Natural Remedies for Degenerative Disc Disease (DDD)

| Modified on May 10, 2024
Degenerative Disc Disease Natural Remedies

Degenerative Disc Disease is a type of arthritis that occurs in the spine. Fortunately, natural remedies for degenerative disc disease can often help reduce pain and improve function.

Holistic treatment for for degenerative disc disease can include herbs and supplements for pain relief, dietary changes to decrease inflammation, and exercise to better support the spine and increase bone density.

What Causes Degenerative Disc Disease?

Certainly age takes its toll on the body, including those important discs in the spine. As the discs lose mass, elasticity, and fluidity, the cushion they provide between the bones is less.  This can also mean that nerves are less cushioned, causing nerve-related disorders like sciatica and carpal tunnel syndrome.

Injuries can cause damage to the discs as well. Repetitive motion that affects the discs can also result in deterioration of the disc(s) due to the repeated stress.

If you are overweight the discs in the spine and, in fact, all of your joints will have to work harder to support the body, causing degeneration over time from the extra stress on the joints.

A sedentary lifestyle can hasten degenerative disc disease. Loss of muscle strength and stamina puts more stress on the discs.

Inadequate nutrition will have a negative effect on the health of your discs. Lacking the proper nutrients to support and repair the discs will mean the supporting and repairing is left undone!

Some medications have side effects that can cause degeneration in the body, including the skeletal system, which includes the discs.

Symptoms of Degenerative Disc Disease

While it is possible to have degenerative disc disease and not have pain, pain of some sort is the most common symptom of this disease. Pain is common in the back and neck, where the discs are degrading. If nerves are affected by the degeneration, nerve diseases can result, causing additional pain.

It is common for pain to be worse when the spine is in the same position for a long time, as when you are sitting in the car for a long drive, or if you happen to sleep in the same position all night long. Extra strain on the spine from bending or lifting can also bring more pain. Nerve pain in the arms, legs, feet and hands can accompany degenerative disc disease. It can become difficult to find any position at all the brings more than temporary relief.

Typical treatments for degenerative disc disease include prescription or over the counter pain medication, physical therapy and sometimes surgery.

If you are suffering from degenerative disc disease your first priority will be to relieve pain. Next you will want to make lifestyle changes to prevent further damage to your discs and even reverse some of the damage.

Natural Cures for Degenerative Disc Disease

1. Turmeric

Turmeric is an excellent natural anti-inflammatory. 2-4 capsules are taken with a glass of water 1-3 times a day. The water is important to avoid the risk of constipation.

2. Lemon Juice with Baking Soda

1 tablespoon of fresh lemon juice with ¼ teaspoon of baking soda provides vitamins and nutrients to your body and also helps to alkalize the body. When your body is acidic, you pain is often more intense. This remedy combo is one of Ted from Bangkok's famous alkalizing protocols dating back to 2004.

3. Mullein Root

Mullein root tincture can be taken internally (1 dropperful in water on an empty stomach 2-3 times a day) or it can be massaged topically into the skin along the spine.

Mullein root helps to increase the synovial fluid in joints which provides some extra cushion in the joints.

4. Healing Baths

Warm baths with either Epsom salt (1 cup) or baking soda/citric acid (1/4 cup baking soda and 1/8 cup citric acid) can bring pain relieve and even help to begin the healing process.

Epsom salt provides magnesium and the baking soda/citric acid bath helps to oxygenate the body as it absorbs the CO2 bubbles. Ozone therapy, typically by injection, has been found to reduce pain from degenerative disc disease.1 The oxygenating bath may be an easy home solution if ozone therapy is not an option.

Dietary Changes to Reverse Degenerative Disc Disease

Your body needs good nutrition to work well. If you put bad gasoline in your car, it will not run well. It may not run at all. If you do not give your body what it needs to do its work, it will not work well for you.

Eat a Variety of Whole Foods

Include more fruits and vegetables in your diet. Use some good fat every day (coconut oil, olive oil, butter) and limit the amount of fried foods or hydrogenated oils you use.

Use whole grains and lean meats.

Use moderation. Look at your diet – the foods you consume and the liquids you drink. Is there anything you use excessively? Coffee? Alcohol? Potato Chips? Cookies? Fast food? Any of these excesses can reduce the amount of nutritious foods and beverages that you consume for your body to use for healing.

Hydrate Your Body

Keep your body well hydrated. Coffee, soda, and alcoholic beverages are largely empty calories and should be used quite moderately. Instead, drink herbal tea and pure water.

