Two Potent Remedies for Degenerative Disc Disease (DDD)

on Mar 13, 2022| Modified on Dec 10, 2023
Degenerative Disc Disease

Around last Christmas of 2021, a friend I'll call Steve told me that he had mild to moderate pain that started on the right side of his back, at a level that would roughly align with the area 2 inches below his shoulder blades. Over time, the pain radiated around his abdomen toward a spot slightly above his solar plexus. He told me that he had gone to see his doctor about it and the Nurse Practitioner (NP) who saw him told him that she thought it was an H. pylori infection and told Steve to schedule an H. pylori breath test for the first week of February with the lab.

When Steve called the lab in early January to schedule the test, the person he spoke with said that they don't schedule this particular test for people his age (79). He called the doctor's office and talked to the receptionist, and told her what had happened. and she said that it was not up to the lab to make that decision and that Steve should have insisted they do the test because the doctor had ordered it. Steve then asked to speak to the doctor, and the receptionist said that that was not possible and that Steve would have to schedule an appointment to see the doctor again. After telling the receptionist that he had already seen the NP, the receptionist told him that it didn't matter and that he would have to schedule another appointment. So Steve told the receptionist that he would schedule the appointment, but it would have to be with the doctor and not the NP, so the receptionist said fine, and the conversation was over.

I could see and hear the frustration in Steve as he was relating his experience. He told me that he had previously had cancer, and he was apprehensive that it might have come back, and that was what was causing his pain, which he mentioned was getting worse. He went on to tell me that about an hour later, the doctor called him to say that they were going to skip the H. pylori test and have Steve take front and back abdominal x-rays instead. They ended up taking those x-rays in late January, and the doctor got back to Steve as soon as he reviewed them.

At the time that they had scheduled him for the H. pylori test, he asked me what I thought he should do. I said I didn't think the problem was H. Pylori and that because of the way he described the way the pain was radiating and increasing with time, I thought it was more likely to be related to nerves coming from the spine. But I told him if he wanted, I could suggest a supplement regimen to reduce H. pylori. He could do that why he waited for his H. pylori test and results. He took those supplements while he was waiting, but the pain worsened.

Roll-On With MSM and Gluocosamime

After he got his x-ray results and DDD diagnosis, I suggested that he stop his H. Pylori regimen, and we could try something to help his DDD. He agreed, and I suggested that he start by using a product called "Stopain" to see if it would help alleviate his pain.

https://www.vitacost.com/stopain-roll-on-pain-relieving-extra-strength?ta=Stop&t=stopain

High-Dose Hyaluronic Acid

I also suggested a Hyaluronic Acid (HA) supplement that I have found to be at least as effective as Ted's HA homemade remedy and more convenient as it is difficult for me to make Ted's remedy for friends. Plus, when they have attempted to make it themselves, there have been issues with mixing it properly, so this HA supplement simplifies things, and I have gotten good benefits from it.

It is called Now brand Double Strength Hyaluronic Acid. Although the bottle calls for two capsules per day, I have found that dose ineffective, but I have found benefit at three capsules per day and made sure that Steve was aware of this point. There are many oral HA supplements that may be good, but this is the supplement that I have seen benefit from.

https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Hyaluronic-Acid-100mg-Capsules/dp/B00663G8WO/ref=sr_1_5?crid=S526ED0VM4XN&keywords=hyaluronic+acid+now+100mg&qid=1645545417&sprefix=hyaluronic+acid+Now,aps,130&sr=8-5

So he got both items, and I suggested that he apply the Stopain directly to the spine and not where he was feeling the pain to try and determine if the pain was originating at the spine or elsewhere.

6-Hour Pain Relief From Roll-On

As it turned out, applying the pain-relieving roll to the spine eliminated the pain for about 6-hour intervals and allowed him to get much better sleep, and Steve was quite happy about that.

So at this point, Steve should have been on the Stopain for about 14 days and the HA for about 12 days. Two days ago, it turned out that Steve stopped applying the Stopain to see if his pain level had changed, and to his surprise, the pain was barely noticeable! Steve also told me that the pain he has had in the area of both shoulder blades for over 50 years had also disappeared! He said that he had had that pain so long that he had learned to tune it out unless it was flaring up, and then he would tough it out until it calmed down again.

Steve is a very happy person right now, and it clearly shows when talking to him. He also looks relieved, knowing that it was not a new cancer causing the problem.

I asked Steve what he was going to tell his doctor at the upcoming visit, and he said he wasn't sure but was going to give it some thought.

I also reminded Steve that although his DDD is better, it is not healed, so he should not go crazy doing strenuous things or out of the ordinary. He should allow his body sufficient time to recover to the maximum extent the HA will allow. It is important to note that Steve is the fastest and best responder I have ever encountered using HA, but his results are really all the same, and his quality of life has improved very significantly.

