Sun, 23 Feb 14 16:38:14 -0600
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Sun, 23 Feb 14 16:37:14 -0600
Does anyone know of a treatment using DMSO to soften or dissolve scars inside the eye?
Also, is there anything that will kill the shingles virus as I still get outbreaks on my face? I have tried olive leaf extract, but that has not worked. Thanks. Gregor"
02/23/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Try licorice extract. If you put it on the first day it will go away...Apply it three or 4 times a day...If you wait to get a doctors opinion it will take three day...75% gone the first day...25% the next and completely gone the third day...A bottle cost about $8.95 and NO drugs.."
Sun, 23 Feb 14 16:35:12 -0600
I've actually worked for a pharmaceutical company before and never trusted the drugs because I got to see what was actually in them. It's really sad you can't depend on the medical community to help heal the sick, but they are all about $. I plan to spread the word as much as possible.
The way I used hydrogen peroxide was made a 3% solution from a 35% solution (1 1/3 cups to a gallon of distilled water) I'm a chemist so it was easy for me to do the conversions then I measured it using cups to make it easier for everyone.
Then I inhaled it about twice a day using the over the counter Automizer using hydrogen peroxide instead of the meds the atomizer comes with."
06/15/2013: Victor from Santo Domingo, Rd: "Hi Nomoreherpes from Atlanta. How do you inhale the h2o2, nasal, oral?"
09/11/2013: Shari from Moorhead, Mn: "Hi, how long did you use the food grade hydrogen peroxide with the automizer? Are you still symptom free? Thank you!"
09/18/2013: Jessica from Oakland Ca: "I am so inspired by your story about using an inhaler, but my question is... Could you mix a solution of h2o2 and stabilized oxygen together or would that potentially cause tissue damage? Also I am already dropping h2o2 into water and taking that 3 times daily. Wondering if I could continue that or just stay with the inhaler..."
11/10/2013: Mike from California: "Can you tell me how to use hydrogen peroxide you use any other diet or you just inhaled? Please reply me thank you"
[YEA] 02/23/2014: Dakota from Bridgetown: "Hydrogen peroxide works. I had my ob for 7 days so far. The first 5 days I was using apple cider vinegar it was painful and I was seeing no results. So the fifth day I started with peroxide... I will admit it stings but not as bad as the ACV. And the next morning my sore started to clear up. Also I used tea tree all alternating through out the day. About 5 times a day.. Thank you so much I didn't want to have to go to the doctor. I hate those meds."
Sun, 23 Feb 14 16:33:15 -0600
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hey Pamm,From your description .... stomach and intestinal distress... not an acid reflux problem (not mainly) but more likely an infection.
For either, reflux or lower track infection, try, to start with a tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in a glass of water and sip over an hour or two. Repeat two hours later and again after another two hours.
Lots about ACV on Earth Clinic.
Next, if that doesn't bring relief, I'd be taking a good anti viral; my favorite is Colloidal Silver and a close second is the herb Echinacea. On the CS, I'd take a tablespoon every hour for four hours and determine if the pain has let up. Echinacea is also a good anti viral. In liquid form, I'd put five to ten drops in glass of water and drink and then repeat every hours...again for four hours. I'd consider using both in fact given the degree of infection."
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "To Pamm,By the way.... the white tongue could be coating from virus. So if me, I also gargle with the Colloidal Silver for a week, twice daily.
I gargle with CS a few times weekly. Never have any whitish coating on tongue. I believe the CS is keeping me clear of viruses."
02/23/2014: Oscar from Syracuse, New York: "There is this whole new issue about food and water safety. The cause is virulent new strains of E.Coli that is infecting our food and water supplies. The USDA is not only not helping but is purposesly suppressing information about just how common and dangerous this pandemic is becoming. What you can do is make sure you drink sterilized water and cook all foods a lot. You can sterilize water by boiling it for about 5 minutes. Cook all meats to well done. Eat NO salami or hamburger or other ground meats. Here is page 1 of 57 pages of recent outbreaks. Each page contains 10 to 12 stories = 570 or more E.Coli outbreaks. Just click " earlier reports " to cruise on through those 570 or more reports. Earlier reports is located at the very bottom of each page. Vegetables are every bit as likely to have these bacteria on their surfaces. So you need to clean them with sterile water or cook them thoroughly. A lot of doctors are woefully ignorant about all this. Link here: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/tag/e-coli/#.UwodaM6Dvwc"
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Pamm, read up on "too little stomach acid" (acv/lemon can help) and "too much stomach acid" (baking soda can help)."
[YEA] 02/23/2014: Misty from Mass.: "I read somewhere not to take too much baking soda, it may not mix with everyone's stomach fluids, sometimes it's best to do a few more web searches before trying anything. Most times we were born with what used to be a joke; our systems were like self cleaning ovens, we can clean it or slightly alter it, but please be careful of what you try. These are only general experiments!! Thanks, Misty"
Sun, 23 Feb 14 16:32:08 -0600
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hey Pamm,From your description .... stomach and intestinal distress... not an acid reflux problem (not mainly) but more likely an infection.
For either, reflux or lower track infection, try, to start with a tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in a glass of water and sip over an hour or two. Repeat two hours later and again after another two hours.
Lots about ACV on Earth Clinic.
Next, if that doesn't bring relief, I'd be taking a good anti viral; my favorite is Colloidal Silver and a close second is the herb Echinacea. On the CS, I'd take a tablespoon every hour for four hours and determine if the pain has let up. Echinacea is also a good anti viral. In liquid form, I'd put five to ten drops in glass of water and drink and then repeat every hours...again for four hours. I'd consider using both in fact given the degree of infection."
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "To Pamm,By the way.... the white tongue could be coating from virus. So if me, I also gargle with the Colloidal Silver for a week, twice daily.
I gargle with CS a few times weekly. Never have any whitish coating on tongue. I believe the CS is keeping me clear of viruses."
02/23/2014: Oscar from Syracuse, New York: "There is this whole new issue about food and water safety. The cause is virulent new strains of E.Coli that is infecting our food and water supplies. The USDA is not only not helping but is purposesly suppressing information about just how common and dangerous this pandemic is becoming. What you can do is make sure you drink sterilized water and cook all foods a lot. You can sterilize water by boiling it for about 5 minutes. Cook all meats to well done. Eat NO salami or hamburger or other ground meats. Here is page 1 of 57 pages of recent outbreaks. Each page contains 10 to 12 stories = 570 or more E.Coli outbreaks. Just click " earlier reports " to cruise on through those 570 or more reports. Earlier reports is located at the very bottom of each page. Vegetables are every bit as likely to have these bacteria on their surfaces. So you need to clean them with sterile water or cook them thoroughly. A lot of doctors are woefully ignorant about all this. Link here: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/tag/e-coli/#.UwodaM6Dvwc"
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Pamm, read up on "too little stomach acid" (acv/lemon can help) and "too much stomach acid" (baking soda can help)."
[YEA] 02/23/2014: Misty from Mass.: "I read somewhere not to take too much baking soda, it may not mix with everyone's stomach fluids, sometimes it's best to do a few more web searches before trying anything. Most times we were born with what used to be a joke; our systems were like self cleaning ovens, we can clean it or slightly alter it, but please be careful of what you try. These are only general experiments!! Thanks, Misty"
Sun, 23 Feb 14 13:30:41 -0600
By the way.... the white tongue could be coating from virus. So if me, I also gargle with the Colloidal Silver for a week, twice daily.
I gargle with CS a few times weekly. Never have any whitish coating on tongue. I believe the CS is keeping me clear of viruses."
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hey Pamm,From your description .... stomach and intestinal distress... not an acid reflux problem (not mainly) but more likely an infection.
For either, reflux or lower track infection, try, to start with a tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in a glass of water and sip over an hour or two. Repeat two hours later and again after another two hours.
Lots about ACV on Earth Clinic.
Next, if that doesn't bring relief, I'd be taking a good anti viral; my favorite is Colloidal Silver and a close second is the herb Echinacea. On the CS, I'd take a tablespoon every hour for four hours and determine if the pain has let up. Echinacea is also a good anti viral. In liquid form, I'd put five to ten drops in glass of water and drink and then repeat every hours...again for four hours. I'd consider using both in fact given the degree of infection."
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "To Pamm,By the way.... the white tongue could be coating from virus. So if me, I also gargle with the Colloidal Silver for a week, twice daily.
I gargle with CS a few times weekly. Never have any whitish coating on tongue. I believe the CS is keeping me clear of viruses."
02/23/2014: Oscar from Syracuse, New York: "There is this whole new issue about food and water safety. The cause is virulent new strains of E.Coli that is infecting our food and water supplies. The USDA is not only not helping but is purposesly suppressing information about just how common and dangerous this pandemic is becoming. What you can do is make sure you drink sterilized water and cook all foods a lot. You can sterilize water by boiling it for about 5 minutes. Cook all meats to well done. Eat NO salami or hamburger or other ground meats. Here is page 1 of 57 pages of recent outbreaks. Each page contains 10 to 12 stories = 570 or more E.Coli outbreaks. Just click " earlier reports " to cruise on through those 570 or more reports. Earlier reports is located at the very bottom of each page. Vegetables are every bit as likely to have these bacteria on their surfaces. So you need to clean them with sterile water or cook them thoroughly. A lot of doctors are woefully ignorant about all this. Link here: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/tag/e-coli/#.UwodaM6Dvwc"
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Pamm, read up on "too little stomach acid" (acv/lemon can help) and "too much stomach acid" (baking soda can help)."
[YEA] 02/23/2014: Misty from Mass.: "I read somewhere not to take too much baking soda, it may not mix with everyone's stomach fluids, sometimes it's best to do a few more web searches before trying anything. Most times we were born with what used to be a joke; our systems were like self cleaning ovens, we can clean it or slightly alter it, but please be careful of what you try. These are only general experiments!! Thanks, Misty"
Sun, 23 Feb 14 13:24:26 -0600
From your description .... stomach and intestinal distress... not an acid reflux problem (not mainly) but more likely an infection.
For either, reflux or lower track infection, try, to start with a tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in a glass of water and sip over an hour or two. Repeat two hours later and again after another two hours.
Lots about ACV on Earth Clinic.
Next, if that doesn't bring relief, I'd be taking a good anti viral; my favorite is Colloidal Silver and a close second is the herb Echinacea. On the CS, I'd take a tablespoon every hour for four hours and determine if the pain has let up. Echinacea is also a good anti viral. In liquid form, I'd put five to ten drops in glass of water and drink and then repeat every hours...again for four hours. I'd consider using both in fact given the degree of infection."
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hey Pamm,From your description .... stomach and intestinal distress... not an acid reflux problem (not mainly) but more likely an infection.
For either, reflux or lower track infection, try, to start with a tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in a glass of water and sip over an hour or two. Repeat two hours later and again after another two hours.
Lots about ACV on Earth Clinic.
Next, if that doesn't bring relief, I'd be taking a good anti viral; my favorite is Colloidal Silver and a close second is the herb Echinacea. On the CS, I'd take a tablespoon every hour for four hours and determine if the pain has let up. Echinacea is also a good anti viral. In liquid form, I'd put five to ten drops in glass of water and drink and then repeat every hours...again for four hours. I'd consider using both in fact given the degree of infection."
02/23/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "To Pamm,By the way.... the white tongue could be coating from virus. So if me, I also gargle with the Colloidal Silver for a week, twice daily.
I gargle with CS a few times weekly. Never have any whitish coating on tongue. I believe the CS is keeping me clear of viruses."
02/23/2014: Oscar from Syracuse, New York: "There is this whole new issue about food and water safety. The cause is virulent new strains of E.Coli that is infecting our food and water supplies. The USDA is not only not helping but is purposesly suppressing information about just how common and dangerous this pandemic is becoming. What you can do is make sure you drink sterilized water and cook all foods a lot. You can sterilize water by boiling it for about 5 minutes. Cook all meats to well done. Eat NO salami or hamburger or other ground meats. Here is page 1 of 57 pages of recent outbreaks. Each page contains 10 to 12 stories = 570 or more E.Coli outbreaks. Just click " earlier reports " to cruise on through those 570 or more reports. Earlier reports is located at the very bottom of each page. Vegetables are every bit as likely to have these bacteria on their surfaces. So you need to clean them with sterile water or cook them thoroughly. A lot of doctors are woefully ignorant about all this. Link here: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/tag/e-coli/#.UwodaM6Dvwc"
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Pamm, read up on "too little stomach acid" (acv/lemon can help) and "too much stomach acid" (baking soda can help)."
[YEA] 02/23/2014: Misty from Mass.: "I read somewhere not to take too much baking soda, it may not mix with everyone's stomach fluids, sometimes it's best to do a few more web searches before trying anything. Most times we were born with what used to be a joke; our systems were like self cleaning ovens, we can clean it or slightly alter it, but please be careful of what you try. These are only general experiments!! Thanks, Misty"
Pamm's Mystery Diagnosis
Sun, 23 Feb 14 09:12:10 -0600
Anti-Candida Diet for Perioral Dermatitis
Sun, 23 Feb 14 08:15:55 -0600
At the beginning of December, I got a cold and I was very sick for about 5 days. In this time, I couldn't eat anything aside from a little chicken soup. My face started really clearing up. The minute I got better and started eating normal food it freaked out once again. Something just clicked for me then and there so I started researching rashes and found that facial yeast infections and perioral dermatitis look identical. I then started reading everything I could on yeast overgrowths and how to cure it with diet.
I decided to wait until after Christmas to begin. I started what is called the Candida Diet on December 30th 2013. This Diet is very restrictive. Basically yeast thrives on sugar. Carbohydrates once ingested turn into sugar so you can't have those. No dairy, No Fruit. You can google the diet and it will give you all the details. Because it is so restrictive I decided to do the diet Monday through Friday. I would then treat myself on the weekends. During the week, I would eat chicken, eggs, and non-starchy vegetables and that was pretty much it. On the weekend, I would eat whatever I pleased.
My facial routine is quite specific but I believe that it played a huge part in the recovery of my skin. I wash my face twice a day with a soy facial cleanser. I then pat it dry and I would use a q-tip to apply tea tree oil to the entire rash. I would let the tea tree oil rest on my face for one minute and then pat the excess off. I would then spray thermal spring water on my face and let sit for one minute. I would then pat dry again and follow with a pea size amount of creme ancienne moisturizer patted into my skin. The moisturizer is expensive but worth every penny. You need a moisturizer like this to repair the skin especially because you will be drying it out with the tea tree oil. If you don't get hydration locked into your skin a couple minutes after using the tea tree oil you will only cause damage. The moisturizer is $280 but will last you a year so it boils down to about $23 a month. I did this facial regimen twice a day. When I wake up, I also chug two tablespoons of Apple Cider Vinegar everyday and I take a supplement called yeast cleanse (six capsules a day). I'm sure I could have cleared up my face a lot faster had I not had cheated on weekends but I needed them for my sanity.
It took 7 weeks for my face to completely clear up 100%. Now it is the best it's looked in years. It wasn't easy at all though. Some days I would really want to break the diet but I never did because each week I could see improvement. So, I held out till the weekends and never cheated during the week. I am so Thankful that this is what cured me. I am a different person now. Even though I am not on the diet anymore I eat a ton of vegetables and get my sugar mostly from a little fruit here and there. I do not eat like I used to nor do I desire to. I really feel like it was a message from God that I needed to cleanse my body from the inside out. If you go on a strict Candida Diet, I am certain that you can cure your rash. Hang in there. There's light at the end of the tunnel."
Sun, 23 Feb 14 08:12:13 -0600
Dr. Michael Gray in Benson, AZ; Dr. Irene Grant in Tarrytown, NY; Dr. William Rea, an environmental doctor in Dallas, Texas; Dr. Janette Hope in Santa Barbara, CA; Dr. Mary Short-Ray, D.O. in Jacksonville, FL.
There is a website for Dr Mary Short-Ray called Toxic-Black-Mold-Syndrome. She also wrote a book called Surviving Toxic Black Mold Syndrome.
There is a website for Dr. Lisa Levine Nagy M.D. who recovered from a severe case of toxic mold syndrome called environmentalmedicineinfo.
Website for Dr. Irene Grant irenegrantmd.
Also a test we found to be helpful besides the Mycotoxin test from Realtime Labs was a Dark Field Microscopy test."
Since being infected with mycotoxins and mold from a terribly poor quality office environment for roughly 18 months, which was covered with several different types of mold, (oozing with mycotoxins to the point they dripped from the walls to the floor - yellow color - they are the result of competing molds in their vicinity. ) I Finally began to look into some sort of cure. Prior to me meeting this amazing toxicologist, who is a leader in Mold sickness around the world, he was also the first to explain to me that the only way to kill mold and their toxins, is AMMONIA. (his info is on my site listed below) That's it. Ammonia kills the mycotoxins as well as the mold itself. TO MAKE THIS CLEAR - Bleach and peroxide cannot kill mold - they will just eat it as food. So He carefully instructed me to pour a 8 ounce cup of 3% clear ammonia into a warm bath and soak for 20 minutes. This saved my lungs which were coated in mold and mycotoxins, as well as killed some of the yeast in my skin and body from absorption and contact. I highly recommend that if you know you're sick from mold, and near death, honestly, this is the first step. Ammonia baths. It saved my life. Also clean your house with it as well if you are not MCS (Multi-chemical sensitive - which is a result of chemical treatments for mold, and the mold itself causes this disorder - Baking soda kills mold on contact, however cannot kill the mycotoxins)
Also it is important to remember a few things on this subject. Washing all your clothing, sheets, towels and such in a cup of 3% clear ammonia is highly important since you release mycotoxins from your skin. They must be removed. Ammonia is the only way. Finally after two years of suffering, almost dying in December of 09, I had to quit the job and leave the premises that contained these terrible molds. My boss, my landlord all could care less. Great people. OSHA, cared little as well. I went to a homeopathic doctor who put me on an anti-candida diet, which is the main reason those who suffer with mold poisoning die so horribly. No carbs, no sugar, no yeast, nothing fermented. Candidas Albicanis is a yeast in our gut that can take over everything in our body when our immune system is compromised. It was eating away at my skin, my muscles, my organs, the toxin invaded my brain, and I lost sight partially in my left eye, and hearing in my left ear. It feeds off of all the sugar and carbs you ingest, starving your cells from the nutrients they desperately need. This diet didn't do much, but it did help with the nausea and vomiting issues. I also had a herbal tea mixture my friend and I researched. Bayberry root bark, Pleurisy root, gotu kola, nettles, Cinnamon and cloves. I was on this on and off in a two day cycle for about two months. Helped drastically, but not so much all the symptoms. Also catnip tea helped with the sleeping disorder and insomnia late at night. Teaspoon of each in a 32 ounce pot. Drank whole pot in one day, repeated next, then gave myself two days to recover.
So only as of about 3 months ago, I started a strict regimen of Supplements I heavily research to aid me in my recovery since all doctors said I was just going to die from this. The amazing realization is that what I had researched, is a cure to mold poisoning as well as candida infections. Yeasts, fungi and mold are not based on chlorophyll, they are single cell life forms based on a bacterial way of existence. Living off a host to gain nutrients. From Studying different anti-fungal herbs and foods, I created a regimen of supplements that has saved my life. They are:
Chlorophyll Supplements - (liquid gel caps, or liquid)
Alfalfa Extract - (for digestive and lack of appetite also lifts mood. )
Grape Seed Extract(breaks thru the brain blood bond barrier to clean out fluid inside)
Grapefruit Seed Extract - anti fungal
Milk Thistle - (Liver Function)
Oil of Oregano - Strong anti-fungal(only 3 wks on then 3 wks off)
Burdock (Liver function)
Dandelion (liver function)
Garlic - (Anti-fungal and heart help)
Onion - (anti-fungal)
Neem seed Oil (Exterior and interior treatment)
Rose hip Tincture
These I take in the morning when I wake up, and then again ever six hours. So far in as little as 3 months, All the skin abrasions, yellow spots, red boils, vision disorder, mood disorders, mood swings, bi-polar disorder, depression, hearing disorders, jitters, narcolepsy, brain fog, digestion issues, weakness of muscles, acidic body Ph, yellow nails, odor, omitted toxins after bathing left on towels, (Yes I smelled like mold, and after I bathed, the towel smelt the same way. It is a smell you can never forget. ) all of these symptoms - DISAPPEARING!! COMPLETELY FADING EACH DAY! I am so thankful I never gave up, and I am forever thankful for these wonderful aids in finding my recovery. I wanted to share this with as many people as possible since there are over 500, 000 diagnosed deaths from mold sickness each year, and thousands more that go on undiagnosed until autopsy.
Thank you and Here's to everyone learning we may have to live in a polluted world, but we don't have to live with polluted bodies!"
12/14/2010: Celia from Arcata, Cn: "Hi. Is there any way of getting in touch with the author who wrote this note entitled "Anti-Fungal Herbs and Food?" She mentioned a toxicologist and I would love to get his name and website. My name's Celia and my email is springsnakes(at)gmail(dot)com. Thank you!"
03/12/2011: Judy from Reidsville, North Carolina, Usa: "I'm confussed. Isn't Ammonia toxic to us? I've tried looking up ammonia for a treatment but couldn't find it anywhere but here. You didn't state if you only soaked in a tub with ammonia once or did you do it more than once??
I have very high mold inside me , (moved) and several high and very high heavy metals. I'm going to die from this soon if I can't find some real natural treatments.
Thanks for your help. ~ Judy ~"
03/12/2011: Tom from Regina, Sk: "Judy:
Regardless whether it was a hair test or other that determined you have too much heavy metals, here is an interesting tie-in to niacinamide you can start immediately to help with that part of your problems.
It's from the post on Alzheimers just sent in today.
You can buy a big bottle of niacinamide form of B3 (not niacin! ) for about $5 anywhere.
Article is from late 2009, high dose niacinamide in lab mice bred for brain amyloid plaques:
www.articlesbase.com/alternative-medicine-articles/will-remarkably-inexpensive-nutrient-cure-alzheimers-disease-1433911.html
The tubules are like highways inside cells. Dr. Green said that niacinamide is "making a wider more stable highway. " Alzheimer's disease breaks down the highway (tubules). But niacinamide prevents this from happening.
I've previously told you how the toxic metal mercury also destroys these microtubules, potentially causing Alzheimer's disease. So anything that can prevent the damage or reverse it is a huge discovery.
You could also directly bind loose mercury, easily the worst offender of all heavy metals in the body, into the completely inert HgSe which will be excreted using a good selenium supplement, meaning preferably the organic form found right in plants and nuts, selenomethionine:
www.bing.com/images/search?q=selenomethionine&go=&form=QBLH&scope=images&filt=all
www.evenbetterhealth.com/mercury-poisoning-removal.php
Selenium is a potent chelator of mercury (it binds to it and removes it from the body). Mercury exposure can therefore lead to a selenium deficiency.
Selenium at 250 mcg per day should be used in any mercury chelation program. Selenium has an unusually high "binding affinity" for mercury, making it a vital part of the support protocol when detoxifying mercury from the body."
03/13/2011: Diamond from Salisbury, Mass.: "Tom; I do not care to buy or deal with any sales pitch especially those that promote information about using mice/rats for their experiments. I go against any one that uses any living/breathing human, animal or even a mammal.
Thanks......"
07/14/2011: Mike from Regina, Sask: "You are exactly correct. Your account is 100% accurate. Having worked in the supplement industry, I learned much about different supplements that were on the market (mostly for bodybuilding). Then my boss and I decided that we should bring in natural products as it is a growing market and it's important. Seeing all of the things that you listed is great. Oil of Oregano is one of the strongest natural anti-fungal products out there; an excellent choice.What prompts me to write this reply is that I am just discovering that my current sickness is due to black mold (Stachybotrys). It is a mycotoxin which gives of potentially deadly spores. I moved into my parents basement in a transition from moving from one city to another. It was an easy way to move and have somewhere for all of my stuff :) This winter destroyed the past records for snowfall which means, a LOT of snowmelt. Basements everywhere were being flooded. Luckily, my parent's house, built in 1987, withstood any water from penetrating into the basement. BUT, black mold can still thrive as the ground is saturated with moisture.
My gf, who is very healthy and has a great diet like myself, has become oddly sick. Not just regular flu or cold symtoms, but odd uni-lateral pains throughout her arms and legs. Very odd. After doctors just gave her prescription strength drugs (which did nothing), she went to a naturopathic doctor. They figured something else was up, something viral. They gave her many natural products to take and said to stay away from a high-arginine diet. Since we both have a high protein diet for our gym lifestyle, arginine is a very abundant and common amino acid. Her blood work also showed that she had high amounts of creatinine in her blood and another test that was supposed to be between 20-120, she was at 300. I can't remember the test.... Something like C/K, looks for broken down protein in the blood. Hers was high, which is odd because she supplements with branched chain amino acids everyday. When I had this ephiphany tonight about black mold, I researched it. Sore throat and respiratory problems is a major part of black mold sickness. Both her and I have had this nagging sore throat for about a month, and nothing can cure it. ALSO I read that black mold can prevent protein synthesis, which means, it prevents her body from chaining amino acids together to make muscle protein! This could explain the reason for the high amounts of this broken down protein in her blood which could relate to the uni-lateral pains in her extremities.
So I guess my message is, if you have these symtoms for longer than 2 weeks and there seems to be no cure or you aren't getting better, look at your environment. Colds caused by a virus tend to be fought off by your body in 12-14 days, as the affected cells in the nose, nasal cavity, and throat get replaced every two weeks(ish). Colds caused by a bacteria, like strep throat, can be treated with an anti-biotic and can be greatly minimized within hours of taking the first does. However, fungi are a different breed, especially when it comes to black mold. You are constantly being bombarded by spores which continually weakens or suppresses your immune system, not allowing you to get better. LOOK INTO IT.
