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Posted by Bev ( Elroy, WI) on 04/07/2008

[WORKED TEMPORARILY]  I have continued the borax detox for fluoride toxicity 1-2 times per week. I had reduced my thyroid dose as my pulse rate was elevated which I thought was improvement of thyroid function. I don't think this was the case. Shortly after I had reduced to 2 1/2 from 3 1/2 grains, reducing 1/2 grain every two weeks, I began to experience fatigue again. Stayed at 3 gr. for about 10 more weeks and began having worsening of symtoms, muscle pains, hair loss, dry eyes, weight gain etc. This week I plan to consult with Dr. John Lowe regarding the possiblily of thyroid resistance and switching from Armour to Cytomel [T3].

Posted by Bev (Elroy, Wisconsin) on 09/11/2007

[YEA]  After reading the info on fluoride on Earth Clinic I realised that the onset of my severe hypothyroid symptoms of extreme fatigue, weight gain, hair loss etc. was caused by taking repeated doses of Flucanazole to prevent yeast during repeated antibiotics for acute asthma [healed after 90 days on Zithromax]. My TSH [thyroid stimulating hormone] is less than .01 which shows hyperthyroidism so I have had a hard time finding a doctor willing to treat me. Now I know it is because the fluoride inhibits the pituitary gland from producing TSH. I live in a fluoridated community so my exposure has been long term. For several years I have had reverse osmosis water but it is very disappointing to find there is no acceptable whole house removal system. It was recommended to me to take cool showers as skin absorption is greater than drinking. I am hoping to convince our city council to drop the fluoride. I was happy to hear that borax can be used for detox. Yesterday I mixed 1/8 tsp of borax and sea salt in one L of water. During the night I awoke with a headache. By morning it was so bad that I vomited the aspirin, snack and enzymes I took to combat it. I couldn't keep anything other than sips down without dry heaves until early evening.I am thinking that is a detox reaction. I am going to hold off another day and dilute it further. I currently take Armour Thyroid and about $400 of supplements, mainly enzymes to prevent reflux, keep spinal alignment, joint stiffness, fatigue, sinus infections, constipation, hair loss and all those other nasty hypothyroid effects. I was also taking the apple cider vinegar and baking soda [about 8 days now] at the same time so may be that was too much at once with the borax. I will keep you posted on my progress. Thank you for this wonderful website.

Borax and Sea Salt  
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Posted by Pamela (City Withheld, Washington) on 09/08/2007

[YEA]  I have suffered with Fibromyalgia/Rosacea and TMJ for over 10 years... My first symptoms appeared shortly after I began taking Paxil. After about 8 months when I found the Paxil side effects intolerable, my doctor switched me to Prozac. Well...within 2 years, I had gained 75 pound, couldn't get my temperature to a normal 98.6 (it wouldn't budge above 96.6), broke out with a fierce case of Rosacea (skin blistering & pealing in layers off my cheeks), was chronically fatigued and suffered from TMJ symptoms.

After reading the FLUORIDE information on EarthClinc and researching the chemical formulas of the many antidepressants that I had taken over the last 10 years, I had an epiphany...My problem was FLUORIDE!!! Incidentally, the' symptoms of FLUORIDE TOXICITY are the same as Fibromyalgia so it wasn't surprising to learn that FLUORIDE is the primary ingredient in MANY widely prescribed antidepressants, including PAXIL and PROZAC!!!

Without delay, I began adding 1/8 tsp of BORAX and 1/8 tsp of NATURAL (UN-bleached) SEA SALT to a liter of
DE-CLORINATED water. This regimine just happens to both neutralize the FLUORIDE and KILL the nasty mites that cause Rosacea.

I began drinking 1 liter per day for 5 days. On the 2 off days, I simply drank purified, bottled spring water.

The results were nothing short of MIRACULOUS, within two weeks my face cleared, the redness faded and best of all, my temperature normalized TO 98.6 and my energy level began to steadily increased. (Do expect the break out to get worse before it gets better as the mites die off.)

In just one month, without dieting or changing my daily routine (other than adding BORAX & SEA SALT to my drinking water), I dropped 4 pounds and I continue to drop weight at about a pound a week. I attribute this to my increased body temperature and elevated metabolism.

ALSO...when I eliminated the FLUORIDE in my toothpaste, my gums stopped swelling and bleeding and all PREVIOUS phantom tooth/jaw pain simply disappeared.

