Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- POPULAR REMEDIES
- Borax Background
- Abdominal Pain, Bloating
- Athlete's Foot
- Bald Spots
- Borax and Gut Flora
- Borax and Hormones
- Borax Baths
- Borax Dosages
- Borax for Children
- Borax Instructions
- Borax Pentahydrate Vs Borax Decahydrate
- Borax Scent
- Borax Shampoo
- Borax Side Effects
- Boric Acid Vs Borax
- Boron Vs Borax
- Brain Fog, Lupus
- Demodex Mites
- Diluting Borax
- Fluoride Poisoning
- Foot Odor
- Fungal Infections
- General Feedback
- Hair and Scalp
- Healing Properties
- Lichen Planus
- Multiple Cures
- Mycobacteria Infection
- Pineal Gland Decalcification
- Rheumatoid Arthritis
- Rough Feet
- Scalp Infections
- Severe Pain, Arthritis, Libido
- Sinus Infections
- Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO)
- Ted's Borax Feedback
- Where to Buy
- Where to Buy Borax: Australia
- Where to Buy Borax: Canada
- Where to Buy Borax: India
- Where to Buy Borax: Indonesia
- Where to Buy Borax: Ireland
- Where to Buy Borax: Japan
- Where To Buy Borax: Malaysia
- Where to Buy Borax: Philippines
- Where to Buy Borax: Thailand
- Where to Buy Borax: Uk
- Where to Buy: Internet
- Where to Buy: Mexico
- Yeast Infections
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[YEA] 09/11/2013: Vital Salts from San Diego Ca: "For those having issues ingesting Borax I would suggest bathing. I had major healing bathing using various mineral salts in a hot bath for an hour a day for six weeks. I had been diagnosed with lyme and associated co infections including candida and cleared most if not all symptoms using bath salts, citrus (vit. C) and hydrogen peroxide in combination topically. I used Borax, Epsom, sea salts and dead sea salts together. I would also add half a bottle of Hydrogen peroxide and scrub my skin with citrus. I used about 4 cups total salt per bath. Soaking the neck and thyroid seems important and I cleared lumps around my thyroid and all sorts of skin anomalies. Whenever I feel sick again from environmental toxins and parasites I just take a few baths a week and it clears my system. I was sick for 8 years and tried western and non-traditional treatments and nothing worked like this bath formula. I never ate borax but did increase ingesting mineral salts, Vitamin C and MSM. I also like to put Borax in my work boots. I noticed a detox from this."Replies
10/11/2013: Yasha from Imnaha, Or replies: "Simple question: How much borax to put in bath? Don't want all that other info. Just HOW MUCH BORAX IN A BATH????? Cannot find a simple answer to a simple question in all of this website! Not really very helpful."
10/11/2013: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc replies: "Hello Yasha from Imnaha,
You ask how much borax for the bath:
If drinking, use 1/20th of a teaspoon in a gallon of water and drink throughout two days.
Yasha there is not an exact science on this. But if you read the material about oral consumption you'll see that VERY little is required. By extension I use proportionally the same for a bath. The absorption will be less than orally consumed but spread throughout the body allows for a diverse transfer to different regions. Less but better applied. Same idea for Epsom Salts baths. I can orally take a magnesium supplement (and I do) but also there is a broader or wider absorption with Salts baths. A very ancient remedy to many maladies.
Best to you,
10/11/2013: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa replies: "One cup per bath. Hope that helps!
~Mama to Many~"
10/11/2013: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa replies: "Uh oh. I just saw the I suggested way more than Dave. Go with Dave. He is basing his recommendation on science. I am basing my on limited experience. My husband did some borax baths and that is what he used. I will say he had no ill effects. He didn't do this long term.
~Mama to Many~"
10/12/2013: Baldev from Maharashtra, India replies: "Hi Yasha,
On this site Ted has recommended 1/4 tea spoon for men and 1/8 tea spoon of borax for women with 1/4 tea spoon of sea salt in one liter of water to be consumed through the day for internal use. Therefore, for bath one cup of borax should be ideal to get some benifit of borax for any health problem you are looking forward, may be don't soak for too long but I feel the concentration should be adequate to get the benefit.
10/12/2013: Timh from Ky, Usa replies: "I have been using 1/4 cup Borax in hot baths for many months now, in addition to many other major & trace minerals w/ only temporary results. Last time I took 750mg Lufenuron prior to bath and did seem to have better results for my fungal issue. Also, as for combination therapy, I have taken Berberine following the bath which seemed to improve the situation."
01/02/2014: Diana from Papillion Ne replies: "How much borax etc did you use in combination for your bath to make 4 cups?"
03/08/2014: Yochana from Andalusa Spain replies: "Hi,
What kind of seasalt do I use and what kind of dead sea salt and how much and how much hydrogene peroxide and is the cheap kind ok? any side effects from these and any problems with borax in tub. Is it safe? Thanks yochana"
01/04/2011: Ginaraye from Waxahachie, Texas, Usa: "Hi earth clinic and ted! I used ted's mange cure on my dog, and a couple of neighbor's dogs, too, thanks so much for that! The borax pointed me to fluoride de-tox and I have pretty much eliminated my fluoride intake. I use ted's borax remedy in my drinking water and paint with iodine occasionally. I still have a stiff neck and creakiness sometimes, though. It just occurred to me it is probably from increased coffee drinking now that it is winter.