Thanks for reading, hopefully this can help other so they don't have to go through something like my girlfriend did!"
10/18/2011: Jal from Melbourne, Australia: "Re... "So He carefully instructed me to pour a 8 ounce cup of 3% clear ammonia into a warm bath and soak for 20 minutes. This saved my lungs which were coated in mold and mycotoxins, as well as .."Can anyone else corroborate the safety of this treatment and or its effectiveness. Obviously this is bad for MCS but would it be suitable if I wore a face shield? I am wishing to treat a 5 year old tinea (?) type rash on one buttock :( and I have previous history of reactions to molds and recent treatment with Nystatin that was reduced in the faecal test but did not alter the rash."
12/25/2012: Jimmy from Panama City, Fl: "Find an ortho molecular doctor or an integrated medicine doctor that will give you high dose (30 to 100g) of IV-vitamin C or H2O2. My son had toxic levels of mold VOCs, ochratoxin and trichothencenes. Must use C or HP because they will break up the biofilms that toxins (and microbes) are sequestered in... kinda like chelation treatments but C and HP is better than EDTA."
12/26/2012: Robert Henry from Ten Mile, Tn Usa: "HI U JIMMY, , , , , , , , Glad your son is doing well with the Vit C I. V. , but your post is misleading as each one of the IV's you mentioned are for different situtations. I have been doing the three that you mentioned and others for the last 5 years. The mold infection will just come back if you do not kill it at the source. I have been down that trail when my truck's A/C had a mold colony in it. I've had over 60 EDTA Chelations to clean out my blood vessels and heavy metals. We do HP I.V. to avoid the flu and colds. Vit C I.V. we do for just general good health and my current cancer situtation. =====RH========"
02/23/2014: Helps from Los Angeles, Ca: "Some of the known doctors who treat mold sickness in the U.S. are:Dr. Michael Gray in Benson, AZ; Dr. Irene Grant in Tarrytown, NY; Dr. William Rea, an environmental doctor in Dallas, Texas; Dr. Janette Hope in Santa Barbara, CA; Dr. Mary Short-Ray, D.O. in Jacksonville, FL.
There is a website for Dr Mary Short-Ray called Toxic-Black-Mold-Syndrome. She also wrote a book called Surviving Toxic Black Mold Syndrome.
There is a website for Dr. Lisa Levine Nagy M.D. who recovered from a severe case of toxic mold syndrome called environmentalmedicineinfo.
Website for Dr. Irene Grant irenegrantmd.
Also a test we found to be helpful besides the Mycotoxin test from Realtime Labs was a Dark Field Microscopy test."
Sun, 23 Feb 14 08:11:21 -0600
I have studied holistic health for most of my life and this medicine and its effects have worried me over the last almost two years. I am in a situation now where I cannot afford to buy it any longer either.
My concern is that I don't know what to take to cure the problem because of my symptoms so if anyone here has similar please let me know. People here have great success with ACV and Baking Soda. I did use baking soda before the problem got so intense I had to have the gastroscopy.
By the way at this time two years ago I did a 12 day fast on just organic aloe vera juice from whole foods I was that desperate. After that I decided to have a some organic veggie juice thinking I could now drink it and OMG it didn't last a moment in my system. Definitely it did me no good at all.
I throw up even water, but some foods surprisingly I discovered by accident I can keep down. I.e. pasta with cheese sauce, which I hadn't eaten for thirty years not liking it prior, but it was served for dinner where I was visiting. This blew my mind when I realized I wouldn't be throwing it up. Hard boiled eggs with a bit of butter I can keep down too. Veggies I can't keep down either. The problem I have is that I can't get past a mouthful of ACV without it coming right back up. I also have a greens organic, and a non-GMO, non-dairy, non-Soy protein powder full of good healthy ingredients, which I used to blend with coconut milk, and now I can't drink that either since stopping the PPI. I can only now drink little sips of water otherwise it comes back. Teas all come back after a mouthful. Coffee is out of the question entirely.
There must be a way to cure this and heal it holistically. I refuse to believe I have to live with this Dexilant which I read increases the possibility of stomach cancer if taking it over a long period. I also have osteoporosis before taking Dexilant and it must be even worse now. I feel that I am in very critical condition.
Another thing that happens is that the moment I even go to take my medication for hypothyroid and reach for the glass of water that my upper abdomen immediately swells and hurts and I haven't even had a sip yet. I sleep practically sitting up and now I also have developed this cough that causes me to throw up. I bring up a very clear gel like substance, not a mucous that is thick and then up comes my water or anything I have taken.
I would appreciate hearing back about this. Thanks."
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: It's obvious that the acid factor of ACV irritates your Esophagus, so do drop that. I had the same problem w/ the thyroid meds. One of the noticeable symptoms of hypothyroid is reduced ability to swallow, which implies that the esophagus is directly effected by insufficient thyroid hormones.So, the only way to bring about a fix is to treat the esophagus and the thyroid simultaneously. Starting w/ the thyroid, take the magnet on your refrigerator and apply it to your thyroid glands for 10 min 2x day. Switch from levothyroxine to Armor Thyroid meds w/ any luck from your MD. supplement Lugols Iodine (much info here on E.C.). Take 500mg L-Tyrosine 1x day for two weeks and then up to 500mg 2x day. At this point you may need to split the thyroid med in half but you will need thyroid checked for sure. Vit-E is very good for protecting all the glands and thus improving their function. The best form of E is mixed Tocopherols & Tocotrienols. Coconut Oil is also very good for the T.
Now for the esophagus. Burst 5,000 iu Vit-A in mouth and let it slowly drain down the throat or take small spoon of Cod Liver Oil by mouth using the slow method. 15 minutes later suck an Elderberry/Zinc Lozenge. These two should both strengthen and soothe. DGL form of Licorice will also help soothe."
02/22/2014: Jos from Thailand: "Hi to Morganaspirit in Vancouver,Sorry to hear of your gastric problems, have you tried mixing food thickeners to your food and drinks? There is a product called Nestagel which works quite well and helps to keep food down and without irritation, I believe it's mainly used for children and elderly people but maybe worth experimenting with, also try to research other food thickners which maybe of benefit to you as they coat the lining of your osophegus, and help to stop the burning sensation. Weight loss may be a problem for you and when desperate try Bengers food, another "old fashioned" food for invalids and children with hiatal hernia problems. Keeping yourself raised up when sleeping is essential for your oesophageal probs and I really wish you well. I had a young baby with reflux and I learnt about thickening food to keep it down in her stomach, I appreciate you are not an invalid but thought some of these ideas may help you."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Morganaspirit: I am not sure I can assist you but I can try. I am not sure why but I like to study the food plants, animals, and well people eat. After reading your sad story of so much suffering I am surprised you are alive. The reason I say this is because the cells require proper nourishment. When they don't get enough they eat the tissues. I believe this to be the root cause. I was very sick. The way I got well was to experiment. This is hard for a sick person to do so maybe getting a loved one to assist would be a good idea. Vegetables want to be fertilizer for the seeds so they make some of their nutrients hard to digest to discourage herbivores from eating them. Fruits want to be eaten for herbivores to propagate the seeds. Their nutrients are easily digested. The most easily digestible fruit is banana. Whole Foods has whole trade bananas. These are organically grown but lack the costly certification. They are also the least costly. You can try raw wildflower honey. Avocados are also easy to digest. Because you were able to eat cheese, eggs, and butter, you can try raw vital pastured eggs, raw grass fed hamburger, colostrum, and raw cheese. You can try black chia seeds. They are less costly online. Brown Cow plain yogurt might be beneficial. In my opinion you are going to have to find some raw organic and grass fed whole foods that you can eat so you can recover."
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morganspirit, sounds like you have to have well-cooked, easily digestible foods for right now. Look into Traditional Chinese Medicine for your situation."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you Timh from Ky, and Somewhere, Europe, jos from Thailand, and Mike 62 from Denver. I appreciate all of your input. I do love avocadoes Mike, bananas I am very allergic to unfortunately cause I love them.Jos, food thickeners sound like a very good idea because they coat the lining of the esophagus. I have never heard of them so will research as soon as I get off this site.
Timh, I do take desiccated thyroid. Learned that one a few years ago! But you are right that the thyroid seems to be mixed up with everything. I never thought of using a magnet on my thyroid but what a great idea. I need a lot of thyroid every day so it would be amazing to split it in half. I will certainly try the Vit-A. Does it taste fishy though? Thinking of Cod liver oil you mentioned. Aside from the esophagus problems I have a very difficult time with smells, especially fishy smell. I can't even walk into a fish store without throwing up. I take coconut oil and use it for cooking. Perhaps that would work as well as Vit-A?
I am going to try these ideas you all gave me today, and Somewhere, Europe you suggested TCM. I went to a naturopath who taught at the TCM college here and he was useless. His big plan was for me buy his protein powder and take that daily as well as pay him $150/hr for his consult. He gave me a sample and it upchucked within five minutes so I am a bit distrustful of TCM if that is the recommendation. I like the ones I got here today and will use them all. Thank you."
02/23/2014: Gtcharlie from Los Angeles, Ca: "Hi Morganaspirit,I want to chip in a few points here that is away from the main drag; not with the intention to negate what others say, but to add a different approach that is more in line with the Eastern philosophy.
1. Avoid all cold drinks or foods, including raw foods taken cold, even water from the refrigerator! Because you don't want to excite your stomach needlessly. And you don't want to lower your body's core temperature suddenly either. So, please stick to foods/drinks that are a bit above lukewarm, but way lower than to burn your mouth.
2. Use ginger as often as you can, but not as much as you can. Large amount of ginger can upset your stomach, in moderation, it can curb regurgitation effectively. Ginger can also warm your stomach up which will reduce the excessive stomach acid. GERD can be from insufficient stomach acid in some cases especially with the elderlies. But judging from what you say about the ACV, it is not your case.
The best way is to take a ginger tea with honey daily - thinly cut fresh ginger 15-20 slices with skin on, add in 8 oz of water and bring it to boil. Remove from the stove and stir in one t-spoon honey. Press the ginger slices a bit while mixing the honey in with the spoon. Save half of this concoction in a thermal for later use. Sip this tea slowly as hot as you can take. Inhale the steam through your nostrils while waiting for the tea to cool down a bit. By doing so, you can warm up your upper chest. Reheat the rest from the thermal a few hours later to finish it. Less in amount and more in frequency is the key to avoid burdening your stomach. If you can take in the whole 8 oz once, then brew a second cup later.
Always add some fresh ginger in your cooking. Ginger candy is a good choice for snacking.
If you like cinnamon, you can use it to replace ginger at times or supplementing the ginger tea with it. But be sure to buy the cinnamon from Indonesia or Srilanka since it is for medicinal purpose. You will find them at Amazon.
3. Take liquid foods for easy digestion; thick soap like beef and barley is a good choice. Avoid foods that cause bloating and gas. Chew slowly and longer when eating solid foods to let the saliva to breakdown carbohydrates. Proper nutrition plays a big part in one's health!
4. Rub your stomach often: use both hands to rub your stomach (right under the sternum) with a little pressure. Move in a circular motion and reverse the direction alternatively. Give it a few pumps if you can in between. Do it before meals and relax your stomach muscle by practicing deep breathing at times. You need to strengthen your diaphram.
If these help and when situation is stabilized, you can start making fresh potato juice in the morning and drink it with an empty stomach - at least half an hour prior to breakfast. Add an apple if you like. But be sure to leave both the potato and apple out of the refrigerator to prevent taking in cold liquid in the morning!
Potato juicing is good to curb cancer cells, and for any ulcer too! A very popular remedy in Asia popularized by a welknown Japanese monk.
All the best to you!"
02/24/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: Yes, the Cod Liver Oil or Vit-A smells like fish, so you will need to fallow it directly w/ Elder/Zinc Lozenge. The Iodine/L-Tyrosine will likely be necessary in improving your T hormone status for the short-term until you do the Magnet, Vit-A, and Zinc begin protecting and healing the Thyroid. All this has worked for me as my last test showed normal without having previously taken levothyroxine for many weeks.Do report your results for others."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morganaspirit,Really, my heart goes out to you...you have suffered so much.
I love what the EC writers have posted and have two observations:
First, to add to the previous suggestions on what you might be able to eat, have you tried papaya? The raw fruit, not the capsules but the fruit itself?
Papaya is an amazing fruit packed with enzymatic power... soothing to the lining of irritated throat and stomach...it is wonderfully anti nausea. What ever is causing the problem, you certainly are deficient in enzymes and a good starting point is papaya. Start with the real fruit as I said and after eliminating the tiny black seeds (a good source of anti parasites) just take a tiny bit on spoon and eat. If no negative reaction, try a quarter teaspoon and so forth until you can eat a quarter cup at a time. If you can tolerate that much, the Papaya will start its wonder working impact on your system.
Second, I'd love to more find out the CAUSE of what you are experiencing. I understand the Barretts Syndrome diagnosis, but I mean before that. Here is my point; We are dealing with (largely) what you can eat now. That is vital because clearly there is a sense of urgency here...and that is why I threw in my suggestion of papaya. But all these suggestions, by and large, speak to the symptoms and do not address the cause.
I guessed one possible cause as an enzyme deficiency issue but that might more fit the symptom category.
Would you please give us some more information on the history of what led to this problem. I'm always wondering at causation and try to get to the bottom line cause for the symptoms. Often I find an infection that preceded symptoms, for instance.
So...could you give a brief history... like this; when did you first begin experiencing difficulties...from youth? From birth? Do you suspect genetic? As I said, I've often found a viral/ fungal ... pathogenic trigger, and hence "basis" for the symptoms.
Here's a typical story line...maybe it fits and maybe not: Victim X suffers from nausea for past five years. X first experienced illness four months after visiting Caribbean islands. Doctors cannot find cause. Possible answer; Parasites.
Or: Victim Y suffers from endocrine system issues with manifold symptoms. Six months prior to symptoms, suffered from severe case of strep. Possible cause; virus.
So, anything you can tell us as to cause...more of the history can help with underlying cause solution."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you GT Charlie. I discovered this thing about not having cold water this week and on the weekend when it finally hit me that my overnight lukewarm water had not bothered me at all to drink it. Usually I have it ice cold from the frig and so you are right on there. I will slice up my ginger and try that again. I use to make fresh ginger tea. I used to also keep fresh slices in my water jug to sip on as well and I see it is time to do this again. Cinammon too I love so will make sure it comes from Indonesia or Sri Lanka. Thanks so much for your input.Unfortunately I used the PPI Dexilant to get through the past two years and it is only when I realized it was also not working as well, that is when I knew I had to tackle this problem now. My problem is that I work 12 hr days and alot of that time is sitting at my desk and that is a problem too with that pressure. I spose I can heat up the ginger tea in the microwave at work although I hate to use it. Thanks again."
02/24/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Hee, hee, Morganspirit, I learn the Chinese stuff that I want, off the Internet and from books. I take the info that seems right to me and experiment with that. Why pay? Having said that, I did go to a practitioner to get the Chinese "diagnosis name" of my condition (according to them. I always take it all with a grain or two of Celtic Salt :))."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Canada: "Timh from Ky, I cannot tolerate even the smell of fish oil. I would be heaving before getting the capsule close to my throat but I was thinking that perhaps coconut oil might be a good substitute. Thanks. By the way I have a very sensitive stomach. Even happening upon a dead fly makes me vomit.To Dave:
Dave thanks for your reply. I do love papaya, but so many fruits made me throw up in the past three and half years that I gave up on them. I will try your suggestion with just a tiny amount at a time. I do know it has powerful enzymes and if it stays down, it would be wonderful to eat it as much as I can keep down.
As to the beginning of this problem, acid reflux began about five years ago at age 59, but it wasn't until the end of 2010 that it began to be uncomfortable.Up to the acid reflux beginning the only time I had stomach problems was my horrid reaction to smelly things or revolting looking things and then anything I had in my gut came up. I was one of those women during pregnancy who vomited the whole nine months.
Actually interesting you bring up possible parasites as a source cause I used to wonder about that. The day it began I had bought myself a frozen lasagne to have for a quick meal after work. I had just begun my present job the month before, twelve hour days and was too exhausted to stand at the counter and cook after a long day beginning at 4am.
This is the first time in my life I bought one of those dinners, since my preference is more holistic and fresh food, but I did and that night I did have a violent reaction like a stomach flu which continued for several days and then I caught a bad cold which turned into a bad chest infection. The chest infections have been recurring over the years since childhood when hay fever first hit. It always changed to chest infections which lasted for weeks and weeks and that could be asthma I found out recently.
Since I never got stomach flu's ever, it has only now occurred to me that it might not have been the lasagne at all and that it could have been a bad flu beginning with stomach and turning into the chest infection.
Back to the problem. I was coughing very much, pulling tummy muscles when the problem began late 2010, and this continued for weeks. After that finally ended the real problem began in my stomach and upper abdomen. Those weeks of horrid gut wrenching coughing must have caused the hiatal hernia. It just got worse and worse and my doctor sent me on the rounds to have ultrasounds on every organ and nothing showed up and finally after a year of this and being in exactly the state where I am now, I insisted on seeing a gastroenterologist and then had that diagnosis after a gastroscopy and biopsy, and told I had to take Dexilant for life.
It was such a relief to have a solution that I happily took those pills and then when I found out just how dire it is to the system it began to make me very uneasy and to want to find another way. I really didn't think there was another way until finding this forum...so then I have hope.
Another thing that happens when I have anything at all, even lukewarm water my tummy area around my belly button as a centre swells and hurts immediately and as I said it can begin before I even have the liquid or food.
I remembered giving my dog Slippery Elm when he had digestive issues and am thinking that perhaps that might be a good thing to drink prior to eating anything or drinking anything even water. Funny how I never thought of that before.
By the way, my job hours are very stressful for me and I have been doing it almost four years and that may have alot to do with it too. Next year I will be 65 and can retire so maybe that will make a difference if I can get through this without it all turning to esophageal cancer.
Thanks for your input and for any further suggestions."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello again Morgana (spirit) from Canada,So excited to get your follow up post!
The "history" of your disease ... and yours is indeed a disease is now much better understood by your last post.
You gave a great lay out of the key events and here's what I think given the evidence concerning the issue of causation and what is underlying the symptoms.
As you said, the day it all started (building on some reflux already present but not the main issue)... was the uncooked lasagna. I gather it was either under cooked or just let get to room temp from frozen condition. Couldn't tell which, but got for sure that it was not cooked.
Whatever... the problem was in the Lasagna. What was in it? Do you recall? And I doubt if you'd remember but do you recall if it was an imported variety. THAT would really give us a good slap on the huntin' dog's back if we knew it was a Mediterranean import. (Lots of Montezuma's revenge...yes, the Mediterranean... not just Mexico.) Amoeba, e coli, etc etc. are possible. Look up Amoebic dysentery on Wikipedia. The one of some interest is the "trophozoite" which is an amoeba that is non cyst forming. That amoeba produces symptoms without hurting liver. You need the BEST parasitologist to exclude the possibility that you do NOT have such infection.
Montezuma's revenge can be either viral or bacterial.
And let's just talk "mundane" infections caused by a good ol' American virus, fungus or bacteria.
You got the infection .... whatever it is from the lasagna. "The day it started..." that was the uncooked lasagna day.
What to do? Well, if me, I've already said I'd get a parasitologist to eliminate the possibility of parasites... and next...if not parasites, go to the old standbys to kill infections....Colloidal Silver (I now do a little dance at the mention of CS ... no doubt the Cherokee blood that runs through me).
I'd take a lot...I would be drinking at least six teaspoons of CS daily on empty stomach (which is what you usually have). I wrote a little article that the EC staff was nice enough to post under "Colloidal Silver" ...the Remedies section. I think mine's the second one.
So my contention is that CS will kill the underlying infection, if the experts say the problem is not a parasite. There are "natural" parasite killers covered in Earth Clinic, but after reading the autobiography "MD" which is about a parasitologist, I think I'd first get a determination of whether the cause just might be parasitic.
But do look at the Wiki article on Amoebic dysentery I mentioned and see if the symptoms discussed with the two types of amoeba relate to your problem. If not.... turn to virus killers....eg.....CS."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morgana,A paragraph I failed to put into the long post just below this one....yes a bad infection as you mentioned from childhood could be the cause... Still....either would indicate an infection as the cause. And that's what we're looking for ... the cause."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "hi Dave,The thing is I had a frozen lasagna probably McCains or something like that and of course I heated it in the oven for the requisite time.
Good idea on CS. Have some in my fridge. Thanks for your input. Morgana"
02/25/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "An update. Just wanted to tell you who contributed to my question that I am able to hold down avocado and papaya, so today for work I made myself a little salad with those, but I also added raw zucchini which I knew would be okay and I use the spiralizer to make it look like spaghetti. I also added raw apple and voila I have kept it all down and no heartburn.It is a beginning and beats having to survive on fettucine, which is not something I like but when it was the only thing to stay down for a meal, what the heck.
Morgana"
02/26/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morgana, thanks for coming back to report. We're delighted at the good news, it's a very good start!"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Many things can bring on a hiatal hernia...most common is while sitting- bending at the waist, as if to tie shoes. This will force the stomach into the diaphram. When the irritation begins things to avoid, temporally, (for 7 to 10 days) would be tomato sauce, spicy foods, COFFEE, too much ruffage as raw veggies, rice, and alcohol.What to eat would be stewed veggies, pasta-no tomato sauce. Cream sauce and the like is OK. Mainly soft foods. They do not have to be bland just not spicy. This will also cut down on acid reflux. And indigestion.
If this becomes chronic, a visit to a chiropractor that practices kenisiology Is in order. I do not know if ACV helps with this as I have not had to try it as yet."
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I have studied holistic health for most of my life and this medicine and its effects have worried me over the last almost two years. I am in a situation now where I cannot afford to buy it any longer either.
My concern is that I don't know what to take to cure the problem because of my symptoms so if anyone here has similar please let me know. People here have great success with ACV and Baking Soda. I did use baking soda before the problem got so intense I had to have the gastroscopy.
By the way at this time two years ago I did a 12 day fast on just organic aloe vera juice from whole foods I was that desperate. After that I decided to have a some organic veggie juice thinking I could now drink it and OMG it didn't last a moment in my system. Definitely it did me no good at all.
I throw up even water, but some foods surprisingly I discovered by accident I can keep down. I.e. pasta with cheese sauce, which I hadn't eaten for thirty years not liking it prior, but it was served for dinner where I was visiting. This blew my mind when I realized I wouldn't be throwing it up. Hard boiled eggs with a bit of butter I can keep down too. Veggies I can't keep down either. The problem I have is that I can't get past a mouthful of ACV without it coming right back up. I also have a greens organic, and a non-GMO, non-dairy, non-Soy protein powder full of good healthy ingredients, which I used to blend with coconut milk, and now I can't drink that either since stopping the PPI. I can only now drink little sips of water otherwise it comes back. Teas all come back after a mouthful. Coffee is out of the question entirely.
There must be a way to cure this and heal it holistically. I refuse to believe I have to live with this Dexilant which I read increases the possibility of stomach cancer if taking it over a long period. I also have osteoporosis before taking Dexilant and it must be even worse now. I feel that I am in very critical condition.
Another thing that happens is that the moment I even go to take my medication for hypothyroid and reach for the glass of water that my upper abdomen immediately swells and hurts and I haven't even had a sip yet. I sleep practically sitting up and now I also have developed this cough that causes me to throw up. I bring up a very clear gel like substance, not a mucous that is thick and then up comes my water or anything I have taken.
I would appreciate hearing back about this. Thanks."
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: It's obvious that the acid factor of ACV irritates your Esophagus, so do drop that. I had the same problem w/ the thyroid meds. One of the noticeable symptoms of hypothyroid is reduced ability to swallow, which implies that the esophagus is directly effected by insufficient thyroid hormones.So, the only way to bring about a fix is to treat the esophagus and the thyroid simultaneously. Starting w/ the thyroid, take the magnet on your refrigerator and apply it to your thyroid glands for 10 min 2x day. Switch from levothyroxine to Armor Thyroid meds w/ any luck from your MD. supplement Lugols Iodine (much info here on E.C.). Take 500mg L-Tyrosine 1x day for two weeks and then up to 500mg 2x day. At this point you may need to split the thyroid med in half but you will need thyroid checked for sure. Vit-E is very good for protecting all the glands and thus improving their function. The best form of E is mixed Tocopherols & Tocotrienols. Coconut Oil is also very good for the T.
Now for the esophagus. Burst 5,000 iu Vit-A in mouth and let it slowly drain down the throat or take small spoon of Cod Liver Oil by mouth using the slow method. 15 minutes later suck an Elderberry/Zinc Lozenge. These two should both strengthen and soothe. DGL form of Licorice will also help soothe."
