My father in law has mesothelioma and is treating it naturally (without chemo). He recently had a bout with candida and did turpentine and it helped him immensely. Now he has a blood clot in his jugular and the Dr.put him on Xarelto. His candida has gotten worse since he had stopped it for a while and he wants to do the turpentine again. Does anyone know if that would hurt him? We can't find that answer anywhere.
Taking turpentine after or before you've taken advil is a bad idea.
My ex girlfriend took a small dose of terpentine of 20 drops with sugar cubes and just before she took that she took a couple advils (I think) and that had a very bad reaction. The two react with each other. I confirmed this with my nutritionist. She was in a lot of pain for half the day if not more.
You shouldn't take anything 2 hrs before or after taking the turpentine. I've been using this for systemic whipples disease which causes me a lot inflammation. Recently I've noticed after taking the turpentine that it's causing me to have more inflammation. I did some research and found when injected into animals it causes inflammation in that tissue. So Idk if it's herx-reaction or if it's making the inflammation in my body worse than it already is. Can anyone shed some light on this for me please!
I'm new to this site (and turpentine) and I decided to join because this looks like a good place for valid information regarding turpentine usage. I know that turpentine is xenobiotic and I am on a couple of Rx meds. Does anyone know what the timing/spacing should be?
I have lyme and co-infections and would like to know if anyone is using turpentine for the same reason, and if successes/failures can be shared.
I appreciate any input.
I'm curious if the turpentine has helped lyme? I've got it and I'm researching alt treatments.
Hello Bill, I've seen many of your posts about turpentine. I am considering taking it with regard to multiple pain issues. I also have hepatitis-c and peripheral neuropathy...Will this bother either of my issues? My concern is... if it strips off paint from a wall, will it bother my myelin sheath? Thank you very much...
(San Fernando, Philippines)
Hi Denise...Supplementing Turpentine has the effect of cleansing the bowels and purifying the blood. I have never read any research where turpentine has ever caused damage to nerves. The neuropathy problem that you mention is usually normally caused by the Hepatitis C virus.
The symptoms you might experience are a wooziness and drowsiness when you take too much turpentine because turpentine also has a sedative effect. Turpentine also can have a laxative effect, but I have only ever experienced a slight loosening of the stools when I took 2 tspns of turpentine in one go(double the normal dose). And if there is any ongoing disease in the blood or bowels, such as Hepatitis C, then you may well get a Herx or die-off reaction as well.
You can also take turpentine baths if you wish. Add one or two small shot glasses of turpentine into the bath and stay in the bath for about 1/2 hour. The iso-penenes in turpentine, the main beneficial ingredients, are also easily absorbed through the skin.
For interests sake, and to allay any fears, medical doctors commonly used and recommended internal teaspoon dosages of turpentine in the past.
Here are some examples of older turpentine usage and dosages:
The Physiomedical Dispensatory 1869 - Turpentine Usage
The US Dispensatory 1918 - Turpentine Properties
(Towson, Md. USA)
Thanks Bill for these references for historical medicinal use of turpentine.
Hello Bill from the Phillipines, You said in a reply that it was likely my hep-c that caused my peripheral neuropathy...I've been treating my peripheral neuropathy with everything on this site and more with no results...So the safe assumption is I'm going at it all wrong...I should be attacking the source which is the hep-c...Are we in agreement with this...Thank you much..
(San Fernando, Philippines)
Hi Denise...Generally, nueropathy problems are fairly commonplace with Hepatitis C patients. This is called Cryoglobulinemia and results from the immune system cryoglubulins "globbing" in the blood vessels and causing inflammation affecting the nerves.
Regarding your more recent post, it is unfortunate that you have had such a reaction to the turpentine from taking such small drop dosages. Turpentine also has mild diuretic action, which means that it expels water and minerals from the body. Normally this does not cause problems(from my own experience), but if your main electrolytes(calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium) are out of balance then cramping in the body will occur. Lack of magnesium and/or potassium in the body are favourites for causing cramp.