Also now that it is winter, I would like a hot bath! What i'd like to know is if borax in the bath water will prevent absorption of fluoride, and if so, how much borax should I use? my city is just now becoming aware of fluoride toxicity and I think we could all use the information! Thanks, gina"Replies
09/27/2011: Kelly from Catawissa, Mo, Usa replies: "I would very much like to know how much Borax to add to the bath tub for fluoride removal. My fibromyalgia and pain has me bed-ridden, and I just found out that tea is high in fluoride. I drink 1-2 pots a day. I also have fluoride in my well water. They do not manufacture fluoride filters for showers or bath faucets, so this seems to be my only choice. I have a big 6' tub. So I suppose I need a ratio. Please advise, as this is EXTREMELY important for my health! Thanks"
04/30/2014: Captain Boron from Planet Boron replies: "They do make shower head filters which are very effective. My skin went from dry and itchey after shower to smooth and soft. I also can't smell any chlorine/chemicals in the shower like I used to.
They price from about 20-200 depending how hardcore of a model you get. I found mine at Home depot."
05/26/2014: Eduardo from Spain: "Dear Mr. Ted,
I hope this finds you well. I am writing to ask you a few questions regarding Borax intake. I've read that Borax may help in increasing the free testosterone and at the same time reducing the estrogen levels, so I have decided to give it a try. Recently, I started to take Lugol's iodine along with Vit C, Magnesium (400 mg), a B complex (50 mg) and Selenium (200 mcg). As for the appropriate dosage for Borax, I am quite confused. I have prepared the 1 litre concentrate with water (non fluorated) and a teaspoon of Borax. Yesterday I took 1 teaspoon of the liquid concentrate and I intend to do this daily with 2 days off as you suggest. 1. Is this dosage ok? 2. How would you recommend -if you do- to increase the dosage? 2. How much Boron is there in 1 teaspoon of liquid Borax concentrate? 2. How much would be the maximum safe dosage per day -in teaspoons? 3. How long does Boron take to have a noticeable effect or to build up in the body? Thank you in advance for your kind reply. Best Regards, Eduardo SPAIN"Replies
05/29/2014: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "I don't know how much boron is in the concentrate. What I do know is it most boron concentrate isn't too much. I expect to have effect one month on the average.
01/16/2014: David from Birdsboro, Pa.: "I am confused about the dosage equivalents of Borax. How much boron is in an eighth teaspoon of Borax? Some say 13.75mg of boron and others say 55 mg, and others say different numbers. I do not want to ingest a daily amount of more than 20mg of boron, but now I am not sure what the true measures are, and I can't seem to find a consensus of measurement value from the people who recommend using borax.
People who use the eighth teaspoon in a liter of water/day: are they consuming extrememly high amounts of boron?
Please clear this up for me. Regards, Dave"Replies
01/16/2014: Mike62 from Denver replies: "David: Rat studies for 3 generations found no effects at 30mg/kg/day of boron. Human studies on boron miners found no effects. A review of accidental poisoning of 10-88g boric acid, 88% were no effect. One reason for the fluctuations in mg of boron could be the various locations where borax is mined."
[YEA] 02/10/2014: Zolor from Dallas, Tx replies: "1/8 tsp =.5 ml, 1/4 tsp 1 ml, 1 tsp = 5 ml"
08/11/2013: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "What is the rationale for diluting borax in so much water - a litre of water? Do you really need that much water?"Replies
[YEA] 02/26/2014: Sandra from The Netherlands replies: "Hello, I am amazed with the contradictory info about Sodium Tetraborate B4Na2O7 10H2O, on the package is saying WARNING/DANGER/TOXIC.
My questions are: Is this the right one? How come people use this for healing?
If you find the time, I would appreciate your reply.
Thanks, kind regards, Sandra"
02/26/2014: Mike62 from Denver replies: "Sandra: I take 250mg borax/day."
02/26/2014: Louwrence from Rustenburg South Africa replies: "Hi Sandra, I have been using borax for years & I also use it to kill cockroaches. It is a very old remedy. So do not be afraid."
05/19/2013: Precisely from Mineral Hill, New Mexico, Usa: "Hi TrudyG and all others suffering from insomnia,
I also have opposite reactions to pharmacy drugs, OTC & Rx. Three things have helped me ENORMOUSLY, and all of them don't seem to be mentioned in this thread: http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/insomnia6.html#MR_100360
First, taking a nightly capsule of organic borage oil, regular dose, an hour before bed got me deeply asleep, deeply dreaming, and very calm/confident-feeling the next day. It does take about 3 weeks for most people to have results, although I seem to recall it was more like 10 days for me. After a while I ran out and forgot to take it, only remembered while reading here.
Next, I got an inversion table. You can set it so that you start with a relatively low angle of inversion, by tying the strap underneath--say, 20-30 degrees for at least 10 minutes. That feels like plenty to me. If your heart is lower than your feet by 17 degrees, apparently the lymph glands release and clear. Other benefits I've noticed: practically no asthma, NO INSOMNIA, back pain decreased and overall well-being increased. Not to mention, better circulation.
However I am forgetful so the latest thing I take is borax. This is actually covered in depth at http://educate-yourself.org/cn/boraxconspiracy03jul12.shtml.
In my case, I was looking for help with my out-of-control restless legs syndrome, which, on the first day, diminished almost to nothing (now my Requip prescription of. 25 mg is more than sufficient, where before even 1mg spaced throughout the day barely controlled it. ).
Now I take the borax right before sleep, and I sleep deeply and w/o interruption for 8plus hrs. And I wake up feeling crisp! Also my asthma, which had me audibly wheezing prior to the borax, is slowly disappearing. It's also a fabulous detoxer, and is anti-microbial and perhaps also alkalining too.