Eat Bone Broth

Affluent cultures often do not make use of a simple but very nourishing staple of times past - bone broth.

This broth is wonderful for joint health and many other body systems (including your gut!) It provides an excellent and easily absorbable form a variety of nutrients which support the skeletal system including collagen, silicon, calcium, magnesium, chondroitin sulfate, proline, glucosamine and hyaluronic acid. You may notice that this list contains a number of things that are sold individually as supplements for joint health. Bone broth gives you the supplements in an easily absorbable form. Does it not make sense the bones and joints of animal bones would contain the same building blocks as human bones?

It need not be intimidating.

After you have removed the meat from bones (raw or leftover from dinner), put the bones (chicken, beef, fish) into a crock pot. Cover with boiling water. Add 1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar. Cook on low for 24 hours. Strain out the bones. Add sea salt (about 1 teaspoon per quart) and other spices you like. Freeze the resulting broth in containers appropriate for your needs. Try to consume 1-2 cups each day.

You can use this as a base for soups, a hot beverage, or instead of water when you cook rice.


1. Vitamin D

Vitamin D is needed for bone health. Make an effort to get some sunshine each day. On rainy days or during the winter, consider a vitamin D supplement. But remember, more is not better with fat-soluble vitamins like vitamin D.

2. Vitamin C

Did you know that scurvy (vitamin C deficiency) can cause joint pain? Sometimes joint disorders are actually caused by scurvy. Adding a vitamin C supplement to your diet can relieve this issue.

3. Hyaluronic Acid

In the past Hyaluronic acid has been injected at the site of arthritic joints to reduce pain. Medical studies and personal experience are now showing that oral doses of hyaluronic acid can also reduce pain. In one study, a 200 mg daily dose of hyaluronic acid, combined with strengthening exercises were found to significantly reduce pain in knee arthritis.2

Appropriate Exercise

Exercise will increase blood flow to the discs. Blood brings the nutrients needed for healing.  Exercise strengthens muscles in the back to allow the muscles to do more of the work of supporting the spine. This will require less work from the compromised discs. A physical therapist should be able to help you find exercises appropriate for your age, health, and current situation.

Do you have a natural remedy for degenerative disc disease? Please send us some feedback!

Continue reading for feedback from Earth Clinic readers who experimented with various remedies and supplements, including Ted's famous Hyaluronic Acid and Sea Salt remedy for DDD.

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Turmeric Benefits: Health Uses & Anti-Inflammatory Properties

Avoid Hidden MSG

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Posted by KT (Usa) on 08/31/2017

I was diagnosed with arthritis, sciatica and degenerative disc disease. I've had multiple head & neck injuries. Just the flowing agents in salt/spices cause me joint pain. I have to stay away from hidden sources of MSG. Capsules alone are a hidden source.

I use RealSalt that doesn't have anything else in it. I do not get the flavored varieties. It is available in health food stores and on Amazon.

I stumbled on this post and remembered I had copied the constituents of Himalayan salt for a friend:

Here are the 84 constituents of Himalayan Salt:

hydrogen, lithium, beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, fluoride, sodium, magnesium, aluminum, silicon, phosphorus, sulfur, chloride, calcium, scandium, titanium, vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, nickel, copper, zinc, gallium, germanium, arsenic, selenium, bromine, rubidium, strontium, yttrium, zirconium, niobium, molybdenum, ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, silver, cadmium, indium, tin, antimony, tellurium, iodine, cesium, barium, lanthanum, cerium, praseodymium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium, hafnium, tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, osmium, iridium, platinum, gold, mercury, thallium, lead, bismuth, polonium, astatine, francium, radium, actinium, thorium, protactinium, uranium, neptunium, and plutonium


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(West Australia)


I'm confused, are you saying Himalayan Salt is a good, or bad thing?

(Cabarlah, Qld.)

Australians can get natural rock salt, evaporated sea salt, by Saxa.

Cell Salts

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Posted by Kennywally (Midwest) on 06/07/2016 46 posts

RE: Degenerative Disc Disease, I have different take on this. If linus pauling was correct, that "all chronic illnesses can be traced back to mineral deficiency", Then I'd reco cell salts/minerals, to anyone for almost anything, seriously. I'm not saying there are no other options, just that I believe, the root cause is lack of minerals. I see it, but I'm not in a position to prove it, and perhaps that may be for the best, otherwise it would be a huge shock to medicine. Anyways, not sure if a complete recovery can happen after so much damage occurs from lack of minerals. The only way to check it is to take the cell salts, and Bioplasma is a daily dose of 12 needed cell salts, so, if injured, take extra, up to 1 dose, 8x a day to build up reserves. I've been taking 2-4x the daily dose for over a year, I feel great except for this extra weight from the candida.

