I have had DDD for ten years, with a disc operation three years ago. I take 15,000 mg Vitamin C daily for pain and it helps a lot, vitamin C replaces collagen and relieves pain above 10,000 mg. I have taken as high as 20,000 mg a day. There is all kinds of research on the subject if you are interested but not from our present medical community. There never has been a problem with high dose C for any problem if you just do the research. It takes time for it to take effect but it really works.
For Degenerative Disc Disease or for back/skeletal injuries or arthritis, I would try a chicken sternum (CS) cartilage capsule per day for life or at least for 5 years. I am currently in my upper 60's.
Chicken sternum has type 2 collagen in it which rebuilds cartilage.
Something tore next to my spine in the mid-2000s as I lifted a 7-gallon water jug. My back felt unhinged from then on.
My knees and thumbs were also loose in their sockets at the time, so I started taking a chicken sternum capsule mornings, and it rebuilt and filled in the cartilage in my knees/thumbs in say 4 months. The joints became tight again and subtle but noticeable improvement started within a few days.
However, my unhinged back healed some years later. It could have been 2 years or longer because I didn't notice when my back actually healed, but only that it has healed from the unhinged feeling.
I still take a capsule of chicken sternum mornings, although CS has never has healed my injured shoulder, but the shoulder is not painful.
I reason that the cartilage sternum of a bird acts as a shock absorber for the bird's flapping wings. So the bird's cartilage sternum needs to repair and rebuild rapidly each day. So that is why I think CS rebuilds hips, knees and other joints so well, except maybe shoulders.
I knew a lady in 2016 who canceled her hip replacement (confirmed by x-ray), and her friend canceled his painful knee's replacement after they both took CS capsules for 4 months. He was walking around as normal as if his knee had never hurt, whereas before he was not able to stand in line at the buffet without sitting down.
Instead of the current BioCell brand of CS extract, Swanson carried the kollaGen brand of chicken sternum capsules back then, kollaGen which is now carried by PipingRock:
I wanted to try the newer BioCell brand of CS extract, so that is what I take now.
The Swanson CS I most recently bought for about $17.50 per bottle by using RetailMeNot. Or the current 25% off sale at Swanson would yield the same $17.24 price, which is normally $22.99 per bottle.
I figure that it only makes sense to take chicken sternum capsules to feed my skeletal system and joints. The bottles suggest more capsules per day or per dose, although just one capsule per day of CS was always enough to produce results for me.
I have several issues with my body. I am 30 years old and have: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome Type III (connective tissue disorder), Degenerative Disc Disease, Fibromyalgia, TMJ Syndrome, Early Onset Osteopenia, Arthritis, Bulging disc in my cervical spine, Costochondritis (comes and goes). Over the past week I have had a bout with restless leg syndrome and now my lower back is in horrible pain! Something that helped (a lot!! ) - Ginger root tea with a pinch of cayenne pepper and honey to taste (raw local honey.. and I was out of lemon).
While drinking tea, I took a hot bath with: left over ginger pieces from tea, a handful of dried comfrey leaves, some apple cider vinegar (with the mother), coconut oil (organic, cold pressed), oils of lavender, patchouli, frankincense, myrrh, turmeric. I also added baking soda and I was out of epsom salt, so I added regular sea salt. My tub was a mess w/ all the dried leaves, but it was worth it! It knocked the pain right out, and I hadn't been w/o a day of crying pain in over a week. I am thankful for all the tips a found here. I don't know what worked, but something did, or a combination. Thought I'd share in case anyone else is in horrible pain too. I have very minimal pain today, I can walk upright instead of bent over, and I got a consecutive 6 hours of sleep (instead of waking every 1/2 hour all night). Hope this helps someone else too. x, J
RE: Degenerative Disc Disease, I have different take on this. If linus pauling was correct, that "all chronic illnesses can be traced back to mineral deficiency", Then I'd reco cell salts/minerals, to anyone for almost anything, seriously. I'm not saying there are no other options, just that I believe, the root cause is lack of minerals. I see it, but I'm not in a position to prove it, and perhaps that may be for the best, otherwise it would be a huge shock to medicine. Anyways, not sure if a complete recovery can happen after so much damage occurs from lack of minerals. The only way to check it is to take the cell salts, and Bioplasma is a daily dose of 12 needed cell salts, so, if injured, take extra, up to 1 dose, 8x a day to build up reserves. I've been taking 2-4x the daily dose for over a year, I feel great except for this extra weight from the candida.
