Lichen Planus Remedies

Claudine, that is great to hear about your results! One question- when you say you take a shot of it, what amount would that be?

Can you please tell me which brand you are using? Thanks!!!

I had a flu shot. Was taken off a two yr stint with Prednisone. I went into fever, chills, nausea, my skin eruptions. I actually have just started the Pure Aloe. I am noticing less inflammation.

Hi...please can you tell me is this 100% pure aloe Vera juice that you've been drinking?

Can u tell me the type of aloe juice u use? And when u say a shot. How much is it. I have suffered from Lichen Planus since 2012. I have tried every vitamin regimen possible natural oils and creams to use, as well as numerous cortisone creams. Things had settled down to a manageable time until 2 months ago when I became over worked, stressed and a huge flare up happened over my entire chest, neck and under arm area. A new dermatologist is treating me with prednisone but it gives almost no relief. I wake up at 2:30 /3 am every day with insane itching. So I look EXTREMELY forward and hopeful that this may work. Any other ideas u have would b most welcome as anything may help my Bdy get sleep and relief. Thanks so much. Heading to buy some type of aloe today.

Cheryl, try coconut oil too. Spread thinly.

I see this conversation quite a while ago but I just found it looking for natural remedies.. this is what I found: Lily of the Desert. I don't know if that was the kind she used but it's a brown bottle and pure juice like she described and very inexpensive.

My oral lichen planus is getting worse and the burning too. I had some red rash under my breasts that was really itchy and didn't like the side effects of protopic so I tried aloe vera gel and after I put a cream that I made 50/50 coconut oil and cocoa butter. It took about 3-4 weeks for the itchiness to go away. Now, about 2-3 months later, the redness is almost all gone!

So then I decided to try to swish aloe vera juice in my mouth for the OLP. It burns but my gums turn light pink which is incredible to me since they are pretty much red. I also started swallowing about 1 oz because I have LP in the esophagus as well. It burned at first but now it does't anymore so I think it's working. Will try to take 2 oz now to see if it helps even more!

Question on your statement; Cured some age spots(Tinea) with Head & Shoulders Blue (Selenium Sulfide). Did you actually rub the Head & Shoulders Blue on your Skin to remove Age Spots?

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I have Lichenplanus since several years, it has spread to various parts of my body and has left scars. I have tried all possible treatmens homeopathy, ayurveda, naturopathy and have not had much succcess. Could someone please advice me on some remedy that may give me relief and reduce the scars. I am appreciative of any feedback provided. Do I try ACV, turmeric, borax, vitamin C, I am very confused as to the different theories behind this and remedies to try and get this problem under control. Please Please advice. Thanks Reema

Rich from Boca Raton:

Please advise whether you have cured you lichen planus and how?? I've had this for quite a few years now and it's frustrating! I can't believe there is no cure for this if it's so mild as doctors say! And no one can provide a straight forward reason as to how it comes about and a proper treatment aside from steroids.

To Reema, hope you have had some sucess with this, as I am at my limit with this!

Any feedback from anyone will help!

Ive had this on my ankle now for about 8 years... Got real tired of this and started reading, .. first off its a inflammatory disease.

so for that im taking 3200 mg of ibuprofen 800 mg every 6 hours (anti inflammatory) a day which slows the imune response... Im also takeing vitimin A, D, and zinc.. And putting neosporin on it.. Also taking benadryl.. ibuprofen is the same as motrin but I think the biggest amount you can get is 200 mg...

after the first day swelling went down 95 percent, does not itch, and is drying up nice... also broke out on my hands which is almost gone now.

vitimin A helps with skin, you need vitimin d to absorb the zinc better, zinc also helps with skin repair.

dont do more then 50 mg of zinc a day

mine was so bad that it was oozing and bleeding on my ankle

My son who is only 4 years old, was recently diagnosed with this horrible condition (Linchen Planus). We are trying to get as much information, and we are not afraid to use any new remedies that could aliviate him. He was even expulsed from day care until we brought a doctors note saying that it was not contagious. he scratches and it is hard to keep him away from doing it until sometimes he bleeds.

Please keep posting your experiences so that we all can learn from each other. Thank you

TO Geo41 (and Rich): Thank you for your posts. My heart breaks when I hear about a little four year old having this horrible problem. Let me tell you what I have learned if it will be of any help, particularly for the little four year old and all families.

My dermatologist is highly trained and yet, he has a holistic view of the body. He gets this from two points. (1) He grew up in Switzerland and has relatives there. (2) His mother in law changed her diet and got out of her wheel chair to play golf after being diagnosed with M.S.

I will get to my Lichen Planus story in a moment. But, let's cut to the chase.

I also have rheumatoid arthritis-been diagnosed for 17 years. Keep that in mind as I tell you the type of reading I've been doing. I am reading a book call "The War Within" by a noted researcher, Floyd H. Chilton, Ph. D. He has served on the faculties of Johns Hopkins University and Wake Forest University School of Medicine where he is currently a professor of physiology and pharmacology. He has written more than 110 articles and textbook chapters and holds 32 issued and 17 pending patents. That's from the book. This book was first released in 2005 under the title "Inflammation Nation" by Simon and Schuster.

I am also reading a book by the doctor's mother in law. I don't know the availability of this book, but I will tell you of her outcomes.

The bottom line is that whatever we are dealing with here is an inflammation response in the body. You have to go at this from the internal environment in the body and mind, as well as, the external environment of body and mind.

You need to start removing yourself from the poor food environment that we live in here in the U.S. Remove yourself from any processed food, which of course means you must give up eating out or picking up fast food. This includes things like condiments to food. Give up sugar and where it lurks in any form. This means give up white bread or pasta, spaghetti, doughnuts, etc. For adults give up alcohol. Alcohol is sugar. Give up gluten.

