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Electrical Devices   0  0   

Posted by Ann (Brevard, N.c.) on 06/03/2014

Insomniacs need to try moving the head of their bed 1-2 ft. from the wall since electrical wiring in the walls emanate electrical fields that affect our brains/body. google: Electromagnetic Sensitivity for increasingly more info. The increase of cell phones, cell towers, computers, cordless phones, smart meters, etc. etc. is making our world population sick and sicker with time and most people aren't aware of the cause. a great site: ElectricSense (Lloyd Burrell in France) is loaded with knowledgeable blogs. This is nothing to ignore as I almost died from it 3 years ago before becoming aware. Let me know any questions out there. (Sweden so far is the only country that's determined ES (electric sensitivity) a disability , but all other countries are being controlled by the high tech and utility company big boys - it's all about money.)

Eliminate EMFs   2  0   

Posted by Michele (Los Angeles, California) on 07/15/2013

[YEA]  I read recently about the dangers of WIFI and we put a timer to turn it off automatically at night. In one night, I went from extremely poor sleep to very good sleep.

Replied by Mary
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Hi Michele: What type of timer did you use and exactly how did you connect it?


Posted by Juliana (Albuquerque, NM) on 01/15/2009

[YEA]  I have suffered from insomnia since childhood (I am now in my 30s), and it has been crippling to my life, to say the least. About a month ago, my husband and I decided to try turning off all breakers in our house at night, except for the one attached to the refrigerator. Since doing so, I have slept very well, even experiencing deep REM sleep. I have vivid dreams every night. My husband has experienced the same thing -- deep sleep, many dreams. It's worth a try if you have trouble sleeping. As I understand it, the EMFs interfere with hormones in the body. Some people are very sensitive to EMFs. I believe somebody else on this site suggested not using the computer or cell phone before bed, but my suggestion takes the idea a bit further.

Replied by Kaz
Boston, Ma
I had same issue.. Really troubled sleep, trouble getting to sleep, waking up and trouble getting back to sleep, waking before dawn and just giving up. I actually bought myself an EMF reader like the ones the ghost hunters use in order to find EMF free place in bedroom. The ONLY high EMFs were from my clock radio that I had for years. I first moved it the length of the cord away from the head of my bed and for the first time in years slept all through the night. I got rid of it and bought battery alarm clock and have in past two months only had two bad nights sleep.. Both I believe from drinking sugary and chocolately martinis!

Eliminating Wheat   1  0   

Posted by Carrie (Livonia, Mi) on 12/31/2014

[YEA]  Since giving up wheat my insomnia has completely subsided. I'm not fully gluten free, just giving up wheat has made an incredible difference in my quality of sleep and life!

Help Needed for Dog's Allergies   0  0   

Posted by Jp (Ottawa, On) on 02/16/2011

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  Regarding 5htp for insomnia: Dr. Roger Murphree recommends up to 300mg at bedtime on an empty stomach with grape juice. I found that this helped me (I started at 50mg and worked up) quite a bit. Sleep was more restful, although still broken. Daytime anxiety and tremours really subsided.

Herb Tea   0  0   

Posted by Nicholas (Edison, Nj Usa) on 09/01/2011

I've not been getting good sleep for a couple of weeks. I had no problem falling asleep, but slept only a couple hour, on and off. Very dissatisfying... left me weary.

I checked this fabulous website and saw it recommended different teas to help sleep. I found I had two ... Yoga brand "Bedtime" tea and Sunrider brand Calli "night" tea. I boiled both of them separately... 3 cups of water each pot. I slowly sipped a full cup of the Yoga tea after my evening meal, and then slowly sipped a full cup of the Sunrider during the hour before sleep.

I had a good night's sleep, had great dreams and awoke in a positive mood. Tonight I will drink only one of them to see if it's sufficient to the task.

Replied by Jc
Boston, Ma
I have and still use the Yogi Bed Time tea from time to time. I helps a little bit for me but not a significant difference. If you drink too much after 8pm it may wake you to urinate. This effect needs to be balanced with many herbal bed time teas.

I find the Nighty Night tea by Traditional Medicinals to be a biy more effective. But again, nothing dramatic, sublte and no urge to urinate at 4 AM.

Can anyone recomend any Chinese Herbs for sleep?

Honey and Cinnamon   2  1   

Posted by Bonnie (Long Beach, US) on 12/13/2007

[YEA]  I was looking on your site a couple days ago and saw a remedy with honey to help lose weight. I tried it and found that i had more energy during the day, had less of an appetite, and fell asleep faster at night!! i love it! the remedy i found was every morning, a half hour before breakfast, as well as right before bed at night, drink a tablespoon of honey in one cup of boiling water with a teaspoon of cinnamon. It has only been four days, but man, what a difference!!!