Although Ted from Bangkok was touting oral HA over 15 years ago on Earth Clinic, it was not generally thought that oral HA would do anything for joints or the spine. Studies show that HA by injection can help, but studies for oral HA are lacking. Maybe it is time for oral studies to start to see if they can confirm the anecdotal evidence for oral HA in relation to DDD. It is still highly beneficial even if it only stops the pain but does not improve the underlying condition. It would be nice if he could get another back x-ray in 6 months to a year to see if the DDD has improved, but his doctor is not likely to do that, and I'm sure Steve doesn't need the extra x-ray exposure.

The speed of Steve's improvement is causing me to consider that the HA is not actually working by accumulating in the vicinity of the discs and attracting water to the discs because this response is simply faster than what would seem possible through that method of action. That may be part of the process, but I suspect that there may also be another method of action at play, and in thinking about it, that other method of action may be the HA interacting with the gut biome simultaneously.

There have been a few studies suggesting that HA may have positive effects on the gut microbiome in terms of improving gut permeability, but it is early days in terms of how things affect the gut microbiome. This is just a consideration in terms of trying to understand this reasonably rapid response by Steve to the HA.

I just wanted to share this story because it shows there may be hope for a disease that doctors have limited help for. I will update Steve's DDD/HA story if anything interesting comes up with the doctor visit or beyond.

Art


March 13, 2022 Update

The doctor just confirmed DDD of the mid and upper region of the spine and referred Steve to a physical therapy facility specializing in spinal issues. Steve is improved and uses the Stopain less each time I check with him.

One problem I see is that Steve tends to overdo things now that he is in so much less pain than before and although he is much better, he is not healed yet and I think his overactivity may be working against his recovery. He said he may check out the physical therapy place, but as of now, he is undecided since he is doing so much better. I think I will try and convince him to go as it may help speed his recovery process.

Steve asked me the other day if he should stop taking the Hyaluronic Acid now. I looked at him as though he were crazy and reminded him that he may be feeling better, but he is far from healed! Another thing I would like to mention is that Steve is now taking high dose melatonin, and melatonin in studies has shown synergy with hyaluronic acid and both have shown benefit for disc degeneration.


About The Author

Art Solbrig is a researcher who has been reading scientific studies and testing natural remedies for over 30 years searching for useful studies and alternatives that apply positively to human health issues and natural treatments using minerals, vitamins, amino acids, essential oils, herbs, homeopathy, colloidal silver, combination treatments, and other alternatives to improve the quality of life of others by writing about his findings and test results in places like Earth Clinic. He documents and writes about many of his experiences in helping others. Art is a native of sunny California.

Related Links:

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Ted's Remedies for Degenerative Disc Disease (Hyaluronic Acid + Salt)
The Hidden Depths of Melatonin in Spinal Health




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Posted by Art (California) on 01/16/2023 2080 posts
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To update this thread (1/16/23), I just had a conversation with Steve regarding his successful use of the HA capsules and Stopain for Degenerative Disc Disease (DDD) and he told me that he has not needed to even occasionally use the Stopain for over 3 months and the pain is gone! He is still taking the HA capsules but is considering taking a break to see if the pain starts to come back, but hasn't made up his mind yet because he is just very happy to be out of pain and doesn't really want to risk having pain even for a little while. I can't blame him!

Here is a link to the original two things he used successfully for DDD :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ddd-art-solbrig.html

Art

Replied by Guzin
(Vancouver B C Canada)
07/14/2023

Hi Art, I have read your DDD remedy and just wondering if that would help cracked Disc on L4?

Regards
Guzin

Art
(California)
07/14/2023
2080 posts

Guzin,

It would depend on the severity of the damage, but it would be useful to add other supplements to the HA to help repair the intervertebral disc such as melatonin, grape seed proanthocyanidin extract (GSPE), berberine, astaxanthin and andrographis with 10% or more of andrographolide.

You can start with the HA and Stopain. If no relief within a month try adding one of the others for a month and then add more if needed, but never do all of them at once because if you are reactive to one, you won't know which one is the problem and will have to stop and start over again with the HA.

Also consider getting 20 minutes of earlier morning sun every morning to get infrared (IR) light exposure from the sun. Let your back face the sun with clothes on. The IR will penetrate clothing, reduce spinal inflammation and increase melatonin in the cerebrospinal fluid which will be useful. Start with the HA, Stopain and earlier morning sunlight. The morning sun exposure may also help you sleep if you are having trouble sleeping. Give these three a full month before considering adding another supplement. If it is practical, get the morning sun in an area with significant greenery in the immediate area as this will increase your IR exposure.

Come back and let us know how you do.

Art

Replied by Guzin
(Vancouver B C)
07/15/2023

Thank you very much Art. I will definitely let you know in a month.

