Sat, 01 Mar 14 08:38:50 -0600
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Sat, 01 Mar 14 08:38:03 -0600
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
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I have glaucoma, floaters in the left eye which has recently become blurrier and there is some vision loss, h pylori, GERD, sliding hiatal hernia, insomnia, etc. I am also petite, older woman weighing less than 100 lbs in weight.
I work and carry my brita filtered chlorinated free (keep water in open container for 12 hours) in Nalgene (made in USA) plastic container. I use this water to take Lugol with ACV, vitamins C, glycine, other vitamins, minerals and Diamateous Earth.
I intend to start the Borax regimen as per instructions on this site but will use less than 1/8 tsp because of my body weight and have the following questions:
- Can I use my Nalgene container to carry the 1 litre borax water?
- Can I use this water as any ordinary water, e.g., to take my lugol, vitamins, minerals, Diamateous Earth, Clay, etc.?
- Can I boil this water and add turmeric, black pepper, salt, lime, etc. ? Will the borax in water react?
I do not know how the Earth Clinic works, how can I find my post and any responses?
Thank you very much for any suggestions. Sherry"
09/19/2013: Mike from Denver, Colorado: "Sherry: Most of the time you can mix various substances together because they are natural. Every day I mix 12 substances, including borax, together in some water and sip on that every hour. To be absolutely sure you can take borax alone."
01/17/2014: Doddie from Georgia, Usa: "I would like to know why it is suggested to use distilled water to make borax drinking water because if used with other waters it turns to something else. So my question is.....if purified or tap water is used to make the tea or coffee is it counter productive to add a pinch of borax ? If coffee is made with tap or purified water can a pinch of borax be put in the water before pouring it in the coffee pot?"
02/28/2014: Jdb from South Carolina: "The reason you would not want to use borax with purified/tap water is because Borax is responding as a chelate-meaning it is bonding with metals/minerals that are free. These waters contain them therefore the only thing you would be purifying/detoxing is your tea. It will have very little detoxing effects in the body because it has already bonded with various pollutants in the water. Distilled water is best because ions have been removed therefore allowing borax to exist in its natural composition and unbonded to any trace minerals or metals. This then will allow the borax to attract any toxic metals/minerals (& everything else it can) and escort it out of the body in waste once ingested.Long story short, borax bonds with the pollutants in tap/purified water and you then no longer have borax but now some other compound. It is useless for detoxing. Pollutants removed in distilled water which allows for the introduction of pure borax into the body where it will be able to bind with toxic metals and such.
Hope this helps!!!"
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I used water from a berkey filter + fluoride filter and I did fine. Ted says it is important to take magnesium just to be on safe side because borax needs magnesium to work and it chelates some magnesium out of the body. This could be another reason why it could fail. Distilled water is ideal if you have it available since one minimizes interaction with the substance."
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07/05/2010: Chris from Miami, Fl: "Beer and wine contains oxolates and will reduce your risk of kidney stones. My wife could not believe the Urologist actually prescribed me to drink as much beer as possible to pass the stone!
As prevention wine and beer along with plenty of water will reduce kidney stone formation."
09/01/2010: No-nonsense from Tucson, Arizona: "Alcohol is your enemy when it comes to kidney stone formation. I also had a urologist recommend beer to pass kidney stones. She, like many urologists, didn't have a clue about nutrition. Yes, beer, like coffee, is a diuretic. But it also dehydrates you and contains oxalates (acid constituent in calcium oxalate kidney stones). If you want to pass a kidney stone, drink A LOT of water (I have passed 8 of them, I know). Always stay hydrated. There is a reason why Arizona is considered the kidney stone capital of the US, namely dehydration. That in combination with consuming chocolate, coffee, alcohol, soy products and other bitter substances (rhubarb, spinach, etc. ). The other danger is sugar. Sugar and artificial sweeteners. They deplete your body's ability to absorb magnesium, which helps make calcium soluble to the body. If you are not absorbing the calcium, then your body eliminates it, which means it passes through your kidneys, thereby increasing the chance of kidney stone formation. Avoid sugars and artificial sweeteners. I had a hard time changing my diet (oh, avoid nuts too), but your long-term health is more important than being able to enjoy a chocolate ice cream with nuts on top."
12/08/2010: Howard from Sarasota, Fl: "Yes, alcohol should be avoided according to any urologist who's up-to-date on research. All alcohol has oxalates, and research has figured out that oxalates are what causes most people's stones. If you have a stone removed thru surgery, or if you pee it out and capture it in a screen (they give you at the hospital but you can probably buy them), they can find out if it's an oxalate stone or not. But most of them are, so you should avoid oxalates as much as reasonable. They are in a lot of foods, and in all alcohol, so best to avoid alcohol so you're free to eat some oxalate foods like chicken, beef, fish, most veggies, most fruits and many nuts. You can eat some of the above, but if you eat a lot, your risk goes way higher. Since you need to eat and most foods have oxalates, better to cut the alcohol so you can eat normal foods more often."
03/26/2013: Darlam68 from Rancho Mirage, Ca: "I have a question as to how much of the remedies do I consume as far and measurements of the ingredients? This is all soo much great information, and I am so thankful to finally come across this site! And I really want to start on the remedies right away, I dont have health care insurance and the medical care I do have is county funded so its not that I'm getting care, which I'mnot really getting anywhere with this, and I do have the symptoms of kidney stones, for about well a month and a half now and still the dr isnt sure wat it is and I try to explain it to the dr but all he had to ask me was have I ever suffered from depression? seriously? I know I'm not depressed, I'm just in pain! And I am watching what I eat and I drink alot of water and I am in the bathroom at least every 15 to 30 minutes..... So I thank god for this site and to all of you for sharing this information! Bless you all!"
02/28/2014: Kara from Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada.: "I have kidney stones and gallstones. Are these safe for both? Sorry First timer here, I just dont want to get surgery for something that can be fixed at home."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "You shouldn't need to have surgery for kidney stones and gallstones. There are all sorts of remedies and products out there that can remove gallstones and kidney stones."
Sat, 01 Mar 14 01:46:19 -0600
RepliesEC: Yes, and don't forget about the growth hormones that they feed to cattle and chickens to plump them up! Growth hormones are reported to improve weight gain in cattle by 5 to 20%.
04/17/2009: Qwerty : "Should point out that Japan has the highest consumption of Soya Beans / Soy related products and they dont have any historical data indicating early onset of puberty."
04/17/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn: "To Lindsa who is concerned over soy products causing early puberty:
Hello Lindsa,
I have read (don't remember what in or how long ago) that fluorescent lights causes early puberty. I haven't read anything to refute it since, but since our culture is working on saving electricity by going all fluorescent, we may observe for ourselves whether early pubery gets more rampant, as our old light bulbs disappear.
I also remember reading something more recent blaming dizziness or loss of equiliibrium on fluorescent lighting. Haven't seen anyone refuting it either."
05/12/2009: Mom2_3 from Baltimore, Maryland: "Joyce from TN: Where did you get all your info on fluorescent lighting? I have heard that it is bad for your immune system...can you please help me find more info?"
02/28/2014: Deonna from Cupertino, Ca: "I was horified when my daughter started developing breast buds at 7 years old. I took her to her peditrician and she recommended an ORGANIC DIET to slow down the process. Organic milk products and organic meat (especially chicken), avoid all fast food, and avoid lavender and tea tree oil products, and tofu (unless organic). I started this immediately and within 6 months, the breast buds went away. This seems to be slowing down the process, although it won't make it stop completely."
03/01/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Deonna: Adding cruciferous vegies like Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, and Cabbage should help considerably if eaten often enough. An extract compound DIM of these vegies will definitely ensure the proper detox & metabolic pathways to prevent this problem. A good health food store multivitamin/mineral supplement will also help. For a good basic multi otc I find the Nature Made brand effective."
Sat, 01 Mar 14 01:36:27 -0600
02/28/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Man from Sojourning,I am wondering if you are using anything on your hands that is irritating them? From this post, you mention the skin getting thinner and more sensitive...in another recent post of yours, you mention some cuts on your hands that are not healing...I have a few thoughts/questions...
Do you use anything on your hands that might have a steroid in it? (I believe topical steroids can cause the skin to thin.)
Do you use anti-bacterial soap on your hands or hand sanitizer?
Do you work with any type of chemicals or anything that could be irritating your hands?
My husband used to have something similar happen to him each winter. He would get splits in the skin on his fingers. Oddly, that was back when he had a desk job. Now he works with his hands all the time, often outdoors and this doesn't happen to him any more. It makes me think it could be related to his diet. I would have expected the desk job to be easier on his hands and that if he were going to have problems, he would have them now. But I am just starting to think about this and am just in the speculation stage.
You mention using coconut oil and cocoa butter oil, I am assuming you mean on your hands? I would consider using coconut oil in your diet, if you are not already. I have found Borage Oil, taken internally to help with skin problems that are not healing. Turmeric, also, 4 capsules a couple of times a day helps my skin to heal much more quickly.
By the way, I am appreciating your thoughts and experiments on DMSO. Thanks for sharing!
~Mama to Many~"
03/01/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Vit-A or (Cod Liver Oil) and/or Vit-E (Mixed Natural) taken orally and/or applied topically will toughen the skin very well."
03/01/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Man: Ingredients need to be organic. Mash 1 small ripe banana, add 2 tbsp. sour cream, 1 tbsp. raw honey, 1 tsp. colostrum, and 1 tbsp. whole oat flour. Mix and apply. Leave on for 30 minutes. Wash off and apply jojoba and cold pressed rose hip seed oil. To heal from the inside drink several green smoothies from organic baby leaves."
03/04/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "I just finished posting to the "Oil Pulling-DMSO" section but I wanted to report back to this one now that I found it again.
My fingers have healed up perfectly.For several days I while I was sitting at computer I sprayed by finger tips with hydrogen peroxide and the bubbled up really much on under the fingernails and it stung. It was painful to spray H2O2. Then, I took pure DMSO and put it on them. And then I sprayed Capsicum extracted in alcohol on them. It was not the most pleasant treatment because I had to watch very carefully what I touched while I was treating my finger tips.
I did that for a few days.
There may have been some kind of an infection there and it seems it started after I ate some pasta that was given to me by an acquaintance.
I am thinking that my blood sugar bounced for a day or two and as a result my immune system got weak and the skin ( being the main organ in the body) showed signs of weakness. That is a thought, it is not a proven fact because I am not a scientist and I have no evidence other than what I can gather from study.
All these little tidbits of information from places like Russell Blaylock (youtube) and Dr. Mercola and right here at the Earth Clinic start falling into place.All I have done is "Oil Pull" with DMSO and also Coconut oil.
I have taken fish oil and several grams of Vitamin C and Magnesium and Vitamin B complex. I have also been drinking a glass of distilled water with about a half a tablespoon of cayenne stirred into it. It seems to activate the entire system.
That is what I had available to me, so that is what I did.
To Mama: The chemicals I used in occupation were Acetone, Metha lEthal Ketones, Metal isobutal ketone, etc. Methylene Chloride.... these were paint stripper chemicals and I used no gloves in my younger days. And this is several years ago that I quit. I will likely have to be very careful to eat right and do the right thing from now on.
To Kt: Yeah, I do think there is a connection between MSG and food chemicals. I did eat several servings of a canned noodle thing and then I was sick for 2 days and then this problem began. My energy level bounced around and my feeling of well being bounced around.
I am beginning to believe that there is a direct connection between the food chemicals like MSG and the affect on blood sugar stability ( And Dr. Russell Blaylock also in his videos on You Tube points out the direct relation ship between diet and health).
Blood sugar stability may have more impact on good health than is published or commonly known. I already know that I can't eat pasta without feeling bad. When I ate at my acquaintance's food that was offered to me I knew that it would have a negative affect on me. And she knew I am diabetic and still offered it to me. (some people will never learn and the Bible says there are "Silly women laden with sins ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".
I also think that there may be something to do with gluten also in this because I noticed some months ago that when I ate cheap spaghetti that I felt really bad physically and mentally. So I gave away the rest of my spaghetti.To timh and Mike62 from Denver: I appreciate your input also.
Onward. The entire system from the head to the toe are connected in ways that I do not understand and I am not going to pretend that I do. Why do my finger tips feel so strong right now where as just a short time ago they were weak and in pain? What exactly did I do? I don't know, but I have been posting what I do and I have not hid my beliefs nor have I hid my faith in God."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 23:17:07 -0600
I am wondering if you are using anything on your hands that is irritating them? From this post, you mention the skin getting thinner and more sensitive...in another recent post of yours, you mention some cuts on your hands that are not healing...I have a few thoughts/questions...
Do you use anything on your hands that might have a steroid in it? (I believe topical steroids can cause the skin to thin.)
Do you use anti-bacterial soap on your hands or hand sanitizer?
Do you work with any type of chemicals or anything that could be irritating your hands?
My husband used to have something similar happen to him each winter. He would get splits in the skin on his fingers. Oddly, that was back when he had a desk job. Now he works with his hands all the time, often outdoors and this doesn't happen to him any more. It makes me think it could be related to his diet. I would have expected the desk job to be easier on his hands and that if he were going to have problems, he would have them now. But I am just starting to think about this and am just in the speculation stage.
You mention using coconut oil and cocoa butter oil, I am assuming you mean on your hands? I would consider using coconut oil in your diet, if you are not already. I have found Borage Oil, taken internally to help with skin problems that are not healing. Turmeric, also, 4 capsules a couple of times a day helps my skin to heal much more quickly.
By the way, I am appreciating your thoughts and experiments on DMSO. Thanks for sharing!
~Mama to Many~"
02/28/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Man from Sojourning,I am wondering if you are using anything on your hands that is irritating them? From this post, you mention the skin getting thinner and more sensitive...in another recent post of yours, you mention some cuts on your hands that are not healing...I have a few thoughts/questions...
Do you use anything on your hands that might have a steroid in it? (I believe topical steroids can cause the skin to thin.)
Do you use anti-bacterial soap on your hands or hand sanitizer?
Do you work with any type of chemicals or anything that could be irritating your hands?
My husband used to have something similar happen to him each winter. He would get splits in the skin on his fingers. Oddly, that was back when he had a desk job. Now he works with his hands all the time, often outdoors and this doesn't happen to him any more. It makes me think it could be related to his diet. I would have expected the desk job to be easier on his hands and that if he were going to have problems, he would have them now. But I am just starting to think about this and am just in the speculation stage.
You mention using coconut oil and cocoa butter oil, I am assuming you mean on your hands? I would consider using coconut oil in your diet, if you are not already. I have found Borage Oil, taken internally to help with skin problems that are not healing. Turmeric, also, 4 capsules a couple of times a day helps my skin to heal much more quickly.
By the way, I am appreciating your thoughts and experiments on DMSO. Thanks for sharing!
~Mama to Many~"
03/01/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Vit-A or (Cod Liver Oil) and/or Vit-E (Mixed Natural) taken orally and/or applied topically will toughen the skin very well."
03/01/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Man: Ingredients need to be organic. Mash 1 small ripe banana, add 2 tbsp. sour cream, 1 tbsp. raw honey, 1 tsp. colostrum, and 1 tbsp. whole oat flour. Mix and apply. Leave on for 30 minutes. Wash off and apply jojoba and cold pressed rose hip seed oil. To heal from the inside drink several green smoothies from organic baby leaves."
03/04/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "I just finished posting to the "Oil Pulling-DMSO" section but I wanted to report back to this one now that I found it again.
My fingers have healed up perfectly.For several days I while I was sitting at computer I sprayed by finger tips with hydrogen peroxide and the bubbled up really much on under the fingernails and it stung. It was painful to spray H2O2. Then, I took pure DMSO and put it on them. And then I sprayed Capsicum extracted in alcohol on them. It was not the most pleasant treatment because I had to watch very carefully what I touched while I was treating my finger tips.
I did that for a few days.
There may have been some kind of an infection there and it seems it started after I ate some pasta that was given to me by an acquaintance.
I am thinking that my blood sugar bounced for a day or two and as a result my immune system got weak and the skin ( being the main organ in the body) showed signs of weakness. That is a thought, it is not a proven fact because I am not a scientist and I have no evidence other than what I can gather from study.
All these little tidbits of information from places like Russell Blaylock (youtube) and Dr. Mercola and right here at the Earth Clinic start falling into place.All I have done is "Oil Pull" with DMSO and also Coconut oil.
I have taken fish oil and several grams of Vitamin C and Magnesium and Vitamin B complex. I have also been drinking a glass of distilled water with about a half a tablespoon of cayenne stirred into it. It seems to activate the entire system.
That is what I had available to me, so that is what I did.
To Mama: The chemicals I used in occupation were Acetone, Metha lEthal Ketones, Metal isobutal ketone, etc. Methylene Chloride.... these were paint stripper chemicals and I used no gloves in my younger days. And this is several years ago that I quit. I will likely have to be very careful to eat right and do the right thing from now on.
To Kt: Yeah, I do think there is a connection between MSG and food chemicals. I did eat several servings of a canned noodle thing and then I was sick for 2 days and then this problem began. My energy level bounced around and my feeling of well being bounced around.
I am beginning to believe that there is a direct connection between the food chemicals like MSG and the affect on blood sugar stability ( And Dr. Russell Blaylock also in his videos on You Tube points out the direct relation ship between diet and health).
Blood sugar stability may have more impact on good health than is published or commonly known. I already know that I can't eat pasta without feeling bad. When I ate at my acquaintance's food that was offered to me I knew that it would have a negative affect on me. And she knew I am diabetic and still offered it to me. (some people will never learn and the Bible says there are "Silly women laden with sins ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".
I also think that there may be something to do with gluten also in this because I noticed some months ago that when I ate cheap spaghetti that I felt really bad physically and mentally. So I gave away the rest of my spaghetti.To timh and Mike62 from Denver: I appreciate your input also.
Onward. The entire system from the head to the toe are connected in ways that I do not understand and I am not going to pretend that I do. Why do my finger tips feel so strong right now where as just a short time ago they were weak and in pain? What exactly did I do? I don't know, but I have been posting what I do and I have not hid my beliefs nor have I hid my faith in God."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 22:22:13 -0600
I have not had trouble with castor oil causing any type of skin outbreak on me or my family members. We have used it on faces, necks, backs, feet, etc, with no problem. When I use it on my face, sometimes I put a few drops of Rosemary Essential Oil into it (a few drops in an ounce of Castor Oil.) But lately I have just used it plain. (At first I had added the Rosemary because I didn't care for the smell of castor oil, but I guess now I am used to it.) Sometimes I mix castor oil into homemade salves or oil blends for various purposes...I have mixed it with olive oil, coconut oil, and/or almond oil. I have always been happy with castor oil however I have used it.
I hope it will work well for what you need, as well.
~Mama to Many~"
[YEA] 09/10/2010: Hazelnut from Phoenix, Az, Usa: "I absolutely agree that castor oil is great for Beautiful skin... I started using castor oil on my face every night after bath 1 week ago and today only 7 days later my face somehow looks at least 5 years younger and flawless and more toned... I am thankful for Earth Clinic or I never would have tried castor oil on my face.... From Hazelnut"
[YEA] 09/12/2010: Tina from Princeton, New Jersey: "I agree that castor oil is an amazing face oil. I have been using it as a night-time treatment for nearly two months now. I use a tiny amount which I thin down with a few drops of almond oil which makes it easier to pat onto the skin, since castor oil has a thick consistency. I have also noticed that my eyelashes are growing longer!"
10/05/2010: Christelle from Windhoek, Namibia: "Will this caster oil not give you blackheads?"
