodontist to brush UP and DOWN, not side to side. Side to side brushing causes gum irritation and eventually will cause receeding. Mine have. Start at the gums and brush down ( for your bottom teeth you'll actually be brushing UP :)

I will actually wet my brush with HYDROGEN PEROXIDE, then dip into the BSoda. Now I will begin the brushing. I do this several times a day, even in the car while driving.

In conjuntction, I use those little plastic flossers found at the dollar store, as much as possible thru-out the day, in the car, at work, in front of the computer, on the phone, etc. You can HP rinse any time of the day as well. A quick swish and your done.

I have not had an absess (infection) in over 10 years since the first one. Once you get an absess, or even something as common as a toothache, your tooth may be damaged and should NEVER be ignored. Getting rid of the pain is a temporary fix. The problem is still there, and by ignoring it, you are putting yourself at risk of serious infections going in the bloodstream, and/or brain. I read of a man who died from a tooth absess finding its way into the brain. After I heard that, I stopped ignoring all tooth pain.

The general health of your entire body is connected to oral hygiene.

Bypass the Colgate. Try the BS/HP brush and wash instead... You won't regret it, you'll save alot of money, your teeth will be whiter and your overall health will be better. TRUST ME, an experienced absessor!

Hydrogen Peroxide, Glue   1  0   

Posted by Jack (Toledo, Ohio) on 11/18/2009

[YEA]  Just like thousands of other's I had 3 fillings fallout which I attribute to drinking "Mountain Dew" which at the time I had no idea it cause's teeth to lose emanel and even split or break off.!

and now just like others I have no insurance to pay the exorbitant fee's of dentist's and I knew,and felt the pain and abcess had to go ! "But how"??

Well, for the past 3 months I've had "no pain" and I filled the lost fillings with "no pain"! For the fast relief of the pain and to stop the abcess that I had I took the cotton off of a cotton swab and soaked it in 3% Hydrogen Peroxide, and put it in the cavity where the pain and abcess was,until all the pain was gone,which wasn't very long !After that,every time I shave or use bathroom I swish a small amount of HP around in my mouth(this kill's all the germs and bacteria in your mouth) "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOST FILLING'S?"

I tried some "DEN TEMP" and all it did is fall out after the first meal I had! But I got a small bottle of
gorilla glue AND put about 6-8 drops on a plastic surface, let it set until it started to harden and took a tooth pick and put some of it on the end of the tooth pick, then applied it into the cavities until each was filled,(I also found the cavity doesn't need to be dry!)it sticks just fine and I eat with the GG in and I still swish the Hydrogen Peroxide and My abcess has stopped and "I'm in "NO PAIN AT ALL"!

I fully realize I'll need treatment at some future point when I can afford it. "BUT FOR NOW I'M HOLDING MY OWN!"

Replied by Hollygolightly
Tigard, Oregon
03/29/2012
I am so glad to hear I ain't the only one trying to hold them own on the dental front! Resourceful guy - thanks for your advice. Made me feel better, too :)

Jaw Bone Infection Remedies   0  0   

Posted by Spring (Anywhere ) on 02/25/2014

Hello everybody, I am looking for a jawbone infection remedy, the dentist recommended to pull everything out, any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Replied by Debbie
Lodi, Ca
02/25/2014
Hi there, just curious if you are taking Fosamax or the generic drug for prevention of osteroporosis? A side effect of the drug is a condition called osteonecrosis of the jaw also known as jaw death. Both my mother and mother in law recently had teeth pulled due to this drug. Last spring my mothers femur broke due to this pill that was supposed to make her bones stronger! Needless to say neither women are taking this dangerous drug any longer.

Good luck to you! Sincerely, Debbie

Replied by Prioris
Fl
02/25/2014
One possible option is ozone therapy ... "Infusion of medical oxygen/ozone into infected jaw bone (cavitation)." Finding a dentist and traveling to where they may present some obstacles. I would also investigate using dmso with something else like h202 to kill infection.

The state of dentistry on this planet is horrible. Saving teeth just isn't on the agenda. When you go to a dentist, they can put you between the hard ground and a rock.