At first I took the Borax in the morning, but after 3 weeks, it started to make me very sleepy so I switched to bedtime. It's very fast-acting--one minute I'm lying in bed wide awake, wondering when it's going to start knocking me out, and the next minute, I'm so deeply asleep I haven't even noticed I was getting sleepy, it's so immediate a response.
My friends who are also taking borax find that they have more energy. I MAY be feeling more energetic, but the stuff still knocks me out, so experiment on a laid-back, no-driving-etc-day to see how it affects you.
The other reason I was taking borax is that it balances the whole body's hormone, endocrine, and glandular system over time. I've been taking it now for at least 3 months. I've increased my dose to a tablespoon (from a teaspoon). Just last week it seemed to me that my post-menopausal dryness was no longer an issue. I intend to continue taking this forever.
Oh yes, another borax good result: my neighbor, 70 yrs old, fell off a horse and broke 2 ribs. Since he won't go to doctors, I gave him some borax. He says his ribs healed fast, and with much less pain than the other times they have broken.
Dosing excerpts from midway through the link at beginning of this post:
Firstly, dissolve a lightly rounded teaspoonful (5-6 grams) of borax in 1 litre of good quality water* free of chlorine and fluoride. This is your concentrated solution. Keep the bottle out of reach of small children. (* I''m using distilled water)
Standard dose = 1 teaspoon (5 ml) of concentrate. This has 25 to 30 mg of borax and provides about 3 mg of boron. Take 1 dose per day mixed with drink or food. If that feels right then take a second dose with another meal. If there is no specific health problem or as a maintenance dose you may continue indefinitely with 1 or 2 doses daily. "
(elsewhere in my reading people taking the borax-in-water cure seem to take it for 5 days, stop for 2, then start again for 5 days, off for 2 days, and so on. )
"If you do have a problem, such as arthritis, osteoporosis and related conditions, menopause, stiffness due to advancing years, and also to improve low sex hormone production, increase intake to 3 or more spaced-out standard doses for several months or longer until you feel that your problem has sufficiently improved. Then drop back to 1 or 2 doses per day. "
BTW... Trazodone HCL does work for my insomnia. At first I had to double-dose but now I can take 1/4 pill and that will also knock me out.... But why bother when borax is much safer and helps with so many cures.
Last I would like to thank Joy and Everyone about mentioning the water cure. I think adding the right salt will help w my frequent urination, thirst, and allergies. Had forgotten that histamine is a dehydration response. Beginning to wonder if I was developing diabetes. Would diabetes show up in a hair sample?
Many Blessings! "
EC: This wonderful feedback on borax was originally posted in our insomnia section here: http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/insomnia.html
02/27/2013: Chris from Miami, Fl, Usa: "I have yet to find any discussion on how long of a period of time it is safe to take 1/4 teaspoon of Borax per liter of water. I have been doing 4 days on and 3 days off to help raise my PH while taking many other natural remedies to kill my H. Pylori. I like the idea of raising my PH that I would like to know a recommended maintenence plan for the rest of my life using Borax. For example is it safe to have a little every day or continue to do 4 days on and 3 days off? Also, is it too hard on the body to do the sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate while using the Borax for the rest of my life?"Replies
03/23/2013: Chris from Miami, Fl, Usa replies: "I had asked a question and did not hear back. Would you please take the time to let me know your opinion on the long term use and doseages of drinking borox? It makes my joints hurt. Also what dosage do you recommend for long term use of sodium bicarbonate mixed with sodium carbonate?"
05/11/2013: Badabing! from Cape Town, South Africa replies: "Hey Chris, Regarding dosages. Borax is pretty safe at low dosages. Its toxicity is lower than table salt. You'd have to be taking a lot before things would dtart to go wrong for you health-wise. As a guide: if you dissolve a level teaspoon (5ml) of borax in a litre of water and then consume 5ml of that per day then you are taking in somewhere in the region of 7mg of borax per day. That's okay for a maintenance dose. Your 1/4 teaspoon is low but perfectly fine too.
My best advice is to start low and then really learn to listen to your body. Listen to how it feels. Pick up the dosage a little and then see. Trust yourself and your body. You'll do fine.
Good health to you!
02/15/2013: Maria from Sydney, Australia: "Hi Ted, and anyone else out there, thanks again for sharing all your wonderful experiences and knowledge!
I wanted to know if borax at the 1/8 teaspoon in 1 lt of water taken 3 to 4 days a week over three weeks is too much for an elderly person?
My mum is 87 yrs suffering from chronic arthritis and pneumonia, last year we thought we would lose her at the hands of the hospital due to the excessive amounts of drugs. I would like to try it with her before winter returns.
The reason I ask is I know it's highly alkaline and Dr Sircus mentions in his book for Bicarb therapies not to take more than 3 x 1/2 teaspoon bicarb per day if over 60. ( I assumed it was due to the alkalinity) and wondered if it's the same with Borax.
02/15/2013: Claudine from New York, Ny replies: "Hi Maria, I personally would be careful with that amount of borax for someone your mother's age. If she starts to detox from heavy metals too rapidly, it might cause her to weaken considerably. How about considering the homeopathic dosage of borax instead of the powder?"
02/18/2013: Sandra from Sydney, Australia replies: "Maria, I don't think I would be giving my 87 year old mother borax. I would keep to foods.
Apple Cider vinegar (1-2 tablespoons in a big glass of water) and lemon juice every morning in warm water are both good for arthritis. They both dissolve the calcium deposits around the arthritic joints. If you have ever had a kettle that calcified and cleaned it with vinegar you can see how it dissolves calcified things.