[YEA] 06/11/2011: Len from Seattle, Wa: "No--the castor oil will not clog your pores. In fact, it has made my pores clearer and smaller. I was very leery about using an oil on my face (I thought I'd break out terribly) but after the first application, I realized that it helped get rid of any blemishes or inflammations not caused them. And I have less clogged pores."
02/26/2014: Paula2613 from Azusa,ca: "What name brand are you ladies using? I have melasma on my forehead n cheeks n would like to start this castor oil treatment. Thank you, Paula"
02/26/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Paula,I have used Heritage Store and Home Health castor oil. Both are cold pressed. I have been happy with them. Now sells one that is expeller pressed. A little goes a long way! Hope you find it helpful. I love castor oil and have used it for many things.
~Mama to Many~"
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "To Mama To Many: Hi, does the castor oil make you break out? Do you mix it with anything? Thanks"
02/28/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Mary,I have not had trouble with castor oil causing any type of skin outbreak on me or my family members. We have used it on faces, necks, backs, feet, etc, with no problem. When I use it on my face, sometimes I put a few drops of Rosemary Essential Oil into it (a few drops in an ounce of Castor Oil.) But lately I have just used it plain. (At first I had added the Rosemary because I didn't care for the smell of castor oil, but I guess now I am used to it.) Sometimes I mix castor oil into homemade salves or oil blends for various purposes...I have mixed it with olive oil, coconut oil, and/or almond oil. I have always been happy with castor oil however I have used it.
I hope it will work well for what you need, as well.
~Mama to Many~"
Fri, 28 Feb 14 21:26:40 -0600
Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Fri, 28 Feb 14 21:22:47 -0600
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Skin on Fingers Getting Thin and Sensitive
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Long story short, borax bonds with the pollutants in tap/purified water and you then no longer have borax but now some other compound. It is useless for detoxing. Pollutants removed in distilled water which allows for the introduction of pure borax into the body where it will be able to bind with toxic metals and such.
Hope this helps!!!"
I have glaucoma, floaters in the left eye which has recently become blurrier and there is some vision loss, h pylori, GERD, sliding hiatal hernia, insomnia, etc. I am also petite, older woman weighing less than 100 lbs in weight.
I work and carry my brita filtered chlorinated free (keep water in open container for 12 hours) in Nalgene (made in USA) plastic container. I use this water to take Lugol with ACV, vitamins C, glycine, other vitamins, minerals and Diamateous Earth.
I intend to start the Borax regimen as per instructions on this site but will use less than 1/8 tsp because of my body weight and have the following questions:
- Can I use my Nalgene container to carry the 1 litre borax water?
- Can I use this water as any ordinary water, e.g., to take my lugol, vitamins, minerals, Diamateous Earth, Clay, etc.?
- Can I boil this water and add turmeric, black pepper, salt, lime, etc. ? Will the borax in water react?
I do not know how the Earth Clinic works, how can I find my post and any responses?
Thank you very much for any suggestions. Sherry"
09/19/2013: Mike from Denver, Colorado: "Sherry: Most of the time you can mix various substances together because they are natural. Every day I mix 12 substances, including borax, together in some water and sip on that every hour. To be absolutely sure you can take borax alone."
01/17/2014: Doddie from Georgia, Usa: "I would like to know why it is suggested to use distilled water to make borax drinking water because if used with other waters it turns to something else. So my question is.....if purified or tap water is used to make the tea or coffee is it counter productive to add a pinch of borax ? If coffee is made with tap or purified water can a pinch of borax be put in the water before pouring it in the coffee pot?"
02/28/2014: Jdb from South Carolina: "The reason you would not want to use borax with purified/tap water is because Borax is responding as a chelate-meaning it is bonding with metals/minerals that are free. These waters contain them therefore the only thing you would be purifying/detoxing is your tea. It will have very little detoxing effects in the body because it has already bonded with various pollutants in the water. Distilled water is best because ions have been removed therefore allowing borax to exist in its natural composition and unbonded to any trace minerals or metals. This then will allow the borax to attract any toxic metals/minerals (& everything else it can) and escort it out of the body in waste once ingested.Long story short, borax bonds with the pollutants in tap/purified water and you then no longer have borax but now some other compound. It is useless for detoxing. Pollutants removed in distilled water which allows for the introduction of pure borax into the body where it will be able to bind with toxic metals and such.
Hope this helps!!!"
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I used water from a berkey filter + fluoride filter and I did fine. Ted says it is important to take magnesium just to be on safe side because borax needs magnesium to work and it chelates some magnesium out of the body. This could be another reason why it could fail. Distilled water is ideal if you have it available since one minimizes interaction with the substance."
Questions About Oil Pulling Oils
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RepliesEC: Yes, and don't forget about the growth hormones that they feed to cattle and chickens to plump them up! Growth hormones are reported to improve weight gain in cattle by 5 to 20%.
04/17/2009: Qwerty : "Should point out that Japan has the highest consumption of Soya Beans / Soy related products and they dont have any historical data indicating early onset of puberty."
04/17/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn: "To Lindsa who is concerned over soy products causing early puberty:
Hello Lindsa,
I have read (don't remember what in or how long ago) that fluorescent lights causes early puberty. I haven't read anything to refute it since, but since our culture is working on saving electricity by going all fluorescent, we may observe for ourselves whether early pubery gets more rampant, as our old light bulbs disappear.
I also remember reading something more recent blaming dizziness or loss of equiliibrium on fluorescent lighting. Haven't seen anyone refuting it either."
05/12/2009: Mom2_3 from Baltimore, Maryland: "Joyce from TN: Where did you get all your info on fluorescent lighting? I have heard that it is bad for your immune system...can you please help me find more info?"
02/28/2014: Deonna from Cupertino, Ca: "I was horified when my daughter started developing breast buds at 7 years old. I took her to her peditrician and she recommended an ORGANIC DIET to slow down the process. Organic milk products and organic meat (especially chicken), avoid all fast food, and avoid lavender and tea tree oil products, and tofu (unless organic). I started this immediately and within 6 months, the breast buds went away. This seems to be slowing down the process, although it won't make it stop completely."
03/01/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Deonna: Adding cruciferous vegies like Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, and Cabbage should help considerably if eaten often enough. An extract compound DIM of these vegies will definitely ensure the proper detox & metabolic pathways to prevent this problem. A good health food store multivitamin/mineral supplement will also help. For a good basic multi otc I find the Nature Made brand effective."
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07/05/2010: Chris from Miami, Fl: "Beer and wine contains oxolates and will reduce your risk of kidney stones. My wife could not believe the Urologist actually prescribed me to drink as much beer as possible to pass the stone!
As prevention wine and beer along with plenty of water will reduce kidney stone formation."
09/01/2010: No-nonsense from Tucson, Arizona: "Alcohol is your enemy when it comes to kidney stone formation. I also had a urologist recommend beer to pass kidney stones. She, like many urologists, didn't have a clue about nutrition. Yes, beer, like coffee, is a diuretic. But it also dehydrates you and contains oxalates (acid constituent in calcium oxalate kidney stones). If you want to pass a kidney stone, drink A LOT of water (I have passed 8 of them, I know). Always stay hydrated. There is a reason why Arizona is considered the kidney stone capital of the US, namely dehydration. That in combination with consuming chocolate, coffee, alcohol, soy products and other bitter substances (rhubarb, spinach, etc. ). The other danger is sugar. Sugar and artificial sweeteners. They deplete your body's ability to absorb magnesium, which helps make calcium soluble to the body. If you are not absorbing the calcium, then your body eliminates it, which means it passes through your kidneys, thereby increasing the chance of kidney stone formation. Avoid sugars and artificial sweeteners. I had a hard time changing my diet (oh, avoid nuts too), but your long-term health is more important than being able to enjoy a chocolate ice cream with nuts on top."
12/08/2010: Howard from Sarasota, Fl: "Yes, alcohol should be avoided according to any urologist who's up-to-date on research. All alcohol has oxalates, and research has figured out that oxalates are what causes most people's stones. If you have a stone removed thru surgery, or if you pee it out and capture it in a screen (they give you at the hospital but you can probably buy them), they can find out if it's an oxalate stone or not. But most of them are, so you should avoid oxalates as much as reasonable. They are in a lot of foods, and in all alcohol, so best to avoid alcohol so you're free to eat some oxalate foods like chicken, beef, fish, most veggies, most fruits and many nuts. You can eat some of the above, but if you eat a lot, your risk goes way higher. Since you need to eat and most foods have oxalates, better to cut the alcohol so you can eat normal foods more often."
03/26/2013: Darlam68 from Rancho Mirage, Ca: "I have a question as to how much of the remedies do I consume as far and measurements of the ingredients? This is all soo much great information, and I am so thankful to finally come across this site! And I really want to start on the remedies right away, I dont have health care insurance and the medical care I do have is county funded so its not that I'm getting care, which I'mnot really getting anywhere with this, and I do have the symptoms of kidney stones, for about well a month and a half now and still the dr isnt sure wat it is and I try to explain it to the dr but all he had to ask me was have I ever suffered from depression? seriously? I know I'm not depressed, I'm just in pain! And I am watching what I eat and I drink alot of water and I am in the bathroom at least every 15 to 30 minutes..... So I thank god for this site and to all of you for sharing this information! Bless you all!"
02/28/2014: Kara from Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada.: "I have kidney stones and gallstones. Are these safe for both? Sorry First timer here, I just dont want to get surgery for something that can be fixed at home."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "You shouldn't need to have surgery for kidney stones and gallstones. There are all sorts of remedies and products out there that can remove gallstones and kidney stones."
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This man has a two year old autistic son who is on the MMS and turps protocol(1/4 tspn a day with breaks). He contacted me two months ago and said that, according to his ATEC scores, his son's autism problems had resolved by 80%. At this point he found that there was not much more progress using the MMS protocol -- in other words that the curative effects of MMS had plateaued. Then he began the turps protocol in combination with MMS, resulting in a sudden and much larger discharge of parasites and candida biofilms found in the stools. The discharge of parasites is reduced now, but the biofilms found in his son's stools are still apparent. The father is mainly using the oral turps protocol now. A ways to go yet but his son continues to regularly improve.
I believe that the reason MMS didn't fully recover his child from autism(and the reason for plateauing) was because MMS does not effectively remove biofilms from the intestines where both candida and other bacteria can hide. The presence of more killed parasites and biofilms in the stool when turpentine was used was also confirmatory evidence for me that turps both kills parasites and removes biofilms very effectively. It also effectively confirmed the safety of using the turpentine protocol on a two year old child(and other children). There appears to be no adverse affects on the liver when turpentine is supplemented sensibly. The only problems are the Herx reactions from the candida, bacteria and parasite toxins -- causing wooziness, drowsiness and occasionally mylagia pain or intestinal problems for the child. The side-effects of using MMS appear to be nausea, vomiting and headaches(similar to hydrogen peroxide use). I have also been helping both the father and the mother of this autistic child who both also have serious candida issues. They've had no end of Herx trouble using lugol's iodine, alkalizing and turpentine. This Herx problem with iodine and turps is typical in the West where poor processed food is eaten every day(they live in the America). It is the bain of our modern society.
I must also state that I have much respect for the protocol used and advised by Kerri Rivera. Her only intention is to help cure autistic children. She so far claims to have cured over 100 autistic children using her protocol which a wonderful record. But when I read her autobiography, I noted that her own autistic son, who has been on her protocol for ten years, is still not fully cured yet. That's why I believe that the one missing link in her protocol is turpentine because turps removes biofilms efficiently and fast. Her protocol does not address the biofilm factor in autism even though there is ample evidence for the truth of this in Dr William Shaw's wide research on candida, autism and other autism spectrum disorders."
Mr Prakash has generously allowed me to describe how successful he has been in curing his own son of parasites, candida and Autism.
Briefly, the initial protocol he followed was the MMS/CDS protocol(Miracle Mineral Solution -- Chlorine Dioxide protocol) as used by Kerri Rivera. He used this protocol for a couple of months and achieved an 80% improvement in the cognitive abilities of his own son who is autistic. But Mr Prakash told me that the effects of the MMS protocol then plateaued and he could not get any further improvement with his son which is why he contacted me because he had read my book on and he wanted advice on turpentine. With using just the MMS/CDS protocol there would always be parasites etc in the stool -- his child's stool was never really completely clear of parasites despite the improvement. So I advised that the turpentine protocol would also kill parasites/candida and would be much more efficient at removing candida biofilms.
He also contacted Walter Last, a well respected healer, who sent him a protocol for his son which included Iodine, Borax and turpentine or kerosene. I also advised that he should now stop the MMS protocol and just concentrate on using Walter Last's advised protocol which is a solid protocol for a child with few side-effects. Here is Walter Last's protocol and advice against parasites and candida:
* Make a jar of the following mix. You can use any kind of liquid, like water, cold or warm herbal tea, very diluted vegetable juice with a little bit of apple added for taste. Combine the chosen liquid with 1 tbsp of the borax concentrated solution, to this add a 1/3 tsp (1 gram) of Sodium ascorbate, ? tsp (2 grams )each of MSM, L-glutamine and Sodium bicarbonate. You may add a tsp of glycerine to sweeten it. Nirekh needs to sip this throughout the day. Alternatively, it can be mixed with food or drink.
* Start with a much smaller amount and gradually over 2 weeks increase to the full dose. If any reactions or problems arise with this cut back again to a small amount and then gradually increase again.
* 1 drop of Lugols’ solution in food or drink in the morning. A low-level B complex vitamin tablet crushed up and mixed with several meals during the day. It can also be added to the above drink. 3 x a day rub the abdomen with diluted DMSO (50%). You can continue periodically with MMS/CDS, but best to give it a rest for a while. Borax is excellent against parasites.
* Start using kerosene with 1 drop and gradually increase to half a tsp once a day. A suitable low-odour product in the US is Klean-Strip 1 Kerosene, see www.wmbarr.com/product.aspx?catid=35&prodid=71; you can get it at Wal-Mart and various hardware stores. It is easiest to take after coating the tongue with molasses, and taking it diluted half and half with olive oil. Eat something afterwards. The same for gum turpentine which may be used once or twice a week instead of kerosene.
The mother, and most likely the whole family, might have Candida problems. It would be recommended, especially for the mother, that some antimicrobial treatment to be implemented as well. Adults may take higher doses of the recommended remedies.
Mr Prakash contacted me because I use the turpentine protocol in my book against candida. He read about this in my book and wanted advice. He ended up giving his son 1/2 teaspoon turpentine a day. He has only been giving his son this amount for 3 weeks.
He has further reported that for the first week on the turpentine protocol there was an extremely large sudden discharge of worms/parasites -- larger than normal. He also mentioned that other strange stuff came out with his son's poop (which did not occur with the MMS protocol). Mr Prakash was sure that this stuff was candida biofilms. Then, in the third week of the turpentine protocol -- the child's poop had no parasites or strange discharges -- just normal poop.
For any doubters, Mr Prakash also sent me over 30 photos of his son's poop. In one photo there was a ropeworm which was over 20 inches long. He also sent me a video of his autistic son as he is now. The child was happily playing with toys, plenty of energy, no pain, he wasn't shy or withdrawn and there was plenty of eye contact -- just like a normal 2 year old boy. Mr Prakash is thoroughly convinced that this acceleration in improvement of his son's health is mainly due to the effects of MMS and turpentine. He continues using just the turpentine protocol now (with breaks) as well as Walter Last's protocol for his son.
This wonderful news and evidence also further demonstrates and proves to me that both parasites and candida are key causative factors for serious diseases like Autism. Another fact -- Mr Praksh's son was given large amounts of anti-biotics at birth -- anti-biotics are, perhaps, the top major cause of candida infections today.
So to help cure autism -- just use a protocol that removes parasites and candida efficiently and successfully and you will have vast improvement if not a complete cure from Autism.
I've reported this testimonial not just to further highlight the benefits of pure gum spirits of turpentine but also as further proof of safety with its proper use."
01/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Bill. The link to this post was finally fixed by EC so I can now view this great success story. You had provided this link for me from our other candida protocol discussion. This leads me to a question about our son. He's 12 years old & suffers from ADHD, Asberger's Syndrome, and low level Tourette Syndrome.Would this protocol be efficient for treating that combination of mental sickness? Our son has been on quite a bit of anti-biotics. We've tried numerous natural approach remedies as well as prescription meds. Nothing to date has helped him. Right now, we don't have him on any meds or natural remedies.
What's your opinion on the best route of treatment for him? I'm already using the turpentine myself so getting him to take it shouldn't be too much a problem since he sees me using it. I know taste will be the biggest problem for him. Thanks again Bill for your time & God Bless!"
01/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hey again Bill! With my health problems I forgot about replying to this a couple weeks ago. Could you please respond back about my question regarding our son? We would like to get him on something. We've tried numerous things without success. Hopefully, with your advise and guidance we can get him turned around. He's getting into a lot of trouble at school and on the verge of being sent to alternative school.We're doing our best with him. We want to use only natural remedies. He's already tried enough prescription meds. We took him off them about 2 years ago. We've tried to deal with his problems by therapy and alternative remedies but they too haven't worked. We just haven't came across the right treatment option(s).
We're believing in God to do that! Turpentine might be the answer for him. I just know how difficult it would be for him to ingest this stuff. He's so picky anyhow with food. Maybe mixing it with juice/food would do the trick. That's if you think turpentine is right choice for his mental health conditions. Thanks again Bill! Have a great day!"
01/24/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Hi Tony...Regarding your son, I think he should be able to take the turpentine protocol for his problems. 1/4 to 1/2 tsp dosage of turpentine with castor oil and sugar/molasses should be fine for him. If he is over 13 y o then he should be able to take the full one teaspoon dose -- but work up to the dose slowly!! I would also watch his stools -- to see if parasites are also present. One thing I have learnt from participating in the Autism group is that when parasites start being killed and coming out then autistic kids not only fell better -- their mental problems and sociability rapidly seem to improve.Another protocol that your son can try which should help to greatly improve his mood, shyness, anger and sociability is just to take higher dose niacinamide(B3) every day in an easy protocol shown here:
Supplement magnesium citrate (250 mgs) twice a day and zinc gluconate(25 mgs) once a day.
At every meal your son should also take:
500 mgs niacinamide
B-Complex vitamins
1000 mgs vitamin C
You can also take an adult dose of 1000 mgs of niacinamide three times a day at meals without problems according to Dr Abram Hoffer.
The above niacinamide protocol is a paired down and simplified version of the main orthomolecular protocol that works to resolve many mental health problems like depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, OCD, CFS, ME and other autism spectrum disorders. The full protocol that is recommended is shown at this link.
This same protocol should also greatly help your wife's condition who you have said has a bipolar disorder. She should also use this niacinamide protocol.
And today I've just read how a daughter cured her 89 year old mother's 6 year old Alzheimer problem by just using higher dose niacinamide, Vitamin A and Coconut Oil. See this link."
01/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Bill for such a quick reply. I had totally let this slip my mind recently about our son. Thanks for posting back.Our son is 12 years old so we'll just start out at 1/4-1/2 tsp. daily. He don't care much for honey. Would it be OK to use the turpentine in some organic apple juice? That would hide the taste of the turpentine for him.
What do parasites look like in stools? I have seen dead yeasts and other pathogens in my own stool with the anti-candida protocol. Heck, there might have even been parasites in my stools before. I don't know exactly what to look for in parasites.
I know what the niacin can do for him. It's helped me tremendously Bill from your protocol for me. I take 1, 000 mg daily in split doses and it's helped my BP and mental clarity & that's only over 1 months time. I'm considering going up to 1, 500 mg daily to help even more with my depression and anxiety. I want off these meds. They're doing me NO GOOD!
