Fluoride Poisoning and Fluoride Detox

Last Modified on Jul 26, 2014

What Are the Effects of Fluoride?
Fluoride occurs naturally in incredibly small amounts in fresh drinking water (0.01-0.3 parts per million, and in some places anywhere from 0.5mg/L to 50mg/L), but has been added to public water sources to help prevent tooth decay. It does not affect the appearance, taste, or smell of water. The EPA suggests a level of 0.5 to 1.0mg/L. Controversially, though fluoride prevents tooth decay at certain levels it is also toxic to the body. Fluoride toxicity is estimated to be lethal at 5 to 10g; ingestion can produce gastrointestinal discomfort at much lower levels (0.2mg/kg (body weight)).

Fluoride and teeth hold a positive relationship; however, fluoride has been linked with causing eczema, celiac disease, affecting thyroid function, causing tooth discoloration in children and adults over long-term exposure, and can build up in the body to cause rheumatoid arthritis and joint pain.

Natural Fluoride Detox

On this page you can find a number of user submitted remedies to remove fluoride from your body. Our readers' most popular remedy is borax, and some other treatments include apple cider vinegar, sea salt, tamarind, and wheat grass. There are many ongoing discussions here over fluoride theories, how to test fluoride levels, and the consequences of long term exposure to fluoride. Let us know what you try to detox fluoride from your system, and how well it worked for you. If you have experience with a detox method or cure for fluoride poisoning not listed here, please share your story with us.

Please make sure to read Jason A. Uttley's two (2) articles on Fluoride Poisoning
Chronic Fluoride Poisoning Q&A
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Activated Charcoal   0  0   

Posted by Michael (Gadsden, Alabama) on 03/24/2010

Can I use activated charcoal to rid my body including the bones of the build up of fluoride? Does activated
charcoal cleanse the body or treat the body for fluoride poisoning? Will a water filter with activated charcoal purify the water of fluoride? Right now I feel fine by it has done damage to my teeth and I can only imagine what shape my skeletal system is in. Please, if you can answer my questions or point me to someone who may be able to help me. I would be very appreciative of that.

Respectfully,
Michael

Posted by Mark
Toronto, Ontario
03/25/2010
I could be wrong but I don't think Activated Charcoal (AC) will help you with that.

From what I understand AC works by sticking to unwanted matter in your gut and aiding elimination. Fluoride poisoning is not restricted to your gut, it's systemic. I don't think AC has any effect to other parts of your body other than the inside of your digestive system. Does anyone else know?

Posted by Pr
Houston, Texas, Usa
03/26/2010
72 Posts
Hi Michael, Everything I have read states charcoal will not remove fluoride from your body. You can verify this by searching this on the internet. Borax will however remove fluoride from your body. Earth Clinic has a ton of information on how to use Borax to remove fluoride. Be sure and take you time to read the info so you will completely understand the process and for how long. I think I read it was 6 months but not sure. Good luck.
Posted by Mary
Orange County, Ca
12/01/2010
[WARNING!]   "Activated charcoal DOES NOT remove fluoride from water nor does it remove it from your body. There are only three things I am aware of used for fluoride removal and that is:

1)Activated Alumina - this is not rated for internal use nor do I presume that it would be safe.

2) Red Clay - There have been some studies published out of India where natural Red Clays were used to remove fluoride from water but it required that the water be in contact with the clay media for a minimum of 15 min. For absorption to take place. It is likely that a food grade red clay or even a food grade zeolite clay would be able to remove fluoride internally.

3) Reverse Osmosis - does remove fluoride from water. Additionally, as others here have mentioned, food grade sodium tetraborate (borax) has been shown in clinical trials to induce chelation of fluoride compounds from the body via the urine.

Posted by Richard Hudon
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
05/04/2011
A responder to this post and other responders to other posts have suggested the use of reverse osmosis machines to remove fluoride. That will work. However there is a problem with these statements. Almost all of them will only remove a limited portion of the fluoride. Some as little as 30%. The best that I was able to find was a 98% removal rate. Email the company that produces the RO system you wish to buy before you buy and ask them to state the amount of fluoride it will remove as a percentage... You can then have a record in writing of their removal rate.

Check out the Pure Water Systems, Inc. , at purewatersystems.com. They seem to have the best RO system available.

Posted by Kareng
Sugarland, Texas, Usa
05/05/2011
7 Posts
If you get a Reverse Osmosis filter be prepared to spend TONS on filters! Fair warning! The Fluoride eats holes in the filter very quickly so you have to change the filters MUCH more often than 'recommended'. A dear friend had RO for several years but was going broke changing filters so often, and appalled at what her filters looked like being eaten by the Fluoride.

The filtering of Fluoride is still a big debate. The reality is there just isn't a way to safely filter all Fluoride from our water. Dr. Russell Blaylock stays on top of this issue. I suggest following him to keep up on up-to-date info. He actually has a Distiller to get rid of Fluoride. Distilling is controversial as well so you have to decide what is most important to you; getting rid of Fluoride or losing some minerals from your water. I figure I can replace the things Distilling takes out but Fluoride is forever...