Also, Queen Victoria, Elizabeth, the Queen mother, and John D rockefeller lived into their 90's with only a homeopathic physician....there has to be something to it.

Chicken Sternum Cartilage

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Posted by Tom (Livingston, Tx) on 03/17/2022 64 posts

For Degenerative Disc Disease or for back/skeletal injuries or arthritis, I would try a chicken sternum (CS) cartilage capsule per day for life or at least for 5 years. I am currently in my upper 60's.

Chicken sternum has type 2 collagen in it which rebuilds cartilage.

Something tore next to my spine in the mid-2000s as I lifted a 7-gallon water jug. My back felt unhinged from then on.

My knees and thumbs were also loose in their sockets at the time, so I started taking a chicken sternum capsule mornings, and it rebuilt and filled in the cartilage in my knees/thumbs in say 4 months. The joints became tight again and subtle but noticeable improvement started within a few days.

However, my unhinged back healed some years later. It could have been 2 years or longer because I didn't notice when my back actually healed, but only that it has healed from the unhinged feeling.

I still take a capsule of chicken sternum mornings, although CS has never has healed my injured shoulder, but the shoulder is not painful.

I reason that the cartilage sternum of a bird acts as a shock absorber for the bird's flapping wings. So the bird's cartilage sternum needs to repair and rebuild rapidly each day. So that is why I think CS rebuilds hips, knees and other joints so well, except maybe shoulders.

I knew a lady in 2016 who canceled her hip replacement (confirmed by x-ray), and her friend canceled his painful knee's replacement after they both took CS capsules for 4 months. He was walking around as normal as if his knee had never hurt, whereas before he was not able to stand in line at the buffet without sitting down.

Instead of the current BioCell brand of CS extract, Swanson carried the kollaGen brand of chicken sternum capsules back then, kollaGen which is now carried by PipingRock: cartilage&qid=1647534436

I wanted to try the newer BioCell brand of CS extract, so that is what I take now.

The Swanson CS I most recently bought for about $17.50 per bottle by using RetailMeNot. Or the current 25% off sale at Swanson would yield the same $17.24 price, which is normally $22.99 per bottle.

I figure that it only makes sense to take chicken sternum capsules to feed my skeletal system and joints. The bottles suggest more capsules per day or per dose, although just one capsule per day of CS was always enough to produce results for me.

Replied by michael

Hi Tom, I have come across your comment on Cartilage repair. I am due surgery on my Hip in about two months a tear in my Hip Cartilage. I am not looking forward to this surgery and the Doctor has explained to me without surgery my Hip will only get worse and there is no cure. Like yourself I am in my late 60s and do you think I should try the chicken Sternum and where would you recommend I could buy it. Thanks Tom looking forward to your answer


Cartilage of any type will help, but it won't be a fast thing. You can make it yourself, simply get 'chickenpaws' (Feet), available at the meat counter, put them in a crock pot on low and simmer away. Periodically, remove a cup or so of this broth and drink it. (I put mine on the grill first, it makes the broth taste better. And you can season it a bit with herbs and spices). Chicken feet have huge amounts of gelatin, but you can also buy gelatin that you mix into your drink (Great Lakes in the green can won't get thick). But, once again, this is an ongoing process that you will need to continue forever. I use any bones I have available and pretty much keep a crock pot going. I grilled ribs yesterday, so those bones are in the pot. Today's Christmas ham bones will also go in the pot. The only difference is that I will drain off some of the broth into a jar, let it cool, and pick off the hardened fat. Then I reheat and drink.

Healing Baths

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Posted by Jeana (La, US) on 07/11/2014

I have several issues with my body. I am 30 years old and have: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome Type III (connective tissue disorder), Degenerative Disc Disease, Fibromyalgia, TMJ Syndrome, Early Onset Osteopenia, Arthritis, Bulging disc in my cervical spine, Costochondritis (comes and goes). Over the past week I have had a bout with restless leg syndrome and now my lower back is in horrible pain! Something that helped (a lot!! ) - Ginger root tea with a pinch of cayenne pepper and honey to taste (raw local honey.. and I was out of lemon).