My wife has now read your reply and she's excited to see that there's hope for her bipolar disorder as well.
Is it OK for her to use the niacin protocol along with taking the turpentine? Also, should I go with one or the other for our son? In other words, using the niacin protocol and the turpentine in combination or just use the niacin protocol alone? It doesn't hurt to use the turpentine in combo with the niacin protocol, right?
BTW, I had already read that post about a mother being cured of Alzheimer's with niacin, Vit A, & Coconut Oil. Doesn't surprise me at all. Niacin is a help to an awful lot of health problems. A simple vitamin that NO DOCTOR would even think about telling their patients to use.
It's not something they can use their hands to write a prescription for. That's why! Thanks again Bill! Looking forward to your suggestions back to me! God Bless you Bill & may the Lord take care of you in every way!"
01/26/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Hi Tony...You can try mixing turpetine with apple juice for your son if you want, but turpentine wont mix with aqueous solutions very well because it is fat soluble. Which is why I normally recommend using it with castor oil of VCO. However, turpentine would dissolve in milk(contains fats) which is something you could perhaps try.Also, the turpentine should not interfere with any of the nutrients, although -- as has already been mentioned -- it does expel xenobiotics. I use turpentine normally twice a week now as a preventative. I also use higher dose niacin on the same day as using the turpentine, without any problems at all."
01/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Bill for your time and help! I think we'll try the milk mixture for turpentine usage for our son. He drinks milk just about every day so that is probably the best option.Our son isn't on any meds so that's not an issue as for the xenobiotics factor. However my wife is on 5 bipolar meds.. Well, 6 when you include the Maxalt for her migraines. I already have her on magnesium, omega 3's, & Coq10 for headaches. This would be a factor for her. We've discussed here using the turpentine but certainly is small amounts to start off with.
She shouldn't have any problems with the niacin protocol with her meds. I think 1/4 tsp. daily dose for her for a couple weeks is a good start. Should she take the turpentine dose at least a couple hours away from her prescription meds? Thanks again Bill & God Bless!"
01/28/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Hi Tony...As you have said, your wife should take the turpentine dosage well away from her medicines. I would also add the higher dose niacin or niacinamide as well. The niacin(with vitamin B complex) should have quite a positive mental effect."
02/26/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "Hi Bill do you have any more information about the progress of this boy and about the protocols they are using. I have been using turp in the am and MMS enemas and bath in the pm and getting lots of worms out. More energy and feeling really good. I am just wondering if it is safe for my liver. Thanks, Mary"
02/28/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Mary...I'm still involved with the autistic group who are essentially taking MMS, MMS enemas (Dr Volinsky method), the Hulda Clark Parasite Protocol and turpentine. The man who bought my candida book invited me to his autistic group because I was talking about biofilms and turps -- something which is never mentioned in most other protocols against candida and I have been observing and giving advice to him and others from the group on the use of turps as well as lugol's iodine etc. This group have combined the MMS protocols with the turps protocol. They also mostly tend to use an Indian Ayurvedic anti-parasite herb called Vidanga(False Black Pepper) instead of the Hulda Clark Parasite Protocol. This group has broken away from the main MMS group because several people were a little disappointed with their autistic child's progress results using just the MMS on its own as advised and used by Kerri Rivera(who follows Andreas Klacker and Jim Hubble).This man has a two year old autistic son who is on the MMS and turps protocol(1/4 tspn a day with breaks). He contacted me two months ago and said that, according to his ATEC scores, his son's autism problems had resolved by 80%. At this point he found that there was not much more progress using the MMS protocol -- in other words that the curative effects of MMS had plateaued. Then he began the turps protocol in combination with MMS, resulting in a sudden and much larger discharge of parasites and candida biofilms found in the stools. The discharge of parasites is reduced now, but the biofilms found in his son's stools are still apparent. The father is mainly using the oral turps protocol now. A ways to go yet but his son continues to regularly improve.
I believe that the reason MMS didn't fully recover his child from autism(and the reason for plateauing) was because MMS does not effectively remove biofilms from the intestines where both candida and other bacteria can hide. The presence of more killed parasites and biofilms in the stool when turpentine was used was also confirmatory evidence for me that turps both kills parasites and removes biofilms very effectively. It also effectively confirmed the safety of using the turpentine protocol on a two year old child(and other children). There appears to be no adverse affects on the liver when turpentine is supplemented sensibly. The only problems are the Herx reactions from the candida, bacteria and parasite toxins -- causing wooziness, drowsiness and occasionally mylagia pain or intestinal problems for the child. The side-effects of using MMS appear to be nausea, vomiting and headaches(similar to hydrogen peroxide use). I have also been helping both the father and the mother of this autistic child who both also have serious candida issues. They've had no end of Herx trouble using lugol's iodine, alkalizing and turpentine. This Herx problem with iodine and turps is typical in the West where poor processed food is eaten every day(they live in the America). It is the bain of our modern society.
I must also state that I have much respect for the protocol used and advised by Kerri Rivera. Her only intention is to help cure autistic children. She so far claims to have cured over 100 autistic children using her protocol which a wonderful record. But when I read her autobiography, I noted that her own autistic son, who has been on her protocol for ten years, is still not fully cured yet. That's why I believe that the one missing link in her protocol is turpentine because turps removes biofilms efficiently and fast. Her protocol does not address the biofilm factor in autism even though there is ample evidence for the truth of this in Dr William Shaw's wide research on candida, autism and other autism spectrum disorders."
03/01/2014: Ed2010 from Canada: "Hi Bill,Turpentine are you referring to Kerosene or Turpentine obtained from Pine Trees? Good Health"
03/01/2014: Rsw from Uniontown, Oh: "Hi Bill, I can only imagine how grateful the parents of this autistic child must be for your help with his improving condition. I am amazed by the turp success stories but I still have a mental avoidance to ingesting turpentine, just as I had a hard time at first with the borax. I wondered if this supplement contains the active ingredient in turpentine, and could be used initially to see what one's reaction might be? (I omitted the seller info) Thank you for all the information and advice you freely give to this group.Pine Bark Extract capsules:
Powerful Antioxidant People around the world have used pine bark remedies to treat various health problems from coughs to wounds for quite some time. Pine bark extract comes from the bark of the European coastal pine, pinus maritime. The rough bark of this particular pine tree contains a rich source of flavonoids. Recent research suggests that many of the compounds found in pine bark such as oligomeric proanthocyanidin complexes (OPCs) act as a powerful antioxidant in the human body. These OPCs are among the most potent antioxidants existing today and they seem to help cells defend against the damages of free radicals. Free radicals, or oxidants, are unstable molecules with an unpaired (free) electron. Free radicals result when your body is exposed to air pollution, stress, chemicals, radiation, or cigarette smoke. They can even result when food is converted to energy. Unfortunately, these free radicals can build up and over time start attacking normal cells and tissues. When the body has adequate antioxidants, it can defend against these destructive predators. Antioxidants provide the extra electron to neutralize the damaging effect of free radicals. By keeping these oxidants under control, the body is better able to fight off diseases and to recover from injuries. So where do you find the right antioxidants? Pine bark extract, olive polyphenols, RosaEx, Coenzyme Q10, vitamin A, vitamin C, and vitamin E certainly seem to help fend off the damage done by free radicals. Health Benefits In France, both the pine bark extract and OPCs have undergone extensive testing for safety and effectiveness. They have been shown to protect cells from free radical damage and increase the effectiveness of other antioxidants including vitamins A, C, and E and the mineral selenium. Studies have shown that the antioxidant power of OPCs is much stronger than vitamin C and vitamin E. Pine bark extract is one of the few antioxidants capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier to protect brain cells. Further, researchers have found that pine bark extract provides support for heart, circulation, and brain systems. Pine Bark Extract Pine Bark Extract is a complex of bioflavonoid antioxidants, with a standardized concentration of 95% Oligomeric Proanthocyanidins. Each vegetarian capsule contains 60 mg of pine bark extract and an enzyme activation system (Lipase and Amylase) to help with absorption. We used to carry the branded Pycnogenol? French maritime pine bark extract. However, we changed to our Pine Bark Extract and find that people seem to be getting similar results to the Pycnogenol? at a much more reasonable price. Suggested Dosage: For usual adult dosage, Take one capsule daily or as needed. Ingredients: Supplement Facts Serving Size: 1 capsule Amount Per Serving % DV Pine Bark Extract 60 mg * Amylase 20 mg * Lipase 20 mg * Other Ingredients: Rice Flour and Cellulose * Daily Value not established Nothing in this product is of animal origin."
03/01/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Ed2010...You can use either Kerosene or Turpentine in the protocol. Although they have different names they contain the same constituents more or less. I use and describe gum turpentine because its far less complicated than to advise Kerosene. Kerosene goes by other names like paraffin or mineral oil. The main difference between turpentine and kerosene is that turpentine comes directly from pine trees whereas kerosene is generally a distilled derivative of coal or petroleum -- which also arises from the breakdown of plants and trees. If you want to know more about the different forms of kerosene and turpentine then this is a good link:
Fri, 28 Feb 14 14:47:44 -0600
Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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Make the tea by boiling water and adding it to shredded tumeric, shredded ginger, slice of lemon and sprinkle of black pepper. The black pepper maginifys the potency of the tumeric. Let all this sit and stew for about 10 min. I scoop out the bottom shredded stuff after drinking the tea. The tea tastes good!! Works amazing!!
I tried lots of remedies listed on the site but found this to be the best. Tumeric is great for a whole list of things. Research it and you will be amazed!!
Hope this helps someone. I drink the tea every night and it removes any bloating and keeps the SIBO from coming back."
02/09/2013: Juanita from Irvine, Ca: "Hello Patti from Newport Beach Ca.. I have been told I have SIBO. I have taken the breathe test and it came back positive. I saw your remedy on this site and was wondering the exact formula. How much tumeric, shredded ginger? Look forward to you hearing from you. Thanks Juanita"
06/23/2013: Kathy from The Usa: "I would like the amounts too. I would take a heaping 1/4 tsp of turmeric and ginger in some warm water and didn't know this was a reported remedy. I just just took it to reduce inflammation. I was unaware of the information about the pepper so I'm going to add that."
02/28/2014: Kt from Usa: "Thank you, Sj from Eugene, OR: The article is very good. I copied the recipe but, for me, I had already reduced the ginger to about half the amount of turmeric used. That seemed to help lower my "hot spells"."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 12:28:45 -0600
Baldev"
I have some questions concerns aboat DMSO mixed with lemon juice. ever since first reading the book DMSO Natures Healer, and reading hundreds of personal testimonials I started to take 99.99% DMSO on and off over the years. I take it both topically and internally, making sure to dilute it down to 70% or less. I take it to try and relieve the aches and pains of life...surfing and rock climbing. As prevention to the calcification that comes with aging. I take it because I completely trust and believe in it's curative powers and health benefits.
Aboat two weeks ago I topically applied a mixture of DMSO 70% with fresh squeezed lemon juice, fresh aloe Vera pulp, and magnesium chloride oil to my head, face, neck back, chest and stomach. Then the next day, I had severe shooting pains in my stomach in the large colon area. Excuse me for being so graphic...lots of diarrhea, gas and the need to go to defecate many times a day. But I have no acid reflux. And otherwise my body feels great. This has been going on now for the last two weeks. I am concerned because I have never had any stomach problems in the past. I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, feeling strong and healthy with lots of energy. my digestion has always been good and regular. I eat very well, try and keep well hydrated and most importantly try to feed my mind positivity, love and kindness.
My question is ...what is going on down inside of my guts? I spent the last year in south east Asia, and six months in India. But I had no health issues. I didn't get sick. I am thinking that it may be the result of adding the lemon juice. I say that only because I have never added lemon juice to the equation topically. I have in the past ingested DMSO with MMS and lemon juice and or citric acid but I have never applied it topically. And also I have in the past practically bathed my whole body in DMSO from head to foot, with no negative side effects. So I am thinking that maybe the combination is awaking and or battling parasites or worms that I wasn't even aware of having. maybe all this funkiness is my colon cleaning itself out. But I have done several colon cleanses over the years and experimented with all kinds of natural medicines and cures. I don't know. I can't help but be concerned that maybe it was not a good idea to put this combination directly over my belly. I am concerned that maybe the pure undigested lemon juice, is burning my colon.
I will be doing a "complete dry fast" no water, no food over the coming weekend. I am curious to see if it will help to resolve or at least alleviate my upset belly.
If anyone has any thoughts aboat this. Questions and or comments, I would really appreciate it.
I am a big advocate of DMSO and MMS ...as well as fresh squeezed lemon juice ....yummm. I drink it every day.
Again thanks to everyone. Thank you Ted. Thank you Earth Clinic
all my best to everyone......Justin"
02/13/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Justin,I, too, am a DMSO advocate and use it regularly as you use it topically and internally and have done so "off and on" as you said.
While it's natural to think of "association" as "causation" .... my first take on your reaction is that the cause is not...NOT.... the DMSO combo. It just so happened that a case of Montezuma's revenge hit you at about the same time that you took the DMSO combo.
As evidence, if the DMSO were the cause, you would have been over it in a day or two. But the fact that you continue to suffer tells me you have a very bad case of bacterially induced gastro infection.
And you're living in Mexico. I visited Albania/Romania a year ago and had read in the autobiography "MD" which is the life of a parasitalogist that Montezuma's is actually world wide and can be caused by bacteria and virus. There is a lot around the Mediterranean as well as Latin America. Well, it hit me in a big way, but I was expecting it....never felt anything like it before; like a fist in my stomach and I went straight to my Apple Cider Vinegar ..... and bought more a few days later. Avoided the huge consequences, but barely.
Maybe I'm wrong...and I look forward to see what others say. But a die off? I don't think so.
Get on ACV asap... two tablespoons in glass of water...drink over an hour...repeat two hours later. See if that improves and if so, you will know the cause was pathogens and not DMSO.
PS....I have NEVER had any adverse reaction with DMSO...and taken it for decades."
02/13/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Justin, I think you delivered a huge shot of magnesium to your body. DMSO plus magnesium plus large amount of body coverage. It's possible the magnesium is causing the gas and diarrhea. For two weeks--seems like a long time--but it was probably a lot of magnesium! Nothing to worry about--it is pretty benign."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello to Dave at Fountain Inn.Thanks so much for yor response. Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I just broke my first fast- a 72 hour dry fast. Wow. That was by far one of the most intense experiences that I have ever willingly put myself through. Especially because for the last two weeks my bowels were totally out of wack and having so much diarea. I think I went into the fast very much dehydrated. Then on top of that I am and always have been very thin with probably -50 % body fat. So I immediately turned into a living skeleton. That is why I didn't continue. I was in fact feeling really good. No healing reactions to speak of. actually I had a surprising amount of mental and physical energy. at times I felt like I was flying. And my bowels feel much better, having given them a vacation. But in the end I just let myself be consumed by fantasies of water, flowing rivers and pools of sweet colorful juice. I was living always just out of reach of the most mouth life saving mirage. And finally on the third night when I first looked at myself in the mirror I was shocked to see the grissle I had reduced myself too. I was thinking to continue fasting but I was concerned that if I passed through another night I just may disappear all together.
Now I am two days into breaking the fast. Slowly slowly. chewing my water and fresh coconut water. Yesterday I drank a the juice of the most heavenly watermelon. Today more water, coconut water and maybe some mango juice. mmmm I can't wait.
you may be right Dave aboat the Montezuma's Revenge. I have never had it before so it very well could be that. last month I inquired at a few "naturista" - health food/ supplement stores for ACV. I thought maybe I could get the good organic stuff, but they didn't have it. I was told that I could find it in the supermarket. Would definitely prefer the organic. Man that stuff is delicious. Now after spending more time on this Earth Clinic web site, I have read aboat how many people are using ACV for everything under the sun. So I will definitely try to get my hands on some.
That's cool that your were in Romania and Albania. Man I have wanted to check out Romania and that part of the world for quite some time. I hope to get over to Europe this summer to walk El Camino de Santiago. Then after was thinking that I could slowly make my way over to Macedonia and then maybe Bulgaria and then possibly winter over in Romania....hahaha, wouldn't that be nice and bone chilling. then pass the spring somewhere in Albania. Yes it is a very nice "what if" journey. I know one could spend a life time exploring each one of those countries, so maybe I'll make it to Macedonia and never leave.
Cool man. hey thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it. And like I said I am a big fan of DMSO. I am very curious to personally witness her healing powers in the future. If I may ask, why have you been using DMSO?
Yes this is a wonderful site. It feels like a community with concerned people trying to help each other out....such a beautiful thing. I spent a considerable amount of time reading aboat peoples personal testimonials using all kinds of treatments. most recently I have been reading all that I can on the uses of Turpentine for healing. I always thought it was poison but I see know that I was wrong. So I would love to get my hands on the purest Turpentine. As well as Fulvic acid/ Shilagit.....Nascent Iodine, Ormus. The list goes on.
Ok Dave, all the very best to you.....Justin"
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Nanowriter from Hotspot Texas,Thanks for your reply concerning whether or not I funked my stomach up with the lemon juice/ DMSO combination. And sorry aboat not responding sooner.
Yes you maybe right aboat the dose of transdermal magnesium. I have not been using it for very long. Several times I have given my body a very lite all over with it mixed with DMSO and had no adverse reactions. But yes it could very well be as you've said.
I recently just did a three day dry fast. No food no water. I feel like my entire being just went through the fire so to speak. So I will see, now that I am drinking water and juice for the next few days how my guts respond.
Yes as you said it isn't anything to serious. All is good.
Alright then, I wish you a wonderful day and many days to come....justin"
02/21/2014: Dave from Foun Tain Inn, Sc: "Hello Justin, I use DMSO anytime I want to carry a substance through skin...like colloidal silver. On the subject of ACV, you can use the kind you buy in grocery store. I have used both kinds...And grocery store works also...Normally use organic but either works...at least for me to kill infections."
02/21/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi, my question is to all who have taken DMSO internally and Bill / Ted if they too have tried internally. Has any body noticed it's effect on the blood pressure, whether it lowers it or it tends to increase it. I would like to know it's effect on systolic as well as diastolic blood pressure. My view is, it should help in high BP to reduce it. Kindly those who are taking DMSO internally for other reasons, please monitor your blood pressure and revert back with your experience. it will help many others the use of DMSO. Thanks.Baldev"
[YEA] 02/27/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "Directed to Justin from Mexico.I don't think there is a connection between the DMSO and Lemon juice and what you have experienced and described here. I have done some pretty crazy stuff with DMSO and I have not experienced anything like what you have described as a result. From my experience DMSO does nothing but good and positive things for the body of the man. It is a non synthetic product, I.e. not made by man. I've taken DMSO with water and vitamins, and Omega 3 fats and magnesium and cayenne extract and glycerine and I've had it before and after drinking apple cider vinegar (Malic acid). And I am not done experimenting. I have tried one (1) ounce of 99.99 pure DMSO in 20 ounces of distilled water twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the after noon. I have consumed about 2 quarts of pure DMSO since I began posting here and I haven't been posting here for that long."
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "Man from Sojouring America: Hi, would you mind sharing the results of all of your DMSO experiments?I would love to hear and compare. For example, one night I took a table spoon mixed in some water and made me have such a relaxed sleep!!!!"