Turpentine is also a wide-action pathogen killer. When pathogens are killed in high numbers then poisons will be released from the destroyed pathogens that can also give added or increased symptoms which can be severe. This is called the Herx effect. Furthermore, if your liver is weak or insufficient and has difficulty clearing these poisons then this may also give other added symptoms.
I must also add that turpentine acts to expel xenobiotics -- it will remove any synthetic drug or poison which the body does not recognize. This would also put a strain on the liver. I have no idea whether you are taking synthetic ribovarin or interferon, but turpentine may well act to also expel them from the body. So, if you are also taking these drugs, then you should not be taking the turpentine.
Perhaps you should investigate Oscar's BHT Remedy or Ted's Lysine, Threonine and Vitamin C remedies for Hepatitis C. These options should not generally give you such severe problems.
Bill, you really got me confused now. I'm taking 2 prescription drugs while on my anti-candida protocol with the turpentine. Are you now saying that people on drugs/xenobiotics shouldn't be taking turpentine? Maybe I'm not full getting what you're saying.
Please clear this up for me. If this is the case, then no wonder my detox symptoms were going so bad on me. Maybe I'm thinking wrong though! Thanks!
I had a test for cryogobulins 2 months ago and everything was fine according to my PCP...He said I have no inflamation...I take 900 mgs magnesium malate a day and many other supplements..The brand name is Homco gum turpentine....I am currently taking a gram of Vit c an hour to flush out the turp. I take NO drugs at all. I read on the web that the herx effect is bogus...It was made up by dr'd to cover themselves when a person gets a reaction to a drug they prescribes...Google it and see...Also I am not a diabetic...I got hep-c from a car accident in 1969 and had a blood transfusion of one unit..Everything was fine until they discovered I had hep-c in 2003 and they talked me into a liver biopsy..I later found out that my enzymes were 35 and 41..Then after the biopsy my enzymes shot up to mid 300 range...and the trouble began......Someone told me "They woke up the virus."
(San Fernando, Philippines)
Hi Tony...Turpentine/Kerosene both act as a diuretic and they expel xenobiotics. They generally function to cleanse the intestines and purify the blood.
Contra-indications between natural nutrients and drugs are always a problem. But whereas natural remedies tend to treat the core reasons for disease, drugs for chronic diseases are generally always palliative -- they only ever treat the symptoms.
What I'm saying here is that although these medical drugs might make you feel better, they do not treat the core reasons for your problems -- especially for heart disease and depression. So, if you continue to use these drugs, then further down the timeline these conditions are bound to get worse(because drugs do not treat the core reason -- they do not cure) and you will have to buy more and more drugs that fit the business profit model of the drugs companies perfectly.
In terms of drugs for serious chronic diseases, since a cure is generally out of the picture, we are not really patients -- we are just consumers.
Thanks Bill for the explanation. I thought you were originally saying that turpentine wasn't supposed to be taken at all with drugs. I already understood how bad drugs are for the body & they don't provide a cure. My main concern was mixing the turpentine with drugs & thinking it would create a possible fatal reaction. Thanks & God Bless!
Has anyone heard of or tired a turpentine enema? I have not tried one. I am just very curious as I read about it in one of Bill's citations of Turpentine uses in the early part of the century. They used it for bad constipation.
Turpentine in the Ears
BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS
So I swabbed straight up turpentine, the fancy organic one in the little bottle, into my ears because they get itchy. They hurt soooo bad for about an hour. Like pressure like your ears are going to pop from a change in air pressure. Now a week or so later they are still itchy but it hurt so bad the first time I am afraid to do it again. It did clear my sinuses magnificently, though. It was almost worth it.
Anon, how about diluting it?
I've used pine needle essential oil in my ears, which is very similar to 100% pure gum turpentine and yes, it definitely "burned" for a while. I've also used straight peppermint essential oil in my ears and while it did have a "burn" to it, it was much less than the pine needle oil and definitely more tolerable! If you want to lessen the burn, jojoba oil may be worth adding to either essential oil.