Posted by Charlene
Auburn, Wa
07/31/2011
Try Calcium Magnesium. I'm suffering right now. The National Research Council has published a book on Fluoride. You can download or view it for free on their website. I'm obtaining my calcium magnesium from Bastyr Center for Natural Health. I was taking calcium and they said this was better. It helps
Posted by Muffet
Slo, Ca
09/13/2011
From what I have read... Ionizing the water removes flouride. It renders the water alkaline as well. They are expensive machines, but am looking into getting one at our local co-op, that all the members can use.
Posted by Pbus
Port Saint Lucie, Florida, Usa
01/15/2013
I have called the National Science Foundation and they have told me that fluoride can NOT be removed from the water although those that want to sell you systems will tell you otherwise. NSF says do not believe some sales rep. I think I will listen to NSF.
Posted by Rahmon
Canada
10/21/2013
I think what is misunderstood is that generally Fluoride cannot be removed completely, but technology has come far enough to substantially reduce it. What has to happen is that the water has to travel through the filtration medium slow enough in order to filter appropriately. I could go on and on, but I will share my ordeal ...It's been really hard to find companies that are truly reputable when it comes to their fluoride removal claims. A lot of companies claim NSF accreditation, but one must be very careful about that and know exactly what the certification is for. Most of the time it does not measure how well the filter removes contaminants. Just thought I would pass on my findings as I have been researching for myself to ensure we get a quality filter that does what it claims from a reputable company. There is a small company out of New York that I found that has a filtration system (I'm referring to their under the counter 'ultra' version...though they have several other configurations) that removes fluoride, prescription drugs, and even radiation via Zeolite. It even raises the alkalinity of the water. They have an independent test done by a nationwide lab analysis company and I also contacted the lab personally to ensure that this company was reputable and that the lab results were not fabricated......anyhow it all checked out. The only thing that you might find is that the alkalinity of the water starts off a bit on the higher side (ph 9.3) but will settle in at about 8.0 after a month. Anyhow, I think they have an excellent filter and hope it will help in your search...good luck. Here is the link, and if you notice their customer reviews are all top notch, the best that I can find...if you have any questions at all someone will speak to you. I spoke with them, verified their lab test and I tell everyone about them cause its a fabulous product. http://www.pureeffectfilters.com/#a_aid=Ultrawater
Posted by Gene
Bergenfield, Nj
02/16/2014
Activated Charcoal, whether you use a gravity fed or faucet cannister, cannot remove fluoride from your body or from dinking water. Charcoal can remove some bacteria, chemical toxins and heavy metals through a process known as ABSORPTION (basically trapping these particles within the nooks and crannies of the charcoal itself). Fluoride ions, however, are far, far too small to be trapped by charcoal and it is one of the most reactive elements on the periodic table. As a result it quickly binds to your tissues, organs and your skeletal and central nervous system virtually immediately once ingested or through showering or bathing. This very harmful molecule is very difficult, though not impossible, to remove once it gets into your body. But the best way to prevent fluoride toxicity is through stopping it before it gets into your body.

There only 2 ways to remove fluoride from your water. One is Reverse Osmosis which some systems claim to remove up to 98%. However this process wastes a lot of water as well as demineralizing it completely. And if you choose R.O. then you need to be sure to add a device that can replace the essential trace minerals.

The other is by using one of 2 filter substrates...Activated Alumina or Bone-Char Carbon (Crushed and Burned Animal Bones). They are much more cost efficient than R.O. systems and can remove virtally all detectable levels of fluoride through a process known as ADSORPTION. By possessing a positive (+) charge they actually attractive the negatively (-) charged fluorine ions. There are various companies out there that manufacture whole house or shower and undersink systems that use either Alumina or Bone-Char Carbon. I would recommend the latter because Alumina, though equally effective, will put trace amounts of aluminum into your water which, though not as destructive as fluoride to your central nervous & endocrine systems, is considered, itself, to be a heavy metal and can also be neuro-toxic over time.

Aloe Vera Juice   1  0   

Posted by Dorothee Krien (Cork City, Ireland) on 08/28/2007

[YEA]  I moved to Ireland where the public water supply is fluoridated. A single cup of fluoridated water gives me an extreme headache - I suffer from multiple chemcial sensitivity. I try to avoid drinking fluoridated water as much as possible, but soemtimes it is simply impolite to refuse an offered cup of tea or coffee. By chance I found that fresh aloe vera helps me to get rid of the headache. I notice the prematurely aged skin of most Irish women, most of whom have the genetic make-up for beautiful skin. A' female friend with a very beautiful skin - she is in her fifties - told me that she has been taking aloe vera juice for the past fifteen years.

Posted by Daniel
Marlborough, Ma
02/18/2012
#1 get a fluoride counter top filter( pure earth) or distiller use this water for drinking and cooking any other drink even organic may be useing city water for crops grapes ect. To get rid of fluoride from your body to include your pineal gland use iodine (magnetic clay) with cal/mag supplements from algae, plus boron sm. doses (whole foods)

Apple Cider Vinegar   1  0   

Posted by Shelley (Gold Coast, Queensland Australia) on 11/24/2010

[YEA]  Fluoride is highly damaging to the thyroid gland. Pure water is a must... The enzyme poison effect extends to our genes; DNA cannot repair itself, and chromosomes are damaged. Work at the University of Missouri showed genital damage, targeting ovaries and testes. Also affected is inter uterine growth and development of the foetus, especially the nervous system. Increased incidence of Down's Syndrome has been documented. Fluorides are mutagenic. That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body; but bones are particularly picked out. The incidence of osteosarcoma in a study reporting in 1991 showed an unbelievable 50% increase. A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated. My particular concern is the effect of fluorides on the thyroid gland

Perhaps I may remind you about thyroid disease. The thyroid gland produces hormones which control our metabolism - the rate at which we burn our fuel. Deficiency is relatively common, much more than is generally accepted by many medical authorities: a figure of 1:4 or 1:3 by mid life is more likely. The illness is insidious in its onset and progression. People become tired, cold, overweight, depressed, constipated; they suffer arthritis, hair loss, infertility, atherosclerosis and chronic illness. Sadly, it is poorly diagnosed and poorly managed by very many doctors in this country. What concerns me so deeply is that in concentrations as low as 1ppm, fluorides damage the thyroid system on 4 levels.