02/28/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi, So many of you have been using DMSO internally and I have requested all of you to give your feed back as to how does it effect the blood pressure. I request all of you to kindly monitor your BP and let us know it's effect on systolic and diastolic blood pressure. ThanksBaldev"
03/02/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Baldev...It's very timely that you have asked about DMSO's effect on blood pressure. For the last 3 days I have been experimenting with supplementing just one teaspoon of 100% DMSO on its own(outside mealtimes) per day with a glass of water. Out of interest, I have been measuring my BP every day with a wrist monitor. My normal blood pressure is 110/70. After I started taking the DMSO I found that my BP didn't vary at all from my normal readings. I measured my BP about an hour after taking the DMSO. I am also going to try adding lugol's iodine and other nutrients individually to the oral DMSO to see its effects on my body.It's well known that Dr Stanley Jacobs, who is the guru on the use of DMSO since the 70s, has been taking one teaspoon of DMSO everyday with a glass of water for decades. He maintains that DMSO is one of the best antioxidants on the planet. DMSO also contains sulfur which is anti-aging and acts as an efficient detoxer for the body. When it is oxidized, DMSO becomes MSM(also known as DMSO2 or methylsufonylmethane) another highly useful nutrient for the body. The FDA, the drugs companies and the medical profession all hate DMSO's unique and highly useful transdermal carrier properties. After all, if you could use something like DMSO to deliver drugs and nutrients directly through the skin and into the blood -- then people could easily doctor themselves at home very cheaply because this would make the necessity for injections redundant -- just think of the money stream lost from the medical profession because of this. And that's only one very good reason to use DMSO."
03/02/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi Bill, Thanks a lot for the prompt reply and congratulations for having 110/70 as your normal BP. Don't you think that the body's defense system may not allow DMSO to bring the BP further down, where as if the BP readings were say 180/100, it would bring it to 150/90, just my guess. Kindly comment on this when ever you get an opportunity to use it on some one who has high BP. My feeling is DMSO must help in bringing the BP down and it is a better bet then taking beta blockers or any other medication. ThanksBaldev"
03/04/2014: Bill from San Fernado, Philippines: "Hi Baldev...Unfortunately, I have not read any actual research of DMSO being used to bring down blood pressure but I have found testimonials that seems to confirm that it can help to lower higher blood pressure. There is research here which seems to suggest that DMSO is particularly good at reducing spinal pressure and high blood pressure in the brain after injury -- this is mainly due to DMSO's ability to open up blood vessels. It is also a strong antioxidant. Its most key and unique feature is as a transdermal carrier of nutrients (which are not normally well absorbed by the skin) from the skin directly into the blood in high amounts. It appears to be the case that DMSO will carry most chemicals/nutrients that have a molecular weight of below 1000.So if you want large amounts of nutrients like iodine, niacin, vitamin c, glutathione or even ALA delivered locally in much higher quantities into the blood than from the intestines via digestion, then using DMSO will do it without problems.
One thing that I've also learned from using DMSO transdermally is that you should not really use DMSO as a transdermal carrier to put acid forms of nutrients directly into the blood using DMSO -- examples of such acid nutrients being Ascorbic Acid, Alpha Lipoic Acid, citric acid, ACV(It's acid!! ) etc. Always use the chemical salt forms which are the product of Acid/Alkali reactions, which tend to be much more alkaline and safer.
Generally, I usually always add a couple of drops lugols iodine to the DMSO whenever I'm using it transdermally with other nutrients -- the iodine will kill the pathogens topically on the skin so that these live pathogens are not also dragged into the blood to perhaps cause more problems in the body. So Iodine is my added disinfectant whenever I use DMSO on the skin. Hydrogen peroxide is another one you can use to pre-disinfect the skin area before DMSO use. After using the DMSO on the skin, its also best to rub in aloe vera oil to help prevent any itching, dryness or irritation caused by the DMSO."
[YEA] 03/06/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "Directed to Baldev from Maharashtra, India and Mary from Saskatchewan, CanadaI have no idea what my blood pressure is in terms of numbers. Here is how I know if a something works for me or not, I know how I feel. When I lie to sleep and if I can't relax then I know there is something wrong. If I don't fall asleep or can't get comfortable then I know I have to look carefully at what I did that day.
A very good example of this and I have repeated this over the course of years because sometimes I forget how MSG affects me. If I eat a product containing MSG I can't sleep, I can't relax. It feels like high blood pressure but I can't prove it cause I have not tested it.
I have put some of my writings at http://hebrewofyhwh.wordpress.com/chapter-9-health-and-healing-issues-for-the-man-of-yhwh/"
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02/28/2014: Spruce Moose from Logan, Utah: "It is possible that ACV caused your rash. That is not necessarily a bad thing. Consider that rashes are very common during rapid detoxification. I have seen this many times. It is likely that the ACV caused rapid detox. Consider using less ACV to start, but I'd stick with it and give it some time. ACV is the 3rd most popular remedy on this site. Be sure to use Organic Apple Cider Vinegar."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 12:27:13 -0600
02/26/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Tong: Eating cooked conventionally grown food that is low in nutrients and high in pollutants is causing all this suffering, confusion, and worry. I went through this myself. If you can afford raw organic produce then search raw food videos. If you are poor like me then make the best remedy of all, home brewed water kefir. The ingredients need to be organic or sustainable grown traditionally with manure and not sprayed with synthetics. Ferment 75g whole flours/quart for 12 hours at room temp. Soak some beans for 12 hours in plain water. Add the liquid, not the fiber, to the beans and start the next batch with some from the previous batch. Drink the liquid from the beans with the fiber from the grains several times/day. The reasons are these. Most people make kefir with whole sugar. Whole flours cost less and have fiber and protein. A group of friends who have degrees in the life sciences studied all the foods. They discovered small red beans were best, closely followed by kidney and pinto. Beans are high in sulfur, the mother of all minerals, saponins, ginseng, jiaogulan, and yucca have these, and anthocyanins, the flavonol in berries. Keep repeating the procedure for 1 week and then cook the beans and eat them and then start a new batch. Learn to soak nuts and seeds and to eat the right proportions from the raw food videos."
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "to Mike62 from Denver; hi Mike would you have a really exact recipe for your water kefir? Thanks"
02/28/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Mary: I'm glad you are interested in the best of all God's Goodies, kefir. Mama makes goats milk kefir for the same reasons I make water kefir. Kefir increases the activity of all the nutrients and makes the same highly energized water in fruits and milk. Wild Plants do not eat food. They eat compost. I experiment with a variety of raw organic whole foods to make my kefir. Everybody agrees that the dose of carbs is 6%. That would be 60g/carbs/quart. Flours have 25% fiber and protein so I use 75g/quart. I don't use store bought sugar. I use whole cane sugar. This has the molasses they like. I don't have the grains anymore. I use some from the previous batch. Some of the microbes escape from the grains into the water. The dormant grains cost $10 and come with instructions. Put them in 1 pint drinking water, add 30g sucanet, brew at room temp away from sunlight, they don't like metal or pollutants, the water gradually changes from sour to vinegry, approximately 4 days. Drink 12oz before too tart, use 4oz to start next batch, add 28oz water, 60g sucanet, or 75g whole flour, let brew for 12-24 hours, drink before too tart, and repeat the procedure. I make a gallon/day. Recently I've been soaking pinto beans in the kefir. They have saponins that make water wetter, and anthocyanins. Pinto beans are 85% as good as the best food in the world, small red beans. I get sustainable grown traditionally for $1/pound. I hope this makes you function optimally like me."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 12:26:29 -0600
Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Fri, 28 Feb 14 08:58:47 -0600
Anyway, I encourage you to buy and read this old book. DMSO is a product that could revolulationize medicine if given a chance. You can use it on a million dollar horse, but it is against the law for you to receive its benifits. Why? It is too cheap and is not patentable.
I promise you that if you read this book and don't shed a few tears, then you are a hard person. The FDA is exposed with this story. They ruined a number of good dedicated doctors to prove that they are omnipotent.
As Dr Jacob says, horses don't know about plecabo's or double blind tests. It it works , they run, if not , then they don't run. Sounds right to me.
Please read the book."
07/15/2012: Mystic Sage from Cutler Bay, Florida: "Hi Robert Henry, I read the same book as well. The one book that led me to this one mentioned on your post was titled The Heritic. I believe that is the title, by Mendelsohn(?). He mentioned DMSO aside from many interesting facts that involved the medical field during the fiasco with DMSO and the FDA. I had forgotten about DMSO until I read the first Trudeau book about a year ago and noticed that he mentioned The Heritic book in his. I have been slowly purchasing the books that Trudeau has mentioned in his book to help me along in understanding DMSO. Very fascinating. I still want to find out how I can orally take it if what I have is the 99.9% gel with 10% distilled water. I am psyched out with this stuff as well!"
07/17/2012: Robert Henry from Ten Mile, Tn Usa : "HU U MYSTIC SAGE, , , , , , , , , ,This is not the only natural medical thing that gives me concern that the Traditional Medical folks fight tooth and nail. We have cleaned out our blood vessels with EDTA Chelation and have used the CEDSA to learn of the parasites that have taken us over. That is now a thing of the past. We main line Glutithione to avoid Dementia. We have yet to receive the blood test results that was developed by Purdue U that tells you 5 to 7 years ahead of time that you have cancer on the way and has a protocol to combat the problem. That will be a biggie.
These are all things to keep you from having these problems. I am just a lowly Ch E. But I think DMSO works best as a carrier in an IV situtation. Dr. Jacob is the authority on DMSO, but the Gov. has cowed this great man.
My latest project is to use a lowly Egg Plant solution to treat the Actinic Kerartosis which covers my face before it becomes cancerous.
Love you all ======ROBERT HENRY====="
04/25/2013: Leah from Philadelphia, Pa: "Hi guys, here is the DMSO chapter you mention, as permitted by the book author to be read for free online: http://healthnews.benabraham.com/html/fountain_of_youth_-_nature_s_h.html. It is a heart breaking story. It makes me outraged that something so healing has been suppressed by those who were originally meant to promote the public interest. Of course we see this with many cheap, unpatentable therapies such as oxygen, IV vitamin c for cancer, using your own blood that has been subjected to uv light for hidden viruses etc. The list of forbidden, cheap, life saving herbs and therapies is quite long. If we had better education about and access to these things all chronic illness would be much easier to cure. Pharmaceuticals and surgery would become virtually obsolete."
12/30/2013: Man from America: "I put a complete copy of the book DMSO: The Persecuted Drug by Pat McGrady as a mirror of the other copy so that there is a second copy on the web. Having several backups of information like this is helpful. What I see is that the Medical Industrial Complex has control issues and they don't like people learning too much and they use the police power of the state to enforce their arbitrary codes/laws. There is no money to be made in fees on DMSO. It is not patentable because it is a natural substance. This is a miracle substance and it is cheap and it does major good. Nobody is interested in cheap because there is no profit to be made. There is no money telling people to use a product they can go to the store and buy themselves. Http://hebrewofyhwh.wordpress.com/chapter-9-health-and-healing-issues-for-the-man-of-yhwh/dmso-the-persecuted-drug-full-copy-in-large-uniform-print/"
01/01/2014: Man from America: "To Mystic Sage, you had asked a question about your DMSO gel that was 99.9 percent pure. The gel formulation of DMSO contains an agent in it called carpobol and I quote and just substitute the DMSO for the first word. [0162] (Ophthalmic) [editor note here: DMSO] gels suitable for treatment of the eye include a compound or compounds of the invention suspended in a hydrophilic base, such as Carpobol-940 or a combination of ethanol, water and propylene glycol (e.g., in a ratio of 40:40:20). A gelling agent, such as hydroxylethylcellulose, hydroxypropylcellulose, hydroxypropylmethylcellulose or ammoniated glycyrrhizinate, is used. A preservative and/or a tonicity agent may optionally be included. --[Source: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20110171306] And this site of the company that makes it and appears owns it: http://www.lubrizol.com/Carbopol/default.html What about just plain DMSO, Capeech? ."
[YEA] 01/08/2014: Man from Sojourning In America: "This week I did something different. For two day I drank two tablespoons of 99.99 DMSO once in the morning and once in the evening and each time it was in 20 ounces of pure water and drank over a period of time. I am here to report what happened. I felt good. I went outside in sub zero temperatures and shoveled snow for short periods of time.I was painless for 2 days. I felt like a younger man as far my energy level goes. It messed with my appetite because I did not feel like eating at regular intervals which helps me control my blood sugar stability. So that has to be watched more carefully next time. Symptoms of blood sugar roller coaster were apparent by the end of the second day. It is reactive hypoglycemia (see Blaylock on the internet video section). Before I went outside I rolled cayenne extracted in alcohol onto my back with some DMSO too. That helped me feel really warm in all the winter clothing. I also took 250 mg of Niacin before going out side too and it was perfect because the flushing and heat generated in the skin kept me feeling perfectly comfortable. I had to come in for my ears sake and eyes sake. I used common sense but it seemed to help me accomplish what needed done on those two extremely cold days. That is my report on the DMSO."
02/28/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "I am looking into this idea of "Oil Pulling". And if it does work, why would DMSO not be a good idea? DMSO has some of the characteristics of an oil. I started last night with DMSO and I did it this morning too. I used pure 99.9 percent pure DMSO. It has a warming effect. I did not find it objectionable at all. (If I kick the bucket, please ignore anything I have ever said because I never met Jack, and not know Jack)."
03/02/2014: Frank from Rochester, Ny: "I would be careful using DMSO as an oil pulling "oil". The bacteria from any dental plague in your mouth will get absorbed into your bloodstream and might cause heart problems like Infectious Endocarditis. If I were you, I would only use the traditional oils that have been used for centuries in this particular technique."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Put some hydrogen peroxide with the dmso. That should help kill any infecting microbes."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 08:55:38 -0600
What to eat would be stewed veggies, pasta-no tomato sauce. Cream sauce and the like is OK. Mainly soft foods. They do not have to be bland just not spicy. This will also cut down on acid reflux. And indigestion.
If this becomes chronic, a visit to a chiropractor that practices kenisiology Is in order. I do not know if ACV helps with this as I have not had to try it as yet."
I have studied holistic health for most of my life and this medicine and its effects have worried me over the last almost two years. I am in a situation now where I cannot afford to buy it any longer either.
My concern is that I don't know what to take to cure the problem because of my symptoms so if anyone here has similar please let me know. People here have great success with ACV and Baking Soda. I did use baking soda before the problem got so intense I had to have the gastroscopy.
By the way at this time two years ago I did a 12 day fast on just organic aloe vera juice from whole foods I was that desperate. After that I decided to have a some organic veggie juice thinking I could now drink it and OMG it didn't last a moment in my system. Definitely it did me no good at all.
I throw up even water, but some foods surprisingly I discovered by accident I can keep down. I.e. pasta with cheese sauce, which I hadn't eaten for thirty years not liking it prior, but it was served for dinner where I was visiting. This blew my mind when I realized I wouldn't be throwing it up. Hard boiled eggs with a bit of butter I can keep down too. Veggies I can't keep down either. The problem I have is that I can't get past a mouthful of ACV without it coming right back up. I also have a greens organic, and a non-GMO, non-dairy, non-Soy protein powder full of good healthy ingredients, which I used to blend with coconut milk, and now I can't drink that either since stopping the PPI. I can only now drink little sips of water otherwise it comes back. Teas all come back after a mouthful. Coffee is out of the question entirely.
There must be a way to cure this and heal it holistically. I refuse to believe I have to live with this Dexilant which I read increases the possibility of stomach cancer if taking it over a long period. I also have osteoporosis before taking Dexilant and it must be even worse now. I feel that I am in very critical condition.
Another thing that happens is that the moment I even go to take my medication for hypothyroid and reach for the glass of water that my upper abdomen immediately swells and hurts and I haven't even had a sip yet. I sleep practically sitting up and now I also have developed this cough that causes me to throw up. I bring up a very clear gel like substance, not a mucous that is thick and then up comes my water or anything I have taken.
I would appreciate hearing back about this. Thanks."
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: It's obvious that the acid factor of ACV irritates your Esophagus, so do drop that. I had the same problem w/ the thyroid meds. One of the noticeable symptoms of hypothyroid is reduced ability to swallow, which implies that the esophagus is directly effected by insufficient thyroid hormones.So, the only way to bring about a fix is to treat the esophagus and the thyroid simultaneously. Starting w/ the thyroid, take the magnet on your refrigerator and apply it to your thyroid glands for 10 min 2x day. Switch from levothyroxine to Armor Thyroid meds w/ any luck from your MD. supplement Lugols Iodine (much info here on E.C.). Take 500mg L-Tyrosine 1x day for two weeks and then up to 500mg 2x day. At this point you may need to split the thyroid med in half but you will need thyroid checked for sure. Vit-E is very good for protecting all the glands and thus improving their function. The best form of E is mixed Tocopherols & Tocotrienols. Coconut Oil is also very good for the T.
Now for the esophagus. Burst 5,000 iu Vit-A in mouth and let it slowly drain down the throat or take small spoon of Cod Liver Oil by mouth using the slow method. 15 minutes later suck an Elderberry/Zinc Lozenge. These two should both strengthen and soothe. DGL form of Licorice will also help soothe."
02/22/2014: Jos from Thailand: "Hi to Morganaspirit in Vancouver,Sorry to hear of your gastric problems, have you tried mixing food thickeners to your food and drinks? There is a product called Nestagel which works quite well and helps to keep food down and without irritation, I believe it's mainly used for children and elderly people but maybe worth experimenting with, also try to research other food thickners which maybe of benefit to you as they coat the lining of your osophegus, and help to stop the burning sensation. Weight loss may be a problem for you and when desperate try Bengers food, another "old fashioned" food for invalids and children with hiatal hernia problems. Keeping yourself raised up when sleeping is essential for your oesophageal probs and I really wish you well. I had a young baby with reflux and I learnt about thickening food to keep it down in her stomach, I appreciate you are not an invalid but thought some of these ideas may help you."
02/22/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Morganaspirit: I am not sure I can assist you but I can try. I am not sure why but I like to study the food plants, animals, and well people eat. After reading your sad story of so much suffering I am surprised you are alive. The reason I say this is because the cells require proper nourishment. When they don't get enough they eat the tissues. I believe this to be the root cause. I was very sick. The way I got well was to experiment. This is hard for a sick person to do so maybe getting a loved one to assist would be a good idea. Vegetables want to be fertilizer for the seeds so they make some of their nutrients hard to digest to discourage herbivores from eating them. Fruits want to be eaten for herbivores to propagate the seeds. Their nutrients are easily digested. The most easily digestible fruit is banana. Whole Foods has whole trade bananas. These are organically grown but lack the costly certification. They are also the least costly. You can try raw wildflower honey. Avocados are also easy to digest. Because you were able to eat cheese, eggs, and butter, you can try raw vital pastured eggs, raw grass fed hamburger, colostrum, and raw cheese. You can try black chia seeds. They are less costly online. Brown Cow plain yogurt might be beneficial. In my opinion you are going to have to find some raw organic and grass fed whole foods that you can eat so you can recover."
02/23/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morganspirit, sounds like you have to have well-cooked, easily digestible foods for right now. Look into Traditional Chinese Medicine for your situation."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you Timh from Ky, and Somewhere, Europe, jos from Thailand, and Mike 62 from Denver. I appreciate all of your input. I do love avocadoes Mike, bananas I am very allergic to unfortunately cause I love them.Jos, food thickeners sound like a very good idea because they coat the lining of the esophagus. I have never heard of them so will research as soon as I get off this site.
Timh, I do take desiccated thyroid. Learned that one a few years ago! But you are right that the thyroid seems to be mixed up with everything. I never thought of using a magnet on my thyroid but what a great idea. I need a lot of thyroid every day so it would be amazing to split it in half. I will certainly try the Vit-A. Does it taste fishy though? Thinking of Cod liver oil you mentioned. Aside from the esophagus problems I have a very difficult time with smells, especially fishy smell. I can't even walk into a fish store without throwing up. I take coconut oil and use it for cooking. Perhaps that would work as well as Vit-A?