Thank you, EarthClinc and Ted...The information you shared has truely been a blessing in my life...I wholeheartedly encourage anyone that is suffering with FIBROMYALGIA, CHRONIC FATIGUE, TMJ or ROSACEA to try this simple remedy as I have had only POSITIVE results and absolutely NO SIDE EFFECTS!!!

Incidently, this BORAX & SEA SALT water is extremely ALKALINE with a pH between 8 - 9 pH.

Replied by Sly
Union City, Nj, Usa
I was wondering has anyone tried to get boron in vitamin capsules. Will it have the same effects that the Borax fluoride detox?
Replied by Kimberley
Denver, Colorado
Hi I hear you I have the same problem from Paxcil, celexa, wellbutrin, and many others, I have been trying to fight then and sure them I had two children born with defects and now have fluoride toxicity it's an everyday battle flushing my self and I been ding it for a year now and I still suffer beats of these medications not only that but it also made me cut my self and react suicidal to everything more that I do not take this medicine I have gotten out of the fog and I deal with things way better and never think of suicide!!! When I called the lawyers for this stuff they are rude and act like I am the problem like I poisoned my self the thing is they started me on this medicine when I was 12 in 1994 and they know they are aware yet they keep giving it to people it's disgusting. The future diagnosed me and told me and little think I am a conspiracy nut and I say o so the real doctors are the crazy one and the psychiatrist are the sane one?? This system is sickening.

Borax and Tamarind  
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Posted by Sharon Strait (Atlanta, Georgia) on 01/31/2013

[YEA]  I am no stranger to detox as my symptoms first started 20 years ago. My first big leap toward recovering came through sauna detoxification (using VC, mineral salts, and liver suppl. support) and an acupressure technique to reduce chemical and food resistance and allergies called NAET. Both are AMAZING safe therapies I highly recommend. These together, plus organic raw juicing literally saved my life at the age of 28 in one year's time.

My second huge leap forward was with a form of energy-based yoga called isha yoga--i do a kriya practice I learned in an 'Inner Engineering' class which is really easy to do, and it normalized a lot of my hormonal imbalances and got my body's rhythms back in sync. I've began practicing since the age of 33--almost 10 years without missing a single day. It's THAT good. This practice made my system stout and strong again in 3 months--to the point that I trekked in the Himalayas 6mths after I learned the kriya and since have travelled all over Asia and Tibet with a strong gut--I was helping OTHER people who were sick =).

So, I've been pretty fit for the last 10 years, eating vegetarian (not able to do organic in travel), travelling all over, and practicing yoga and meditation regularaly. In all my travels and activity etc, I was fine. It was when I came back and settled that I'd gotten a little lax on the pure water thing and started to have a few problems re-emerge--wasn't too bad, but it began to interfere with my yoga--mainly joint pain and mild hypo- thyroid symptoms.

My thyroid has always remained slightly enlarged on one side even though my symptoms of Hashimotos were very mild (almost no coldness, just mild skin dryness, and occasional fatigue). The thyroid got a big boost from my yoga practice, but my joints were still getting really crickety even though i'm practicing a couple hours of yoga asanas (postures and such) every day.

4 days ago I started the Borax protocol as well as the Tamarind and am having incredible results. I think this might just be the final piece to the detox puzzle. I hadn't taken fluoride that seriously, and my enviro doc 10 years ago never mentioned it as a concern. I'm betting the sauna cleared it with the other things back then and I never knew it was part of the problem.

I bought both a 'cosmetic grade' Borax powder and Tamarind paste at the Indian market. Both I am mixing with a little sea salt. These first days I've taken 1/24 tsp of Borax in 1/3 of a liter--basically 1/3rd the total quantityfor female adult and had the funk that followed--dizziness, lethargy, little nausea etc. The first day I did an Indian Rasam with tamarind, salt, little oil and cilantro also. After the two, I actually spiked a fever and the aching worsened, but I could tell it was a detox reaction. I can literally feel this stuff 'pulling'.

At day 4 with this tiny amount I've taken, my knee pain is about 80% better, low back pain is gone, neck and shoulders which were very tight are about 30-40% improved, and my energy has spiked up considerably. Truly amazing that a $2 product of natural mineral salt and the $3 paste of a fruit of a tree can be such a wonderful antidote.