I don't know whether borax is organic or inorganic. If it is inorganic the body cannot utilise it. Apple cider vinegar and lemon juice are organic and have many health benefits apart from being good for arthritis."
03/23/2013: Dude from Reston, Va replies: "http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm: The article details the arthritis dosages, it's only 30 miligrams per day. Way less than 1/4 or 1/8 teaspoon."
05/11/2013: Badabing! from Cape Town, South Africa replies: "Sandra said "If it is inorganic the body cannot utilise it."
I'm sorry Sandra but that is incorrect. The word "organic" is oft misunderstood and misused. In this context it basically refers to mollecules containing carbon. So table salt (NaCl), for example, is inorganic. You wouldn't wish to have me believe that the body cannot utilise salt, would you? Our bodies would die without a whole host of micronutirents which are all inorganic.
The other definition of "organic" is a descriptor of farming practices (not using artificial pesticides and fertilizers). Though this too is a vastly misuderstood topic it does not apply here.
In brief then: borax is an inorganic compound of sodium, boron and oxygen. When it is ingested the body uses particularly the boron as a vital micronutient as we get enough sodium from other sources."
05/11/2013: Badabing! from Cape Town, South Africa replies: "Maria said "I wanted to know if borax at the 1/8 teaspoon in 1 lt of water taken 3 to 4 days a week over three weeks is too much for an elderly person?"
Maria, I think that sounds fine. You'll be starting your mum on a very low dose so you can see how she goes. At such a low dosage you are extremely unlikely to get adverse symptoms (as might happen from a too fast heavy-metal chelation or a too fast die-off of candida or other pathogens). Then, as her body acclimatizes you can slowly up the dose. You can comfortably take it up to as much as 1 teaspoon per litre - just don't give her more than a teaspoon of the mixture per day. See how this goes. You can keep her at that level for years with no problems but you can also drop it back down to a lower maintenance dose later.
Dude said "only 30 miligrams per day. Way less than 1/4 or 1/8 teaspoon."
Dude, the recommended dosage is perhaps a 1 teaspoon of borax in a litre of water of which only 1 teaspoon is taken per day. This will deliver about 7mg effective dosage per day which is good for healing most boron-deficiency diseases. Once health is regained then one can go down to about 1/4 teaspoon for a maintenance dose."
06/08/2011: Lee from Adelaide, Australia: "Hi Ted, I'm considering the Borax regime for Mycoplasma and / or Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS). When checking a suitable dosage I stumbled upon this link - Effect of borax on immune cell proliferation:
AS is considered an auto immune disorder and I'd really like to hear your comments.
I've learned so much from Earth Clinic. Thanks. :)"Replies
06/22/2011: Georgie from Rapid City, Sd, Usa replies: "I would be interested to know Ted's response to this question as I too, suffer from AS. Thanks!"
06/23/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "As to dosages, please check previous postings on borax toxicity I been through that so many times. If you are still not convinced, then don't do it. As to the link you submitted, borax according to them is toxic at 0.6 mg/ml -- that is equivalent in drinking terms 600 grams per liter. That is hardly the dose I am considering. The dosage I use is 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon (women requires low dose 1/8 then men 1/4 because of their size) per liter of water. That means it is added in all liters you drink and you determine if that remedy is helping you, and it doesn't require a long time, you should know within 3 to 7 days at the most. It is an essential mineral and the dose is much less than LD50. I calculate my dose assuming you weigh only one kilogram and need just 1/2 of that is my calculations for maximum dose and it is lower still if the person has any side effects on that amount. Therefore, the dose of 1/8 for women's dose is based on that.
As to details of ankylosing spondylitis, I don't have many patients here, probably I seen one or two. What I can conclude with certainty is it helps. The autoimmune disease for all mycoplasma and mycobacterium is really simple, the mycobacterium enters healthy cells and infects the inner cells, that's why is is so difficult to kill it and that is why they referred to as attacking healthy cells, but they are not healthy. Suppressing immune system would hardly be the way to go.
However there are a couple of avenues I found where we can kill them from the inside. Remember that nearly all antibiotics are useless with attacking the inside the cells they do not enter the insides of cells. There is one or two antibiotics that does get inside the cells - one is doxycycline the second one is minocycline. For the desperate I guess they will even try the second one. The doxycycline use is a lot better, which is one capsule and twice a day for the first time, and thereby once a day it takes about a week to know some effect but the people here it takes them only a day. Minocycline is a generally not recommended because of side effects, but those who do not respond will try it anyway. It causes nausea.
As to the borax, you can mix with hydrogen peroxide 3% one capful per 1 liter of water and 1/8 teaspoon. It hardly has any side effects, unless you have other issues, such as metal poisoning, in that case we treat metal poisoning first such as mercury poisoning amalgam or lead poisoning, in which case I prefer to use disodium EDTA or my favorite tetra Sodium EDTA, as it is less acidic. Without the metal poisoning it will be a bit easier by skipping this step and add take borax with hydrogen peroxide. In order to allow the body some breathing room between oxidation and anti-oxidation, you can try hydrogen peroxide for 5 days and no hydrogen peroxide for 2 days, and borax for all days.