While drinking tea, I took a hot bath with: left over ginger pieces from tea, a handful of dried comfrey leaves, some apple cider vinegar (with the mother), coconut oil (organic, cold pressed), oils of lavender, patchouli, frankincense, myrrh, turmeric. I also added baking soda and I was out of epsom salt, so I added regular sea salt. My tub was a mess w/ all the dried leaves, but it was worth it! It knocked the pain right out, and I hadn't been w/o a day of crying pain in over a week. I am thankful for all the tips a found here. I don't know what worked, but something did, or a combination. Thought I'd share in case anyone else is in horrible pain too. I have very minimal pain today, I can walk upright instead of bent over, and I got a consecutive 6 hours of sleep (instead of waking every 1/2 hour all night). Hope this helps someone else too. x, J

Replied by Mr. Ree

Congratulations Jenna, The next time you do this treatment, just use the sea salt...About 2 cups in the bath water and let us know if it works the same...

Replied by Liz
(Boston, Ma)

For future baths, if you pick up some cheesecloth at the grocery store, you can put your leaves in it, tie it with string and toss it in the tub. All the benefits with no mess. :)

High Dose Vitamin C

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Posted by Jim T. (Oregon) on 09/29/2018

I have had DDD for ten years, with a disc operation three years ago. I take 15,000 mg Vitamin C daily for pain and it helps a lot, vitamin C replaces collagen and relieves pain above 10,000 mg. I have taken as high as 20,000 mg a day. There is all kinds of research on the subject if you are interested but not from our present medical community. There never has been a problem with high dose C for any problem if you just do the research. It takes time for it to take effect but it really works.

Replied by cfitz

Thanks, Jim!

Folks need to know to in order to avoid GI problems like diarrhea, heartburn, stomach cramps, slowly increase dosage to individual tolerance.

Replied by Tony
(Visalia, CA)

Thank you for the information regarding Vit C. Can you forward some of your findings and research regarding Vitamin C? Very interested in your findings. Thank you

Hyaluronic Acid

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Posted by Dave (St Petersburg, FL) on 07/14/2023

I had a sensitive back that would go out several times a year. It was so bad that doing any physical work like bending quickly became impossible. Sometimes I was in so much pain I couldn't get out of bed without help. This lasted about 20 years; and probably started earlier at a low level.

Sometime in early March 2023 I started seeing a chiropractor again -- I've been seeing chiropractors on and off since about 1994. One spot on my back was particularly sensitive. The chiropractor thought it might be a slipped disk, and mentioned that there wasn't much I could do about that. I always double and triple check everything doctors tell me (I don't trust MDs). So I did a search for this too and found a link to EarthClinic's entries on Hyaluronic Acid (HA).

I started taking Ted's HA protocol. Bought 25g HA powder from PureBulk(dot)com, got several small mason jars (1 US Pint, about 470 ml size), and distilled water (currently I use spring water). I converted the grams HA to volume, which comes to a slightly heaping and loosely packed 1/8 teaspoon-USA. I put 1/8 tspn HA in a jar and fill with water, no mixing, no other ingredients, no salt needed, and screw the lid on. Place in refrigerator overnight. HA will completely dissolve.

I drink about half a jar each day, some in the morning and some in the evening. I started this the last week of March 2023. Within one month, I've seen dramatic results. My back feels generally pain feel and much stronger. I'm able to reach and stretch, and do things that in the past would've resulted in a "zing" with a week of sensitive back and slow recovery.

I'm still taking things carefully, just in case. But I think HA is the magic juice. It's the stuff my body needed to repair and rebuild.

Replied by Prioris

I had chiropractor tell me my herniated disc could not be cured about 15 years ago. I said F that and searched many years until I hear people were curing their back problems on earth clinic with injectable form of hyaluronic acid.

I came across a product manufactured by Biocell. It is a highly absorbed form of HA which also contains a couple other ingredients. I bought the HA brand by Doctors Best.

I found that it not only cured herniated or bulging discs but also regenerates the gums in mouth. It takes 6 weeks to heal at most but removes pain within 4 weeks. It should help joints too.


That's fantastic! What dosage did you take? How many, how often? Thanks!

Replied by Dave
(St Petersburg, Florida)

Update: My back feels great. I'm still a little out of alignment, but that is from an old auto accident. ** No Pain **. My lower back no longer feels like it's stuck with a hundred electrified pins waiting to detonate.