1. The enzyme manufacture of thyroid hormones within the thyroid gland itself. The process by which iodine is attached to the amino acid tyrosine and converted to the two significant thyroid hormones, thyroxine (T4) and liothyronine (T3), is slowed.

2. The stimulation of certain G proteins from the toxic effect of fluoride (whose function is to govern uptake of substances into each of the cells of the body), has the effect of switching off the uptake into the cell of the active thyroid hormone.

3. The thyroid control mechanism is compromised. The thyroid stimulating hormone output from the pituitary gland is inhibited by fluoride, thus reducing thyroid output of thyroid hormones.

4. Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured. These damaging effects, all of which occur with small concentrations of fluoride, have obvious and easily identifiable effects on thyroid status. The running down of thyroid hormone means a slow slide into hypothyroidism. Already the incidence of hypothyroidism is increasing as a result of other environmental toxins and pollutions together with wide spread nutritional deficiencies. 141 million Europeans are at risk.

One further factor should give us deep anxiety. Professor Hume of Dundee, in his paper given earlier this year to the Novartis Foundation, pointed out that iodine deficiency is growing worldwide. There are 141 million Europeans are at risk; only 5 European countries are iodine sufficient. UK now falls into the marginal and focal category. Professor Hume recently produced figures to show that 40% of pregnant women in the Tayside region of Scotland were deficient by at least half of the iodine required for a normal pregnancy. A relatively high level of missing, decayed, filled teeth was noted in this non-fluoridated area, suggesting that the iodine deficiency was causing early hypothyroidism which interferes with the health of teeth. Dare one speculate on the result of now fluoridating the water? It also displaces Iodine in the body.. **********************************************************

Try having 2 teaspoons in a cup of water with half a teaspoon of honey, I have just read from alot of people it is really hard to keep down, after having it now for a few weeks, it almost tastes like weak cordial, and its all a mind over matter. I discovered Apple cider vinegar when my cat became sick with a Urinary Tract infection, upon giving him a teaspoon in his wet tuna mix, and a bit of water, he was happier in a matter of hours and is completely normal now. To everyone seeking a detox or a trying to lose weight, I can assure you this works. But make sure you use only pure water.

Articles   0  0   

Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 06/20/2011

[WARNING!]  A link to an interesting article by Dr. Mercola (mercola. com) on Flouride:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/13/cdc-and-ada-now-advise-to-avoid-using-fluoride.aspx

Borax   5  0   

Posted by Ed2010 (Oakville, Canada) on 04/30/2013

[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS]  Ok, I thought to test Borax to eliminate Flouride poison because of drinking tea and municipal water and also to eliminate other parasites. As mentioned. Mixed quarter teaspoon of borax with 1 liter of water. Sipped it throughout the day.

I was just severely bloated the next day, I did not feel any positive change immediately. Then the second day I stopped drinking borax. May be the side effect is due to detox reaction.

However, the third day I really felt the body being very light, no feeling of heaviness. More energy. More clarity. It was great. I can really feel that the flourine was easily removed.

I did not continue this routine as the bloating is hampering my daily work. May be I will try again and explain detail.

Good Health. Thanks

Posted by Plumhappy
Eugene, Usa
04/30/2013
The bloating will go away as your body responds to the borax and better eating. It is amazing that as you feel better you feel like eating better and less. I am enjoying the process. I feel like a new me.

Posted by Laima (Hershey, Pa) on 12/05/2012

I have read wonderful stories about cure all sort of illneses and flouride cleansing. But I still couldnt find how much per day I can drink water with borax Would like to remove flouride from my sistem and clear foggy mind. Im already drinking soda one glass per day I very happy with rezults.

Posted by Janet R
Miami, Fl
12/05/2012
Hi, I would recommend you only drink 1 glass maximum per day. More is not necessarily better!

Posted by Fluoridefree (San Diego, Ca) on 05/28/2012

I'd like to say thank you so much to God for answering my prayers and thank you EarthClinic for helping to save my life. I have been so miserable with muscle pain, muscle twitching, jaw pain, constipation, dry eyes, dizziness, stomach pain, depression, anxiety, headaches, fatigue, itching all over even in my ears, pain under left shoulder blade, muscle contraction, and the list goes on. I have been terribly ill for over a decade. I have seen numerous doctors. At only 23 years old, several years ago the best advice one docter could give me was to start walking with a cane. Most docters wrote me off as a hypochondriac or tried to put me on anti-depressants.

I'm a yoga teacher, so I'm very in tune with my body. I just knew it wasn't "all in my head". I tried several different remedies on EarthClinic through the years and tried cutting out many different foods thinking I had a food allergy. It literally felt like I was allergic to every kind of food. However finally after constant prayer, a very patient husband, and years of research; I figured our that my sickness had worsened significantly in 2008 when parts of San Diego began putting fluoride in the water. The intial exposure came from growing up in Indianapolis, IN. And I became extremely sick in 2011 after the birth of my daughter (anesethia has fluoride) and when all of San Diego County started fluoridating their water.

After just one week of avoiding as much tap water as possible in food and drink and using a pinch of borax in reverse osmosis water, I feel like a different person. This IS a miracle! I had gotten to a very dark place. Even with the birth of my daughter, I had lost the will to live with so much pain. Just a heads up though, there have been several times where I took Lugol's iodine and the detox symtoms were utterly unbearable. Blessings!