Replied by T.Srikantharajah
Wimbledon, England
[YEA]   Daily in the morning, 1/2 hour before breakfast on an empty stomach and at night before sleeping, drink honey and cinnamon powder boiled in one cup water. If taken regularly it reduces the weight of even the most obese person. Also drinking of this mixture regularly does not allow the fat to accumulate in the body even though the person may eat a high calorie diet.
Replied by Kimmi
Park City, Ks
[NAY]   i tried this last night for my insomnia.... And nothing... How disappointing... Sigh... But I may still try it for weight loss.. ;-)

Horlicks   1  0   

Posted by Beth (London, UK) on 06/01/2009

[YEA]  My mum is 65 years old and has been experiencing lack of sleep at night for about 3-4 years. She would drop off to sleep but never have any sound sleep as she would hear everything happening at night and had difficulty falling asleep after getting up at night. She now takes a drink of Horlicks every night and sleeps quite soundly that I have to wake her up in the morning. She gets up in the early hours of the morning to go to the toilet then drops back to sleep quite soundly that she can't hear my radio playing music in the morning. She started with 4 teaspoons of horlicks in a cup of milk as the label states but now sleeps even with taking one teaspoon. She also uses the light, medium and strong types and they all work the same. On the nights she doesn't take horlicks, she doesn't sleep. What I can't understand is that she used to take vitamin B complex tablets, which horlicks is mainly made of, every night but never slept. Does anybody know of any side effects for long term usage of horlicks?

EC: Horlicks is a malted milk hot drink:

Replied by Lorayne
Sun City, Az
I wouldn't use Horlicks, since it contains milk which means it probably contains rBGH (genetically modified bovine growth hormone). Go to to read up on the dangers of GMOs. They are in dairy, soy, corn, canola, zucchini, yellow squash, Hawaiian papaya, cottonseed and alfalfa at present. Organic food cannot be GMO. So if you want to eat these things, choose organic. The Environmental Working Group has a petition of it's website to force labeling of products that contain these poisonous GMOs. Go to to sign the petition.

Hypnic Jerks   1  0   

Posted by Hayley (Washington State) on 07/29/2014

I've had severe hypnic jerks at least 6 nights a week for close to 8 or more years that disrupted my sleep to no end. Even when I could sleep, I couldn't because the jerks kept me from falling asleep. I've spend hours researching the underlying cause to no end. Magnesium oil helped to a limited to degree, but that's about it until I read a few comments about Benadryl causing hypnic jerks. After reading this, I researched it, and found it's true so I went off it--I had been taking it on a daily basis for allergies and migraine headaches for years. Since I went off the Benadryl, I've had 3 hypnic jerks in the nine nights I've been off it.

I'm convinced hypnic jerks are a side-effect of a lot of meds, and would urge anyone suffering from them to google everything they take with the word 'myoclonus' to see if it's a side-effect. If it is, and you're able to go off the med, your jerks should settle down as mine did.

Posted by Maria D (London, Uk) on 01/19/2012

Hi, would you please be able to begin a topic on HYPNIC JERKS? It's a life wrecking condition for so many people as it totally prevents one from falling asleep. The person will be able to fall asleep but will wake up *the second* he/she starts to drift by this jolt/jerk that. So the cycle goes for hours and hours. I really think this should be a topic on its own and not under insomnia as the person is able to actually fall asleep but keeps waking up from these jerks.

I would love to hear Ted's opinion on these hypnic jerks.

I have struggled with these for several years and they truly ruin my sleep completely. I know that alkalizing the body helps a lot. The things is, it always gets much much worse after I work out. The harder I work out the worse they get. It makes me wonder if the body cannot clear lactic acid, or wheter it's some kind of electrolyte imbalance.

I usually can keep these jerks under control by massive doses of Natural Calm magnesium. However, it gets really expensive and I usually must take doses so high that I get a loose stool the following day.

I am just about to try Ted's alkalizing baking soda/apple cider vinegar formula although I am not sure exactly what the best ratio would be for this.

I used to have perfect sleep and insomnia like once per year. A doctor once gave me a few pills of Xanax for minor anxiety attacks daytime (if I had known then about this poison... ) and after about 5 pills this nightmare began and has stayed with me for 8 years now....

Please, if possible, create this as a new topic as I know it will help many many people around the world.

Many thanks,

Replied by P
Middle, Fl
You can move to California and get a prescription for them organic cigarettes that seem to be illegal in the rest of the united states (wink, wink)


you can check out; "Cat Nip Tea"

I read that it is an alternative to marijuana in the sense that it gives the same tranquil effects, they sell it as tea, but I've also read that young kids smoke it as well. but of course I'm suggesting the drink version!