Replied by Connie
(GA)
09/25/2023

Hi Art,

Thank you for everything you post and sharing your knowledge. Regarding Now DS HLA 3 caps/day for DDD, do you recommend taking all 3 in the morning or morning, noon and night - with or without food? I feel like I did read the recommended application but now cannot locate that content. I am planning to take with the Dr Emil Multi Collagen Plus for one small bulge and tear L4/L5 (no other noteworthy DDD), that I believe is causing my sciatica and also for SIJ Dysfunction which manifests at spasms from the SI Joints. The spasms seem to be nerve induced vs muscle from the pelvis, SI region and have been progressively worse (every month or so) for 4+ yrs. Your thoughts appreciated!

Art
(California)
09/25/2023
2080 posts

Connie,

It might be better to try the hyaluronic acid (HA) capsules with the Stopain first as I have gotten reports that it has helped for more than just degenerative disc disease (DDD).

I think that doing three divided doses such as breakfast lunch and dinner to get 100 mg at each meal in the beginning may be slightly more effective, but once you have relief I think taking all three at once with a meal is fine also

HA has also shown some benefit for osteoarthritis. Here is a link to what I wrote about HA capsules and Stopain for DDD :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ddd-art-solbrig.html

If the HA & Stopain don't help your other issues, then you can add the Multi Collagen Plus. If the HA works for the other issues, then you don't have to spend more money for the multi collagen plus and you will know precisely what the HA/Stopain is doing and what the Multi Collagen Plus is doing if you end up getting it. Some friends have mentioned going down to two capsules per day(the dose recommended on the bottle) after months of using HA with no problems.

Connie, please come back and let us know what you use and how you do!

Art

Connie
(GA)
09/25/2023

Hi Art,

Thanks for the quick reply. I will come back with results. How long do you think is reasonable to give the HA a test before trying the HLA? I will start the stop pain today on the Sciatica.

I did try L Lysine in Aug for Sciatica and that seemed to work but it has just come back this week and I can't pinpoint any activity that would be the culprit.

In terms of the HLA, I was thinking that might help for loose ligaments for the SIJ as when I get the spasms, it is debilitating for weeks. Thoughts? In the last 3 years I have given most all activities other than walking and I am too young to be sitting on the couch even though I am 63! thanks again

Art
(California)
09/25/2023
2080 posts

Connie,

I think if you do not notice any positive change for that specific symptom in one month then you might consider adding the collagen. Although friends and EC community members have reported results for DDD sooner, one month is a more reasonable expectation to find minor relief. I'm a little confused whether you are dealing with DDD or sciatica?? DDD can cause sciatica or exacerbate it, but it is not the only cause. What is your actual diagnosis?

For fairly quick relief from sciatica, icing 3 times per day and applying Stopain in between icing should offer relief to make it much more tolerable. Icing is highly anti inflammatory. Proper stretches are also useful for sciatica and there are YouTube videos showing stretches that have shown benefit for sciatica.

I'm not sure what you are describing as HLA? I thought you were using that for HA, but apparently not.

It is helpful for the forum members to understand what you mean when you actually spell out what you are describing at least once in your post. Obviously it is clear to you, but not so much for others.

Art

Connie
(GA)
09/27/2023

Hi Art,

Thanks again and apologies for the confusion. I was abbreviating Hylauronic Acid as HLA so will spell out going forward.

In terms of diagnosis, I have been to 3 Orthopedic surgeons, one with a double fellowship in neurology. Have tried, stretching, PT, icing, acupuncture, massage and chiropractor. I do ice regularly throughout the day as needed and this does provide relief for both of my issues (SIJ and Sciatic). I have had MRIs, XRAYs, CT Scan of Pelvis, extensive bloodwork check for auto immune and inflammatory markers. Everything has come back negative with the exception of a mild bulge at L3/L4 and L4/L5. Therefore, the docs have not been able to provide a diagnosis as to the cause of the sciatic pain (possibly piriformis syndrome) nor the spasms.

The spams are the primary issue at this time and occur in the area of the sacroiliac joints. The spasms were initially triggered by forward flexion and or rotation. Over the past two years, this issue has progressed to where the spasms can be triggered by reaching to close a car door, standing from a squatting position after pulling just a few weeds or just about any movement involving flexion and/or rotation. I also tested negative for Sacroiliitis although on some days my SI Joints do feel inflamed. Therefore, I have had to give up golfing, hiking and biking.

After a lot of reading on SI Joint Dysfunction where the tendons can be lax or too tight, I thought I would try the Hyaluronic Acid and/or Multi Collagen Plus to repair the tendons or whatever is causing the constant irritation and ultimately spasms in the SI Joints. So this is where I would like to know what you might suggest to calms the SI Joints and surrounding structures.

The 2nd issue is right buttock sciatic pain, that never goes down the leg. The sciatic is mostly under control but does flare up. I recently took the L Lysine and Root2 BioCell Collagen for roughly 5-6 weeks thinking the bulge in L4/L5 was causing the sciatic pain. I also did alot of walking during that timeframe and the Sciatic has been much improved overall. The Drs could not say for sure if the bulge was actually the source of any of the issues as the bulge is considered minor.

