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Borax Origin  

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Posted by Filip (London, United Kingdom) on 03/07/2015

Dear Earth Clinic, What are the differences between the borax that is mined in the US and in Turkey? In the UK, we can only purchase Borax from Turkey, is this safe to ingest?

Replied by Aussieroz
Australia
08/31/2015
I've been using the Borax from Turkey for over a year and I have not experienced any negative side effects.

Borax Pentahydrate Vs Borax Decahydrate  

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Posted by Daniel (Christchurch, Canterbury) on 09/30/2010

Could anybody tell me if borax pentahydrate and borax decahydrate, both being only 5 molecules apart, are both safe to ingest using Ted's recipe?

Replied by Marianne
Nelson
07/12/2012
Hello daniel, I am also in NZ, want to know if you found out more info on pentahydrate borax as that is what I've bought from the binn inn. I want to use it for helping me cure my arthritis as well as fungal nails. Looking forward to your reply, many thanks
Replied by Eddy
Perth, Western Australia
12/14/2012
The chemical difference is that the Borax Pentahydrate molecule has 5 water molecules attached, and the Borax Decahydrate molecule has 10 water molecules attached.

The practical difference is that the Borax Pentahydrate is around 15% Boron, whereas the Borax Decahydrate molecule is 'bigger' because of the extra water molecules and as a result the ratio of Boron content is less, at about 10% of the total weight.

They are identical substances except for the molecular water content and the resulting different proportions of the element Boron. Since the Pentahydrate is 'stronger' at 15% Boron, you should reduce the doses by around 1/3rd to get to the equivalent Decahydrate doses. That's all.


Borax Safety  

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Posted by Mark (Exeter, United Kingdom) on 08/22/2015 | 15 Posts

Below is my email to intralabs and their reply stating the safety of borax, the only toxic effects apply to unborn babies whose mother ingests. The 'powers that be' have left that bit out to make us think toxicity applies to all of us, hence shops removing borax and replacing with borax substitute (which really is toxic!! ). Email intralabs yourselves for reassurance. They are very cheap too. Label warnings of dangers and toxicity are put on Borax by law.

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From: mark speed Sent: 24 October 2014 06:26 To: admin@intralabs.co.uk Subject: Borax or Borax?

Hi, Im confused about 'Borax' mainly as my nan used to drink small amounts to rid herself from arthritus, also using it as shampoo then rinsing afterwards with citric acid, she fed her plants with it as every living organisms cells require borax! So I dont understand why yr Material Safety Data Sheet says it is toxic ingested and a skin irritant?

She is still alive & free from arthritus and swears by the stuff. When talking with a few oldies at my mums residential care home it became clear that a fair few in their generation used borax on skin and ingested with no problems, I think the borax product was called '20 mule' or similar.

Please could you tell me why yours is so toxic please?? Also...I always understood that borax and boric acid are the same substance apart from one of them has more water molecules than the other, any advice on this lol?

I want to purchase from you but not if you sell a toxic form as im removing all mainstream pollutant chemicals from my home, then just using borax, citris acid, soap flakes, soda crystals, bicarb of soda and white vinegar for everything from hardcore cleaning, laundry, personal hygiene, pet and my shampoo, insecticide etc (the oldies convinced me there is no need for the squillions of products poisoning us everyday just so some fat cat corporate ****rs can rake in the profits at our expense).

Hope you can help me aquire the borax I talk of if you dont supply the safe version, all I can find is a substitute which my gran says is not borax either!!

Thanks in advance Mark

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Sent: Friday, October 24,2014 at 4:27 PM From: "Intralabs - Dan" To: "'mark speed'" Subject: RE: Borax or Borax?

Hi

Borax was reclassified 4 years ago as Repro-toxic by the EU which means that it could damage fertilitiy or an unborn child if eaten.

Borax is not toxic to your general health (other than that just stated) and is actually less toxic than table salt.

This is the reason why your relative is quite well and not ill. 20 mule team borax is the same as the borax we sell, the only difference is that it's not classed as repro-toxic by US law but is by EU law.

20 mule team is a brand of borax, it's all the same.

Kind regards Dan

Intra-Laboratories, Unit 5, Devonshire Meadows, Broadley Park Road Plymouth, PL6 7EZ

Tel: 01752 724109, www.intralabs.co.uk


Borax Scent  

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Posted by Mary (Boston, Ma, Usa) on 04/29/2013

Has anyone else here had problems with 20 Mule Team Borax lately? The recent boxes I purchased seemed to have a noticeable fragrance added. Was very irritating as I'm highly chemical and scent sensitive. I called the manufacturer and they told me that nothing's been changed or added; I'm unconvinced. I've used Borax for years and never experienced this until just recently. Am hopeful my experience was a fluke but am looking at other sources for Borax.