A secondary benefit is that my clicking jaw (TMJ?) which I first noticed when I was about 9 or 10 years old, has noticeably improved. My jaw usually felt like the left side hinge was out of alignment. So when I would open my mouth wide I would have to move my jaw to unlock it, like a hinge clicking from one pin position to another pin position. Since taking HA that has significantly improved to a little click and stretch. I think in another month or two my jaw will be completely healed. (And no thanks to all the dentists, chiropractors, and other doctors who noted I had TMJ but offered no help! )

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Here are the directions for the two part DDD regimen that Phyllis is having success with :


Hydrotherapy, Chinese Herbal Balm

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Posted by Rob (Kentucky) on 05/11/2023

How I Cured my G-Friend of Degenerative Back Disc Disease in 3 Days

First her medical background. 36 year ago female, started suffering from back problems after a bad car accident when she was 15 yrs old. Has received numerous epidural steroid injections along with pain pills with no relief. Chiropractic adjustments, etc... She had just given up and lived with the pain.

Fast forward to 5 years ago. I had a theory about how to relieve the pain and the swelling of the bulging disc without surgery after studying Traditional Chinese Medicine and meeting a chinese girl from Macau China, by the name “Emy”. Tallest chinese girl I ever seen! To see if my theory would work, I needed a volunteer that suffered from this illness. My now GF agreed to be a guinea pig.

The Protocol

The first half of the treatment involved heat hydrotherapy. I studied George Washington Carver and how he setup a therapy clinic to treat patients suffering from arthritis. Even President Franklin Roosevelt, who suffered from poliomyelitis, visited these clinics for hydrotherapy in Georgia, USA back in the 1920-40's.

The second half of the treatment involved applying a special balm/oil from a chinese recipe that Emy gave me. She was telling me that this formula “Cold-Ex is what she called it” will push stagnanted fluid built-up in the body tissue or organ's, back into the bodies lymphatic system to be eliminated as waste thus eliminating the swelling.

I have looked for this formula in other chinese medicine and have not found anything close. I'm assuming it was a family recipe. Nothing mass produced commercially. If you go to Hong Kong, you will see a lot of store owner displaying their family's own medical formulas in bottles and salves. Like the Woo family this and plum dragon that… some of the formulas go back thousands of years.

Now, that was a bold statement, so I made the balm/oil according to the recipe she gave me. All I can say is that this stuff is NUCLEAR! I tested it on a friend who had fluid on the knee and was scheduled to have it drain by the doctor next week. I was curious to see if want Emy told me was true, so I asked my friend if she would try this treatment first. She agreed and applied the balm to her knee right then and there. She applied it again before bed. The next day she called me in a hysterical fit! Telling me her knee was normal. Not swollen, didn't hurt. Said she peed like a race horse that night. I told her to send me a picture of her knee using her cell phone. She was right. It looked completely normal next to her other knee. Hum…

Now, how I cured my GF DDD….

I have a jacuzzi tub so there was the hydrotherapy. I put my GF into it with the water as HOT AS SHE COULD STAND IT. I added epsom salt for magnesium to loosen up her muscles and added tea tree and eucalyptus also. I boiled her like a potato for 30 minutes.

Next, I got her out of the jacuzzi and while she was still hot (must be done while the patient is hot from the hydrotherapy) I worked from the base of her skull to her hips with the balm/oil. She proceeded to get dressed and we went out on the patio. She said she was sooo cold form the balm that her teeth were chattering. Said she felt like she was in a beer cooler but it was 85 degrees outside on the patio. The cold lasted for about one hour. We repeated the treatment for the next two days for a total of 3 treatments (must be done back-to-back for 3 days).

That was 5 years ago. She has not had any problems with her back. She can even wear 7 inch platform heels.. Woo-Hoo! Together with improving her diet, eating health, taking vitamins and minerals. Alot of her underlying health conditions have mostly disappeared.

Replied by Anna
(Brady, Tx)
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What is the recipe for the Cold Ex balm? I also have a degenerative spine, arthritis in the neck, almost daily migraines and am in remission from breast cancer. Also white brain matter disease. I am constantly in pain.


@ Anna – The recipe is too complicated for the average novice. You must have a background knowledge of biochemistry and formula ratios. Plus, I don't think Emy wanted me to give it out publicly. I make a few bottles on a regular basis so you can text me if you want one to try.

EC: Anna should request the number through an email to EC (staff(at) if she would like Rob's number, as we don't allow phone numbers to be posted on EC to protect people.


Rob, can you please share the recipe for the balm for those who are not situated in the US as it would be difficult for them to get the bottles from you. I know someone with the knowledge of Biochemistry so I'd be able to work it out. I am in constant pain and your knowledge can help me to alleviate my pain, your help would be really appreciated.