Turpentine in the Nose
Better But With Side Effects
Turpentine in the Nose:
Use with caution and learn from my experience. I have used the turpentine in my sinus for sometime now. I slightly dilute it with water in the palm of my hand and standing up I snuff it into my sinus. It clears out any mucus and I believe it is even caring for the brain because evidently it penetrates the blood brain barrier; Therefore the biofilm melting property is quite health promoting.
Caution: I suspected Cytomegelo Virus (a herpes which can lead to Kaposi's Sarcoma ( it is considered incurable due to the biofilm coating)) I am interested in mechanizing a cure.
While lying down on my side I chose to snuff a single drop of the diamond G turpentine into my nostril. If it had not been so painful, it would have been comical. The turpentine entered my sinus but also the sinus above my eye.
Instantly; The mucus drainage was profound! Sneezing violent. Entire area around my eye was bright red as well as the eye. The deep cleansing produced sinus pain and some swelling of tissues. Copious water consumption was required to cope with the fluid transfer mechanism. (Pure water consumption in copious amounts is required in order to 'push out - replace' the contaminated fluids)
24 hours later, the left side of my head feels better than decades before now.
Will I do it again? ABSOLUTELY. I will DILUTE the turpentine, lay on the opposite side and smile as I visualize the destruction of all possible viruses. Probably in the future I will inhale the fumes from time to time. ME
Turpentine Health Benefits (earthclinic.com)
In the ear it is mixed in a carrier oil like olive
a cup of baking soda in water as on box label for alkalyzing as a detox of this pain going on might work, read inside the earth clinic for more info on topic
as far as pain you might try oscillococcinum for headaches or flu symptoms, does not interfere with other things
Or a topical of castor oil or activated charcoal or a combo mix poultice and heat to drive it into head or ear topically, like a rice pack heated in microwave. fill a sock half full of rice and tie off end, heat in microwave.... He could take 3 activated charcoal tabs or caps and lots of water to slow down that die off symptom and flush it out of his system.. could be other things set off by turpentine. I have never used it except it is in vicks rub.
Ginger works well for nausea and baths can reduce pain signals in the body, the water level is important and drink water when in water as it takes water out of body and wrinkles fingers
Blood is not always a bad thing when you used the turpentine you may have a detox effect of some blood . I would use some hydrogen peroxide on a q tip and then let it fizz and repeat, Then use some castor oil on a q tip and let the tip set there and the oil go around the area without excess but just from the q tip . Then I would go from inside the mouth to detox some more of this . I would do a 1/2 tsp of castor oil swish in mouth and swallow. Don't rinse out. Spit will form and spit that in toilet . Then I would do capsule opened of some charcoal in the mouth to draw out any toxins and spit that after letting it set for half hour, follow with more castor oil. The teeth roots on top affect sinus and sinus affects ear . This will drain some stuff off. Don't panic . Castor oil is safe, I use it daily in ears mouth on scalp and feet. A foot soak would also detox this stuff out ...Like Epsom salt or vinegar or foot detox pads like activated charcoal and castor oil on large bandage overnight, cover with a sock. He could take 2-3 activated charcoal capsules with lots of water at bedtime, sleep like a baby and detox at the same time.
It is also possible he had a large wax blob in his ear that got set off by the turpentine and I wouldn't do any extreme measures until the bleeding calms down then read more on ear wax ~~ castor oil and hydrogen peroxide for ear was removal.
Turpentine in the Nose
A doctor for NASA sent me a product. He said when they send astronauts into space they can't have them get sick. He said the germs that make people sick first incubate in the back of the throat where the nose and ears meet, where you can't reach gargling. His product was a small tincture, the instructions were to put drops in your nose so it will reach the place in the back of the throat. That was the best product. It cleared that space of mucus instantly. It wasn't for sale after I ran out I couldn't get any more.
After I started turpentine, I tried it in my nose. Now I know what the secret ingredient was that the product the NASA Dr used: turpentine, not even diluted. It works great.
I believe the nasa nasal emollient was this. http://www.ponaris.net/. I had a doctor give me a sample before and was reminded of it when I recently tried my first teaspoon of turpentine. It contains pine oil so maybe that's why it is so similar.