Also check out 5htp and melatonin!

Good luck! I get that too and it is very irritating! I haven't tried the above because magnesium works well for me at least 500mg and chamomile tea with passion extract as well.

I don't live in california, but wish I did! ; )

Replied by Linda
San Francisco, Ca, Usa
Hi Maria, Have you tried a Magnesium Chloride or Epsom Salts bath before bedtime?

Or you might be able to get away with soaking your feet the way I do, as follows-

What I do when in a hurry to get to bed is put about 1/4 cup into a plastic dishpan, then stand in it as I shower, or if I'm already out of the shower I add a small amount of water (inch or so) to the pan with the Magnesium and stand in it as I brush my teeth before bed; I do not have hypnic jerk but I think it might be worth a try for you. Magnesium is the Great Relaxer..

OTOH something very like what you describe used to happen with me years ago, and it was actually a Bladder spasm. It was happening because I was "holding" urine too long and my body was desperately trying to clue me in. I hadn't even realized I was doing it... Just too much to do, and no time to stop.

I hope this helps,


Replied by Hattonhall
Woodridge, Queensland, Australia
Magnesium is rapidly absorbed through the skin, maybe a MagSolution is available which could save you over the high cost of those li'l ol' pills ??
Replied by P
Middle, Fl
Hello Again! I forgot to tell you that Castor Oil on your eyes and lid might work also; minutes after putting it on, my eyes start to curl with sleep! I read that it cools you off indicating to your body that it's time for sleep!
Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Maria, I had the very same symptoms after I had to wear a brace during the night because I had had my teeth straightened! I had no idea more people had the same problem or that it had a name? It was awful and usually I would also have a big snore, would jerk and wake up over, and over and over again. After a while it got better but when the orthodontist changed the stand of the brace it started all over again! Somehow this stopped when I went to the nose doctor and he gave me two sprays and anti-histaminic pills. I think that if people have never had this they have no idea how it feels like and how miserable it makes one feel! It is like our body is working against us, like some sick joke where one is waken up every time one falls asleep, or some kind of torture. The orthodontist told me he had never heard of it but I can hardly imagine he hadn't as he was at the end of a long career but well, this way he didn't have to deal with my problem! Jerk!
Replied by Maria D
London, Uk
Hi Linda, thanks, I have tried magnesium chloride by Natural Calm. It truly helps but in order for it to help I need to take about 4-5 times the RDA. It's way to much for my stomach to tolerate too, although I prefer good sleep. I am just wondering if there is anybody who has found a permanent cure to these jerks/jolts.
Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Maria, I did... I left you a post a while ago! But I didn't have them longterm like you! As far as the magnesium chloride goes you can try to do it transdermally! Dissolve the crystals in water and apply to the skin. As I said I had the hypnic jerks on two different occasions (many days at a time) because of my orthodontic braces but with the nose sprays the doctor prescribed they disappears instantly! Now I don't wear braces anymore I don't have a problem! No idea other people had the same problem or that it had a name! The orthodontist told me that he had never heard of it but then... He was a jerk, took my money and never finished aligning my teeth!
Replied by Maria D
London, Uk
Hi Francisca, sorry, I did read your post, thanks. I'm totally bewildered about your orthodontic experience. You wouldn't happen to remember what kind of nose spray the doctor gave you?

I feel pretty sure this boils down to some kind of electrolyte imbalance, in my case. I don't know why my body can't keep the electrolyes in balance anymore. I used to run miles and miles without such a problem. But now I can barely powerwalk without things worsening. As soon as I work out hard they get a thousand times worse.

I have tried massive amounts of magnesium oil all over my body. It helps as well but not completely. I need to combine this with too high of a dose oral magnesium in order to sleep. And then I get (I hate the word) diarrhea from such a high dose of magnesium and feel exhausted from that instead...

Please Ted, if you read this, help!!!

I am going to try potassium citrate to see if that helps.

I'm waiting to buy a new juicer (mine broke). Looking back, it seemed as if juicing dark greens, especially cellery, every day put an end to this torture. It literally destroys my life.

Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Sorry Maria, I am not living at home right now so I can't see what the spray was called. I went to the doctor twice and I think that he prescribed the same stuff both times. He also prescribed a spray with sea water (that one I have here with me) and an antihistaminic. The mixture worked both times and now I don't use the braces anymore the jerking has stopped completely! I have no explanation.... But it was awful so I know what you are going through. And I only had it for a short while.... I got very afraid to go to bed! The orthodontist didn't want anything to do with it and I felt very alone! I still get the chills when I think about it! Torture, is the right description! All the best to you and when I go home at the end of February I hope to think about it and look for the spray. But any anti-congestion spray together with the sea water spray (to clean the nose to start with) and an antihistaminic might do the trick! Worth talking to a doctor about it..... It worked right away, amazing! The doctor had me sleep with a machine to record my sleep but it didn't work because I woke myself up all night! I suppose you googled that problem? I never did but luckily I got relief right away and the second time I just went back to the same doctor. I don't think that he knew the problem either!
Replied by Megan
Arlington Hts, Il
I am going through the SAME EXACT thing right now. I am 19 weeks prego and thought my electrlytes were off, just got them tested about two weeks ago and then seem normal. My mag seemed a little low. I've been supplementing calcium/mag for about two weeks. It has helped some. I also take arestless legs at night and that helped but something was truly OFF last night as I was up till 2 am with the all over body jerks. I even ate a banana at 1am thinking it was my potassium? I just read on another forum that l-glutamine could cause nurological issues and i've been taking 4,500 mgs of l-glut for about a month. OP are you taking L-glutaamine too? I'm going to lay off the l-glut for a bit and see if the problem gets better although to be honest I thought the problem had gotten better, last night migth have just been a WEIRD glitch??? I also consumed gluten last night , just two crackers and some brie cheese , a very small amount and the day before pizza. I have been OFF gluten since november because of my hashimotos. I wonder if the gluten is doing something??? I'm going to try the epsom bath salt. I'm desperate.
Replied by Steve
Las Vegas, Nevada
You could be having some adrenal fatigue which releases high levels of cortisol at night. This will often give you the jerking/twitching at night just as your about to fall asleep. It is often caused by high stress levels over a long period of time. Consider taking adaptogenic herbs, ashwaganda, rhodiola, or astragulus, they lower cortisol levels, check with your health care provider on this. Consider an even less invasive approach like EFT emotional freedom techniques or other energy healing modalites which reduces stress levels.
Replied by Tina
Manila, Philippines
Hi Maria. I too have this hypnik jerks for several mos. Now. I read from a diff web site that someone just like you was prescribed of the same medicine and since then experienced jerks. He recommended mixing 1/2 teaspoon baking soda to a half glass of water and take it minutes before going to sleep. I tried it just tonight but it didnt work for me. I just thought that bec you too had the same cause for your jerks, it might work for you too. As for me, I'll try Steve's suggestion. I have hypothyroidism and they said that it can cause high cortisol. I'll try to take some adaptogens. Hope thiz works.
Replied by Tina
Manila, Philippines
Hi Maria. I did what Steve suggested and after 1wk I was able t o sleep without experiencing any jerks. I chose to take ashwagandha. It was not an instant cure. But on my first few days of taking it I still wake up of the jerks but able to go back to sleep. I would also suggest that you have your thyroid checked. I have hypothyroidism and as a result of many yrs of not treating it I had magnesium deficiency, low ferritin and adrenal fatigue. Bec of this I started taking ferrous sulfate and lots of magnesium. The last I tried was an adaptogen called ashwagandha. I dont know if its a coincidence but this is also the first day that I change my thyro med from levothyroxine to natural thyroid called thyroid-s. Hope this helps you. Thanks also Steve. You dont know how much you have helped. May God bless you.
Replied by Amanda
Nsw, Australia
How many people still suffering from hypnic jerks use benadryl or other diphenhydramine? This acts as sodium channel blocker which can interupt proper muscle function. If you have tried earthclinic remedies and still suffer these horrible twitches, please try stopping intake diphenhydramine, then try the remedies.

I was suffering from regular sleep-maintenance insomnia, and after a few days of using benadryl as a result I started getting these jerks, sometimes when falling asleep for the first time, sometimes all night long leaving no sleep at all. I stopped taking benadryl for a week to take it easy on my liver and I noticed the twitches were lessened. Then the other night I woke up with a bad runny nose and used benadryl to clear it up, well, I started having the twitches again really bad 20 minutes after taking it, I assume it had not been fully detoxed from my system yet.

If you try this please give it some time to work. I found I was still getting twitches after a week but their severity had lessened significantly (to the point where I could actually fall asleep). I still suffer from sleep maintenance insomnia but the twitches are getting less and less with absense of diphenhydramine.