Posted by Debra
Los Angeles, Ca
10/11/2012
[YEA]   "In answer about the borax and reverse osmosis water, I too suffered horribly from all these symptoms that I've read on this site. I had a child in 2000 and had so many symptoms that all lead back to fluoride poisoning. I've had a nodule on my thyroid since 2006 and could not lose weight no matter what I tried. The question was... How was I to get rid of this nodule on my thyroid that apparently came from the fluoride poisoning and how do I get rid of the fluoride from my body. To prevent it from entering is one thing but how do you effectively get out what had been accumulating inside for years. Well, I found that boron, a trace mineral leaches with the fluoride and pulls it out of your body when you go to the restroom. I recently went back to the doctor. They've been doing ultrasounds every 6 months and it was pretty much staying the same. About 7 milimeters or so. I've also done a MRI so the doctor can really see what is going on. It is now down to 4 milimeters and the doctor told me to keep doing what I was doing and that he has never seen someone's thyroid nodule shrink. I'm losing weight little by little, but it is coming off. I thank all of you for sharing. Everything we all post, will help others in their research. Thank you!
Posted by Debby
Monroe, Ct
10/12/2012
Regarding your thyroid nodule - did the doctor suggest you do a needle biospy to make sure it is not cancer. Maybe you should suggest he does that. Debby
Posted by Kenneth
Atlanta, Ga
02/07/2013
For removing flouride from your system, go straight to potassium iodine and borax -that's right, 20 mule team! Google them both and be amazed. Good Luck

Posted by Stacey (Colorado Springs Area, Co, Usa) on 12/01/2011

[YEA]  I wanted to share my experience with the Borax protocol for removing fluoride from the body. My theory was that my daughter's "non-24 hour sleep-wake syndrome" (very rare circadian rhythm sleep disorder) was caused by unintentional cumulative chronic fluoride intake (water), so we tried Borax to see if it would remove the fluoride and fix the problem. We gave her a tiny fraction of the recommended adult dosage because she is still quite young. Within about two months of gradually stepping up her dose (still not very much! ) she started sleeping at the same time every day (the non-24 hour disorder caused her to operate on a 25-hour internal clock and she went to bed an hour later and woke up an hour later each day). Now she has reverted back to the less severe "delayed sleep phase syndrome" going to bed very late, around 3am each day for the past month at least (which is how she slept before the shifting phase began). I could hardly believe it was working so I waited many weeks before getting too excited about what I was seeing. Nothing else we tried had made the cycle even budge. I believe she will eventually move to a more normal bedtime, which she has never yet been able to have in her first 3.5 years of life. When this happens, I will post updates!

My husband had the delayed sleep phase for most of his adult life and used the same protocol alongside my daughter. He now reports wanting to go to bed much earlier, rarely able to even stay up past midnight. He is reporting sleeping more deeply now as well. He has not even reached his full dose yet, as he does experience mild headaches when he increases his dose so he is going very slowly. I feel that his success with the Borax protocol is further proof that my daughter didn't just grow out of it.

I believe our fluoridated water also caused three of our pets to become ill with kidney failure type of symptoms and all died from this within just over a year's time frame (quite a coincidence). Now I wonder what else the fluoride has been doing to us, but at least we are doing something to reverse it. I urge everyone to look up the many, MANY sources of the fluoride scourge that esp. Americans are being assaulted with from all sides. Then, figure out how to avoid it (most water filters do not remove it). But esp. if you have some crazy sleep patterns, or you have been diagnosed with insomnia but feel you may have been misdiagnosed, please check into the fluoride toxicity issue. I hope this post helps someone!!!

Posted by Anon
Co Springs, Co
02/25/2012
Stacey in Co. Springs. You are correct about the fluoride--however please let me warn you. Fluoride is not the only nasty in your water as we learned the hard way. You need to be aware of perchlorate and nitrates also in the deepwater table of that area. It's very serious!

Posted by Dp (Chicago, Il) on 08/16/2011

Hi, I have seen the recommendation to add 1/4 tsp of Borax in a liter of water to leech out flouride. Is this amount of borax safe for children? My 7 yrs old girl just got diagnosed with mild Flourosis. I would like to give her the Borax-water combination. She weighs 43lbs(19. 5kg). Is it better to use the homeopathic remedy Borax 30C for children.

Posted by Lily
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
08/17/2011
108 Posts
Hi Dp, I would definitely use the homeopathic remedy if it is recommended by somebody with experience in this field. I would not suggest giving the 1/4 tsp/Ltr water method on a child of 19kgs. Lily.
Posted by Tess
Pb, Florida, Usa
08/17/2011
No, I would NOT give your child that dose. The safe dose for adults is 1/8 teaspoon of borax in a liter of water so a child's dose would be 1/16th or less. Consider buying homeopathic pellets of borax instead. Much safer way to go. I bought mine online.
Posted by Mercedes
Salem, Oregon
11/10/2011
DO NOT PUT BORAX/BORON/BORIC ACID into YOUR BODY!!!!! EVER!!!! Do you people not realize that this is COCKROACH KILLER?! Cockroaches can withstand a nuclear bomb.. so does it really seem smart to put something into your body that kills these nasty creatures?

Listen up and listen good......

Go look up Charcoal Pills.

They are an all natural and SAFE way to remove fluoride from water and your body. Please do not ingest anymore roach killer!!

Information on the chemicals Charcoal pills remove and their other helpful properties:

http://healingtools.tripod.com/thn5.html

Posted by Lucinda
Big Rapids, Michigan
12/30/2011
2 Posts
I looked at the website on charcoal and the list of things that charcoal removes did not include fluoride or anything that starts with an f. I have been drinking 1/2 tsp. charcoal in 1 liter of water along with 1/4tsp. aluminum free baking soda and 1/2 diatomaceous earth every AM for about a year for PH balance and for detox. Since Borax seems to remove fluoride, I will try this as well.
Posted by Lucinda
Big Rapids, Michigan
12/30/2011
2 Posts
I have learned that pain is directly linked to acidosis and toxins in the body. After researching information from Dr. Robert Morse and Max Gerson and others I have followed their general advice to detoxify my body and use aluminum free baking soda to keep my PH above 7.0 and have started using the coffee enema to cleanse the liver. I am nearly pain free and have much improved health, no ringing in my ears, clearer thinking, no dizziness.
Posted by Negutron
Arvada, Co
02/08/2012
Mercedes from Salem, Oregon: Here's some chemistry knowledge for you: One atom difference between two molecules fundamentally changes their structure and function.