Turpentine Medicinal Uses
Pure distilled "spirits" of turpentine is basically the refined sap from specific pine tree varieties. It's history of use goes way back to Babylon. It was commonly referred to as 'terebinthe' or 'terebinthine'. It was available OTC as terpin hydrate however codeine was added latter & prescription required. It was used by American natives & African slaves as a inexpensive & accessible remedy. I would not advise using hardware store varieties as they are adulterated with petroleum distillitates & the "pure gum spirits" may be contaminated with the herbicide paraquat which is toxic.
There is a Australian town whose residents used turpentine & subsequently the 'governors' added chemical toxins to prevent ingestion. I am sure that Earth Clinic is under the FDA microscope so I caution against references to a certain brand(s) who make their living on making pure spirits 'the old fashioned way'. One maker will not answer health questions due to this scrutiny by FDA. Please refrain from such questions & thus protect this valuable source.
Toxicity: most anything is toxic in large doses, such as water. The half-life of 'turp' is 25 hours approximately, so a safe time lapse between each single dose is about 5-days totaling 5-6 single doses over 1-month. Start low at 12 drops & work up to about 40 drops, all taken with 1/2 to 1-tbsp sugar. After this period, a monthly single maintenance dose may be taken if/when necessary.
As we all know, there is no single remedy & one size doesn't fit all. This site is experimental & for the dissemination of freely sharing ideas. There are no 'cures' until an autopsy is performed. Health begins in the gut & the mind will keep us well as stress is dis-ease.
(Ten Mile, Tn.)
HI U ROBERT,,,,,,,,,, where do you get all your knowledge? Myself, I 've followed Dr Daniels for several years and she is the one who brought this to the world's attention a few years ago. Your advice is slightly contrary to her's. Where did you get your protocol?
The FDA got after her and she is now practicing in Panama. You make sense because 6 doctors were killed last year while working on a simple cure for early cancer.
I am the one who told folks where to buy their turpentine on this site. Should I not have done this?
You are a new boy on the block and coming on strong. I'll keep an eye on you.
EC: Nope, not a new boy on the block. Robert has been contributing to EC for years, off and on!
The internal use of turpentine is extremely dangerous, as indicated by the sole source associated with the article promoting its use. That source is a published study regarding an infant who was killed by the parents internal administration of turpentine. As evidenced in this source, turpentine is only safe when applied externally (though it may still cause irritation). Internal use has been linked to kidney damage and a multitude of other health problems and has resulted in death in multiple instances. This article is putting lives at risk by encouraging the internal use of a known poison that has substantial evidence regarding its risks.
Turpentine Side Effects
The first time I took the distilled pure gum spirits of Turpentine, I had a reaction in my heart. My heart started pounding hard and continued for the next day and a half. I also had palpitations, felt drunk and whoosh, I was walking very slow and mental fog was great. I only took 1/4 tsp. I think I forgot to take it with something sweet and did not take it with food. Does anyone have any info on how it can affect the heart? I have Lyme and many other vector born infections. They have caused me to have an aneurysm and high LDL.
I waited quite a while before trying turpentine again. I took it with Maple syrup the second time and it wasn't quite so hard on my heart. The first time I felt pain for a second in the area of the aneurysm so I thought maybe it was getting rid of plaque in the area and felt it was a good thing. But the last time I took the Turpentine (only 4 drops) I have had a pounding heart and having a hard time with activity. But I also have started other herbs so I can't be sure it's the turpentine but it must be because the very first time I took it it scared me with the pounding and palpitations and pain for a second.
Turpentine Side Effects
You are all fools!! Taking turpentine in any amount will end up killing you all! My God, really??? My nephew took it for a few days and it nearly cost him his life!!! I am a nurse, and if you take this crap you can be assured you will end up with kidney failure, if you don't die from a horrendous bleeding stomach ulcer first!!
EC: Perhaps, before insulting everyone who has successfully taken turpentine worldwide safely over the years, including some of Earth Clinic's top health contributors, you could instead provide important additional information such as what brand he took, how much he took in each dose, how he took it, and the state of his health before trying turpentine. That would be so much more helpful to all of us than name calling. Thank you.