Replied by Little Wing
Marshfield, Ma
I find benadryl makes my restless legs MUCH worse, as does anything like this or any of the PM medicines (Excedrin PM, Advil PM, etc.).
Replied by Rsw
Uniontown, Oh
I have found this to be true, also. NyQuil always was a problem and kept my up all night, but as I have gotten older, Benedryl and other such OTC drugs that you mention, now cause me to be drowsy but completely unable to sleep with increased RLS symptoms.
Replied by Citygirl27
Richardson, Tx, Usa
Not eating MSG stopped my leg jerks. When I eat MSG, the twitching starts again. I have been avoiding it for several weeks now and my legs have been quiet.
Replied by Jb
Everytown, Usa
Potassium. Get it from coconut water, bananas, spuds (all varieties), some tomato juices, and most vegetables. Do not waste your time or money on potassium supplements, they are typically a very, very low dose, not to mention unnatural and potentially dangerous. Also your high dose of magnesium supplementation is hard on the digestive pipes and unbalances (or displaces) some other minerals. It's always best to supplement with food whenever possible (not talking about disgusting "energy" drinks). Ya gotta eat anyway, right? Discover which REAL foods are high in minerals (mostly fresh produce and carnivorous fare) and eat well. Sweet dreams.
Replied by Amanda
Tweed Heads, Nsw
Thank you so much for that post Citygirl, I think my problem may be related to MSG too. It's definitely worse on nights when I've had Chinese or take out food that day. Unfortunately it's in just about everything and my friends and family already think I'm a hypochondriac, I wish they would understand what it's like to have your whole body jerk awake and to be told it's all in your head.
Replied by Ab
Chicago, Il
I find that holding my breath for as long I can, continuously, helps me to fall asleep when suffering from hypnic jerks. It can be uncomfortable doing this, but I usually knock out after 15 or 20 minutes. Another thing that helps me get past hypnic jerks is sex.
Replied by Tlac
Sleepless Not In Seattle.
I'm reading this thread and sending out the best of luck to everyone. I've had this problem for 13 years, without resolution. I have literally tried everything I can think to help. I've been to several doctors and sleep clinics and prescribed loads of medications. The only med that helps is Klonopin, but I would rather find the source of this issue. I agree that it has something to do with electrolytes, in my case. It's much worse after working out, or sweating. I'm at a point where I'm just not going to be able to work. It's pure torture.

Hang in there, everyone. Let's find out something to do about this. If anyone has any ideas, please post them. I'm pretty desperate, at this point.

Replied by Alex
[YEA]   I find drinking cayenne pepper tea (a teaspoon of cayenne pepper in hot water) helps to relieve hypnic jerks. Info on Cayenne pepper and all its benefits is just a google search away but it helps regulate blood pressure and is awesome for heart health. I had hypnic jerks last night for the first time in months and tried cayenne pepper tea (which you can also have with green tea and a dash of cinnamon or lemon etc - see many online recipes) - and I was DELIGHTED to see it eased my hypnic jerking when drifting off to sleep almost immediately after getting back to bed and tying to fall asleep!

Hypoglycemia   0  0   

Posted by Julia (Toronto, On) on 05/10/2011

The major cause of insomnia is the hypoglycemic syndrome. Going on a Hypoglycemic Diet will often resolve the problem.

Sleep Maintenance Insomnia and Sleep Onset Insomnia

Ignatia Amara (Homeopathic Remedy)   1  0   

Posted by Sean (Ca, Usa) on 10/18/2013

[YEA]  Hello, I've been taking Ignatia Amara when I wake up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep (racing thoughts and anxiety).... It seems to work but is it Ok to take it every night long term??? Thank you for your feedback!

Insomnia Treatment Centers   0  0   

Posted by Shannon (Bangkok, Thailand) on 07/06/2014

Hi, I really need a place to go to help with my insomnia. I have had this for over 18yrs or so and basicly just can't sleep. I hab=ve found some good information on the site but I feel like I need some direction. I am in Bangkok, is there a brick and mortar place I can come to? Thanks so much

Replied by Gertieg
Me, too! I've tried everything and nothing works. Most supplements give me diarrhea. I just read online about a 'sleep switch' that Oxford Univ. has/is studying--says there is an exercise one can do to 'turn off' the wakefulness. I wish!
Replied by Kathy
Two things you might want to try for insomnia. Lavender essential oil, it's very relaxing and calming. Next, try a process called EFT. Sleep well!
Replied by Timh
I recently read an article stating that liver disease is often associated w/ insomnia, and I can make a personal testament of that correlation in my life. Other diseases like hormonal disturbances, chronic infections, etc are also common causes of insomnia.

I think it fair to assume that a majority of insomnia cases are simply a side effect of some other primary disease.

Replied by Kt
Based on observing my husband, I think eating too much too late contributes to insomnia.
Replied by Gertie
I have tried lavender essential oil and EFT. Neither worked for my insomnia.
Replied by Karin
New York City, New York
Sorry to hear people are suffering with this. Have you tried deep breathing and meditating at night before you go to sleep? The idea is to get into your right brain which will deeply relax you. It's very difficult to do when your mind is racing, but the more you practice, the easier it gets. You need to give it 20 - 30 minutes. Eventually the brain recircuits itself and sleep gets easier. I also know a few women who feel hormone balancing herbal formulas helped a racing mind!
Replied by Kt
Dear Karin I think you hit the nail on the head describing a racing mind---now I can justify mentioning the MSG factor. MSG is a nerve stimulant. All foods contains some source of MSG. Many sources are hidden under names you would never suspect.
Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe
Gertie, read up on magnesium for insomnia.

