Two Treatment Approaches for Degenerative Disk Disease (DDD)

on Mar 13, 2022
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Degenerative Disc Disease

Around last Christmas of 2021, a friend I'll call Steve, told me that he had mild to moderate pain that started on the right side of his back, at a level that would roughly align with the area 2 inches below his shoulder blades. Over time the pain seemed to be radiating around his abdomen toward a spot slightly above his solar plexus. He told me that he had gone to see his doctor about it and the Nurse Practitioner (NP) who saw him told him that she thought it was an H. pylori infection and told Steve to schedule an H. pylori breath test for the first week of February with the lab.

When Steve called the lab in early January to schedule the test, the person he spoke with said that they don't schedule this particular test for people his age (79). He called the doctor's office and talked to the receptionist and told her what had happened, and she said that it was not up to the lab to make that decision and that Steve should have insisted they do the test because the doctor had ordered it. Steve then asked to speak to the doctor, and the receptionist said that that was not possible and that Steve would have to schedule an appointment to see the doctor again. After telling the receptionist that he had already seen the NP, the receptionist told him that it didn't matter and that he would have to schedule another appointment. So Steve told the receptionist that he would schedule the appointment, but it would have to be with the doctor and not the NP, so the receptionist said fine, and the conversation was over.

I could see and hear the frustration in Steve as he was relating his experience. He told me that he had previously had cancer, and he was apprehensive that it might have come back, and that was what was causing his pain which he mentioned was getting worse. He went on to tell me that about an hour later, the doctor called him to say that they were going to skip the H. pylori test and have Steve take front and back abdominal x-rays instead. They ended up taking those x-rays in late January, and the doctor got back to Steve as soon as he reviewed them.

At the time that they had scheduled him for the H. pylori test, he asked me what I thought he should do. I said I didn't think the problem was H. Pylori and that because of the way he described the way the pain was radiating and increasing with time, I thought it was more likely to be related to nerves coming from the spine. But I told him if he wanted, I could suggest a supplement regimen to reduce H. pylori. He could do that why he waited for his H. pylori test and results. He took those supplements while he was waiting, but the pain worsened.

Roll-On With MSM and Gluocosamime

After he got his x-ray results and DDD diagnosis, I suggested that he stop his H. Pylori regimen, and we could try something to help his DDD. He agreed, and I suggested that he start by using a product called "Stopain" to see if it would help alleviate his pain.

 https://www.vitacost.com/stopain-roll-on-pain-relieving-extra-strength?ta=Stop&t=stopain

High-Dose Hyaluronic Acid

I also suggested a Hyaluronic Acid (HA) supplement that I have found to be at least as effective as Ted's HA homemade remedy and more convenient as it is difficult for me to make Ted's remedy for friends. Plus, when they have attempted to make it themselves, there have been issues with mixing it properly, so this HA supplement simplifies things, and I have gotten good benefits from it.

It is called Now brand Double Strength Hyaluronic Acid. Although the bottle calls for two capsules per day, I have found that dose ineffective, but I have found benefit at three capsules per day and made sure that Steve was aware of this point. There are many oral HA supplements that may be good, but this is the supplement that I have seen benefit from.

https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Hyaluronic-Acid-100mg-Capsules/dp/B00663G8WO/ref=sr_1_5?crid=S526ED0VM4XN&keywords=hyaluronic+acid+now+100mg&qid=1645545417&sprefix=hyaluronic+acid+Now,aps,130&sr=8-5

So he got both items, and I suggested that he apply the Stopain directly to the spine and not where he was feeling the pain to try and determine if the pain was originating at the spine or elsewhere.

6 Hour Pain Relief From Roll-On

As it turned out, applying the pain-relieving roll to the spine completely eliminated the pain for about 6-hour intervals and allowed him to get much better sleep, and Steve was quite happy about that.