Also, Queen Victoria, Elizabeth, the Queen mother, and John D rockefeller lived into their 90's with only a homeopathic physician....there has to be something to it.
Avoid Hidden MSG
I was diagnosed with arthritis, sciatica and degenerative disc disease. I've had multiple head & neck injuries. Just the flowing agents in salt/spices cause me joint pain. I have to stay away from hidden sources of MSG. Capsules alone are a hidden source.
I use RealSalt that doesn't have anything else in it. I do not get the flavored varieties. It is available in health food stores and on Amazon.
I stumbled on this post and remembered I had copied the constituents of Himalayan salt for a friend:
Here are the 84 constituents of Himalayan Salt:
hydrogen, lithium, beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, fluoride, sodium, magnesium, aluminum, silicon, phosphorus, sulfur, chloride, calcium, scandium, titanium, vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, nickel, copper, zinc, gallium, germanium, arsenic, selenium, bromine, rubidium, strontium, yttrium, zirconium, niobium, molybdenum, ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, silver, cadmium, indium, tin, antimony, tellurium, iodine, cesium, barium, lanthanum, cerium, praseodymium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium, hafnium, tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, osmium, iridium, platinum, gold, mercury, thallium, lead, bismuth, polonium, astatine, francium, radium, actinium, thorium, protactinium, uranium, neptunium, and plutonium
Amber. Our experience with bulging discs was horrible.
Ken could not work we went to several specialists.
Here is how we cured it.
First 1/2 tsp of baking soda reacted with apple cider vinegar add 1/2 glass of water and drink 1/2 hour after meals 2x a day 5 days out of seven. You can substitute 1 whole squeezed lime for acv. But Apple Cider Vinegar really helps pain but we alternate both. This improves digestion and circulation which his meds have most likely disrupted.
Hyaluronic acid we by in powder (expensive) or capsules from vitaminsbecause online. The are easiest to use and reliably clean and affordable.
10 capsules in a blender we use oster..8 to 10 oz of spring water 1/4 tsp of sea salt. Blend 10 or 15 seconds oster fits mason or ball jars then you just cap and store in frig. Apply to spine. It spoils after about a week and then remake. You can take 2 tbsp in water or Take 3 caps 3 or 4 x a day. This hydrates the spine and improves bone health
Remove all fluoride from his life.
Easiest way for men 1/4 tsp 1/8 tsp women of 20 mule team borax in 1 liter of water. To be used through the day in drinks like tea etc. I use mine in coffee making as it tastes icky unless ice cold. Adding lemon to water is another. 4 days out of 7. Displacing fluoride in bones is critical to healing. Many pain meds and antibiotics have fluoride in them so most likely he has much in his system.
Remove chlorine from environment and drinking water. In tub use fish tank dechlorinator. I buy sea chem 1 cap for 50 gallons. I buy sodium thiosulfate crystals from photographers supply on amazon or ebay if he showers. He takes one before showering. It also improves sleep. It also helps with overall pain management. 1 crystal a day removes chlorine.
If he can soak in tub is best but this can also be used with towels soaked and placed on back. 1/2 the tub recipe in bucket. 20minutes soak or application. Recipe...2 cups epsom salts for magnesium through skin 1 cup borax to displace more fluoride and add non acidic boron through skin 1 cap fish tank dechlorinator 1 cup hydrogen peroxide to oxygenate blood which improve healing.
Topical treatment. Buy magnesium flakes for spas sold at some health food stores or online. Put 60 % flakes in clean jar add 40 % mineral water. Let sit an hour shake you now have mag oil. Apply to spine this will sting some people so I put castor oil on first and then mag oil. The reason it stings is body is so low on mag this goes away after levels are up. Buy dmso online or farm co op. Back must be clean before starting this as dmso carries everything in. Add this to spine this will drive the mag oil through skin directly to spine. Some people smell of garlic after using dmso. Then this becomes an evening remedy. But we have not had a problem as everyone is different.
Tumeric drinks or pills help pain.
5 drops of mag oil in water 2x a day. This is relieving to many on pain meds as it helps constipation. But if he is a more runny stool person then magnesium malate which provides more malic acid to further pain relief.
Sodium ascorbate powder online or vitamin shoppe is vitamin c reacted with baking soda for optimal absorption. I add 1/2 tsp to each Apple Cider Vinegar or lime drink.
These things will get pain under control. To then deal with getting off meds etc.
Ken was in crazy pain and his meds hardly helped. But he had to have something. Within 3 days he was able to slowly wean off them. His whole health picture changed. Everyone is different.