Iodine   2  0   

Posted by Allmymarbles (New York City, New York) on 04/04/2010

[YEA]  For 30 years I suffered from ever-worsening insomnia. The cause was never found, but it was suggested slyly that I was neurotic. Ultimately I developed short-term memory loss and my exhaustion was profound.

One winter I developed a craving for clams and could not seem to get enough of them. I noticed that occasionally I had short periods of normal sleep. Then it hit me - iodine! I had myself tested for hypothyroidism. The result was positive. And I was furious. I never got help from the medical profession, lived for years as a zombie, and had to find the cure all by myself! Thanks to potassium iodide I sleep just fine. Although I started at a higher dosage, I currently take only four drops of 5 per cent solution a week. Now if I could get a refund of all the money I wasted on doctors who resorted to facile psychology instead of medicine . . . .

Replied by Flying Frog
Grass Valley, Ca, Usa
Hello! I want to suggest you look into/try kelp tablets for your hypothyroidism--I prefer it to other sources of iodine because, of course, kelp is "found in nature" & contains many nutrients in a form that I feel is more compatible with the body than a synthesized form. Peace!
Replied by Janice
Coloma, Mi
Flying Frog...How much Kelp do you take a day? Do you take it every day? Thanks
Replied by Kelp
Louisville, Kentucky
I'm currently using kelp, two teaspoons twice a day, I saw the post about potassium iodide and found it interesting because I just ordered some potassium iodide. I'll keep your post in mind in terms of the number of drops that you started with. The kelp hasn't helped with sleep so far, iodide is much stronger so that may be the issue. Another consideration is that there are various types of kelp, bladderwheck is the strongest, so that one may work. I've only taken it once so far, was using dulse, and I noticed the difference, it certainly is stronger!
Replied by Jp
Ottawa, Ontario
[SIDE EFFECTS]   Don't take your iodine late in the day, as that can worsen sleep.

If you use kelp you 1) don't get a lot of iodine and 2) may be getting heavy metals along with it. Check your source

Lugol's or Iodoral are sources of both Iodine and Potassium iodide, both forms of iodine that the body uses. You can make Lugol's yourself. Iodoral is the same proportions in tablet form.

Replied by Mamallama
Deerfield, Ma
[YEA]   I agree, iodine has helped my insomnia. I would have to take 2-3 mg melatonin every night and hated feeling dependent. I have been taking Lugol's for 5 days now (started with 2 drops of the 2% solution and have increased to 4) and I see an improvement. I have been able to decrease the melatonin to 1.5 mg and I feel pretty confident that I'll be able to eliminate the melatonin entirely! Even when I was woken in the night (something that would have me up for hours, normally), I was able to fall back asleep within 10 minutes or so.

BTW, I take the iodine in the morning, in cranberry juice.

I have had other positive effects with the iodine but will post about them after I've been using it for a couple of weeks.

Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Hi, I have just ordered Lugol's (5% iodine, 7% potassium iodide) because I am quite sure that I am iodine deficient. As you can't buy it anywhere in Europe I ordered it online. It is Hulda Clarks recipe and I have no idea how many drops to take. I saw the label on the site and it says one should take 6 drops a day, max. 3 days. This sounds like nonsense to me.... The lady selling it told me that in Hulda's book she advises 6 drops 4x a day for up to a week for stomach bacterial infections. All very confusing...... Dr. Brownstein says in his book that 1 drop of Lugol's 5% iodine and 10% potassium iodide amounts to 12,5mg. I think that the fact that Lugol's can come in so many combinations makes it very difficult to know how much to take. Right now I am at a loss so if anyone can help I would very much appreciate!

As far as insomnia goes I also hope that Lugol's will help me. Please keep us informed of any other changes you notice, I will do the same. I will be taking Lugol's for the insomnia, falling, weak hair, puffy eyes, dry skin..... By the way, I thought that Melatonin was a great thing after reading a book about it. It is not sold here in Europe so it is not something I can try!

