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Posted by Lee (Adelaide, Australia) on 06/08/2011

Hi Ted, I'm considering the Borax regime for Mycoplasma and / or Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS). When checking a suitable dosage I stumbled upon this link - Effect of borax on immune cell proliferation:

AS is considered an auto immune disorder and I'd really like to hear your comments.

I've learned so much from Earth Clinic. Thanks. :)

Replied by Georgie
Rapid City, Sd, Usa
I would be interested to know Ted's response to this question as I too, suffer from AS. Thanks!
Replied by Ted Donate

Bangkok, Thailand
388 Posts
As to dosages, please check previous postings on borax toxicity I been through that so many times. If you are still not convinced, then don't do it. As to the link you submitted, borax according to them is toxic at 0.6 mg/ml -- that is equivalent in drinking terms 600 grams per liter. That is hardly the dose I am considering. The dosage I use is 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon (women requires low dose 1/8 then men 1/4 because of their size) per liter of water. That means it is added in all liters you drink and you determine if that remedy is helping you, and it doesn't require a long time, you should know within 3 to 7 days at the most. It is an essential mineral and the dose is much less than LD50. I calculate my dose assuming you weigh only one kilogram and need just 1/2 of that is my calculations for maximum dose and it is lower still if the person has any side effects on that amount. Therefore, the dose of 1/8 for women's dose is based on that.

As to details of ankylosing spondylitis, I don't have many patients here, probably I seen one or two. What I can conclude with certainty is it helps. The autoimmune disease for all mycoplasma and mycobacterium is really simple, the mycobacterium enters healthy cells and infects the inner cells, that's why is is so difficult to kill it and that is why they referred to as attacking healthy cells, but they are not healthy. Suppressing immune system would hardly be the way to go.

However there are a couple of avenues I found where we can kill them from the inside. Remember that nearly all antibiotics are useless with attacking the inside the cells they do not enter the insides of cells. There is one or two antibiotics that does get inside the cells - one is doxycycline the second one is minocycline. For the desperate I guess they will even try the second one. The doxycycline use is a lot better, which is one capsule and twice a day for the first time, and thereby once a day it takes about a week to know some effect but the people here it takes them only a day. Minocycline is a generally not recommended because of side effects, but those who do not respond will try it anyway. It causes nausea.

As to the borax, you can mix with hydrogen peroxide 3% one capful per 1 liter of water and 1/8 teaspoon. It hardly has any side effects, unless you have other issues, such as metal poisoning, in that case we treat metal poisoning first such as mercury poisoning amalgam or lead poisoning, in which case I prefer to use disodium EDTA or my favorite tetra Sodium EDTA, as it is less acidic. Without the metal poisoning it will be a bit easier by skipping this step and add take borax with hydrogen peroxide. In order to allow the body some breathing room between oxidation and anti-oxidation, you can try hydrogen peroxide for 5 days and no hydrogen peroxide for 2 days, and borax for all days.

The other way I have developed of killing the infection from the inside the cells is DMSO and Lugol's with aloe vera oil applied from the outside. That works too. There is also another method I have tried which is Castor oil with DMSO, that works too. And then if he doesn't respond to that one, this respond positively no matter what is the DMSO with tannic acid, where tannic acid is given at 1/8 teaspoon per 100 cc of DMSO and mixed with 30% to 50% water. As to the castor oil and DMSO is mixed with 50% each. As to the Lugol's and DMSO it's just applying Lugol's the area and then apply DMSO, then to relieve the inflammation I apply the aloe vera oil.

That's just the initial success then to help you way to recovery I probably require aloe vera oil drops between 5 to 10 drops, magnesium chloride solution 8 drops three times a day, and some 5000 i.u. of vitamin D2 or vitamin D3.

There is one thing you have to be aware of, normal antibiotics takes 9 months that's just for doxycycline. so I expected any natural remedies would take that long too, because mycobacterium that lines the inside the cells takes time, but if you do things right it may require less time.

In Bangkok things are a little strange. I chase clients because I think I have a cure, but people from Earthclinic at least, they are chasing me! There's probably an explanation in order as to why this occurs. It seems as if people here have the cure or at least something that will help them for their condition and therefore I am just drowned by other competitors! Since competition usually wins out (hospitals and other alternative healers) I spend my day typing out remedies if I have a free time.


P.S. The website mentioned in your post is administering a toxic dose even at 0.1 mg per milliliter works out to 100 mg per 100 milliliter works out to 1000 grams per 1000 milliliter. My dose is 1/8 teas per 1000 milliter or 1 liter.

Replied by Lee
Adelaide, South Australia
Thanks Ted for your detailed response. I dont like the thought of antibiotic treatment as I know how important the bacteria in my gut is to my entire system and would prefer to go 'naturally'. So, after much research on EC, I am going to attempt the following regime to try to kill mycoplasma and alleviate my Ankylosing Spondylitis. Colloidial Silver, EDTA, Borax & Hydrogen Perioxide, followed by Calcium Bentonite then MSM (cannot purchase DSMO) with Lugols transdermally. Aloe, D3, etc to assist healing. Will let you know the outcome. Thanks again. Lee
Replied by Lee
Adelaide, South Australia
Hi again Ted. I've done more research on sourcing DSMO as I'm concerned that using MSM instead of DSMO will make a difference in the regime??? However, I found this patent also dealing with sulfoxides FYI. Kind regards.