Borax is not the same as boric acid. It is a sodium salt of boric acid, which may explain your confusion. Boric acid is toxic internally, but borax (sodium tetraborate) is used as a food additive and can be used for detoxifying fluoride in small amounts. There's an LD50 for both, which means at some level both compounds will kill you. So eat a lot of either one. Or don't I mean.

--

You're welcome. Next time google it. I didn't know either until I did then wikipedia made me unignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boric_acid

Posted by Aaron (Colorado Springs, Colorado, Usa) on 03/09/2011

After reading Jason Uttley's article on the fluoride / fibromyalgia connection I have decided to try borax ingestion. I have seen numerous doctors over the years looking for cause of my illness without luck. I have mostly refused medications as if they don't help in first couple days I don't keep taking them... I have a strong adversion against perscription medicine.

My Details:

10-12 years of fibromyalgia symptoms (huge overlap to fluoride poison symptoms) including:

upper back pain between shoulder blades

numbness and aching in arms, hands, fingers, elbows, and most upper body joints.

trouble sleeping due to pain... I wake up 5-10 times a night. Very hard time staying on any sleep schedule.

Can only sleep hugging a pillow and only on my side. I roll over numerous times per night due to discomfort.

hip pain sleeping

blurry vission in morning for few few hours.. Never fully clears up

very annoying tinitus high pitch ringing at all times

I am overweight, ~210lbs at 5'9"

I am male and 36 years old.

I took Cipro for 30 days about 10 years ago. This may be around the time symptoms started. It has been so long I don't remember if this exactly matches the symptoms as they came on slowly over years.

I have a scuba diving accident 17 years ago and was treated for the Bends.. Thought this may have something to do with symptoms.. Though I can not find any link or info about this relationship. It was a mind case of the bends.

I have lived in Colorado Springs for 8 years and our water Fluoride is 1.75 ppm. Interestingly I didn't think we had fluoride water as no extra is added. Why the # is so high I do not know.

More info on what I have tried previously here:

www.justanswer.com/medical/4p3bc-upper-back-shoulder-blade-spine.html

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I will post here as I try Borax. Here is my first result post:

Day1:

1/4 tsp borax, 20 Mules brand to 1 Liter of Britta filtered water (didn't have any distilled). Started drinking it about an hour before bed. I drank 1/2 of it fairly slowly before bed, so only ingested 1/8 tsp first evening.

Sleep seemed a bit deeper, though I did oversleep, as usual, the following morning. I slept from about midnight to 11am. This has become an almost normal sleep night for me. 10-11 hours to feel barely rested. However, this morning I felt a little more rested than usual.

Ringing in ears is still there at normal volume

Pain maybe slightly better, but not enough to know for sure... I have some days better/worse than others.

Muscles in shoulders and back are sore like a workout, but I did try a TENS unit for the first time yesterday and suspect that caused the muscle soreness.

I will get some distilled water soon to replace the britta water. I am however unsure how to eliminate fluoride from diet considering any drink I have when out (I eat out about 2/3 of my meals) will be tap water based.

I will post again in a day or few...

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, San Fernando, Philippines
03/10/2011
918 Posts
Hi Aaron... Borax is a very useful supplement for your Fibromylagia, but my own feeling on your problem is that you seem to have multiple issues. Any immunological disease like Fibromyalgia does not just arise from one cause, but usually arises through imbalances involving excessive intake of poisons - pesticides, heavy metals or halogens like fluoride/bromide - as well as due to lack of important nutrients - such as a lack of vitamins, amino acids or body electrolyte minerals. This lack of dietary nutrients combined with excess intake of poisons and toxins from processed food and water are what actually work to first weaken your immune system, your hormone system and your energy system etc over many years and that is when diseases like Fibromylagia strike, allowing other outside pathogens entry into your body - such as the Epstein Barr virus, candida etc. Alot of your issues also seem to stem from an acid body/blood condition, possibly due to excessive Calcium intake in your diet.

It might therefore be useful to take a broader range of supplements which will help to address your many issues:

ACV, Baking soda and Magnesium

The method is to add 2 tablespoons of organic ACV(Apple Cider Vinegar) into a glass, half fill the glass with water then add 1/4 to 1/2 tspn of Baking Soda until the fizzing stops. Drink this two or three times a day outside mealtimes. Also take 300 mgs Magnesium Chloride or Magnesium Citrate or Mag Gluconate twice a day. Or you could also use the more convenient Transdermal Method of Magnesium intake using Epsom Salts or Magnesium Chloride. The magnesium will help balance and remove excessive calcium from your tissue cells which may be causing your pain. This ACV mixture is also highly alkalizing and beneficial for the blood and the cells. The magnesium will also help to stop the tinnitis and the magnesium will also help to relax you and help you sleep properly. Here are some research details for this Fibromylagia remedy.

Lugol's Iodine

Dosage: 2 to 4 drops twice a day in a glass of water. While dealing with a 320 lb diabetic patient, Dr Flechas -- a researcher from the Iodine Project -- found that while taking 50 mgs(8 drops) of 5% Lugols Iodine, this patient was not only able to completely come off her insulin meds, but she also lost 70 lbs as well. Here is the research and testamonial. Both Magnesium and Iodine seem to have a very positve effect on reducing cell insulin receptor resistance which is caused mainly through diet by eating too much processed vegetable oils. Iodine will also boost the thyroid gland as well as help boost and aid the immune system. Iodine is also used to remove fluorine, bromine, cadmium, lead, mercury and aluminium from the body.