Some previous posters here had noted a scent so was wondering if anyone else here might have noticed it as well. Many at Earth Clinic use it for medicinal reasons and they'd notice a change.

Replied by Timh Donate

Louisville, Ky, Usa
04/30/2013
Mary: The most likely explanation is that the 20 Mule Teem is shipped in the same container as other detergent products that do contain chemical scents (and many have very high levels). The 20 Mule Teem manufacturer would need alerted that the scent is leaking into the cardboard box containers. The boxed Borax is certainly permeable.

I have noticed this same type incidence with other products that are located near scented laundry products on the store shelves.

Try pouring the Borax in a wide container and let set out in a mild sun and not too damp weather.

Replied by Bess
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
04/30/2013
Hi Mary - I just checked my container of borax and there is no smell BUT I've had the box for awhile so perhaps the new stock carries a fragrance. Also, I'm in Canada so maybe there are different formulas for export to various countries.

Does borax absorb odours like baking soda does? The smell in the detergent aisle of the supermarket is so overpowering, I'm wondering if it's absorbing odours from the other products. It's too bad so many people feel the need for toxic fragrance in just about everything.

Have you tried the health food store in the laundry section? If they don't have it in stock, they may be able to order it for you (as long as it isn't a "repackaged" 20 Mule Team product). Good luck! Bess

Replied by Evi
La Center,wa
07/29/2014
I just bought 20 mule borax at walmart.. no scents at all...
Replied by Rebel
Somewhere, Usa
07/30/2014
I have seen a lot of posst on here about BORAX now being scented in many markets. I also read, where some guy that was promoting borax as an arthritis cure, said to stock up on it, as soon it would be removed from shelves.... Sorry for not having that source to list, I read so much it is impossible for me to add everything to my favorites and list.

Just my opinion, maybe the company that makes the borax is coming under fire from some outside source and is being encouraged to add fragrance to the product now. I have been able to still get 100% all natural 20 mule team at my area grocery stores, but any day that could end. I don't think they would quit making the stuff or selling it, but adding fragrance may be a way to discourage internal use.

I want to buy several boxes to put up, but not sure how or where to store it long term. We have to continue to think ahead of them, because no sick people equals no money for them. So I would strongly encourage people that have access to the 100% all natural to stock up on it as soon as possible.

Replied by Om
Hope Bc Canada
07/30/2014
Hi, Rebel from somewhere, US ---- you are quite right. And this is going to happen to a number of supplements. It is already happening.

I have ordered and received a large order of ESSIAC after I was told that one company had published some testimonies about its effectiveness and cures. They were pulled into court and told they cannot provide testimonies. Like "you cannot do this". They also lost their business.

Lugol's Iodine has been removed from the Canadian market and US companies cannot sell to Canada. Best thing to go online and let Tony Pantalleresco teach to make it yourself on YT.This is blatant disservice to the people of the entire country.

It is best to take the cue from there.

Namaste, Om

Jacqui
Devon, Uk
03/02/2016
Strange that Canada should ban Lugol's. Spoke to a friend recently returned from Canada, and she was surprised by how many cannabis plants she saw growing in people's back gardens. Definitely weird country.
Replied by Mama To Many Donate

Tennessee
07/30/2014
Dear Rebel,

Borax should be stored in a cool dry place. Moisture makes it clump. But you can just crush it back up with a hammer. It should be able to be stored indefinitely. It was sitting in a borax mine for a long time before it was put in a box, though processed before boxing.

I found this website:

http://www.20muleteamlaundry.com/about/what-is-borax/

Interestingly, it mentions that borax used to be used to aid digestion, keep milk sweet, and cure epilepsy. It pooh poohs on this now, because of "modern technology and common sense." But we know that the old timers knew more than they often get credit for!

Thanks for the heads up on stocking up--and Om, for your information about natural items being banned for sale. My chiropractor says the same thing.

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Mama To Many Donate

Tennessee
07/30/2014
Another thought on storing Borax...it does seem to absorb odours, thus the common concern that it has fragrance...it is on the shelf with strongly scented laundry products and absorbs their odours.

For long term storage, I think glass jars, of light, would be ideal. Even food grade freezer weight storage bags will have an odour transfer, so I don't think they would be the best, though they may be better than the box the borax comes in.

Just a few thoughts....