Replied by Mark

Hi, what were the Chinese herbs used in your formula?

Replied by Rose
(Bklyn ny)

What is the formula for the oil he used

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Hi Rose,

In case you don't get the answer you are seeking, here is a very simple two part remedy using two common supplements that has gotten very good results in EC members who have tried it for degenerative disc disease (DDD):


Janet's Remedies

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Posted by Janet (In) on 01/26/2017

Amber. Our experience with bulging discs was horrible.

Ken could not work we went to several specialists.

Here is how we cured it.

First 1/2 tsp of baking soda reacted with apple cider vinegar add 1/2 glass of water and drink 1/2 hour after meals 2x a day 5 days out of seven. You can substitute 1 whole squeezed lime for acv. But Apple Cider Vinegar really helps pain but we alternate both. This improves digestion and circulation which his meds have most likely disrupted.

Hyaluronic acid we by in powder (expensive) or capsules from vitaminsbecause online. The are easiest to use and reliably clean and affordable.

10 capsules in a blender we use oster..8 to 10 oz of spring water 1/4 tsp of sea salt. Blend 10 or 15 seconds oster fits mason or ball jars then you just cap and store in frig. Apply to spine. It spoils after about a week and then remake. You can take 2 tbsp in water or Take 3 caps 3 or 4 x a day. This hydrates the spine and improves bone health

Remove all fluoride from his life.

Easiest way for men 1/4 tsp 1/8 tsp women of 20 mule team borax in 1 liter of water. To be used through the day in drinks like tea etc. I use mine in coffee making as it tastes icky unless ice cold. Adding lemon to water is another. 4 days out of 7. Displacing fluoride in bones is critical to healing. Many pain meds and antibiotics have fluoride in them so most likely he has much in his system.

Remove chlorine from environment and drinking water. In tub use fish tank dechlorinator. I buy sea chem 1 cap for 50 gallons. I buy sodium thiosulfate crystals from photographers supply on amazon or ebay if he showers. He takes one before showering. It also improves sleep. It also helps with overall pain management. 1 crystal a day removes chlorine.

If he can soak in tub is best but this can also be used with towels soaked and placed on back. 1/2 the tub recipe in bucket. 20minutes soak or application. Recipe...2 cups epsom salts for magnesium through skin 1 cup borax to displace more fluoride and add non acidic boron through skin 1 cap fish tank dechlorinator 1 cup hydrogen peroxide to oxygenate blood which improve healing.

Topical treatment. Buy magnesium flakes for spas sold at some health food stores or online. Put 60 % flakes in clean jar add 40 % mineral water. Let sit an hour shake you now have mag oil. Apply to spine this will sting some people so I put castor oil on first and then mag oil. The reason it stings is body is so low on mag this goes away after levels are up. Buy dmso online or farm co op. Back must be clean before starting this as dmso carries everything in. Add this to spine this will drive the mag oil through skin directly to spine. Some people smell of garlic after using dmso. Then this becomes an evening remedy. But we have not had a problem as everyone is different.

Tumeric drinks or pills help pain.


5 drops of mag oil in water 2x a day. This is relieving to many on pain meds as it helps constipation. But if he is a more runny stool person then magnesium malate which provides more malic acid to further pain relief.

Sodium ascorbate powder online or vitamin shoppe is vitamin c reacted with baking soda for optimal absorption. I add 1/2 tsp to each Apple Cider Vinegar or lime drink.

These things will get pain under control. To then deal with getting off meds etc.

Ken was in crazy pain and his meds hardly helped. But he had to have something. Within 3 days he was able to slowly wean off them. His whole health picture changed. Everyone is different.

The thing that really helped that and overall health was niacinamide. This is a godsend to relieve every aspect of health Ken took 1000mg. Several x a day through this as it helps digestion circulation depression anger impatience infection weaning off meds it only lasts in body 24 hours is a water soluable vitamin.

B comlex the only one on the market that has all the optimal and correct bs is swansons high dose activated b. 3x a week. Second choice is b-right. But I invest in the swansons for its overall health impact. It is energy and healing.

Selenium yeast 200mcg a day

Vitamin d3 in coconut oil from Solaray. 10,000 iu a day.

K2 from natto 200mg a day. This helps calcium go into the bone where it belongs and out of circulation.

Ideally I listed the things in order of importance. But we were not this organized to start. But you do what you can. With what you have to further his health and pain management.