My objective is to get to the point where the spasms are under control so I can resume my fun activities and have better movement overall. When this first started - about 5 years ago - the spasms were coming from the L4/L5 area but over the recent past are felt originating from the SI Joints. Any help greatly appreciated.

Art
(California)
09/27/2023
2080 posts

Okay, that's a little clearer now, Connie.

The icing is apparently helping so definitely continue. The fact that it is effective let's you know that there is definitely significant inflammation involved. The Stopain should also help as it is a fairly potent topical anti inflammatory. You didn't mention it this time, is it helping?

Sitting can definitely exacerbate sciatic pain so if you are doing a lot of sitting, that may not be the best choice. Making sure to use good posture when standing can be beneficial for improving sciatica.

The HA, as I wrote about it is intended for DDD, which does not really seem to be the issue here based on what the three orthopedic surgeons have told you. The HA may or may not help in your case, but seems worth the effort for at least one 120 capsule bottle of it. The collagen supplement is intended for ligament and tendon damage which may or may not apply here since the three orthopedic surgeons did not point you in that direction.

I have had very good results using icing for sciatica and in my experience the benefit has been cumulative with the beneficial effect lasting longer and longer with continued cryotherapy and you have reported it as beneficial, but you did not give feedback on the Stopain which I have found very beneficial for sciatica also.

Boswellia Serrata Extract (BSE) in the forms referred to as AKBA or Apres Flex is also beneficial in reducing inflammation and helping to repair sciatic nerve damage as discussed here :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9165397/

Here is a relevant quote :

' These findings suggest that, at the molecular level, AKBA can increase neurotrophic factor expression through inhibiting myeloperoxidase expression and reducing inflammatory reactions, which could promote myelin sheath and axon regeneration in the injured sciatic nerve. '

Turmeric / Curcumin also helps sciatica or disc related issues as discussed here :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5521990/

Here is a relevant quote :

' Our study provided pre-clinical evidence for expediting this natural, non-toxic pleiotropic agent to become a new and safe clinical treatment of radiculopathy. '

Here is a link to a product that contains both BSE in the form referred to as Apres Flex and also contains Curcumin and Mangosteen Extract which is also beneficial for sciatica :

https://www.amazon.com/Root2-Vitacost-Turmeric-Featuring-ApresFlex/dp/B08Q42R6ZL/ref=sr_1_8?crid=VFW058PWXCR3&keywords=Acetyl-11-keto-beta-boswellic+acid&qid=1695868654&sprefix=acetyl-11-keto-beta-boswellic+acid+,aps,110&sr=8-8

So these are all things that I would do for myself if I had sciatica and you can discuss them with your doctor to see if they would be suitable and safe for you.

On a related note, EC has a whole section on sciatica with 46 remedies listed and it may be worth considering some of those options also.

Art

Connie
(GA)
09/30/2023

Hi Art

The Stop Pain had no impact on the sciatica. The drs are really not sure if the bulging L4L5 is the cause but say it might be. I have read the site in detail and the most helpful for me seems to be the L lysine, walking and icing.

Steroids and L-Lysine Aescinate for Acute Radiculopathy Due to a Herniated Lumbar Disk - PubMed (nih.gov)

I am trying to fix the SI joint issue which is where the spasms are coming from and therefore am also looking to rehabilitate the tendons and ligaments in that area. I had read somewhere not to take collagen type one and two together. Any thoughts on that point? Also- When would you recommend taking the Root2 BioCell collagen versus Dr Emil Multi Collagen Plus?

I do take Liquid turmeric with curcumin daily and have been for about 4 months.

How much Boswellia do you recommend?

it seems I can keep my sciatica mostly under control with the items I mentioned above but I'm still trying to figure out what is causing the chronic spasms from the SI joints and how to strengthen the ligaments and tendons in the S I joint area.

Thanks again

Art
(California)
09/30/2023
2080 posts

Connie,

Regarding Stopain, try applying it to the spine from the mid back to the tail bone and see if that has any effect.

As far as the collagen, I would use one or the other, not both. I found benefit with Dr. Emil's for tendon's and ligaments so that is what I mentioned.

Other than that, the three component anti inflammatory is what I mentioned. Let me know if you decide to test it and if it helps.

Art

Connie
(GA)
10/01/2023

Thanks Art. I will try the Stopain on the spine and also the Dr Emil's and report back. Do you have any suggestions on the dosage for the Boswellia and also on taking type I and II collagen together.

Best

Art
(California)
10/01/2023
2080 posts

Connie,

Let me know if the Stopain application directly to the spine helps. If it does help, that would suggest potential nerve involvement.

Taking the label dosage recommendation on the three ingredient anti inflammatory bottle should be the place to start.

Dr. Emils has type 1, 2, 3, 5 and 10 collagen as well as bone broth, chicken broth, eggshell membrane collagen and Bioperine in it to enhance absorption. My friend started seeing benefit taking all three capsules at once within the first bottle and then continued to where he no longer uses it.