The other way I have developed of killing the infection from the inside the cells is DMSO and Lugol's with aloe vera oil applied from the outside. That works too. There is also another method I have tried which is Castor oil with DMSO, that works too. And then if he doesn't respond to that one, this respond positively no matter what is the DMSO with tannic acid, where tannic acid is given at 1/8 teaspoon per 100 cc of DMSO and mixed with 30% to 50% water. As to the castor oil and DMSO is mixed with 50% each. As to the Lugol's and DMSO it's just applying Lugol's the area and then apply DMSO, then to relieve the inflammation I apply the aloe vera oil.
That's just the initial success then to help you way to recovery I probably require aloe vera oil drops between 5 to 10 drops, magnesium chloride solution 8 drops three times a day, and some 5000 i.u. of vitamin D2 or vitamin D3.
There is one thing you have to be aware of, normal antibiotics takes 9 months that's just for doxycycline. so I expected any natural remedies would take that long too, because mycobacterium that lines the inside the cells takes time, but if you do things right it may require less time.
In Bangkok things are a little strange. I chase clients because I think I have a cure, but people from Earthclinic at least, they are chasing me! There's probably an explanation in order as to why this occurs. It seems as if people here have the cure or at least something that will help them for their condition and therefore I am just drowned by other competitors! Since competition usually wins out (hospitals and other alternative healers) I spend my day typing out remedies if I have a free time.
P.S. The website mentioned in your post is administering a toxic dose even at 0.1 mg per milliliter works out to 100 mg per 100 milliliter works out to 1000 grams per 1000 milliliter. My dose is 1/8 teas per 1000 milliter or 1 liter."
07/07/2011: Lee from Adelaide, South Australia replies: "Thanks Ted for your detailed response. I dont like the thought of antibiotic treatment as I know how important the bacteria in my gut is to my entire system and would prefer to go 'naturally'. So, after much research on EC, I am going to attempt the following regime to try to kill mycoplasma and alleviate my Ankylosing Spondylitis. Colloidial Silver, EDTA, Borax & Hydrogen Perioxide, followed by Calcium Bentonite then MSM (cannot purchase DSMO) with Lugols transdermally. Aloe, D3, etc to assist healing. Will let you know the outcome. Thanks again. Lee"
07/08/2011: Lee from Adelaide, South Australia replies: "Hi again Ted. I've done more research on sourcing DSMO as I'm concerned that using MSM instead of DSMO will make a difference in the regime??? However, I found this patent also dealing with sulfoxides FYI. Kind regards.
11/02/2011: Simon from London Uk replies: "Can I just double check with anyone that can answer-I have recently discovered this site and have read about Borax and so ordered some from ebay. Labelled BORAX (Sodium Tetraborate) -Decahydrate.
This is definitely ok to ingest... At the recommended dosage of 1/8th of a teaspoon per litre of water?
Sounds great-just wanna check there are no dangers. Thanks!"
11/03/2011: Becky From Ohio from Northeastern, Ohio, Usa replies: "Hi Simon, Yes, however weird it may seen to ingest something people use as a laundry detergent, it is safe. I have been using 1/8 tsp for quite a while now. I will usually go for a few weeks, then take a few days off. It has pretty much cured my knee pain. I highly recommend it."
11/30/2011: Colleen from Whitewater, Wi replies: "Ted wrote: "06/23/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "As to dosages, please check previous postings on borax toxicity I been through that so many times. If you are still not convinced, then don't do it. As to the link you submitted, borax according to them is toxic at 0. 6 mg/ml -- that is equivalent in drinking terms 600 grams per liter"
Your conversion is way off...0.6mg/ml is equivalent in drinking terms to 600mg(not grams)/liter. An amount much smaller than you converted it to.
In addition, Ted further mentions: "
P.S. The website mentioned in your post is administering a toxic dose even at 0. 1 mg per milliliter works out to 100 mg per 100 milliliter works out to 1000 grams per 1000 milliliter. My dose is 1/8 teas per 1000 milliter or 1 liter."
???Wha?...Again, 0.1mg/ml works out to 100mg (not grams) per 1000ml. How much does 1/8 teas. Weigh?
If you're going to be giving dosages and toxicity information you should really get your conversions correct! Your two errors are off by a factor of 1000!
According to THE PDR[Physicians Desk Reference] for Nutritional Supplements, "consuming greater than 180 mg elemental boron daily showed symptoms of poor appetite and digestive problems. Symptoms of acute toxicity typically include nausea, diarrhea and abdominal cramps. The symptoms of chronic toxicity include nausea, poor appetite and weight loss.... Optimal intake may be 2 to 3 mg[no Dietary reference intake has yet been established for boron]"
How much elemental boron does your suggested dosage contain? Borax is approximately 11% boron, which means that even a small dose of 100mg of borax is supplying 11mg of boron, which is about 5 times the optimal suggested intake according to the PDR. Too much boron daily will accumulate over time.
How about the way borax reacts when it hits stomach acid (HCl)? Were you aware that the reaction creates boric acid?
Na2B4O7Â·10H2O 2 HCl %u2192 4 B(OH)3 [or H3BO3] 2 NaCl 5 H2O
Could explain the symptoms of acute toxicity.
If borax is so "safe", why has it been banned in the US as a food additive. Indonesia has connected the use of borax in the food industry to liver cancer with prolonged usage/digestion (5-10 years).
Promoting this "remedy" for metal detoxing is foolish and irresponsible, especially when there are so many safer and more effective alternatives. How about Cilantro/Parsley Pesto for metal detox, or Golden Seal for fluoride detox? These food based remedies are much less speculative and risky for your visitors.
Not saying boron is unimportant for bone health, just that borax should be saved for external and household uses, especially since there's no way to monitor one's accumulation of boron/borax/boric acid except by paying attention to symptoms.... which could easily be mistaken for the flu, rather than chronic boron toxicity from long term use."