The mother in law who was never a cook learned to fix health food type of meals. They were delicious. She got rid of meat and poultry. Only fish. Dr. Chilton's book educates you about protein and what is recommended. The mother in law also (TAKE NOTE) was also battling a candida problem for 8 years before it got diagnosed. All these thing go together. Why? Inflammation.

All allergies, all chronic diseases, (Rheumatoid Arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, cancers, ) skin disorders, are inflammation responses in our body. We have been eating against what our natural bodies can tolerate for generations now and it is getting worse, isn't it? To hear that this is happening to a precious four year old makes me weep.

Here's another part of the Chilton book that is an eye opener... The fat on our bodies acts like an organ... The more fat we have the more it emits inflammatory messengers. Check out Chilton's words and research. An overweight, sedentary person has 60% more inflammatory messengers in the body than an lean, exercising person.

If this diet is affecting one member of the family, the diet is affecting everyone in someway or the other. Get everyone on the same diet. Chilton offers daily menus to help out. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.

This is a must.... You must keep a journal everyday... Write down everything.. Including what changes you notice in feelings and mood, successes and set backs, what is happening within the family, everything. This is the basis for your research, your cause and effect. You will be frustrated and your head will be spinning if you don't do this. Get things down on paper so you can go back and read. This is a journey. There will be "set backs". These are important clues! Never think of a set back as negative.

The doctor said that the most impressive cure that he read about for LP came from a person who was a very high powered type going all over the world. He broke out in Lichen Planus and nothing was working. Then he got diagnosed with a chronic disease. He totally and radically changed up everything. His schedule, his lifestyle, his diet, his exercise, his mental health. The lichen planus went away.

This is why lichen planus is said to be related to stress. That's why you have to journal. Stress in the body is not only what is happening on the outside, but what stress is being produced by the negative reactions to food and drink on the inside. Try as much as possible to eat organic. For instance, coffee has 200 pesticides in it. That will cause stress to the liver and the body. This is an onion thing. You keep peeling off the layers. This is a journey. But, walk it faster than slower.

Remember that for a four year old the loss of a favorite toy could bring on as much stress as the loss of a job to an adult. I'm watching a three year old grandson react to having a new baby sister. Oh, brother. I've learned that some children are much more sensory irritated by stimuli than others.

I will try any topical or vitamin etc. that I find posted. But, I think it's because I am on a powerful immunilogical medicine for my RA that this lichen is not into my eyes, or mouth like some. The spots are becoming larger, but not itching, like the first outbreak. I take salt baths in warm water. Two big cheap boxes of iodized salt poured into the bath. I soak, close my eyes in darkness. Love it. Very relaxing. The salt seems to reduce the redness and make the spots feel better. Doesn't burn or anything. This is one of those stress reducing things you need to work into your days. Look for things like that. My next thing is to start looking for info on candida as this is on my list.

My husband is on the same program as he is fighting diabetes. We read labels, menus together. Don't let all of this fall on one of the parents. Help each other and the whole family learn to get unstressed. Watch T. V. Content for children. In fact stop watching so much and get active with each other.

So this is a huge post, isn't it? I'd love some replies. I, too, will keep posting, but here you have my plan of getting to wellness. I hope some of it helps. BTW my lichen planus started when one of my children developed thyroid cancer. She had a great outcome. Now she, too, is focused on reducing inflammation. Onward and upward.

I have to share my experience here because one year ago my 6 year old was diagnosed with lichen planus through a biopsy. We were thrilled to finally have a name to put with the horrible skin reaction that had covered our son's body (only his face and mouth were clear) and lost as to what to do next. The doctor prescribed three meds. The steroid cream I had to apply to his body using rubber gloves because I was going through steroid treatment for pneumonia (second time I had it). That was scary for me. Every time I would put it on him I would think, "I'm supposed to treat this child with this strong steroid indefinately?! ". The next drug was just supposed to put moisture back on his skin but it was new and I was nervous since I was the victim of a new drug that was later recalled for disasterous side effects. The third was to help him sleep and not scratch his skin at night. We gave that to him once or twice but it knocked him out cold and it was difficult to get him to wake up the next morning.

I know we could have lowered the dosage, etc. But something in me snapped. I was sick and tired of everyone in my family being sick and tired. I searched everywhere on the internet for a cure, including this site. Nothing worked. Then I stumbled across the website drmcdougall.com. I read it all night (I have chronic insomnia too). We had tried so many things that I decided we could try eating the ultra-healthy mcdougall way. It was hard, but it wasn't a pill that might be recalled in a few years. We eliminated all fats, dairy, processed foods (even the processed vegetarian stuff), meat, oils and sugar. We ate a ton of vegetables, fruits, potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, barley, beans, quinoa... You get the picture.

Within a week, the swelling went down on the lichen planus sores. Within two weeks we noticed that he had less spots. Within a few months his hair in the places he had lost it actually started to grow back! Shortly after that, he was completely symptom free! The whole family followed the diet (my teenager bought junk at school for the first while and then even that little bit became unappetizing) and we are all finally healthy again. I got over my asthma, pneumonia, even my arthritis pain went away completely, other family members went through winter without getting sick... Not even a cold! My husband and I lost weight and the kids have continued to grow at the same rate they did before. Now we eat the mcdougall way about 90% of the time. When my son spent two weeks at grandma's this summer his lichen planus came back on his back, arms and legs. A few weeks of eating the mcdougall diet helped him to become symptom free again.

I really hope this helps someone. I hope you try it. Everything on mcdougall's site is free. So it really won't cost you anything. We bought one book of his after we were already seeing results because I wanted to be thourough. I also bought a mcdougall cookbook after a while. It isn't necessary though since he lists a lot of recipes for free anyway. I felt that I needed more recipes since this is our lifestyle now and not a diet per se.