It is interesting, because the Ayurvedic wisdom of ancient India has spread into the south India culture and held for millennia and one of their most common, daily soups--a 'digestive' by which they finish EVERY meal is the rasam that I made myself, which has simply tamarind paste, black pepper, cumin seed, a bit of dal, turmeric powder, salt which you boil hard together and then add lots of fresh UNCOOKED cilantro in at the end. Hmmmm... The yogis must have known all along =)

Best luck in your continued climb to the glowing health and exuberance that is your birthright. Thank you for hosting this forum for those who suffer needlessly for way too long.

blessings, -Sharon

Replied by Sharon
Atlanta, Ga
Just a quick update on my progress. I have been rigorous about taking short showers, drinking distilled water, cooking with distilled water and eating raw foods when going out to eat. In short, for two months I've completely avoided fluoride and bromide as much as possible and my results are so good that I literally cannot BELIEVE this crap is added to our food and water supply. I have been ingesting this poison for 40 years, which I feel has been the primary cause for my Hashimoto's thyroiditis all along. I don't know what my ab titers are right now or my thyroid numbers, but I can tell the inflammation is way down and I feel so much better I can hardly believe it. One thing that has been interesting is that once I was off of the fluoride for about 3 weeks, if I ingested even a tiny amount of iodine even in my food I would have a hyperthyroid (ADD) kind of reaction. I couldn't figure it out at first, then I realized, without the fluoride/bromide suppression that had been there for years, the increased numbers of iodine receptors that developed in the enlarged gland to compensate for the blockage were now all available and over-stimulating. I actually began producing too much thyroid hormone. This lasted a couple of weeks but has leveled out now--I actually lost a little weight and had trouble sleeping at night from all that hyperactivity. Now that it has calmed down, I won't start taking any little bits of iodine again for maybe another month as needed to nourish the gland.

Another interesting thing is that I have been visiting a friend for about a month while going through all of this. One of her dogs had developed arthritis so bad she could barely move her hips and head. She told me she wanted to 'put her down' soon her suffering was getting so bad--she could barely stand up or lie down. So, I began to treat her with Borax too. At about 50lbs, I just adjusted her dose accordingly and began to add to all of her drinking water (tap water of course). Within THREE days, she lifted her head and began to move it normally. In three weeks time she is now running the back yard. While she was detoxing, I could tell she was experiencing the same detox funk--her eyes looked heavy and she was even stumbling a little, maybe a little bit dizzy? So I took the dose slowly and still such a dramatic response. Doesn't seem to have harmed her at all--in fact my friend said her urinary output and constipation have improved. My friend was so shocked because even the expensive vet she goes to had no treatment other than pain medication much more expensive than the Borax.

Posted by Carol (La Verne, CA) on 02/27/2008

[YEA]  I've followed Ted's remedy regarding fluoride poisoning. I noticed that the neck and back pain only disappeared when I used the Tamarind powder with the Borax. I've been leaching with the borax for at least 30 weeks now. The symptom that seems to be resistant is the restless leg syndrome that appeared after my last stilt with anti-depressants chalked full of fluoride. My question is will the restless leg ever disappear? I take calcium, magnesium, zinc, potassium, iodine and b-complex. From researching it is recommended to take iron but I have cancer and can not. The pulsing in my leg keep me awake at night and depress my activities 70%. It's not just pulsing but it is the weakness that goes with the pulsing. Does anyone recover from fluoride poisoning completely?

Replied by Susu
Sacramento, California
Since you can't use iron for RLS, try getting a foot massager that really gives your feet a good workout before you go to bed. That usually works.
Replied by Cherry
St. Paul, MN
Hi! About your restless leg syndrome.... Please try natural topical magnesium but make sure it's 100% and from the ancient zechstein sea! There are a few other things you can try too. Check out the Metagenics website to see some of their nerve related herbal supplements. Valerian Root works for muscle spams, and GABA! There are a ton of products with GABA in it and it will directly aid your nerve-related issues. I hope this helps!!!!! Oh and btw.... there are many natural pain relievers out there similar to the opiates the pharmaceutical companies make, but that are 100% natural plants/herbs. Best of luck! :-)

Boron (Borax) and Tamarind  

Posted by Ted Donate
(Bangkok, Thailand) on 08/27/2007 | 388 Posts

As per your request for research references regarding the antidote of fluoride poisoning, there is both the use of borax to remove fluoride and also the use of tamarind used to increase fluoride excretion as an antidote to fluoride poisoning. Most of the boron antidote was taken from research of Elsair, as follows:

"Boron effectively counteracts symptoms of fluoride intoxication in humans (Zhou et al. 1987) and in experimentally poisoned rabbits (Elsair et al. 1980a, 1980b, 1981). Men suffering from skeletal fluorosis experienced 50 to 80% improvement after drinking solutions containing 300 to 1,100 mg of borax/L daily, 3 weeks a month for 3 months (Zhou et al. 1987). Boron enhances sequestration of fluoride from bone and excretion through kidneys and possibly the intestinal tract (Elair et al. 1980a, 1981)"

Many of these research are not well known in U.S., but it's there if you dig hard enough. The details of research description regarding the experiment is no longer found in webpages however, I still have the references material based on that reading here.

P.S. Boron is found in borax. Sometimes I use the word boron to emphasize that there is boron in borax. Borax is a compound form of boron, with oxygen and sodium attached.


Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics, Vol. 74, Issue 2, 235-238, 1942 Copyright %uFFFD 1942 by American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics


1 From the Department of Entomology, Agricultural Experiment Station, University of Tennessee, Knoxville

The fluoborates when fed in powdered form were found to be non-toxic to both rats and insects. In solution enough fluorine is liberated to produce toxic effects.

Both aluminum sulphate and hydrated lime are capable of saving animals from a lethal dose of sodium fluoride when mixed with the latter. Boric acid also has some value as an antidote through the formation of a fluoborate. The aluminum sulphate forms cryolite which was found to be much less toxic. When aluminum sulphate is mixed with the sodium fluoride and used as a roach powder, a lower kill is obtained than with sodium fluoride alone.

January 2002, Volume 56, Number 1, Pages 82-85 Table of contents Previous Article Next [PDF]

Original Communication Effect of tamarind ingestion on fluoride excretion in humans

A L Khandare, G S Rao and N Lakshmaiah

National Institute of Nutrition, Indian Council of Medical Research, Hyderabad, India

Correspondence to: A L Khandare, National Institute of Nutrition, Indian Council of Medical Research, Jamai Osmania PO, Hyderabad 500 007, AP, India. E-mail:

Research on Tamarind and Fluoride Removal:


Objective: To evaluate the effect of tamarind (Tamarindus indicus) ingestion on excretion of fluoride in school children.

Design: Randomized, diet-control study.

Subject: Twenty healthy boys were included and 18 of them completed the study.

Interventions: Each subject consumed 10 g tamarind daily with lunch for 18 days at the social welfare boys' hostel. The nutrient composition of the daily diet was constant throughout the experimental period.

Results: Tamarind intake led to significant increase (P<0.001) in the excretion of fluoride in 24 h urine (4.8%uFFFD0.22 mg/day) as compared to excretion on control diet (3.5%uFFFD0.22 mg/day). However, excretion of magnesium and zinc decreased significantly (7.11%uFFFD1.48 mg of Mg and 252.88%uFFFD12.84 %uFFFDg of Zn per day on tamarind diet as compared to 23.39%uFFFD3.68 mg of Mg and 331.78%uFFFD35.31 %uFFFDg Zn per day on control diet). Excretion of calcium and phosphorous were not significantly different while creatinine excretion decreased with tamarind intake (225.66%uFFFD81 mg creatinine/day with tamarind and 294.5%uFFFD78.76 mg creatinine/day without tamarind).

Conclusion: Tamarind intake is likely to help in delaying progression of fluorosis by enhancing urinary excretion of fluoride.

Sponsorship: National Institute of Nutrition, Hyderabad, India (ICMR).

European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2002) 56, 82-85. DOI: 10.1038/sj/ejcn/1601287

Please see references material attached, especially:

1: Z Gesamte Hyg. 1977 Jan;23(1):14-20. Links [Results of animal experimental studies on rabbits with sodium fluoride and the effect of antidotes] [Article in German]

Baer HP, Bech R, Franke J, Grunewald A, Kochmann W, Melson F, Runge H, Wiedner W.