03/28/2012: Miriam from Nyc, Ny / Usa replies: "A quick Google check reveals that a teaspoon is equivalent to 5 ml. At 1/4 tsp a day for men, that means an ingestion of only 1. 25 ml per day. For women the recommended usage is half that amount.
This is in the order of 1% of the theoretical toxic dose - hardly threatening.
Colleen, if you are fact checking, then you should check all relevant facts."
04/16/2012: Tauqir from Bradford, England replies: "I have spent so much time trying to make sense of the precise dosages for Borax. It is very clearly reccommended that it is 1/8 teaspoon for women and 1/4 teaspoon for men (in a litre of water sipped throughout the day). Can someone give a precise weight in milligrams for 1/4 teaspoon and 1/8 teaspoon as the information on this site suggests 250mg to 1000mg for 1/4 teaspoon. Perhaps we have varying teaspoons but I also suspect that some people are deliberately providing contradictory/confusing information as they represent big pharma interests. Please clear this issue up please. In the interest of safety and accuracy we should not use rough measurements such as spoons, cups, a glass etc."
04/16/2012: Skyraider from Chattanooga, Tn replies: "I personally would stay away from borax, there are many other good options here to clear up your aliments."
04/17/2012: Tauqir from Bradford, West Yorkshire, England replies: "I have known people who have treated themselves succesfully with Borax. That is the reason I wanted to try it. The problem is that they all took different dosages. I simply wanted to follow an established protocol. What is 1/4 teaspoon in milligrams? The difference on this site has varied enormously. Experienced users! Please Help. Thanks."
06/13/2012: Aussiesteve from Port Macquarie, Australia replies: "I think it is worth highlighting that the dosages mentioned by that study I. E. 0.1mg/ml - 0.6mg/ml refers to concentrations of borax in BLOOD not WATER. Given that borax is very poorly absorbed and we have approx 4200ml of blood in our bodies, it would need huge quantities of borax ingested to approach anywhere near the concentrations suggested by that experiment."
08/20/2012: Linda from San Francisco, Ca, USA replies: "For Taquir, I measured 1/8 teaspoon and 1/4 teaspoon amounts of 20 Mule Team Borax from the local grocery on a Precision Professional Digital Mini Scale ____ (This scale cost me about $30. retail in Florida, USA).
Since lumps in the Borax are compacted and Borax is a comparatively heavy substance, I mashed the lumps in the Borax powder loose before measuring (Clearly from the following measurements I must have missed a few tinies though). Since this Borax has about the same toxicity as table salt, I am sure the minute difference is negligible in effect.
My procedure was: Wack the lumps, fill the scoop, level off the scoop, then pour contents of the scoop into tare container and measure weight. The tare container was cleared of debris before each measurement.
Here are my measurement results:
1/4 teaspoon 20 Mule Team weighs .73 grams, or 730 milligrams
1/8 teaspoon 20 Mule Team weighs.34 grams, or 340 milligrams
So Bangkok Ted recommends 1/4 teaspoon Borax per litre of water for men, and 1/8 teaspoon Borax per litre of water for women.
08/23/2012: Rouven from New York, Ny replies: "Am I the only one questioning all these remedies coming from one person only? It's great Ted gives his opinion and maybe tried successfully the borax way. I just wonder why there is no other professional opinion (not from pharma paid doctors but alternative health practioners).
I agree many suggestion are great but others I am not sure and it does raise question why everyone would just trust one person and go buy borax in laundry section. At least I've seen a couple of confused peopel on here."
09/02/2012: Linda from Sf, Ca replies: "To Rouven from NY:
You see a lot of posting on here to Ted because his recommendations have helped many here.
01/07/2013: James from Lakefield, Qc, Canada replies: "Dr. Rex Newnham who first investigated the relation between Boron and Arthritus was using 60 mg Borax per day in his studies.
The Royal australian Hospital in Melbourne was also using 60 mg Borax per day in their 1980's studies which showed a 70% success rate for a group of people aged 55-74.From Wikipedia:
..."Elemental boron, boron oxide, boric acid, borates, and many organoboron compounds are non-toxic to humans and animals (approximately similar to table salt). The LD50 (dose at which there is 50% mortality) for animals is about 6 g per kg of body weight. Substances with LD50 above 2 g are considered non-toxic. The minimum lethal dose for humans has not been established. An intake of 4 g/day of boric acid was reported without incidents, but more than this is considered toxic for more than a few doses. Intakes of more than 0. 5 grams per day for 50 days cause minor digestive and other problems suggestive of toxicity. Nielsen, Forrest H. (1997). Plant and Soil 193"
So I would suggest that it is not neccessary to use ten times what the above researchers were using. Instead, results should be seen using only 1/16 teaspoon and it will be considerably safer."
08/23/2010: Mari from Yonkers, Ny, Usa: "My 8yr old daughter has early signs of puberty. Enlarged breasts, genital hair, underarm hair and slight underarm odor. My 3 yr old has grown 2 inches in 6months and has enlarged breast. I will get bone scan results during the week. In the meantime I read about Borax usage. I want to try for my entire family. What recommended dosage for kids and when to give. What other advice can you give? Please help."Replies
08/25/2010: T from Maryland, Usa replies: "I would stop all dairy immediately unless you were getting it from a known organic and hormone-free source. Avoid plastics in contact with food -- this includes canned goods with BPA linings, bottled water, and microwaving in plastic. BPA and bovine growth hormones are strongly suspected in abnormally early puberty. As far as borax, I would not be giving it to a child. Some here will disagree. Remember that kidney damage is irreversible. Consider carefully what you choose to do."