I was rather fascinated by your post and think it is fantastic news that you and your family got help.

I looked up the Mcdougall diet as and didn't really like the reviews I read. Especially for those suffering from hypoglycemia etc. The site called give it to me raw reviews diet and I suggest anyone who thinking about trying this diet read some of the reviews of this high carb, zero fat and little protein diet. Here in my country of origin low carb diets and high fat diets seem to becoming more and more popular for dealing with not only weightloss but diabetes, high blood pressure and the horrible pms. This low carb diet is reccomended by doctors here, can't imagine living life without those yummy avacados or even worse without that amazingly healthy cocconut oil!

Peace

We love avocados too. In fact, this is where our diet is different than McDougall's because we aren't trying to lose weight too. We eat avocados, nuts, seeds etc. Basically, if it came from the earth, we eat it. The only exception is honey but he doesn't seem to react to it. We have a little ham on American Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oh, we also, don't have processed soy stuff very often either (tofu, etc). I guess you would say we follow McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss without any of the rules about amounts.

As for coconut oil, we used to love it too. But now that we don't cook with oil, oil tastes soooooo slimy. We eat coconut instead of just the oil for the health benefits. It is a little challenging to find shredded coconut without sugar all over it here in the USA so more often than not we just buy the whole coconut. Honestly, we love the way our food tastes (this, coming from a beef-eating Texan) and the smell of meat is now sickening to me, the smell and taste of dairy is a weird cow pasture quality to it. We feel incredible eating this way. I know it is not for everyone. A lot of people tell me they couldn't eat this way and I respect their decisions. For me, personally, it is easier to eat this way than watch my child go through the pain, suffering and emotional, as well as physical scarring of this disease. He is almost 8 now and he will have the random slice of pizza, cookie, etc, and the spots come out on his back within a few days. But we don't worry because we know they will go away.

I was diagnosed with Oral Lichen Planus several months ago by my ENT. In reply to the oral manifestation of Lichen Planus, I can only speak for what has worked for me, but it seems many others share similar beneficial results. One common denominator appears to be pro-inflammatory foods, and I would add that another trigger seems to be stress.

I noticed many of my leukoplakia lesions quite literally "sloughed" off by chewing raw garlic all day (which has potent natural antibacterial and anti-fungal properties). Garlic in combination with a vegetable and fruit (fruits like strawberry and blackberry) heavy diet seemed to keep my symptoms at bay, but once I introduced sugar and baked foods (a lapse during a holiday celebration), my plaques and lesions came back. I knew it had to be the refined sugars and processed carbohydrates because as soon as I eliminated them, and started chewing garlic and drinking green tea again, my symptoms went away (i.e. the oral lesions).

The other thing that seems to exacerbate my symptoms is fixation on my jaw/mouth, and stress. When I'm stressed, I have the bad habit of concentrating tension in my mouth, and getting dry mouth. These habits are definite triggers, as any time I fixate on that area, or have inordinate amounts of stress, physical symptoms appear in my mouth. When I take things to control my cortisol (things like L-Theanine with Relora), or work on relaxation techniques preoccupying myself by keeping stress away from my jaw and mouth and out of my body in general, the symptoms subside. The difference is a marked, pronounced decrease in Lichen Planus lesions and ulcers.

In combination, both stress relief and a strict diet that eliminates refined sugar and carbohydrates seems to be my "cure" if you can call it that. I'm conscious of eating a healthier diet now, and keeping stress at bay, as both appear to be a 2-pronged effective therapy. I highly recommend that people add garlic, and cool (not hot) green and black tea to their diets. I saw noticeable results doing both.

MY WIFE HAS THIS LICHEN PLANOPILARIS I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR HAIR YOU LOSE IT FOR GOOD. WE NEED HELP IS THERE A CURE?

Llp from Houston,

I know your post is from 2011 but I was wondering if you could update us on the latest status for your son and if you are still following the diet?

I was diagnosed with LP and LPP 9 months back and am struggling with it. I am on cellcept and also following a strict vegetarian diet for the last few weeks. My LPP seems to be better - the patches are lighter pink and I dont see any new patches. MY LP also seems better though I do see very very small bumps or just some rough skin in places and do think it is a very mild form of LP.

If you saw such wonderful results I would seriously consider following the McDougall diet.

Thanks and hoping you will reply.

Alka from Coppell, TX

I was diagnosed with oral lichen planus a couple of years ago and despite the specialist dentist (major hospital) telling me little could be done, I found his advice to be (thankfully) incorrect. When I enquired about the possibility of the condition being related to medication, he said it was 'possible' but 'unlikely' and 'too difficult to determine.' Not being satisfied with this answer, I researched various drugs connected with the condition and went through a process of elimination. The end result? I can confirm that my lichen planus was indeed drug induced and was also being exacerbated by a certain toothpaste I was using. Fortunately, the dentist in question knew about the link between amalgams and lichen planus, so I have started having various teeth refilled/removed as a result. I strongly recommend that people research matters for themselves, as we must become our own (health) advocates.

Can you tell us what drug induced your LP, and also the brand of toothpaste that further aggravated it? I am convinced my LP was caused by statin drugs.

Thanks for all the effort you put in posting your recovery. It is very helpful. I do have a question. I notice you are putting vitamin c plus iodine in your milk. I know that vitamin c will neutralize iodine and iodine as an oxidative affect and c being anti-oxidative. My question does adding these to milk keep the c from neutralizing the iodine?

Dear PR,
Excellent Question about the Iodine. The truth is that I'm learning as I go. I don't know the answer, and am working on theoretical models, based on reading the reports on here, and then following up with my own research on why these cures seem to work, maybe 3 hours per day.

What I have noticed is that all of these substances on this website are anti-infectives. And in fact, they are all anti-fungals. No matter which anti-fungal I try, I get positive results.