02/22/2014: Jos from Thailand: "Hi to Morganaspirit in Vancouver,Sorry to hear of your gastric problems, have you tried mixing food thickeners to your food and drinks? There is a product called Nestagel which works quite well and helps to keep food down and without irritation, I believe it's mainly used for children and elderly people but maybe worth experimenting with, also try to research other food thickners which maybe of benefit to you as they coat the lining of your osophegus, and help to stop the burning sensation. Weight loss may be a problem for you and when desperate try Bengers food, another "old fashioned" food for invalids and children with hiatal hernia problems. Keeping yourself raised up when sleeping is essential for your oesophageal probs and I really wish you well. I had a young baby with reflux and I learnt about thickening food to keep it down in her stomach, I appreciate you are not an invalid but thought some of these ideas may help you."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Morganaspirit: I am not sure I can assist you but I can try. I am not sure why but I like to study the food plants, animals, and well people eat. After reading your sad story of so much suffering I am surprised you are alive. The reason I say this is because the cells require proper nourishment. When they don't get enough they eat the tissues. I believe this to be the root cause. I was very sick. The way I got well was to experiment. This is hard for a sick person to do so maybe getting a loved one to assist would be a good idea. Vegetables want to be fertilizer for the seeds so they make some of their nutrients hard to digest to discourage herbivores from eating them. Fruits want to be eaten for herbivores to propagate the seeds. Their nutrients are easily digested. The most easily digestible fruit is banana. Whole Foods has whole trade bananas. These are organically grown but lack the costly certification. They are also the least costly. You can try raw wildflower honey. Avocados are also easy to digest. Because you were able to eat cheese, eggs, and butter, you can try raw vital pastured eggs, raw grass fed hamburger, colostrum, and raw cheese. You can try black chia seeds. They are less costly online. Brown Cow plain yogurt might be beneficial. In my opinion you are going to have to find some raw organic and grass fed whole foods that you can eat so you can recover."
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morganspirit, sounds like you have to have well-cooked, easily digestible foods for right now. Look into Traditional Chinese Medicine for your situation."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you Timh from Ky, and Somewhere, Europe, jos from Thailand, and Mike 62 from Denver. I appreciate all of your input. I do love avocadoes Mike, bananas I am very allergic to unfortunately cause I love them.Jos, food thickeners sound like a very good idea because they coat the lining of the esophagus. I have never heard of them so will research as soon as I get off this site.
Timh, I do take desiccated thyroid. Learned that one a few years ago! But you are right that the thyroid seems to be mixed up with everything. I never thought of using a magnet on my thyroid but what a great idea. I need a lot of thyroid every day so it would be amazing to split it in half. I will certainly try the Vit-A. Does it taste fishy though? Thinking of Cod liver oil you mentioned. Aside from the esophagus problems I have a very difficult time with smells, especially fishy smell. I can't even walk into a fish store without throwing up. I take coconut oil and use it for cooking. Perhaps that would work as well as Vit-A?
I am going to try these ideas you all gave me today, and Somewhere, Europe you suggested TCM. I went to a naturopath who taught at the TCM college here and he was useless. His big plan was for me buy his protein powder and take that daily as well as pay him $150/hr for his consult. He gave me a sample and it upchucked within five minutes so I am a bit distrustful of TCM if that is the recommendation. I like the ones I got here today and will use them all. Thank you."
02/23/2014: Gtcharlie from Los Angeles, Ca: "Hi Morganaspirit,I want to chip in a few points here that is away from the main drag; not with the intention to negate what others say, but to add a different approach that is more in line with the Eastern philosophy.
1. Avoid all cold drinks or foods, including raw foods taken cold, even water from the refrigerator! Because you don't want to excite your stomach needlessly. And you don't want to lower your body's core temperature suddenly either. So, please stick to foods/drinks that are a bit above lukewarm, but way lower than to burn your mouth.
2. Use ginger as often as you can, but not as much as you can. Large amount of ginger can upset your stomach, in moderation, it can curb regurgitation effectively. Ginger can also warm your stomach up which will reduce the excessive stomach acid. GERD can be from insufficient stomach acid in some cases especially with the elderlies. But judging from what you say about the ACV, it is not your case.
The best way is to take a ginger tea with honey daily - thinly cut fresh ginger 15-20 slices with skin on, add in 8 oz of water and bring it to boil. Remove from the stove and stir in one t-spoon honey. Press the ginger slices a bit while mixing the honey in with the spoon. Save half of this concoction in a thermal for later use. Sip this tea slowly as hot as you can take. Inhale the steam through your nostrils while waiting for the tea to cool down a bit. By doing so, you can warm up your upper chest. Reheat the rest from the thermal a few hours later to finish it. Less in amount and more in frequency is the key to avoid burdening your stomach. If you can take in the whole 8 oz once, then brew a second cup later.
Always add some fresh ginger in your cooking. Ginger candy is a good choice for snacking.
If you like cinnamon, you can use it to replace ginger at times or supplementing the ginger tea with it. But be sure to buy the cinnamon from Indonesia or Srilanka since it is for medicinal purpose. You will find them at Amazon.
3. Take liquid foods for easy digestion; thick soap like beef and barley is a good choice. Avoid foods that cause bloating and gas. Chew slowly and longer when eating solid foods to let the saliva to breakdown carbohydrates. Proper nutrition plays a big part in one's health!
4. Rub your stomach often: use both hands to rub your stomach (right under the sternum) with a little pressure. Move in a circular motion and reverse the direction alternatively. Give it a few pumps if you can in between. Do it before meals and relax your stomach muscle by practicing deep breathing at times. You need to strengthen your diaphram.
If these help and when situation is stabilized, you can start making fresh potato juice in the morning and drink it with an empty stomach - at least half an hour prior to breakfast. Add an apple if you like. But be sure to leave both the potato and apple out of the refrigerator to prevent taking in cold liquid in the morning!
Potato juicing is good to curb cancer cells, and for any ulcer too! A very popular remedy in Asia popularized by a welknown Japanese monk.
All the best to you!"
02/24/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: Yes, the Cod Liver Oil or Vit-A smells like fish, so you will need to fallow it directly w/ Elder/Zinc Lozenge. The Iodine/L-Tyrosine will likely be necessary in improving your T hormone status for the short-term until you do the Magnet, Vit-A, and Zinc begin protecting and healing the Thyroid. All this has worked for me as my last test showed normal without having previously taken levothyroxine for many weeks.Do report your results for others."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morganaspirit,Really, my heart goes out to you...you have suffered so much.
I love what the EC writers have posted and have two observations:
First, to add to the previous suggestions on what you might be able to eat, have you tried papaya? The raw fruit, not the capsules but the fruit itself?
Papaya is an amazing fruit packed with enzymatic power... soothing to the lining of irritated throat and stomach...it is wonderfully anti nausea. What ever is causing the problem, you certainly are deficient in enzymes and a good starting point is papaya. Start with the real fruit as I said and after eliminating the tiny black seeds (a good source of anti parasites) just take a tiny bit on spoon and eat. If no negative reaction, try a quarter teaspoon and so forth until you can eat a quarter cup at a time. If you can tolerate that much, the Papaya will start its wonder working impact on your system.
Second, I'd love to more find out the CAUSE of what you are experiencing. I understand the Barretts Syndrome diagnosis, but I mean before that. Here is my point; We are dealing with (largely) what you can eat now. That is vital because clearly there is a sense of urgency here...and that is why I threw in my suggestion of papaya. But all these suggestions, by and large, speak to the symptoms and do not address the cause.
I guessed one possible cause as an enzyme deficiency issue but that might more fit the symptom category.
Would you please give us some more information on the history of what led to this problem. I'm always wondering at causation and try to get to the bottom line cause for the symptoms. Often I find an infection that preceded symptoms, for instance.
So...could you give a brief history... like this; when did you first begin experiencing difficulties...from youth? From birth? Do you suspect genetic? As I said, I've often found a viral/ fungal ... pathogenic trigger, and hence "basis" for the symptoms.
Here's a typical story line...maybe it fits and maybe not: Victim X suffers from nausea for past five years. X first experienced illness four months after visiting Caribbean islands. Doctors cannot find cause. Possible answer; Parasites.
Or: Victim Y suffers from endocrine system issues with manifold symptoms. Six months prior to symptoms, suffered from severe case of strep. Possible cause; virus.
So, anything you can tell us as to cause...more of the history can help with underlying cause solution."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you GT Charlie. I discovered this thing about not having cold water this week and on the weekend when it finally hit me that my overnight lukewarm water had not bothered me at all to drink it. Usually I have it ice cold from the frig and so you are right on there. I will slice up my ginger and try that again. I use to make fresh ginger tea. I used to also keep fresh slices in my water jug to sip on as well and I see it is time to do this again. Cinammon too I love so will make sure it comes from Indonesia or Sri Lanka. Thanks so much for your input.Unfortunately I used the PPI Dexilant to get through the past two years and it is only when I realized it was also not working as well, that is when I knew I had to tackle this problem now. My problem is that I work 12 hr days and alot of that time is sitting at my desk and that is a problem too with that pressure. I spose I can heat up the ginger tea in the microwave at work although I hate to use it. Thanks again."
02/24/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Hee, hee, Morganspirit, I learn the Chinese stuff that I want, off the Internet and from books. I take the info that seems right to me and experiment with that. Why pay? Having said that, I did go to a practitioner to get the Chinese "diagnosis name" of my condition (according to them. I always take it all with a grain or two of Celtic Salt :))."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Canada: "Timh from Ky, I cannot tolerate even the smell of fish oil. I would be heaving before getting the capsule close to my throat but I was thinking that perhaps coconut oil might be a good substitute. Thanks. By the way I have a very sensitive stomach. Even happening upon a dead fly makes me vomit.To Dave:
Dave thanks for your reply. I do love papaya, but so many fruits made me throw up in the past three and half years that I gave up on them. I will try your suggestion with just a tiny amount at a time. I do know it has powerful enzymes and if it stays down, it would be wonderful to eat it as much as I can keep down.
As to the beginning of this problem, acid reflux began about five years ago at age 59, but it wasn't until the end of 2010 that it began to be uncomfortable.Up to the acid reflux beginning the only time I had stomach problems was my horrid reaction to smelly things or revolting looking things and then anything I had in my gut came up. I was one of those women during pregnancy who vomited the whole nine months.
Actually interesting you bring up possible parasites as a source cause I used to wonder about that. The day it began I had bought myself a frozen lasagne to have for a quick meal after work. I had just begun my present job the month before, twelve hour days and was too exhausted to stand at the counter and cook after a long day beginning at 4am.
This is the first time in my life I bought one of those dinners, since my preference is more holistic and fresh food, but I did and that night I did have a violent reaction like a stomach flu which continued for several days and then I caught a bad cold which turned into a bad chest infection. The chest infections have been recurring over the years since childhood when hay fever first hit. It always changed to chest infections which lasted for weeks and weeks and that could be asthma I found out recently.
Since I never got stomach flu's ever, it has only now occurred to me that it might not have been the lasagne at all and that it could have been a bad flu beginning with stomach and turning into the chest infection.
Back to the problem. I was coughing very much, pulling tummy muscles when the problem began late 2010, and this continued for weeks. After that finally ended the real problem began in my stomach and upper abdomen. Those weeks of horrid gut wrenching coughing must have caused the hiatal hernia. It just got worse and worse and my doctor sent me on the rounds to have ultrasounds on every organ and nothing showed up and finally after a year of this and being in exactly the state where I am now, I insisted on seeing a gastroenterologist and then had that diagnosis after a gastroscopy and biopsy, and told I had to take Dexilant for life.
It was such a relief to have a solution that I happily took those pills and then when I found out just how dire it is to the system it began to make me very uneasy and to want to find another way. I really didn't think there was another way until finding this forum...so then I have hope.
Another thing that happens when I have anything at all, even lukewarm water my tummy area around my belly button as a centre swells and hurts immediately and as I said it can begin before I even have the liquid or food.
I remembered giving my dog Slippery Elm when he had digestive issues and am thinking that perhaps that might be a good thing to drink prior to eating anything or drinking anything even water. Funny how I never thought of that before.
By the way, my job hours are very stressful for me and I have been doing it almost four years and that may have alot to do with it too. Next year I will be 65 and can retire so maybe that will make a difference if I can get through this without it all turning to esophageal cancer.
Thanks for your input and for any further suggestions."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello again Morgana (spirit) from Canada,So excited to get your follow up post!
The "history" of your disease ... and yours is indeed a disease is now much better understood by your last post.
You gave a great lay out of the key events and here's what I think given the evidence concerning the issue of causation and what is underlying the symptoms.
As you said, the day it all started (building on some reflux already present but not the main issue)... was the uncooked lasagna. I gather it was either under cooked or just let get to room temp from frozen condition. Couldn't tell which, but got for sure that it was not cooked.
Whatever... the problem was in the Lasagna. What was in it? Do you recall? And I doubt if you'd remember but do you recall if it was an imported variety. THAT would really give us a good slap on the huntin' dog's back if we knew it was a Mediterranean import. (Lots of Montezuma's revenge...yes, the Mediterranean... not just Mexico.) Amoeba, e coli, etc etc. are possible. Look up Amoebic dysentery on Wikipedia. The one of some interest is the "trophozoite" which is an amoeba that is non cyst forming. That amoeba produces symptoms without hurting liver. You need the BEST parasitologist to exclude the possibility that you do NOT have such infection.
Montezuma's revenge can be either viral or bacterial.
And let's just talk "mundane" infections caused by a good ol' American virus, fungus or bacteria.
You got the infection .... whatever it is from the lasagna. "The day it started..." that was the uncooked lasagna day.
What to do? Well, if me, I've already said I'd get a parasitologist to eliminate the possibility of parasites... and next...if not parasites, go to the old standbys to kill infections....Colloidal Silver (I now do a little dance at the mention of CS ... no doubt the Cherokee blood that runs through me).
I'd take a lot...I would be drinking at least six teaspoons of CS daily on empty stomach (which is what you usually have). I wrote a little article that the EC staff was nice enough to post under "Colloidal Silver" ...the Remedies section. I think mine's the second one.
So my contention is that CS will kill the underlying infection, if the experts say the problem is not a parasite. There are "natural" parasite killers covered in Earth Clinic, but after reading the autobiography "MD" which is about a parasitologist, I think I'd first get a determination of whether the cause just might be parasitic.
But do look at the Wiki article on Amoebic dysentery I mentioned and see if the symptoms discussed with the two types of amoeba relate to your problem. If not.... turn to virus killers....eg.....CS."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morgana,A paragraph I failed to put into the long post just below this one....yes a bad infection as you mentioned from childhood could be the cause... Still....either would indicate an infection as the cause. And that's what we're looking for ... the cause."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "hi Dave,The thing is I had a frozen lasagna probably McCains or something like that and of course I heated it in the oven for the requisite time.
Good idea on CS. Have some in my fridge. Thanks for your input. Morgana"
02/25/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "An update. Just wanted to tell you who contributed to my question that I am able to hold down avocado and papaya, so today for work I made myself a little salad with those, but I also added raw zucchini which I knew would be okay and I use the spiralizer to make it look like spaghetti. I also added raw apple and voila I have kept it all down and no heartburn.It is a beginning and beats having to survive on fettucine, which is not something I like but when it was the only thing to stay down for a meal, what the heck.
Morgana"
02/26/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morgana, thanks for coming back to report. We're delighted at the good news, it's a very good start!"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Many things can bring on a hiatal hernia...most common is while sitting- bending at the waist, as if to tie shoes. This will force the stomach into the diaphram. When the irritation begins things to avoid, temporally, (for 7 to 10 days) would be tomato sauce, spicy foods, COFFEE, too much ruffage as raw veggies, rice, and alcohol.What to eat would be stewed veggies, pasta-no tomato sauce. Cream sauce and the like is OK. Mainly soft foods. They do not have to be bland just not spicy. This will also cut down on acid reflux. And indigestion.
If this becomes chronic, a visit to a chiropractor that practices kenisiology Is in order. I do not know if ACV helps with this as I have not had to try it as yet."
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Sorry to hear of your gastric problems, have you tried mixing food thickeners to your food and drinks? There is a product called Nestagel which works quite well and helps to keep food down and without irritation, I believe it's mainly used for children and elderly people but maybe worth experimenting with, also try to research other food thickners which maybe of benefit to you as they coat the lining of your osophegus, and help to stop the burning sensation. Weight loss may be a problem for you and when desperate try Bengers food, another "old fashioned" food for invalids and children with hiatal hernia problems. Keeping yourself raised up when sleeping is essential for your oesophageal probs and I really wish you well. I had a young baby with reflux and I learnt about thickening food to keep it down in her stomach, I appreciate you are not an invalid but thought some of these ideas may help you."
I have studied holistic health for most of my life and this medicine and its effects have worried me over the last almost two years. I am in a situation now where I cannot afford to buy it any longer either.
My concern is that I don't know what to take to cure the problem because of my symptoms so if anyone here has similar please let me know. People here have great success with ACV and Baking Soda. I did use baking soda before the problem got so intense I had to have the gastroscopy.
By the way at this time two years ago I did a 12 day fast on just organic aloe vera juice from whole foods I was that desperate. After that I decided to have a some organic veggie juice thinking I could now drink it and OMG it didn't last a moment in my system. Definitely it did me no good at all.
I throw up even water, but some foods surprisingly I discovered by accident I can keep down. I.e. pasta with cheese sauce, which I hadn't eaten for thirty years not liking it prior, but it was served for dinner where I was visiting. This blew my mind when I realized I wouldn't be throwing it up. Hard boiled eggs with a bit of butter I can keep down too. Veggies I can't keep down either. The problem I have is that I can't get past a mouthful of ACV without it coming right back up. I also have a greens organic, and a non-GMO, non-dairy, non-Soy protein powder full of good healthy ingredients, which I used to blend with coconut milk, and now I can't drink that either since stopping the PPI. I can only now drink little sips of water otherwise it comes back. Teas all come back after a mouthful. Coffee is out of the question entirely.
There must be a way to cure this and heal it holistically. I refuse to believe I have to live with this Dexilant which I read increases the possibility of stomach cancer if taking it over a long period. I also have osteoporosis before taking Dexilant and it must be even worse now. I feel that I am in very critical condition.
Another thing that happens is that the moment I even go to take my medication for hypothyroid and reach for the glass of water that my upper abdomen immediately swells and hurts and I haven't even had a sip yet. I sleep practically sitting up and now I also have developed this cough that causes me to throw up. I bring up a very clear gel like substance, not a mucous that is thick and then up comes my water or anything I have taken.
I would appreciate hearing back about this. Thanks."
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: It's obvious that the acid factor of ACV irritates your Esophagus, so do drop that. I had the same problem w/ the thyroid meds. One of the noticeable symptoms of hypothyroid is reduced ability to swallow, which implies that the esophagus is directly effected by insufficient thyroid hormones.So, the only way to bring about a fix is to treat the esophagus and the thyroid simultaneously. Starting w/ the thyroid, take the magnet on your refrigerator and apply it to your thyroid glands for 10 min 2x day. Switch from levothyroxine to Armor Thyroid meds w/ any luck from your MD. supplement Lugols Iodine (much info here on E.C.). Take 500mg L-Tyrosine 1x day for two weeks and then up to 500mg 2x day. At this point you may need to split the thyroid med in half but you will need thyroid checked for sure. Vit-E is very good for protecting all the glands and thus improving their function. The best form of E is mixed Tocopherols & Tocotrienols. Coconut Oil is also very good for the T.
Now for the esophagus. Burst 5,000 iu Vit-A in mouth and let it slowly drain down the throat or take small spoon of Cod Liver Oil by mouth using the slow method. 15 minutes later suck an Elderberry/Zinc Lozenge. These two should both strengthen and soothe. DGL form of Licorice will also help soothe."
02/22/2014: Jos from Thailand: "Hi to Morganaspirit in Vancouver,Sorry to hear of your gastric problems, have you tried mixing food thickeners to your food and drinks? There is a product called Nestagel which works quite well and helps to keep food down and without irritation, I believe it's mainly used for children and elderly people but maybe worth experimenting with, also try to research other food thickners which maybe of benefit to you as they coat the lining of your osophegus, and help to stop the burning sensation. Weight loss may be a problem for you and when desperate try Bengers food, another "old fashioned" food for invalids and children with hiatal hernia problems. Keeping yourself raised up when sleeping is essential for your oesophageal probs and I really wish you well. I had a young baby with reflux and I learnt about thickening food to keep it down in her stomach, I appreciate you are not an invalid but thought some of these ideas may help you."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Morganaspirit: I am not sure I can assist you but I can try. I am not sure why but I like to study the food plants, animals, and well people eat. After reading your sad story of so much suffering I am surprised you are alive. The reason I say this is because the cells require proper nourishment. When they don't get enough they eat the tissues. I believe this to be the root cause. I was very sick. The way I got well was to experiment. This is hard for a sick person to do so maybe getting a loved one to assist would be a good idea. Vegetables want to be fertilizer for the seeds so they make some of their nutrients hard to digest to discourage herbivores from eating them. Fruits want to be eaten for herbivores to propagate the seeds. Their nutrients are easily digested. The most easily digestible fruit is banana. Whole Foods has whole trade bananas. These are organically grown but lack the costly certification. They are also the least costly. You can try raw wildflower honey. Avocados are also easy to digest. Because you were able to eat cheese, eggs, and butter, you can try raw vital pastured eggs, raw grass fed hamburger, colostrum, and raw cheese. You can try black chia seeds. They are less costly online. Brown Cow plain yogurt might be beneficial. In my opinion you are going to have to find some raw organic and grass fed whole foods that you can eat so you can recover."
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morganspirit, sounds like you have to have well-cooked, easily digestible foods for right now. Look into Traditional Chinese Medicine for your situation."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you Timh from Ky, and Somewhere, Europe, jos from Thailand, and Mike 62 from Denver. I appreciate all of your input. I do love avocadoes Mike, bananas I am very allergic to unfortunately cause I love them.Jos, food thickeners sound like a very good idea because they coat the lining of the esophagus. I have never heard of them so will research as soon as I get off this site.
Timh, I do take desiccated thyroid. Learned that one a few years ago! But you are right that the thyroid seems to be mixed up with everything. I never thought of using a magnet on my thyroid but what a great idea. I need a lot of thyroid every day so it would be amazing to split it in half. I will certainly try the Vit-A. Does it taste fishy though? Thinking of Cod liver oil you mentioned. Aside from the esophagus problems I have a very difficult time with smells, especially fishy smell. I can't even walk into a fish store without throwing up. I take coconut oil and use it for cooking. Perhaps that would work as well as Vit-A?
I am going to try these ideas you all gave me today, and Somewhere, Europe you suggested TCM. I went to a naturopath who taught at the TCM college here and he was useless. His big plan was for me buy his protein powder and take that daily as well as pay him $150/hr for his consult. He gave me a sample and it upchucked within five minutes so I am a bit distrustful of TCM if that is the recommendation. I like the ones I got here today and will use them all. Thank you."
02/23/2014: Gtcharlie from Los Angeles, Ca: "Hi Morganaspirit,I want to chip in a few points here that is away from the main drag; not with the intention to negate what others say, but to add a different approach that is more in line with the Eastern philosophy.
1. Avoid all cold drinks or foods, including raw foods taken cold, even water from the refrigerator! Because you don't want to excite your stomach needlessly. And you don't want to lower your body's core temperature suddenly either. So, please stick to foods/drinks that are a bit above lukewarm, but way lower than to burn your mouth.
2. Use ginger as often as you can, but not as much as you can. Large amount of ginger can upset your stomach, in moderation, it can curb regurgitation effectively. Ginger can also warm your stomach up which will reduce the excessive stomach acid. GERD can be from insufficient stomach acid in some cases especially with the elderlies. But judging from what you say about the ACV, it is not your case.
The best way is to take a ginger tea with honey daily - thinly cut fresh ginger 15-20 slices with skin on, add in 8 oz of water and bring it to boil. Remove from the stove and stir in one t-spoon honey. Press the ginger slices a bit while mixing the honey in with the spoon. Save half of this concoction in a thermal for later use. Sip this tea slowly as hot as you can take. Inhale the steam through your nostrils while waiting for the tea to cool down a bit. By doing so, you can warm up your upper chest. Reheat the rest from the thermal a few hours later to finish it. Less in amount and more in frequency is the key to avoid burdening your stomach. If you can take in the whole 8 oz once, then brew a second cup later.
Always add some fresh ginger in your cooking. Ginger candy is a good choice for snacking.
If you like cinnamon, you can use it to replace ginger at times or supplementing the ginger tea with it. But be sure to buy the cinnamon from Indonesia or Srilanka since it is for medicinal purpose. You will find them at Amazon.
3. Take liquid foods for easy digestion; thick soap like beef and barley is a good choice. Avoid foods that cause bloating and gas. Chew slowly and longer when eating solid foods to let the saliva to breakdown carbohydrates. Proper nutrition plays a big part in one's health!
4. Rub your stomach often: use both hands to rub your stomach (right under the sternum) with a little pressure. Move in a circular motion and reverse the direction alternatively. Give it a few pumps if you can in between. Do it before meals and relax your stomach muscle by practicing deep breathing at times. You need to strengthen your diaphram.
If these help and when situation is stabilized, you can start making fresh potato juice in the morning and drink it with an empty stomach - at least half an hour prior to breakfast. Add an apple if you like. But be sure to leave both the potato and apple out of the refrigerator to prevent taking in cold liquid in the morning!
Potato juicing is good to curb cancer cells, and for any ulcer too! A very popular remedy in Asia popularized by a welknown Japanese monk.
All the best to you!"
02/24/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: Yes, the Cod Liver Oil or Vit-A smells like fish, so you will need to fallow it directly w/ Elder/Zinc Lozenge. The Iodine/L-Tyrosine will likely be necessary in improving your T hormone status for the short-term until you do the Magnet, Vit-A, and Zinc begin protecting and healing the Thyroid. All this has worked for me as my last test showed normal without having previously taken levothyroxine for many weeks.Do report your results for others."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morganaspirit,Really, my heart goes out to you...you have suffered so much.
I love what the EC writers have posted and have two observations:
First, to add to the previous suggestions on what you might be able to eat, have you tried papaya? The raw fruit, not the capsules but the fruit itself?