The thing that really helped that and overall health was niacinamide. This is a godsend to relieve every aspect of health Ken took 1000mg. Several x a day through this as it helps digestion circulation depression anger impatience infection weaning off meds it only lasts in body 24 hours is a water soluable vitamin.
B comlex the only one on the market that has all the optimal and correct bs is swansons high dose activated b. 3x a week. Second choice is b-right. But I invest in the swansons for its overall health impact. It is energy and healing.
Selenium yeast 200mcg a day
Vitamin d3 in coconut oil from Solaray. 10,000 iu a day.
K2 from natto 200mg a day. This helps calcium go into the bone where it belongs and out of circulation.
Ideally I listed the things in order of importance. But we were not this organized to start. But you do what you can. With what you have to further his health and pain management.
Ken now works 12 hours a day 7 days a week as an industrial electrician climbing in and out of robots. Up and down ladders. He is healthy and pain free. We keep up with it to keep him in good working order. Ken is 60 years old.
Here is Ted from bangkoks chapter on spine pain. https://ted.earthclinic.com/cures/back-pain-relief2.html
He has further information and the whys and hows. I would also look at his spinal virus chapter as we used this also.
For future baths, if you pick up some cheesecloth at the grocery store, you can put your leaves in it, tie it with string and toss it in the tub. All the benefits with no mess. :)
Magnesium, Borax, Phosphorous +
In reply to Re: 16 Year Old Daughter With Degenerative Disc Disease --
Magnesium oil is a must but not enough for degenerative disc disease. You also need vitamin d, and bioavailable calcium through food like almonds, sesame seeds, dark greens, organic whey protein from 100% concentrate.
You need boron also. Spray a borax solution mixed with water on the degenerated area. (half a tea spoon with half a liter of water sprayed on the area twice a day)
you need to eat food high in Phosphorous.
You need to massage a mixture of clove oil 10% and castor oil 30% and extra virgin coconut oil 60%. This works like a charm but needs time in such situations. You also need to eliminate foods like wheat sugar fried food and junk food and grains, to stop fueling the underlying undiagnosed hidden body condition or major multiple malnutrition, that are causing your disc to degenerate. This is most vital to success and better than treating the symptoms on-site, to ensure future body harmony.
Yes, that is my basic remedy. Still.
Highlighting the pain management, the most effective pain relief component is fluoride removal. 1/4 tsp of borax, for men, in 1 liter of water, 4 days out of 7. Even if your water is clean. Manufacturers and stores are not.
Mag oil is the same. Topical or internal. You can supplement capsules, not pills. Mag malate, for runny stool types, citrate for constipated types. But we used the oil in water at the beginning.
Food, this change was over time but we adhere to it. Life changing changes.
- Chlorine, acts as chlorine steam in shower and bath. Protecting lungs and heart by elimination. See Teds information. Sodium thiosulphate.
- Titanium dioxide, a common additive, whitener in supplements, a nano particle, it can undo any benefit you might see from a nutrient.
- Coated cooking pans
- Aluminum, another undoer, deadly to brains
- Table salt, use sea salt for its outstanding amount of trace minerals, to enrich your efforts
- Vegetable oils, use butter or coconut oil instead.
The b complex I mentioned, or dessicated liver capsules. High in b vitamins, loaded with Amino's and enzymes, enhanced digestion.
At 60 we use both of teds alkalizing drinks 2 x a day. 1/2 hour after food, 5 days out of 7. The 1 whole lime, or 2 tbsp apple cider vinegar, reacted in a glass with 1/2 tsp baking soda. Let fizz. Add 1/2 glass of water and drink. Alternating the 2.
If it is in the small of his back, Ted has mentioned that it can be mycoplasma or a viral type problem. Then we use Teds lysine remedy. I had to simplify making this as we are a big family, making each separately was impossible. This is a virus killer. So is Teds h2o2 and baking soda remedy. 1 capful of food grade h2o2 in a glass of spring water, add 1/2 tsp baking soda and sip it. Either one.
This is the one we used in the beginning though.
3 spring water bottles, pour off 1/3 into a large measuring cup. Then pour another inch into the drain. In measuring cup. Add 1200 mg l lysine, 3000 mg of l threonine, 10 to 12 drops of methylene blue. 3000 mg sodium ascorbate, vitamin c. Whisk until dissolved. Pour back into bottles. Mark each with 4 equal lines, store in frig.