With Garlic, I am taking a 1500 mg pill, which is really 3 mg of 500:1 concentrated oil. So it's basically 3mg of Fat-Soluble sulfer. I've read reports of a guy taking 80,000 mg (160 mg Sulfer?) of Garlic slowly built up over time, and curing rosacea. Nice. Perhaps a glucosamine Sulfate pill would get the job done instead... maybe. Note: Glucosamine HCL can't beat the placebo... so I don't think that the Glucosamine half does anything.
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On the anti-oxident question, you're right that an Ascorbate or Acetate has both an anti-oxidant plus a pro-oxidant aspect to it. Vitamin C is very poor at killing fungus, but in ascorbate form, it can do something.

With the mega-dose of Ascorbate (which is also used in water treatment, btw), only so much will go in the blood... and the rest acts like toothpaste for the intestines. You can even brush your teeth with the stuff. Nice. Placed in milk, you can't taste it.
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I'm thinking that the mouth condition is an early form of gum-disease, that may lead to "Chronic Mucosal Candidadis".

Apparently, Candida has a mechanism to break down lysine, which is a limiting amino acid necessary to produce collagen. So I've added 2400 mg of L-Lysine to promote faster healing.
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I have also tried something new on Saturday with positive results. I tried to heal up my body as good as possible with all the vitamins and stuff listed above.

Then I gargled with a lot of colgate total for 10 minutes. I could see some fungally damaged skin and pockets of skin(common in gum disease) seep out of my gums and cheeks, and some white stuff that looked like fungal candida. This hurts, though.

Then two hours later, I tried it again. Then rinsed with diluted ACV(which also hurts).

What I think is that Sulfate is the best antifungal (Sulfur plus Oxygen), and that mixed with the H202(in the toothpaste as well), allows for deep tissue penetratation. Plus this toothpaste has a neutral ph plus an antibiotic.

Of course, after I did this, my mouth filled up with lots of skin-like white stuff, which I figure is your mouths natural-way of scabbing.

5-days later, it feels like I have a new mouth (perhaps I do). The toungue is light red(Yes!). The dark blue vericose-like veins under the tongue have practically vanished. The white lesions on the side of my mouth have improved somewhat as well. I believe that I have succeeded in healing faster than the candida can grow. I really wish I had bought some ph strips to test my saliva, though.

I have no doubt that I didn't kill it all in 1 shot, but perhaps I got 90 or 95% of it in 1 shot, and maybe if I repeat the process this weekend, I can get the rest of it... I'm giving my mouth a week to heal first, though.

But yeah, I've had a red-tounge that isn't turning white again for 5 straight days which is a record, so I'm pretty excited about the results (Note: I've had a white tongue for 10-years)(Never a yeast like taste in my mouth until a few months ago, though). I kind of wanted to wait a few more weeks to see if this is a long-term cure before posting, but I didn't want to leave your question hanging in wait.

In a gum disease topic here, I saw someone had some success with Turmeric. Besides the curcurminoids, Turmeric is high in Sulfur. Nice.

As for milk, it has a slightly acidic ph, but adding the ascorbate raises it. Milk has lactoferrin, Iodine, Sulfur, plus Lactose... if you drink milk and exercise, you can create lactic acid(which kills the yeast-form of candida), far quicker than acidophilus. Some people love the stuff, I haven't tried it, but I believe it's easier just exercising to create lactic acid and using the ACV cure(Acetate), plus the other stuff can kill this stuff in a couple of weeks, rather than waiting 6 months for the Acidophilus to work.

On the Mega Doses of Vit C, do you just buy straight Absorbic Acid with nothing added like Bioflavnoids or Rose Hips? Also any side effects of the ACV ?

Hello my name is Natia n I was diagnosed with this nasty sick looking disease as well lichen planus has went from my breast down to the bottom of my feet I didnt no what it was I was sooo scared to be seen. It started in july 2011 didnt c dermo til mid sept 2011 but a friend seen it n was in shocked so he said use chamomile loction and I did n it dried it out alot but wen I got to the dermo they looked at me n said omg. So dey did a biopsy and diagnosed me with l. P. And the gave me mertronidazole. And I took 500mg twice a day for 30days n it was gone but the marks was there n started to fade. And its all over my body I dont think a man wants to look at me n I'm 30yrs old single with two sons.. So any way june 2012 its back- its on my feet in im jus praying to god that I dont suffer like last yr cus it messes with my mental smh so now I'm back on the mertro pills again and tryna change my diet cus from what I'm reading I c def no suger. Well I also need support n a cure so we need ppl to do more research on this n its prob one small thing that can kill this disease.. Well if we keep praying hard enough god will hear our crys.. Anyone can help me plz call I'm desperate at this point 518-271-1347 thx natia shim:(

To Natia from Troy, Ny - I too am suffering from L. P with no results. I started in Jan 2011, was sent for blood tests twice and liver panel check. Then referred to a hemotologist for extensive blood work. They then sent me to a dermotologist who diagnosed the L. P. The condition continued to get worst. He tried steroids (shots first) then orally with no result. The condition continued to spread. It had started on the insides of my forearms. Moved up to my armpits, chest, back and insides of thighs. He tried a mild antibiotic which had no effect, then gave me a medication his patients with acne uses containing Tetracycline. Nothing worked and the condition continued to spread and get worst. There is very little itching if any (actually scratching hurts... I can only softly rub these areas when they itch. I went to two 'Grand Rounds' at UC Hospital (where a team of drs, nurses, etc. Examining me and asking questions... All said it was 'A Mystery! ' with only a suggestion of 'light' treatments may work. The derm wanted to try UVB light treatments for about 1 month, but the cost to me was close to $100 a week. I asked him if I could get the same result from a tanning bed and he replied yes. I should try it and then return to him if necessary. Needless to say, I never went back to him. I did try the tanning bed... But no positive results. It only tanned my already dark complexion making the spots less noticeable.