Papaya is an amazing fruit packed with enzymatic power... soothing to the lining of irritated throat and stomach...it is wonderfully anti nausea. What ever is causing the problem, you certainly are deficient in enzymes and a good starting point is papaya. Start with the real fruit as I said and after eliminating the tiny black seeds (a good source of anti parasites) just take a tiny bit on spoon and eat. If no negative reaction, try a quarter teaspoon and so forth until you can eat a quarter cup at a time. If you can tolerate that much, the Papaya will start its wonder working impact on your system.
Second, I'd love to more find out the CAUSE of what you are experiencing. I understand the Barretts Syndrome diagnosis, but I mean before that. Here is my point; We are dealing with (largely) what you can eat now. That is vital because clearly there is a sense of urgency here...and that is why I threw in my suggestion of papaya. But all these suggestions, by and large, speak to the symptoms and do not address the cause.
I guessed one possible cause as an enzyme deficiency issue but that might more fit the symptom category.
Would you please give us some more information on the history of what led to this problem. I'm always wondering at causation and try to get to the bottom line cause for the symptoms. Often I find an infection that preceded symptoms, for instance.
So...could you give a brief history... like this; when did you first begin experiencing difficulties...from youth? From birth? Do you suspect genetic? As I said, I've often found a viral/ fungal ... pathogenic trigger, and hence "basis" for the symptoms.
Here's a typical story line...maybe it fits and maybe not: Victim X suffers from nausea for past five years. X first experienced illness four months after visiting Caribbean islands. Doctors cannot find cause. Possible answer; Parasites.
Or: Victim Y suffers from endocrine system issues with manifold symptoms. Six months prior to symptoms, suffered from severe case of strep. Possible cause; virus.
So, anything you can tell us as to cause...more of the history can help with underlying cause solution."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you GT Charlie. I discovered this thing about not having cold water this week and on the weekend when it finally hit me that my overnight lukewarm water had not bothered me at all to drink it. Usually I have it ice cold from the frig and so you are right on there. I will slice up my ginger and try that again. I use to make fresh ginger tea. I used to also keep fresh slices in my water jug to sip on as well and I see it is time to do this again. Cinammon too I love so will make sure it comes from Indonesia or Sri Lanka. Thanks so much for your input.Unfortunately I used the PPI Dexilant to get through the past two years and it is only when I realized it was also not working as well, that is when I knew I had to tackle this problem now. My problem is that I work 12 hr days and alot of that time is sitting at my desk and that is a problem too with that pressure. I spose I can heat up the ginger tea in the microwave at work although I hate to use it. Thanks again."
02/24/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Hee, hee, Morganspirit, I learn the Chinese stuff that I want, off the Internet and from books. I take the info that seems right to me and experiment with that. Why pay? Having said that, I did go to a practitioner to get the Chinese "diagnosis name" of my condition (according to them. I always take it all with a grain or two of Celtic Salt :))."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Canada: "Timh from Ky, I cannot tolerate even the smell of fish oil. I would be heaving before getting the capsule close to my throat but I was thinking that perhaps coconut oil might be a good substitute. Thanks. By the way I have a very sensitive stomach. Even happening upon a dead fly makes me vomit.To Dave:
Dave thanks for your reply. I do love papaya, but so many fruits made me throw up in the past three and half years that I gave up on them. I will try your suggestion with just a tiny amount at a time. I do know it has powerful enzymes and if it stays down, it would be wonderful to eat it as much as I can keep down.
As to the beginning of this problem, acid reflux began about five years ago at age 59, but it wasn't until the end of 2010 that it began to be uncomfortable.Up to the acid reflux beginning the only time I had stomach problems was my horrid reaction to smelly things or revolting looking things and then anything I had in my gut came up. I was one of those women during pregnancy who vomited the whole nine months.
Actually interesting you bring up possible parasites as a source cause I used to wonder about that. The day it began I had bought myself a frozen lasagne to have for a quick meal after work. I had just begun my present job the month before, twelve hour days and was too exhausted to stand at the counter and cook after a long day beginning at 4am.
This is the first time in my life I bought one of those dinners, since my preference is more holistic and fresh food, but I did and that night I did have a violent reaction like a stomach flu which continued for several days and then I caught a bad cold which turned into a bad chest infection. The chest infections have been recurring over the years since childhood when hay fever first hit. It always changed to chest infections which lasted for weeks and weeks and that could be asthma I found out recently.
Since I never got stomach flu's ever, it has only now occurred to me that it might not have been the lasagne at all and that it could have been a bad flu beginning with stomach and turning into the chest infection.
Back to the problem. I was coughing very much, pulling tummy muscles when the problem began late 2010, and this continued for weeks. After that finally ended the real problem began in my stomach and upper abdomen. Those weeks of horrid gut wrenching coughing must have caused the hiatal hernia. It just got worse and worse and my doctor sent me on the rounds to have ultrasounds on every organ and nothing showed up and finally after a year of this and being in exactly the state where I am now, I insisted on seeing a gastroenterologist and then had that diagnosis after a gastroscopy and biopsy, and told I had to take Dexilant for life.
It was such a relief to have a solution that I happily took those pills and then when I found out just how dire it is to the system it began to make me very uneasy and to want to find another way. I really didn't think there was another way until finding this forum...so then I have hope.
Another thing that happens when I have anything at all, even lukewarm water my tummy area around my belly button as a centre swells and hurts immediately and as I said it can begin before I even have the liquid or food.
I remembered giving my dog Slippery Elm when he had digestive issues and am thinking that perhaps that might be a good thing to drink prior to eating anything or drinking anything even water. Funny how I never thought of that before.
By the way, my job hours are very stressful for me and I have been doing it almost four years and that may have alot to do with it too. Next year I will be 65 and can retire so maybe that will make a difference if I can get through this without it all turning to esophageal cancer.
Thanks for your input and for any further suggestions."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello again Morgana (spirit) from Canada,So excited to get your follow up post!
The "history" of your disease ... and yours is indeed a disease is now much better understood by your last post.
You gave a great lay out of the key events and here's what I think given the evidence concerning the issue of causation and what is underlying the symptoms.
As you said, the day it all started (building on some reflux already present but not the main issue)... was the uncooked lasagna. I gather it was either under cooked or just let get to room temp from frozen condition. Couldn't tell which, but got for sure that it was not cooked.
Whatever... the problem was in the Lasagna. What was in it? Do you recall? And I doubt if you'd remember but do you recall if it was an imported variety. THAT would really give us a good slap on the huntin' dog's back if we knew it was a Mediterranean import. (Lots of Montezuma's revenge...yes, the Mediterranean... not just Mexico.) Amoeba, e coli, etc etc. are possible. Look up Amoebic dysentery on Wikipedia. The one of some interest is the "trophozoite" which is an amoeba that is non cyst forming. That amoeba produces symptoms without hurting liver. You need the BEST parasitologist to exclude the possibility that you do NOT have such infection.
Montezuma's revenge can be either viral or bacterial.
And let's just talk "mundane" infections caused by a good ol' American virus, fungus or bacteria.
You got the infection .... whatever it is from the lasagna. "The day it started..." that was the uncooked lasagna day.
What to do? Well, if me, I've already said I'd get a parasitologist to eliminate the possibility of parasites... and next...if not parasites, go to the old standbys to kill infections....Colloidal Silver (I now do a little dance at the mention of CS ... no doubt the Cherokee blood that runs through me).
I'd take a lot...I would be drinking at least six teaspoons of CS daily on empty stomach (which is what you usually have). I wrote a little article that the EC staff was nice enough to post under "Colloidal Silver" ...the Remedies section. I think mine's the second one.
So my contention is that CS will kill the underlying infection, if the experts say the problem is not a parasite. There are "natural" parasite killers covered in Earth Clinic, but after reading the autobiography "MD" which is about a parasitologist, I think I'd first get a determination of whether the cause just might be parasitic.
But do look at the Wiki article on Amoebic dysentery I mentioned and see if the symptoms discussed with the two types of amoeba relate to your problem. If not.... turn to virus killers....eg.....CS."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morgana,A paragraph I failed to put into the long post just below this one....yes a bad infection as you mentioned from childhood could be the cause... Still....either would indicate an infection as the cause. And that's what we're looking for ... the cause."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "hi Dave,The thing is I had a frozen lasagna probably McCains or something like that and of course I heated it in the oven for the requisite time.
Good idea on CS. Have some in my fridge. Thanks for your input. Morgana"
02/25/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "An update. Just wanted to tell you who contributed to my question that I am able to hold down avocado and papaya, so today for work I made myself a little salad with those, but I also added raw zucchini which I knew would be okay and I use the spiralizer to make it look like spaghetti. I also added raw apple and voila I have kept it all down and no heartburn.It is a beginning and beats having to survive on fettucine, which is not something I like but when it was the only thing to stay down for a meal, what the heck.
Morgana"
02/26/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morgana, thanks for coming back to report. We're delighted at the good news, it's a very good start!"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Many things can bring on a hiatal hernia...most common is while sitting- bending at the waist, as if to tie shoes. This will force the stomach into the diaphram. When the irritation begins things to avoid, temporally, (for 7 to 10 days) would be tomato sauce, spicy foods, COFFEE, too much ruffage as raw veggies, rice, and alcohol.What to eat would be stewed veggies, pasta-no tomato sauce. Cream sauce and the like is OK. Mainly soft foods. They do not have to be bland just not spicy. This will also cut down on acid reflux. And indigestion.
If this becomes chronic, a visit to a chiropractor that practices kenisiology Is in order. I do not know if ACV helps with this as I have not had to try it as yet."
Sun, 23 Feb 14 02:56:25 -0600
DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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So, the only way to bring about a fix is to treat the esophagus and the thyroid simultaneously. Starting w/ the thyroid, take the magnet on your refrigerator and apply it to your thyroid glands for 10 min 2x day. Switch from levothyroxine to Armor Thyroid meds w/ any luck from your MD. supplement Lugols Iodine (much info here on E.C.). Take 500mg L-Tyrosine 1x day for two weeks and then up to 500mg 2x day. At this point you may need to split the thyroid med in half but you will need thyroid checked for sure. Vit-E is very good for protecting all the glands and thus improving their function. The best form of E is mixed Tocopherols & Tocotrienols. Coconut Oil is also very good for the T.
Now for the esophagus. Burst 5,000 iu Vit-A in mouth and let it slowly drain down the throat or take small spoon of Cod Liver Oil by mouth using the slow method. 15 minutes later suck an Elderberry/Zinc Lozenge. These two should both strengthen and soothe. DGL form of Licorice will also help soothe."
I have studied holistic health for most of my life and this medicine and its effects have worried me over the last almost two years. I am in a situation now where I cannot afford to buy it any longer either.
My concern is that I don't know what to take to cure the problem because of my symptoms so if anyone here has similar please let me know. People here have great success with ACV and Baking Soda. I did use baking soda before the problem got so intense I had to have the gastroscopy.
By the way at this time two years ago I did a 12 day fast on just organic aloe vera juice from whole foods I was that desperate. After that I decided to have a some organic veggie juice thinking I could now drink it and OMG it didn't last a moment in my system. Definitely it did me no good at all.
I throw up even water, but some foods surprisingly I discovered by accident I can keep down. I.e. pasta with cheese sauce, which I hadn't eaten for thirty years not liking it prior, but it was served for dinner where I was visiting. This blew my mind when I realized I wouldn't be throwing it up. Hard boiled eggs with a bit of butter I can keep down too. Veggies I can't keep down either. The problem I have is that I can't get past a mouthful of ACV without it coming right back up. I also have a greens organic, and a non-GMO, non-dairy, non-Soy protein powder full of good healthy ingredients, which I used to blend with coconut milk, and now I can't drink that either since stopping the PPI. I can only now drink little sips of water otherwise it comes back. Teas all come back after a mouthful. Coffee is out of the question entirely.
There must be a way to cure this and heal it holistically. I refuse to believe I have to live with this Dexilant which I read increases the possibility of stomach cancer if taking it over a long period. I also have osteoporosis before taking Dexilant and it must be even worse now. I feel that I am in very critical condition.
Another thing that happens is that the moment I even go to take my medication for hypothyroid and reach for the glass of water that my upper abdomen immediately swells and hurts and I haven't even had a sip yet. I sleep practically sitting up and now I also have developed this cough that causes me to throw up. I bring up a very clear gel like substance, not a mucous that is thick and then up comes my water or anything I have taken.
I would appreciate hearing back about this. Thanks."
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: It's obvious that the acid factor of ACV irritates your Esophagus, so do drop that. I had the same problem w/ the thyroid meds. One of the noticeable symptoms of hypothyroid is reduced ability to swallow, which implies that the esophagus is directly effected by insufficient thyroid hormones.So, the only way to bring about a fix is to treat the esophagus and the thyroid simultaneously. Starting w/ the thyroid, take the magnet on your refrigerator and apply it to your thyroid glands for 10 min 2x day. Switch from levothyroxine to Armor Thyroid meds w/ any luck from your MD. supplement Lugols Iodine (much info here on E.C.). Take 500mg L-Tyrosine 1x day for two weeks and then up to 500mg 2x day. At this point you may need to split the thyroid med in half but you will need thyroid checked for sure. Vit-E is very good for protecting all the glands and thus improving their function. The best form of E is mixed Tocopherols & Tocotrienols. Coconut Oil is also very good for the T.
Now for the esophagus. Burst 5,000 iu Vit-A in mouth and let it slowly drain down the throat or take small spoon of Cod Liver Oil by mouth using the slow method. 15 minutes later suck an Elderberry/Zinc Lozenge. These two should both strengthen and soothe. DGL form of Licorice will also help soothe."
02/22/2014: Jos from Thailand: "Hi to Morganaspirit in Vancouver,Sorry to hear of your gastric problems, have you tried mixing food thickeners to your food and drinks? There is a product called Nestagel which works quite well and helps to keep food down and without irritation, I believe it's mainly used for children and elderly people but maybe worth experimenting with, also try to research other food thickners which maybe of benefit to you as they coat the lining of your osophegus, and help to stop the burning sensation. Weight loss may be a problem for you and when desperate try Bengers food, another "old fashioned" food for invalids and children with hiatal hernia problems. Keeping yourself raised up when sleeping is essential for your oesophageal probs and I really wish you well. I had a young baby with reflux and I learnt about thickening food to keep it down in her stomach, I appreciate you are not an invalid but thought some of these ideas may help you."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Morganaspirit: I am not sure I can assist you but I can try. I am not sure why but I like to study the food plants, animals, and well people eat. After reading your sad story of so much suffering I am surprised you are alive. The reason I say this is because the cells require proper nourishment. When they don't get enough they eat the tissues. I believe this to be the root cause. I was very sick. The way I got well was to experiment. This is hard for a sick person to do so maybe getting a loved one to assist would be a good idea. Vegetables want to be fertilizer for the seeds so they make some of their nutrients hard to digest to discourage herbivores from eating them. Fruits want to be eaten for herbivores to propagate the seeds. Their nutrients are easily digested. The most easily digestible fruit is banana. Whole Foods has whole trade bananas. These are organically grown but lack the costly certification. They are also the least costly. You can try raw wildflower honey. Avocados are also easy to digest. Because you were able to eat cheese, eggs, and butter, you can try raw vital pastured eggs, raw grass fed hamburger, colostrum, and raw cheese. You can try black chia seeds. They are less costly online. Brown Cow plain yogurt might be beneficial. In my opinion you are going to have to find some raw organic and grass fed whole foods that you can eat so you can recover."
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morganspirit, sounds like you have to have well-cooked, easily digestible foods for right now. Look into Traditional Chinese Medicine for your situation."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you Timh from Ky, and Somewhere, Europe, jos from Thailand, and Mike 62 from Denver. I appreciate all of your input. I do love avocadoes Mike, bananas I am very allergic to unfortunately cause I love them.Jos, food thickeners sound like a very good idea because they coat the lining of the esophagus. I have never heard of them so will research as soon as I get off this site.
Timh, I do take desiccated thyroid. Learned that one a few years ago! But you are right that the thyroid seems to be mixed up with everything. I never thought of using a magnet on my thyroid but what a great idea. I need a lot of thyroid every day so it would be amazing to split it in half. I will certainly try the Vit-A. Does it taste fishy though? Thinking of Cod liver oil you mentioned. Aside from the esophagus problems I have a very difficult time with smells, especially fishy smell. I can't even walk into a fish store without throwing up. I take coconut oil and use it for cooking. Perhaps that would work as well as Vit-A?
I am going to try these ideas you all gave me today, and Somewhere, Europe you suggested TCM. I went to a naturopath who taught at the TCM college here and he was useless. His big plan was for me buy his protein powder and take that daily as well as pay him $150/hr for his consult. He gave me a sample and it upchucked within five minutes so I am a bit distrustful of TCM if that is the recommendation. I like the ones I got here today and will use them all. Thank you."
02/23/2014: Gtcharlie from Los Angeles, Ca: "Hi Morganaspirit,I want to chip in a few points here that is away from the main drag; not with the intention to negate what others say, but to add a different approach that is more in line with the Eastern philosophy.
1. Avoid all cold drinks or foods, including raw foods taken cold, even water from the refrigerator! Because you don't want to excite your stomach needlessly. And you don't want to lower your body's core temperature suddenly either. So, please stick to foods/drinks that are a bit above lukewarm, but way lower than to burn your mouth.
2. Use ginger as often as you can, but not as much as you can. Large amount of ginger can upset your stomach, in moderation, it can curb regurgitation effectively. Ginger can also warm your stomach up which will reduce the excessive stomach acid. GERD can be from insufficient stomach acid in some cases especially with the elderlies. But judging from what you say about the ACV, it is not your case.
The best way is to take a ginger tea with honey daily - thinly cut fresh ginger 15-20 slices with skin on, add in 8 oz of water and bring it to boil. Remove from the stove and stir in one t-spoon honey. Press the ginger slices a bit while mixing the honey in with the spoon. Save half of this concoction in a thermal for later use. Sip this tea slowly as hot as you can take. Inhale the steam through your nostrils while waiting for the tea to cool down a bit. By doing so, you can warm up your upper chest. Reheat the rest from the thermal a few hours later to finish it. Less in amount and more in frequency is the key to avoid burdening your stomach. If you can take in the whole 8 oz once, then brew a second cup later.
Always add some fresh ginger in your cooking. Ginger candy is a good choice for snacking.
If you like cinnamon, you can use it to replace ginger at times or supplementing the ginger tea with it. But be sure to buy the cinnamon from Indonesia or Srilanka since it is for medicinal purpose. You will find them at Amazon.
3. Take liquid foods for easy digestion; thick soap like beef and barley is a good choice. Avoid foods that cause bloating and gas. Chew slowly and longer when eating solid foods to let the saliva to breakdown carbohydrates. Proper nutrition plays a big part in one's health!
4. Rub your stomach often: use both hands to rub your stomach (right under the sternum) with a little pressure. Move in a circular motion and reverse the direction alternatively. Give it a few pumps if you can in between. Do it before meals and relax your stomach muscle by practicing deep breathing at times. You need to strengthen your diaphram.
If these help and when situation is stabilized, you can start making fresh potato juice in the morning and drink it with an empty stomach - at least half an hour prior to breakfast. Add an apple if you like. But be sure to leave both the potato and apple out of the refrigerator to prevent taking in cold liquid in the morning!
Potato juicing is good to curb cancer cells, and for any ulcer too! A very popular remedy in Asia popularized by a welknown Japanese monk.
All the best to you!"
02/24/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: Yes, the Cod Liver Oil or Vit-A smells like fish, so you will need to fallow it directly w/ Elder/Zinc Lozenge. The Iodine/L-Tyrosine will likely be necessary in improving your T hormone status for the short-term until you do the Magnet, Vit-A, and Zinc begin protecting and healing the Thyroid. All this has worked for me as my last test showed normal without having previously taken levothyroxine for many weeks.Do report your results for others."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morganaspirit,Really, my heart goes out to you...you have suffered so much.
I love what the EC writers have posted and have two observations:
First, to add to the previous suggestions on what you might be able to eat, have you tried papaya? The raw fruit, not the capsules but the fruit itself?
Papaya is an amazing fruit packed with enzymatic power... soothing to the lining of irritated throat and stomach...it is wonderfully anti nausea. What ever is causing the problem, you certainly are deficient in enzymes and a good starting point is papaya. Start with the real fruit as I said and after eliminating the tiny black seeds (a good source of anti parasites) just take a tiny bit on spoon and eat. If no negative reaction, try a quarter teaspoon and so forth until you can eat a quarter cup at a time. If you can tolerate that much, the Papaya will start its wonder working impact on your system.
Second, I'd love to more find out the CAUSE of what you are experiencing. I understand the Barretts Syndrome diagnosis, but I mean before that. Here is my point; We are dealing with (largely) what you can eat now. That is vital because clearly there is a sense of urgency here...and that is why I threw in my suggestion of papaya. But all these suggestions, by and large, speak to the symptoms and do not address the cause.
I guessed one possible cause as an enzyme deficiency issue but that might more fit the symptom category.
Would you please give us some more information on the history of what led to this problem. I'm always wondering at causation and try to get to the bottom line cause for the symptoms. Often I find an infection that preceded symptoms, for instance.
So...could you give a brief history... like this; when did you first begin experiencing difficulties...from youth? From birth? Do you suspect genetic? As I said, I've often found a viral/ fungal ... pathogenic trigger, and hence "basis" for the symptoms.
Here's a typical story line...maybe it fits and maybe not: Victim X suffers from nausea for past five years. X first experienced illness four months after visiting Caribbean islands. Doctors cannot find cause. Possible answer; Parasites.
Or: Victim Y suffers from endocrine system issues with manifold symptoms. Six months prior to symptoms, suffered from severe case of strep. Possible cause; virus.
So, anything you can tell us as to cause...more of the history can help with underlying cause solution."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you GT Charlie. I discovered this thing about not having cold water this week and on the weekend when it finally hit me that my overnight lukewarm water had not bothered me at all to drink it. Usually I have it ice cold from the frig and so you are right on there. I will slice up my ginger and try that again. I use to make fresh ginger tea. I used to also keep fresh slices in my water jug to sip on as well and I see it is time to do this again. Cinammon too I love so will make sure it comes from Indonesia or Sri Lanka. Thanks so much for your input.Unfortunately I used the PPI Dexilant to get through the past two years and it is only when I realized it was also not working as well, that is when I knew I had to tackle this problem now. My problem is that I work 12 hr days and alot of that time is sitting at my desk and that is a problem too with that pressure. I spose I can heat up the ginger tea in the microwave at work although I hate to use it. Thanks again."
02/24/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Hee, hee, Morganspirit, I learn the Chinese stuff that I want, off the Internet and from books. I take the info that seems right to me and experiment with that. Why pay? Having said that, I did go to a practitioner to get the Chinese "diagnosis name" of my condition (according to them. I always take it all with a grain or two of Celtic Salt :))."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Canada: "Timh from Ky, I cannot tolerate even the smell of fish oil. I would be heaving before getting the capsule close to my throat but I was thinking that perhaps coconut oil might be a good substitute. Thanks. By the way I have a very sensitive stomach. Even happening upon a dead fly makes me vomit.To Dave:
Dave thanks for your reply. I do love papaya, but so many fruits made me throw up in the past three and half years that I gave up on them. I will try your suggestion with just a tiny amount at a time. I do know it has powerful enzymes and if it stays down, it would be wonderful to eat it as much as I can keep down.
As to the beginning of this problem, acid reflux began about five years ago at age 59, but it wasn't until the end of 2010 that it began to be uncomfortable.Up to the acid reflux beginning the only time I had stomach problems was my horrid reaction to smelly things or revolting looking things and then anything I had in my gut came up. I was one of those women during pregnancy who vomited the whole nine months.
Actually interesting you bring up possible parasites as a source cause I used to wonder about that. The day it began I had bought myself a frozen lasagne to have for a quick meal after work. I had just begun my present job the month before, twelve hour days and was too exhausted to stand at the counter and cook after a long day beginning at 4am.
This is the first time in my life I bought one of those dinners, since my preference is more holistic and fresh food, but I did and that night I did have a violent reaction like a stomach flu which continued for several days and then I caught a bad cold which turned into a bad chest infection. The chest infections have been recurring over the years since childhood when hay fever first hit. It always changed to chest infections which lasted for weeks and weeks and that could be asthma I found out recently.
Since I never got stomach flu's ever, it has only now occurred to me that it might not have been the lasagne at all and that it could have been a bad flu beginning with stomach and turning into the chest infection.
Back to the problem. I was coughing very much, pulling tummy muscles when the problem began late 2010, and this continued for weeks. After that finally ended the real problem began in my stomach and upper abdomen. Those weeks of horrid gut wrenching coughing must have caused the hiatal hernia. It just got worse and worse and my doctor sent me on the rounds to have ultrasounds on every organ and nothing showed up and finally after a year of this and being in exactly the state where I am now, I insisted on seeing a gastroenterologist and then had that diagnosis after a gastroscopy and biopsy, and told I had to take Dexilant for life.
It was such a relief to have a solution that I happily took those pills and then when I found out just how dire it is to the system it began to make me very uneasy and to want to find another way. I really didn't think there was another way until finding this forum...so then I have hope.
Another thing that happens when I have anything at all, even lukewarm water my tummy area around my belly button as a centre swells and hurts immediately and as I said it can begin before I even have the liquid or food.
I remembered giving my dog Slippery Elm when he had digestive issues and am thinking that perhaps that might be a good thing to drink prior to eating anything or drinking anything even water. Funny how I never thought of that before.
By the way, my job hours are very stressful for me and I have been doing it almost four years and that may have alot to do with it too. Next year I will be 65 and can retire so maybe that will make a difference if I can get through this without it all turning to esophageal cancer.
Thanks for your input and for any further suggestions."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello again Morgana (spirit) from Canada,So excited to get your follow up post!