So at this point, Steve should have been on the Stopain for about 14 days and the HA for about 12 days. Two days ago, it turned out that Steve stopped applying the Stopain to see if his pain level had changed, and to his surprise, the pain was barely noticeable! Steve also told me that the pain he has had in the area of both shoulder blades for over 50 years had also disappeared! He said that he had had that pain so long that he had learned to tune it out unless it was flaring up, and then he would tough it out until it calmed down again.

Steve is a very happy person right now, and it clearly shows when talking to him. He also looks relieved, knowing that it was not a new cancer causing the problem.

I asked Steve what he was going to tell his doctor at the upcoming visit, and he said he wasn't sure but was going to give it some thought.

I also reminded Steve that although his DDD is better, it is not healed, so he should not go crazy doing strenuous things or out of the ordinary. He should allow his body sufficient time to recover to the maximum extent the HA will allow. It is important to note that Steve is the fastest and best responder I have ever encountered using HA, but his results are really all the same, and his quality of life has improved very significantly.

Although Ted from Bangkok was touting oral HA over 15 years ago on Earth Clinic, it was not generally thought that oral HA would do anything for joints or the spine. Studies show that HA by injection can help, but studies for oral HA are lacking. Maybe it is time for oral studies to start to see if they can confirm the anecdotal evidence for oral HA in relation to DDD. It is still highly beneficial even if it only stops the pain but does not improve the underlying condition. It would be nice if he could get another back x-ray in 6 months to a year to see if the DDD has improved, but his doctor is not likely to do that, and I'm sure Steve doesn't need the extra x-ray exposure.

The speed of Steve's improvement is causing me to consider that the HA is not actually working by accumulating in the vicinity of the discs and attracting water to the discs because this response is simply faster than what would seem possible through that method of action. That may be part of the process, but I suspect that there may also be another method of action at play, and in thinking about it, that other method of action may be the HA interacting with the gut biome simultaneously.

There have been a few studies suggesting that HA may have positive effects on the gut microbiome in terms of improving gut permeability, but it is early days in terms of how things affect the gut microbiome. This is just a consideration in terms of trying to understand this reasonably rapid response by Steve to the HA.

I just wanted to share this story because it shows there may be hope for a disease that doctors have limited help for. I will update Steve's DDD/HA story if anything interesting comes up with the doctor visit or beyond.

Art


March 13, 2022 Update

The doctor just confirmed DDD of the mid and upper region of the spine and referred Steve to a facility that does physical therapy specializing in spinal issues. Steve is improved and uses the Stopain less each time I check with him.

One problem I see is that Steve has a tendency to overdo things now that he is in so much less pain than before and although he is much better, he is not healed yet and I think his overactivity may be working against his recovery. He said he may check out the physical therapy place, but as of now, he is undecided since he is doing so much better. I think I will try and convince him to go as it may help speed his recovery process.

Steve asked me the other day if he should stop taking the Hyaluronic Acid now. I looked at him as though he were crazy and reminded him that he may be feeling better, but he is far from healed! Another thing I would like to mention is that Steve is now also taking high dose melatonin and melatonin in studies has shown synergy with hyaluronic acid and both have shown benefit for disc degeneration.


About The Author

Art Solbrig is a researcher who has been reading scientific studies and testing natural remedies for over 30 years searching for useful studies and alternatives that apply positively to human health issues and natural treatments using minerals, vitamins, amino acids, essential oils, herbs, homeopathy, colloidal silver, combination treatments, and other alternatives to improve the quality of life of others by writing about his findings and test results in places like Earth Clinic. He documents and writes about many of his experiences in helping others. Art is a native of sunny California.