It's been nearly a year and although some of the original spots have faded, others are much worse and the areas have grown so much in size. I have patches that cover my whole inner thighs. When I visited my gyno back in Feb, she said I should be thankful it's not on my face. In fact, the only areas it hasn't hit yet is my face and fmy lower legs. The derm did suggest that I am definitely a candidate for the Mayo Clinic. I'm headed back to my GP in a couple of weeks and hope he has some other suggestion. I may ask him about the medication you took. I'll post after my visit at the end of the month. Although no one seems to know what we have and have never seen anything like this before, it is some what comforting to know that I am not alone. Perplexed in Cincy.

To Natia, I have LP as well. Mine are the size of quarters and they are all over my body except for my face. I'm 48 yrs old can't wear shorts or dresses anymore. When I do wear short sleeve shirts people stare at me. I know that my skin is ugly but I am a VERY BEAUTIFUL PERSON IN THE INSIDE. I know that it's hard to look at sometimes but don't give up OK. If you ever need to talk to someone email me at bigmo2799 (at) yahoo (dot)com. Remember, you are not alone we will get through this!! KEEP YOUR HEAD UP HIGH!

to 32-y.o. Rich of boca raton. your white tongue - "thrush" - indicates your immune system is still overwhelmed by chronic systemic yeast. i had it for decades. read Dr. Crooks' The Yeast Connection. there are also other good books at your health foodstore/pharmacy which deal with chronic systemic yeast. i tried fluconazole but longterm solution is careful diet and detoxifying your environment. you MUST conquer your chronic systemic yeast, or else you will get worse health problems because your immune system is overwhelmed by yeast. i'm 57-y.o. and been there. in my case, i had to overcome various junkfood addictions, about which i was in profound denial. beware, and good luck.

My thought is that Infected Gums + Acidosis leads to Fungus. As the fungus spreads, more stuff gets infected, plus the bacteria can "leak out" of the weakened gum lining (weakened by the fungus), and spread infection elsewhere, like the back of the throat, esophagus, and elsewhere.

Solved. This "Autoimmune Disease" is caused by the Demodectic mite, and is analogous to Demodectic Mange in dogs, and is potentially life threatening.

This mite causes a "Staph Infection" in your cheeks. This leads to acidic saliva. This leads to a "Geographic Tongue". The Geographic tongue is an algae or fungus, which spreads to your cheek lining, weakening the cheak lining, and allowing mouth bacteria to infect your cheeks. This in turn makes the problem worse, causing a form of Gum Disease of the cheeks, allowing the staph infection to spread to the rest of your body.

BTW, staph bacteria loves fish oil, so no fish oil while treating this.
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Treatment: #1 the common treatment for Scurvy, or the Mouth wound that doesn't heal is "1000 mg of Vitamin C per day." This will raise the ph of your saliva, kill the staph bacteria, and cure the "geographic tongue".

#2 to prevent this from coming back, you need an insecticide that kills mites. I added borax to my shampoo. My face lit up like a christmas tree. Perhaps you can use a lice shampoo or an "enzymic mite killer", as well. Or ask your doctor.

If following the borax method, a boron supplement might be a good idea. Also you can buy hand soap with borax.
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It turns out that while going on my diet, I stopped drinking OJ to cut calories. This made the problem worse. And then when I went on an anti-candida diet, trying to reduce sugar by reducing juices to try and fix the "geographic tongue"... it made it even worse.

Hmm... then again Pallagra or black tongue has a white tongue sometimes. Could be a Vitamin B defficiency or intestinal parasites causing the problem.

ok. Lichen Planus of the mouth is either staph or strep or the root canal bacteria(ie. infected tooth).

The Staph variation, comes from the demodex mite. This is also known as Pellagra.

Treatment is large doses of Vitamin C and B3-Niacin or Niacinamide. Niacin has two functions. #1, it is used to convert LDL and Triglycerides to HDL. It basically starves the staph. #2 Niacin in plants is an insecticide. It can form NAD or NADP and kill off insects in the body.

On the Vitamin C front, basically Vitamin C is being used to kill the staph, and so basic operations like skin repair, collagen production, and an alkaline tongue are neglected... leading to further infection.

Pellagra, or Demodex Staph, is a curable disease, though.

No fish oil... There is a scientific study of staph feeding on Fish Oil.

Good information I have been using Niacin time release 250 mg at bed time it is making me feel better this is true. I had to ignore the flushing side effect.

I have some new thoughts on this disease.

Although I've had "lichen planus" for 7 years, I recently experienced the "AutoImmune symptoms". Plus I've had these mouth problems for 6 months.

For the "Oral Lichen Planus" sufferers, I believe that I'm finally on the road to recovery. It would seem that the root cause of my Oral Lichen Planus was a staph infection, that I missed.

6 months ago, part of the inside of my cheek had turned black, then the skin fell off, then I got a lesion that seemed to keep growing.

2 weeks ago, I experimented with mega-c... I popped 6 pills in 3 hours. Of course, too much c will give you diarrhea. It seemed that I induced a cold 2 days later. However, I had a feeling of ADD(perhaps it was mild dimensia?). I had trouble following 3 sentences. I took a super-b complex pill, and within 20 minutes, this feeling was gone, and hasn't come back.

I kept on the mega-c protocol, and within 3 days, the lesion was gone(not completely healed, but gone). ACV couldn't cure this, so I'm pretty sure it was staph. Perhaps it wasn't the demodex bug like I had speculated before... perhap I just ate some bad food/corn.

I bought some sodium ascorbate from amazon, and have kept up the mega-c protocol (upping to 6000mg/day). Mega-C is a treatment for Periodontal Disease. The mechanism seems to be to raise saliva ph, kill bacteria, and help repair damaged salivary glands, which produce candida-killing hystamines and defensin-b.