Good luck and keep us posted on how you do.

Art

Replied by Dee
(San Antonio, Texas)
12/06/2023

Hi Art, First I just want to thank you for sharing all of your wisdom and research with us! I can't find the Hyaluronic Acid Double Strength by Now Anywhere!! Every place says it is out of stock. My question is would it be alright to take L proline, grapeseed extract, and 100 mgs of another brand of hyaluronic acid instead of the Now brand?

Thank you so much, Dee

Art
(California)
12/07/2023
2080 posts

Hi Dee,

Yes, I and many friends have noticed that the NOW brand Double Strength Hyaluronic Acid has become unavailable everywhere. So I called NOW and they told me it is expected that it will be available again in late December.

For those who don't want to wait, I found another brand that is also available in 100 mg HA capsules on Amazon. I am testing it in a friend and they just started so I don't know if it works the same as the NOW product. It doesn't have the other ingredients that the NOW product does, but I think it is mainly the HA that is doing most of the work. Here is a link to that product :

https://www.amazon.com/Bronson-Hyaluronic-Potency-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B0BBNDGJBN/ref=sr_1_21?crid=364IY67QQBS4Q&keywords=hyaluronic+acid+capsules+100mg&qid=1701972000&sprefix=hyaluronic+acid+capsules+100,aps,133&sr=8-21

Art

Dee
(San Antonio Tx)
12/07/2023

Thank you so much!!

Dee

Replied by Connie
(GA)
12/09/2023
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Hi Art and all,

I know it has been a few months and wanted to provide an update. While the Stop Pain did not have any effect on my back pain, I am happy to say my back is much better, I would say almost 100%. I started taking the Hyaluronic Acid 3x daily as discussed and also Dr Emils Multi Collagen Plus (Amazon) 3 caps per day in the morning. My pain is gone and I am currently working on strengthening my core prior to resuming full activity. That is going well also. Once I feel my core is stable and strong (probably another 30 days), I plan to stop the Hyaluronic Acid and continue with the Collagen as I like the benefits to my hair and nails. This will also be a test to see if there is any change in my back, hair or nails as it is possible the benefit to hair and nails is from Hyaluronic Acid. Thanks again to Art and everyone for posting their experiences. I also am planning to start my husband on the Hyaluronic Acid for his DDD. Fingers crossed!

Art
(California)
12/10/2023
2080 posts

Hi Connie,

Thank you very much for taking the time to come back to EC to give a detailed report on how much Hyaluronic Acid(HA) has helped your degenerative disc disease to become pain free! I am very happy for your great results! How long do you think it took to become pain free?

You are the first person to report that Stopain had no effect on you, so that is useful feedback that we previously did not have! The Stopain is only a temporary aid until the HA gets you to pain free.

As far as stopping the HA now, I haven't had good reports from friends who have done that so early on, but no problem, because if the pain returns, you can just start the HA again. Btw, I called NOW products to find out when they will be back in stock with the "NOW Double Strength Hyaluronic Acid" and they said it should be back in stock in late December.

Regarding your sciatic nerve issue/spasms, it sounds like that is now resolved also since you say you are now pain free. If that is correct, do you attribute that to the HA or Dr. Emil's collagen product?

Thank you again for the feedback, Connie!

Art


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Posted by Phyllis (Florida) on 08/04/2023
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Hello Art,

I have been taking your Now HA remedy for one week and out of pain with my DDD disease. Should I take 2 capsules 3 times daily now that I am out of pain? Thanks so much for helping people.

Replied by Art
(California)
08/04/2023
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Hi Phyllis,

Thank you very much for the important feedback on hyaluronic acid (HA) and Stopain for degenerative disc disease (DDD)!

Given that it worked so well and so fast to stop your DDD pain in just a week, why not try two a day instead of three a day of the HA. If it doesn't maintain your relief as well as the three capsules per day, you can always go back to three a day.

I have a question for you. You say you have no pain after one week of using this two part regimen of hyaluronic acid plus Stopain and I am wondering if you are still needing to use the second component, Stopain, anymore? It is intended only for temporary pain relief until the HA takes effect and then the Stopain should no longer be needed.

Please come back and let us know how two a day of the HA capsules works out for you.

Art

Replied by Art
(California)
08/04/2023
2080 posts

Hi again, Phyllis,

I forgot that I wanted to reiterate the dosing for the NOW hyaluronic acid (HA) capsules that you are taking.

The total dose that has worked for others is a total of 300 mg per day in three divided doses of 100 mg each, such as 100mg with breakfast, 100 mg with lunch and 100 mg with dinner. Is this what you are doing?

Your proposed decrease would require one 100 mg capsule with breakfast and one 100 mg capsule with dinner.