The "history" of your disease ... and yours is indeed a disease is now much better understood by your last post.
You gave a great lay out of the key events and here's what I think given the evidence concerning the issue of causation and what is underlying the symptoms.
As you said, the day it all started (building on some reflux already present but not the main issue)... was the uncooked lasagna. I gather it was either under cooked or just let get to room temp from frozen condition. Couldn't tell which, but got for sure that it was not cooked.
Whatever... the problem was in the Lasagna. What was in it? Do you recall? And I doubt if you'd remember but do you recall if it was an imported variety. THAT would really give us a good slap on the huntin' dog's back if we knew it was a Mediterranean import. (Lots of Montezuma's revenge...yes, the Mediterranean... not just Mexico.) Amoeba, e coli, etc etc. are possible. Look up Amoebic dysentery on Wikipedia. The one of some interest is the "trophozoite" which is an amoeba that is non cyst forming. That amoeba produces symptoms without hurting liver. You need the BEST parasitologist to exclude the possibility that you do NOT have such infection.
Montezuma's revenge can be either viral or bacterial.
And let's just talk "mundane" infections caused by a good ol' American virus, fungus or bacteria.
You got the infection .... whatever it is from the lasagna. "The day it started..." that was the uncooked lasagna day.
What to do? Well, if me, I've already said I'd get a parasitologist to eliminate the possibility of parasites... and next...if not parasites, go to the old standbys to kill infections....Colloidal Silver (I now do a little dance at the mention of CS ... no doubt the Cherokee blood that runs through me).
I'd take a lot...I would be drinking at least six teaspoons of CS daily on empty stomach (which is what you usually have). I wrote a little article that the EC staff was nice enough to post under "Colloidal Silver" ...the Remedies section. I think mine's the second one.
So my contention is that CS will kill the underlying infection, if the experts say the problem is not a parasite. There are "natural" parasite killers covered in Earth Clinic, but after reading the autobiography "MD" which is about a parasitologist, I think I'd first get a determination of whether the cause just might be parasitic.
But do look at the Wiki article on Amoebic dysentery I mentioned and see if the symptoms discussed with the two types of amoeba relate to your problem. If not.... turn to virus killers....eg.....CS."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morgana,A paragraph I failed to put into the long post just below this one....yes a bad infection as you mentioned from childhood could be the cause... Still....either would indicate an infection as the cause. And that's what we're looking for ... the cause."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "hi Dave,The thing is I had a frozen lasagna probably McCains or something like that and of course I heated it in the oven for the requisite time.
Good idea on CS. Have some in my fridge. Thanks for your input. Morgana"
02/25/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "An update. Just wanted to tell you who contributed to my question that I am able to hold down avocado and papaya, so today for work I made myself a little salad with those, but I also added raw zucchini which I knew would be okay and I use the spiralizer to make it look like spaghetti. I also added raw apple and voila I have kept it all down and no heartburn.It is a beginning and beats having to survive on fettucine, which is not something I like but when it was the only thing to stay down for a meal, what the heck.
Morgana"
02/26/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morgana, thanks for coming back to report. We're delighted at the good news, it's a very good start!"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Many things can bring on a hiatal hernia...most common is while sitting- bending at the waist, as if to tie shoes. This will force the stomach into the diaphram. When the irritation begins things to avoid, temporally, (for 7 to 10 days) would be tomato sauce, spicy foods, COFFEE, too much ruffage as raw veggies, rice, and alcohol.What to eat would be stewed veggies, pasta-no tomato sauce. Cream sauce and the like is OK. Mainly soft foods. They do not have to be bland just not spicy. This will also cut down on acid reflux. And indigestion.
If this becomes chronic, a visit to a chiropractor that practices kenisiology Is in order. I do not know if ACV helps with this as I have not had to try it as yet."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:35:22 -0600
04/27/2010: Des from Chatsworth, Ca: "The controversy over alkaline vs acid is confusing isn't it?
Our bodies need alkaline to be healthy, but acid is needed for certain functions. This confusion increases by the little known fact that "slightly alkaline" and "slightly acid" is what bodies run best on.
It's easy to become confused over a pH reading for an internal body part, when another slice from that same internal part will show a different pH reading. Two pH readings for one functional mechanism? Why?
The whole picture of the need for one part with two different pH environments built into it, can be overlooked by well-intended researchers. Even scientist disagree with each other.
Conflicting research interpretations surrounding different pH requirements are the result of "tunnel vision", which can reinforce the position of the alleged experts on both sides of issues.
As well, this scientifically proven separation of pH measurements may be ignored when researching data by those who's loyalty to the special interest group is required for project funding.
Bottom line is, nutritional deficiencies sets us up for disease. But statistically, all disease exist in a high acidic environment. If anyone finds a disease that does not need this acidic atmosphere, let me know.
By the way, I have not suffered from a cold for over two decades because I take alkaline substances that immediately regulates my pH which corrects the imbalance. It never fails.
Ultimately, our immune system is the only thing which can heal our bodies. Both doctors and alternative supporters have the human trait of using embellishments to support their position of wanting you to believe what they believe. It's normal.
If anyone compares the often fragmented medical research with the hearsay that accompany sites with health issues, look for references. Then continue to see if that references is followed by an unreferenced personal opinion. It happens all the time.
That kind of sentence is a common lure for the reader to assume that the opinion is also from the same reference. Two reasons for this deception that I know of, are deliberate frauds or an unintentional misconceptions passed on by a personal rumor copied from another site. Both can be seen all over the web.
If you don't believe the obvious historical version that everything needed for a healthy body grows from the ground, that's your personal choice.
Here's more history: the discovery of vitamins and minerals by scientist happened when research confirmed that every disease is attached to a deficiency of one or more of these elements.
Decide for yourselves if that means anything or is it just a coincidence. If anyone responds to this, please do so with referenced facts only.
No one is a 100% correct about anything, though we all have tried at sometime to offer our opinions with out-of-context data and embellishments which support our beliefs.
Health backed by science is the only way to expose many of the misinformation sites presented by individuals who may only want to sell you their products or to discredit the opposition. Nothing wrong with marketing your passion for something, just look for those references. The honest ones always list their references. It's good for business.
Be well."
11/16/2010: Tena from Champaign, Il: "You said you take alkaline substances to regulate your PH. What do you take?"
02/22/2014: Nm from Iowa: "Be careful not to upset your electrolyte balance w/too much baking soda... your body needs a balanced amount of salt, potassium, etc... if you overdue it it can be bad... somehow I ended up dehydrated and it was worse than the morgellons... lots of bad things come from that... still trying to normalize."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:34:29 -0600
02/10/2014: Centralperkeast from Atlanta, Ga: "My son is 19 and has been suffering off and on for several years. Last night was his worst attack. I've just given him 3TBS mother of vinegar in organic apple juice. Is there a maintenance version of this to prevent more? For example, can he take this daily?"
[YEA] 02/22/2014: Hatman from Asheville, Nc: "Apple cider vinegar in apple juice works just like everybody says!"
03/03/2014: Ann14 from Texas: "Hi, I am wondering- how long do we drink the apple juice with ACV for a gallbladder attack. After that first glass, what about the next day? Thank you"
03/04/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Ann: Without the presence of gallbladder disease, many people have adopted a one dose ACV/Apple Cider for an array of general health conditions. The list of positive benefits of daily ACV is a long one, so drink up."
03/04/2014: Ann14 from Texas: "So drinking this drink will not irritate your stomach? Where can I read about the healthful benefits of this drink. Thank you again"
03/04/2014: Ann14 from Texas: "I forgot to ask this: If a person has acid reflux, I take over the counter Prevacid everyday 2 tablets once in the morning. What I don't understand is that I would think ACV would be irritating to the stomach, (which I haven't felt yet) I have been taking the ACV with apple juice for a couple of days now. Does anyone know if this will irritate the stomach more or is it less? I do know that fermented sauerkraut has been suggested for acid reflux. I thought "OMG" that would be so irritating, but I guess not. Does anyone here have acid reflux?"
03/04/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Ann,I have had acid reflux in pregnancy (and once it a while at other times.) I would live on TUMS. (Not good.) I ended up on prescription medication for reflux. In my last pregnancy I used Apple Cider Vinegar the whole time. Never took any tums or any prescription for it. It also helped my gall bladder issues to settle down. Yes, I agree, it seems like vinegar would be irritating to the stomach, but I found that opposite to be true. Perhaps for some, it would bother them, but many find it helpful. I have used it now for year and love it.
~Mama to Many~"
Re: Apple Cider Vinegar for Barrett's Esophagus and Hiatal Hernia
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:33:45 -0600
I have studied holistic health for most of my life and this medicine and its effects have worried me over the last almost two years. I am in a situation now where I cannot afford to buy it any longer either.
My concern is that I don't know what to take to cure the problem because of my symptoms so if anyone here has similar please let me know. People here have great success with ACV and Baking Soda. I did use baking soda before the problem got so intense I had to have the gastroscopy.
By the way at this time two years ago I did a 12 day fast on just organic aloe vera juice from whole foods I was that desperate. After that I decided to have a some organic veggie juice thinking I could now drink it and OMG it didn't last a moment in my system. Definitely it did me no good at all.
I throw up even water, but some foods surprisingly I discovered by accident I can keep down. I.e. pasta with cheese sauce, which I hadn't eaten for thirty years not liking it prior, but it was served for dinner where I was visiting. This blew my mind when I realized I wouldn't be throwing it up. Hard boiled eggs with a bit of butter I can keep down too. Veggies I can't keep down either. The problem I have is that I can't get past a mouthful of ACV without it coming right back up. I also have a greens organic, and a non-GMO, non-dairy, non-Soy protein powder full of good healthy ingredients, which I used to blend with coconut milk, and now I can't drink that either since stopping the PPI. I can only now drink little sips of water otherwise it comes back. Teas all come back after a mouthful. Coffee is out of the question entirely.
There must be a way to cure this and heal it holistically. I refuse to believe I have to live with this Dexilant which I read increases the possibility of stomach cancer if taking it over a long period. I also have osteoporosis before taking Dexilant and it must be even worse now. I feel that I am in very critical condition.
Another thing that happens is that the moment I even go to take my medication for hypothyroid and reach for the glass of water that my upper abdomen immediately swells and hurts and I haven't even had a sip yet. I sleep practically sitting up and now I also have developed this cough that causes me to throw up. I bring up a very clear gel like substance, not a mucous that is thick and then up comes my water or anything I have taken.
I would appreciate hearing back about this. Thanks."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:31:27 -0600
02/10/2011: George from Denver, Co: "Might want to check the magnesium in those supplements, it's possible the ratio is off. Also quite possible you are deficient in magnesium and that is the reason for heart rythem problems to begin with. If the multi's are 2x calcium to magnesium they have it backwards. Tradition says 2x calcium to mag but that's wrong. Try to never have cal levels exceed mag and all will be well. Hospitals have said that most of the patients coming in the door are deficient in magnesium. Gee, could that be why there are so many heart patients? If the cal/mag ratio is off you can just buy mag by itself to make up the difference. Also it would be good to get the mag and start by taking that by itself to see if your heart balances out. You would have your answer right there. Begin with 250mg of magnesium per day and work up to 500. Good luck."
02/10/2011: Tom from Regina, Sk: "Cynthia:
I recall from about 4-5 months ago a very similar post to yours.
Once again, a few things to ask:
is the multivitamin one of those "one-a-day" kinds with a shiny red coloring coating?
www.associatedcontent.com/article/131963/is_the_red_40_food_dye_additive_having.html
Reactions include temper tantrums, hyperactivity, aggressive behavior, uncontrollable crying and screaming, kicking, nervousness, dizziness, inability to concentrate and sit still among other findings. Physically you may get frequent headaches or migraines, upset stomach and feel ill after ingesting this additive.
Red 40 is used in many food products including kool-aid, orange and other flavored sodas, cheetos and dorito chips, strawberry pop-tarts, any candy with red coloring to it including m&m's, skittles, many chewing gums, etc. Also many children's vitamins and pain relievers/cold medicine have red 40 in the ingredients.
The bottle label or box carton should say which FD&C (food, drug, & cosmetic) FDA approved color is in there! Anyone any age can have bad effects.
The second question is "are there any minerals listed in that pill?" You could be so low on trace minerals that your body is trying to adjust when taking some. It could be that simple!
You are correct in that you could have a slow or toxic liver, and the food coloring is the final straw. It's taking days to clear something that might be done in hours normally.
You could try taking a high quality fulvic/humic mineral supplement, and see if your heart rate improves, going lower and stable.
They cost a lot more than a one-a-day, but in this case the quality (bioabsorbability) and quantity (most brands have 60 trace minerals and complexes--compare that to the maybe dozen plain jane names on a cheap multimineral tablet)
www.bing.com/images/search?q=fulvic mineral&go=&form=QBLH&scope=images&filt=all"
02/11/2011: Cynthia from Brooklyn, New York: "George from Denver, you're absolutely right about magnesium deficiency. I have MVP with pectum excavatum (depressed ribcage) which is a tell tale sign of Mg deficiency. I've been taking high doses of magnesium for many years. It works wonders for my breathing, sleep, and general anxiety -- but it made no improvement in these multivitamin-induced palpitations. These are strange palpitations. I felt like I was being poisoned. Thanks for the insight.
Tom from Regina, those symptoms look terrifying but I don't have those to that degree. I checked the mutivitamins' labels and they all are FD&C approved and have no Red 40 dye. I don't think my palpitations were caused by dyes. I'm unsure about trace minerals as you've mentioned. I have taken multivitamins before without any problems. Today it just hit me... the one that caused no palpitations were rapid release. The multivitamins which caused my palpitations were time release so does it mean it hangs out longer? For a sluggish liver that can't clear out more than what's put in, maybe "time release" is not a good idea. I noticed my palpitations were worst in the evening, but better in the morning. I think it's because sleeping puts my body on a fast. I forgot to mention that I've been taking birth control pills for over 10 years. I think my liver's finally caught up. Thanks very much for this great info and the article. I hope this thread can help someone in some way."
02/11/2011: Granny Laura from Waco, Tx Usa: "Before I got tested for allergies even half of a 100 mg vitamin C tablet would make me shakey and so wired I couldn't sleep for 3 days. It turns out that most vit C is made from corn!
The lady at the health food store recommended that I try vitamin C palmitate. That was the answer to my problem.
I have to take vitamin A palmitate because I am allergic to carrots and fish oils. Many B vitamins are made by yeasts. Most grocery store vitamins will also contain wheat, soy, etc I have multiple chemical sensitivities so it is important that I read every label on every supplement I take.
I take Allergy C and Allergy Multi by Twinlab and have never had a problem taking vitamins again. I order them online for half what I would pay in a health food store. Cheap vitamins may do more to you than they do for you!"
[SIDE EFFECTS] 07/25/2011: Art from La Crescenta, California: "I'm 62 and just started taking Trader Joe's Pantheon pack multivitamins a week ago because I thought it might help with splitting nails, but since then I've experienced extended palpitations daily, anxiety and diarrhea. They have very high levels of B-vites and extended release - this is the only thing different I can point to in that time period so I stopped taking them and all the above let up. I was curious to see if there was anyone else with this experience, so Googled it. Maybe I'll just start taking something nail-specific. Thanks guys for posting your info."
07/26/2011: Betty from Holdrege, Ne: "My doctor suggested to take Biotin...Pick up a bottle of it and take every day and you will have beautiful nails. I have used different strengths... and about in the middle will work or towards to high end.
Also nail polish remover can make split nails... either use no polish or wash well with soap and water immediately after using nail polish remover.
Good luck!! Betty"
07/26/2011: Gavin from Manganui, Northland, New Zealand: "Yep the palpitations, are caused by the BVits.. The heart has a massive amount of nerve fibre in it, along with the rest of the body. You probably have twitches where you didn't have twitches before as well. It's like putting fertiliser on the garden it sort of goes off untill it finds its new balance. Old defunct nerve paths firing up again neurons going off where they havent gone off for a long while. The body only stores the B12 in the Liver.. This is distributed from there as and when required. The rest are taken as required and excreted on a daily basis. I think it might be an extra demand for potasium, so you can either ignore it, and after a couple of months it will go away... Or take a couple of bananas a day this seems to stop it, as they will give the potasium. If you stop the B vits. try MSM along with vitC that will fix a few things including the nails."
10/18/2013: Lee from New York New York: "It is important to consume your vitamins from food sources. It is russian roulette while taking vitamin supplements, because there could be additional/unwanted fillers, etc. In them. Soy (in vitamin supps) is believed to be a hormone disruptor, and can be one of the culprits towards heart palpitations. Of course, there are other culprits which can affect the heart; environmental, genetic, medicinal, psychological, dietary, etc....It is also important to check the water in your home. If you are using a water filter/purifier, I suggest having the water tested for minerals.
My body responds negatively (or so it seems) to apple cider vinegar, coconut, cruciferous vegetables (esp, but not solely, raw).... I believe in the blood type diet, but am finding it difficult to strictly adhere to the diet.
It is also important to have your blood checked for minerals, vitamins, arsenic, mercury, lead, etc.."
02/22/2014: Faith from San Diego: "My good friend was sick for over a year, heart palpitations, shortness of breath dizzy feeling like car sickness, and sound sensitivity. It was an allergic reaction to Vitamin D due to her body not being able to break it down. If your heart rates increases after exposure to a food, a drink, vitamins, pet, plants environment, or even fabrics, shampoos soaps and any chemicals you most likely having allergic reaction."
Re: DMSO to Dissolve Eye Scars
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:30:06 -0600
Does anyone know of a treatment using DMSO to soften or dissolve scars inside the eye?
Also, is there anything that will kill the shingles virus as I still get outbreaks on my face? I have tried olive leaf extract, but that has not worked. Thanks. Gregor"
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:20:47 -0600
02/22/2014: Dayleeyah from Ontario, Canada: "I saw the same video. Hope it works. I found something that gets rid of the smell -- mustard oil. You can get it at an Indian store. Works fast."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 22:17:33 -0600
I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
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07/27/2013: Mmsg from Europe: "Kelli, coconut oil for dryness."
02/22/2014: Bob from Vancouver Bc: "Castor oil?"
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The very noticable tics have disappeared, he is now able to sleep through the night, has no headache complaints now and is performing better academically. He seems like a different child... Happier. He has only been taking the magnesium for around 2 weeks now. Best wishes to you all!"
06/08/2011: Earth Clinic Fan from Grateful, Usa: "What kind of magnesium? Bless you for posting this wonderful information!"
06/09/2011: Adk Mama from Long Lake, Ny-usa: "Hello! I believe she purchased basic magnesium supplements at a pharmacy-250 mg... He takes one crushed up in applesauce in the evening. It has been remarkable thus far!"
08/04/2013: Vineet from India: "Does this really work. I have facial tics for the last three years. I need to get rid of them. Please help me out!!"
02/22/2014: Tewald from Detroit, Mi: "I've had Tourette's for 50+ years. Some people outgrow it - mine has gotten much worse in recent years. Unfortunately, I also have a medical condition that keeps me from sleeping well, so I need caffeine during the day. That's probably aggravating it. I do take magnesium for leg cramps at night; I will try increasing it."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:45:11 -0600
I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Requesting Help for Hypersensitivity Vasculitis
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:43:14 -0600
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:42:50 -0600
One possible remedy for TN is a fifty fifty mix of DMSO and Colloidal Silver (CS) soaked in a white cloth and applied as a poultice to face ... topically I mean...to hurting area.
If true, as some believe, that TN is caused by viral infection, the CS might kill the virus as the DMSO carries it to affected nerves.
Worth a shot. I have killed (I believe) Bell's Palsy with the same remedy and if I had TN would certainly try the DMSO/ CS combo. I'd leave the poultice on affected area for twenty minutes. Repeat next day. If improved repeat every other day.
My favorite web site on DMSO is found by googling "DMSO 60 minutes Dr. Jacobs you tube"."
02/22/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Pat from Joliet,One possible remedy for TN is a fifty fifty mix of DMSO and Colloidal Silver (CS) soaked in a white cloth and applied as a poultice to face ... topically I mean...to hurting area.
If true, as some believe, that TN is caused by viral infection, the CS might kill the virus as the DMSO carries it to affected nerves.
Worth a shot. I have killed (I believe) Bell's Palsy with the same remedy and if I had TN would certainly try the DMSO/ CS combo. I'd leave the poultice on affected area for twenty minutes. Repeat next day. If improved repeat every other day.
My favorite web site on DMSO is found by googling "DMSO 60 minutes Dr. Jacobs you tube"."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:38:14 -0600
02/19/2014: Stephen from New Jersey: "Did this really work? This site says yes, but there are so many that say its impossible. I just don't know."
02/20/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Stephan, why don't you try it? They are salad dressing ingredients so it can't hurt you!!"
02/20/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Stephan, why don't you try it? They are salad dressing ingredients so it can't hurt you!!"
02/21/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "I have used lemon juice four times to knock out kidney stones. 1/2 lemon per glass of water 6 times daily. After 4 days it passed."
02/22/2014: Stephen from New Jersey: "Ok. I started this method this morning at 8:00 am. Just had my second at 12:50 pm and will do the last one around 6:00 pm. While I have no pain, I did have a CT scan and it showed a small 1mm stone in the ureter. My symptom is the constant urge to pee and this stone is the cause. I will keep you posted."
02/23/2014: Stephen from New Jersey: "On day two---- drinking the lemon juice and olive oil is not bad at all. No stone yet--- but still have urgency to urinate. Waiting..."
02/24/2014: Sondra from Austin, Tx: "I too suffer as all of you. They say it is genetic and I do not absorb calcium the way that is normal. I currently have a few lingering in my kidneys and the largest is a 1cm. I can feel it but really do not want to go thru another surgery, this would be my 4th in 3 yrs. I have tried the coke and asparagus in the past and I am fairly certain I exploded a very large stone into 13 small ones which passed in about 5 days - they all passed at once! I am ready to head out on a dream vaca and have some worry that this stone may break free while I am abroad. Do y'all think I should take my chances and try to lemon and olive oil before I leave or chance it and wait? Most of all do you think it could possibly tackle such a large stone? I also have had 3 kidney infections from stones so don't want to deal with that abroad! Thx"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "If you go on vacation, I would take the Renavive product. It will address infection and stones. Plus it is convenient to take. It will pass the stones out as sludge. As far as whether you should go on vacation, use your intuition."
Molasses for Arrhythmia
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:37:36 -0600
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:35:37 -0600
05/24/2011: Montage from Los Angeles, Ca/usa: "I also suffer from the same thing and would be intrested in any input from the community that has found benefits."
07/24/2011: Judy from Selma, Tx: "I found your site by accident, Thank you for being there>! I have had Polycthemia Vera for 5 to 6 years and is controlled by phlebotomies and now 12mg coumindin, I had a DVT in Aug 09 and now a superficial blood clot in my right bicep from the cuff being squeez too tight and now I have phlebitis in my arm.I am working on getting my body in pH balance. My question is there any treatment for the PV?
Thanks and I am going to start the Lemon pH treatment.
je"
07/25/2011: John from Lapaz, Baja California Sur, Mexico: "Hi Judy from Texas, I have the same thing red blood cell count was high. Had to get blood drawn every two weeks for it to go to an acceptable level. I did some research, well lots of research, and found the nattokanase is a clot buster, so I figured what the heck why not. I started taking 500mg 2000F. U. About three months ago, my last, two blood counts where in the low normal range. This is the only thing I did differently, so I have to assume that is what did it. Of course you should first check with your health care practioner before you start on this. But it worked for me. Best - John"
02/25/2013: Kevin from St Louis, Mo: "I have been eating Kiwi's and they have helped me to reduce the frequency of phlebotomies. 1-2 a day."
07/25/2013: Cris from Mi: "I've been diagnosed with Polycythemia Vera (PV)��at 45, which was 15 years ago, during an abdominal exam, my spleen was large. Confirmed with bone marrow test. Dr. Put me on anagrylin, now increased to 600 mg. /day. Along with 4-6 phlebotomies per year keep my counts in reasonable range, platelets and hematocrit. I am also taking Coumadin due to A fib. This helps thin the blood. All combined seem to work. I know when it's time for phlebotomie when I itch and I am a little light headed. I am surprised by the small number of comments. I heard that increased number of people diagnosed with PV were found in an area recently polluted. Looking forward to hear about others' experiences. You take care!"
07/26/2013: Mike Giller from Denver, Colorado: "The gene malfuctioned because eating regular food the regular way does not provide enough bioactive nutrients the body requires. Free radicals and pollution damage the dna. Eating the best foods the right way turns the gene back on and repairs the damage. Cooking and improper processing of food reduces and damages the electromagnetism of the nutrients."
02/21/2014: Rk from Big Spring, Texas: "Have had secondary pv diagnosed for almost three years. I have been stuck with monthly phlebotomies virtually since then and would greatly appreciate any possible suggestions to avoid having to do them for the rest of my life. Even with insurance, the costs of phlebotomies that often can pose many financial challenges. I enjoy supplements, try hard to limit prescriptions to only what is absolutely medically necessary and had seen nattokinease suggested before on other forums, so believe I'll try that. I read a detailed discussion about natto when first diagnosed, with the arguments favoring it greatly overwhelming those against and those arguments seemed more on the right track. The kiwi suggestion also makes a lot of sense--have tried to do this, but never for more than a few weeks.Thanks everyone, for the input. Please post updates as often as possible."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Rk: Cysteine is a rare amino acid denatured through cooking and eating cooked conventionally grown food causes a gene to mutate. Take 20g/day non denatured whey, 10g/day colostrum, and several green smoothies from organic baby leaves/day. Search raw food videos."