I am going to try these ideas you all gave me today, and Somewhere, Europe you suggested TCM. I went to a naturopath who taught at the TCM college here and he was useless. His big plan was for me buy his protein powder and take that daily as well as pay him $150/hr for his consult. He gave me a sample and it upchucked within five minutes so I am a bit distrustful of TCM if that is the recommendation. I like the ones I got here today and will use them all. Thank you."
02/23/2014: Gtcharlie from Los Angeles, Ca: "Hi Morganaspirit,I want to chip in a few points here that is away from the main drag; not with the intention to negate what others say, but to add a different approach that is more in line with the Eastern philosophy.
1. Avoid all cold drinks or foods, including raw foods taken cold, even water from the refrigerator! Because you don't want to excite your stomach needlessly. And you don't want to lower your body's core temperature suddenly either. So, please stick to foods/drinks that are a bit above lukewarm, but way lower than to burn your mouth.
2. Use ginger as often as you can, but not as much as you can. Large amount of ginger can upset your stomach, in moderation, it can curb regurgitation effectively. Ginger can also warm your stomach up which will reduce the excessive stomach acid. GERD can be from insufficient stomach acid in some cases especially with the elderlies. But judging from what you say about the ACV, it is not your case.
The best way is to take a ginger tea with honey daily - thinly cut fresh ginger 15-20 slices with skin on, add in 8 oz of water and bring it to boil. Remove from the stove and stir in one t-spoon honey. Press the ginger slices a bit while mixing the honey in with the spoon. Save half of this concoction in a thermal for later use. Sip this tea slowly as hot as you can take. Inhale the steam through your nostrils while waiting for the tea to cool down a bit. By doing so, you can warm up your upper chest. Reheat the rest from the thermal a few hours later to finish it. Less in amount and more in frequency is the key to avoid burdening your stomach. If you can take in the whole 8 oz once, then brew a second cup later.
Always add some fresh ginger in your cooking. Ginger candy is a good choice for snacking.
If you like cinnamon, you can use it to replace ginger at times or supplementing the ginger tea with it. But be sure to buy the cinnamon from Indonesia or Srilanka since it is for medicinal purpose. You will find them at Amazon.
3. Take liquid foods for easy digestion; thick soap like beef and barley is a good choice. Avoid foods that cause bloating and gas. Chew slowly and longer when eating solid foods to let the saliva to breakdown carbohydrates. Proper nutrition plays a big part in one's health!
4. Rub your stomach often: use both hands to rub your stomach (right under the sternum) with a little pressure. Move in a circular motion and reverse the direction alternatively. Give it a few pumps if you can in between. Do it before meals and relax your stomach muscle by practicing deep breathing at times. You need to strengthen your diaphram.
If these help and when situation is stabilized, you can start making fresh potato juice in the morning and drink it with an empty stomach - at least half an hour prior to breakfast. Add an apple if you like. But be sure to leave both the potato and apple out of the refrigerator to prevent taking in cold liquid in the morning!
Potato juicing is good to curb cancer cells, and for any ulcer too! A very popular remedy in Asia popularized by a welknown Japanese monk.
All the best to you!"
02/24/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Morganaspirit: Yes, the Cod Liver Oil or Vit-A smells like fish, so you will need to fallow it directly w/ Elder/Zinc Lozenge. The Iodine/L-Tyrosine will likely be necessary in improving your T hormone status for the short-term until you do the Magnet, Vit-A, and Zinc begin protecting and healing the Thyroid. All this has worked for me as my last test showed normal without having previously taken levothyroxine for many weeks.Do report your results for others."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morganaspirit,Really, my heart goes out to you...you have suffered so much.
I love what the EC writers have posted and have two observations:
First, to add to the previous suggestions on what you might be able to eat, have you tried papaya? The raw fruit, not the capsules but the fruit itself?
Papaya is an amazing fruit packed with enzymatic power... soothing to the lining of irritated throat and stomach...it is wonderfully anti nausea. What ever is causing the problem, you certainly are deficient in enzymes and a good starting point is papaya. Start with the real fruit as I said and after eliminating the tiny black seeds (a good source of anti parasites) just take a tiny bit on spoon and eat. If no negative reaction, try a quarter teaspoon and so forth until you can eat a quarter cup at a time. If you can tolerate that much, the Papaya will start its wonder working impact on your system.
Second, I'd love to more find out the CAUSE of what you are experiencing. I understand the Barretts Syndrome diagnosis, but I mean before that. Here is my point; We are dealing with (largely) what you can eat now. That is vital because clearly there is a sense of urgency here...and that is why I threw in my suggestion of papaya. But all these suggestions, by and large, speak to the symptoms and do not address the cause.
I guessed one possible cause as an enzyme deficiency issue but that might more fit the symptom category.
Would you please give us some more information on the history of what led to this problem. I'm always wondering at causation and try to get to the bottom line cause for the symptoms. Often I find an infection that preceded symptoms, for instance.
So...could you give a brief history... like this; when did you first begin experiencing difficulties...from youth? From birth? Do you suspect genetic? As I said, I've often found a viral/ fungal ... pathogenic trigger, and hence "basis" for the symptoms.
Here's a typical story line...maybe it fits and maybe not: Victim X suffers from nausea for past five years. X first experienced illness four months after visiting Caribbean islands. Doctors cannot find cause. Possible answer; Parasites.
Or: Victim Y suffers from endocrine system issues with manifold symptoms. Six months prior to symptoms, suffered from severe case of strep. Possible cause; virus.
So, anything you can tell us as to cause...more of the history can help with underlying cause solution."
02/23/2014: Morganaspirit from Vancouver, Canada: "Thank you GT Charlie. I discovered this thing about not having cold water this week and on the weekend when it finally hit me that my overnight lukewarm water had not bothered me at all to drink it. Usually I have it ice cold from the frig and so you are right on there. I will slice up my ginger and try that again. I use to make fresh ginger tea. I used to also keep fresh slices in my water jug to sip on as well and I see it is time to do this again. Cinammon too I love so will make sure it comes from Indonesia or Sri Lanka. Thanks so much for your input.Unfortunately I used the PPI Dexilant to get through the past two years and it is only when I realized it was also not working as well, that is when I knew I had to tackle this problem now. My problem is that I work 12 hr days and alot of that time is sitting at my desk and that is a problem too with that pressure. I spose I can heat up the ginger tea in the microwave at work although I hate to use it. Thanks again."
02/24/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Hee, hee, Morganspirit, I learn the Chinese stuff that I want, off the Internet and from books. I take the info that seems right to me and experiment with that. Why pay? Having said that, I did go to a practitioner to get the Chinese "diagnosis name" of my condition (according to them. I always take it all with a grain or two of Celtic Salt :))."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Canada: "Timh from Ky, I cannot tolerate even the smell of fish oil. I would be heaving before getting the capsule close to my throat but I was thinking that perhaps coconut oil might be a good substitute. Thanks. By the way I have a very sensitive stomach. Even happening upon a dead fly makes me vomit.To Dave:
Dave thanks for your reply. I do love papaya, but so many fruits made me throw up in the past three and half years that I gave up on them. I will try your suggestion with just a tiny amount at a time. I do know it has powerful enzymes and if it stays down, it would be wonderful to eat it as much as I can keep down.
As to the beginning of this problem, acid reflux began about five years ago at age 59, but it wasn't until the end of 2010 that it began to be uncomfortable.Up to the acid reflux beginning the only time I had stomach problems was my horrid reaction to smelly things or revolting looking things and then anything I had in my gut came up. I was one of those women during pregnancy who vomited the whole nine months.
Actually interesting you bring up possible parasites as a source cause I used to wonder about that. The day it began I had bought myself a frozen lasagne to have for a quick meal after work. I had just begun my present job the month before, twelve hour days and was too exhausted to stand at the counter and cook after a long day beginning at 4am.
This is the first time in my life I bought one of those dinners, since my preference is more holistic and fresh food, but I did and that night I did have a violent reaction like a stomach flu which continued for several days and then I caught a bad cold which turned into a bad chest infection. The chest infections have been recurring over the years since childhood when hay fever first hit. It always changed to chest infections which lasted for weeks and weeks and that could be asthma I found out recently.
Since I never got stomach flu's ever, it has only now occurred to me that it might not have been the lasagne at all and that it could have been a bad flu beginning with stomach and turning into the chest infection.
Back to the problem. I was coughing very much, pulling tummy muscles when the problem began late 2010, and this continued for weeks. After that finally ended the real problem began in my stomach and upper abdomen. Those weeks of horrid gut wrenching coughing must have caused the hiatal hernia. It just got worse and worse and my doctor sent me on the rounds to have ultrasounds on every organ and nothing showed up and finally after a year of this and being in exactly the state where I am now, I insisted on seeing a gastroenterologist and then had that diagnosis after a gastroscopy and biopsy, and told I had to take Dexilant for life.
It was such a relief to have a solution that I happily took those pills and then when I found out just how dire it is to the system it began to make me very uneasy and to want to find another way. I really didn't think there was another way until finding this forum...so then I have hope.
Another thing that happens when I have anything at all, even lukewarm water my tummy area around my belly button as a centre swells and hurts immediately and as I said it can begin before I even have the liquid or food.
I remembered giving my dog Slippery Elm when he had digestive issues and am thinking that perhaps that might be a good thing to drink prior to eating anything or drinking anything even water. Funny how I never thought of that before.
By the way, my job hours are very stressful for me and I have been doing it almost four years and that may have alot to do with it too. Next year I will be 65 and can retire so maybe that will make a difference if I can get through this without it all turning to esophageal cancer.
Thanks for your input and for any further suggestions."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello again Morgana (spirit) from Canada,So excited to get your follow up post!
The "history" of your disease ... and yours is indeed a disease is now much better understood by your last post.
You gave a great lay out of the key events and here's what I think given the evidence concerning the issue of causation and what is underlying the symptoms.
As you said, the day it all started (building on some reflux already present but not the main issue)... was the uncooked lasagna. I gather it was either under cooked or just let get to room temp from frozen condition. Couldn't tell which, but got for sure that it was not cooked.
Whatever... the problem was in the Lasagna. What was in it? Do you recall? And I doubt if you'd remember but do you recall if it was an imported variety. THAT would really give us a good slap on the huntin' dog's back if we knew it was a Mediterranean import. (Lots of Montezuma's revenge...yes, the Mediterranean... not just Mexico.) Amoeba, e coli, etc etc. are possible. Look up Amoebic dysentery on Wikipedia. The one of some interest is the "trophozoite" which is an amoeba that is non cyst forming. That amoeba produces symptoms without hurting liver. You need the BEST parasitologist to exclude the possibility that you do NOT have such infection.
Montezuma's revenge can be either viral or bacterial.
And let's just talk "mundane" infections caused by a good ol' American virus, fungus or bacteria.
You got the infection .... whatever it is from the lasagna. "The day it started..." that was the uncooked lasagna day.
What to do? Well, if me, I've already said I'd get a parasitologist to eliminate the possibility of parasites... and next...if not parasites, go to the old standbys to kill infections....Colloidal Silver (I now do a little dance at the mention of CS ... no doubt the Cherokee blood that runs through me).
I'd take a lot...I would be drinking at least six teaspoons of CS daily on empty stomach (which is what you usually have). I wrote a little article that the EC staff was nice enough to post under "Colloidal Silver" ...the Remedies section. I think mine's the second one.
So my contention is that CS will kill the underlying infection, if the experts say the problem is not a parasite. There are "natural" parasite killers covered in Earth Clinic, but after reading the autobiography "MD" which is about a parasitologist, I think I'd first get a determination of whether the cause just might be parasitic.
But do look at the Wiki article on Amoebic dysentery I mentioned and see if the symptoms discussed with the two types of amoeba relate to your problem. If not.... turn to virus killers....eg.....CS."
02/24/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Morgana,A paragraph I failed to put into the long post just below this one....yes a bad infection as you mentioned from childhood could be the cause... Still....either would indicate an infection as the cause. And that's what we're looking for ... the cause."
02/24/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "hi Dave,The thing is I had a frozen lasagna probably McCains or something like that and of course I heated it in the oven for the requisite time.
Good idea on CS. Have some in my fridge. Thanks for your input. Morgana"
02/25/2014: Morgana from Vancouver, Bc: "An update. Just wanted to tell you who contributed to my question that I am able to hold down avocado and papaya, so today for work I made myself a little salad with those, but I also added raw zucchini which I knew would be okay and I use the spiralizer to make it look like spaghetti. I also added raw apple and voila I have kept it all down and no heartburn.It is a beginning and beats having to survive on fettucine, which is not something I like but when it was the only thing to stay down for a meal, what the heck.
Morgana"
02/26/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Morgana, thanks for coming back to report. We're delighted at the good news, it's a very good start!"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Many things can bring on a hiatal hernia...most common is while sitting- bending at the waist, as if to tie shoes. This will force the stomach into the diaphram. When the irritation begins things to avoid, temporally, (for 7 to 10 days) would be tomato sauce, spicy foods, COFFEE, too much ruffage as raw veggies, rice, and alcohol.What to eat would be stewed veggies, pasta-no tomato sauce. Cream sauce and the like is OK. Mainly soft foods. They do not have to be bland just not spicy. This will also cut down on acid reflux. And indigestion.
If this becomes chronic, a visit to a chiropractor that practices kenisiology Is in order. I do not know if ACV helps with this as I have not had to try it as yet."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 08:48:31 -0600
The castor oil didn't make mine go away but does seem to make it lighter. I fully intend to try ACV. All the health professionals I have spoken to all say its tied up with the liver! And that it's an underlying issue. I thought my liver was fine although I do like to have a couple of drinks every day which is hard to give up.
The thought of surgery terrifies me! I will update if ACV works at all. I have also tried colloidal silver in the eyes to no avail :("
01/12/2014: Natty from England, Uk: "Any luck with the castor oil for Pterygium? Anyone kindly give us some outcome with using the Castor Oil? I was diagnosed with Pterygium this week, I have been searching online as there is not cure for Pterygium, only surgery wise.I am heartbroken and had been in tears over this. I am only 30 years old female, my GP didn't tell me much about it and nothing to worry about until it effected my vision and just send me away. I am seeing another doctor next week and as I want another second opinion.
So I have been using the pure castor oil since yesterday, twice a day into my eye, worth a try and see for the next two weeks or so. If that doesn't work, I am going to try the Apple Cider Vinegar route. If that doesn't work, then I am going to think about having surgery before it's get too serious.
Anyone write any successes stories on here, I would love to hear from you. Anyone know any decent eye doctor in England? Anyone had surgery in England for Pterygium?
I really upset over this! N"
02/27/2014: Elle from New Zealand: "Hi. I'm in my 30's too and mine is progressively getting bigger.The castor oil didn't make mine go away but does seem to make it lighter. I fully intend to try ACV. All the health professionals I have spoken to all say its tied up with the liver! And that it's an underlying issue. I thought my liver was fine although I do like to have a couple of drinks every day which is hard to give up.
The thought of surgery terrifies me! I will update if ACV works at all. I have also tried colloidal silver in the eyes to no avail :("
Fri, 28 Feb 14 08:47:40 -0600
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
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[YEA] 09/10/2010: Hazelnut from Phoenix, Az, Usa: "I absolutely agree that castor oil is great for Beautiful skin... I started using castor oil on my face every night after bath 1 week ago and today only 7 days later my face somehow looks at least 5 years younger and flawless and more toned... I am thankful for Earth Clinic or I never would have tried castor oil on my face.... From Hazelnut"
[YEA] 09/12/2010: Tina from Princeton, New Jersey: "I agree that castor oil is an amazing face oil. I have been using it as a night-time treatment for nearly two months now. I use a tiny amount which I thin down with a few drops of almond oil which makes it easier to pat onto the skin, since castor oil has a thick consistency. I have also noticed that my eyelashes are growing longer!"
10/05/2010: Christelle from Windhoek, Namibia: "Will this caster oil not give you blackheads?"
[YEA] 06/11/2011: Len from Seattle, Wa: "No--the castor oil will not clog your pores. In fact, it has made my pores clearer and smaller. I was very leery about using an oil on my face (I thought I'd break out terribly) but after the first application, I realized that it helped get rid of any blemishes or inflammations not caused them. And I have less clogged pores."
02/26/2014: Paula2613 from Azusa,ca: "What name brand are you ladies using? I have melasma on my forehead n cheeks n would like to start this castor oil treatment. Thank you, Paula"
02/26/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Paula,I have used Heritage Store and Home Health castor oil. Both are cold pressed. I have been happy with them. Now sells one that is expeller pressed. A little goes a long way! Hope you find it helpful. I love castor oil and have used it for many things.
~Mama to Many~"
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "To Mama To Many: Hi, does the castor oil make you break out? Do you mix it with anything? Thanks"
02/28/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Mary,I have not had trouble with castor oil causing any type of skin outbreak on me or my family members. We have used it on faces, necks, backs, feet, etc, with no problem. When I use it on my face, sometimes I put a few drops of Rosemary Essential Oil into it (a few drops in an ounce of Castor Oil.) But lately I have just used it plain. (At first I had added the Rosemary because I didn't care for the smell of castor oil, but I guess now I am used to it.) Sometimes I mix castor oil into homemade salves or oil blends for various purposes...I have mixed it with olive oil, coconut oil, and/or almond oil. I have always been happy with castor oil however I have used it.
I hope it will work well for what you need, as well.
~Mama to Many~"
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02/26/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Tong: Eating cooked conventionally grown food that is low in nutrients and high in pollutants is causing all this suffering, confusion, and worry. I went through this myself. If you can afford raw organic produce then search raw food videos. If you are poor like me then make the best remedy of all, home brewed water kefir. The ingredients need to be organic or sustainable grown traditionally with manure and not sprayed with synthetics. Ferment 75g whole flours/quart for 12 hours at room temp. Soak some beans for 12 hours in plain water. Add the liquid, not the fiber, to the beans and start the next batch with some from the previous batch. Drink the liquid from the beans with the fiber from the grains several times/day. The reasons are these. Most people make kefir with whole sugar. Whole flours cost less and have fiber and protein. A group of friends who have degrees in the life sciences studied all the foods. They discovered small red beans were best, closely followed by kidney and pinto. Beans are high in sulfur, the mother of all minerals, saponins, ginseng, jiaogulan, and yucca have these, and anthocyanins, the flavonol in berries. Keep repeating the procedure for 1 week and then cook the beans and eat them and then start a new batch. Learn to soak nuts and seeds and to eat the right proportions from the raw food videos."
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "to Mike62 from Denver; hi Mike would you have a really exact recipe for your water kefir? Thanks"
02/28/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Mary: I'm glad you are interested in the best of all God's Goodies, kefir. Mama makes goats milk kefir for the same reasons I make water kefir. Kefir increases the activity of all the nutrients and makes the same highly energized water in fruits and milk. Wild Plants do not eat food. They eat compost. I experiment with a variety of raw organic whole foods to make my kefir. Everybody agrees that the dose of carbs is 6%. That would be 60g/carbs/quart. Flours have 25% fiber and protein so I use 75g/quart. I don't use store bought sugar. I use whole cane sugar. This has the molasses they like. I don't have the grains anymore. I use some from the previous batch. Some of the microbes escape from the grains into the water. The dormant grains cost $10 and come with instructions. Put them in 1 pint drinking water, add 30g sucanet, brew at room temp away from sunlight, they don't like metal or pollutants, the water gradually changes from sour to vinegry, approximately 4 days. Drink 12oz before too tart, use 4oz to start next batch, add 28oz water, 60g sucanet, or 75g whole flour, let brew for 12-24 hours, drink before too tart, and repeat the procedure. I make a gallon/day. Recently I've been soaking pinto beans in the kefir. They have saponins that make water wetter, and anthocyanins. Pinto beans are 85% as good as the best food in the world, small red beans. I get sustainable grown traditionally for $1/pound. I hope this makes you function optimally like me."