Replied by Simon
London Uk
Can I just double check with anyone that can answer-I have recently discovered this site and have read about Borax and so ordered some from ebay. Labelled BORAX (Sodium Tetraborate) -Decahydrate.

This is definitely ok to ingest... At the recommended dosage of 1/8th of a teaspoon per litre of water?

Sounds great-just wanna check there are no dangers. Thanks!

Replied by Becky From Ohio
Northeastern, Ohio, Usa
Hi Simon, Yes, however weird it may seen to ingest something people use as a laundry detergent, it is safe. I have been using 1/8 tsp for quite a while now. I will usually go for a few weeks, then take a few days off. It has pretty much cured my knee pain. I highly recommend it.
Replied by Colleen
Whitewater, Wi
Ted wrote: "06/23/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "As to dosages, please check previous postings on borax toxicity I been through that so many times. If you are still not convinced, then don't do it. As to the link you submitted, borax according to them is toxic at 0. 6 mg/ml -- that is equivalent in drinking terms 600 grams per liter"

Your conversion is way off...0.6mg/ml is equivalent in drinking terms to 600mg(not grams)/liter. An amount much smaller than you converted it to.

In addition, Ted further mentions: "

P.S. The website mentioned in your post is administering a toxic dose even at 0. 1 mg per milliliter works out to 100 mg per 100 milliliter works out to 1000 grams per 1000 milliliter. My dose is 1/8 teas per 1000 milliter or 1 liter."

???Wha?...Again, 0.1mg/ml works out to 100mg (not grams) per 1000ml. How much does 1/8 teas. Weigh?

If you're going to be giving dosages and toxicity information you should really get your conversions correct! Your two errors are off by a factor of 1000!

According to THE PDR[Physicians Desk Reference] for Nutritional Supplements, "consuming greater than 180 mg elemental boron daily showed symptoms of poor appetite and digestive problems. Symptoms of acute toxicity typically include nausea, diarrhea and abdominal cramps. The symptoms of chronic toxicity include nausea, poor appetite and weight loss.... Optimal intake may be 2 to 3 mg[no Dietary reference intake has yet been established for boron]"

How much elemental boron does your suggested dosage contain? Borax is approximately 11% boron, which means that even a small dose of 100mg of borax is supplying 11mg of boron, which is about 5 times the optimal suggested intake according to the PDR. Too much boron daily will accumulate over time.

How about the way borax reacts when it hits stomach acid (HCl)? Were you aware that the reaction creates boric acid?

Na2B4O7 10H2O 2 HCl %u2192 4 B(OH)3 [or H3BO3] 2 NaCl 5 H2O

Could explain the symptoms of acute toxicity.

If borax is so "safe", why has it been banned in the US as a food additive. Indonesia has connected the use of borax in the food industry to liver cancer with prolonged usage/digestion (5-10 years).

Promoting this "remedy" for metal detoxing is foolish and irresponsible, especially when there are so many safer and more effective alternatives. How about Cilantro/Parsley Pesto for metal detox, or Golden Seal for fluoride detox? These food based remedies are much less speculative and risky for your visitors.

Not saying boron is unimportant for bone health, just that borax should be saved for external and household uses, especially since there's no way to monitor one's accumulation of boron/borax/boric acid except by paying attention to symptoms.... which could easily be mistaken for the flu, rather than chronic boron toxicity from long term use.

Replied by Miriam
Nyc, Ny / Usa
A quick Google check reveals that a teaspoon is equivalent to 5 ml. At 1/4 tsp a day for men, that means an ingestion of only 1. 25 ml per day. For women the recommended usage is half that amount.

This is in the order of 1% of the theoretical toxic dose - hardly threatening.

Colleen, if you are fact checking, then you should check all relevant facts.