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Mama To Many Donate

Tennessee
07/30/2014
Meant to say,

"For long term storage, I think glass jars *out* of light, would be ideal. (In other words, in a cool dark place.)

~Mama~

Replied by Mary
Boston, MA
08/30/2014
Wanted to come back to the thread I started to update: I am back with borax again :)

Had a recent skin rash that resisted all treatments, in desperation I remembered the box of Borax I'd stashed in the garage last year after opening it and finding it scented. Poured some out and found....no scent! The time spent stored in the cool garage had removed the odor, which was obviously from other scented products that had been stored/shipped with my Borax box.

The cardboard packaging is obviously very porous and Borax itself highly absorbent. And I'm guessing it wouldn't be cost-efficient (nor environmentally sound) to package it in plastic....going forward I'll be purchasing well in advance of running out, pouring it into an open container and leaving it for several weeks in my garage or shed to air out. I'd advise others who have had the same problem to do this as well.

re: my rash: two days of bathing in Borax and my swelling and itching have subsided, after two weeks of agony. Am so happy to be using this amazing product again. Hope this experience is helpful to others.


Borax Shampoo  

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Posted by Tx Kel (Frisco, Tx, Usa) on 05/14/2013
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There are lots of posts on using Borax as Shampoo. I had to try it but I had some problems no one seemed to mention. My final review is I LOVE IT and will never go back to regular shampoo.

I have very oily hair and shampoo daily or I look like I dumped grease on my head. I mixed up a few spoons of Mule Borax in a 4 cup bowl and poured it on my head then rinsed. I looked like I had dreadlocks!!! My hair all clumped together and looked horrible. The Borax couldn't clean my hair. I had too much buildup. So I used a bit of dish soap for my next shampoo to strip my hair and also a higher concentration of Borax.

I kept trying it and figured out that with our water (TX gets its water from lakes so its got lots of stuff in it) and my oily condition I had to do the following : at least 1/4 -1/2 cup or more of Borax in 8 cups of hot water. Stir and wait for crystals to settle to the bottom. Wet hair with water and pour, scrub, pour scrub, etc at least 4 times with no rinsing between. Then rinse hair in fairly hot water. That's it. My best guess is that it takes a very strong concentration to loosen the dirt / oil and repeating the scrubbing / washing helps loosen it all from the hair shaft. Then the hot water helps to remove it all.

The whole process is actually faster than when I would shampoo. I will admit about once a week or two I do use regular shampoo to strip any excess oil that seems to build up. I also do a heavy conditioning treatment at that time. Otherwise I don't need any conditioner on a daily bases which is amazing because my hair is long and tangles easily.

To anyone trying Borax I suggest really stripping your hair first of all the buildup. Use dish soap to wash first, then do the Borax wash. Then just use Borax every time you wash thereafter. Then you won't have the dreadlock look the first time. You need to make the Borax water as strong as needed for your hair and your water.

Benefits: less oily hair, no reaction or sensitivity, hair fallout has decreased dramatically, hair dye sticks to hair much better and stays much longer with less fading!!

Additional benefit: it runs over face and my redness has decreased along with decrease in pore size and overall face coloring has evened out. Wonderful side benefit. I wrote another post about how well this works for your face!!

Replied by Roxi211234
Roswell, Ga
07/27/2013
Hi,I read somewhere that TX has the highest level of fluoride in their tap water so you might want to consider using distilled water for your shampoo... I filter my water in the shower to remove most metals and fluoride, but I will try your shampoo advice, borax does make my hair soft and silky, also I color my hair with rainbow henna, stopped using commercial dyes 2 years ago and has dramatically changed my hair texture.
Replied by Myra
Kansas City Mo
11/20/2013
Borax reacts with fluoride ions to form boron fluorides which protects your body (in and out) from the negative effects of Fluoride. This compound prevents your body from absorbing the fluouride. helpful resource:.www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

Borax Side Effects  

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Borax is gaining popularity as an effective natural remedy, yet some people experience side effects. People have experienced side effects from using borax internally and externally. Some of the side effects from internal use include stomach upset, headache, kidney pain, flu-like symptoms,and rashes. External used has also been known to cause rashes.

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Boric Acid Vs Borax  

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Posted by G. T. (A. P. India) on 01/14/2014

Hi. I'm just sooo gratefuld for EARTH CLINIC.

I couldnt find any Borax in my town, but only Boric Powder. There is no other informations on the box other than Bhavi Chemicals Bangalore, and; not for medical use. 100 Gms (TECH), tha'ts all. Can I use it as the Borax remedy in Earth Clinic pages? Much love and light to all.