Ken now works 12 hours a day 7 days a week as an industrial electrician climbing in and out of robots. Up and down ladders. He is healthy and pain free. We keep up with it to keep him in good working order. Ken is 60 years old.

Here is Ted from bangkoks chapter on spine pain.

He has further information and the whys and hows. I would also look at his spinal virus chapter as we used this also.

Replied by Whisperingsage
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There are many more bone and joint nutrients and as long as I keep researching, the list gets bigger. Calcium 1500 mg, magnesium 400-800 mg, phosphorus 300 mg, boron 2 mg, copper 2 mg, zinc 15-50 mg, (copper and zinc work as a team, and calcium/magnesium do too, but really, in this list there are an amazing number of team members, ), vitamin D 10,000 IU (look up Dr Sarfraz Zaidi's book the Power of Vitamin D- his practice is in Ventura, plenty of sun, he began to routinely test blood levels of D, only ONE of his patients had optimal levels - she was a lifeguard, in the sun 5 hours a day, 5 days a week in a swimsuit.- 15 mins on the arms a day is NOT going to cut it, but taking his case studies as a whole, most patients averaged out to need about 10,000 iu of oral D daily to have optimal blood levels.), vitamin K2 (5000 mcg of MK4 or 200 mcg of MK7 per like 1000 iu of vitamin D- another team), lysine, and now gelatin and collagen, don't forget collagen type II.

Replied by Carolinablueskies55

Janet, thanks for sharing your back pain method. Did you use all the supplents mentioned everyday & do you still use them everyday and do you know whether his disc regenerated after using your wonderful supplements method? Sorry for so many questions, but I want to try this on my hubby who started suffering with lower back pain about 4 months ago & it has gotten so bad that he has taken a week off to just let his back & legs rest. On his job, for the past 5 yrs he operates a tow motor (hope I spelled that correctly) & sets a lot during the day on a hard seat. He has turned sixty & desire to work a little longer, if his back will allow him to. What diet change did you make if any? I truely believe the right foods makes all the difference in healing your body. Oh, the magnesium oil that you said you put 5 drops of in water, is that the same Magnesium oil that you buy to rub on your skin?

Thanks so much for your time!

Replied by Janet


Yes, that is my basic remedy. Still.

Highlighting the pain management, the most effective pain relief component is fluoride removal. 1/4 tsp of borax, for men, in 1 liter of water, 4 days out of 7. Even if your water is clean. Manufacturers and stores are not.

Mag oil is the same. Topical or internal. You can supplement capsules, not pills. Mag malate, for runny stool types, citrate for constipated types. But we used the oil in water at the beginning.

Food, this change was over time but we adhere to it. Life changing changes.


  • Aspartame
  • MSG
  • GMOs
  • Gluten
  • Fluoride
  • Chlorine, acts as chlorine steam in shower and bath. Protecting lungs and heart by elimination. See Teds information. Sodium thiosulphate.
  • Titanium dioxide, a common additive, whitener in supplements, a nano particle, it can undo any benefit you might see from a nutrient.
  • Coated cooking pans
  • Aluminum, another undoer, deadly to brains
  • Plastics
  • Table salt, use sea salt for its outstanding amount of trace minerals, to enrich your efforts
  • Vegetable oils, use butter or coconut oil instead.

The b complex I mentioned, or dessicated liver capsules. High in b vitamins, loaded with Amino's and enzymes, enhanced digestion.

At 60 we use both of teds alkalizing drinks 2 x a day. 1/2 hour after food, 5 days out of 7. The 1 whole lime, or 2 tbsp apple cider vinegar, reacted in a glass with 1/2 tsp baking soda. Let fizz. Add 1/2 glass of water and drink. Alternating the 2.

If it is in the small of his back, Ted has mentioned that it can be mycoplasma or a viral type problem. Then we use Teds lysine remedy. I had to simplify making this as we are a big family, making each separately was impossible. This is a virus killer. So is Teds h2o2 and baking soda remedy. 1 capful of food grade h2o2 in a glass of spring water, add 1/2 tsp baking soda and sip it. Either one.

This is the one we used in the beginning though.

3 spring water bottles, pour off 1/3 into a large measuring cup. Then pour another inch into the drain. In measuring cup. Add 1200 mg l lysine, 3000 mg of l threonine, 10 to 12 drops of methylene blue. 3000 mg sodium ascorbate, vitamin c. Whisk until dissolved. Pour back into bottles. Mark each with 4 equal lines, store in frig.