So although I attribute my recent problems to a staph infection, Heliobacter Pylori can cause the same problem, along with some other bacterias.

If you're seeing thrush, certainly increasing antifungals isn't a bad idea either. (ACV, Borax, Niacinamide, Garlic(Sulfur), Walnuts(Gallic Acid) )
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For the 7 year lichen planus problem, I now attribute this to skin fungus. It seems I had dandruff, which is caused by a fungus, and Jock Itch which is caused by a fungus. If you scratch your head or elsewhere, then you can get this skin fungus on your finger-tips, and then spread it elsewhere (since skin fungus is mildly contagious).

For the other person that mentioned the fish oil... on this strange allergy that only affected part of one arm... I tried the diluted bleach remedy, 1 cap to a cup of water. The skin turned brown in 2 days, and was healed in 2 weeks. I believe that I had fungus-damaged skin, that got infected by some sort of bacterial buildup in my blood. So the bleach killed the bacteria, and the fungus, and the fungally-damaged skin.

For the hand problems, soaking your hands in ACV or Baking Soda/ACV/Borax mix should clear them right up. I had some success with drinking diluted Vinnegar (Acetic Acid and Acetate kills fungus).
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For the Lichen Plano-Pillaris sufferer, my remedy is that I have added two teaspoons of Borax to my Selenium Sulfide Head and Shoulders. Now this shampoo seems to actually work. Dandruff is 95% relieved.
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So my current regimen is:
Drinking 2x per day:
ACV neutralized with baking soda,
1/8 teaspoon borax
2000 mg Vitamin C
Orange Juice

I've added a garlic pill(sulfur) and a Niacinamide pill 2x per day as well.

Everything seems to be reversing pretty quickly, but it might take a few more weeks.
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For rheumatoid arthitis sufferers, I've been told that walnuts, which have Gallic Acid (a strong anti-fungal), will help alot.

TO RICH FROM BOCA RATON

I'm wondering if you were ever able to fully recover from Skin Lichen Planus. I have had this thing for 5yrs now and no one can provide a straight answer to date..

ANY feed back would be great!

Rich from Boca Raton!!!

Please advise your exact dosage of ACV. Were you taking 2 tbsp 2x a day? I'm currently taking 1 tsp diluted in a glass of water with 1/8 baking soda as I really don't want to mess up my teeth.

Feedback is appreciated!!!!!! Or has ANYONE tried this succesfully?

I'm also on a niacin vitamin and zinc both once a day. is this okay?

I had Lichen Planus 7 years ago. Tried everything. Felt so bad about my body that I wanted hide in a closet! Then the doctor gave me Sorriatane 10mg. Lichen Planus went away within 2 weeks. Then it started itching again and saw a dermatologist, now he gave me same creams, warm water bath treatment. It is spreading all over again and no sleep at night. Today he gave me sulpha drugs as an antibiotic to cure the rash and itch! Hope it works! I will keep you posted. He refused to give me Sorriatane because he said that it is a dangerous drug!!!

I have this lichen planus since 2000!!! Absolutely no cure, no relief. Very very very very frustrated in life because of the itching.

I was taking large does of niacin to help with my depression and then now I have LP and gross fingernails and hair falling out. Does large doses of niacin cause LP?

HI first get rid of the thrush. Then try vaseline with the cortisone cream or (over) and/or even on its own. It will improve it...

Pure,

Do you drink the black seed oil and coconut/Vitamin E oil for LP on mucous membranes or do you have it on your external skin and rub it on? Thank you.

How do you use it plz

Fungal Arthritis.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/fungal/Fungal_Arthritis_Mycotic_Cause_Diagnosis_Symptoms_Treatment.htm

Niacin time release works I take one at bed time the body heals its self in sleep. Flushing I believe is the Fungal reaction trying to survive it scared me at first I refuse to let it win.

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Pellagra causes a variety of symptoms affecting the skin; mucous membranes (moist linings of the mouth, organs, etc.); central nervous system (including the brain and nerves); and the gastrointestinal system. The classic collection of symptoms includes redness and swelling of the mouth and tongue.

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/pellagra.jsp

I hope u have found a solution to your yeast issue by now. In case you haven't, I would suggest first a mild colon cleanse, probiotics, eliminating all starchy carbs, fermented foods and fungus foods like mushrooms. Focus on greens and lean protein. Try taking krill oil instead of fish oil and try internal cleanses for yeast and fungus. It takes 3-12 months to get rid of yeast. Good luck.

I, too, have Lichen Planus in my mouth and also systemically. I have been taking Boron at 3 mg./day with no change. I also take LDN and have started the low Oxalate diet, along with many supplements, but no change. Are you taking the 1/8 t. 20 Mule Team Borax in 1 liter of water per day? Is there anything besides the Vitamin C you are taking? I would love to get rid of this but haven't found much that makes a difference. Thanks for posting and please update if you can.

OMG... Happy to be reporting back. I am what I feel is LP FREE!! Iv'e been using Borax 1/8 tsp 2x daily, since May 1, 2012 it's now Oct 2, 2012 and my mouth is beautiful, my stomach doesn't burn, and my below the belt has not had any reactions since May. I am now begining to reintroduce some of the foods that I couldn't tolerate and I'm doing back flips over my progress with Borax.

Based upon my initial reaction to the Borax, I cut the medication Placquinel down by 1/2 and 2 weeks later cut it out completely (I've also had tremendous problems with my eyesite due to the Placquinel).

I take B-6, C, fats (fish oils, tonalin, blackcurrant, & occassional evening primrose), magnesium, zinc, and Ultra H-3, MSM and HMB for my muscles (I do classical ballet 5 days a week at 47 and my training is intense).