Liver Cleanse, Detox and Repair Option

The liver is the chemical factory of the body. It has an intimate hormonal relationship with the pancreas, the thyroid and the adrenals. It controls and balances protein, fat and sugar metabolism. If you are overweight then chances are that your liver may be stressed or damaged and cannot cope. The liver also removes the trash from the blood, as well as helps to control fat storage in the body. By cleansing, detoxing and repairing the liver you will also improve the immune system, more correctly regulate hormone balance, reduce excess fat storage and improve blood quality. This protocol is a triple anti-oxidant therapy which will help to cleanse, detox and repair the liver. Details and dosages are given here:

Chanca Piedra -- 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes.
Milk Thistle -- 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes
Alpha Lipoic Acid -- 300 mgs twice a day at mealtimes
Selenium -- 100 micrograms twice a day at mealtimes.
Vitamin C -- As Ascorbate, 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes.

Borax will certainly help to remove fluoride, will help to balance the hormones and will act as a very useful anti-fungal but it will not, in my opinion, cure the blood acidity or tissue pain or sleep problems or possible liver problems or tinnitis or overwieght problems. And since you have so many multiple issues, then perhaps it would be more uaseful if you adopted a multiple strategy -- as above -- that tries to address all the root causes at once.

Posted by Coco
Teaneck, Nj
03/10/2011
For Aaron, I would ask your MD to look at your cortisol level and function of your adrenal glands--I believe you are over stressed, Before you try the borax make yourself sure--ask for testing in 24 hours period.
Posted by Paul
Ny
03/10/2011
To: Bill from San Fernando, I purchased magnesium oil in bottle, how many spray do I need each time for a glass of water? I know your recommend twice a day. Question #2, I have been adding baking soda directly to the apple cider vinegar until stop fizzle or close to it, then I add the water last. Is the wrong way? or does it matter?
Thanks!
Posted by Carly
Seattle, Wa - Usa
03/11/2011
Hi Aaron,
I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia 20years ago... and your letter could have been written by me - symptom wise anyway.
I just have a few more things to suggest trying that I have found helpful for the fatigue and upper back shoulder thing....

An incline board really helps the spinal compression to loosen up and gives a really good stretch. Also, I just started rebounding a couple of weeks ago, and the energy I have been having due to it is AMAZING. Something to do with moving the lymph out of the body with the bouncing motion. Maybe do a web search on "benefits of rebounding"? I also Youtube's it.

As far as supplements, I take ACV (1 oz) and then 3 tbsp Organic VCO (Virgin Coconut Oil) in my coffee.

Also - Boron 3mg a day (another amazing mineral to research! ) D-3 at 4, 000 IU a day, Magnesium at 400mg a day, and slight calcium to balance out.... But keeping the Calcium at equal or less mg as the mag. Vitamin C - 2, 000 a day (broken up into 2 doses) and lots of WATER! The human body needs much more water than it is generally getting. There are books written on this!

Fibromyalgia is a miserable thing, and I hope you figure out what you need to do to feel good again!
Carly

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, San Fernando, Philippines
03/11/2011
918 Posts
Hi Paul... In answering your questions on Magnesium Oil and ACV:

How many spray do I need each time for a glass of water?

If you are lacking Magnesium, take 10 drops(with a dropper) of magnesium oil in a glass of water twice a day. When your stool suddenly becomes loose, this will be magnesium saturation, so cut back to about 10 drops per day(or whatever suits you) in a glass of water. This is called titrating the dose. You can also spray the Mag Oil all over your body and it will be absorbed in greater amounts through the skin than via ingestion and absorbtion through the intestines. You can also reach higher levels of Magnesium in the blood transdermally without the problems of loose stools -- the kidneys should easily be able to get rid of any excess levels of magnesium in the blood without problems.

I have been adding baking soda directly to the apple cider vinegar until stop fizzle or close to it, then I add the water last. Is the wrong way? or does it matter?

You do it how you want!! I prefer just to add water to the ACV to half glass then add the Baking soda bit by bit until no fizz. Then I add a bit more Baking Soda afterwards to ensure the solution is buffered and alkaline and then I drink it. ACV plus baking soda alkalizes the intracellular environment whereas extra Baking Soda works to alkalize the blood. But that's just my way...

Posted by Amit
San Jose, Ca
05/25/2011
Does the body naturally remove fluoride over time? Can healthy habits like meditation, excercise, and good diet detoxify fluoride and or decalcify the pineal gland, or is the body unable to do anything to fluoride buildup?

Thank you!

Posted by Madrona
Victoria, Bc Canada
05/27/2011
Baking soda often contains aluminum.. And this is not a good thing I believe. It is possible to get aluminum free baking soda however.
Posted by Dan
Clearwater, Florida
01/30/2012
It's baking powder that often contains aluminum.

Baking soda contains no aluminum. Just because one brand of baking soda says "contains no aluminum" does NOT mean that other brands of baking soda contain aluminum.

I did extentensive searching on this and from what I saw, it appears that there are no sources of sodium bicarbonate that have aluminum in them. If you have other data, please post the source of this data (but please don't post rumors.)

Posted by Sarah
San Diego, Ca
04/21/2014
Those supposed 'fibromyalgia" symptoms sound exactly like fluoroquinolone toxicity due to antibiotics such as Cipro and Levaquin. Google 'floxed' on the internet and you will learn all about this awful situation that has hit so many of us.