Take 1 marked dose 1x an hour for 4 hours in am. We have and 3rd shift schedule. So we accommodate the timing as best we can.

Methylene blue, from aquarium suppliers. It comes as a powder in a bottle. This stains, work on a glass plate. Vitamin c takes the stain awayaway, if spilled. Fill original bottle with distilled water carefully to first rim. Cap and shake. In a glass dropper bottle, almost fill with distilled water, using dropper add 2 droppers of m.b. cap and shake. Cap original bottle, save for refills. Leave some room for dropper to be put back in bottle.

Magnesium oil, 60% mag flakes, 40% spring water, in a mason jar. Let stand 1 hour. Cap and shake. I buy 16 oz spray bottles and fill those.

Castor oil pack. 5 folds of cotton flannel. In a ziploc, put fabric, add castor oil, use bag as squeegee to pull out. Spray with mag oil. Lay on old towel. Add pack, then saran, then heating pad on medium 20 minute. As often as possible.

We found that a 1 inch square of 5% lugols iodine painted on skin near area of pain, seems to boost pain relief.

Otherwise using Ted's iodine foot painting at bed time.

The most pain relief, removing fluoride, castor oil pack, Ted's alkalizing drinks. Ken did not have time to sit with packs all the time. I just put ingredients directly on his back. Let them soak in and wiped away excess so he could go.

Mag oil on feet before bed. Square of iodine.

All is available online or Amazon, our local co op sells all of it too.


Laser Light Therapy

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Posted by Mary (Nj) on 02/03/2014

Degenerated discs can be COMPLETELY regenerated with laser light therapy. Yes....completely. But no doctor is going to tell you that. Doctors who use it are mostly Chiropractors. So look up laser light therapy for discs. Laser light therapy is fast, convenient, and comfortable. It also cures Carpel Tunnel Syndrome (wrist problems - no surgery required! )

Also, MRIs show degenerated discs (not x-rays) and are more complete and safer than CT Scans because it is magnetic versus radioactive. (CT Scans can miss things and they are not that more less expensive than MRIs so I would go for MRIs - I would insist! Even if I have to pay out of pocket)

Replied by Steve

Yes, low level lasers can stimulate discs to heal over time. You can google it.

Replied by Joe
(Quakertown, PA)

How strong does the laser need to be?

(Thessaloniki / Greece)

Lasers, in order to reach the spine, must be class IV. They must also work in pulses in order to have many Watts of energy per diode (for example 20Watts) and also in this way not to burn tissues (in a continuous mode they would). Some high peak Wattage lasers are class IIIB but are also good. They deliver high energy in spikes of time, so their average power is low and so is their class.

I don't want to advertise but here are the specs of a known good one:

Magnesium, Borax, Phosphorous +

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Posted by Franky (Beirut, Lebanon) on 02/10/2013

In reply to Re: 16 Year Old Daughter With Degenerative Disc Disease --

Magnesium oil is a must but not enough for degenerative disc disease. You also need vitamin d, and bioavailable calcium through food like almonds, sesame seeds, dark greens, organic whey protein from 100% concentrate.

You need boron also. Spray a borax solution mixed with water on the degenerated area. (half a tea spoon with half a liter of water sprayed on the area twice a day)

you need to eat food high in Phosphorous.

You need to massage a mixture of clove oil 10% and castor oil 30% and extra virgin coconut oil 60%. This works like a charm but needs time in such situations. You also need to eliminate foods like wheat sugar fried food and junk food and grains, to stop fueling the underlying undiagnosed hidden body condition or major multiple malnutrition, that are causing your disc to degenerate. This is most vital to success and better than treating the symptoms on-site, to ensure future body harmony.


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Posted by Hari (Hyderabad, India) on 03/04/2014

The best way to CURE degenerative disc disease is yoga... It will give you relief from the pain and agony. I suffered for almost five months and found a good yoga guru who cured me completely. I request all of them who suffer from any kind of back/spine problems to try Yoga once. You will experience a better life for sure.. Thankyou

Replied by Karuneshwari

Hey Hari,

I read your reply on DDD, is the degeneration completely gone for you after practicing yoga? Also what practices did your guru teach you for the same as I am a yoga teacher myself .

Thanks 🙏

Replied by KAREN
(West Australia)

How can you heal DDD, cartilage doesn't grow back.


There is no tissue in your body that your body can't replace. Stem Cells are remarkable that way.


Karen, it does.

Sarah C
(Winter Park, FL)
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Not true.