08/26/2010: Brobertson from Tomball, Tx, United Stated replies: "I would also suggest that you avoid anything with soy. Soy is known to have estrogen-like chemicals. You search on the internet for soy and estrogen - lots of stuff out there."
04/19/2011: W from B, Arkansas replies: "I think I read that boric acid is what can cause kidney damage, not Borax, they are different.
Also, check all toiletries (shampoo, conditioner, lotion, body wash, etc) for -parabens (ethylparaben, anything that ends with paraben). They are cheap preservatives that act as estrogens. Find the items you need that DON'T have parabens, it can be difficult but they are out there."
07/25/2010: Tenderfoot from Las Cruces, Nm, Usa: "Deirdre - I've been using the 1 liter water and 1/8 tsp borax remedy for candida and it's helping, but not a lot. As I am a very tall female and not a light weight I surmised that my dosage should be the same as a man's, 1/4 tsp borax, since I am large. Could you please get Ted to specify the correct dosages by weight instead of gender and post it? Also, how long should we stay on this regimen? Thanks."
EC: Hi Tenderfoot,
Great questions, thanks. Sent to Ted for response.
01/30/2010: Nicholas from Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire: "Hi I have nothing against borax but just so you know what levels are harmful or have adverse effects I wanted to post this abstract from a study in the area. I would be keen to hear feedback, I unfortunatly can't access the study myself without paying to see it. So the limited information I have attained from this study is that you are safe to use borax as long as you can keep the levels at 175 ppm as (boron equivalent).
What sort of dose that is I do not know and would not like to go over it.
Now I have heard it is a great chemical for chelation of metals. Does it also chelate fluorides? This is really my main interest as fluorides are recommended to be kept below a certain level and evidence suggests I would be surpassing this. Not that I would no how to test this to be true.
One last comment the zeolite clinoptilite sounds brilliant for taking the heavy metals, I have done little research into it, all thoughts and responses welcome. Thank you
Here's the abstract:
In Sprague-Dawley rats the acute po LD50 values for borax were 4.5 g/kg and 4.98 g/kg in males and females. respectively; boric acid, 3.45 g/kg in males and 4.08 g/kg in females. In Long-Evans male rats the LD50 values for borax and boric acid were 6.08 g/kg and 3.16 g/kg, respectively. In 90 day feeding studies, rats tolerated both borax and boric acid at 525 ppm boron equivalent. Dogs displayed no adverse effect at 175 ppm of borax (as boron equivalent) and 525 ppm of boric acid (as boron equivalent). In rats, high boron levels at 1750 and 5250 ppm of both compounds caused growth suppression, decreased food utilization efficiency, degeneration of gonads and skin desquamation on the paws and tails. At the 1750 ppm level, both boron compounds produced testicular atrophy in all male dogs. Two year dietary feeding studies indicated that both borax and boric acid could be tolerated by rats and dogs at 350 ppm boron equivalent. Rats fed dietary boron compounds at 1170 ppm levels showed toxic signs which were found to be similar to those observed in subchronic studies. Testicular degeneration was also observed in rats and dogs fed 1170 ppm levels. Reproduction studies revealed that rats fed both borax and boric acid at 1170 ppm boron equivalent were sterile. Both compounds at 350 ppm boron equivalent had no adverse effect on fertility, lactation, litter size, weight and appearance."
EC: The above-referenced abstract is from ScienceDirect here.
Here is ppm conversion chart: http://www.peteducation.com/category.cfm?c=0+1305
01/30/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "If you compare the borax LD50 (median lethal dose) values to that of ordinary table salt, you will get some clarity as to the comparable toxicity of Borax. Here is the LD50 values for the oral toxicity of table salt in a rat study:
LD50 is 3000 mg/kg in rats.
Link to MSDS sheet for salt:
So when compared to the LD50 figures for borax (from the last post) this means that borax appears to be of a similar toxicity to rats as ordinary table salt. Anything above LD50 2000 mg/kgm is generally regarded as Low Toxicity."