Art

Replied by Hollyhock
(America)
08/05/2023

Were you taking the now brand double strength capsules? And how many a day? One of the reasons I quit taking them was I developed a dull pain between my shoulder blades, the pain stopped after I stopped the HA. I went on boswellia and found some relief for a while but it didn't last long.

Replied by Phyllis
(Florida)
08/07/2023

Hello Art. I am new at this replying and I must have done something wrong so I will reply again. I did stop taking the Stopain before I started the double strength Now HA. I was taking one capsule after each meal and when I feel confident that I will not get the pain again I will start taking the two capsules instead of 3.

Art
(California)
08/07/2023
2080 posts

Phyllis,

Well, you got the post right this time!

Thank you for the clarification on the Stopain and hyaluronic acid usage. I'm very happy that the combination has worked so well and so quickly for you. Please update us on how two capsules work out for you when you get to that point. You are one of the fastest responders to this DDD remedy.

Art

Replied by Phyllis
(Florida)
11/09/2023
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Hi Art.

I just want to give an update on the HA. Back in August I took the Now HA 100mg. capsules one 3 times daily and was also taking the Stop Pain until after a week I was out of pain. I then took one HA capsule twice daily instead of 3 to find out if it would keep me out of pain and it did for a few months. The end of October I started having the back pain again this time in my sacroiliac joint and the pain came on pretty sudden and got really bad quickly so I started on taking the one capsule 3 times daily again and I forgot to do the Stop Pain roll on. I wasn't getting much relief so I went back and read the instructions again and then realized I forgot to do the Stop Pain roll on. This was 2 days ago and when I started doing the roll on after the 3rd application the pain is subsiding again. I forgot doing the roll on probably because of my age but I realize now that it is very important to do the roll on until you get out of pain doing the 100 mg. capsules of the HA 3 times daily. When my pain is completely better I wil stop the roll on but will probably continue the 3 daily dosage of HA for a long time because I certainly do not want to go through this ever again.

My question is: How long do you think I should continue taking the one capsule of HA 3 times daily before trying to go back to just 2 HA twice daily? Needless to say I learned a lesson the hard way. Thanks for the good instructions Art.

Art
(California)
11/10/2023
2080 posts

Phyllis,

Thank you very much for coming back to give a detailed response to your experience with using the Stopain/Hyaluronic Acid (HA) combination for degenerative disc disease (DDD).

To answer your question, I should say that initially when I started testing this combo, I thought that there would possibly never be a time when the HA dosage could be reduced because I thought a constant intake of HA would be needed in order to maintain the benefit. It was only with time and feedback from friends who were testing this combo that I realized that with time, it may be possible to reduce the dosage of HA and possibly no longer need to use it.

What I found is that this feature varies significantly from person to person with some people being able to maintain the benefit as long as they continue taking the full dose of HA, while others could reduce their dose after a few months of being on HA to two capsules per day while others could reduce to one capsule and one other said they were able to stop taking HA after about a year with no return of pain.

So far, it appears that some people's DDD is significantly worse than others and will need to take HA much longer than those with DDD that isn't too bad and there is no practical way for me to put a timeframe on how long it will take for each person to be able to start reducing their dose, but I have seen it done, so I know it is possible to get to a point where the HA is no longer needed to maintain the benefit.

In general, it takes years to decades for DDD to develop and I think a year is a minimum in terms of HA working to repair this damage to the discs.

Art


Art’s HA and Stop Pain Remedy
Posted by Amelie (SC) on 10/09/2022
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Hello Art, I just joined this forum and I am not sure how to go about asking questions, so I hope this is OK.

What is the best molecular weight for hyaluronic acid, when using the protocols mentioned here (oral administration with salt and water solution, etc)? Thank you very much!

Replied by Art
(California)
10/09/2022
2080 posts

Amelie,

Welcome to the Earth Clinic community and yes, you are asking your question in the right place and way!

For the purpose of DDD I use Sodium Hyaluronate(HA) which is in the range of 400, 000 ~ 1, 000, 000 Daltons and is considered a low molecular weight HA, but there are lower and higher form of HA available.

Art

Amelie
(SC)
10/11/2022

Hello Art, thank you for responding to me so quickly! I already made an order for HA that is 1.05 million daltons. It will arrive in a bag with no scoop, so I am wondering what spoon would be appropriate for measuring out 500 mg of powder?

Art
(California)
10/11/2022
2080 posts

Amelie,

I don't use bulk powder, I use the following which I have found to be at least as effective as bulk powder and much more convenient. It is what I recommend because it is what I found that worked well. Some people have reported difficulties in trying to mix the bulk powder and it requires refrigeration between uses and that is two more reasons that I went with the one that I use. :

https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Hyaluronic-Acid-100mg-Capsules/dp/B00663G8WO

I went and checked and I happened to have some bulk HA and measured it out on a digital scale. It appears that a level full one quarter teaspoon measuring teaspoon is approximately 500 mg, but keep in mind that measuring spoons can vary in actual size from one set to another and from country to country.