Replied by Lisa
Rabat, Morocco
Francisca, one drop of Lugol's (5% iodine, 10% iodide) is 6. 25 mg. There isn't really a set amount to take, it all depends on the person. I think it is generally believed that a maintenance dosage is 50 mg. Many people take more depending on what illnesses they may have. It might be best to start out slow and gradually increase your dose since many people can have detox symptoms. I have been taking Iodoral (pill form of Lugol's) since last March and I am up to 62. 5 mg. I have some thyroid issues and uterine fibroids along with sluggish adrenal glands. It is also recommended that you supplement iodine with Vitamin C, magnesium, selenium and unrefined sea salt (like Celtic). I think it is best to take it all at one time early in the day since taking it too late can cause sleep problems in some.

If you want to get some really good information I would suggest joining the iodine Yahoo group. The moderators are very knowledgeable and have lots of experience using iodine. The group owner had thyroid cancer and used very large doses of iodine to help cure herself.

Replied by Eva
A'dam, Nl
Francesca, you can relatively easily buy iodine in Europe, just need to google it while entering the right keywords. By the way, Melatonin is sold in drugstores in the vitamin section, I did not enter a store yet where it was not sold and I have also seen it in several countries. I am not sure if you live at a really small place, or you don't look at the right place, but I would be more careful with generalizations about what you can and can't find in such a large area as Europe.
Replied by Timh
Louisville, Ky, Usa
Francisca, if Melatonin is on the EU ban list, try 5 Hydroxytryptophan (5HTP) before retiring as it stimulates the penial gland to secrete melatonin. If 5HTP is not available try regular L-Tryptophan or foods high in T like Turkey.
Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Eva, I do live in a small town now but I used to live in France near Switzerland and Germany. I looked everywhere but I never found any melatonin, they told me that it wasn't allowed in the EU, only melatonin percursors. I am not sure but I think that I also asked in De Tuinen when I was in Holland last year. I am going to the UK next week and I can try again in a very good health food store where I mostly go to.
Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Lisa, now I feel even more hopeless... You say that one drop is 6,25 mg, Dr. Brownstein says it is 12,5mg.... I will try to find that Yahoo group and maybe I just start with one drop. I am taking vit. C, 1000mg a day, am using magnesium chloride transdermally (dilute myself in water) and will buy some selenium soon (I do eat walnuts most day as I picket a lot during the Autumn). I also take a bit of Celtic Salt now and then, apart from what I take in my food!
Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Thanks Timh, yes, melatonin percursor are allowed here. I tried one but it didn't really have any effect. I am not waiting to go the the UK next week and pick up the Lugol's I ordered on the Internet at my sister-in-law's. Actually my biggest problem is my husband's snoring. Once he wakes me up I have trouble going back to sleep and by now I am not used to sleeping all night anymore. When he leaves early in the morning I often sleep like I am in a coma just then I wake up too late and have difficulty sleeping in the evening again!
Replied by Linda
New Haven, Connecticut
Mamallama, from all that I have read, Vitamin C (which is in your juice) is not to be taken at the same time as Lugol's. Lugol's is comprised of iodine and iodide and the Vitamin C will convert the iodine to iodide. For this reason I always take my Lugol's in water & wait at least an hour or more before I eat or take my suppliments (including my Vitamin C). Hope this helps.

Linda :-), 281, 2962&q=630

"Let's go through the titration process with a specific example: the titration of vitamin C by iodine. The chemical name for vitamin C is ascorbic acid. When Iodine and ascorbic acid are combined in solution, a chemical reaction takes place. In this chemical reaction, the ascorbic acid molecule loses electrons, which are transferred to the iodine molecule. Chemists call this type of reaction an oxidation/reduction reaction (or redox reaction for short). The ascorbic acid is oxidized to dehydroascorbic acid, and the iodine is reduced to Iodide ions. Oxidation-reduction reactions always occur in pairs like this. The molecule that loses electrons is oxidized, and the molecule that accepts the electrons is reduced."

We need ioDINE AND ioDIDE:

From "Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It":

"It was thought that the intestinal tract could easily convert iodine to iodide, but research has shown this is not true. Different tissues of the body respond to different forms of iodine. The thyroid gland primarily utilizes ioDIDE.... the breasts, on the other hand, primarily utilize ioDINE....

Because different tissues concentrate different forms of iodine, using a supplement that contains both iodine and iodide is preferable to using a supplement that contains only one form, As mentioned above, the breasts concentrate iodine. The prostate gland concentrates iodine. The thyroid gland and the skin primarily concentrate iodide. Other tissues, including the kidneys, spleen, liver, blood, salivary glands and intestines can concentrate either form. With different tissues responding to different forms of iodine, it would make common sense that a greater therapeutic benefit from iodine will be achieved by using a COMBINATION OF IODINE AND IODIDE. My clinical experience has proven, beyond a doubt, that a combination of IODINE/IODIDE (e. G. , Lugol's or Iodoral) is much more effective than an iodide only supplement (e. G. , SSKI and most other liquid iodide formulations)."