Replied by Timh
Ky, Usa
02/26/2014
It is wise to keep all body parts as much as possible. Swishing Colloidal Silver in the mouth will proly be your best first try for this infection. If this doesn't work, try swishing MMS (Miracle Mineral solution) as directed. Check Genesis II Church Of Health & Healing dot com for specifics.
Replied by Faith
Sd, US
05/02/2014
I had a root canal gone bad. I was aware of how dangerous root canals are , so I had it extracted and the dentist put a bone graft right over an hidden brewing infection that was in my jaw bone. For a couple years I suffered the following symptoms : brain fog , light and movement sensitivty, tremors, shortness of breath, wheezing , weight loss, nausea, heart palpatations, memory loss, aching joints, chronic sore throat dizziness, brain swelling burning and dry eyes, blurred vision, hives, dry heaves , rash and general weakness. Very fortuanate to have loving supportive family. I had a million tests, and saw 4 holistic dentist they did not possess the knowledge to help me . I also had ultrasound, MRI and x-ray of my jaw and the infection did NOT show up . Finally I found an expert cavitation specialist who was an expert . Who went in and simply made incisions into all the extraction dental sites, all the sites were cleaned scaped, sterlized by laser. I had a serious necrosis jaw infection the bone was mushy, Cavitation dental surgery is way easier than an extraction it seemed pretty straighforward, simple easy procedure took two pain killer for two days and I was fine. Bone infection is just the first level have it addressed now , it can turn into gangrene which is the next level and then amputation. You see the seriousness of what you're dealing with, it is an medical emergency you must have surgery there is no other way to get into the jaw bone it is a closed blood system. I wasted my time with ozone injections, and poultices that did NOT addess the serious jaw bone infection. The sooner you have it addressed the sooner you get feel better.
Replied by Teresa
Tampa, Florida
10/02/2014
What dentist did you finally go to? I had 2 roots canals removed by my biological/holistic dentist, and now am having a great deal of pain in my jawbone, neck and throat, ears, and now affecting my vision (which an opthalmologist says is 20/20 - inflammation is coming from behind the eyes). My dentist took an xray that didn't show infection, and keeps trying to send me to a naturopath for IV DMSO. Unfortunately DMSO is sulfur, and I cannot tolerate sulfur, not even sulfur foods. I don't detoxify well (50-70% impairment) due to genetic mutations, so I have to be very careful what I use or ingest. I was also recently diagnosed w breast cancer, which corelates back to those root canal teeth (thyroid & breast meridians), and also have multiple nodules on my thyroid and salivary glands. I am now on a raw food diet (sprouts & veggies, veggie juices, and some fruits). I've been a painful swollen mess for several months and don't know what to do to get rid of this infection.
Replied by Timh
KY
10/03/2014
Teresa: To help your body detox sulfur supplement Molybdenum. For the infection swish Povidone Iodine or Colloidal silver w/ added Hydrogen Peroxide drops, and do Coconut Oil pulling. For further improvement w/ the infection a Don Croft Mini Zapper will help a bunch.

As you are entering a toxic crisis I would also recommend a whole body hot bath w/ 1/4 cup Epsom Salts & 1/4 cup Borax (you will first need to take the MolyB for about 10 days because the Epsom Salts contains lots of sulfur) at least once per week. For the Cancer, reduce sodium and increase Potassium, Lipospheric Vit-C twice daily; Oil of Oregano softgels prior to retiring.

Replied by Prioris
Fl, US
10/03/2014
There is a pdf file Report #11 -> Sulfoxidation.pdf that talks about sulfite sensitivity. There may be some things you can do for it.

http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Mark+J++Donohue

Replied by Meeya
Sunnyvale, Ca
10/04/2014
Oil of oregano and olive leaf extract come to mind. Both are excellent at knocking out infections and purifying the blood.
Replied by Dianna
Cape Cod, Ma
01/09/2015
Faith in SD, I am needing to communicate with you. I am in need of cavitation surgery. Where did you have the surgery? Thank YOU! Dianna487 at comcast dot net


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