The only thing I'm still struggeling with is YEAST... Does anyone have any suggestions for YEAST? I don't do sugar, fruits, or carbs, so I eat really healthy. I do drink coffee (1x per day) and I like an occassional glass of wine. Other than that, no sodas, teas, or fancy carbonated beverages. Its gotten really bad and I've had it now for years. I realize YEAST can lead to a number of illnesses and this scares me. Lately I'm more irritable then ever before, more congested (post nasal drip, lungs, etc), and more stressed out than ever before.

Any other remedies like Borax for LP to cure systemic YEAST? Thank you to everyone who blogs here. In deep gratitude for all of you, TED, and EarthClinic!!

Live~n~well In Aptos, Ca

PLEASE someone send me the exact measurements for the Apple Cider Vinegar and borax. why aren't they on here? I am interested in trying it but I cannot without more information. Thank you!

Thank for the posting about borax healing sores from lichen planus!!! I've only used a few days and all the ulcers are gone and my tongue is pink again!! Haven't had any side effects either!! I've had this for over a year tried everything from purslane, vitamins, lymphatic drainage and nothing has gotten rid of it but borax!!!! I'm so grateful to have found the information!!!

I have been diagnosed with Lichen Planus 3-4 months back. Have been on steroids since then but of no help. Now I'm taking homeopathic treatment. Initially it noticed a very good result but now after seeing new lesions again. Just wondering if I can use borax. Please let me know how to use and the quantity.

Hi Anjali,

It is not that easy to treat this condition by just taking the steroids, but unfortunately that is the line of action in the western medicine.

You will have to follow three prong strategy, control of stress, diet and external application. You have asked about the use of Borax, make a concentrated solution of Borax with water and apply it two to three times a day on the affected area, keep it for an hour or so and then can wash it. Also try to alkalize the body with sodium bi carbonate, apple cider vinegar etc. You will get good results. Good luck

Baldev(09322887066)

Can someone tell me exactly how I should use the borax. Was it a paste that he/she applied, or do you drink it and at what strength. Thank you.

I am so relieved to know that I am not by myself on dealing with LP. My struggle with LP has been going on for 6 months now and the things I've tried a few to mention like oatmeal baths, glycerin soap, shea butter, and many other things has not worked. I am dealing with lesions on a mass amount of my body especially my buttocks, calfskin and thighs. Do you think the Borax and anything else mentioned may help me?

I've used vinegar for yeast. Seems to work good for me

Hi Baldev,

I am suffering from skin LP from past 7-8 years with no luck with steriodal and cartisone creams. On stopping the steriodal medication(oral), I have been hit by LP more badly, so now I am trying out on the natural remedies like aloe vera. Can you please suggest any other home remedies? if you are aware other than the Borax application to the lesion.

TIA

Siddeswari

Hi Anjali,

I sugest not go for steroidal treatment for LP event hough it is mostly recommended by dermatologists, as it only relieves it for few months. When you stop your steroidal treatment (especially oral medication) it reverts and the lesions become more aggresive. I am dealing it with for past 7-8 years and this was my observation. Try to go for more natural remedies, such as use applying aloe vera gel and consumption of the juice.

Also, let me know if you have found some home remedy to treat.

Regards,

Siddeswari

Hi Siddeswari,

Tumeric has been found to be effective in healing oral Lichen Planus. Not sure what kind you have, but since turmeric is widely available, maybe give it a try, both orally and topically. Best wishes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3961895/

Hi Siddeswari,

Sorry to read that you are suffering from LP for pretty long time. Aloe vera is good, you can continue taking it internally and application. Borax is very effective on LP which also should be used internally and for application. For internal use you can mix 1/8th tea spoon of Borax in one litter of filtered water and drink this water whole day, only precaution you have to take is that don't drink this immediately before and after the meal. I prefer that this be stored in a glass bottle.

Also you have to change the life style, meaning you have to avoid stress/strain situations, include some exercise ( you must sweat ) in your daily schedule and most important your diet. Your diet has to be more on the alkaline side, I will even suggest taking enema to clean the colon.

Good Luck

Baldev

Yes to borax for candida and other fungi such as athletes foot. Please read "the borax conspiracy" online. Good recipe for a solution concentrate of borax. I've been taking the equivalent of 30 mgs daily. Candida gone, bones rebuilding (Xray proof), hoping to eliminate mercury and fluorine toxicities but need to confirm that w hair analysis. It's magical stuff and perfectly safe.

I have a bad flair up of Oral Lichen Planus. Have been rinsing mouth with Fluocininide Gel 60 gm 0.05% sol'n once every 2 days per my doctor's advice, but mouth and tongue are very raw.

You guys keep referring to Ted and his great advice - where do I find Ted or his advise? Also can each of you be more specific regards solutions that work- i e do you drink these solutions or just rinse with them?

Thanks,
Gladys

Hi Gladys, I do not really know much of this ailment but I have successfully treated mouth sores, skin rashes etc with raw honey which is available in abundance in the US. Just take a mouthfull and with your tongue soil the mouth cavity and try to leave it in your mouth for as long as possible. Try this as many times as you wish and find it necessary. If, however, you are diabetic, just as a precaution, you might want to spit out the honey after having left it in your mouth for as long as you could. Hope it works - raw honey is a miracle product.

We want to know the safe proper way to take borax for lichen planus

Dear Stephanie, If a cat or dog started getting a patch of white hair followed by hair loss, the diagnosis would be ringworm (which is a fungus). So I believe ted's advice is all correct.

For pets with dandruff, their is a shampoo with 2% acetic acid, 2% boric acid... which is supposedly more effected than some of the azole drugs.

My suggestion is to buy some Selenium Sulfide dandruff shampoo, and add a couple of tea-spoons of borax to it. Let it sit for 5 minutes before rinsing off. If it's a fungal problem, this will kill the fungus within a few weeks.