PMID: 842048 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Here is the research material on the fluoride antidote using boron:

Fluoride 1981; 14(1):21-29

Boron as antidote to fluoride: effect on bones and claws in subacute intoxication of rabbits

Elsair J, Merad R, Denine R, Azzouz M, Khelfat K, Hamrour M, Alamir B, Benali S, Reggabi M

Laboratories of Physiology, Toxicology and Galenic Pharmacy, Medical Institute, Algiers, Algeria

Summary: Rabbits were "subacutely" intoxicated by administration of 30 mg/kg/day of fluoride for 3 months followed by 15 mg/kg/day for a subsequent 3 months (F). Boron was given alone (B) as preventive and simultaneously with fluoride prophylactically (F Bp), as well as therapeutically namely midway during the experimental period (F Bpc) while fluoride was being administered and after it was discontinued (Bc compared with fluoirde interuption F*), at a constant F/B ratio. All groups were compared to normal controls.

Boron administered during fluoride intoxication or after its interruption, reduces fluoremia and increases urinary fluoride excretion. Skeletal fluoride levels are directly relatd to those of claws. They bear no relationship to fluoride in hair. The high fluoride content in bone in lot F decreases with addition of boron. It is still high in lot F* but returns to normal in loc Bc. Calcium content of bones remains normal in all lots. Posterior pad radiography shows a cortical thickness in lot F which is less pronounced in lots F Bpc and F*, and returns to normal in lot Bc.

Replied by Lois
Chicago, USA
I don't know that Tamarind is so good for fluroide poisoning. Take a look at this website. It says that Tamarind has a very high fluoride count. That's why when people eat it, lots of fluoride comes out in the urine.
Replied by Ted Donate

Bangkok, Thailand
388 Posts
Actually boron has a high binding to fluoride too, much like tamarind which binds strongly to fluoride. Tamarind gel and tamarind while it binds strongly to fluoride don't seem to cause deposition of fluoride and seems to further remove additional fluoride in the body.

There is also a dog study that showed increase fluoride excretion despite the high fluoride of the tamarind, to cause fluoride deposited in the bones to be removed and helped avoid fluorosis. Of course, I am a bit of a purist and prefer the borax remedy without the fluoride binding, and allow the boron itself to bind the fluoride when it is taken for the fluoride removal process. Some people may lean with more natural products such as taking tamarind might be ideal in case of a food poisoning or fluorosis, provided of course tamarind are easy to find.

Replied by Slybrood7
Union City, Nj, Usa
My question is, after all my research in fluoride detox. Using borax seems like one the best over the counter ways, Boron is its main compound that is used for the detox process. What if I were to just use liquid Boron for the detox instead of using borax.
Replied by Ted
Bankok, Thailand
Liquid boron is made from boric acid, and its toxicity of Boric acid is much higher then that of borax. Boric acid is also acid, and not alkaline and it makes it difficult. Toxicity of the use of boron and reported deaths comes from the use associated with boric acid when an infant accidentally ingested boric acid.

It's much easier to deal with borax. A liquid boron has another problem, manufacturers may add inactive ingredients in liquid solution to stabilize them but may be not safe for human consumption Borax in general does not have the additives as does a liquid boron solution and hence isgenerally better in most general applications.

Boron Chelate  

Posted by Kath50 (Lewisville, Texas, Usa) on 06/01/2011

I have purchased Boron Chelate 3mg for fluoride toxicity. Is this just as good as Borax? I know that boron will chelate the fluoride, I just wonder what the manufacturers chelate the boron with as I can't find any information. Thanks

Calcium Gluconate  
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Posted by Carol (La Verne, CA) on 01/11/2008

[YEA]  re: Fluoride and Calcium Gluconate I.V. The medical reference book 'The Merck Manual' states that for fluoride to be leached out of the body to use an I.V. of Calcium Gluconate. The fluoride is attracted to the calcium and and excreted in the urine, stool, or skin. I am wondering if this type of treatment can be more effective than leaching with boron.

Replied by Jason Uttley
I think it's important to point out that this is only a treatment for ACUTE fluoride poisoning.


Posted by Charity (Faithville, Us) on 03/23/2015

A bug is responsible for cavities, fluoride doesn't kill it. This video is very informative

Replied by Anon


Posted by Robert Varela (Martinez, California) on 06/01/2014

A research study by 3-science Universities/Laboratories in Mexico, peer reviewed & accepted as of 2011 by the Int'l Journal of Environmental Research & Pub Health concluded the following :

"Data from our study show that, despite values of excretion within an optimal fluoride intake range, the prevalence of caries, (i.e., dental cavities), was significant in both groups, and 60% of the 11- to 12-year-old children presented with dental fluorosis. In addition, variable fluoride concentrations in products frequently consumed by children were found."