I am a home visiting nurse and have talked to dozens of 90+ year olds over the years who remember getting turpentine 1-2 times a year as a child with a sugar cube. I have no hesitation (and have taken the Diamond brand) without problem.
Turpentine Side Effects
i have been taking turpentine for candida, leaky gut, and more. my body reacts differently to medication then most. I have been sick for 6 year and have been to doctor after doctor. no one could figure it out. I was on some pretty damaging medication. Every time I take turpentine I end up having major urinary tract infection symptoms. Do you know what could be causing that?
My guess is inflammation/blocked channels. Toxic overload. Turpentine is gonna attack all of these bad pathogens, yeast, parasites, etc. They've already boosted inflammation & excessive mucus in your body surrounding your organs, in your blood, blocking those channels. You gotta detox them first to get to the root cause to kill them off leading to preventative care. Its a long process that can be broken down & spread out over a 3 month period & then you continue on like a semi annual basis to keep up the healthy state. I struggled really bad with the detox, food elimination, and getting my water level up. Took me almost a year before being able to officially attack the source of the inflammation. Not a doctor, but hope this advice helps!
You need to flush all of your elimination pathways ... feces, skin, lungs, liver, /kidneys BEFORE taking Turpentine & It must be 100% pure gum spirits Turpentine. You flush before getting to the root cause if your illnesses ... (colon cleanse/3 bowel movements per day, skin detox/sauna helps or mineral bath or exercise to make yourself sweat profusely, herbal teas for liver/kidney flush, refrain from red meats/dairy/most grains/sugar while doing this ... can be a week, etc and finally you must be well hydrated ... drinking half your body weight in water Purified/Spring/Distilled/Ionized, etc you can diffuse water with some fruits or veggies to help the process with flushing the liver/kidneys also). You should start at a very low dosage like 3 drops on 3 sugar cubes or mixed with castor oil & build up from there. This would be week 2 or 3 depending on how well you commit to flush/washout. You may also need to incorporate a binder to assist with removing these inert toxins out of your body after using the turpentine (shilajit) & finally replace good bacteria in your gut ... pre/probiotics.
Turpentine Side Effects
Hi everyone, I would like to share my experience with turpentine. I've had severe Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for 15 1/2 years. Read about the turps recently and was excited to try it (I bought Diamond G Forest). I have been detoxing well for about 1 1/2 years now (using homeopathy, EAV and Quantum Indigo machine) and my die-off reactions are mostly gone when taking stuff, but the overall fatigue condition remains. I am pretty sure I have worms.
I took 1 teaspoon of turps with 1 Tablespoon of white sugar and was fine, no improvement or worsening. Then, 4 days later I was ready to take it again and a side-issue came up.
SIDE ISSUE: At the same time as the turps, I have been doing the Gubarev "Ropeworm Enema Protocol" for a couple of weeks, and both times I did the milk + salt enema a SERIOUS leg infection called "Erysipelas" resulted, caused by streptococcus bacteria. I have been diagnosed as having a major streptococcus gut bacteria overgrowth by my Doctor 4yrs ago. I used my natural homeopathic & herbal remedies to cure the first leg infection but didn't know the milk/salt enema had caused it. Then the next time I did it 2 wks later it happened again the same, so now I know the milk sugar fed the bad strep bacteria in the bowel and caused the leg infection. I was doing my natural remedies the same as before but thought it wasn't working (it actually WAS working but just takes a couple of days to go), so was starting to get panicky as I did NOT want to take antibiotics.
I decided to take the turps again to try to kill the bug in my leg, but because I was panicky and it was 4.30am, I thought I would take more than a teaspoon as that dose hadn't helped last time. I went off Jennifer Daniels dosing on herself of "7 sugar cubes caused a slight twitch", so I thought I'd do the 6 sugar cube equivalent of 2 tsp turps to 2 Tbsp sugar, as this hadn't caused any problem for her I assumed I would be fine too. I Was Wrong!!!