Replied by Ashok
Australia
01/27/2014
Hi you can buy it from any pansari shop or shops which sell herbs etc under name "suhaga". It's available eveywhere.
Replied by Baldev
Maharashtra, India
01/28/2014

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Hi Ashok,

Are you sure Borax is Suhaga ? G.T from AP, you can ask any chemist in your place and he can get you. In Mumbai there is an area where number of shops are there who deal in chemicals and medicinal drugs in bulk, the name is princes street and one can get Borax there. Boric acid is completely different, a lot is written about it on this site and I won't suggest to use Boric acid in place of Borax.

Baldev

Replied by G. T.
India
03/06/2014
Hi again. I just want to know if BORIC POWDER and Borax is the same.

Posted by Blenderlady (Satellite Beach, Fl) on 01/08/2013

Hello, I see the many warnings to use Borax and NOT Boric Acid - but I can't find any rational for this warning.

From another website on this topic it says, "Boric acid, if available, may be used at about 2/3 the dose of borax" http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

I have Boric Acid, and am very eager to get this cleared up... Thanks in advance!

Replied by Francisanne
Los Angeles, Ca, Usa
02/27/2013
These warnings are unfounded. In other earthclinic pages where Boric Acid is discussed, extremist warnings post too. But also listed are links to informed books/sites. I give this: borax and boric acid are in all my antique and vintage Early Amer and German cookbooks as health remedies, food preservatives, other non-bug kill home uses. For fastest research: go to googlebooks, search 'household __', 'health and __', 'agricultural __', 'veteranary __', and 'medical __'. For 'boric acid and health' the quick hilites and 3 minutes told me volumes. I include 2010 in searches as govt info often takes 5-10 years to publish anyway. See pg 390 of Nat'l Institute of Health Issue 53-57 about boric acid facts for example. DO NOT listen to random shouts by warning bloggers. FIRST do your OWN research, just like earthclinic also advises top of each page. Boric acid is used heavily in mfg/food/agri to cover/fix tainted foods. But in tiny, sparse amounts, yes, many govt/med reports report doctors teaching patients how to make their own very small amounts med capsules. Borax and boric acid are potent, but can and do heal.
Replied by Dori
Santa Ana, Ca, Usa
02/27/2013
For your reference, book titled 'Integrative Womens Health',

Best fastest easiest most informative book I ever read on Womens womens healthiness including vaginal was - Integrative Women's Health, 2010, by Victoria Maizes Executive Director & Associate Professor of Medici Arizona Center for Integrative Medicine, Tieraona Low Dog Director of the Fellowship Arizona Center for Integrative Medicine. It still costs usd40 or so. But its online free too (probably like a post said at googlebooks.

I saw the Warnings about boric acid for vaginal issues, so I'm suggesting all the women read this and teach the book to their girls too. At page 192 it says:

''In a double blinded RCT of 108 women with yeast, the boric acid cure rate was 92% at 7 to 10 days post-treatment and 72% at 30 days and that was significantly more effective than nystatin (Van Slyke 1981).... Specific diabetic women have higher cure rate in 14 days than 1 dose fluconazole, but at 3 months cure rates are same... Usual dose boric acid is 600mg in gelcap inserted in vag daily for 2 weeks with maintenance dose 2/weekly to prevent recurrence. There is LITTLE SYSTEMIC ABSORPTION with vag administration, but large amounts of oral ingestion are shown TOXIC. Also, it is inexpensive. DO NOT use during pregnancy.... Pap smear doesn't necessarily indicate Bacterial Vaginosis (BV)... "

Do ALL your research very well. Some professionals are interested in money or are limited by their bosses (their hospital or insurance group limits, or pharma's that fund them).

Replied by Da1
Tx
07/26/2013
I used Yeast Arrest early in pregnancy for a yeast infection. I now read about how dangerous it is with pregnancy. Did I do harm for the baby. What are the harms that caused by borax, boric acid during preg. I am freaking out
Replied by Mama To Many Donate

Tennessee, Usa
07/27/2013
Dear Da1 from Tx, Hi! While I wouldn't continue using a product not advised during pregnancy, I would try not to worry about it. Babies in the womb do so well, even when we make mistakes. I had dental x-rays one time before I knew I was pregnant. A good friend had heart problems necessitating a CT scan before she knew she was pregnant. Those babies are fine and well children now. Borax and Boric acid are much less toxic than many drugs that are used by mothers (prescription and otherwise. ) The amount of borax and boric acid you would have used with a yeast away product would not have been large amounts and the baby couldn't have gotten large amounts. Many products say not to use them in pregnancy just for liability purposes.

God bless you and try to enjoy your pregnancy!