02/01/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Borax was used to remove fluoride poisoning in a Rabbit study given toxic doses of fluoride. Boron is also a required mineral. The doses of boric acid (which is more toxic then borax) in the study quoted is estimated at doses of roughly 4.5 g to 4.90 grams/kg, would be equivalent of taking boric acid (which equivalent) in a typical 70 kg adult of 4.5x70 grams to 4.98 x 70 grams. The idea of fluoride removal using borax was based on a toxicity research on giving fluoride at toxic dose, rabbits fed on borax were protected from the fluoride poisoning. If there is difficulty in using fluoride or obtaining them, it's possible to eat tamarind which is also an good chelation agent of fluoride too, however, borax has a unique property in being less toxic then boric acid, and it's alkaline, but it's also a required mineral and normalizes hormone level. Different studies used higher LD50 on borax toxicity, but I used a much lower figures about 2 grams/kg, where the toxicity is equivalent to salt, which has a value roughly 2 grams/kg weight also. A chelation agent of mineral I can use humic acid, zeolite, or a mixture of humic acid and zeolite together also. However, humic acid interestingly enough lowers excitotoxicity (aspartate and glutamate) that's found high in ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) and aspartame poisoning, found in many sugar free products, one interesting side effect is the desire to pee every 30 minutes or so throughout the day. It takes about 1-4 weeks to remove this extreme urinary urgency. Fluoride on the other hand has a suppressive effect, but both together cause (with aspartame) caused extreme sleeplessness and apathy at even low doses, found in fluoridation and fluoridated toothpaste. As to whether borax removes or chelate fluoride, the idea of chelation requires more chemical analysis at a molecular level, and i can't find a research study on that one. However, there is increase in fluoride excretion when borax for example, implying the removal of fluoride, and possibly chelation of fluoride. In which case the level of toxic reaction to fluoride is removed whenever fluoride is taken at toxic doses, and using the borax, for example, as the antidote. The idea of using borax is based on subacute doses of luoride poisoning, which is a common one given the excessive fluoride consumption, is based on this study:
Fluoride 1981; 14(1):21-29
Boron as antidote to fluoride: effect on bones and claws in subacute intoxication of rabbits
Elsair J, Merad R, Denine R, Azzouz M, Khelfat K, Hamrour M, Alamir B, Benali S, Reggabi M
Laboratories of Physiology, Toxicology and Galenic Pharmacy, Medical Institute, Algiers, Algeria
Summary: Rabbits were "subacutely" intoxicated by administration of 30 mg/kg/day of fluoride for 3 months followed by 15 mg/kg/day for a subsequent 3 months (F). Boron was given alone (B) as preventive and simultaneously with fluoride prophylactically (F + Bp), as well as therapeutically namely midway during the experimental period (F + Bpc) while fluoride was being administered and after it was discontinued (Bc compared with fluoirde interuption F*), at a constant F/B ratio. All groups were compared to normal controls.
Boron administered during fluoride intoxication or after its interruption, reduces fluoremia and increases urinary fluoride excretion. Skeletal fluoride levels are directly relatd to those of claws. They bear no relationship to fluoride in hair. The high fluoride content in bone in lot F decreases with addition of boron. It is still high in lot F* but returns to normal in loc Bc. Calcium content of bones remains normal in all lots. Posterior pad radiography shows a cortical thickness in lot F which is less pronounced in lots F + Bpc and F*, and returns to normal in lot Bc.
If a person were to take very high amounts of fluoride, then you need a combination of other remedies including tamarind, and grinded seeds of tamarind, which is also used to detox fluoride in the environment, especially the tamarind seed powder, or possibly tamarind seed extract. Unfortunately tamarind is a food and is not a required mineral as in boron, so it's considered a fruit, but can also be used to remove fluoride. Tamarind is a common candy in Thailand and is easily available here and is used in preparing various food delicacy here in Thailand also. It's not possible to prove the chelation of fluoride per se, but researchers assume they do, and from a practical point of view, as a consumer, it reduces fluoride toxicity and subacute doses, and that I find it just fine for most applications."
02/02/2010: Robert from Martinez, Ca, Usa replies: "Question to Ted re borax dosage which stated: 2gms/kg.
For example, a 180# person would take approx. 6ozs of borax per liter of water per day for how long? Is there a maint dose? Also tamarind is avail at most asian markets as a paste which is sour or I prefer the raw whole tamarind in their pods which is sweet. Thank you Ted"
[WARNING!] 02/02/2010: Kathleen from San Antonio, Texas replies: "2 gms/kg is the TOXIC level, NOT the therapeutic level. If you check out the borax page, Ted recommends 1/8 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon of borax in one liter of water/day."
08/16/2011: John1230 from Delhi, India replies: "Correct me if I am wrong:
1/8 tablespoon of borax in one litre. -- Is it consuming only 1 litre with borax or I can continue to drink this solution throughout the day.
12/13/2011: Manga from Hyderabad, Ap/india replies: "Hi John,
Any luck of getting borax in India?? Pls let me know if you had success."
02/20/2013: Matt from London, Uk replies: "you can safely have up to 14mg a day and it is cheapest bought generally from USA supplement stores from what I can see... Of course 14mg covers small adults, so really around 20mg is fair if you are large... up the dose if you need to... it's all good."
05/02/2013: Lia from Gordon's Bay, Western Cape, South Africa: "Hi there. My Homeopath Doctor gave my 1 month old baby girl homeopathic Borax granules to help her digestive track system as it is underdeveloped. She suffers from a very bad case of reflux and when on medicine for it she struggles to pass stool. So our Homeopath put her on Borax. I have noticed once again her stool is very hard for her age and she does not go as often as ussual. She struggles to pass stool which auses great uncomfort and sometimes cying. Is this because of the Borax? What is Borax actually for? Regards from a very concerned mother - Lia"Replies
05/03/2013: Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa replies: "Hi Lea, Are you breast feeding, because if you are your baby will not experience any problems & you will not have any drs visits. At 1 month you should still be breastfeeding, your baby is going to make the drs very rich & you are probably giving him Isomil which is made from gm soja, look up on the neg effects of soja on the net."
03/08/2013: Saudis from Gwent: "Borax for children: I am following Bill's (I am very grateful to him) protocol to help heal my son's leaky gut. We are on week three and although early days there have been some improvements. I have bought borax and started it myself and felt no adverse effects, if anything more energy and clarity of mind. I will be slowly introducing it to my son but wondered if anyone had experiences to share. I know there are boron tablets but I think with his gut and allergies he will probably react to the fillers etc. I really am interested in anyone who has used borax powder as recommended on this site. Thank you"
03/17/2014: Seth from West Virginia: "Good day, I have a question regarding borax intake. I was thinking about putting my borax in a gelatin capsule to make intake easier. I normally mix my borax with water. If I were to change over to capsule intake would I still get all the benefits, or is a water mixture better?"