Posted by Bonnie (Pfafftown, North Carolina, United States) on 12/03/2010

I am currently taking an herbal supplement to help with low thyroid and also Diatomaceous Earth. Should I stop either of them while using the Borax for Fluoride Toxicity? I would appreciate any thoughts and wonder if Ted could wade in on this one too. Bonnie North Carolina

Posted by Lisa
Marrakech, Morocco
12/04/2010
53 Posts
Bonnie, I don't know the answer to your question, but I would like to know what you are taking for your thyroid issues and are you finding any relief? I also believe I have a low thyroid and want to try some natural options before going to a doctor.
Posted by Bonnie
Pfafftown, North Carolina, United States
12/04/2010
2 Posts
Lisa, I forgot to answer your question about having results. I've only been doing the Thyrocare for about a month. I think I'm sleeping better. It will take time to see changes. The SuperFood is a good source of nutrition so I shall continue with that. (I've been taking it for about 4 months. ) When I found the info about the fluoride it made lots of sense that one of my problems could be fluoride.

I've been eating a healthy diet for about 15 years - whole grains, use honey, no white sugar, brown rice, more raw veggies & fruits (organic as much as can afford), etc. Another change we made all those years ago as well was to purchase a water filter. BUT, ours does not filter fluoride.... So all these years I've been faithful about drinking lots of water, I'm also getting the toxic fluoride. I've had muscle weakness, pain joint, etc. So, now I'm ready to try the Borax.

Posted by Roland (Exeter, Uk) on 04/25/2010

Hi,

I would like to know if I ad 1/4 tsp of borax to 1 L regular tap water, than it will neutralize the fluoride and other heavy metals and other impurities found in the water?

How long can I take the combination of 1/4 tsp. of borax 1 L water? can I take it for the rest of my life, everyday?

What is exactly the protocol to clean the body from fluoride and other heavy metals? Thank you

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
04/28/2010
918 Posts
Hi Roland...You can certainly leech out the fluoride from your body using borax. Borax also acts as one of the best fungal killers and also kills bacteria as well as balances the hormones and is also good for bone.

A more complete regimen to clear all dangerous halides from your body -- that's fluorides, bromides and chlorides -- is simply to take iodine. You can supplement iodine taking either Iodoral tablets or Lugol's iodine or simply use iodine foot-painting with tincture of iodine(as I do). Iodine will also leech out lead and mercury from your body as well.

Ways to clear heavy metals are -- take cilantro (chinese parsely, coriander leaf) three times a week in salads or just drink green tea several times a day. You can also take take sodium thiosulfate regularly to rid heavy metals from your body. See the relevant section here:

Sodium Thiosulfate Heavy Metal Detox

If you are using borax to clear fluorides then it is sensible to take this protocol for four days on with three days off every week.

Posted by Teresa
Upper Darby, Pa
01/12/2011
I was under the impression green tea is one of the highest sources of fluoride.. unless the product specifically states fluoride has been removed.
Posted by Sibylle
Los Angeles, Ca
06/15/2012
Don't drink green tea for detox! Green tea has loads of aluminum fluoride in it. The tea plant is an aluminum and fluoride accumulator, it absorbs both from the soil. Black tea too for that matter and Roiibos tea. White tea due to being from younger leaves has less aluminum fluoride, but still some. The same is true for organic black green tea. What countries in this world have millions of cases of skeletal fluorosis? China and India... inform yourself.
Posted by Tony
Church Hill, Tn, Usa
06/16/2012
170 Posts
This reply is to Sibylle fropm CA:

Where did you get that load of bullocks about green tea? Green tea is suggested by both Bill & Ted here at EC for helping rid the body of heavy metals. Now, I agree that not all green tea is created equal but for you to post here & tell people not to use it for detox is wrong!

I only buy organic green tea myself. That's the safest & best way to drink it. Just take a look at the information from the site mainly posted by Ted & Bill in regards to green tea. Your information is not correct! Thanks!

Posted by Anon
Anon
06/16/2012
Ted has covered in the site that green tea does have fluoride but taken a cup or two a day, the benefits outweigh the risks. I came across some old Ted posts on the site where he uses a pinch of borax to negate the effects of fluoride when he drinks green tea (not sure if he takes them at the same time or different times though).

Ted quotes:

"Tea is naturally high in fluoride so adding some borax will negate this effect."

"I take green tea myself and aware of some of the pitfalls. However, I take the necessary precautions, while avoiding white bread and white flour use, as well as taking some kelp, seaweed or even using iodine as a mouthwash to prevent the problems of iodine deficiency. "

http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/fluoride_questions.html

"However, I always add a tiny pinch of borax, as some green tea may have fluoride and this aids in the removal."

http://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/lecithin.html

Posted by Denise (Biloxi, Mississippi ) on 05/25/2009

[YEA]  Fibro/Flouride

A brief history. 7 years ago thyroid cancer, the next year adrenal fatigue then early menopause, the following year uterine prolapsed followed by hysterectomy- the following year fibromyalgia and neuropathy. Early Childhood was fluorinated water along with fluoride tablets. Fall of 2008 I was looking at total disability. I could barely walk and couldn't sleep because of the pain and was throwing up daily from the pain in my back. I was on many medications that gave me no relief and I have since found out that they had fluoride as a binding agent. I was sure that my life was over at 45, but thanks to Ted and Earthclinic I am almost at 100%. After reading about fluoride I came to understand where all of my problems originated. I had all the symptoms and reactions. It has been an uphill battle with my doctors and relatives, but you can't argue with a body that is almost pain free. I began the borax detox of 1/8 tsp in a liter of water and within 3 days my symptoms were almost gone. I watch everything I eat and can detect fluoride in vitamins, foods and drinks within 15 minutes of ingesting it. I still suffer from the neuropathy and some pain from the neuropathy but I am off all meds and I have my life. I only wish more people would try to understand the fluoride connections. My sister and mother both suffer with side effects of fluoride and I have only been able to influence my mother. I still borax 5 days on and two days off and give my body a break every month or so for about a week. Thank you :)