~Mama to Many~


Posted by Tamis (Paris, France) on 10/26/2011

I just bought some borax from a local drugstore and was given a plastic bag with "borate na" written on it. Having read that some drugstores have given some boric acid instead of borax I asked the vendor if he was sure it was borax and not boric acid and he told me it was labeled "borate na" in his storage room.

Now I'm a cautious guy and I want to make sure this is indeed borax and not boric acid.

Is there a way to test this at home ? Like adding my powder to vinegar and see if it fizzles or not ?

I found out the The ph of Borax is about 9. 5 (so I guess it should fizzle in vinegar), boric acid has a ph of 3. 7 (http://www.merck-chemicals.com/boric-acid/MDA_CHEM-100765/p_HXeb.s1Lb5QAAAEW9.AfVhTl) (so I also guess it should not fizzle in vinegar).

Am I right about this?

Replied by Maria
Gippsland, Australia
10/26/2011
Hi Tamis, I have not found that it has any fizz when adding it to cleaning mixes, but of course they are diluted. Anyway I have just added borax to ACV and there is no fizz, have also added it to cheap white vinegar and no fizz. You may have to test it with a ph meter, I got mine for about $15 (AU) including postage via ebay. Good luck.
Replied by Misty
Somewhere, Indiana, Usa
07/04/2012
Boric acid's chemical formula is H3BO3; there is no sodium (Na) in boric acid. The chemical formula for borax is Na2B4O710H2O or Na2[B4O5(OH)4]8H2O. Other names for borax include sodium tetraborate, disodium tetraborate, and sodium borate. Thus, you have gotten your hands on an oddly named version of borax :)

Posted by Dr Jon (Goa, India) on 08/23/2011

Does seem that borax does turn into boric acid when it enters the body!!!!!


Posted by Rani (Port Townsend, Washington, Usa) on 01/23/2010
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Hi Ted, I recently became aware of Earth Clinic and was very excited about the remedy for fluoride "borax" and so I decided to give it a try...here's when things went awry. I went to my local pharmacy and asked for a food grade borax, if in fact any was available, the pharmacist told me he didn't have food grade borax, but that they carried "Boric acid" which he said was the"Same Thing" as borax. He went on to asked me what I was going to use it for, I told him I was going to ingest it as a remedy for fluoride removal from the body. He had never heard of such a thing but went on to look at the label(one side only) and it read "If ingestion of a quantity of 1 teaspoon were to happen, it went on to say, to make sure to drink lots of water. I always read the labels myself, but I did not have my glasses with me and I asked if he was the pharmacist and he said yes. so trusted that he knows his stuff, seeing how he went to school for 100 years to become a freaking pharmacist...come to find out after about an 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of this stuff (as recommended on this site by other users of borax...not boric acid), my son asked what I am taking and I told him and why...he was skeptical, but suggested that I should inquire of our naturopath. So before doing that, because I wanted to know immediatley, I went on line and found to my horror that it is a insecticide for killing roachs and a eye wash and salve for diaper rash and wounds, but that regular exposure from topical to breathing in the powder was toxic to humans...especially if ingested. Geez... I freaked out! I kept drinking lots of water and went to the ER, they checked me out and looked at me like a real nut and because I was not vomiting, having diarrhea, headache etc. they called poison control and finally sent me home with a "you'll Probably be ok and Probably no real threat to my life or kidneys, liver, heart, respiration, and nervous system damage. I am so upset and scared that damage has been done to my liver and kidneys that I will probably not know about for years( I am 61). "Is Boric Acid the same as Borax"? I looked on line and found that Borax goes by many names...boric acid and boron being only a few. I still want to rid myself of the fluoride because of thyroid issues and insomnia, but I need to be assured that the 20 Mule team in the supermarket isn't going to harm me. Thanks, Rani

Replied by Rani
Port Townsend, Washington
01/24/2010
Thank you for posting my e-mail. I can't believe I overlooked such an important bit of information. I am still feeling a bit queezy to my stomach and of course if I let my mind roll on this I could freak out and have a panic attack. But I got info from poison control, I also went on line and did more research, it could have been a really sad situation if I would have ingested more, I could have permanent kidney, liver damage or heart problems...and of course Death. I am more upset with myself because I am usually over cautious when it comes to medications, foods, beauty products etc. But on this day I was off my game and I almost paid dearly for it. I still feel a bit worried, but my recourse is only to wait this out...there is no antidote for boric acid poisoning, if your lucky with a large dose you may live...and many do, but for those others who did not survive it was a painful lesson for all. It has been a lesson that I need to stay awake and aware of what I chose to nourish this Temple. If you loose your house that's not such a big deal at least to me, but if I loose my health...well life's not gonna be much fun and I love having fun. I am going to attempt the borax in a month or so, just want to make sure I am not going to insult my body when it's already had a hit. I feel a little stupid right about now, but thanks for being here it helps to express this. Peace to All, Rani