Art

Amelie
(SC)
10/12/2022

Thank you! :)


Art’s HA and Stop Pain Remedy
Posted by RW (OH) on 04/09/2022
★★★★★

Hi Art,

I have been taking your suggestions for the HA supplement and the Stop Pain for a week or so. I was afraid to take the Stop Pain because I have an allergy to Sulfa, (MSM) and debated whether to take it or not, but finally tried it and have found the topical to work well and give me no problems. I can't believe the relief in my back and shoulders this provides! I will continue with both and hope to improve even more. Thank you for your post and research. I feel so much better now. Also take your melatonin suggestion every night for all the benefits. I try to go outside to get some sun for the melatonin, but the weather and sun haven't yet cooperated too frequently in OH. Should start to improve very soon! Thank you for all you do to help everyone here on Earth Clinic. You are so generous with your research and postings, and have helped so many. I have benefitted for years and am very grateful.

Replied by Art
(California)
04/09/2022
2080 posts

Hi RW,

Thank you for the feedback! It is helpful for others when they are trying to find a useful remedy for a specific health condition.

I have another friend who is unable to use MSM because of an allergic reaction to topical application, but was able to use Stopain also! It is one of the best over the counter topical pain relievers available.

I'm glad you are also able to take and tolerate melatonin because it is also beneficial for degenerative discs.

Most importantly, I am glad you are improving and so quickly!

Btw, you may be happy to know that I talked to my friend Steve today who used this remedy and he said his pain level continues to decline every week and told me the pain is barely noticeable now and no longer needs the Stopain for it!

I asked him to continue with the the HA and melatonin even when his pain is completely gone. The reason for this is because you have DDD well before you have symptoms or pain and that means that just because you no longer have pain, it does not mean that your discs have fully recovered.

Art

Jgny
(Thousand Islands)
04/10/2022

Hi Art, which HA should I look for? I searched online and so many have extra ingredients like mag stearate etc. I have the stopain roll on, it certainly feels good. Just wasn't sure which HA? Thank you!

Mary
(Scotland)
04/10/2022

What is HA?

EC: Hyaluronic Acid

Holly M
(New Mexico)
04/11/2022
6 posts

Could this be used in conjunction with DMSO? I have a dear friend that is experiencing severe pain in her back due to an inoperable cyst that is pressing on the spinal cord. I have her using the DMSO, but some days she needs a but more relief.

Katherine
(California)
04/19/2022

Holly, I read from a Newsletter from Dr David Brownstein, that all cysts are caused by low Iodine. I have put just Drug Store Iodine Tincture on cysts topically and they disappeared in a couple of days. I also take Lugol's 5% Iodine internally. I take 2 drops at approximately 12.5 mg up to 16 drops at 100 mg. Get rid of the cyst and then the pain will stop!!

Replied by Tdmart
(MN)
04/10/2022

I am also allergic to sulfa but MSM is not the same thing, it is an organic sulfur so that should be ok, unless you are also allergic to sulfur then of course you need to avoid it too.

Art
(California)
04/10/2022
2080 posts

Jgny,

Here is the link to the original post that I put up regarding Stopain and Hyaluronic Acid for DDD :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ddd-art-solbrig.html

In it are two links to the two products that were very helpful for my friend and now a member of the Earth Clinic community, RW.

Art

Wanda
(Winston-Salem, NC)
04/11/2022

Can you please advise as to the strength and dosage for the Now Hyaluronic Acid? The link you provided in your response to RW on 4/9/22 is a dead link. The link to the article about your friend works, but the link to the supplements is the dead link. Thanks!

Art
(California)
04/11/2022
2080 posts

Wanda,

I think EC has repaired the links in the article now.

The dosage Steve and RW used was 3 of the NOW Double Strength capsules (100 mg each) or 300 mg per day total.

Stopain is usually available online or at local drug stores like CVS, Walgreens, Walmart etc.

Art

Wcr1951
(Nc)
04/13/2022

Thanks, Art! I appreciate the info. I already have the Stopain but knew it wouldn't work without the addition of the HA.

Art
(California)
04/11/2022
2080 posts

Holly M,

The hyaluronic acid and Stopain are for degenerative disc disease, not cysts, so I would be doubtful if they will be effective for eliminating a cyst. The Stopain may help reduce swelling and inflammation caused by the cyst and possibly some of the pain, but if the cyst gets larger, it will lose effectiveness.

EC has 5 sections on different types of cysts and it may be worth checking them out. Here is a link to one of them :

Cyst Remedies

Art

Sabita
(Florida)
04/19/2022

I would try castor oil soaks over the cyst area. I used this treatment successfully for years for another internal issue being severe crippling menstrual cramps. I applied soaks for one hour everyday (for years) and after a short while I had no more pain ever. These castor oil soaks will break up cysts also.

Sent with a prayer for healing.