Replied by Linda
New Haven, Connecticut
Francisca, I am taking the same strength as you, although I bought mine from J. Crows. I began with 1 drop a day (which is 6. 25 mg) and worked up to 8 drops a day (which is 50 mg) as Dr Brownstein reccommends. I'll continue with that dose for 2-3 months and then taper down to a daily maintaence dose of 2 drops a day (12. 5 mg) for life as recommended.

Just be sure to take it on an empty stomach and wait an hour or so before before eating or taking any supplements (read my post earlier in this thread).

Linda :-)

Replied by Francisca
Zug, Switzerland
Thanks Linda, I will pick it up on Friday evening so will start on Saturday morning. Funny enough I can't find the instructions of how to take it in Dr. Brownsteins book. Are you sure that one should take it one hour before eating? I hope that it can be done during the day or else I will have to wait for 1 hour before having breakfast, which is not always possible! I underline the books I read in order to find anything of importance more easily but I couldn't find that information....
Replied by Linda
San Francisco, Ca, Usa
To Francisca from Zug,

The number of milligrams per drop can differ very widely dependent upon the size of the dropper used, and additionally the exact mg amount will differ dependent upon whether the drop is released from a dropper held exactly vertically, or from a dropper which is slanted sideways at the time the drop is released. So it is a ballpark, but not precise to talk about how many drops = 1 milligram, etc.

Exact precision with Lugol's 5% (that's what I have) is not usually critical, unless there is some special case-specific medical circumstance. Lugol's has been in extensive use in the USA for more than 100 years. Its use and effects are well-documented and easily findable on the web.

Dr. Brownstein is a good source of info on this. Also there is an Iodine Supplementation forum (VWT Forum) on Curezone where many knowledgeable folks have posted their own experiences with it for several years.

I have taken from 1 drop per day to more than 15 with a standard-sized eyedropper orally off and on for months at a time, for probably 12 years now. So IMHO not necessary to stress about a milligram difference here and there. Just always start with less and err on the side of caution, and work up very slowly. I would not take it without having food in my stomach *first*.

If I am uncertain about its effects, I can paint it on my skin.


Replied by Linda
San Francisco, Ca, Usa
Hi Francisca, I think you're way safer ingesting it with food and water, than off by itself. Iodine is some pretty strong stuff. I like to have a buffer around it, just the same as when I take Cayenne Pepper. Just because you can get it past your teeth and down the hatch doesn't mean it won't burn something else. Those are tender little mucous membranes down there.

I take 5-8 drops of Lugol's every morning, I just drip it into the last half-inch of coffee in the bottom of my coffee cup and slug it down during breakfast :-).

I also drop it into Orange Juice if I'm not having coffee that day :-).

I like strong tastes to wipe out the chemical flavor of Iodine.

I think about it this way: after Iodine was removed from bread is when more people began to be deficient in it. So it works when baked into bread. Nobody ingests bread without eating :-).

Don't stress over the timing too much.

Linda :-)

Replied by Citygirl27
Richardson, Tx, Usa
Kelp tablets are not efficient. You need to take 5-10 of them to get a single gram of iodine. I recommend Lugols, and increased seafood consumption. For those outside of the US, you may be able to buy iodine tabs in higher doses. I know iodoral is available some places.

Kakao (Raw Chocolate)   2  0   

Posted by Gabi (TORONTO, CANADA) on 02/12/2008

[YEA]  Insomnia remedy. Hi all Insomniacs! I discovered my remedy a few years ago by accident. I just turned vegan and was looking for something raw to sweeten up my food and desserts. It is KAKAO (cacao). Raw Chocolate nibs. You will find them in health food store. Take 1-2 teaspoon in the evening and chew it. I put mine in a coffee grinder.God, how well I sleep! I am not insomniac but used to have sleepless nights time to time and my friend with sleeping problems is already on it and sends me his blessings every morning so I hope it will help you also. Don't ask me if there is caffeine. I don;t know.It works. I use it when my schedule is craze and I sleep 2-4 hr every night and this is going for months sometimes.Being "on cacao" I fall in a sleep in seconds and wake up well rested. I just feel in the morning like a baby again! Please send me email if it works for you.

Replied by Susan
Vancouver, Canada
Yes, I started using cacao (Cocoa) in the powder form. It is very healthy. I have researched it on the internet and it has the most flavanoids (immune booster) of any food. As well it is a pure protein. Do not mix with dairy as they block many of these nutrients.
Replied by Jennifer
Sunrise, Fl
[YEA]   Cacao is rich in magnesium, which helps to promote sleep. That is why some people also have relief from insomnia from taking magnesium orally or taking epsom salt baths. :)

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