Posted by Rosie on 06/01/2009

I hope this message finds you very well. May I suggest you to change the heading underneath the BORAX remedy in your website: Boric Acid is not a synonym of Borax! It took me 2 days to find out my mistake: I have been drinking a solution of Boric Acid instead of Borax and I even made my husband to drink it... There is Sulfuric Acid added to Borax, then it is not a synonym for Borax.

We feel all right but please change your heading. I was a bit stupid and despaired and I didn't verify that information. The trouble is stupidity and despair is sadly common nowadays.

Kind Regards, Rosie

Replied by Ted Donate

Bangkok, Thailand
06/01/2009

386 Posts
A borax has a pH of 8.6 and is alkaline, but boric acid has a very acid pH! I hardly make any mention of boric acid except as a warning not to take it!

Ted
Replied by Rosie
Daylesford Victoria Au
11/19/2013
Dear all,

I am really really sorry as I feel responsible about these boric acid warning... Here is the email I just sent to Deirde

Hello Deirde:

About 4 years ago I sent you an email about the possible confusion between boric acid and borax. As I had some boric acid in my paint tool box and read about the borax cure in your so precious website, I was confident to give this boric acid to my husband. So he took it and probably had a healing crises that I didn't recognize as such at the time and I decided to research a bit more about boric acid. Too quickly I came across with the (not so accurate) wikipedia website and read that boric acid is toxic if ingested. That is why I wrote that email to you and I was probably in a state of fear and guilt of thinking that I could have poisoned my husband. Then you put the warning mentions on the borax page. A couple of days ago I went back to the borax page on earthclinc to prepare an article about borax as my husband and I continue to take it regularly and we want to spread the word about its fantastic ability of healing. There a saw some comments of people upset about the warnings of Boric Acid on the Borax page. Then I felt that those warnings were there only because of my experience which was only based on my lack of research and state of fear at the time...my stupidity.

Like the authors of those comments I would like to ask you to remove those warning signs as it creates a confusion that is detrimental on the perfectly safe use of borax and boric acid for healing.

Thank you so much in advance if you can do it and thank you a thousand times for the wonderful site that you have created.

Kind regards, Rosie


EC: Dear Rosie, thank you for getting back to us after 4 years! We will change the table of contents title on your posts.


Boron Vs Borax  

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Posted by Chris (Boulder, Co) on 04/15/2010

Is it ok to take ionic boron, the liquid version

http://www.vitamincottage.com/ionic_boron_liquid_48_day_supply_by_trace_minerals_research_2_oz_s_153401_gm_-p-5349.html

to chelate fluoride out of the system and to add to water to defluoridate it?

i saw an answer to my last question i just sent, that boron supplements in pill form are not recommended by Ted. so what about this liquid form? it will definitely be absorbed in the body, and by water, so what dose should we use to cleanse our body completely? and then to fix the water?

thanks!
chris

Replied by Chris
Boulder, Co
02/14/2011
Can you please answer my question. It has been 10 months and no response. I am still wondering if the ionic boron supplement in liquid form can defluoridate water the same as solid borax/borox?

Apparantly a few people are also waiting. Thank you in advance!
Chris
Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
02/14/2011

1239 Posts
Hi Chris... The question you ask is not easily answered. Some ionic boron supplements contain some strange mixtures, here is an example:

www.mineralifeonline.com/pd-boron-8oz-120-day-supply.cfm

The above so-called "Ionic Catalyst" supplement contains boric acid, ascorbic acid and citric acid. Personally, I would never ingest boric acid, which is not the same as its salt - sodium borate or sodium tetraborate, also known as plain old Borax -- same as contained in 20 Mule Team Borax brand.

Other so-called ionic boron supplements just contain Sodium Borate or Sodium Tetraborate in solution as evidenced here:

www.herbalremedies.com/ionic-boron.html

Yet other Boron powder supplements are sold in health shops. And when you check the ingredients -- the main constituent will be Sodium Tetraborate or plain old Borax. This supplement tablet form will probably also be more expensive than 20 Mule Team Borax but 20 MT Borax powder will not contain extra caking agents like Calcium Triphosphate, Stearic Acid and magnesium stearate or vegetable stearates which are always used in the tablet forms.