Take 1 marked dose 1x an hour for 4 hours in am. We have and 3rd shift schedule. So we accommodate the timing as best we can.
Methylene blue, from aquarium suppliers. It comes as a powder in a bottle. This stains, work on a glass plate. Vitamin c takes the stain awayaway, if spilled. Fill original bottle with distilled water carefully to first rim. Cap and shake. In a glass dropper bottle, almost fill with distilled water, using dropper add 2 droppers of m.b. cap and shake. Cap original bottle, save for refills. Leave some room for dropper to be put back in bottle.
Magnesium oil, 60% mag flakes, 40% spring water, in a mason jar. Let stand 1 hour. Cap and shake. I buy 16 oz spray bottles and fill those.
Castor oil pack. 5 folds of cotton flannel. In a ziploc, put fabric, add castor oil, use bag as squeegee to pull out. Spray with mag oil. Lay on old towel. Add pack, then saran, then heating pad on medium 20 minute. As often as possible.
We found that a 1 inch square of 5% lugols iodine painted on skin near area of pain, seems to boost pain relief.
Otherwise using Ted's iodine foot painting at bed time.
The most pain relief, removing fluoride, castor oil pack, Ted's alkalizing drinks. Ken did not have time to sit with packs all the time. I just put ingredients directly on his back. Let them soak in and wiped away excess so he could go.
Mag oil on feet before bed. Square of iodine.
All is available online or Amazon, our local co op sells all of it too.
High Dose Vitamin C
Folks need to know to in order to avoid GI problems like diarrhea, heartburn, stomach cramps, slowly increase dosage to individual tolerance.
Laser Light Therapy
Degenerated discs can be COMPLETELY regenerated with laser light therapy. Yes....completely. But no doctor is going to tell you that. Doctors who use it are mostly Chiropractors. So look up laser light therapy for discs. Laser light therapy is fast, convenient, and comfortable. It also cures Carpel Tunnel Syndrome (wrist problems - no surgery required! )
Also, MRIs show degenerated discs (not x-rays) and are more complete and safer than CT Scans because it is magnetic versus radioactive. (CT Scans can miss things and they are not that more less expensive than MRIs so I would go for MRIs - I would insist! Even if I have to pay out of pocket)
Lasers, in order to reach the spine, must be class IV. They must also work in pulses in order to have many Watts of energy per diode (for example 20Watts) and also in this way not to burn tissues (in a continuous mode they would). Some high peak Wattage lasers are class IIIB but are also good. They deliver high energy in spikes of time, so their average power is low and so is their class.
I don't want to advertise but here are the specs of a known good one:
Janet, thanks for sharing your back pain method. Did you use all the supplents mentioned everyday & do you still use them everyday and do you know whether his disc regenerated after using your wonderful supplements method? Sorry for so many questions, but I want to try this on my hubby who started suffering with lower back pain about 4 months ago & it has gotten so bad that he has taken a week off to just let his back & legs rest. On his job, for the past 5 yrs he operates a tow motor (hope I spelled that correctly) & sets a lot during the day on a hard seat. He has turned sixty & desire to work a little longer, if his back will allow him to. What diet change did you make if any? I truely believe the right foods makes all the difference in healing your body. Oh, the magnesium oil that you said you put 5 drops of in water, is that the same Magnesium oil that you buy to rub on your skin?
Thanks so much for your time!
Congratulations Jenna, The next time you do this treatment, just use the sea salt...About 2 cups in the bath water and let us know if it works the same...
There is no tissue in your body that your body can't replace. Stem Cells are remarkable that way.
Karen, it does.
Right, there is vit. C in the mixture, to act as a preservative. It is a small amount, equaling about 250 mg. Per dose. This dosing info is from Purebulk website, where they tell how to mix it. Go to the site, pull up "hyaluronic Acid" and just read their info. On there. Very enlightening, indeed. But according to the Dr. Who wrote "How to live 100 years without Growing" , Vit. C in the body reacts with any unbound iron that may be in the body to break down HA by becoming a "pro" oxidant, vs. The antioxidant we all understand Vit. C to be. He confirmed (in an email to me) that taking bioflavinoids like Quercetin (which is an iron-binder) will keep this from happening, thus allowing you to reap the benefits of HA AND vit. C at the same time. That's what his book teaches, anyway. And I emailed him to ask him again just to be sure. Just read the book for yourself to glean your own info and understanding of what he explains. The info I gave was what I took away from the book, though, and I have added quercetin to my own supplement regimen. Don't take my word for it, read for yourself, it's always good to come to your own conclusions. For the Dr's website who wrote "... Live 100 Years... ", type in keywords Bill Sardi, and you will find ample info on him and his books. Fascinating guy.