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I would love to hear and compare. For example, one night I took a table spoon mixed in some water and made me have such a relaxed sleep!!!!"
I have some questions concerns aboat DMSO mixed with lemon juice. ever since first reading the book DMSO Natures Healer, and reading hundreds of personal testimonials I started to take 99.99% DMSO on and off over the years. I take it both topically and internally, making sure to dilute it down to 70% or less. I take it to try and relieve the aches and pains of life...surfing and rock climbing. As prevention to the calcification that comes with aging. I take it because I completely trust and believe in it's curative powers and health benefits.
Aboat two weeks ago I topically applied a mixture of DMSO 70% with fresh squeezed lemon juice, fresh aloe Vera pulp, and magnesium chloride oil to my head, face, neck back, chest and stomach. Then the next day, I had severe shooting pains in my stomach in the large colon area. Excuse me for being so graphic...lots of diarrhea, gas and the need to go to defecate many times a day. But I have no acid reflux. And otherwise my body feels great. This has been going on now for the last two weeks. I am concerned because I have never had any stomach problems in the past. I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, feeling strong and healthy with lots of energy. my digestion has always been good and regular. I eat very well, try and keep well hydrated and most importantly try to feed my mind positivity, love and kindness.
My question is ...what is going on down inside of my guts? I spent the last year in south east Asia, and six months in India. But I had no health issues. I didn't get sick. I am thinking that it may be the result of adding the lemon juice. I say that only because I have never added lemon juice to the equation topically. I have in the past ingested DMSO with MMS and lemon juice and or citric acid but I have never applied it topically. And also I have in the past practically bathed my whole body in DMSO from head to foot, with no negative side effects. So I am thinking that maybe the combination is awaking and or battling parasites or worms that I wasn't even aware of having. maybe all this funkiness is my colon cleaning itself out. But I have done several colon cleanses over the years and experimented with all kinds of natural medicines and cures. I don't know. I can't help but be concerned that maybe it was not a good idea to put this combination directly over my belly. I am concerned that maybe the pure undigested lemon juice, is burning my colon.
I will be doing a "complete dry fast" no water, no food over the coming weekend. I am curious to see if it will help to resolve or at least alleviate my upset belly.
If anyone has any thoughts aboat this. Questions and or comments, I would really appreciate it.
I am a big advocate of DMSO and MMS ...as well as fresh squeezed lemon juice ....yummm. I drink it every day.
Again thanks to everyone. Thank you Ted. Thank you Earth Clinic
all my best to everyone......Justin"
02/13/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Justin,I, too, am a DMSO advocate and use it regularly as you use it topically and internally and have done so "off and on" as you said.
While it's natural to think of "association" as "causation" .... my first take on your reaction is that the cause is not...NOT.... the DMSO combo. It just so happened that a case of Montezuma's revenge hit you at about the same time that you took the DMSO combo.
As evidence, if the DMSO were the cause, you would have been over it in a day or two. But the fact that you continue to suffer tells me you have a very bad case of bacterially induced gastro infection.
And you're living in Mexico. I visited Albania/Romania a year ago and had read in the autobiography "MD" which is the life of a parasitalogist that Montezuma's is actually world wide and can be caused by bacteria and virus. There is a lot around the Mediterranean as well as Latin America. Well, it hit me in a big way, but I was expecting it....never felt anything like it before; like a fist in my stomach and I went straight to my Apple Cider Vinegar ..... and bought more a few days later. Avoided the huge consequences, but barely.
Maybe I'm wrong...and I look forward to see what others say. But a die off? I don't think so.
Get on ACV asap... two tablespoons in glass of water...drink over an hour...repeat two hours later. See if that improves and if so, you will know the cause was pathogens and not DMSO.
PS....I have NEVER had any adverse reaction with DMSO...and taken it for decades."
02/13/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Justin, I think you delivered a huge shot of magnesium to your body. DMSO plus magnesium plus large amount of body coverage. It's possible the magnesium is causing the gas and diarrhea. For two weeks--seems like a long time--but it was probably a lot of magnesium! Nothing to worry about--it is pretty benign."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello to Dave at Fountain Inn.Thanks so much for yor response. Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I just broke my first fast- a 72 hour dry fast. Wow. That was by far one of the most intense experiences that I have ever willingly put myself through. Especially because for the last two weeks my bowels were totally out of wack and having so much diarea. I think I went into the fast very much dehydrated. Then on top of that I am and always have been very thin with probably -50 % body fat. So I immediately turned into a living skeleton. That is why I didn't continue. I was in fact feeling really good. No healing reactions to speak of. actually I had a surprising amount of mental and physical energy. at times I felt like I was flying. And my bowels feel much better, having given them a vacation. But in the end I just let myself be consumed by fantasies of water, flowing rivers and pools of sweet colorful juice. I was living always just out of reach of the most mouth life saving mirage. And finally on the third night when I first looked at myself in the mirror I was shocked to see the grissle I had reduced myself too. I was thinking to continue fasting but I was concerned that if I passed through another night I just may disappear all together.
Now I am two days into breaking the fast. Slowly slowly. chewing my water and fresh coconut water. Yesterday I drank a the juice of the most heavenly watermelon. Today more water, coconut water and maybe some mango juice. mmmm I can't wait.
you may be right Dave aboat the Montezuma's Revenge. I have never had it before so it very well could be that. last month I inquired at a few "naturista" - health food/ supplement stores for ACV. I thought maybe I could get the good organic stuff, but they didn't have it. I was told that I could find it in the supermarket. Would definitely prefer the organic. Man that stuff is delicious. Now after spending more time on this Earth Clinic web site, I have read aboat how many people are using ACV for everything under the sun. So I will definitely try to get my hands on some.
That's cool that your were in Romania and Albania. Man I have wanted to check out Romania and that part of the world for quite some time. I hope to get over to Europe this summer to walk El Camino de Santiago. Then after was thinking that I could slowly make my way over to Macedonia and then maybe Bulgaria and then possibly winter over in Romania....hahaha, wouldn't that be nice and bone chilling. then pass the spring somewhere in Albania. Yes it is a very nice "what if" journey. I know one could spend a life time exploring each one of those countries, so maybe I'll make it to Macedonia and never leave.
Cool man. hey thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it. And like I said I am a big fan of DMSO. I am very curious to personally witness her healing powers in the future. If I may ask, why have you been using DMSO?
Yes this is a wonderful site. It feels like a community with concerned people trying to help each other out....such a beautiful thing. I spent a considerable amount of time reading aboat peoples personal testimonials using all kinds of treatments. most recently I have been reading all that I can on the uses of Turpentine for healing. I always thought it was poison but I see know that I was wrong. So I would love to get my hands on the purest Turpentine. As well as Fulvic acid/ Shilagit.....Nascent Iodine, Ormus. The list goes on.
Ok Dave, all the very best to you.....Justin"
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Nanowriter from Hotspot Texas,Thanks for your reply concerning whether or not I funked my stomach up with the lemon juice/ DMSO combination. And sorry aboat not responding sooner.
Yes you maybe right aboat the dose of transdermal magnesium. I have not been using it for very long. Several times I have given my body a very lite all over with it mixed with DMSO and had no adverse reactions. But yes it could very well be as you've said.
I recently just did a three day dry fast. No food no water. I feel like my entire being just went through the fire so to speak. So I will see, now that I am drinking water and juice for the next few days how my guts respond.
Yes as you said it isn't anything to serious. All is good.
Alright then, I wish you a wonderful day and many days to come....justin"
02/21/2014: Dave from Foun Tain Inn, Sc: "Hello Justin, I use DMSO anytime I want to carry a substance through skin...like colloidal silver. On the subject of ACV, you can use the kind you buy in grocery store. I have used both kinds...And grocery store works also...Normally use organic but either works...at least for me to kill infections."
02/21/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi, my question is to all who have taken DMSO internally and Bill / Ted if they too have tried internally. Has any body noticed it's effect on the blood pressure, whether it lowers it or it tends to increase it. I would like to know it's effect on systolic as well as diastolic blood pressure. My view is, it should help in high BP to reduce it. Kindly those who are taking DMSO internally for other reasons, please monitor your blood pressure and revert back with your experience. it will help many others the use of DMSO. Thanks.Baldev"
[YEA] 02/27/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "Directed to Justin from Mexico.I don't think there is a connection between the DMSO and Lemon juice and what you have experienced and described here. I have done some pretty crazy stuff with DMSO and I have not experienced anything like what you have described as a result. From my experience DMSO does nothing but good and positive things for the body of the man. It is a non synthetic product, I.e. not made by man. I've taken DMSO with water and vitamins, and Omega 3 fats and magnesium and cayenne extract and glycerine and I've had it before and after drinking apple cider vinegar (Malic acid). And I am not done experimenting. I have tried one (1) ounce of 99.99 pure DMSO in 20 ounces of distilled water twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the after noon. I have consumed about 2 quarts of pure DMSO since I began posting here and I haven't been posting here for that long."
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "Man from Sojouring America: Hi, would you mind sharing the results of all of your DMSO experiments?I would love to hear and compare. For example, one night I took a table spoon mixed in some water and made me have such a relaxed sleep!!!!"
02/28/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi, So many of you have been using DMSO internally and I have requested all of you to give your feed back as to how does it effect the blood pressure. I request all of you to kindly monitor your BP and let us know it's effect on systolic and diastolic blood pressure. ThanksBaldev"
03/02/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Baldev...It's very timely that you have asked about DMSO's effect on blood pressure. For the last 3 days I have been experimenting with supplementing just one teaspoon of 100% DMSO on its own(outside mealtimes) per day with a glass of water. Out of interest, I have been measuring my BP every day with a wrist monitor. My normal blood pressure is 110/70. After I started taking the DMSO I found that my BP didn't vary at all from my normal readings. I measured my BP about an hour after taking the DMSO. I am also going to try adding lugol's iodine and other nutrients individually to the oral DMSO to see its effects on my body.It's well known that Dr Stanley Jacobs, who is the guru on the use of DMSO since the 70s, has been taking one teaspoon of DMSO everyday with a glass of water for decades. He maintains that DMSO is one of the best antioxidants on the planet. DMSO also contains sulfur which is anti-aging and acts as an efficient detoxer for the body. When it is oxidized, DMSO becomes MSM(also known as DMSO2 or methylsufonylmethane) another highly useful nutrient for the body. The FDA, the drugs companies and the medical profession all hate DMSO's unique and highly useful transdermal carrier properties. After all, if you could use something like DMSO to deliver drugs and nutrients directly through the skin and into the blood -- then people could easily doctor themselves at home very cheaply because this would make the necessity for injections redundant -- just think of the money stream lost from the medical profession because of this. And that's only one very good reason to use DMSO."
03/02/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi Bill, Thanks a lot for the prompt reply and congratulations for having 110/70 as your normal BP. Don't you think that the body's defense system may not allow DMSO to bring the BP further down, where as if the BP readings were say 180/100, it would bring it to 150/90, just my guess. Kindly comment on this when ever you get an opportunity to use it on some one who has high BP. My feeling is DMSO must help in bringing the BP down and it is a better bet then taking beta blockers or any other medication. ThanksBaldev"
03/04/2014: Bill from San Fernado, Philippines: "Hi Baldev...Unfortunately, I have not read any actual research of DMSO being used to bring down blood pressure but I have found testimonials that seems to confirm that it can help to lower higher blood pressure. There is research here which seems to suggest that DMSO is particularly good at reducing spinal pressure and high blood pressure in the brain after injury -- this is mainly due to DMSO's ability to open up blood vessels. It is also a strong antioxidant. Its most key and unique feature is as a transdermal carrier of nutrients (which are not normally well absorbed by the skin) from the skin directly into the blood in high amounts. It appears to be the case that DMSO will carry most chemicals/nutrients that have a molecular weight of below 1000.So if you want large amounts of nutrients like iodine, niacin, vitamin c, glutathione or even ALA delivered locally in much higher quantities into the blood than from the intestines via digestion, then using DMSO will do it without problems.
One thing that I've also learned from using DMSO transdermally is that you should not really use DMSO as a transdermal carrier to put acid forms of nutrients directly into the blood using DMSO -- examples of such acid nutrients being Ascorbic Acid, Alpha Lipoic Acid, citric acid, ACV(It's acid!! ) etc. Always use the chemical salt forms which are the product of Acid/Alkali reactions, which tend to be much more alkaline and safer.
Generally, I usually always add a couple of drops lugols iodine to the DMSO whenever I'm using it transdermally with other nutrients -- the iodine will kill the pathogens topically on the skin so that these live pathogens are not also dragged into the blood to perhaps cause more problems in the body. So Iodine is my added disinfectant whenever I use DMSO on the skin. Hydrogen peroxide is another one you can use to pre-disinfect the skin area before DMSO use. After using the DMSO on the skin, its also best to rub in aloe vera oil to help prevent any itching, dryness or irritation caused by the DMSO."
[YEA] 03/06/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "Directed to Baldev from Maharashtra, India and Mary from Saskatchewan, CanadaI have no idea what my blood pressure is in terms of numbers. Here is how I know if a something works for me or not, I know how I feel. When I lie to sleep and if I can't relax then I know there is something wrong. If I don't fall asleep or can't get comfortable then I know I have to look carefully at what I did that day.
A very good example of this and I have repeated this over the course of years because sometimes I forget how MSG affects me. If I eat a product containing MSG I can't sleep, I can't relax. It feels like high blood pressure but I can't prove it cause I have not tested it.
I have put some of my writings at http://hebrewofyhwh.wordpress.com/chapter-9-health-and-healing-issues-for-the-man-of-yhwh/"
Fri, 28 Feb 14 08:41:35 -0600
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky: "Darla: Hot baths w/ 1/4 cup baking soda, 1/4 cup epsom salts. Vit-C w/ citrus bioflavonoids will help as will the herb sarsaparilla."
02/20/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Darla: The water in fruit is highly charged good energy that cancels the highly charged bad energy in x-rays. The fruit has to be organic because nutrients and 0 pesticides are required. Berries are best because they have the most nutrients. As the fruit ripens the plant increases the energies to attract herbivores to eat them so as to propagate the seeds. Live ferments also have this highly charged water. Kombucha would be good."
02/27/2014: Macs from Aus: "Hi ,if you would like to do some research on a product called DMSO, which is a natural product. In the information there is some explanations on how to use, or just go ahead and buy the book. I have a friend about to receive radiation to treat throat cancer as well as chemo. There is info about how the DMSO protects the body from radiation by spraying onto the skin, also taking it orally before radiation treatment. There is a lot of info on the net youtube and so forth"
Fri, 28 Feb 14 08:40:08 -0600
06/21/2013: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa: "Joanne: I have had this procedure twice. It's not nearly as dangerous as other invasive procedures like biopsies or surgery. The pain is not-so-bad, somewhat tolerable; but it sure feels good when it's over. No near or long-term side effects."
07/13/2013: Cheryl from Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.: "I had it done and refused to complete the test. It is extremely painful."
[YEA] 02/27/2014: Ray from New York: "I had that test done its painful but it tells you how much nerve damage has been done to the nerves. My left leg has worse damage than my right but it hurts. I will never have it done again but try it once to see what your results tell your doctor."
Fri, 28 Feb 14 01:03:56 -0600
As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 19:37:44 -0600
In some research I did, boiling the coconut milk to get coconut oil will not be as effective as processing it without heat and that some type of vitamins will be lost if I boil the oil. Is this true? Can you please help me.
Thank you!"
02/27/2014: Tema from Kona, Hawaii: "If you are in the island, you can dry the coconut in the sun until it completely dry that it will come of the shell. Then crate it with a fine crater or blender and then squeeze out the oil. If your coconut meat is completely dry, you will see that the liquid that comes out will be oil and not milk. It is very important to make sure that the coconut meat is completely dry. You can put the coconut meat in the sun many times just to make sure that it is very dry through. I came from one of the islands in the pacific where the equator runs through some of the islands and we use every part of the coconut tree from the roots to the tips."
02/27/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Tema, could it be done in a slow oven?"
03/02/2014: Tema from Kona, Hawaii: "Yes, you can dry that in the oven on low heat. Just crack the coconut in half and put the whole thing in the oven until the meat moved away from the shell. Take it off the shell and continue drying it until it completely dry. It is very hard to squeeze the oil out so use your juicer if you have one. In the island we roll the crated dry coconut meat in coconut fibers. We tie both ends with the coconut string and we put them on a log that raised of the ground and press down with another log like a titter totter. It's a lot of work but to us it is a special oil. Another way of making a coconut oil is to crate a coconut meat and squeeze the milk out and cook it on low heat but stir frequently to avoid burning until the coconut milk begins to girdles. Continue cooking it until the girdles color turns brownish and you can see the oil already separating. Take a little girdle and roll it between your fingers to check if it's done. It the girdle is mushy or sticky between your fingers, then it is not done yet. Continue cooking the oil and check the girdle frequently until it rolls between your fingers. Turn off the heat and remove your pot from the heat and tilt it so that the oil and girdles are separated and more oil drain off the coconut girdles. Cool off the girdle a little bit but not completely cold and squeeze out more oil from it. Cool off your oil before you put it in a dry jar, water will spoil your oil. You will notice that you could taste a little sweetness in the oil and the girdle from the coconut oil is very sweet and delicious. It is edible. My grandmother taught me that if the coconut oil is not cooked properly, the oil will not last long. The smell will turn sour like and you can feel the stinging feeling on your tongue if you taste it. Enjoy making your coconut oil and let me know your result. Good luck and God bless."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 18:06:56 -0600
I didn't follow through with the protocol, so a week later it was back. I repeated the ACV and water treatment, once again it took 3-1/2 hours and again, no pain. I continued taking ACV and water three times a day for a few days after.
The following week I had my checkup at the doc's office. I told her what I had done. She got the lab result from my urine sample, said it was normal. I was stunned. I truly thought there would be some bacteria left and I'd still have to be on some antibiotic.
So try it and continue with the ACV for several days. Hopefully you'll have the same good results that I did."
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 02/27/2014: Juana from Los Angeles, Ca: "I have to admit, I have not been consistent with it on a daily basis as I should be, but when I do, I can tell a difference; but I had a question, I have been using regular store bought acv, should I use a better quality like unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar with the mother to get better effects? it seems to be lingering around, I have been mixing it with lemon juice too; I mix 3 to 4 tablespoons of both Apple Cider Vinegar and lemon juice with a large glass of water usually twice a day. Thank u!"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 17:05:57 -0600
02/27/2014: Reena from Seattle: "Can anyone suggest a good naturopath in Seattle area who has treated/helped with SIBO. I live in Eastside Seattle and currently I am suffering from SIBO. I am doing Xifaxan treatment - 2nd time but would love to go see a good naturopath for this issue in Seattle area or eastside."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 17:04:59 -0600
Best wishes, Judy"
Another source I asked him about is egg white protein. He told me that egg whites have high aspartic acid and that he and his don't eat the egg white, only the yolk. I have an egg white protein product in my home and yes it has almost 3000 mg of aspartic acid per scoop and almost 3000mg of glutamic acid per scoop!