To try to get your hair back, if you're one of the lucky 15% who can get their hair back, Sulfur(Garic Pills), and Super-B complex(B-6) may do the trick(after 3 months). Adding an extra vitamin c per day to boost your immune system and repair damaged cells wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Note: This in addition to Ted's suggestions.

I am confused though as Ted says to give your body a rest after a few days, but I don't see this in reader's cures.

-- Everything in moderation. Ted is right. It would be nice to kill all the bad stuff off in 2 days... unfortunately, then you overload your kidneys with bad stuff, among numerous other problems. Extra water seems like a good idea to help avoid this problem.

Vitamin B and C are at least water soluble, and are tougher to overdose on. I'm kind of fond of Sodium Ascorbate, after reading the Linus Pauling research. Too much ascorbic acid will give you diarhea. You can always create Sodium Ascorbate from Neutralizing Vitamin C with Baking Soda.. or getting some Sodium Ascorbate from Amazon or elsewhere, if you want to try higher doses. It seems like neat stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerion

Kerion is a symbiotic relationship between a bacteria and a fungus. A fungus produces toxins and proteins and then a bad bacteria comes along and eat those toxins.

The bacteria creates an acidic environment allowing the fungus to spread. If you kill the bacteria, the fungus is still there. If you kill the fungus, until you kill all of it, it can grow back as the bacteria is still there creating an acidic environment.

So you have to kill both the bacteria and the fungus simultaneously. This is basically the magic of Itraconazole, which is chlorine plus an azole(antifungal), and why it is more effective than the other azole drugs.

This is also the magic behind the Linus Pauling treatments for Candida and other diseases. If you saturate your tissues with Sodium Ascorbate, you can kill off all bacteria, good, bad, other... and then you have a clean shot at the fungus. Ie, when you kill it, it doesn't grow back, because you killed the bacteria as well.

Additionally, Sodium Ascorbate has the same ph as your blood, so it is basically non-toxic. It is also required in building collagen.
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Dermatologists have a few drugs for killing fungus... Sulfacetamide (Sulfur(garlic) plus Vinegar), niacinamide gel, and azole drugs. There are various jock itch creams as well.

For periodontal disease, the treatment is mega-c plus chlorhexadine mouth wash. I believe the colgate total can kill all of the bacteria without using chlorine or bleach or chlorhexadine.

You still need to add an antifungal though, like sulfur, vinnegar, niacinamide, etc... or combination.

Is it adviseable to take straight Vit C with only Absorbic Acid or is it ok to have Rose Hips and Bioflavnoids? Also is there any side effect to doing 2 Tbsp of ACV per day and is it helpful to gargle with Tea Tree Oil? Thank you

I'm having lichen planus in my mouth, not too bad but at times it hurts when brushing my teeths or eating solid hard things like nuts, etc.

Find that a daily treatment of Oil Pulling with sesame oil, 20 min. every morning improves the problem a lot, heals your gums, repairs the teeth themselves and makes your teeths a lot whiter.

After 20 min. I spit the oil and clean my mouth thoroughly with natural sea-salt. Leaves you fantastic! I have done it a bit on and of as the lichen appears in times of stress and fatigue. Then I forget till I catch on again. I'm convinced it has kept me more or less in balance in my mouth but

I also believe that beneath all this is my general candidas-infection problem. Know that as long as I don't solve my the stress in my life, and what's behind that, that I'm only "curing" the symptoms.

I'm so sick of these dam spots all over, I've been using ambi for these spots but it's taking forever to work. I tried everything. It's been 1 yr since I been diagnose, is there anything that I can use to get rid of these spots?

Monique: Watch eliminate autoimmune disorders with fresh juices by sister sunshine.

I just recently started using organic virgin coconut oil for lichen planus. The itching is definitely less and within about 2 days they seem to be smaller. I'mm interested in seeing what happens.

I also read about using lavender oil. Has anyone tried this?

Hi Alison,

I have been searching for a cure for oral LP for over a decade, and the only study to show what could be termed a "cure" is this one:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3961895/

Best wishes! Thanks for your post!

Can Colloidal silver be used right on LP? How much do you drink of it for Lichen Planus?

Georgina can you please give me comfrey root ointment recipe for lichen planus thanks

I do not know the recipe the original poster used, but I can share how I make ointments/salves.

To make comfrey root ointment, you can put the clean chopped root (or dried if that is what you have) in a pot (Stainless steel or glass). Cover with olive oil. Heat on stove (electric is better as you can get lower heat. If you must use a gas stove, use a double boiler.) You want it just at a low simmer. Heat for 45 minutes or so. Strain out the root with a coffee filter. Add 1/2 ounce of beeswax for each 4 ounces of oil extract. Heat gently until the wax melts. Put a dab in the freezer for a minute or two and see if you like the consistency. If it is too thin for you, add a little more beeswax. If it is too hard, add a little more olive oil. When you are happy with the consistency, you can pour it into jars or tins. You can add a little vitamin E oil to help it to last longer. Or just store most of it in the refrigerator.

You can also just put the root in a mason jar and cover with olive oil and put the lid on it. Let sit for a couple of weeks. Then strain the root and heat the oil and add beeswax, etc. This is easier, since you don't have to sit and keep an eye on it. But, of course, it takes a lot longer. I am not sure which produces a better product. We have made salves both ways and they have been very effective.

Comfrey leaves can be used instead of the root if that is what you have available. I LOVE my salves that have comfrey in them. We use them all the time for so many things. (Burns, stings, rashes, bites, chapped skin poison ivy etc.) I also include plantain leaf, burdock root, and calendula flowers in the salve I make as an all purpose salve.

Let us know if comfrey root salve works on your lichen planus!

~Mama to Many~