Replied by Tauqir
Bradford, England
I have spent so much time trying to make sense of the precise dosages for Borax. It is very clearly reccommended that it is 1/8 teaspoon for women and 1/4 teaspoon for men (in a litre of water sipped throughout the day). Can someone give a precise weight in milligrams for 1/4 teaspoon and 1/8 teaspoon as the information on this site suggests 250mg to 1000mg for 1/4 teaspoon. Perhaps we have varying teaspoons but I also suspect that some people are deliberately providing contradictory/confusing information as they represent big pharma interests. Please clear this issue up please. In the interest of safety and accuracy we should not use rough measurements such as spoons, cups, a glass etc.
Replied by Skyraider
Chattanooga, Tn
I personally would stay away from borax, there are many other good options here to clear up your aliments.
Replied by Tauqir
Bradford, West Yorkshire, England
I have known people who have treated themselves succesfully with Borax. That is the reason I wanted to try it. The problem is that they all took different dosages. I simply wanted to follow an established protocol. What is 1/4 teaspoon in milligrams? The difference on this site has varied enormously. Experienced users! Please Help. Thanks.
Replied by Aussiesteve
Port Macquarie, Australia
I think it is worth highlighting that the dosages mentioned by that study I. E. 0.1mg/ml - 0.6mg/ml refers to concentrations of borax in BLOOD not WATER. Given that borax is very poorly absorbed and we have approx 4200ml of blood in our bodies, it would need huge quantities of borax ingested to approach anywhere near the concentrations suggested by that experiment.
Replied by Linda
San Francisco, Ca, USA
For Taquir, I measured 1/8 teaspoon and 1/4 teaspoon amounts of 20 Mule Team Borax from the local grocery on a Precision Professional Digital Mini Scale ____ (This scale cost me about $30. retail in Florida, USA).

Since lumps in the Borax are compacted and Borax is a comparatively heavy substance, I mashed the lumps in the Borax powder loose before measuring (Clearly from the following measurements I must have missed a few tinies though). Since this Borax has about the same toxicity as table salt, I am sure the minute difference is negligible in effect.

My procedure was: Wack the lumps, fill the scoop, level off the scoop, then pour contents of the scoop into tare container and measure weight. The tare container was cleared of debris before each measurement.

Here are my measurement results:

1/4 teaspoon 20 Mule Team weighs .73 grams, or 730 milligrams

1/8 teaspoon 20 Mule Team weighs.34 grams, or 340 milligrams

So Bangkok Ted recommends 1/4 teaspoon Borax per litre of water for men, and 1/8 teaspoon Borax per litre of water for women.

Namaste, Linda

Replied by Rouven
New York, Ny
Am I the only one questioning all these remedies coming from one person only? It's great Ted gives his opinion and maybe tried successfully the borax way. I just wonder why there is no other professional opinion (not from pharma paid doctors but alternative health practioners).

I agree many suggestion are great but others I am not sure and it does raise question why everyone would just trust one person and go buy borax in laundry section. At least I've seen a couple of confused peopel on here.

Replied by Linda
Sf, Ca
To Rouven from NY:

You see a lot of posting on here to Ted because his recommendations have helped many here.

Linda :-)

Replied by James
Lakefield, Qc, Canada
Dr. Rex Newnham who first investigated the relation between Boron and Arthritus was using 60 mg Borax per day in his studies.

The Royal australian Hospital in Melbourne was also using 60 mg Borax per day in their 1980's studies which showed a 70% success rate for a group of people aged 55-74. From Wikipedia:
..."Elemental boron, boron oxide, boric acid, borates, and many organoboron compounds are non-toxic to humans and animals (approximately similar to table salt). The LD50 (dose at which there is 50% mortality) for animals is about 6 g per kg of body weight. Substances with LD50 above 2 g are considered non-toxic. The minimum lethal dose for humans has not been established. An intake of 4 g/day of boric acid was reported without incidents, but more than this is considered toxic for more than a few doses. Intakes of more than 0. 5 grams per day for 50 days cause minor digestive and other problems suggestive of toxicity. [120]Nielsen, Forrest H. (1997). Plant and Soil 193"

So I would suggest that it is not neccessary to use ten times what the above researchers were using. Instead, results should be seen using only 1/16 teaspoon and it will be considerably safer.

Replied by Bajanine
Grand Junction, Colorado
If you are unsure how much boron you are receiving from borax (sodium tetraborate, sodium borate, sodium tetraborate or even disodium tetraborate).

Here is how you figure it out:

Borax is: Na2B4O7.10H20

The atomic weights are:

Na = 22.98976928, B = 10.81, O = 15.999, H = 1.008


(22,9897*2)+(10.81*4)+(15.999*1*10)+(1.008*2*10)=381.3625 approx.

Total Boron is 10.81*4=43.24

Boron factor is 43.24/381.3625 = .11338

Boron factor is .11338 so the boron percentage is 11.338%. So regardless of how much volume of borax you use you need to weigh it and multiply the total weight of borax by .11338, this give you how much boron you are receiving.

This brings back memories of high school chemistry. ;)

Replied by Sharon S.
3 Posts
I'm with Rouven...I'm trying the 1/8th in a quart....but I want to know why aren't any current medics/biochemists looking into this? They can't all be scared off by the big pharmaceutical companies. It would be good to read a report by a current scientist. It doesn't make sense. If anyone knows of anyone please let me know. If something does cure it should be in the public domain rather than hidden here in a dark cupboard. Everyone should be allowed to benefit...
Replied by Mark
Exeter, United Kingdom
16 Posts
Hi Sharon,

Big pharma make billions in profit from keeping us all ill so they can supply us with their chemical medications and vaccinations. They are so powerful that any threat to profit margins due to people or products trying to offer cures will be bumped off and removed.