Re: Cannabis for Trigeminal Neuralgia
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:33:21 -0600
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:30:31 -0600
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Bubblecious: Search desiccated thyroid/yahoo group and raw food videos."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:30:17 -0600
My concern is that I been cured from hyperthyroidism. My treatment was radiation and followed by Eltroxin 0.1 mg, now after several years on this medication to control the hypothyroidism in which I'm being treated now. From 35yrs to now 46 yrs. I still suffer from fatigue, mental and physical fatigue, I find myself absent minded, loss of concentration, low libido, lack of confidence and not to mention weight gain. I keep fighting these symptoms as much as I can with daily supplement, vitamins, and herbs...they help thank God. My question is I liked to stop taking Eltroxin because it's not natural substance but a chemical. I been looking for answers for a long time for a natural and healthier way. Along with these supplements I also take "zinc and copper balance" at one capsule per day. My doctor is uncertain about this method since they have little study on homopathic and holistic therapy. I refuse any medical medications for the symptoms mentioned. I am a total believer on natural approach for my health. Any suggestions....is Apple cider vinegar, Potassium idione, kelp or any other approach is greatly received. If I'm taking off the Eltroxin, to be replace with the alternative, this would so great. If the other approach is to stay on Eltroxin and to take other supplement like kelp or other is also welcome. thank-you"
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Monique: Search desiccated thyroid/yahoo group and raw food videos."
Cayenne Prevented Prostatitis Surgery
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:26:49 -0600
My partner was suffering from enlarged prostate. He was suffering quite a bit, hard to pee and frequently wanting to pee. He was put on a 3 month waiting list to have an operation. He was not sure he could last that long because of the pain of it.
He started taking 10.000 Hu cayenne tablets. Think he took about 6 a day. Within about two days the pain had eased off and he was able to pee properly again. He was amazed and so was I. He cancelled the appointment to be operated on and is now completely fine."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 15:25:20 -0600
I am fully cured of my sinuses no problems! :) Clear healthy sinuses , yes expensive but totally worth it!!
Other information: they are good quality as they did not hurt my stomach, as I have a sensitive one. Highly rated on Amazon, have also tried now foods, those hurt my stomach but are ok. Will be buying some to have for when I get a future flu/infection.
Oregano oil: anti fungal, viral, bacterial... etc
Earth Clinic rocks! Peace.
P.S. if it helps you can you please post a comment below. Thanks!"
02/22/2014: Amanda from Oakland, Ca: "I have used oregano oil to effectively fight lots of things. A doctor turned me into it but WARNED, like antibiotics, it shouldn't be taken more than 10 days in a row. It's hard on the stomach & you can get an immunity to it if over consumed."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 09:21:55 -0600
For the pain and bleeding, start with cayenne pepper. Try 1/2 teaspoon in 4 ounces of juice. (Spicy, but so helpful. Grape juice works well.) Repeat in a hour. It should help with bleeding and pain. You can repeat this several times a day. I had a lot of pain and bleeding with a miscarriage and this was very helpful for pelvic pain and bleeding.
Please read the intro and pages on bacterial vaginosis and see what remedies you might have available to you and try them.
Try 1 clove of fresh garlic, chopped, let sit for 15 minutes, then take on some toast with honey. This is anti-biotic in nature. If you can take this four times a day, it will help with infection, if that is the problem.
I am very concerned...ectopic pregnancy is life threatening. The above will not cure ectopic pregnancy. I had an ectopic pregnancy 15 years ago. Two health professionals ignored my symptoms and I ended up having the tube rupture. It was very dramatic. However, I do not know how to help you convince anyone of a need for more medical attention or a better diagnosis.
Please keep us posted. I will be praying for you.
~Mama to Many~"
02/22/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Alexa,For the pain and bleeding, start with cayenne pepper. Try 1/2 teaspoon in 4 ounces of juice. (Spicy, but so helpful. Grape juice works well.) Repeat in a hour. It should help with bleeding and pain. You can repeat this several times a day. I had a lot of pain and bleeding with a miscarriage and this was very helpful for pelvic pain and bleeding.
Please read the intro and pages on bacterial vaginosis and see what remedies you might have available to you and try them.
Try 1 clove of fresh garlic, chopped, let sit for 15 minutes, then take on some toast with honey. This is anti-biotic in nature. If you can take this four times a day, it will help with infection, if that is the problem.
I am very concerned...ectopic pregnancy is life threatening. The above will not cure ectopic pregnancy. I had an ectopic pregnancy 15 years ago. Two health professionals ignored my symptoms and I ended up having the tube rupture. It was very dramatic. However, I do not know how to help you convince anyone of a need for more medical attention or a better diagnosis.
Please keep us posted. I will be praying for you.
~Mama to Many~"
Re: Intense Pelvic Pain
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:50:55 -0600
Questions About Eltroxin, Remedies for Hyperthyroidism
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:48:58 -0600
My concern is that I been cured from hyperthyroidism. My treatment was radiation and followed by Eltroxin 0.1 mg, now after several years on this medication to control the hypothyroidism in which I'm being treated now. From 35yrs to now 46 yrs. I still suffer from fatigue, mental and physical fatigue, I find myself absent minded, loss of concentration, low libido, lack of confidence and not to mention weight gain. I keep fighting these symptoms as much as I can with daily supplement, vitamins, and herbs...they help thank God. My question is I liked to stop taking Eltroxin because it's not natural substance but a chemical. I been looking for answers for a long time for a natural and healthier way. Along with these supplements I also take "zinc and copper balance" at one capsule per day. My doctor is uncertain about this method since they have little study on homopathic and holistic therapy. I refuse any medical medications for the symptoms mentioned. I am a total believer on natural approach for my health. Any suggestions....is Apple cider vinegar, Potassium idione, kelp or any other approach is greatly received. If I'm taking off the Eltroxin, to be replace with the alternative, this would so great. If the other approach is to stay on Eltroxin and to take other supplement like kelp or other is also welcome. thank-you"
Subclinical Hashimoto's Hypothyroidism Causing Bulge on Neck
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:45:37 -0600
Joyce from Joelton, TN
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:42:17 -0600
Cloves Helped Toothache
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:41:20 -0600
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:39:57 -0600
I suffered with sensitive skin, and have fallen in love with using that 'new' type of saran wrap called Press 'n' Seal.
I use a sterile gauze pad to apply vinegar or oil or garlic or salve or whatever needs to be on the 'wound' or area of concern... then cut a size of Press'n'Seal large enough to hold it on- larger than a band-aid would be, usually an inch around or better if it's larger, then just stick it on to my skin. It doesn't look great! but it doesn't cause any skin irritation.
I wore one into my dermatologists, and she was excited, immediately saying she knew two young patients she was going to use it with right away who were suffering with an 'adhesive allergy" as she called it.
If you are dealing with a large skin area, like a rash or have several lesions or pimples or bites or such, stick your gauze bits to them, and cover the whole thing with the wrap. If you need it to look better, or are working with a child (who won't be able to resist peeling it off) or it's in an area where it will get rubbed by clothing, then you can cover the sticky-wrap with gauze, or that sticky-ace-bandage stuff, but it isn't touching the skin, so it's easier on the skin. And, it 'waterproofs' the poultice from leaking out of, say, just gauze."
First here are the circumstances: My 5 yr old girl has it. It started on her inner thighs about 4.5 months ago, but has now moved up to her groin/private region, and back of her knees. She has been treated by a dermatologist 3 times (over a 3.5 month period) with "Cantharone Plus"(Extract from a beetle, blistering agent). Each treatment has gotten progressively worse. The appointments are at least 4-6 weeks apart, the drug leaves her with LARGE painful blisters, and she has more bumps each time we go. I don't think I can do this to her again, it is awful. I did try Tea Tree oil twice a day (morn and eve) for a week and a half, with no results at all, except irritated skin.
She could barely walk yesterday (1 hr post treatment) they are so raw and red and must be very painful. She was a trouper though! I washed her and patched her up last night so she could sleep. Please note, she has quite sensitive skin. Bandages and medical tape usually leave red, scaly skin, and she has Exzema, but not often or in large patches. She doesn't do well with scented or coloured soap/ bodywash. So now to my questions:
1) I want to try the ACV treatment I've been reading about. BUT do I wait until the large blisters have subsided? I am guessing it will be INCREDIABLEY painful to put ACV on them in this state! ?
2) What is the ACV concentration amount? So how much ACV do I apply, and do I leave wet cotton balls/ pads in place bandaged or taped on? Or just dab on with a Q-Tip? How do you keep them stuck on wet skin? Do you cover each bump with a bandage or sterile dressing? Or is it better to leave them open? * concern with not covering them is reinfection of each leg, due to thighs rubbing*
3) Do you do this 1 or 2 times daily? (she is in school so only possible morn and eve)
4) I have been applying Kids Polysporin to the Large Blistered ones but not the small white bumps because it helps with the pain and she had 2 infected bumps last time around, so has anyone else tried this? Does it help or hinder the process?
5) Dermatlgst stated people with Exzema and skin conditions more susceptible to MC. Wear looser pants, no more tights, a thick barrier cream to stop chaffing of thighs. Baths better than showers, no bubbles, no oils. Aveeno oatmeal may be good. Pat dry, don't rub. All this info is well and good but some seems contradictory to what I keep reading. Particularly the bath over shower part. Perhaps bathing in ACV? Any suggestions please?
6) My child LOVES the swimming pool, and we go often. She also has swim lessons once a week. Do we bandage them all each time we go? Would a swim suit with legs be of any use? Any suggestions??
7) Lastly, if anyone has experience in dealing with this in a child, in such a sensitive body area please pass any info along, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks so much for your time,
One Frustrated Mum
P.S. I am Vigilant about not wearing pants more than once, keeping hands away from that area (tough when going to bathroom though) and only using towels once.
"
01/14/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Struggling Momma,I am so sorry about your daughter! I hate to see my little ones suffer, too! We have dealt with many skin issues over the years and I will share some things we have used. While we have not dealt with MC before, we have dealt with many skin issues, I can tell you what I would try.
First the Raw Apple Cider Vinegar...yes, it stings unless a good bit diluted. You could try 1/2 or 1 cup in her bath. After you draw the bath and add the vinegar, put the water on a cotton ball and test on a spot to make sure it is comfortable. You could do that nightly. If you want to spray it on, dilute it a lot and test one spot. Maybe start with 1 part vinegar and 5 parts water.
I have not seen Extra Virgin Coconut Oil mentioned for this (I may have missed it) but it is one of my favorite anti-virals. You can give her 1 teaspoon internally twice a day. You can also use this directly on the spots. You could add a little bit of tea tree and or clove essential oil to this (5 drops of essential oil to 1 Tablespoon coconut oil) to use topically. Test one spot. If it stings, skip the essential oils.
Turmeric, internally, is wonderful for skin conditions and infections. We give a child that age 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. (In serious situations, we have used more.) This should be taken with plenty of water.
Some have found Grapefruit Seed Extract, 2 drops in 6 ounces of juice, twice a day to help a lot.
You can get colloidal silver in a spray to apply topically if the vinegar doesn't work out. This should not sting (any more than water would.)
Yes, the tape irritates my skin and that of my children, too. I have not found a good solution to this. If they would cover, you could get little boys boxer/briefs made of all cotton to keep thighs from reinfecting one another. Just get a size that will be comfortably loose.
Keeping processed food and processed sugar to a minimum is important. An organic apple and banana to the daily diet would be helpful.
Well, these are the things I would start with. There are other herbs and things that could be tried if these things are not successful.
Please keep us posted on her progress.
~Mama to Many~"
01/15/2014: Frog513 from Nc, Us: "Dear Struggling Momma,I understand your frustration and concern. Both of my kiddos had this and with my son the ACV worked great - His MC was on his torso/side. My daughter had MC on her bottom and behind her knees. We tried the ACV but it was too harsh for her so I bought some iodine ( not the brown kind- but the clear kind from the health food store). We would put it on every night and morning. At night we covered them with small round band-aids and we saturated the little pad on the band-aid as well. In the morning we would just put some iodine on them and leave them uncovered. The MC would become "angry" looking for a few days and then they turned to scabs and went away. They did leave little pock mark type scars but they are barely noticeable. It has been well over a year and no sign of them returning. The iodine did not cause her any discomfort at all. I hope this works for you!
God Bless~
~Carleen"
02/21/2014: Jw from Sacramento: "I want to offer help for those who are struggling with band-aids or medical tapes that irritate skin, when needing to keep applying poultices or other healing modalities on sensitive skin.I suffered with sensitive skin, and have fallen in love with using that 'new' type of saran wrap called Press 'n' Seal.
I use a sterile gauze pad to apply vinegar or oil or garlic or salve or whatever needs to be on the 'wound' or area of concern... then cut a size of Press'n'Seal large enough to hold it on- larger than a band-aid would be, usually an inch around or better if it's larger, then just stick it on to my skin. It doesn't look great! but it doesn't cause any skin irritation.
I wore one into my dermatologists, and she was excited, immediately saying she knew two young patients she was going to use it with right away who were suffering with an 'adhesive allergy" as she called it.
If you are dealing with a large skin area, like a rash or have several lesions or pimples or bites or such, stick your gauze bits to them, and cover the whole thing with the wrap. If you need it to look better, or are working with a child (who won't be able to resist peeling it off) or it's in an area where it will get rubbed by clothing, then you can cover the sticky-wrap with gauze, or that sticky-ace-bandage stuff, but it isn't touching the skin, so it's easier on the skin. And, it 'waterproofs' the poultice from leaking out of, say, just gauze."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:38:36 -0600
Thanks everyone, for the input. Please post updates as often as possible."
05/24/2011: Montage from Los Angeles, Ca/usa: "I also suffer from the same thing and would be intrested in any input from the community that has found benefits."
07/24/2011: Judy from Selma, Tx: "I found your site by accident, Thank you for being there>! I have had Polycthemia Vera for 5 to 6 years and is controlled by phlebotomies and now 12mg coumindin, I had a DVT in Aug 09 and now a superficial blood clot in my right bicep from the cuff being squeez too tight and now I have phlebitis in my arm.I am working on getting my body in pH balance. My question is there any treatment for the PV?
Thanks and I am going to start the Lemon pH treatment.
je"
07/25/2011: John from Lapaz, Baja California Sur, Mexico: "Hi Judy from Texas, I have the same thing red blood cell count was high. Had to get blood drawn every two weeks for it to go to an acceptable level. I did some research, well lots of research, and found the nattokanase is a clot buster, so I figured what the heck why not. I started taking 500mg 2000F. U. About three months ago, my last, two blood counts where in the low normal range. This is the only thing I did differently, so I have to assume that is what did it. Of course you should first check with your health care practioner before you start on this. But it worked for me. Best - John"
02/25/2013: Kevin from St Louis, Mo: "I have been eating Kiwi's and they have helped me to reduce the frequency of phlebotomies. 1-2 a day."
07/25/2013: Cris from Mi: "I've been diagnosed with Polycythemia Vera (PV)��at 45, which was 15 years ago, during an abdominal exam, my spleen was large. Confirmed with bone marrow test. Dr. Put me on anagrylin, now increased to 600 mg. /day. Along with 4-6 phlebotomies per year keep my counts in reasonable range, platelets and hematocrit. I am also taking Coumadin due to A fib. This helps thin the blood. All combined seem to work. I know when it's time for phlebotomie when I itch and I am a little light headed. I am surprised by the small number of comments. I heard that increased number of people diagnosed with PV were found in an area recently polluted. Looking forward to hear about others' experiences. You take care!"
07/26/2013: Mike Giller from Denver, Colorado: "The gene malfuctioned because eating regular food the regular way does not provide enough bioactive nutrients the body requires. Free radicals and pollution damage the dna. Eating the best foods the right way turns the gene back on and repairs the damage. Cooking and improper processing of food reduces and damages the electromagnetism of the nutrients."
02/21/2014: Rk from Big Spring, Texas: "Have had secondary pv diagnosed for almost three years. I have been stuck with monthly phlebotomies virtually since then and would greatly appreciate any possible suggestions to avoid having to do them for the rest of my life. Even with insurance, the costs of phlebotomies that often can pose many financial challenges. I enjoy supplements, try hard to limit prescriptions to only what is absolutely medically necessary and had seen nattokinease suggested before on other forums, so believe I'll try that. I read a detailed discussion about natto when first diagnosed, with the arguments favoring it greatly overwhelming those against and those arguments seemed more on the right track. The kiwi suggestion also makes a lot of sense--have tried to do this, but never for more than a few weeks.Thanks everyone, for the input. Please post updates as often as possible."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Rk: Cysteine is a rare amino acid denatured through cooking and eating cooked conventionally grown food causes a gene to mutate. Take 20g/day non denatured whey, 10g/day colostrum, and several green smoothies from organic baby leaves/day. Search raw food videos."
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Re: Bad Breath and White Tongue
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:34:43 -0600
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:33:03 -0600
Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Sat, 22 Feb 14 06:32:22 -0600
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
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I take K2 during the mid day with main meal. There are different theories on how K2 works. One says it goes to the liver and only is used if needed but don't know for sure. Nattokinase has a 3 to 8 hour window in which it is active. I take it morning and bedtime. So I just take K2 during my evening meal so outside the 8 hour windows.
My plan is to take K2 for 2 or 3 months - sort of like doing a cleansing of calcium from the arteries - then take it every second or third day dor maintenance. I'll experiment.
I would take a strong antioxidant like astaxanthin with your cod liver oil and butter. Fish oil without antioxidant protection can damage your brain.
Here is general guideline for the nattokinase
In regard to what dosage one takes with nattokinase and serrapeptase, it really depends how sick and symptomatic one is. Also age is a factor. As one ages, one can build up a lot of gunk in the arteries. Another factor is the profile of ones disease.
If your under 40 and relatively healthy, ones arteries are generally going to be in decent shape so I don't think one needs it. If one is relatively healthy and over 45, I would say 2000 FU on empty stomach before bed is all you need for preventative measure.
If one has anything related to heart disease and you are symptomatic, it means there are more serious problems going on. So probably a good idea to take higher dose just to be sure. I would dose nattokinase at dosage of 6000 FU 2X per day.
Whether one needs serrapeptase is not clear but it can't hurt and may help. PLus it works a little different than nattokinase. I'd go 80,000 IU three times a day. Take it with nattokinase. In my particular situation, I found I needed it.
You do this for 1 to 3 months. If you think you may have clots that need dissolving, it usually takes 2 to 3 months to take a lot of the clot away. Any symptoms you have should be gone within one month. For maintenance, taking 2000 FU when going to bed and upon wake. It's really ones call to decide whether serrapeptase is right for you and also length of time.
If one has cancer, i'd look into enzyme therapy also.
If one has a chronic illness then besides the aforementioned factors, you have to look at the profile of your disease. If people with your disease are dropping dead from heart disease or show any signs of blood coagulation then I would do a 1-3 month cleansing of your arteries then go on maintenance. So I'd follow what I said about heart disease and adjust it for ones age and other factors. i'd look into enzymes in general and experiment with them.
Everyone's situation can be different so the above is just some framework to operate within. you adjust it accordingly for your risk factors.
There are some rare blood clotting disorders that nattokinase doesn't treat so be careful. nattokinase can replace things like tpa, coumadin etc. It doesn't replace something like heparin. heparin by the way seems like one of the few positive prescription drugs that actually addresses the underlying problems."
I am not up to snuff. Had a fall this week while stacking firewood and my chiropractor is having little effect. I am turning on my back FIR EMITTERS and painting my lower back with 70% DMSO gel. That is helping mor' better , which is Southern for better. Dang, just because you are hurting there is no reason you can't have fun with it.
Cleaning my arms of sun damage is on the back burner. Again a Southern term. Save your Confederate money because the South is going to rise again. Just messin with you. What I am learning after these falls is that I can't do what I did as a youth. That is hard sayins.
It means that I got to start acting like an old person and that brings tears to my eyes. I know I'm on the shady side of the mountain but that is not where I want to be. I jus got to slow down and do what my ole body allows.
You young whipper snappers need to appreciate where you are and take advantage of Earth Clinic to keep yourself young. When it goes, then it goes and you can't bring it back. Most of us will not have pain in the next life. We will be dancing on the streets of gold.
Sorry for this pitty party, but I ain't feel too good.
========OLE ROBERT HENRY=========="
02/13/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Robert Henry,I am so sorry you are feeling poorly! I will be praying for your recovery.
Hope you feel lots better soon. I trust you will keep us posted!
~Mama to Many~"
02/13/2014: Rsw from Uniontown, Oh: "Hi Robert Henry,So sorry to hear you are not feeling up to snuff right now, but you will figure this out and be back to your old ornery self soon.
I pinched a nerve in my neck about a month ago for the first time, and was pretty miserable myself. Nothing helped - ice packs, heat, DMSO, Frankincense, CS, etc. Finally, my husband made a plank type ramp out of wood, about 3 feet tall that I used to lay upside down on and stretch my neck and back out for about 5 minutes at a time, especially right before bed. I held on by a strap on my feet at the top. It helped more than anything! Still hurts but I can see the light! What caused this? I bent over and picked my cat up, something I have been doing my whole life. Not great to get older but we're not done yet! Hang in there and let us know what you figure out. I guarantee it will be an original and be something from which we can all learn something. Best wishes."
02/13/2014: Robert Henry from Ten Mile Tn.: "HI U Rsaw, , , , , , , , , , What your husband is doin for you is what my chiropractor calls de-compression and that opens up your vertebrae, so it appears that you chose a smart mate. He must like you. All married folks love one another, but most just don't like one another. Married folks stay together longer if the like one another.I thank you for your concern and yep, I'll have a story after this episode. You learn from experience and I did not get smart at 65 nor 75 and hoping I make it at 85. It appears that the FIR Sauna back heat along with the 75% DMSO gel is going to do the job. I also use magnets at night.
Thank you for your concern and my wife read your onery comment and said, "she has your number".
YOUR BUDDY =====OLE ROBERT HENRY========="
02/20/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Robert Henry: Being a laid back easy going fella like myself, I figure you might not be getting enough nourishing roots because they are hard to chop so you can try this remarkable recipe. Items need to be organic. Put variety of whole roots in water. Add fresh squeezed lemon juice and ACV. Soak for 1 day. Drain water and drink in small doses several times/day. Repeat procedure. Acids extract delicious goodies from remarkable roots into water. When colorful phyto chemicals are not being extracted anymore chop up, they'll be easy because acids soften tough cellulose, put into blender, grind up and eat. From all us mild mannered ordinary folk living here in rocky mountain high hope this makes you feel better."
02/20/2014: Rsw from Uniontown, Oh: "Hi Prioris and Robert Henry,How many IU or FU of Serrapeptase or Nattokinase would you recommend per day? Is a single dose OK? My understanding is that Serrapeptase is more for inflammation but also clears out debris, (is this also in blood vessels?)while Nattokinase is good to keep the blood vessels clean. Is this correct? Can they be taken together or are they better taken one at a time? I notice that K2 supplements generally also contains K1, and I am concerned about blood clotting. I usually take a fermented cod liver oil/butter blend for the K2, since it seems more of a food to me. Thank you. (Robert Henry - My back still hurts, too, but it's getting better! Been using bio available curcumin and fresh ground ginger in my tea, but still having trouble looking down and combing my hair. Dr. said it should take at least 8 weeks. My husband appreciated your comments. Your wife sounds like keeper, too! )"
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Serrapeptase does also include some fibrinolytic enzyme but can clear out debris. Yes, you can take nattokinase and serrapeptase at same time. The two enemies of these enzymes is acid and food particles.I take K2 during the mid day with main meal. There are different theories on how K2 works. One says it goes to the liver and only is used if needed but don't know for sure. Nattokinase has a 3 to 8 hour window in which it is active. I take it morning and bedtime. So I just take K2 during my evening meal so outside the 8 hour windows.
My plan is to take K2 for 2 or 3 months - sort of like doing a cleansing of calcium from the arteries - then take it every second or third day dor maintenance. I'll experiment.
I would take a strong antioxidant like astaxanthin with your cod liver oil and butter. Fish oil without antioxidant protection can damage your brain.
Here is general guideline for the nattokinase
In regard to what dosage one takes with nattokinase and serrapeptase, it really depends how sick and symptomatic one is. Also age is a factor. As one ages, one can build up a lot of gunk in the arteries. Another factor is the profile of ones disease.
If your under 40 and relatively healthy, ones arteries are generally going to be in decent shape so I don't think one needs it. If one is relatively healthy and over 45, I would say 2000 FU on empty stomach before bed is all you need for preventative measure.
If one has anything related to heart disease and you are symptomatic, it means there are more serious problems going on. So probably a good idea to take higher dose just to be sure. I would dose nattokinase at dosage of 6000 FU 2X per day.
Whether one needs serrapeptase is not clear but it can't hurt and may help. PLus it works a little different than nattokinase. I'd go 80,000 IU three times a day. Take it with nattokinase. In my particular situation, I found I needed it.
You do this for 1 to 3 months. If you think you may have clots that need dissolving, it usually takes 2 to 3 months to take a lot of the clot away. Any symptoms you have should be gone within one month. For maintenance, taking 2000 FU when going to bed and upon wake. It's really ones call to decide whether serrapeptase is right for you and also length of time.
If one has cancer, i'd look into enzyme therapy also.
If one has a chronic illness then besides the aforementioned factors, you have to look at the profile of your disease. If people with your disease are dropping dead from heart disease or show any signs of blood coagulation then I would do a 1-3 month cleansing of your arteries then go on maintenance. So I'd follow what I said about heart disease and adjust it for ones age and other factors. i'd look into enzymes in general and experiment with them.Everyone's situation can be different so the above is just some framework to operate within. you adjust it accordingly for your risk factors.