The study population included pre-schoolers, 4-5year olds, & school children, 11-12 year olds. The urinary excretion of fluoride was measured in both age groups Note that urinary excretion does not mean total excretion as there is a maximum excretion to absorbtive retention ratio meaning, there is always a unknown accumulative residue of fluoride which stores in boney structures & other non-osteo parts of the body such as glands, brain, etc., which the kidneys cannot completely eliminate. Fluorosis is the degradation of the dental enamel & represents a readily available exterior view of further internal damage. Besides China, Mexico is another manufacturer & supplier of fluoride to the U.S. & I was expecting a biased report/study to protect corporate interests. As fluoride is being used for medication, the type of fluoride is NOT pharmaceutical grade as required by the FDA for all medications provided in the U.S. The type supplied is agricultural grade which contains other toxic contaminants such as arsenic, lead, etc. I have also found that fluoride effects the neurodegeneration of the brain & one study found curcumin, as the agent responsible for most of the biological activity of turmeric, to be beneficial in protecting against this damage & that research is here:

The amount of curcumin used is 30mg/kg BW dissolved in olive oil which equals, approximately, 15mgs per pound of body weight. Curcumin is fat soluable & it is important to combine with a healthy fat such as coconut, fish oil, etc.

Fluoride in Medications  
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Posted by Robert (Martinez, Ca, Usa) on 05/10/2010

[WARNING!]  I was researching damage to the hippocampus, (see hippocampus on Wiki or equal),& found that many of the disease states listed from ADD to Alzheimers are very prevalent in society & many of the drugs prescribed for treatment contain in one form or another fluoride. Approximately 1500 antidepressants contain fluoride. A friend was prescribed a compound of cortisone cream for dermatitis which contained fluoride. Its everywhere folks, & its earlier use goes all the way back to guess who, Hitler. There are a few states that do not use fluoride in their drinking water & Hawaii as of 2-yrs ago was voting to remove its use from their water.

Fluoride in Water  
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Posted by Diane (Sherborn, MA) on 09/27/2014

Hi Bill, Do you know if a Brita water filter will remove Fluoride and chlorine from the water...I'm trying to get rid of both for my peripheral neuropathy from taking Cipro..Thank you

Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, Philippines

1224 Posts
Hi Diane...I really haven't got the greatest faith in Brita Water Filters:

Complaints from Consumer Affairs

I would simply find a good clean bottled source of mineral water and just use that.

Alkalizing your body and also drinking borax water(as recommended on EC) and supplementing lugols iodine will all help to remove the fluoride. Supplementing 10% sodium thiosulfate -- 6 drops in a glass of water per day -- will help you to neutralize the chlorine and will also help to detox heavy metals from your body.

Replied by Diane
Sherborn, MA
Bill, Thank you for the quick reply...Do you have a name brand of a "Good clean source of mineral water?" They all make claims and I am a bit reluctant to purchase any until I get a good referral, which would be from you. Thank you again...

* I also have dark black flecks of charcoal in my Brita filter. Didn't realize what it was until I read the consumer complaints you posted.

Replied by Joe
No, currently pitcher filters do not remove flouride from water. In fact, most filtration systems do not. Bone Char carbon removes flouride, in large part because it is 90% calcium. I have yet to find it in the high end forms of filtration cartridges(carbon block) but it can be found in refillable filtration cartridges as a granular product similar to standard GAC and in loose granuals to refill those cartridges. Activated alumina also removes flouride, but can leach aluminum into the water at low levels and is not as effective as bone char carbon. Finally, RO has been shown to remove up to 90% of flouride, but because free fluorine is much smaller than a water molecule, I suspect the majority of the reduction comes from removing fluoride compounds and that most free flouride passes through. Those cartridges will fit standard 10" filter housing, so I am installing an RO system and replacing one of the carbon impregnated cellulose cartridges with a bone char carbon cartridge. That gives the best of both.

Posted by Steve W (Jeddah, Saudi Arabia) on 11/27/2007

[YEA]  I have been living over seas for the past 6 months.

In regards to flouride. I have read extensively your articles. I would like to point out that you mention in one section that reverse osmosis bottled water such as Aquifina, etc are clean of flouride due to the fact that they are reverse osmosis filtered---HOWEVER I CAUTION YOU AND YOUR READERS---READ THE LABEL. Aquifina here in where I live and in the US last time I check had significant levels of Flouride AND Chlorine. While I cannot substantiate WHY it would I suspect it is because they are adding it AFTER filtering for "our benefit". I can tell you here even distilled water is curiously high in both flouride and chlorine AND IS MARKETED specifically for babies as "PURE Distilled water".