So I have these questions about excitotoxins and egg white. I don't completely understand about the problems with excitotoxins in unprocessed food. One thing Ted mentioned is that the egg white is not the food source for the chick. So...anyway I looked around a bit on the net and read where people stated that eggs or egg whites caused them problems.
Does anyone have an understanding of this, especially the part about the egg whites?
Also it was during that time when Ted told me that asparagus is so high is aspartic acid, hence the name.
We ate eggs this morning, with the whites. Its sad to waste the whites I think, but is it really a problem for brain healing? I think it probably is. Can anyone help with this?"
06/30/2009: J from Coloma, Mi: "My Dad is 94 years old. No one can believe it. He still lives independently, drives his own car and his memory is fantastic. He has eaten eggs all his life, so I don't worry about it. His cholesterol is 170. He also eats a lot of fast food so I don't know what his secret is."
05/01/2011: Gavin from Manganui, Northland, New Zealand: "I think you will find that "Yams" according to the latest research.. will go a long way in repairing the brain after a stroke.. Google "Yams and stroke".. I'm sure it will be what you are looking for."
02/27/2014: Judy from New Hampshire: "Dear Jane -- Four years have passed since your query about protein for your dad with PD, but in case you're still working with your dad, I recommend you use the Oil-Protein Diet of Dr. Johanna Budwig, as given on the Healing Cancer Naturally site. Other sites have interesting comments about the Budwig diet, but the Healing Cancer Naturally site has the most accurate info as presented by Dr. Budwig. Dr. Budwig states that the oil-protein diet increases oxygen in the system. Her program has reversed MS. Lest you be concerned about the use of cottage cheese when Parkinson's patients are advised to avoid dairy products, Dr. Budwig said that the dairy-ness of the cottage cheese or quark and the fat of the flaxseed oil are both transmuted to form a highly absorbable and effective, water soluble substance when combined in the manner she prescribed.Best wishes, Judy"
Re: Castor Oil Pack for a Stuck Ileocecal Valve
Thu, 27 Feb 14 17:00:34 -0600
Thu, 27 Feb 14 16:58:30 -0600
In some research I did, boiling the coconut milk to get coconut oil will not be as effective as processing it without heat and that some type of vitamins will be lost if I boil the oil. Is this true? Can you please help me.
Thank you!"
02/27/2014: Tema from Kona, Hawaii: "If you are in the island, you can dry the coconut in the sun until it completely dry that it will come of the shell. Then crate it with a fine crater or blender and then squeeze out the oil. If your coconut meat is completely dry, you will see that the liquid that comes out will be oil and not milk. It is very important to make sure that the coconut meat is completely dry. You can put the coconut meat in the sun many times just to make sure that it is very dry through. I came from one of the islands in the pacific where the equator runs through some of the islands and we use every part of the coconut tree from the roots to the tips."
02/27/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Tema, could it be done in a slow oven?"
03/02/2014: Tema from Kona, Hawaii: "Yes, you can dry that in the oven on low heat. Just crack the coconut in half and put the whole thing in the oven until the meat moved away from the shell. Take it off the shell and continue drying it until it completely dry. It is very hard to squeeze the oil out so use your juicer if you have one. In the island we roll the crated dry coconut meat in coconut fibers. We tie both ends with the coconut string and we put them on a log that raised of the ground and press down with another log like a titter totter. It's a lot of work but to us it is a special oil. Another way of making a coconut oil is to crate a coconut meat and squeeze the milk out and cook it on low heat but stir frequently to avoid burning until the coconut milk begins to girdles. Continue cooking it until the girdles color turns brownish and you can see the oil already separating. Take a little girdle and roll it between your fingers to check if it's done. It the girdle is mushy or sticky between your fingers, then it is not done yet. Continue cooking the oil and check the girdle frequently until it rolls between your fingers. Turn off the heat and remove your pot from the heat and tilt it so that the oil and girdles are separated and more oil drain off the coconut girdles. Cool off the girdle a little bit but not completely cold and squeeze out more oil from it. Cool off your oil before you put it in a dry jar, water will spoil your oil. You will notice that you could taste a little sweetness in the oil and the girdle from the coconut oil is very sweet and delicious. It is edible. My grandmother taught me that if the coconut oil is not cooked properly, the oil will not last long. The smell will turn sour like and you can feel the stinging feeling on your tongue if you taste it. Enjoy making your coconut oil and let me know your result. Good luck and God bless."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 16:57:46 -0600
i came back here to tell the story of how a banana peel cured my wart while nothing else could, but i was amazed to see how many people got to it before me. so instead id like to answer a question i see repeated over and over about the application of the peel.
i think its safe to say that it doesnt really matter how you apply it to the wart. so long as the banana peel gets to touch your wart at least for a few seconds. the chemicals in the peel are EXTREMELY effective against warts. (well some/most warts)
also i believe the chemicals are most potent when the banana is still very unripe. im lucky enough to have a banana tree growing right outside my door, so i cut off a banana that had another month to grow and used the inside of its tiny green peel under a bandaid. i saw a reduction in size and little "hairs" poking out in just 12 hours! compared to other people who say 1-2 days.
this just goes to show you the simplest and safest answers are given to you by nature."
[YEA] 12/31/2010: Kj from Atlanta, Ga: "After my wife had four treatments of liquid nitrogen that did nothing but multiply the colony of warts on the bottom of her foot and cause unbelievable pain, I found this suggestion on this website. With a great deal of skepticism, she tried the banana peel recommendation. She scraped the inside of a banana peel, applied it to the warts, covered the area with half of a cotton ball, and used medical tape to hold it in place. She put on an old sock and went to sleep.It took about six months of a daily or every other day treatment to eradicate the entire colony, which covered half her foot. Some disappeared in days, some in weeks, and some in months, depending on surface area and depth. Some of those suckers were like pebbles."
[YEA] 02/27/2014: Racewife from New Jersey Shore: "Just started to try this...its been 2 days and today I can see a change! Nothing worked on this one. I have also tried dandelion juice with some luck, but not on this one. Thank you!"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 16:56:21 -0600
Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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02/27/2014: Amanda from United States: "Are we supposed to use regular 3% hydrogen peroxide or food grade hydrogen peroxide (35% diluted to 3%) to treat bacterial vaginosis? Just wondering because no one ever says and the food grade is $35+ and I'm basically poor. Lol."
02/27/2014: Joyce from Lansdowne, Pa: "I use regular 3% Hydrogen Peroxide. However, I find that when I use regular tap water it does not go away quickly. When I use it with distilled water I only have to use the solution once. I use it once per day for one or two days."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 16:54:58 -0600
Kristine"
Anyway, after about a week or two of these "episodes", my neck began to ache (all over, front and back) and my throat started to burn. It was awful. Gradually, I began feeling strange sensations in my tongue, which soon changed to a burning feeling- around the sides, at the tip, and even on the top. It was bizarre and terrifying to have such unusual symptoms. Eventually, my tongue even felt very sore, so sore that I talked a little funny at times (b/c I was "babying" my tongue, I think).
While experiencing all of this, between early-March and early-June 2012, I saw my PCP 3x, an ENT, a GI (APRN), and a neck/back specialist. (I also went to the ER once where I was seen, diagnosed with a sore throat, and sent home.) I felt terrible and was so desperate for some relief! (By the way, blood work and neck x-rays were negative.) A few docs, including the ER MD, felt I had a virus (for which I was first given Ibuprofen/Tylenol and later antibiotic treatments), then a few other docs suspected acid reflux. I couldn't believe that acid reflux could cause me to feel so terrible especially since I was unaware of any symptoms! Although I wanted to dismiss reflux as a possible cause, I was feeling desperate, so I tried whatever was recommended, including Maalox (2 tbsp) at bedtime (recommended by 1 ENT), then prescription medication (for reflux) in the A. M. (such as Aciphex), always 1/2 hour before breakfast (recommended by the GI APRN). With time, I felt a little improvement, but not much. So I continued to doubt the whole reflux theory; I spent so much time in fear that I had a serious illness. Why else would I feel so awful with such unusual symptoms?
Finally, my PCP sent me to a second ENT in early/mid June, about three weeks ago (for a second ENT opinion). He listened, answered all of my questions, and majorly eased my fears. While he suggested Burning Mouth Syndrome as a possibility (maybe caused by anxiety/depression, a hormonal imbalance or neuropathy), he too, felt that acid reflux might be the culprit and needed to be ruled out first. (Note: He didn't see signs and symptoms of a vitamin deficiency or thrush or lichen planus, which can cause burning mouth). He just asked me to be patient and follow his recommendations...
He seemed to be really knowledgeable; For one thing, I was impressed as he was the only doctor I saw who knew a considerable amount about BMS! (He said he had seen about 30 cases in 15 years, almost all women.) Anyway, he disagreed with the other ENT I had seen and the GI I had seen re: their treatment recommendations for possible reflux, at least in my case. He said that I had "silent reflux", which explained why I was unaware of any symptoms. He said that Maalox at bedtime wasn't enough, and taking medication in the a.m. (I. E. Aciphex) wasn't doing me any good as I was experiencing "silent reflux" at NIGHT. He recommended Zegrid (over the counter, 20 mg) for 4 weeks; he wanted me to take it in the evening rather than the a.m. Again, I was doubtful, wondering if, again, I was just wasting my time and money. (This has gotten quite expensive as I'm sure you can imagine! ) Anyway, it's been almost 3 weeks and I'm feeling MUCH, MUCH better! Seriously, I went from being on the verge of tears (almost nightly) due to tongue discomfort, and gargling with Maalox (and other remedies) multiple times a day to rarely thinking about my tongue (d/t a lack of discomfort) and no gargling (with one exception, which I'll mention in a minute). My pain, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) went from about an average of 8 to an average of 1 or 2! :) The choking feeling stopped first, then the burning in my throat went away; gradually, the aches and pains in my neck ceased, and finally my tongue burning and soreness subsided! But it did take time (3 weeks and counting) and patience like the doc said.
In short, I felt I just had to write and post on "Earth Clinic" b/c I had visited this website many times while trying to find relief for my burning/painful tongue. Others provided me with some helpful suggestions (and support), so I figured now it's my turn to (hopefully) help others.
In conclusion, here are my thoughts having been through this burning tongue/bottom lip/throat nightmare myself: First of all, while very uncomfortable, don't panic and don't think the worst (like I did). Be persistent (with your doctor), experiment with various remedies (from sucking on ice to gargling with Maalox), and, most importantly, be patient and positive (if at all possible)... Remember, it took 3 months for me to find a doctor with the right "remedy" and then weeks of using the this remedy (20 mg Zegerid OTC in the evening x 28 days) for me to feel ALMOST total relief. Seriously, I never thought I'd see this day (a couple of months back)!
Please note, I started taking folic acid and Vit. B Stress pills (in the A. M.) at about the same time I started taking Zegerid. I also started brushing my teeth (and gargling) with Biotene 2x/day awhile back. I figured I had nothing to lose. While I don't think I have (or ever had) a vitamin deficiency, I started taking vitamins b/c it was suggested by others with BMS symptoms. The ENT said my tongue would be bright red and shiny, which it wasn't, if I was suffering from a vitamin deficency. Just thought I should mention this anyway...
Good Luck to anyone suffering from a burning mouth/tongue. I know it's terrible, but I really think you can find some relief if you're able to get to the root of the problem. It may take awhile and, unfortunately, quite a bit of money, but it can be done, so please don't lose hope! Strive to meet with a doctor familiar with the various causes of BMS as this should save you a lot of time and unnecessary (and costly) doctor visits.
All My Best, Ashley"
11/22/2013: Kay from Bala Cynwyd, Pa: "To Judy from Australia- did you BMS stop? Your story sounds like mine."
02/21/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I am 46 years old and have had burning tongue/mouth syndrome for 2 years and 7 months and yes, have spent literally thousands of dollars on doctor/dentist/specialists, lab work, more lab work, etc and am currently on Dr. #11. My chiropractor/nutritionist is helping the most. My story is similar in that the burning mouth and neck pain started together. Sometimes things seem to help and then the burning comes back and progressively gets worse. I have tried every remedy out there and then some. I have cleaned my body of yeast, have lost 15 pounds on an already very slim frame, avoid sugars (except red wine in evening. It numbs my mouth and is my only source of relief), breads, found I am very allergic to all dairy and eggs and have slight to moderate allergies of many foods. I eat extremely healthy and am scared of literally everything I consume. I am perimenopausal and the burning tongue/mouth and neck pain started in the midst of my mother's decline in her long battle with COPD. Some doctors thought it was stress related and the burning would subside after she passed. She died 15 months ago and it has not left. I have not had a single day without burning in my mouth in 2 years and 7 months. I am going to try the Zegrid starting tonight. My chiropractor ran tests that show I am significantly lacking in progesterone and when I started the natural oil 2 weeks ago, it made a tremendous improvement in the burning sensation. 2 weeks on progesterone, then 2 weeks off. I just started the 2 weeks off, 2 days ago, and they burning returned with a vengeance. This is a horrible affliction. I can sympathize with those that end their lives over this. This is all consuming and prior to this affliction, I rarely visited doctors. There is so much more I could write but I will stop for now and check back in once I have gone through a few rounds of progesterone and a month of Zegrid. Wish me luck please. And luck to everyone out there who suffers from this devastating affliction. Thank you for sharing Ashley.Kristine"
02/21/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? Most of us are low on it and stress will cause you to burn through it. A quick google showed a study that found a connection between burning mouth and magnesium deficiency."
02/21/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Hi Kristine.Burning mouth seems to be a form of neuropathy. Burning is a common sensation of neuropathy, Maybe the myelin of the nerves is being destroyed. Have you tried the methylcobalamin, benfotiamine and R alpha lipoic acid remedies.
"In one study, researchers followed 42 women and 18 men with burning mouth syndrome. The patients were given either 200 mg of alpha lipoic acid or placebos three times daily for two months. Nearly all of the patients on alpha lipoic acid showed improvement compared to placebo, and 75 percent benefited substantially, with some experiencing complete recovery."
You mentioned that your mother who passed away had COPD. I am just curious what remedies she had tried."
02/22/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you both for your feedback. Yes, I have tried magnesium injections to no benefit. I have yet to try ALA but it did read very much about it on this site. My intention was to try the Zegerid at bedtime as Ashley had mentioned, give it a month, and if it did not help, switch to ALA. Or should I try the ALA first?Thinking it was a neuropathy, we tried gabapentin for several months increasing the dosage to 2600 mg but the side effects were worsening and my BTS/BMS did not improve, although it did in the beginning.
My mother did not have BTS, just COPD. She lived much longer than any doctor predicted and they were actually amazed b/c she lived for more than 2 years after she fell and broke her hip. At the time of her fall her lung capacity was 12.5%. She was on oxygen for 9 years prior to her death.
Thank you very much for any and all advice.
Kristine"
02/22/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Zegrid has serious side effects: easy bruising or bleeding, unusual weakness; fast or slow heartbeats; or low magnesium (dizziness, confusion, fast or uneven heart rate, jerking muscle movements, jittery feeling, muscle cramps, muscle weakness or limp feeling, cough or choking feeling, seizure) ... This isn't a drug you want to be on for the long term. Even if you do get some relief with it, I'd keep searching for something more natural.I'd make sure you use Right ALA. I'd go with right ALA first since your system may be more clean of medications."
02/23/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "To Kristine in Chicago.....try 1500 to 1800 mg of sustained release alpha lipoic acid along with a good b12 supplement....the ALA literally saved my life. It's not completely gone because I think part of mine is related to my thyroid, but I am living again. There are many medical studies related to ALA at that dosage and BMS. Good luck!"
02/24/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris from FL and Becca from Abilene: Thank you both so very much for your input. I started on the Zegerid 2 nights ago and changed my diet/lifestyle (once again) in the hopes of some relief. I have noticed a big difference in the chemistry of my mouth in the am, but the burning, albeit less, still persists (and I know this is not an over night solution). Given all of the information I am seeing posted re: ALA, I believe I can take this with the Zegerid. Is this correct? I want to give the Zegerid time to help with the reflux because after all of the research I have done on silent reflux (LBR), and my lifestyle and diet, I believe this could be the culprit. I have every symptom of LBR except heartburn, and I realize most people who suffer from LBR do not present with heartburn. So now I have changed my diet and eating habits (I was always a late dinner eater), switched to alkaline water, am taking the Zegerid and would like to add ALA but have seen varying posts about the dosage. I am 5'6 and 107 pounds currently. Also, the burning really returned with a vengeance after I stopped the progesterone oil at bedtime (2 weeks on and 2 weeks off). After researching the internet and talking with my chiropractor/nutritionist, I found that progesterone neutralizes acid in the esophagus and stomach. And is a natural stress reliever. Stress causes more acid reflux. Ugh! I am obsessed and all consumed with this condition. I cannot believe I still have it after this long. I feel as if I cannot move forward in life or honestly enjoy life to the fullest until I get this constant burning pain under control.Again, I really appreciate your input. I want to start on the ALA but need to be sure I am taking the correct dosage. And then again, I am concerned that starting on too many things (Zegerid, ALA and natural progesterone...which my doc says is very much needed as I am completely depleted of this hormone) will cause confusion as to which is beneficial for this condition, although all may be.
Thanks again!
Kristine"
02/24/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Kristine: 4oz canned sweet potatoes every other day makes progesterone. 1g hops extract prevents them from being aromatized."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I think the progesterone being a hormone would be the highest priority especially if you are depleted. Being depleted of any hormone could set off a chain reaction of problems in your body.I would stop taking the Zegerid and take the R-ALA. The other poster mentioned taking 1500-1800 grams and that being affective for her. I would consider that dosage since it was effective for her. They say that 300 grams is therapeutic dose. Start at 300 and work your way up. Maybe you won't need as high a dose. Even studies have used up to 1200mg for 3 weeks or so.
Experiment with Zegerid later. I'd be concerned about how the Zegerid interacts with the other two the most. I know you started it so may be pain to stop it but that is just my 2 cents worth."
02/25/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "I too am not a fan of the Zegarid....could actually compound the problem. You might try Mastic Gum..one capsule morning and evening....medically proven to heal stomach issues....took myself and worked great. As far as the dosage of ALA...most of the clinical trials said that some relief started at 600 mg....most got significant relief at 1200 to 1800 mg per day with no negative side effects noted and was studied for two years. I agree...start low and increase slow. My endo gave me progesterone capsules to take everyday...I take sporadically. Never heard of low progesterone being linked to BMS....but hormones do crazy things to the body so you never know. Hang in there...no one that has never experienced it can begin to understand what it does to the body and mind."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "Just for clarification. Are those doses of ALA the ALA or the R-ALA?"
02/26/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Prioris, Becca, and Mike62: Thank you so very much for all of your input and help you have shared. I really appreciate it. But I have to admit that I have stayed on the Zegerid at bedtime and the changes have been amazing. I have also committed to the diet and lifestyle of acid reflux sufferers, buying the book "Dropping Acid, The Reflux Diet Cookbook and Cure". I have nearly every symptom of this problem and medicine, namely Zegerid (1 of approx 5 listed) is needed to help alleviate the symptoms of Silent Reflux or LBR). LBR is different than GERD, that is why I was unaware of my condition. The changes since taking the Zegerid and changing my diet and eating habits is tremendous!!Additionally, progesterone is a natural stress reliever and acid reducer (namely in the stomach and esophagus). I found this through my own research and discussions with my chiropractor/nutritionist/hormone therapy doctor. At the onset of this illness I was in the throws of my mother (whom I shared an extremely close and loving relationship with) entering the downward spiral of COPD, and I was in periomenopause (where your hormones are on the decline), and also a single mother preparing to send my only daughter off to college...not to mention I decided to quit my job of 20 years and start up my own business. What a perfect storm of stress and hormone depletion!!