Related Links:

Natural Remedies for Degenerative Disc Disease (DDD)
Ted's Remedies for Degenerative Disc Disease (Hyaluronic Acid + Salt)


Art’s HA and Stop Pain Remedy

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Posted by RW (OH) on 04/09/2022
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Hi Art,

I have been taking your suggestions for the HA supplement and the Stop Pain for a week or so. I was afraid to take the Stop Pain because I have an allergy to Sulfa, (MSM) and debated whether to take it or not, but finally tried it and have found the topical to work well and give me no problems. I can't believe the relief in my back and shoulders this provides! I will continue with both and hope to improve even more. Thank you for your post and research. I feel so much better now. Also take your melatonin suggestion every night for all the benefits. I try to go outside to get some sun for the melatonin, but the weather and sun haven't yet cooperated too frequently in OH. Should start to improve very soon! Thank you for all you do to help everyone here on Earth Clinic. You are so generous with your research and postings, and have helped so many. I have benefitted for years and am very grateful.

Replied by Art
(California)
04/09/2022
1236 posts

Hi RW,

Thank you for the feedback! It is helpful for others when they are trying to find a useful remedy for a specific health condition.

I have another friend who is unable to use MSM because of an allergic reaction to topical application, but was able to use Stopain also! It is one of the best over the counter topical pain relievers available.

I'm glad you are also able to take and tolerate melatonin because it is also beneficial for degenerative discs.

Most importantly, I am glad you are improving and so quickly!

Btw, you may be happy to know that I talked to my friend Steve today who used this remedy and he said his pain level continues to decline every week and told me the pain is barely noticeable now and no longer needs the Stopain for it!

I asked him to continue with the the HA and melatonin even when his pain is completely gone. The reason for this is because you have DDD well before you have symptoms or pain and that means that just because you no longer have pain, it does not mean that your discs have fully recovered.

Art

Jgny
(Thousand Islands)
04/10/2022

Hi Art, which HA should I look for? I searched online and so many have extra ingredients like mag stearate etc. I have the stopain roll on, it certainly feels good. Just wasn't sure which HA? Thank you!

Mary
(Scotland)
04/10/2022

What is HA?

EC: Hyaluronic Acid

Holly M
(New Mexico)
04/11/2022
6 posts

Could this be used in conjunction with DMSO? I have a dear friend that is experiencing severe pain in her back due to an inoperable cyst that is pressing on the spinal cord. I have her using the DMSO, but some days she needs a but more relief.

Katherine
(California)
04/19/2022

Holly, I read from a Newsletter from Dr David Brownstein, that all cysts are caused by low Iodine. I have put just Drug Store Iodine Tincture on cysts topically and they disappeared in a couple of days. I also take Lugol's 5% Iodine internally. I take 2 drops at approximately 12.5 mg up to 16 drops at 100 mg. Get rid of the cyst and then the pain will stop!!

Replied by Tdmart
(MN)
04/10/2022

I am also allergic to sulfa but MSM is not the same thing, it is an organic sulfur so that should be ok, unless you are also allergic to sulfur then of course you need to avoid it too.

Art
(California)
04/10/2022
1236 posts

Jgny,

Here is the link to the original post that I put up regarding Stopain and Hyaluronic Acid for DDD :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ddd-art-solbrig.html

In it are two links to the two products that were very helpful for my friend and now a member of the Earth Clinic community, RW.

Art

Wanda
(Winston-Salem, NC)
04/11/2022

Can you please advise as to the strength and dosage for the Now Hyaluronic Acid? The link you provided in your response to RW on 4/9/22 is a dead link. The link to the article about your friend works, but the link to the supplements is the dead link. Thanks!

Art
(California)
04/11/2022
1236 posts

Wanda,

I think EC has repaired the links in the article now.

The dosage Steve and RW used was 3 of the NOW Double Strength capsules (100 mg each) or 300 mg per day total.

Stopain is usually available online or at local drug stores like CVS, Walgreens, Walmart etc.

Art

Wcr1951
(Nc)
04/13/2022

Thanks, Art! I appreciate the info. I already have the Stopain but knew it wouldn't work without the addition of the HA.