Sodium Borate or Sodium Tetraborate are all Borax as we know it which normally comes in powder form -- and this is what you need to ingest in solution in small amounts to remove fluoride from your body. See the EC Borax Cures Page and read Ted from Bangkok's advice on Borax powder use and dosages.
Replied by Chris
Boulder, Co
02/14/2011
Thank you for the response.

I just went out and bought triplus boron supplments that include calcium to help it chelate through the system. The pills only contain 1.5 mg per every two pills so to get a defluoridation dose I am taking 8 pills per day which is 6 mg.

Do you think this will be enough to chelate it out of my system daily? I am also drinking distilled water. Thank you so much for the response and I know this form of supplement is easier for people to take and others would be interested if this is a high enough dose to remove fluoride (6mg) thank you!
Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
02/14/2011

1239 Posts
Hi Chris... The Borax dosage recommended by Ted from Bangkok is 1/8 tspn (for women) and 1/4 tspn(for men) dissolved in 1 litre of water a day taken for only 4 days a week. Therefore, the Borax dosage per day here is roughly between 500 mgs(women) and 1000 mgs(men) a day for four days a week by this method (1 tspn = 4000 mgs approx).

So Ted's dose is considerably higher than your 6 mgs a day. But nevertheless I think that you would probably eventually be able to achieve removal of fluoride from your body -- however I think it will take you a significantly longer time to achieve fluoride removal than with Ted's method and dosage.
Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
02/15/2011

1239 Posts
Hi Chris... Have you ever considered taking 2 drops of 5% Lugol's Iodine solution (12.5 mgs) per day in a glass of water as perhaps an easier means of removing fluorine from your body?

Lugol's iodine supplementing will also get rid of other halogens like bromine as well as help to remove heavy metals like cadmium, lead, mercury and aluminium form the body. And lugol's other beneficial effects on the thyroid and the body in general are also well known.
Replied by Chris
Boulder, Co
02/16/2011
But is 1000mg borax honestly the same as 1000mg boron? I had the feeling that 1mg borax contained only like 20% of that or less as boron? If I am wrong maybe I will start taking more? Like 16 pills a day = 12 mg? I read the reccomended detox fluoride dose was 6 to 10mg so maybe that was wrong?

Second question, what are the signs of success? How do I know I am fluoride free inside? Sorry to keep harping on this it is very important to me.
Replied by Chris
Boulder, Co
02/16/2011
Thank you for the iodine tip.When I get paid in two weeks I will buy the 5% iodine and take that and the boron together. That should work and also negate any fluoride I intake? :)
thanks again! chris
Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
02/17/2011

1239 Posts
Hi Chris... To answer your questions:

But is 1000mg borax honestly the same as 1000mg boron?

There is no such thing really as supplementing free elemental boron. The only way to take it internally is as Sodium Borate or Sodium Tetraborate which is the same as Borax.

I had the feeling that 1mg borax contained only like 20% of that or less as boron? If I am wrong maybe I will start taking more? Like 16 pills a day = 12 mg?

Now your getting into the realms of molar weight equivalents. I'm not going there, way too complicated and unnecessary. Stick with the dosage that feels right for you. If you feel that the RDA is correct and that you should be taking 3 - 6 mgs of borax, then you should do so. But I would expect that it will probably take you months to get rid of the fluoride inside your body rather than weeks using Ted from Bangkok's method and dosages. This decision is really up to you.

Second question, what are the signs of success?

I'm afraid I can't really tell you that, because you haven't described any of your symptoms or problems. Speaking generally, if you have got excess fluoride build up the symptoms can vary alot but some examples are: brain fog, lethargy, insomnia, lack of energy, acid body, associated bacterial, virus and fungal problems like candida, bone problems, mood problems with possible hormonal problems like hypothyrodism, adrenal fatigue etc(you can also get wide hormonal problems with fluoride build up occurring on the pineal and pituitary glands in the brain -- which both help to control all hormones in the body).

When you get rid of the fluoride -- and providing there is nothing else wrong with you -- these problems should all eventually disappear.
Replied by Rsw
Uniontown, Oh
02/11/2012
Hi Bill, If I take 3mg. of boron chelate a day, will it help rid the body of whatever is causing systemic lichen planus, the way the borax and liter of water will? Then I understand that I will also need to drink baking soda and water with lemon, twice a day. Can I use reconstituted lemon juice from a bottle? Do I also need to add magnesium, and if so, how much? Thank you.
Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, The Philippines
02/13/2012

1239 Posts
Hi Rsw... Alkalizing with Ted's Lime/Lemon recipe should certainly help to remove acidity from the body. For this I would use real lemons/limes rather than their bottled equivalents because of unnecessary additives. Although you are also using Borax internally, I would also consider using magnesium -- as mag citrate or gluconate(250 mgs twice a day) -- as well as using lugol's iodine internally as well. This will help to boost your immune system as well as help to kill of the LP.