I started to get some of the most terrible scary symptoms I have ever experienced: delerium of the most extreme drunkenness, ataxia, slipping in and out of consciousness, racing high-speed thoughts like on drugs, sleeplessness. Then, 5hrs later, I vomited up my stomach contents, turps, and a ~15cm tapeworm. The previous drunk/drug symptoms then went away, but I kept feeling nauseous and vomiting for the next 3hrs. I still felt really sick and wasn't getting better from the vomiting and couldn't drink water, so I went to hospital in case I needed my stomach pumped.
Before I left, I started to feel muscle contractions of my lips & face. Then, on the way there over a period of 10 mins I became COMPLETELY PARALYSED and felt so totally ill. I thought I was going to die! I started slurring then my mouth paralysed as well so I couldn't talk. I then spewed up a last little bit, and within 5 mins could actually move my legs and walk into the hospital and move my hands a bit.
From then on I felt pretty much fine, but had a drip for 2hrs to rehyrate. That evening I did a cleansing water enema (as part of the ropeworm enema protocol) - this must have got the last of the toxins out. I had a good nights sleep of 8hrs and woke up automatically at 7am and felt great! I felt great all morning then at 2pm the old fatigue kicked in again. (This is coming from someone who normally needs 12-14hrs sleep, can't wake up in the morning and feels fatigued terribly.)
I thought the turps had caused my symptoms, but now I think it must be a die-off reaction of all the things living inside me making me ill. I will take the turps again soon but start on a tiny amount. (I know that the leg infection didn't cause the symptoms as I'd had it 2 wks before with no symptoms except the localized infection on leg area.)
Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to get across to everyone what can happen if you take too much at once. I am back to my normal condition now (fatigued) and successfully eliminated the leg infection. Good luck to everyone trying it and don't be put off by my story, rather use it as a lesson to be careful on dosing and that what is safe for one person is not necessarily safe for you, so I would start drop-wise and work up slowly.
What happened to the worms? If you had one worm you have hundreds.
If you read the possible side effects of medicines prescribed today, many include the possibility of contracting forms of cancer and other possible negative outcomes, including cardiac arrest. Humira Is an example.
Parasites and their eliminations can cause paralyzes, delirium, heart rhythm issues, and many other unpleasant symptoms. Some parasites that are killed off in large volumes can cause extreme side effects such as hemorrhaging that causes death.
Please know that all treatments should be carefully researched, even prescribed medicines inserts should be read and possible side effects and caution warnings heeded.
It is my hope that pure turpentine will remain available so individuals will be able to care for their health and well-being.
Turpentine Side Effects
I need some help. Its my 3rd day trying turpentine *(diamond brand) and sugar for candida / everything that is blocking my health. I cannot tolerate the turpentine ingestion. After ingestion is ok - it's the actual ingesting part that I can't handle (hurts my throat and gagging / can't breathe because of the taste).
I have empty capsules and was hoping to put some brown coconut sugar along with turpentine in them and take it that way. I can add castor oil - but it will have to be in a capsule with the turpentine.
Will this be ok to try to ingest it this way? Is it important that it is white granulated sugar? or can it just be any kind of sugar (I prefer coconut organic raw if I have to eat straight sugar).
I have tried mixing the turp 1:2 with real maple syrup and I find it almost addictive it tastes so good! It doesn't really mix but with vigorous stirring it will form a suspension. There have also been studies showing that maple syrup extract added to pharmaceutical antibiotics enhances their effectiveness so maybe this has other benefits than just flavor when combined with the turpentine.
Add a little everclear or vodka as the addition of the spirits will allow emulsifection of your slurry ..
The more likely alcoholic drink to carry Turpentine would be Gin. During a mission to the Athabascan Indians in Alaska, one of the major signs of my mission success was gaining Trust among the locals. One man's confidence was showing me his Fir-Tree Gin-still as well as his finished product in the Mason Jars.
I'm using coconut sugar and I'm not having nasty after taste either.
(Syracuse, New York)
I believe the reason white refined sugar is used is to prevent adding nutrients from other healthier types of sugar which feed the protozoans. We dont want to feed them, we want to slay them :-)