There has been a massive push in just the last 3 months here to add flouride to drinking water and almost every toothpaste that DID NOT have it, has now produced a version with it or even eliminated the non-flouridated product.

THIS is all being done ONLY under the guise that the American Dental Association has accepted flouride as a wonderful preventitive. I now wonder how many other widely accepted programs in foreign countries have' been created just because "America is doing it".

If only one thing, I stress again and again read the labels. You can at least keep yourself safe until they start taking the labels away, by then you should have your OWN water purification reverse osmosis or distiller to protect yourself if you do not already.

Replied by Jason Uttley
Speaking as someone who is hypersensitive to fluoride, I can tell you from experience that distilled water is normally fluoride free. I have seen a few cases of fluoride being added back to reverse osmosis filtered water, but that's not a common practice and I don't believe that occurs in the case of Aquafina. However, that said, Steve does make a good point in that one should always read the label of filtered water to see if it makes any reference to fluoride being added back in. Unfortunately, since one can't always rely on the label in the case of fluoride, you might consider using r/o water that doesn't indicate the addition of any minerals after the filtering process, unless it comes from a trusted source. For those individuals who prefer to have minerals in their water, I recommend buying a spring water that is known to be relatively fluoride-free, such as Chippewa spring water.
Replied by Carly
Warren, Mi
AquaFina is tap water from Detroit. It has fluoride in it.
Replied by Q12
Fairfax, Va, Us
Aquafina has 0.05 PPM Fluoride according to the USDA National Fluoride Database of Selected Beverages and Foods. See this link:

Compare that with the average 1 PPM that is added to the water supply.

EC: That's an excellent link, thanks! Please note however that the USDA chart was published in 2004.

To all: check out the worst fluoride offender on the food and beverage chart:
Tea, instant, powder, unsweetened: 89772
(# confirmed in the main .pdf here: )

Replied by Williamwwonka
San Jose, Ca/usa
The best information on fluoride you will ever hear is at the bottom of the Dr. John Lee, Dr. John Yiamouyannis, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, and Joanie Greggains give you the history, health effects, origins, and reasons why this toxic industrial waste product is banned in most countries of the world. The audio is 75 minutes long which fits perfectly on a regular audio cd. You might consider burning hundreds of cds and circulating them around your community. The pro-fluoridationists will have a much more difficult time doing their job when surrounded by an informed public. Good luck.
Replied by Filip
Cansas, Mi
There is no American Dental Association, there is no Dental Association of Russia... It's just a phrase that makes you believe that the product is good!
Replied by Linda
Los Angeles
Actually, there really is an American Dental Association ... ADA

Fluoride Poisoning Symptoms  
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Posted by Leo (Boca Raton, Florida) on 12/23/2008

Fluoride as a wonderful thing is not nearly the worst scam in the world. It should be added that fluoride, in small repetitive doses over time, such as using toothpaste with fluoride for years, destroys a certain area of the brain that makes the person more easily controllable. This is an example of how governments keep the masses from revolting. As for the REAL cause behind Lyme disease and all other related diseases, such as chronic fatigue syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS, etc. Check out the following link:

Go ahead and research that this link is truth and not some conspiracy theory. Check out U.S. Patent #5242820.

Thanks to all for the info on Borax and related.

Posted by Nicole (Stanton, CA) on 12/23/2008

[SIDE EFFECTS]  I am hoping you will start a new supplements section on iodine. Also another section on maybe causes of ailments, like fluoride and the problems it causes. Here is my story about fluoride, iodine, and thyroid....