Healthy humans means no neeed for big pharmas meds leading to no massive profits. The queen is the head of the pharma corps so that gives an idea who we are up against.

Its only in recent years that the EU classified borax as toxic, but they left out that toxicity only applied to unborn babies! & so is bleach toxic deadly to unborns aswel as humans and animals full stop!!

A man in 1960's tried to find bigger outlets to help him supply borax as a arthritic cure when the demand for his discovery supplying masses of local people with the borax dosages in med form became bigger than he could handle, so unwittingly approaced people he thought would help ease his medicine demands by mass production and manufacturing. These people were the wrong help as they had vested interest in profits selling synthetic meds to a never ending supply of patients they kept ill, so they shut him up and took away his discovery.

Here is the story...

The Arthritis Cure of Rex Newnham

In the 1960's Rex Newnham, Ph.D., D.O., N.D, developed arthritis. At that time he was a soil and plant scientist in Perth, Western Australia. Conventional drugs did not help, so he looked for the cause into the chemistry of plants. He realized that plants in that area were rather mineral deficient. Knowing that boron aids calcium metabolism in plants he decided to try it. He started taking 30 mg of borax a day, and in three weeks all pain, swelling and stiffness had disappeared.

He told public health and medical school authorities about his discovery but they were not interested. However, some people with arthritis were delighted as they improved. Others were scared to take something with a poison label on the container and meant to kill cockroaches and ants. Eventually he had tablets made with a safe and effective quantity of borax.

Within five years and only by word of mouth he sold 10,000 bottles a month. He could no longer cope and asked a drug company to market it. That was a major mistake. They indicated that this would replace more expensive drugs and reduce their profits. It so happened that they had representatives on government health committees and arranged that in 1981 Australia instituted a regulation that declared boron and its compounds to be poisons in any concentration. He was fined $1000 for selling a poison, and this successfully stopped his arthritis cure from spreading in Australia.

(2)Subsequently he published several scientific papers on borax and arthritis. One was a double-blind trial in the mid 1980's at the Royal Melbourne Hospital which showed that 70% of those who completed the trial were greatly improved. Only 12% improved when on placebo. There were no negative side-effects, but some reported that their heart ailment had also improved, and there was better general health and less tiredness.

(3) Most of his later research was devoted to the relationship between soil boron levels and arthritis. He found, for instance that the traditional sugarcane islands, due to long-term heavy use of fertilizers, have very low soil-boron levels. Jamaica has the lowest level and arthritis rates are about 70%. He noted that even most dogs were limping. Next comes Mauritius with very low boron levels and 50% arthritis. The daily boron intake in these countries is less than 1 mg/day. An interesting comparison is between Indian and native Fijians. The Indians are estimated to have an arthritis rate of about 40% and eat much rice grown with fertilizer while the native Fijians with an estimated arthritis rate of 10% eat mainly starchy root vegetables grown privately without fertilizer.

Cont........from below linked website................

Taken from this very informative website:

The Borax Conspiracy

How the Arthritis Cure has been Stopped

Hope you find useful


Replied by Dave Donate

Fountain Inn, Sc
Hello Sharon,

You ask for some scientific report or study by scientists on Boron. A VERY scientific BOOK on the subject can be downloaded via "Google Scholar".... key words; Boron Science.

That is the book title. Be prepared for an immersion in chemistry.

If that doesn't impress you...nothing will.

Replied by David
If I want to make a large batch 5 gallon water bottle, how much borax per litre to be safe?

Posted by Mari (Yonkers, Ny, Usa) on 08/23/2010

My 8yr old daughter has early signs of puberty. Enlarged breasts, genital hair, underarm hair and slight underarm odor. My 3 yr old has grown 2 inches in 6months and has enlarged breast. I will get bone scan results during the week. In the meantime I read about Borax usage. I want to try for my entire family. What recommended dosage for kids and when to give. What other advice can you give? Please help.

Replied by T
Maryland, Usa
I would stop all dairy immediately unless you were getting it from a known organic and hormone-free source. Avoid plastics in contact with food -- this includes canned goods with BPA linings, bottled water, and microwaving in plastic. BPA and bovine growth hormones are strongly suspected in abnormally early puberty. As far as borax, I would not be giving it to a child. Some here will disagree. Remember that kidney damage is irreversible. Consider carefully what you choose to do.
Replied by Brobertson
Tomball, Tx, United Stated
I would also suggest that you avoid anything with soy. Soy is known to have estrogen-like chemicals. You search on the internet for soy and estrogen - lots of stuff out there.
Replied by W
B, Arkansas
I think I read that boric acid is what can cause kidney damage, not Borax, they are different.

Also, check all toiletries (shampoo, conditioner, lotion, body wash, etc) for -parabens (ethylparaben, anything that ends with paraben). They are cheap preservatives that act as estrogens. Find the items you need that DON'T have parabens, it can be difficult but they are out there.