Replied by RW
(OH)
04/11/2022
★★★★★

Thank you, Art. I bought the HA you recommended from Amazon along with the Stop Pain, and will continue indefinitely with the HA and melatonin. I was cleaning my house this morning, and my back was getting worse as I was moving some ottomans and tables and vacuuming. I got out the Stop Pain and HA, and now I am pretty much pain free! It's almost unbelievable how fast it works! If the pain goes away like your friend's did, I will still continue with the HA and melatonin, as you suggest. I had osteoporosis the last I was tested, which was years ago, and would like to at least get back to osteopenia. I am also taking some multiple type collagen when I think of it. All in all, I am a happy camper today thanks to your remedies! I appreciate your suggestions so much. Thank you!

Art
(California)
04/11/2022
2080 posts

RW,

My friend, Steve reported very similar to what you have just reported. I think when the pain diminishes, the tendency is to go back to doing things that you used to do awhile back or basically overdo it and exacerbate the disc situation, at least temporarily. It took years to get to this point and repair will take time also. Be careful not to overdo and it will be a more comfortable recovery. Thank you for the extra feedback!

Art

Art
(California)
04/13/2022
2080 posts

Wcr1951, you're welcome!

Yes, Stopain is one of the best over the counter topical pain relievers and using it alongside of the Hyaluronic Acid is helpful in giving quicker relief for DDD. I would think that its anti inflammatory qualities are useful in slowing damage. Together they seem to make a good pair for the purpose. Please update as your HA test progresses.

Art

Jgny
(Thousand Islands)
04/14/2022

I am using the borax/DMSO application on my lower back for about a week so far. I haven't found relief yet. I got the Stopain roll on and love it! Just finally ordered the HA this morning and can't wait to try it! I have 3 herniated discs and deal with tremendous pain since 2006. I want to avoid surgery, I saw what it did to my poor mother in law! Thank you Earth Clinic for such helpful information! :)


Hyaluronic Acid

Posted by Hollyhock (America ) on 12/10/2022

Question about double strength HA for Art,,,, the bottle doesn't say whether to take with food or on empty stomach. I took it with food this morning and now have an upset stomach and headache. I only took one because I sometimes react to certain supplements. This is the first time I bought this Now brand. Any advice?

Replied by Art
(California)
12/11/2022
2080 posts

Hollyhock,

My bottle says to "take with food". Try it again later on to see if you get an upset stomach again. If you do, you should return the bottle as you will not be able to tolerate a full dose.

Art

Replied by Art
(California)
12/11/2022
2080 posts

Hollyhock,

My bottle says specifically to take with food. You could try it one more time, but if just one capsule upset your stomach, it will not be possible for you to take the full dose. You should just return the bottle and look for another remedy for DDD on Earth Clinic.

Art

Hollyhock
(America)
12/27/2022

Hi Art,

I decided to continue taking the double strength HA and am pleased to report that it has given my back great relief! I worked up to 3 capsules per day. I have 3 herniated lumbar disc's, since 2006. When I found your article about HA, I thought why not give it a try! I also thought I should mention your idea about gut health, I have IBS-D, and noticed an improvement in that department as well! I use melatonin every night, so maybe this combination is the answer to years of pain! Thank you!

Art
(California)
12/28/2022
2080 posts

Hollyhock,

I am so very happy for you! It sounds like you got very good relief for your DDD with the HA capsules and IBS-d with the melatonin! Zinc may also be of benefit for the IBS-d.

Since you are taking melatonin, you may be very happy to know that it too works against disc degeneration as outlined here :

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568163721001410?via=ihub

Please keep us updated on your progress!

Art


Stopain

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Posted by Gth (Simi Valley, Ca) on 04/11/2022
★★★★★

I was told ten or fifteen years ago I had DDD. The pain had gotten so bad that at times it was hard to take a deep breath or stand straight. Standing in the kitchen doing dishes or chopping veggies where I had to lean forward slightly was the worse. I started this about three weeks ago. Within three days I noticed an improvement. Now I barley feel any pain and don't really need to use the Stopain. I do before bed just to ensure a better night's sleep. Not only has it helped my back, but also aches in other joints. I started giving it to my husband. He too can't believe the results in only about a week, especially in his knees. This really is a miracle. I am so grateful to you for your article, Art, and that it showed up in my inbox.

Replied by Art
(California)
04/12/2022
2080 posts

Gth,

I am very happy that the Hyaluronic Acid and Stopain for DDD is working so well and so rapidly for both you and your husband, but especially for you because clearly, you were in a tremendous amount of pain!

I would like to mention an issue that I am seeing with this remedy. Often times when people get this significant relief of their DDD, it seems to be a natural reaction to just do more and harder things than normal. This can temporarily worsen the condition. As you mentioned, you were diagnosed with DDD 10 to 15 years ago and you have accrued damage over these many years and that damage takes time to try and repair. So don't overdo and have a good recovery! Please update as you notice improvements.

Art



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