I first noticed my husbands goiter close to 6 months ago, at that time it had become quite noticeable and was indeed very large. Obviously concerned for his health he went to see his doctor, who referred him to an endocrinologist, who then referred him to a surgeon. Strangely enough they told him his blood levels were normal and he didn't have a thyroid condition.... interesting since he has this giant goiter on his neck. lol

At the time there was so little that I knew about thyroid disease and I didn't have much interest in it, I was concerned for my husband but thought that surgery was the only option. Then my husband began to have panic attacks after my daughter was born, and at home no less (I now understand it to also cause and fluctuation of the thyroid hormone)! I honestly thought it was a mind over matter and went searching online to prove that he just needed to stop scaring himself. Instead what I found was that his panic attacks were actually caused by the goiter. Because I had my daughter at home without a midwife, just me him and my mother (planned it that way ; ) I had already learned a few natural remedies, while looking up honey and the wonderful benefits of it I also learned of coconut oil, though I only learned about it being good for pimples. I was interested in purchasing some coconut oil online and that's when I found some of the most amazing information. The site selling it said it helped with thyroid conditions, I wasn't going to believe them, after all they were selling it they would say anything to sell their product right? So I looked up thyroid forums and testimonies regarding the use of coconut oil and sure enough I found out that it was indeed beneficial to his thyroid. Well I ran out to the store and bought some the next day, in the car my husband was exhausted and began to have a panic attack and I told him to take some coconut oil, he only had a 1/4 of a teaspoon and ten minutes later his attack had subsided and he felt energized! After this experiment, we continued treatment and slowly worked up to 3tblspns a day where he's at now. After that revelation and since we had his attacks under control (and in fact after taking it for a week he no longer even experienced an attack) I went back online to find out what we needed to do to shrink his goiter. That's when I learned about iodine and how important it is and how many people are deficient and thus many are hypothyroid and even still many are undiagnosed with hypothyroidism. I also learned about what counteracts iodine, like soy which is a big one since it is in just about all prepackaged foods. When I found out how important iodine was for the thyroid and how the thyroid makes hormones for your whole body I became interested in what else iodine deficiency was responsible for, And do you know what I found? Lots! Here is a sight that lists all the symptoms of iodine deficiency...

But first, after realizing that my husbands thyroid was caused by a change in his diet, I began racking my brain thinking of what on earth has changed over the past year. I've been trying to figure it out for the past couple months and today I found it.

During our big change to all, well almost all, things healthy, I remembered reading about people using toothpaste that doesn't have fluoride in it.. I looked online for the reason why and WOW, what I found is shocking! Fluoride also counteracts iodine, it inhibits the uptake of iodine to your thyroid and we both know (at least by now) how important adequate amounts of iodine are to your thyroid. So I told my sister about it and she said that she didn't think we had fluoridated water, so I searched for the cities that had it in OC and that's when I came across this article ( ). I told my sister what I'd found out and how the time they added fluoride pretty much coincided with the onset of my husbands goiter and the worsening of his thyroid (I believe he has been hypothyroid for a long time as have I and my mother based on the symptoms) and my sister said that she has experienced a worsening of her asthma over the past year!

I am interested in asking friends of mine who have symptoms of iodine deficiency whether they experienced and increase or decrease in their symptoms over the last year (without divulging anything till they have answered so that my findings are not biased) I will report back later with some of my findings, but I am interested if anyone else has experienced similar problems after their area had been fluoridated.

Replied by Stargazer
Hibbing, Mn/usa
Borax helped me detox from fluoride. I didn't have fluoride poisoning, exactly, but my thyroid wasn't working well -- I only realised this years later, after things got REALLY bad & I was at long last diagnosed. The dr said I had an auto-immune disease, my immune system was attacking my thyroid. he said the thing to do was supplement the thyroid. I thought "why not try to balance the immune system?" but I didn't say anything.

Thanks to Ted's hint about borax, I am feeling better. In fact at times I have to stop & un-do some of my improvements, because I need my medicine lowered & the dr won't lower it yet.

what has helped me, very much, is:
eliminate all sources of fluoride; so , drink pure water, switch toothpaste, & cook from scratch using pure water.... avoid foods that cause trouble for the thyroid: peanut butter, broccoli/cabbage/etc.... avoid foods that OVERstimulate my immune system -- it is already over active so I sure don't need it more active! I rarely have oranges or other citrus any more.
When I do, I have that muscle-spams again, that I used to have all the time; I have to be sure to have anything like citrus, in the morning, & at night be certain I don't forget the borax, or else I will have restless legs at night. I find that taking selenium really helps. It helps balance my immune system. ...I also take kelp, about 1 or 2 capsules a day...and vitamin D. ...also, I did start adding iodine into my drinking water that I drink at night, and sometimes I apply it to my skin on my inner wrists (it's absorbed there). When I am doing everything , I stay well.

I don't know if my medicine contains fluoride. I hope not, but I am going to ask the pharmacist.