Art
(California)
04/11/2022
1236 posts

Holly M,

The hyaluronic acid and Stopain are for degenerative disc disease, not cysts, so I would be doubtful if they will be effective for eliminating a cyst. The Stopain may help reduce swelling and inflammation caused by the cyst and possibly some of the pain, but if the cyst gets larger, it will lose effectiveness.

EC has 5 sections on different types of cysts and it may be worth checking them out. Here is a link to one of them :

Cyst Remedies

Art

Sabita
(Florida)
04/19/2022

I would try castor oil soaks over the cyst area. I used this treatment successfully for years for another internal issue being severe crippling menstrual cramps. I applied soaks for one hour everyday (for years) and after a short while I had no more pain ever. These castor oil soaks will break up cysts also.

Sent with a prayer for healing.

Replied by RW
(OH)
04/11/2022
5 out of 5 stars

Thank you, Art. I bought the HA you recommended from Amazon along with the Stop Pain, and will continue indefinitely with the HA and melatonin. I was cleaning my house this morning, and my back was getting worse as I was moving some ottomans and tables and vacuuming. I got out the Stop Pain and HA, and now I am pretty much pain free! It's almost unbelievable how fast it works! If the pain goes away like your friend's did, I will still continue with the HA and melatonin, as you suggest. I had osteoporosis the last I was tested, which was years ago, and would like to at least get back to osteopenia. I am also taking some multiple type collagen when I think of it. All in all, I am a happy camper today thanks to your remedies! I appreciate your suggestions so much. Thank you!

Art
(California)
04/11/2022
1236 posts

RW,

My friend, Steve reported very similar to what you have just reported. I think when the pain diminishes, the tendency is to go back to doing things that you used to do awhile back or basically overdo it and exacerbate the disc situation, at least temporarily. It took years to get to this point and repair will take time also. Be careful not to overdo and it will be a more comfortable recovery. Thank you for the extra feedback!

Art

Art
(California)
04/13/2022
1236 posts

Wcr1951, you're welcome!

Yes, Stopain is one of the best over the counter topical pain relievers and using it alongside of the Hyaluronic Acid is helpful in giving quicker relief for DDD. I would think that its anti inflammatory qualities are useful in slowing damage. Together they seem to make a good pair for the purpose. Please update as your HA test progresses.

Art

Jgny
(Thousand Islands)
04/14/2022

I am using the borax/DMSO application on my lower back for about a week so far. I haven't found relief yet. I got the Stopain roll on and love it! Just finally ordered the HA this morning and can't wait to try it! I have 3 herniated discs and deal with tremendous pain since 2006. I want to avoid surgery, I saw what it did to my poor mother in law! Thank you Earth Clinic for such helpful information! :)


Stopain

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Posted by Gth (Simi Valley, Ca) on 04/11/2022
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I was told ten or fifteen years ago I had DDD. The pain had gotten so bad that at times it was hard to take a deep breath or stand straight. Standing in the kitchen doing dishes or chopping veggies where I had to lean forward slightly was the worse. I started this about three weeks ago. Within three days I noticed an improvement. Now I barley feel any pain and don't really need to use the Stopain. I do before bed just to ensure a better night's sleep. Not only has it helped my back, but also aches in other joints. I started giving it to my husband. He too can't believe the results in only about a week, especially in his knees. This really is a miracle. I am so grateful to you for your article, Art, and that it showed up in my inbox.

Replied by Art
(California)
04/12/2022
1236 posts

Gth,

I am very happy that the Hyaluronic Acid and Stopain for DDD is working so well and so rapidly for both you and your husband, but especially for you because clearly, you were in a tremendous amount of pain!

I would like to mention an issue that I am seeing with this remedy. Often times when people get this significant relief of their DDD, it seems to be a natural reaction to just do more and harder things than normal. This can temporarily worsen the condition. As you mentioned, you were diagnosed with DDD 10 to 15 years ago and you have accrued damage over these many years and that damage takes time to try and repair. So don't overdo and have a good recovery! Please update as you notice improvements.

Art