High Dose Vitamin C
Thank you for the information regarding Vit C. Can you forward some of your findings and research regarding Vitamin C? Very interested in your findings. Thank you
Avoid Hidden MSG
I'm confused, are you saying Himalayan Salt is a good, or bad thing?
There are many more bone and joint nutrients and as long as I keep researching, the list gets bigger. Calcium 1500 mg, magnesium 400-800 mg, phosphorus 300 mg, boron 2 mg, copper 2 mg, zinc 15-50 mg, (copper and zinc work as a team, and calcium/magnesium do too, but really, in this list there are an amazing number of team members, ), vitamin D 10,000 IU (look up Dr Sarfraz Zaidi's book the Power of Vitamin D- his practice is in Ventura, plenty of sun, he began to routinely test blood levels of D, only ONE of his patients had optimal levels - she was a lifeguard, in the sun 5 hours a day, 5 days a week in a swimsuit.- 15 mins on the arms a day is NOT going to cut it, but taking his case studies as a whole, most patients averaged out to need about 10,000 iu of oral D daily to have optimal blood levels.), vitamin K2 (5000 mcg of MK4 or 200 mcg of MK7 per like 1000 iu of vitamin D- another team), lysine, and now gelatin and collagen, don't forget collagen type II.
I would like to know Ted's remedy dosages for degenerated disc disease for a woman that weighs 205 pounds.
The best way to CURE degenerative disc disease is yoga... It will give you relief from the pain and agony. I suffered for almost five months and found a good yoga guru who cured me completely. I request all of them who suffer from any kind of back/spine problems to try Yoga once. You will experience a better life for sure.. Thankyou
I read your reply on DDD, is the degeneration completely gone for you after practicing yoga? Also what practices did your guru teach you for the same as I am a yoga teacher myself .
How can you heal DDD, cartilage doesn't grow back.
Laser Light Therapy
Yes, low level lasers can stimulate discs to heal over time. You can google it.
Laser Light Therapy
How strong does the laser need to be?
Post on degenerative disc disease - mention "8 caps per day". Is this typo error and should read "8 cups" or some other measurement? thanks for your consideration
To : Lisa from Lafayette
Is half hour before meal or one hour after meal fit the definition of empty stomach ?
Peter, that sounds fine to me. We usually take our morning dose right before breakfast (maybe 15-30 min) and the evening dose right before bed (we eat kind of late). My husband takes his mid day dose a couple hours after lunch, but I'm sure one hour after food would be fine. Good luck! By the way, my mom has been on it for 1 week, Purebulk's thicker recipe, 150 mg. Daily, and she said she can mow her back AND front yard now without getting tired at all. Before, she had to take a nap right after mowing (she's 76! ). She also said an excruciating knee problem has been cut down to 1/2, and is getting better daily. Did I tell you I get my HA powder from Ted's source, Purebulk? It's cheap, the molecular weight is medium (you simply can't find any low molecular weight HA in powder form ANYWHERE! ) and it's pure. So easy to use. Our first bottles, though, we used an HA powdered capsule that I just opened up and dumped into the bottle (10 of them at 50 mg. Each). More expensive that way.
Lisa, I'm not sure I follow this. You said that Vit C in body acts with any iron running around in there to break down the HA, which is not good but there is Vit C in the mixture.
So, about the Vitamin C and HA... Does that mean I should stop taking a vitamin c supplement while I'm taking the HA? And is HA something you continue to take your whole life? I'm just looking to get some relief from the degenerative disk in my neck.
HELLO SIR, please help me out by telling "how to measure 500mg", as by reading ur post about DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE. I ordered HA from purebulk.com...so pls help me out in measuring 500mg of this acid- waiting eagerly for reply. Thanks regards!!
Has anyone tried this solution recently? I'm a little hesitent to try it since those recommending it seem to have dropped off the posting board with no further updates.
Thanks for for this post, it's very insightful and gives me hope for the future. I have a disc bulge at L5S1 and have been in pain for a year- it's clearly not going to healing itself.
How much HA, in mg, should I take a day? Is 50mg once/ day enough? What molecular weight HA should I buy? I can't buy the purebulk brand as I've rather it was vegetarian friendly. :)
Thanks for for your time and help, Jo
Hi, how many time per day should the hyaluronic acid drink be consumed? Is it 500 cc once per day or more? Thanks.