There are some rare blood clotting disorders that nattokinase doesn't treat so be careful. nattokinase can replace things like tpa, coumadin etc. It doesn't replace something like heparin. heparin by the way seems like one of the few positive prescription drugs that actually addresses the underlying problems."
Sat, 22 Feb 14 01:51:56 -0600
You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:59:38 -0600
Kristine"
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:58:47 -0600
Great suggestions :D
Just to add -
I had pericoronitis not that long ago from a ruptured and infected wisdom tooth. I had inflamed gums and scar tissue all in the back right bottom of my mouth and my cheek & it was very painful.
I used a mixture of aloe vera and cayenne pepper on my gum throughout the day and also used lavender oil on my cheek and inside on my gum. The inflammation went down immediately due to the lavender. The aloe vera soothed my gums and the cayenne brought down the swelling and flattened out my gums again - this took about 3 days but it did come back a week later & I did it all over again and it went away - I think the key is persistence!
I noticed too that if I keep up a daily regiment of: brushing gum down to tooth with soft brush + natural toothpaste, gargle with sea salt water (this really helps the pain), gargle with hydrogen peroxide (also really helps the pain), gargle with oil (oil pulling - I use pomegranate seed oil as it has a lot of gum health benefits); then my gums stay healthy and are less likely to become inflamed again.
Good oils for pain: Plai Oil, Organic Juniper Berry, Sage, Organic Peppermint, Organic Pink Grapefruit, Organic Rosemary
**You can create a blend of the above oils and apply daily to the side of the jaw cheek area. It is good to put your essential oil blend into a vegetable oil base (almond oil, apricot kernel oil, hemp oil, jojoba oil, etc.) if you have any skin sensitivity."
06/26/2012: Lisa from Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa: "Hi Oldriska, Two things come to mind immediately for scarring- MSM and vitamin E. My mom, when growing up would always have us use vitamin E on our skin for prevention and reduction of scars. She had learned that from Adele Davis who, at that time was at the leading edge of nutrition and natural living.The other, MSM, I discovered after using it originally for muscle pain on my dad's recommendation. This was 17 years ago, well ahead of anything really known about it, yet. What I would notice is that a long- standing scar on my foot from surgery disappeared! Now, I can't say it was overnight because it wasn't something I set out to do. It was just that one day, after taking msm on a regular basis for my muscle pain, I noticed the numbness and the scar were gone! My interest was piqued at this point and I began to do research on msm and its benefits and sure enough, it is good for eliminating scars! I was ingesting it since in those days, it was only available in pill/ powder form. When I told my dad this, he started adding it to lotion and applying it topically to his skin for age spots and it was working! Now, of course it is available in all sorts of forms.
Sorry to hear that your gums give you so much pain. Pain is never fun. Anyway, I hope this information helps, Lisa"
06/27/2012: Oldriska from Prague, Czech Republic: "Hi Lisa, Thank you so much, you're a wealth of knowledge when it comes to all sorts of cures. You'd be surprised, but little is known about MSM in my country, I had to google it as I wasn't familiar with it myself, and it's just fitness shops that sell it in its pure form and they only sell it by kilos! It seems like a good remedy for many a condition, so I feel it would be worth trying out. Regarding vitamin E, I found some creams that contain about 2% of it, but I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable using them internally on my gums (they'd probably taste awful:)). Maybe I'll look up some foods that contain a lot of vitamin E, make a mash and use that instead. I'm thinking maybe certain oils have a high content of the E vitamin so perhaps I could use some of them!Once again thanks, you're very helpful!
Oldriska"
06/28/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, USA: "Oldriska, I sometimes simply take a 400IU liquid soft-gel of Vit-E (mixed tocopherols), place it in my mouth and bust it between my teeth and let the oil cover my entire gums. The E also covers the entire throat and also deeper in the Thyroid and Thymus glands (what i'm usually seeking). I also bust Vit-A soft-gels in my mouth periodically to strengthen gums and glands.Try and find MSM in bulk powder for money savings as opposed to capsules; as it mixes well in fruit-juice. You could swish it around your mouth prior to swallowing for healing benefits.
As for scarring, Nattokinase and Serrapeptase systemic enzymes break down the fibrin tissues which allows for better healing of normal tissue.
Hope this helps."
06/28/2012: Lisa from Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa: "Hi Oldriska, Yes, MSM is an amazing supplement. I recommend it to all my dancers for its healing qualities and reduction of swelling and inflammation. It can be used for all sorts of ailments and is related to DMSO. It would be best to buy it in bulk form as it is quite expensive in capsules and I think it is more effective in powder form since the body doesn't have to break down the pill or capsule. It can help reduce pain so you may even affect your pain from your trigeminal neuralgia. I believe that MSM is a very safe supplement but always starting at a low dosage and then building is just safe practice.As for the vitamin E, I would just ingest the capsules as they can help a host of issues as well, in your body. Then it will affect your scars and other benefits will occur too since it's good for your skin, your brain and so much more, too numerous to go through. Anyway, then you won't have to taste it, if it seems too much to deal with.
Hope you are doing better! Keep us posted on your experiences. Best to you, Lisa"
[YEA] 02/21/2014: Hermiticwonderer from Los Angeles, Ca: "Hello!Great suggestions :D
Just to add -
I had pericoronitis not that long ago from a ruptured and infected wisdom tooth. I had inflamed gums and scar tissue all in the back right bottom of my mouth and my cheek & it was very painful.
I used a mixture of aloe vera and cayenne pepper on my gum throughout the day and also used lavender oil on my cheek and inside on my gum. The inflammation went down immediately due to the lavender. The aloe vera soothed my gums and the cayenne brought down the swelling and flattened out my gums again - this took about 3 days but it did come back a week later & I did it all over again and it went away - I think the key is persistence!
I noticed too that if I keep up a daily regiment of: brushing gum down to tooth with soft brush + natural toothpaste, gargle with sea salt water (this really helps the pain), gargle with hydrogen peroxide (also really helps the pain), gargle with oil (oil pulling - I use pomegranate seed oil as it has a lot of gum health benefits); then my gums stay healthy and are less likely to become inflamed again.
Good oils for pain: Plai Oil, Organic Juniper Berry, Sage, Organic Peppermint, Organic Pink Grapefruit, Organic Rosemary
**You can create a blend of the above oils and apply daily to the side of the jaw cheek area. It is good to put your essential oil blend into a vegetable oil base (almond oil, apricot kernel oil, hemp oil, jojoba oil, etc.) if you have any skin sensitivity."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:56:10 -0600
Organic Lemongrass, Organic Lemon, Organic Peppermint, Organic Cedarwood, Organic Galbanum, Organic Citronella, Organic Eucalyptus-Lemon
Create a mixture equal parts each.
You can put it into an organic carrier oil (vegetable oil base) such as sesame, almond oil, olive oil, etc. (use one with the least back note smell) and rub it directly into your skin. Roughly 12 drops of your essential oil blend to 1 carrier oil.
You can also put it into a spray bottle and make a body spray using 10 drops of your essential oil blend per 5 ounces of water or a room spray using 20 drops of your essential oil blend per 5 ounces of water.
You can always add more or less drops of your essential oil blend to make a different concentration.
Wore this blend on a camping trip where we were literally in a swarm of mosquitoes the whole time and didn't get ONE bite! My boyfriend is usually eaten alive with 1 mosquito in the room!
Good Luck! :D"
RepliesEC: Hi, Kathy. Your question has also been posted on fleas remedies page in the pets section...
06/17/2010: Sarita from New York, NY: "hello, whenever i travel to mexico to the pyramid sites, i always get stung by mosquitos, especially on my legs and develop spots. the pharmacies there sell a black ointment in a jar and the main ingredient is iodine. the same ointment is sold over the counter in new york at my pharmacy. i noticed that if i applied the ointment to the sting area asap, the area would not discolor and it would stop the itch and the infection would heal rapidly. i always carry a tiny jar of this ointment 24/7. it works for any type of sting or bite."
06/03/2012: Alexis Baker from North Charleston, South Carolins, US: "I know this thread is two years old but I was wondering if you could tell me the name of that black ointment. I live in SC and gnats and mosquitoes are always a big problem and they just seem to get bigger. I would really appreciate the name of that ointment."
[YEA] 02/21/2014: Hermiticwonderer from Los Angeles, Ca: "For Bug relief try a blend of the following essential oils:Organic Lemongrass, Organic Lemon, Organic Peppermint, Organic Cedarwood, Organic Galbanum, Organic Citronella, Organic Eucalyptus-Lemon
Create a mixture equal parts each.
You can put it into an organic carrier oil (vegetable oil base) such as sesame, almond oil, olive oil, etc. (use one with the least back note smell) and rub it directly into your skin. Roughly 12 drops of your essential oil blend to 1 carrier oil.
You can also put it into a spray bottle and make a body spray using 10 drops of your essential oil blend per 5 ounces of water or a room spray using 20 drops of your essential oil blend per 5 ounces of water.
You can always add more or less drops of your essential oil blend to make a different concentration.
Wore this blend on a camping trip where we were literally in a swarm of mosquitoes the whole time and didn't get ONE bite! My boyfriend is usually eaten alive with 1 mosquito in the room!
Good Luck! :D"
Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:55:07 -0600
Not sure how 2 pinch of pink salt can lead to loose motions. I would like to switch to organic sea salt. Since I started this remedy, I could feel lot of thirst. Looks like my body is dehydrated. Is their any way I can take salt and water solution everyday to cure my constipation?
Thanks."
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Eat something like toast or a bagel to slow the sea salt from going straight through...Or take magnesium citrate liquid...It works fast for constipation and doesn't have a harsh reaction in the intestine.."
02/21/2014: Ricks from Delhi: "Currently, I am suffering like diarrhea right now. Since last 10 years, I have never faced diarrhea. Currently want to get rid of DIARRHEA and move towards normal bowel movement."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:54:19 -0600
She will be trying peroxide next, but if that fails, it looks like a trip to the doctor."
02/21/2014: Mila from Rolla, Mo: "Drinking ACV can cause a cleansing reaction (including more acne, but only temporarily). You might try cutting back on the amount of vinegar she is drinking (maybe in half) for a couple of weeks and then start ramping it up again. Unless she is having an allergic reaction, I would at least try it for 2 or 3 months. I hope she gets past this soon :-) Lord bless you both!"
Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:53:23 -0600
Just wanted to add - I dealt with an intense anger, everything made me mad, everyone made me mad, I could not handle the circumstance of life.
I recommend looking up Stuart Wilde and purchasing a copy of his book Infinite Self. It really truly helped me and my boyfriend so much. Completely changed our perspective (which is the actual problem :)! ) on life. You can get it on amazon for a penny + Shipping :)
Also, not sure if you are an alcohol drinker but when I stopped drinking 4 1/2 years ago things got 1000% better in regards to anger and irritability!
Just think - it can only get BETTER from here!!"
Thanks!
Baylamer"
10/18/2013: Mike 62 from Denver, Colorado: "Baylamer: I am a cranky old goat who needs to sweeten up. This is why I am always eating a whole lot of my favorite delicase, sugar. You and I we are not bad people. We have a nutritional deficiency, like Scrooge in the Christmas Carol. I learned everything from my favorite coach, the banana girl. I watched her videos. There are four beneficial substances we need, enzymes, bioactive minerals, sugar, and kangan water that radiates far infrared waves. All these are in raw organic fruit. Raw fruit has enzymes. Organic fruit has 3 times as many minerals as conventionally grown fruit. Bananas and dates have the most sugar. After I eat a bunch of raw organic fruit I admire everybody's proficiency, appreciate everybody's effort and respect everybody's decisions. That is why I am a very popular social butterfly with a lot of interesting people in my life."
10/17/2013: ExerciseLover from Berkeley, Ca: "I commend you for wanting to get ahold of your anger issues. I can relate. Years ago as a young thirty something year old, nasty comments would pour forth from my mouth during my commute into and out of San Francisco during rush hour. I would suprise myself with how much rage I had directed at strangers.After my girlfriend at the time pointed out that I had a problem, I decided to do something about it. I started to work the anger out of my system every day at the gym. I got a personal trainer who was an ex boxer and trained me on the punching bag. After a few months of regular rigorous training, my anger dissipated. Yes, it took a few months. Some people might tell you to try supplements and pscyhologists, but in my opinion you need to exercise until you feel peaceful. And if and when the toxic emotions well up again, you go back to gym or go for an arduous hike. Move it through, don't let it out, is what I tell my kids now when they get angry. Good luck."
10/18/2013: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Try upping your B vitamins, especially B3 (niacin) and magnesium as well. I also found it useful to stop and try to figure out why I was becoming angry--was I hungry, tired, trying to do too much in too little time, etc."
10/18/2013: Kt from Usa: "Hi Baylamer, you should stop eating 100% whole wheat bread, if that's what you eat, and add powdered ginger to whatever foods you eat for starters."
10/18/2013: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Baylamer from Skokie:In re: Irritability
What a great question and also a great confession.
You've taken the first BIG step in getting control of the problem and that is self recognition. That honesty opens the way for a solution.
1. Is the problem of irritability lifelong or has it worsened in the last few years? If it has worsened in the last five years, then it is at least partially caused by fatigue. Your adrenal system is depleted and as such the whole endocrine system is impacted. With hormones out of balance you literally cannot control you reactions. A police officer can easily become endocrine impacted in 15 years. If a male, he should get testosterone supplements AND adrenal glandular pills. A mother who is going to school at night and at the same time is seeing marriage problems, needs an endocrine panel test. She will definitely need adrenal glandular, and maybe thyroid supplements etc.
2. Next in importance of depletion: Magnesium. I am an advocate of Epsom salts baths and oral supplementation of magnesium. Heat up two cups of ESalts in hot water on stove. Then run a very warm bath and pour dissolved salts into bath water. Soak for twenty minutes. Repeat every other day for at least a total of three. In the "old days" our great grand mothers would comment upon encountering an irritated person, "He needs his salts. " That mean the irritated person needed his Epsom salts/ magnesium baths. The transformation can be remarkable. In just a week, you can go from a mad man to a happy and mellow person. The herb valerian is also a help, not only in sleeping but drink it during the day to just "chill."
3. Consider your "situation" in life. If you are living under extreme strain then consider your "life situation. " Example: In my office a few weeks ago I had a couple I was counseling with. In their late twenties their lives had been filled with drama. Both had come from previous marriages and one had maxed out the family credit cards... Not on necessities. I instructed them as follows: "Place a sign on your refrigerator that says, 'I will not blame you and I will not blame myself. ' " Next I offered them a one hundred dollar prize if they would do the following for only five days: After supper they would turn off ALL electronics in the house that created "noise. " For one hour they would sit in their living room and read or just talk. But the talking had to be positive with no negative about anything. They didn't have to talk. They were to try to just enjoy each other's company... even if no words were exchanged.
I have found an amazing relationship between ambient anger... and electronic noise. There must be times of peace... quietness when the spirit can rest. Children can be trained to love such times... when the parents aren't screaming at the kids to be quiet and someone turns the TV even louder to over come the screaming.
The couple I counseled with could not even complete the second night of "one hour of peace."
4. Irritability is almost always associated with lack of exercise. Not exercising at the blare of rock music at the gym. I mean a thirty minute walk in the evening. I find when I walk alone at night I pray for almost the whole time. I come back into the house refreshed and happy.
5. Memorize and repeat: "Be anxious for nothing (don't be anxious about anything), but by prayer and supplication make your requests known unto God. " And speaking of God, if you are a Christian, really if I am exploding in "fits" then I ask myself, "Now would the Lord approve of screaming at that driver like I just did? I then breathe deeply and let my mind relax and chest muscles and shoulders relax, and ask Him to forgive me and fill me anew with His Spirit. " There's nothing like BEING forgiven that lets me forgive myself. And irritation can be based on... Anger at myself even more than anger at others or circumstances. The Christian cannot be controlled by circumstances but actually "give thanks in all things, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. " My irritation/anger level vanishes when I "reckon" that truth as a reality in me. After all, if I am His, and I am, then the responsibility is on Him to take care of me and deal with the problems thrown at me and all I have to do is do all I can, and let him make my work.... Work. Blessed rest. It is paradoxically the "work" of faith.
Irritation/anger/prejudice/frustration/pride...it all vanishes. "I must decrease, He must increase."
10/18/2013: Baylamer from Skokie, Il: "Thanks for the comments! I am already gluten free and dairy free. I am currently detoxing from mercury poisoning via the Andrew Cutler protocol. I have the mthfr gene and am taking Methy B12 vitamins (along with several other types of Bs) as well as Deplin (basically medicinal levels of folate) - people with the mthfr gene don't methyloate (sp?) well. Then I take TMR (type of betaine) and charcoal to help escort the extra homoscyteine out of the body (homocysteine produced by not enough folate - that is what I have read). The Deplin has helped a lot with depression, but I am still darned irritable. I have no emotional reserves. Someone recommended burdock for anger issues, and I just started taking that today.I do agree I need to exercise more - very hard to do as a single mom. I'll just have to work harder to make time to do this. I'll post again after a few days on the burdock. Thanks again for the suggestions!"
10/18/2013: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I admire you for recognizing the problem and making an effort to address it. Many irritable people just don't care if they bludgeon other people.There is something called tapping. It involves tapping certain accupuncture points. I'd study that and other body energy manipulating techniques. You may find something very simple that you can do to release your irritability. I'd also consider visiting a real shaman or psychic involved in energy systems who may be able to find a source for it."
10/18/2013: Debbie T. from Australia : "I have a book on excitotoxins. I think I remember reading that they can cause anger issues. Both MSG and aspartame. MSG has many other names as well. I remember at the time thinking that is probably why we are seeing so many angry drivers on the road.Another thought, even though you are gluten free are you having a lot of gluten free products? They contain starches that will raise your blood glucose levels rather high. Also too many carbohydrates would also raise blood sugar.
Since I went wheat & grain free, with limited carbohydrates, my diet is high in fats which seem to have a soothing effect on me. I feel so much more peaceful and relaxed.
Many parents with kids going grain free (not just gluten free) have also said their children's behavior & anger issues either vanished or were greatly reduced."
10/18/2013: Kt from Usa: "It is important that you take B-Complex with the ones you take because not taking all of the B's causes a deficiency in the others. I only take a B-Complex once in awhile because I eat limited amounts of meat and eggs, sometimes twice a day.I have to mention that I too got angry at everything all the time but once I started weeding hidden sources of MSG out of my diet I noticed a difference. MSG is a nerve stimulant and I used to be easily angered.
I could not eat plain yogurt without getting angry at virtually nothing. My daughter brought this to my attention when she was around six. I know you said you were dairy-free but do you eat anything that contains any corn, soy or whey ingredients? Do you take many supplements?
The binders and fillers in supplements/vitamins contributed to my anger. Capsules contain 11 to 13 mg of MSG. I have to get powdered magnesium. It is important to know absorption of magnesium may be inhibited by calcium.
Seriously, if your doctor has given you a clean bill of health, you need to find out what you are ingesting that could be contributing to your anger. It seems you may be getting more nerve stimulants in your diet than you can handle (It happened to me). I used to get migraines so bad I'd vomit. I used to have fits of rage. Eating habits are hereditary and you want to help your little one(s) while you are in more control of what is eaten.
This is being prepared piecemeal. Both of my babies were breech but only one was caesarean. I cannot sit here very long.
Our food supply has been tainted and has become very hard to digest (the binders and fillers come from the GMO plants). I cannot eat raw fruits or vegetables. I was a big meat eater but because the animals we eat or get milk and eggs from are being fed GMO grasses and grains I had to reduce my consumption. This was good because it helped me get my weight back down.
I mentioned "ginger"... Ginger contains an antidepressant ingredient. Sometimes I take 1/8 tsp of ginger and 1/8 tsp turmeric together in a little warm water but I sprinkle both on a variety of food. I only use sea salt because the flowing agent in commercial salt contributes to inflammation. My arthritis, backaches, and sciatica ceased when I changed my diet.
There is no one-size-fits-all remedy because everyone eats different and can tolerate different varieties of food. I hope some of this information helps you."
10/18/2013: Tim from Ga: "I have found out the hard way that Monosodium Gludamate(MSG) has a very nasty affect on my mood and has caused rage that is shamefull. This garbage is in more and more processed food to a staggering about. It is horrible for children to eat this too. I have a bag full of food items that are going back to the store cause I failed to read the label, but you have to do it with out fail to know it's not in a product, but now thier are other names for it to disguise it. Some want to say it's natural and occurs in food anyway, so why add more? To make products addictive."
02/21/2014: Hermiticwonderer from Los Angeles, Ca: "Wow you got some awesome responses! Go Earth Clinic! :DJust wanted to add - I dealt with an intense anger, everything made me mad, everyone made me mad, I could not handle the circumstance of life.
I recommend looking up Stuart Wilde and purchasing a copy of his book Infinite Self. It really truly helped me and my boyfriend so much. Completely changed our perspective (which is the actual problem :)! ) on life. You can get it on amazon for a penny + Shipping :)
Also, not sure if you are an alcohol drinker but when I stopped drinking 4 1/2 years ago things got 1000% better in regards to anger and irritability!
Just think - it can only get BETTER from here!!"
Fri, 21 Feb 14 16:52:45 -0600
Thank you for the info! & your right, it is not good to keep a fresh tattoo covered in plastic wrap daily. However, it IS a good idea to have the tattoo artist cover it with the wrap immediately after application UNTIL YOU GET HOME and can properly clean, moisturize & dress it. This keeps out immediate infection and sun exposure.
We have found that using a bee wax based petroleum alternative like waxalene really helps our tattoos heal quickly and the brightest they can be. There is rosemary oil in it which helps cut infection.
Also - AMAZING for scars is Rosehip Seed Oil. I have found a regiment of coconut oil + raw honey on this burn scar I have on my eyelid then followed with rosehip seed oil has really been helping.
Caution using the Rosehip seed oil on tattoos though, my boyfriend just had a bad reaction to a yellow dye and was not sure if he caused it himself by putting the rosehip seed oil on the tat (probably not but you never know).
Good Luck!"
Ps. If you have pre existing scar tissue you can use the same method, however it take much linger once the scar has already had time to form. God bless."
[WARNING!] 09/02/2009: Ellis Garvin from Haiku, Hi: "I appreciate your suggestions, Cary, but the one about covering skin with plastic wrap went against what I'd heard about skin needing to breath, so I did some quick internet research about it. From what I've read, some tattoo parlors mistakenly tell people to use plastic wrap to cover their new tattoos (so people can see the tattoo without the person needing to remove a bandage to show them.) However, many states make it illegal to use plastic over tattoos due to the higher risk of infection. Also, the The National Tattoo Association and the Alliance of Professional Tattooists prohibit tattoo artists from putting plastic wrap over tattoos because the skin needs to breathe, and plastic wrap traps moisture and heat against the skin and fosters the growth of bacteria which leads to infection.
I hope everyone using this wonderful website is smart and uses critical thinking before trying alternative remedies suggested by a single source. This website has literally saved me hundreds of dollars in doctor bills and much emotional and physical pain, but I still am very careful to cross-check and do further research on any remedy that I find here."
[YEA] 02/21/2014: Hermiticwonderer from Los Angeles, Ca: "To Ellis -Thank you for the info! & your right, it is not good to keep a fresh tattoo covered in plastic wrap daily. However, it IS a good idea to have the tattoo artist cover it with the wrap immediately after application UNTIL YOU GET HOME and can properly clean, moisturize & dress it. This keeps out immediate infection and sun exposure.
We have found that using a bee wax based petroleum alternative like waxalene really helps our tattoos heal quickly and the brightest they can be. There is rosemary oil in it which helps cut infection.
Also - AMAZING for scars is Rosehip Seed Oil. I have found a regiment of coconut oil + raw honey on this burn scar I have on my eyelid then followed with rosehip seed oil has really been helping.
Caution using the Rosehip seed oil on tattoos though, my boyfriend just had a bad reaction to a yellow dye and was not sure if he caused it himself by putting the rosehip seed oil on the tat (probably not but you never know).
Good Luck!"
Fri, 21 Feb 14 12:05:48 -0600
I agree with Anon = great reply!! ;D
To add - I had issues around and on my period that would turn into stomach cramping/intestinal issues as well as acid reflux up to 2 weeks before and during.
Anon mentioned the psyllium husk and it has DEFINITELY helped me! I take 1 tsp - 2 tsp daily in my amazing grass green drink. It absorbs excess estrogen so I have noticed a huge difference in my mood and temperament as well as a decrease in bloating and inflammation on and around my period & just in general. It also draws a lot of old toxin buildup out of your intestines which could be causing pressure and discomfort in your abdomen.
I also used to drink a lot of wine, red specifically (like a bottle every other day) & I found when I stopped drinking alcohol entirely 4 1/2 years ago a LOT of the symptoms I had been experiencing also dissipated. Including feelings of depression, anxiety, stress and worry. It took maybe a year though for me to feel as though a good portion of the alcohol toxins had left my body. If you still drink, drink organic alcohol only!
I also went 100% vegan around the time I stopped drinking and that was a complete life changer for me (before that I had not eaten meat for over 10 years). While this lifestyle is not for everyone, I think you'd really benefit from a higher plant based diet in general.
And lastly, I would definitely look into essential oils. Plai Oil is amazing for pain. Lavender Essential Oil, Yarrow Essential Oil, Geranium Essential Oil, Frankincense Essential Oil, Myrrh Essential Oil, Birch Essential Oil - all have anti- inflammation properties and a whole host of other benefits that could really help. You can make a topical skin application using a carrier oil (vegetable oil) such as Borage Seed Oil (also anti-inflammatory), Hemp Seed Oil, Sesame Oil, etc. and then massage that mixture into your abdomen daily. You can also take essential oils orally - many people take frankincense oil drops in a capsule daily for cancer as an example.