Posted by Dave (Surrey, BC) on 04/15/2009

[SIDE EFFECTS]  I slowly went from 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon dose borax to remove fluoride from the body. I quit after about 2 days on the 1/4 teaspoon dose. I mixed it properly in pure water according to the directions that I found here. I had to go off of the borax due to aches and pains in the testicles, kidneys, and head. I was very frightened, especially about that kidney pains. Unfortunately, the pains indicated damage. I now, months afterwards, have pain in the kidneys every day, and I have actually LOST almost all of my sex drive. The pains indicated damage that seems permanent. Being prediabetic, perhaps I shouldn't have risked kidney damage!!!! But I miss my sex drive more. It's gone, and borax is not only as toxic as salt to me. Not by far.

Posted by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
04/15/2009
35 Posts
This is not the correct way to do it. The proper method is to dissolve the borax 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon in ONE LITER of drinking water and drink throughout the day. It was not designed to take in pure powder form, usually to rid of autoimmunity disease or a known fluoride poisoning. In rabbit test the dose is roughly lower than this concentration to protect against fluoride poisoning when they added lethal dose of fluoride.

Ted

Posted by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
04/15/2009
A woman's dose is 1/8, a man's dose is 1/4 dissolved in one liter of drinking water. I can't say much about this poster since sufficient details are not mentioned, except for the fact that he's prediabetic, which borax has a tendency to normalize blood sugar. So I find this posting fishy on many points. A lot of people through private emails actually take a much larger dose that this.

Loss of sex drive has never been reported except for fluoride. Most report an increase in sex drive. Most of the problems reported are associated with boric acid, not borax because boric is acid. Acid eats up kidney, whether it's boric acid or acid forming foods in general.

So I have many regrets on this email. A genuine poster would also email directly to me before posting them and give sufficient details. An intentionally fake poster will report unusual side effects, lacking in sufficient details, on Earth Clinic without telling me. So you can see why I find this a suspicious post.

Ted

EC: We had emailed Ted for more thoughts about this post. The above is his 2nd response...

Posted by Flouride-buster
Portland, Or
03/20/2010
Dave from Surrey may of indeed been poisoned by boric acid use instead of borax as you suggested. And I'm sorry to point out that in the article's references notated under

"A STUDY OF ANTIDOTES FOR FLUORINE S. MARCOVITCH 1 and W. W. STANLEY 1"

you will read that "Boric acid also has some value as an antidote through the formation of a fluoborate." The problem is that this is a pesticide used to kill roaches and ants and there needs to be a warning posted to prevent future misuse of this information! Thank you.

Posted by Tony
Feltham, Middlesex
01/05/2012
12 Posts
Dear Ted, very dangerous to suggest using borax as a way of removing fluoride. Some people have obviously misunderstood your directions and you are possibly causing more harm than good. Why couldn't you suggest something like DMSA or high dose of Vitamin C? Surely that is the safer option.
Posted by Suzanne
Georgia, Usa
07/26/2014
It seems that everyone on this site has been very clear about the difference between boric acid and borax. If someone cannot read this and see what is clearly explained, then the problem is with them, not this site.

Posted by Julia (Brooksville, FL) on 04/27/2008

[YEA]  Most of my adult life I've suffered from stomach problems. And in research of natural cures and flouride poisoning I came across this wonderful website. Anyway, I started the BORAX treatment for flouride because I've been having problems with my knees. I tell ya, I don't know if it's the power of the mind or what, but 2 days of the BORAX treatment and my knees that have been bothering me for the past two months stopped hurting and I can walk again without pain. Haven't tried anything for the stomach yet. But I will now. Expecially after coming across this website and PH levels in the stomach and flouride absorbtion. WOW! Check it out for yourself! http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/72/3/619.pdf

Posted by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
04/30/2008
Actually the worse problem that causes a knee problems are that wheat, sugar, chlorinated water, tomatoes and aspartame products are some of the most acid forming foods I found, leads to a knee problem. So alkalization and borax will neutralize the inflammation and pain. Acid forming foods are pro-inflammatory.
Posted by Chris
Woodland Hills, CA
11/03/2008
Where can you buy borax? I thought that it was a laundry detergent.

EC: More information here: http://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html

Posted by Edith
West Palm Beach, FL
11/03/2008
2 Posts
This is a comment for Chris (11/03/2008) regarding the borax. Hi Chris, the Borax is in the laundry detergent section in the store. First time when I have found the Borax in the laundry detergent section in the local grocery store I was surprised. I am from another country so I was clueless what is the borax. I asked the pharmacist what he thinks if I put a tiny Borax to my drinking water. He didn't seem surprised he said people using the Borax for different kind of weird reasons probably it will kill the bacteria in my water. I am using the 20 Mule Team Borax (chemical name is Sodium Tetraborate Decahydrate) with very good result. I am using it treating Candida and knee arthritis. Regards, Edith
Posted by Rich
Boca Raton, FL
02/04/2009
41 Posts
Iodine supplementation markedly increases urinary excretion of fluoride and bromide - Letters to the Editor
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875

"With 3 tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide.

Posted by Carly
Warren, Mi
05/19/2009
Tumeric (the spice) works to STOP inflammation, use it in your food or fill empty capsules with it. Try about 1/2 teaspoon twice a day...Adjust quantity as needed, works almost immediately. Black Walnut (herbal) will kill parasites, usually the cause of inflammation, they don't test for parasites in this country & everyone has parasites.This is the first time I've read about Borax being ingested to remove fluoride. That's probably why it's called "folk remedies"... Nice website.


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