Posted by Tenderfoot (Las Cruces, Nm, Usa) on 07/25/2010

Deirdre - I've been using the 1 liter water and 1/8 tsp borax remedy for candida and it's helping, but not a lot. As I am a very tall female and not a light weight I surmised that my dosage should be the same as a man's, 1/4 tsp borax, since I am large. Could you please get Ted to specify the correct dosages by weight instead of gender and post it? Also, how long should we stay on this regimen? Thanks.

EC: Hi Tenderfoot,

Great questions, thanks. Sent to Ted for response.

Replied by Susannah
Bangor, Pa
Also bathing in borax

Posted by Nicholas (Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire) on 01/30/2010

Hi I have nothing against borax but just so you know what levels are harmful or have adverse effects I wanted to post this abstract from a study in the area. I would be keen to hear feedback, I unfortunatly can't access the study myself without paying to see it. So the limited information I have attained from this study is that you are safe to use borax as long as you can keep the levels at 175 ppm as (boron equivalent).

What sort of dose that is I do not know and would not like to go over it.

Now I have heard it is a great chemical for chelation of metals. Does it also chelate fluorides? This is really my main interest as fluorides are recommended to be kept below a certain level and evidence suggests I would be surpassing this. Not that I would no how to test this to be true.

One last comment the zeolite clinoptilite sounds brilliant for taking the heavy metals, I have done little research into it, all thoughts and responses welcome. Thank you

Here's the abstract:


In Sprague-Dawley rats the acute po LD50 values for borax were 4.5 g/kg and 4.98 g/kg in males and females. respectively; boric acid, 3.45 g/kg in males and 4.08 g/kg in females. In Long-Evans male rats the LD50 values for borax and boric acid were 6.08 g/kg and 3.16 g/kg, respectively. In 90 day feeding studies, rats tolerated both borax and boric acid at 525 ppm boron equivalent. Dogs displayed no adverse effect at 175 ppm of borax (as boron equivalent) and 525 ppm of boric acid (as boron equivalent). In rats, high boron levels at 1750 and 5250 ppm of both compounds caused growth suppression, decreased food utilization efficiency, degeneration of gonads and skin desquamation on the paws and tails. At the 1750 ppm level, both boron compounds produced testicular atrophy in all male dogs. Two year dietary feeding studies indicated that both borax and boric acid could be tolerated by rats and dogs at 350 ppm boron equivalent. Rats fed dietary boron compounds at 1170 ppm levels showed toxic signs which were found to be similar to those observed in subchronic studies. Testicular degeneration was also observed in rats and dogs fed 1170 ppm levels. Reproduction studies revealed that rats fed both borax and boric acid at 1170 ppm boron equivalent were sterile. Both compounds at 350 ppm boron equivalent had no adverse effect on fertility, lactation, litter size, weight and appearance.

EC: The above-referenced abstract is from ScienceDirect here.

Here is ppm conversion chart:

Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, Philippines
1193 Posts
If you compare the borax LD50 (median lethal dose) values to that of ordinary table salt, you will get some clarity as to the comparable toxicity of Borax. Here is the LD50 values for the oral toxicity of table salt in a rat study:

LD50 is 3000 mg/kg in rats.

Link to MSDS sheet for salt:

So when compared to the LD50 figures for borax (from the last post) this means that borax appears to be of a similar toxicity to rats as ordinary table salt. Anything above LD50 2000 mg/kgm is generally regarded as Low Toxicity.

Replied by Ted Donate

Bangkok, Thailand
388 Posts
Borax was used to remove fluoride poisoning in a Rabbit study given toxic doses of fluoride. Boron is also a required mineral. The doses of boric acid (which is more toxic then borax) in the study quoted is estimated at doses of roughly 4.5 g to 4.90 grams/kg, would be equivalent of taking boric acid (which equivalent) in a typical 70 kg adult of 4.5x70 grams to 4.98 x 70 grams. The idea of fluoride removal using borax was based on a toxicity research on giving fluoride at toxic dose, rabbits fed on borax were protected from the fluoride poisoning. If there is difficulty in using fluoride or obtaining them, it's possible to eat tamarind which is also an good chelation agent of fluoride too, however, borax has a unique property in being less toxic then boric acid, and it's alkaline, but it's also a required mineral and normalizes hormone level. Different studies used higher LD50 on borax toxicity, but I used a much lower figures about 2 grams/kg, where the toxicity is equivalent to salt, which has a value roughly 2 grams/kg weight also. A chelation agent of mineral I can use humic acid, zeolite, or a mixture of humic acid and zeolite together also. However, humic acid interestingly enough lowers excitotoxicity (aspartate and glutamate) that's found high in ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) and aspartame poisoning, found in many sugar free products, one interesting side effect is the desire to pee every 30 minutes or so throughout the day. It takes about 1-4 weeks to remove this extreme urinary urgency. Fluoride on the other hand has a suppressive effect, but both together cause (with aspartame) caused extreme sleeplessness and apathy at even low doses, found in fluoridation and fluoridated toothpaste. As to whether borax removes or chelate fluoride, the idea of chelation requires more chemical analysis at a molecular level, and i can't find a research study on that one. However, there is increase in fluoride excretion when borax for example, implying the removal of fluoride, and possibly chelation of fluoride. In which case the level of toxic reaction to fluoride is removed whenever fluoride is taken at toxic doses, and using the borax, for example, as the antidote. The idea of using borax is based on subacute doses of luoride poisoning, which is a common one given the excessive fluoride consumption, is based on this study:

Fluoride 1981; 14(1):21-29

Boron as antidote to fluoride: effect on bones and claws in subacute intoxication of rabbits

Elsair J, Merad R, Denine R, Azzouz M, Khelfat K, Hamrour M, Alamir B, Benali S, Reggabi M

Laboratories of Physiology, Toxicology and Galenic Pharmacy, Medical Institute, Algiers, Algeria

Summary: Rabbits were "subacutely" intoxicated by administration of 30 mg/kg/day of fluoride for 3 months followed by 15 mg/kg/day for a subsequent 3 months (F). Boron was given alone (B) as preventive and simultaneously with fluoride prophylactically (F + Bp), as well as therapeutically namely midway during the experimental period (F + Bpc) while fluoride was being administered and after it was discontinued (Bc compared with fluoirde interuption F*), at a constant F/B ratio. All groups were compared to normal controls.

Boron administered during fluoride intoxication or after its interruption, reduces fluoremia and increases urinary fluoride excretion. Skeletal fluoride levels are directly relatd to those of claws. They bear no relationship to fluoride in hair. The high fluoride content in bone in lot F decreases with addition of boron. It is still high in lot F* but returns to normal in loc Bc. Calcium content of bones remains normal in all lots. Posterior pad radiography shows a cortical thickness in lot F which is less pronounced in lots F + Bpc and F*, and returns to normal in lot Bc.

If a person were to take very high amounts of fluoride, then you need a combination of other remedies including tamarind, and grinded seeds of tamarind, which is also used to detox fluoride in the environment, especially the tamarind seed powder, or possibly tamarind seed extract. Unfortunately tamarind is a food and is not a required mineral as in boron, so it's considered a fruit, but can also be used to remove fluoride. Tamarind is a common candy in Thailand and is easily available here and is used in preparing various food delicacy here in Thailand also. It's not possible to prove the chelation of fluoride per se, but researchers assume they do, and from a practical point of view, as a consumer, it reduces fluoride toxicity and subacute doses, and that I find it just fine for most applications.

Replied by Robert
Martinez, Ca, Usa
Question to Ted re borax dosage which stated: 2gms/kg.

For example, a 180# person would take approx. 6ozs of borax per liter of water per day for how long? Is there a maint dose? Also tamarind is avail at most asian markets as a paste which is sour or I prefer the raw whole tamarind in their pods which is sweet. Thank you Ted

Replied by Kathleen
San Antonio, Texas
[WARNING!]   2 gms/kg is the TOXIC level, NOT the therapeutic level. If you check out the borax page, Ted recommends 1/8 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon of borax in one liter of water/day.
Replied by John1230
Delhi, India
Correct me if I am wrong:

1/8 tablespoon of borax in one litre. -- Is it consuming only 1 litre with borax or I can continue to drink this solution throughout the day.


Replied by Manga
Hyderabad, Ap/india
Hi John,

Any luck of getting borax in India?? Pls let me know if you had success.

Replied by Matt
London, Uk
you can safely have up to 14mg a day and it is cheapest bought generally from USA supplement stores from what I can see... Of course 14mg covers small adults, so really around 20mg is fair if you are large... up the dose if you need to... it's all good.
Replied by Karen
Rochester, Ny
Hi there,

I don't have the money to buy expensive fluoride filters or repeatedly buy gallons of distilled water from the store, but I'd still like to fluoride detox. I read on a different site that it is not recommended to put borax in plain tap water because it will just bind in the water and your body won't get the benefits. But if it binds in the water wouldn't that then make the water essentially fluoride free? Or does that only work in theory? If it DOES make water fluoride free couldn't I then use this new water to make the concentrate, or will the borax just continue to bind to the borax-fluoride particles?

If I do use tap water and it does bind to the fluoride before I drink it will I still get other health benefits but just not the detox effect?

Thank you for your time!


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Posted by Lia (Gordon's Bay, Western Cape, South Africa) on 05/02/2013

Hi there. My Homeopath Doctor gave my 1 month old baby girl homeopathic Borax granules to help her digestive track system as it is underdeveloped. She suffers from a very bad case of reflux and when on medicine for it she struggles to pass stool. So our Homeopath put her on Borax. I have noticed once again her stool is very hard for her age and she does not go as often as ussual. She struggles to pass stool which auses great uncomfort and sometimes cying. Is this because of the Borax? What is Borax actually for? Regards from a very concerned mother - Lia

Replied by Louwrence
Rustenburg, North West, South Africa
Hi Lea, Are you breast feeding, because if you are your baby will not experience any problems & you will not have any drs visits. At 1 month you should still be breastfeeding, your baby is going to make the drs very rich & you are probably giving him Isomil which is made from gm soja, look up on the neg effects of soja on the net.