All in all remember - when things are stressing you out, stop, breathe and take a minute to re-balance yourself. Mediate for 5,10 minutes if you only have that much time a day but if you could get in at least 26 minutes a day you will seriously notice the difference. Stress eats you alive & all of our stress is pointless, whether you stress or not life just is! So enjoy it! Look up Stuart Wilde too :)"
Hello - I am planning to see a doctor about this, but the last few times I've spoken with doctors about it, they were clueless, so I'd love some thoughts on what I'm dealing with before speaking to the doctor again.
I've been experiencing pain at the bottom of my esophagus that I believe is acid reflux. I've had a few bouts lately where the inflammation/pain spreads to all over my stomach area, and the entire area below breasts and above hips is very painful, even painful to the touch. I've also had some blood in stools after these bouts. A few months ago I had an "attack" where the pain was so bad I ended up in the hospital overnight. They thought it might be my appendix (by the time they poked around my stomach area the pain had spread everywhere, and putting pressure on my appendix made me see stars), but it turned out it wasn't the appendix. The pain was gone by the next day, although I had blood in my stools for an additional day. So they sent me home with no answers and a huge hospital bill. I'd really (really! ) like to avoid that happening again.
I've had these bad attacks about three or four times where the pain was enough to double me over. I believe broccoli triggers the pain, so I have cut that out. Also overindulging in alcohol, so I've cut that out too. These are the things that make me think it's acid reflux. I've been treating them with G******n (antacid) and curcumin, which sometimes help.
Again, I'm not opposed to medical help - I just don't want to be sent home with no answers and I can not afford unnecessary medical tests and bills.
Some background that may/may not be helpful: I eat gluten and soy free, with minimal dairy. I take 50 mg Iodoral a day, with companion supplements. I have PCOS, fibrocystic breasts, and a goiter (hence the iodine). I have a lot of worry and stress in my life. I used to drink a lot of wine but I have cut that out. I'm 45. Thanks for any insight. What other information can I provide that would help?"
12/01/2013: Mike 62 from Denver, Colorado: "Ecfan99: I was all messed up at your age. Eventually I learned that cooked regular food does not provide enough nutrition. All you have to do is eat raw organic produce and raw grassfed animal products like hamburger and eggs. Eat 80% carbs, 5% fiber, 10% protein, and 5% oil by weight. I take the concentrates. They are easier and less costly. They are shipped from reputable companies at wholesale prices. The way to get well soon is to take some every hour with 12oz of water. Ferments have the most bioactive nutrients and are pre digested so start with them. The asian market has non gmo red miso and kimchi. They also have caviar. Try raw honey and whole sugars like evaporated cane, date, and palm for carbs. The best veggie is making green smoothies in a blender from organic baby leaves. The best fruit are berries. Whole Foods has pastured eggs, 17 mushroom extract blend from Washington, nondenatured whey, black chia seeds, and colostrum. Watch raw food and superfood videos."
12/17/2013: Anon from Anon: "I wonder if your intestine got twisted. It happened to someone I know. Or you maybe have fibroids blocking the normal action of the intestine? Get the intestines flowing smoothly and gently to clean out any infection you may have, and build up the intestinal tissue. Try kelp, aloe juice, slippery elm, parsley, cucumber - peel and seeds removed, apple sauce, cantaloup. Maybe psyllium husk with 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in a large glass of water once or twice a day. To help rebuild the damaged intestine - if that's the reason for the blood - try bone broth, cayenne, ginger, goat milk, lemon juice, parsley. Parsley is said to kill cancer. Try taking the psyllium/baking soda combo and eating only parsley and lemon juice for a day or two. The broccoli may have cause pain by causing gas and bloating. Blood in stool is sometimes a sign of cancer, but we believe cancer is always curable, so relax, put your thoughts in order, and read up around the EC site.Love and hugs
What is the source of your worry and stress? Take valerian before bed with cantaloup (so you don't get dehydrated), and take it during the day if you feel stressed. St. John's Wort is good too. Or find a hormone balancing supplement. Don't take valerian with caffeine or you may get really nasty and crabby feeling. Cayenne is known to reduce blood flow during menses, so if you don't sleep from heavy period try taking it before bed so you don't bleed through during the night.
For the PCOS, don't go on birth control pill, rather quit eating chocolate and drinking coffee and green and black tea, get more magnesium and potassium, use only baking soda (or borax) and apple cider vinegar to wash your body and hair with. Go to your local natural foods store and find a hormone balancing supplement. Try white sage tea, damiana, vitex, or dong quai. Drink every day a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water before meals, 1/4? teaspoon baking soda in water after meals may help too.
Read about EC recommendations of diets for kidney problems: less cooked food and meat, mostly fresh raw fruit and veggies, small frequent meals, lots of water, etc. If I remember right kidneys help manage hormones, so that may be the source of all your mishap."
02/21/2014: Hermiticwonderer from Los Angeles, Ca: "To ECFan99 -I agree with Anon = great reply!! ;D
To add - I had issues around and on my period that would turn into stomach cramping/intestinal issues as well as acid reflux up to 2 weeks before and during.
Anon mentioned the psyllium husk and it has DEFINITELY helped me! I take 1 tsp - 2 tsp daily in my amazing grass green drink. It absorbs excess estrogen so I have noticed a huge difference in my mood and temperament as well as a decrease in bloating and inflammation on and around my period & just in general. It also draws a lot of old toxin buildup out of your intestines which could be causing pressure and discomfort in your abdomen.
I also used to drink a lot of wine, red specifically (like a bottle every other day) & I found when I stopped drinking alcohol entirely 4 1/2 years ago a LOT of the symptoms I had been experiencing also dissipated. Including feelings of depression, anxiety, stress and worry. It took maybe a year though for me to feel as though a good portion of the alcohol toxins had left my body. If you still drink, drink organic alcohol only!
I also went 100% vegan around the time I stopped drinking and that was a complete life changer for me (before that I had not eaten meat for over 10 years). While this lifestyle is not for everyone, I think you'd really benefit from a higher plant based diet in general.
And lastly, I would definitely look into essential oils. Plai Oil is amazing for pain. Lavender Essential Oil, Yarrow Essential Oil, Geranium Essential Oil, Frankincense Essential Oil, Myrrh Essential Oil, Birch Essential Oil - all have anti- inflammation properties and a whole host of other benefits that could really help. You can make a topical skin application using a carrier oil (vegetable oil) such as Borage Seed Oil (also anti-inflammatory), Hemp Seed Oil, Sesame Oil, etc. and then massage that mixture into your abdomen daily. You can also take essential oils orally - many people take frankincense oil drops in a capsule daily for cancer as an example.
All in all remember - when things are stressing you out, stop, breathe and take a minute to re-balance yourself. Mediate for 5,10 minutes if you only have that much time a day but if you could get in at least 26 minutes a day you will seriously notice the difference. Stress eats you alive & all of our stress is pointless, whether you stress or not life just is! So enjoy it! Look up Stuart Wilde too :)"
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02/21/2014: Nisha from Karnataka/ India: "How and where do I get black strap molasses?"
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12/08/2010: Patricia from Montreal, Quebec: "Hi, I love earth clinic so much. I have a question relating to underweight kids. My daughter was very premature, 28 weeks, 500grams. She spent 3month in the NICU. She has hydrocephalus, no shunt, but has had MRIs to keep track of her condition. Other than that she has been very healthy, very happy, she is now 2 1/2 and talking tons, and is ahead of her age developmentally. She eats lots, is not picky, and does not have any known allergies. But she is sooo tiny, she is about 19 lbs at 2 1/2. I always say she just started small and she is staying small. But I am always looking for ways I can get some fat on her. Any advice would be really appreciated. I give her vit d, acidophulus, multi vit, and an immune combo vit everyday. Thank you so much everyone!"
12/08/2010: Anna from Pittsburgh, Pa: "I've heard that stinging nettle might help. Its especially good for children with poor appetite! Just buy it in tea form and give to your child once or twice a day. Make sure to speak to a doctor first in case it might counteract with medication. I hope this helps. Good luck!"
12/09/2010: Merryanne from Orange City, Florida, Usa: "If it was my child I would be sure she gets at least one tablespoon of virgin coconut oil mixed in her food each and every day, (not at the night meal, it gives too much energy), a pro-biotic to help restore digestion, and if she likes to drink milk, I would try to get raw goat milk, it digest much better than cow milk, , , and get her off all unfermented soy, read all labels of all food processed, soy products will block absorption of a lot of the vitamins and minerals. I hope this helps, Merryanne in Central FL"
12/09/2010: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "My baby was also premature and was underweight for years, and then she just grew! Into a lovely young lady of average height! I never sweated about it and hope you won't."
12/09/2010: Brooke from Montgomery, Tx, Usa: "Since your child is only 3, if you have ANY questions about this, then ask your Dr.!! Get some bottles of Fletcher's Castoria, it is a mild laxative for children. Give it to him in a scant half teaspoon starting at 7am every thirty minutes until bedtime. That will get his stomach juices working properly. I use this on my children often, and they like the flavor - it tastes like Root Beer. I buy it in bulk also!! Then put flannel packs on his abdomen with an equal mixture of camphor oil, turpentine oil, and mutton suet. Melt the mutton first and then add the other two to it. Put a hot water bottle on top of that and leave it there for 30 minutes to 1 hour. Do that for 3 days straight. After this, get him on Castor oil packs, they are great for all ailments of the body. There is some information on EC about that and how to do it.In his diet use those things that are easily assimilated. Instead of using cows' milk use dried milk. Give him more of the juices from the food for a while, it will be more easily digested in his body. Also I would start giving him Lime water and cinnamon water, not together but lime one day the next day cinnamon water, for 15 days do this. This will settle the stomach and hopefully cause his gastric flow to become more normal. I would keep him away from all nuts and nut oils, this might be why when he eats outside the home his stomach becomes upset.
My child had an allergy to peanuts and when we went to a restaurant I needed to ask them if they cook with peanut oil. Almonds MIGHT be OK - they have so many great vitamins in them. If you can get American saffron, which is the saffron that is not expensive, then take a tea cup with boiling water and add a pinch of the yellow saffron to that, let it steep and then strain it. Yellow saffron tea is very good for the digestion! Also some light massaging of his spine and his abdomen would be good, with olive oil. Olive oil is a food for the body. I use a steam shower and while my pores are open, I massage olive oil into my skin, that may help your son also. Good luck and I hope this helps you."
09/17/2011: Preeti from Coppell, Tx Usa: "Hi, my baby is now 13 months. She is underweight (17 Lb) I have tried so many things for improving her weight, almost everything, but doesn't work out. I am very much concerned about her weight, please help me out and suggest to me something that my baby can eat more and more and become pumpkin. Most of the time I cry because she is very beautiful but very skinny and tiny. Please help me I am still crying."
09/19/2011: Ari from Atlanta, Ga.: "Hi Preeti! Your baby may do well on Goat Milk! It does not have the problems that Cow milk may have for many people. It is very nutritious and should help your baby soon! It is said to be most similar to Human Breastmilk. It may come fresh at a supermarket or healthfood store in a can or powder to mix with water. Taste better than cow's milk too! Blessings to you!"
09/20/2011: Yoyo from Earth: "Hi Preeti, Is there anything you are worried about aside from physical appearance? Is your child often sick? Are there behaviour problems? Is she in pain? Problems in her development?Otherwise I wouldn't worry too much. I was a skinny kid myself until I got to my thirties. As a kid I lost count of how many diets and "treatments" I went on trying to gain weight. Some worked, all failed in the long run. It took decades for me to accept that my metabolism was a bit stronger than most people and this is just who I am. I finally got rid of all hang-ups and learned to love myself for who I am and not what other people think "healthy" should be.
Just thought I would say it, be careful. You might, with the best of all intentions, unknowingly plant some self-hatred seeds in your child while she is perfectly healthy and unique. However you should definitely seek advice if you suspect malnutrition, development problems, etc."
09/20/2011: Jen from Bozeman, Mt, Us: "Hi Preeti, I just wanted to give you my story to comfort you a little. I have 5 children. All were born big and healthy at 8 lbs 6 oz and up. They all were very tiny toddlers. My 4 girls were about 18 to 19 lbs at 3 yrs old. My son is only 4 now but he is also very small. Not even on the charts that the doctors use at this time. I tried not to worry because you can cause them to have eating disorders if you make food their adversery instead of letting them choose to eat when they want. I made sure to give them plenty of food that they might eat, available for each meal. They all had very different appetites. Two eat really well and alot and 3 are a little pickier yet they all were about the same size at each stage.My oldest is 15 and she is now a very tall (5' 9") teenager who is at a perfect weight. She is very healthy in her food choices. My next daughter is 14 and is also very tall and healthy weight (she was one of the picky ones) she has chosen to be a vegetarian and still maintains great health with supplements and vitamins. My third is still small. She is only 10 but she has had digestive problems since she was a baby. We now give her enzymes and she is doing very well. My two little ones are still very small. My 6 year old is a huge eater. Sometimes she will eat like a teenage boy and she is still tiny. I think that it has alot to do with DNA and metabolism. Don't worry though. Children only need 1/4 of a peanut butter sandwich per day (Concerning calories) in order to survive. They can be given supplements and vitamins to help with nutrients if need be but they will grow at their own pace no matter what."
09/21/2011: Oscar from Syracuse, New York, Usa: "Dear Jen, There is a product named: Ensure whic is made to be an easily digested source of essential amino acids, vitamins and minerals, and healthy type calories. That is what this product is designed for. Many doctors prescibe ensure for people with digestive problems. You can buy ensure at most drugstores, many supermarkets and all Walmart stores so it is not hard to obtain. You buy it in 6 packs for about 7 or 8 dollars. It is about as safe as it gets as a product. No presciption is required to buy it. A dear friend of mine recover from a state in wich she had great difficlty digesting just about everything else. She is fine now thanks to this stuff....Oscar"
09/21/2011: Ari from Atlanta, Ga: "Hi Preeti: I personally would not give ensure to anyone much-less a Baby! Here is a partial list of what is in it from livestrong.com
The original Ensure supplement drink contains water, sugar, corn syrup, corn maltdextrin, milk protein concentrate, soy oil, soy protein concentrate, short-chain fructooligosaccarides, cocoa powder, canola oil and less than 0. 5 percent of corn oil"
09/21/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia : "I agree with Ari, Ensure should not be taken. All that soy product in it is enough to send me running.You are better off having her drink green smoothies (including wheatgrass) as they contain all the vitamins and minerals. Stay away from processed foods as they are dead calories with no nutritional benefit. I would also give her a digestive enzyme and probiotics to ensure food is being properly digested not just "passing through".
Do you have access to raw milk products, or raw goats milk? They would also help her."
10/13/2011: Obeybunny from Santa Ana, California, USA: "Avocados and Ensure Drink (also called Pediasure Drink)Try feeding your child Avocados and a chocolate flavored vitamin-protein drink called Ensure- there's one that is designed for maintaining weight. When my mom (who is now in her 60's) was an infant, she was what the doctors at that time called a "failure to thrive baby. " No matter what her parents fed her (home made baby formula, liver, peas, exc. ) she would not gain weight or get taller until her parents started feeding her Avocados mixed with mayonnaise. After that, she started to grow. Her cheeks regained color.
I had a similar problem to your 3 year old when I was a kid- I never ate much food. In fact, I think I could comfortably go 2 days without eating. My mom started making me drink Ensure every day which I could tolerate drinking because it never made me feel sickeningly full the way that more than one third of a cup of food did.
Oh, and one last thing. If your son catches a cold that doesn't go away within a month, get him checked out for hyperthyroidism (especially if his thyroid is as large as an adult mans') and iron deficiency. Other symptoms may be that his hair easily pulls out or that he chronically has hard stools."
10/13/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia : "Obeybunny from memory Ensure has many terrible ingredients in it that I would not have anyone take. It has canola oil, soy, MSG and corn oil.... All terrible unhealthy things to take.You are better off making green smoothies yourself... Lots of green vegetables, add carrots, maybe some apple or lemon juice to sweeten it a bit. Much more healthy and no additives that will damage your health.
I am very cautious of any processed "health" food .. most have additives you would not want in your body."
02/19/2014: Taileda from Pennsylvania: "I have recently stumbled upon this website and love all of the information available. I do have a very challenging situation. I have a 5 yr old daughter who has Autism. She has always been underweight and is an extremely picky eater. I have tried to give her vitamins in her orange juice, Pediazure and she immediately picks up on the taste and will not drink it. Her pediatrician and feeding team has put her on Pediasure 3x's a day for weight and for her vitamin intake. What can I do to improve her weight as well as her appetite?"
02/19/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Try giving her a selenium supplement. I use it for my skin cancer and my appetite always goes through the roof when I use it. You probably should get some professional help as to dosage because she's young and too much can lead to health problems."
02/20/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Taileda,I would keep searching for high calorie/high nutrient foods to try and hopefully you will find some things that she likes. Avacados would be great.
Mike from Denver often posts on this site with lots of information about high nutrient and healing foods. Take note and see what you might be able to fit into your daughter's diet.
I have a child that doesn't have the best appetite. I have been helping her through some health issues and am trying to maximize her nutrition. I have been making home made milk kefir smoothies for her and she actually has one for breakfast and looks forward to it daily. She used to not eat much breakfast. Here is the recipe. I make a big batch so others in the family can enjoy, and I freeze leftovers in small containers and she says they taste like ice cream. It makes a great snack. (We rarely eat ice cream, so maybe it really doesn't! :) )
1 quart whole milk kefir (I make mine with raw milk.)
2 Tablespoons raw cacao powder
2 Tablespoons Chia Seeds
4 Tablespoons Sucanat (or other natural or raw sugar, honey etc.)
1/2 teaspoon vanilla
1/4 t. celtic sea salt
2 organic bananas or 1/2 cup blueberries (you can do both)
I blend all of this up in the blender.
Rachel Weaver, in her book, Be Your Child's Pediatrician has some information about autism. She recommend Clay Baths and has found it to be very helpful for children with autism. If it improves overall health, it may improve appetite. It is something to look into.
Please let us know what you learn and what helps you!
~Mama to Many~ "
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Have them drink 2 glass of Kefir a day...The kind that HAS the fat in it and NO fruit flavoring...Just plain..."
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02/20/2014: Bee from New York: "Hi Alla from ChicagoI do have high bp and I tried cayenne pepper and it did also raise my bp..With the things I read though it said it lowers bp ...
I am not sure why it raises bp but I guess that is because it opens up the blood vessels wider .. well hopefully an expert here will weigh in. Now I just sprinkle a few drops on food but am careful not to use it too much....."
02/21/2014: Caitlin from Austin Texas: "Perhaps you are allergic to capsicum. I can take cayenne but my sister cannot, and, it does raise her BP too; not so me. Everyone is blessed differently, so, taking cayenne might not be your body's thing. Cat"
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Try a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with a 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda with a squirt of lemon twice a day...It will alkalize you and lower your BP..You may even do it three times a day if you fell you need it..."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 12:02:54 -0600
Not sure how 2 pinch of pink salt can lead to loose motions. I would like to switch to organic sea salt. Since I started this remedy, I could feel lot of thirst. Looks like my body is dehydrated. Is their any way I can take salt and water solution everyday to cure my constipation?
Thanks."
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Eat something like toast or a bagel to slow the sea salt from going straight through...Or take magnesium citrate liquid...It works fast for constipation and doesn't have a harsh reaction in the intestine.."
02/21/2014: Ricks from Delhi: "Currently, I am suffering like diarrhea right now. Since last 10 years, I have never faced diarrhea. Currently want to get rid of DIARRHEA and move towards normal bowel movement."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 12:02:21 -0600
Hi all, my boyfriend is using Pevaryl for a rash for over 10yrs but it only goes away for a short time and then comes back. He says that the doc says he got it from swimming in the river or it's something to do with his nervous system. Can anyone enlighten us to other alternatives please?"
02/21/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Irishpixie: The fungus goes dormant when the medicine is applied and eventually develops defenses. Cells make electricity that zaps all diseases when nourished properly. Carnivores thrived during a long drought while eating the carcasses of herbivores who had died from anthrax even when the deadly pathogen was in their food. You can search raw food videos. The 80/10/10ers enjoy great success."
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Put either Lugols iodine or regular iodine twice a day on the rash..It should subside considerably in less than a week."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 12:01:49 -0600
Hi all, my boyfriend is using Pevaryl for a rash for over 10yrs but it only goes away for a short time and then comes back. He says that the doc says he got it from swimming in the river or it's something to do with his nervous system. Can anyone enlighten us to other alternatives please?"
02/21/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Irishpixie: The fungus goes dormant when the medicine is applied and eventually develops defenses. Cells make electricity that zaps all diseases when nourished properly. Carnivores thrived during a long drought while eating the carcasses of herbivores who had died from anthrax even when the deadly pathogen was in their food. You can search raw food videos. The 80/10/10ers enjoy great success."
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Put either Lugols iodine or regular iodine twice a day on the rash..It should subside considerably in less than a week."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 12:01:12 -0600
02/21/2014: Mr. Ree from Usa: "Take 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt in a glass of water..three times a day will help considerably..."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 11:59:46 -0600
I also took 1TBS ACV (apple cider vinegar) yesterday once and today just once so far. I may try taking more of that if the DM doesn't work better.
In the past I have tried D-Mannose on a cat with pretty good success. That's why I already had it in stock."
This last round of antibiotics seemed to work, but two days after completing the course, the bladder infection came back and the symptoms were worse than before.
I recommended d mannose dissolved in a 500ml bottle of water, taken at one bottle three times per day. Within 24 hours of starting, the symptoms had diminished significantly and after 72 hours, the symptoms were gone.
Since this is a recurring problem that the doctor told him he is prone to, he will likely need to use d mannose again, but at least he won't have to deal with the negative side effects of taking antibiotics anymore and e coli will never become resistant to d mannose because d mannose does not actually try to kill e coli, it merely binds to it and then allows the body to flush it out naturally. Also, d mannose has an excellent safety profile and is the ingredient in pineapple juice and cranberry juice that is effective against UTI's, however when you mix it with water, you get the positive effects without all of the sugar contained in the juices and it is much stronger than the small amount available in the juices. D mannose in water is almost tasteless, so it is easy to swallow.
The downside is that d mannose is only effective against e coli based UTI's, but the greater majority of UTI's are caused by e coli, so d mannose is probably a good first choice before resorting to antibiotics. If you don't notice improvement within 24 hours, then your uti may not be caused by e coli and you will have to look elsewhere for a resolution.
Art"
09/08/2013: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi Art, your post does not indicate as to how much D-Mannose you dissolved in 500 ml of water. If you can give this detail. Thanks, Baldev"
09/12/2013: Art from California: "Hi Baldev,It was 3 capsules @ 700mg each dissolved into a 500ml bottle of water @ 3 bottles per day. If you are using bulk powder I would imagine 2 grams/2, 000mg per bottle would work just fine. It dissolves quickly and is pretty much tasteless.
I think I may have worded the dose improperly in my initial post, so to clarify, it is 3 bottles spaced out throughout the day with approximatelly 2 grams of d mannose in each bottle for a total of 6 grams of d mannose per day.
Btw, his bladder infection has not returned, but he is well stocked on D-mannose now just in case! This turned out to be perfect timing for him since he had no more options as far as antibiotics go.
Art"
[YEA] 02/21/2014: Kt from Texas: "I've only been using the D-Mannose powder on myself for a day and a half but it seems to be helping - though I still couldn't sleep through the night. Seems like if I don't take it every couple of hours, it starts feeling worse again. I'm going to stick with it for a few days. I woke up yesterday morning at 1 or 2 am with a sudden pain and urgency - weirdly I had a dream of blood in my urine right before - and sure enough when I went, it was pinkish. Anyway, today the urgency is the worst part for me, I guess that IS the pain. I ran a low fever most of the day yesterday but that's gone today. Ted said not to drink tons of water so I'm a little conflicted on that, but I can see his point as it increases the pressure and feeling of urgency.I also took 1TBS ACV (apple cider vinegar) yesterday once and today just once so far. I may try taking more of that if the DM doesn't work better.
In the past I have tried D-Mannose on a cat with pretty good success. That's why I already had it in stock."
Lemon Water for Insomnia
Fri, 21 Feb 14 11:58:38 -0600
I learned this from my husband as he loves to read about health issues.
He told me to try this for insomnia:
1. Fill a pitcher or container full of clean water.
2. Take a fresh lemon and slice it across in a few slices.
3. Place the slices of lemon in the water and allow this to sit for awhile.
4. Throughout the day drink a few glasses for this lemon/water. I try to drink at least 5 or 6 glasses of the lemon water.
This helps me sleep like a baby! Don't give up if it doesn't work for a few days. Keep drinking this solution.
What the lemons do is Alkaline the water! My husband read that our drinking water is too acidity. He read that this solution is similar to using baking soda. This has helped me so much in getting sleep.
I hope it works for those with insomnia. It works for my husband, my sister in law, and it works for me!
Once more thing if you use sugar in this water the sugar will only make the water acid again. Please do not use sugar in it."
Fri, 21 Feb 14 11:55:31 -0600
03/21/2009: Dianna from Austin, Tx: "funny you should mention this. when i first started taking ACV - and i only take 1 teaspoon a day - suddenly my sex drive re-awakened. i think that it just gives your immune system a kick in the pants and when you feel good - you feel good!"
02/21/2014: Dedubbya from North Carolina: "That's really interesting. I will have to check on that.. lol"
Locating Food Grade Peroxide in India
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