I also note that you are not really applying any topical remedies to your lichen planus problem. See this link for useful topical remedies for LP from Ted:

http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/lichen_planus_questions.html#Question_1159


Posted by Shaun (York, Uk) on 04/11/2010

Toughness of Boron

I wonder if the following is also why boron (and its salt borax) is (as otherwise), so helpful to one's bones?

"Ordinary T-shirts could become body armor"

http://www.physorg.com/news189884043.html


Posted by Crista (Pekin, Illinois) on 10/03/2009

I have been researching the boron/borax issue because I want to use it, but have been quite afraid because of all the talk of it being toxic or poisonous. So I found a sientific article online that states this:

"Borax is necessary in small amounts for plant growth, one of the 16 essential nutrients. In larger amounts it is poisonous to plants, and the range can be small. For peaches, 1 ppm is required, but more than 5 ppm is toxic. If the signs of boron deficiency are noted in plants, a boron supplement can be applied. Borates can be used as non-toxic and non-specific herbicides. Borates are non-toxic to animals. The LD50 (dose at which there is 50% mortality) for humans is about 6 g per kg of body weight. Anything above 2 g is considered non-toxic, and borates are only 2 to 3 times as toxic as aspirin. Therefore, you are pretty safe unless you eat a pound and a half of borax for a snack. Borates are more toxic to insects than to mammals. The boranes and similar gaseous compounds are quite poisonous. As usual, it is not an element that is intrinsically poisonous, but toxicity depends on structure."

J.B. Calvert, (24 November 2002). Boron. Retrieved 03 October 2009, from http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/boron.htm

Sorry I am all about the references, plus this article has several quality references in it.

My husband was worried about me ingesting this so that is why I have done so much reasearch. I really feel it is safe, but even with this I am still a bit slow to try it. I will get up the courage soon. I just wanted to put this fact out there for all the people that argue about it. I think mainly I am afraid of the detox reaction I might have because my face has been pink for quite some time and if I put lotion on it or anything else it become very red till it is dry. I have washed my face twice with it so far though and it has at least dried up my acne. I also just used a bathroom cup to add water to some borax and then poored it on my hair. After rinsing then I shampooed. It did make it soft, although I tried to combine it with my body wash and it created a perm smell so I am going to do it by itself next time. Good luck everyone who tries Borax, but it is safe in small quantities.

Replied by 1947hoppy
Winamac, Indiana
02/25/2013
I found a reference to using borax for arthritis quite by accident. Having had more than one bad experience with "possible side effects" from both prescription and otc drugs, my interest is arroused by any and all 'natural' remedies.

Like most people, I want to do plenty of research prior to taking the big step into the unknow. Along the way I happened to google "20 mule team borax" to see what the company itself had to say about their product. I was quite surprised to see this actual quote from their site.

"In earlier times, borax was proclaimed to be a magical crystal that was used to aid digestion, keep milk sweet and even cure epilepsy. Common sense and modern technology have brought us better solutions to these and other problems, but 20 Mule Team Borax still has a place in your home."

I'm not a rocket scientist, but it seems to me that if it can be used to sweeten milk, aid digestion and cure (not help, but cure) epilepsy, in the words of the company that sells it, it would seemingly be safe to mix small amounts with water and consume.

I just picked up a box and will be giving it a try post haste. I also plan to give my aging dog a taste of it for his arthritis.

Glad I found this site, again an accident, and plan to do a lot of reading and perhaps a little contributing.


Posted by Crista (Pekin, Illinois) on 10/03/2009

I know I posted the quote earlier, but as I have been continuing to research, why not just take the Boron suppliments versus drinking the Borax? Is there a big difference in taking one or the other? If Ted or someone else could answer this that would be great.

Replied by Katey
Apex, Nc
08/25/2010
I am interested in this as well. Saw "chelated Boron" at the health food store and would prefer to take it if it has similar properties.
Replied by Anon
Anon
08/25/2010
I believe Ted has answered this before on here. If I recall right, he moonlighted on a job where they made boron supplements. The boron supplements are made from borax (boron). The difference is that the supplements have added fillers and may not be absorbed by the body as well. Perhaps chewing the pill or crushing it will help it absorb better. Borax is cheaper than buying the supplements as well, but the choice has to be yours to make.


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