Borax for Children
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Posted by Saudis (Gwent) on 03/08/2013

Borax for children: I am following Bill's (I am very grateful to him) protocol to help heal my son's leaky gut. We are on week three and although early days there have been some improvements. I have bought borax and started it myself and felt no adverse effects, if anything more energy and clarity of mind. I will be slowly introducing it to my son but wondered if anyone had experiences to share. I know there are boron tablets but I think with his gut and allergies he will probably react to the fillers etc. I really am interested in anyone who has used borax powder as recommended on this site. Thank you

Borax Instructions
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Posted by Seth (West Virginia) on 03/17/2014

Good day, I have a question regarding borax intake. I was thinking about putting my borax in a gelatin capsule to make intake easier. I normally mix my borax with water. If I were to change over to capsule intake would I still get all the benefits, or is a water mixture better?

Replied by Jens
[YEA]   I have been taking gelcaps of 20 mule team borax which is about 11% boron mixed 50% with magnesium citrate. The caps full are about 0.5 gram, or 0.25 g borax or about 0.0275 g which would be about 27.5 mg. I feel that when taken it helps with sleeping better waking up less stiff and less sore. If I don't take them a few days later I am reminded first thing in the AM.
Replied by Audra
Oregon, Us
I was also wanting to try this. Does anyone know if capsules will dissolve in the proper area or time for the Borax to be effective or is it much better to have it diluted and taken throughout the day for some reason?

Thanks to Ted and everyone for all the great info!

Posted by Alakhi (Mt) on 11/16/2013

I have a question regarding Borax. I do not like the taste. I was wondering if it would be effective to take borax in a capsule as an alternative? I grew up in a moldy envirnment and have had problems with pcos, acne, hirstism, energy, food allergies, candida, etc.

Replied by Prioris
You can put borax in a capsule or just keep diluting it in more water until it is palatable.

Posted by Sherry (Toronto, Ontario, Canada) on 09/19/2013

Hello: I would like to start with borax therapy. I purchased Borax from No Frills Store here in Toronto.

I have glaucoma, floaters in the left eye which has recently become blurrier and there is some vision loss, h pylori, GERD, sliding hiatal hernia, insomnia, etc. I am also petite, older woman weighing less than 100 lbs in weight.

I work and carry my brita filtered chlorinated free (keep water in open container for 12 hours) in Nalgene (made in USA) plastic container. I use this water to take Lugol with ACV, vitamins C, glycine, other vitamins, minerals and Diamateous Earth.

I intend to start the Borax regimen as per instructions on this site but will use less than 1/8 tsp because of my body weight and have the following questions:

  • Can I use my Nalgene container to carry the 1 litre borax water?
  • Can I use this water as any ordinary water, e.g., to take my lugol, vitamins, minerals, Diamateous Earth, Clay, etc.?
  • Can I boil this water and add turmeric, black pepper, salt, lime, etc. ? Will the borax in water react?

I do not know how the Earth Clinic works, how can I find my post and any responses?

Thank you very much for any suggestions. Sherry

Replied by Mike
Denver, Colorado
Sherry: Most of the time you can mix various substances together because they are natural. Every day I mix 12 substances, including borax, together in some water and sip on that every hour. To be absolutely sure you can take borax alone.
Replied by Doddie
Georgia, Usa
I would like to know why it is suggested to use distilled water to make borax drinking water because if used with other waters it turns to something else. So my question is.....if purified or tap water is used to make the tea or coffee is it counter productive to add a pinch of borax ? If coffee is made with tap or purified water can a pinch of borax be put in the water before pouring it in the coffee pot?
Replied by Jdb
South Carolina
The reason you would not want to use borax with purified/tap water is because Borax is responding as a chelate-meaning it is bonding with metals/minerals that are free. These waters contain them therefore the only thing you would be purifying/detoxing is your tea. It will have very little detoxing effects in the body because it has already bonded with various pollutants in the water. Distilled water is best because ions have been removed therefore allowing borax to exist in its natural composition and unbonded to any trace minerals or metals. This then will allow the borax to attract any toxic metals/minerals (& everything else it can) and escort it out of the body in waste once ingested.

Long story short, borax bonds with the pollutants in tap/purified water and you then no longer have borax but now some other compound. It is useless for detoxing. Pollutants removed in distilled water which allows for the introduction of pure borax into the body where it will be able to bind with toxic metals and such.

Hope this helps!!!

Replied by Prioris
Fl, Usa
I used water from a berkey filter + fluoride filter and I did fine. Ted says it is important to take magnesium just to be on safe side because borax needs magnesium to work and it chelates some magnesium out of the body. This could be another reason why it could fail. Distilled water is ideal if you have it available since one minimizes interaction with the substance.

Posted by Daniel (Christchurch, Canterbury) on 10/12/2010

Can borax be safely mixed with h202 ?

Posted by Val (Wichita, Ks) on 02/08/2010

Do you need to use a special water for the borax remedy? distilled? spring? filtered? bottled? or can you use tap water? i am trying to detox from fluoride but i find it a very big inconvenience to have to buy water, also we are on a strict budget and i am unsure if we can afford it as the family drinks alot of water ...

i understand tap water contains fluoride and that kind of defeats the purpose of using borax but that is why i am asking what kind of water i need to use then . thank you so much

Borax Origin
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Posted by Filip (London, United Kingdom) on 03/07/2015

Dear Earth Clinic, What are the differences between the borax that is mined in the US and in Turkey? In the UK, we can only purchase Borax from Turkey, is this safe to ingest?

Replied by Aussieroz
I've been using the Borax from Turkey for over a year and I have not experienced any negative side effects.

Borax Pentahydrate Vs Borax Decahydrate
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Posted by Daniel (Christchurch, Canterbury) on 09/30/2010

Could anybody tell me if borax pentahydrate and borax decahydrate, both being only 5 molecules apart, are both safe to ingest using Ted's recipe?

Replied by Marianne
Hello daniel, I am also in NZ, want to know if you found out more info on pentahydrate borax as that is what I've bought from the binn inn. I want to use it for helping me cure my arthritis as well as fungal nails. Looking forward to your reply, many thanks
Replied by Eddy
Perth, Western Australia
The chemical difference is that the Borax Pentahydrate molecule has 5 water molecules attached, and the Borax Decahydrate molecule has 10 water molecules attached.

The practical difference is that the Borax Pentahydrate is around 15% Boron, whereas the Borax Decahydrate molecule is 'bigger' because of the extra water molecules and as a result the ratio of Boron content is less, at about 10% of the total weight.

They are identical substances except for the molecular water content and the resulting different proportions of the element Boron. Since the Pentahydrate is 'stronger' at 15% Boron, you should reduce the doses by around 1/3rd to get to the equivalent Decahydrate doses. That's all.

Borax Safety
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Posted by Mark (Exeter, United Kingdom) on 08/22/2015 | 16 Posts

Below is my email to intralabs and their reply stating the safety of borax, the only toxic effects apply to unborn babies whose mother ingests. The 'powers that be' have left that bit out to make us think toxicity applies to all of us, hence shops removing borax and replacing with borax substitute (which really is toxic!! ). Email intralabs yourselves for reassurance. They are very cheap too. Label warnings of dangers and toxicity are put on Borax by law.


From: mark speed Sent: 24 October 2014 06:26 To: Subject: Borax or Borax?

Hi, Im confused about 'Borax' mainly as my nan used to drink small amounts to rid herself from arthritus, also using it as shampoo then rinsing afterwards with citric acid, she fed her plants with it as every living organisms cells require borax! So I dont understand why yr Material Safety Data Sheet says it is toxic ingested and a skin irritant?

She is still alive & free from arthritus and swears by the stuff. When talking with a few oldies at my mums residential care home it became clear that a fair few in their generation used borax on skin and ingested with no problems, I think the borax product was called '20 mule' or similar.

Please could you tell me why yours is so toxic please?? Also...I always understood that borax and boric acid are the same substance apart from one of them has more water molecules than the other, any advice on this lol?

I want to purchase from you but not if you sell a toxic form as im removing all mainstream pollutant chemicals from my home, then just using borax, citris acid, soap flakes, soda crystals, bicarb of soda and white vinegar for everything from hardcore cleaning, laundry, personal hygiene, pet and my shampoo, insecticide etc (the oldies convinced me there is no need for the squillions of products poisoning us everyday just so some fat cat corporate ****rs can rake in the profits at our expense).

Hope you can help me aquire the borax I talk of if you dont supply the safe version, all I can find is a substitute which my gran says is not borax either!!

Thanks in advance Mark


Sent: Friday, October 24,2014 at 4:27 PM From: "Intralabs - Dan" To: "'mark speed'" Subject: RE: Borax or Borax?


Borax was reclassified 4 years ago as Repro-toxic by the EU which means that it could damage fertilitiy or an unborn child if eaten.

Borax is not toxic to your general health (other than that just stated) and is actually less toxic than table salt.

This is the reason why your relative is quite well and not ill. 20 mule team borax is the same as the borax we sell, the only difference is that it's not classed as repro-toxic by US law but is by EU law.

20 mule team is a brand of borax, it's all the same.

Kind regards Dan

Intra-Laboratories, Unit 5, Devonshire Meadows, Broadley Park Road Plymouth, PL6 7EZ

Tel: 01752 724109,

Posted by Luke (Australia) on 09/14/2014

Hi, my brother has been drinking borax multipurpose cleaner and deodoriser for some time now, and after just finding out that this particular product is used for cleaning toilets etc etc, I'm a bit worried!

Does anyone know if this is ok, is it even safe to consume?

It clearly states on the bottle that it is not to be taken, but says he saw on the internet that it is safe!

I need answers PLEASE!