Needless to say....I am excited and thrilled to no end right now. As I type this I have zero burning in my mouth. Yesterday I experienced maybe 2 hours of slight burning (range of about 3 on pain level). My pain level prior to the Zegerid was running a 7-8, bringing me to tears and monopolizing my entire life daily. As Becca mentioned, no one knows what this can do to your mind and body.
Thank you all so very much again and I will continue to keep you posted. If I have indeed found my remedy, after nearly 2 years and 8 months, I certainly want to help others.
Kristine"
02/26/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I'll add one more thing you can do.Zegerid side effects may not be good for you long term. It may just mask the symptom and then boomerang on you later on. Research anectdotal reports of long term use of Zegerid and see what it is doing to other people so you can nip any problem in the bud.
I'd experiment with Stabilized Na R-ALA after you've had a good vacation from pain. If it works, it will be more healthier for your body over the long term. Good Luck."
02/27/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thanks Prioris. I will check back in to confirm how I am doing. I intend on adding the ALA in time (unless I go pain free for a very long period of time). I have only been on the Zegerid for 5 nights now. Burning now and then but remain hopeful. I know it takes takes weeks for full benefits of Zegerid to take effect. I do agree that possibly the stress and burning has caused damage to the myelin and therefore I will need the ALA. Either way, I will check back in. Again, many thanks to everyone.Kristine"
02/27/2014: Ed from Ct.: "Up until a few weeks ago, I had never heard of this. What I did come across was a show on TV that had featured something very similar. In this case the cause was the person's high blood pressure meds. When meds were changed the symptoms went away. Don't know if it will help but - something to consider."
02/27/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "It's ALA."
02/28/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "To Becca, Prioris and Ed: I am going out to get the ALA today. I did more research on Silent Reflux and BMS and find that some patients take the Zegerid and ALA together. They take the Zegerid to help control the reflux, and the ALA for the burning pain. Also, finding so many cases where BMS is directly related to Silent Reflux (LBR). Burning persists, at about a 1-3 today and yesterday....at least not the 7-8 I had been experiencing.Becca, how long did it take for the ALA to kick in and give you relief? I am going to start at 200mg 3x a day and increase it weekly until I get up to your recommended dosage. Prioris: I am having some of the side effects from the Zegerid but hope they will subside over time (headache, muscle cramping). The headache could be from not eating as well. So difficult to eat as it inevitably increases the burning. Certain foods make it very bad, while others not so bad. I am trying to be patient and let the meds and diet kick in.
Ed: I do not have high blood pressure but do appreciate your input. My blood pressure always runs on the low side. Unless the burning pain is high. At the onset of my neck pain and burning tongue I was on zero medications. Not a single one.
Thanks again everyone. I am determined and hopeful. I can function at a pain level of 1-3. When it creeps up to 7-8 that's when life gets very rough. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate all of your input. Please stay tuned as I feel I may have more questions. Thanks-
Kristine"
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I was desperate....I started out on 900mg of a high quality sustained release brand and I also wanted to get alkalined quickly so I drank 1/2 tsp of cooking grade baking soda in about 6 oz of water the first night right before I went to bed. I did the same thing the next morning. I took 600 mg that night...no baking soda. I did this for several days and then cut out the daily baking soda...just every few days if I have an acidic meal. I continue the 900 mg in the morning and another 600 in the afternoon. I saw results quickly....with 12 to 18 hours. I also us a liquid vitamin b supplement and take vitamin d....both very important in nerve conduction and neuropathy. Don't be afraid of the ALA...and definitely do the baking soda with it for the first few days."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "Today I gave someone from some ALA I had lying around - about 600mg - to try for their neuropathy. They experienced bad heart burn. It is better absorbed on empty stomach but some people need to take it with food. For people who haven't taken larger doses of ALA, it is something to be aware of.Stabilized Na R-ALA has the advantage of R-ALA. It also has contaminants removed. It suppose to have the highest bioavailability (40 to 60 percent more). It also suppose to NOT have heart burn and stomach upset properties of the other types. I ordered some Na R-ALA a couple days ago so will see how that does."
02/28/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris...am curious where you got information on the R ALA. None of the clinical studies I read mentioned a "stabilized" version of ALA. I would love to read up on it if you would share."
02/28/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "This goes into more details about Alpha Lipoic Acid and why you may want stabilized form. I hadn't looked into ALA for quite a few years and found out things I hadn't been aware of. http://claudiap.hubpages.com/hub/What-to-Be-Very-Careful-About-When-You-Get-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid"
03/01/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Prioris.....thanks for the info. Been reading up on it and have decided to give it a try. Just as DIM is the stable form of Indole Carbinol 3 ...which is what my doctor put me on years ago before the stabilized derivative was discovered..and is safer to use...i understand the stability issue of taking natural remedies. Although I have had great success with the ALA that I have been taking...there is still some unresolved issues and the brand that I trust also has the Stabalized R ALA and I should be able to take fewer tablets. Thanks again for the info....and God's health to you!"
03/01/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "In one brand of the Bioenhanced Stabilized Na R-ALA I saw a note for Burning Mouth Syndrome"Please note: For BMS (Burning Mouth Syndrome) we recommend you take 2 capsules 4 times a day until you see results. Then you can reduce the amount slowly until you see what works for you.
1 capsule = 150mg"
03/02/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "I picked up the only ALA I could find at the Vitamin Shop. There were 2 types and I bought both. One is a triple strength ALA rapid release at 300mg and the other is a maximum strength ALA at 600mg. Started on it yesterday afternoon. I could not find any type of stabilized R ALA, but maybe I could order once I finish the supply I have.I am feeling very hopeful. I continue with the Zegerid for now, 20mg 2x a day and muscle cramping has ceased, with occasional headaches remaining. Prioris and Becca: Do you suggest then that I take 300mg of the ALA 4x a day to start then? I am basing this on your recent suggestion. I started yesterday with the 600mg straight off and like you said Becca, I had adverse stomach reactions which subsided over time but I was very happy with the level of burning. I would put it at a 1 yesterday. Yesterday was a very good day.
Becca: I have been on sub-lingual vitamin B-12 with folic acid for quite some time and my blood test results always show that I am running high on all vitamin B's. My doc stresses to keep up on this supplement. She also recently added vitamin D to my regime as I am running on the low end of the scale.
My vitamins and supplements were recently scaled back largely and at this time I am taking the following: Juice Plus, vitamin B-12 with folic acid (2 tablets under the tongue 2x a day), Vitamin D every other day, fish oil, Etodolac 400mg mostly in the mornings for maintenance of arthritis pain in neck (if it's bad in the evening as well), and Norco 5 for emergency tongue pain and/or neck pain. I do my best not to take this unless necessary as I realize what an awful drug this is. It does help tremendously when my tongue/mouth burning is bad. If the tongue burning goes over a pain level of 5 I will take one. Without fail it always brings the burning down to a 1-2.
Thanks so much to both of you. You are God's sends, without a doubt.
Kristine"
03/02/2014: Becca from Abilene, Tx: "Kristine....I take my ALA twice a day....900 mg in the morning (3 x 300mg) and another 300 to 600 mg in the afternoon depending on how I feel. Vitamin D is crucial....at one time I was on a prescription of one a week at 100,000 I.u. Later, my doctor said I could just take OTC.....I take 1000 I.u. daily. I was taking several different supplements daily and ended up getting some imbalances. Now, I know this may sound weird, but I decided that I needed one balanced supplement that gave me everything I need and settled on a well known brand of pre natal vitamin with DHA. I take the above dose of ALA, vitamin D, and the pre natal. I feel better all over, energy is great, and the imbalances are re-balancing. I have layed off of the extra sublingual B for the moment...will let my body tell me when I need it. I am going to change to the stabilized ALA...found my brand on amazon...to see if I see any better results. when I have a burning flare up, I take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water to alkalize quickly. This has always alleviated the burn quickly. I also rinse my mouth with soda water at night after brushing my teeth."
03/02/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa: "I would order the Stabilized version of Na R-ALA just based on the research. I realized you already spent money and bought something and want to use it up but I'd bite the bullet and order the stabilized form. You can test it side by side. You want to stop the BMS first and then you can maybe use up the ALA later while on maintenance.You have to take at least 1200 mg of ALA (and that may include side effects also) to even begin to hope to match the Stabilized Na R-ALA form but the stabilized version has much higher bioavailability. So it is probably between 5 to 40 times better than ALA so that makes purchasing ALA a waste of money. I can't verify at the moment whether it is 40 times.
Research has shown that unstabilized ALA absorbs better than unstabilized R-ALA so forget about unstabilized R-ALA.
Someone mentioned that sustained release form worked best. That is what helps maintain the levels in blood stream. That is probably the reason why they recommended taking it 4 times a day in NON-sustained release form. This is something to take into account when treating oneself to rid yourself of the painful symptoms.
They also had a dosage of 1200mg to 1800mg of ALA as effective. At least 600 mg of ALA was starting point for therapeutic effects. The stabilized form could cut that dose down to between 300 mg to 900 mg.
"Most ALA supplements sold today contain a 50/50 mixture of natural (R-Lipoic) and unnatural (S-Lipoic) Lipoic Acid. The S-Lipoic Acid form, which is not found in nature, is a byproduct of chemical synthesis.
Research indicates that not only does the human body have difficulty absorbing this unnatural version, it may actually inhibit the most essential properties of the R-Lipoic Acid form.
The “R” form is considered the biologically superior form because it is identical to the ALA produced by the body.
Unfortunately, without special processing, R-Lipoic Acid is highly unstable and difficult to absorb.
This problem has been solved with the introduction of Bio-Enhanced? R-Lipoic Acid, the world’s first stabilized RLA." Geronova is one of the companies doing research into this."
03/03/2014: Kristine from Chicago, Illinois: "Thank you so much. Prioris, will do re: the Stabilized ALA. I feel so much better, it's amazing. Becca, I failed to mention that I have been brushing my teeth with baking soda only, dating back to June. I tried to switch back to regular toothpaste a few weeks ago but couldn't handle the increased burning. I've had 3 great days in a row (I would rank my burning pain at a 0-2 all day long) and have had no need for Norco. I am drinking only alkaline water, rather than regular bottled water since last week and will try your remedy next time the burning increases, but hoping there isn't a next time. I also added back in an occasional glass of red wine (not suppose to have alcohol on reflux diet) as I have to say I do love it, and it completely takes away the burning.So to sum it up for any other sufferers, I currently have been on the Zegerid for 8 days at 20mg 2X a day, started the anti-reflux diet and alkaline water at same time, and have added ALA at 1,200mg per day 2 days ago. I have to reiterate how the chemistry of my mouth has completely changed since starting the Zegerid and diet, amongst so many other Silent Reflux symptoms diminishing.
I remain very hopeful, positive and blessed to regain control and have my life back. I cannot give enough thanks to EarthClinic for hosting this site, Ashley for her original posting, and Prioris and Becca for staying with me and helping so very much. 2 years and 8 months now, 11 or more doctors later, and finally, some hope for relief of this horribly chronic burning pain.
Kristine"
Re: Methylene Blue for Candida
Thu, 27 Feb 14 16:52:35 -0600
P.S when I take it in strong doses your urine turns blue for about a day, but when you stop taking it it turns back to normal & I take vit C 500-1000 mill and have had no problems with my eye coloring, which I also heard is reversible if you should happen to have that happen to you."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 16:51:14 -0600
I don't think there is a connection between the DMSO and Lemon juice and what you have experienced and described here. I have done some pretty crazy stuff with DMSO and I have not experienced anything like what you have described as a result. From my experience DMSO does nothing but good and positive things for the body of the man. It is a non synthetic product, I.e. not made by man. I've taken DMSO with water and vitamins, and Omega 3 fats and magnesium and cayenne extract and glycerine and I've had it before and after drinking apple cider vinegar (Malic acid). And I am not done experimenting. I have tried one (1) ounce of 99.99 pure DMSO in 20 ounces of distilled water twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the after noon. I have consumed about 2 quarts of pure DMSO since I began posting here and I haven't been posting here for that long."
I have some questions concerns aboat DMSO mixed with lemon juice. ever since first reading the book DMSO Natures Healer, and reading hundreds of personal testimonials I started to take 99.99% DMSO on and off over the years. I take it both topically and internally, making sure to dilute it down to 70% or less. I take it to try and relieve the aches and pains of life...surfing and rock climbing. As prevention to the calcification that comes with aging. I take it because I completely trust and believe in it's curative powers and health benefits.
Aboat two weeks ago I topically applied a mixture of DMSO 70% with fresh squeezed lemon juice, fresh aloe Vera pulp, and magnesium chloride oil to my head, face, neck back, chest and stomach. Then the next day, I had severe shooting pains in my stomach in the large colon area. Excuse me for being so graphic...lots of diarrhea, gas and the need to go to defecate many times a day. But I have no acid reflux. And otherwise my body feels great. This has been going on now for the last two weeks. I am concerned because I have never had any stomach problems in the past. I have been a vegetarian for the last 25 years, feeling strong and healthy with lots of energy. my digestion has always been good and regular. I eat very well, try and keep well hydrated and most importantly try to feed my mind positivity, love and kindness.
My question is ...what is going on down inside of my guts? I spent the last year in south east Asia, and six months in India. But I had no health issues. I didn't get sick. I am thinking that it may be the result of adding the lemon juice. I say that only because I have never added lemon juice to the equation topically. I have in the past ingested DMSO with MMS and lemon juice and or citric acid but I have never applied it topically. And also I have in the past practically bathed my whole body in DMSO from head to foot, with no negative side effects. So I am thinking that maybe the combination is awaking and or battling parasites or worms that I wasn't even aware of having. maybe all this funkiness is my colon cleaning itself out. But I have done several colon cleanses over the years and experimented with all kinds of natural medicines and cures. I don't know. I can't help but be concerned that maybe it was not a good idea to put this combination directly over my belly. I am concerned that maybe the pure undigested lemon juice, is burning my colon.
I will be doing a "complete dry fast" no water, no food over the coming weekend. I am curious to see if it will help to resolve or at least alleviate my upset belly.
If anyone has any thoughts aboat this. Questions and or comments, I would really appreciate it.
I am a big advocate of DMSO and MMS ...as well as fresh squeezed lemon juice ....yummm. I drink it every day.
Again thanks to everyone. Thank you Ted. Thank you Earth Clinic
all my best to everyone......Justin"
02/13/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc: "Hello Justin,I, too, am a DMSO advocate and use it regularly as you use it topically and internally and have done so "off and on" as you said.
While it's natural to think of "association" as "causation" .... my first take on your reaction is that the cause is not...NOT.... the DMSO combo. It just so happened that a case of Montezuma's revenge hit you at about the same time that you took the DMSO combo.
As evidence, if the DMSO were the cause, you would have been over it in a day or two. But the fact that you continue to suffer tells me you have a very bad case of bacterially induced gastro infection.
And you're living in Mexico. I visited Albania/Romania a year ago and had read in the autobiography "MD" which is the life of a parasitalogist that Montezuma's is actually world wide and can be caused by bacteria and virus. There is a lot around the Mediterranean as well as Latin America. Well, it hit me in a big way, but I was expecting it....never felt anything like it before; like a fist in my stomach and I went straight to my Apple Cider Vinegar ..... and bought more a few days later. Avoided the huge consequences, but barely.
Maybe I'm wrong...and I look forward to see what others say. But a die off? I don't think so.
Get on ACV asap... two tablespoons in glass of water...drink over an hour...repeat two hours later. See if that improves and if so, you will know the cause was pathogens and not DMSO.
PS....I have NEVER had any adverse reaction with DMSO...and taken it for decades."
02/13/2014: Nanowriter from Hotspot, Texas: "Justin, I think you delivered a huge shot of magnesium to your body. DMSO plus magnesium plus large amount of body coverage. It's possible the magnesium is causing the gas and diarrhea. For two weeks--seems like a long time--but it was probably a lot of magnesium! Nothing to worry about--it is pretty benign."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello to Dave at Fountain Inn.Thanks so much for yor response. Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I just broke my first fast- a 72 hour dry fast. Wow. That was by far one of the most intense experiences that I have ever willingly put myself through. Especially because for the last two weeks my bowels were totally out of wack and having so much diarea. I think I went into the fast very much dehydrated. Then on top of that I am and always have been very thin with probably -50 % body fat. So I immediately turned into a living skeleton. That is why I didn't continue. I was in fact feeling really good. No healing reactions to speak of. actually I had a surprising amount of mental and physical energy. at times I felt like I was flying. And my bowels feel much better, having given them a vacation. But in the end I just let myself be consumed by fantasies of water, flowing rivers and pools of sweet colorful juice. I was living always just out of reach of the most mouth life saving mirage. And finally on the third night when I first looked at myself in the mirror I was shocked to see the grissle I had reduced myself too. I was thinking to continue fasting but I was concerned that if I passed through another night I just may disappear all together.
Now I am two days into breaking the fast. Slowly slowly. chewing my water and fresh coconut water. Yesterday I drank a the juice of the most heavenly watermelon. Today more water, coconut water and maybe some mango juice. mmmm I can't wait.
you may be right Dave aboat the Montezuma's Revenge. I have never had it before so it very well could be that. last month I inquired at a few "naturista" - health food/ supplement stores for ACV. I thought maybe I could get the good organic stuff, but they didn't have it. I was told that I could find it in the supermarket. Would definitely prefer the organic. Man that stuff is delicious. Now after spending more time on this Earth Clinic web site, I have read aboat how many people are using ACV for everything under the sun. So I will definitely try to get my hands on some.
That's cool that your were in Romania and Albania. Man I have wanted to check out Romania and that part of the world for quite some time. I hope to get over to Europe this summer to walk El Camino de Santiago. Then after was thinking that I could slowly make my way over to Macedonia and then maybe Bulgaria and then possibly winter over in Romania....hahaha, wouldn't that be nice and bone chilling. then pass the spring somewhere in Albania. Yes it is a very nice "what if" journey. I know one could spend a life time exploring each one of those countries, so maybe I'll make it to Macedonia and never leave.
Cool man. hey thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it. And like I said I am a big fan of DMSO. I am very curious to personally witness her healing powers in the future. If I may ask, why have you been using DMSO?
Yes this is a wonderful site. It feels like a community with concerned people trying to help each other out....such a beautiful thing. I spent a considerable amount of time reading aboat peoples personal testimonials using all kinds of treatments. most recently I have been reading all that I can on the uses of Turpentine for healing. I always thought it was poison but I see know that I was wrong. So I would love to get my hands on the purest Turpentine. As well as Fulvic acid/ Shilagit.....Nascent Iodine, Ormus. The list goes on.
Ok Dave, all the very best to you.....Justin"
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Nanowriter from Hotspot Texas,Thanks for your reply concerning whether or not I funked my stomach up with the lemon juice/ DMSO combination. And sorry aboat not responding sooner.
Yes you maybe right aboat the dose of transdermal magnesium. I have not been using it for very long. Several times I have given my body a very lite all over with it mixed with DMSO and had no adverse reactions. But yes it could very well be as you've said.
I recently just did a three day dry fast. No food no water. I feel like my entire being just went through the fire so to speak. So I will see, now that I am drinking water and juice for the next few days how my guts respond.
Yes as you said it isn't anything to serious. All is good.
Alright then, I wish you a wonderful day and many days to come....justin"
02/21/2014: Dave from Foun Tain Inn, Sc: "Hello Justin, I use DMSO anytime I want to carry a substance through skin...like colloidal silver. On the subject of ACV, you can use the kind you buy in grocery store. I have used both kinds...And grocery store works also...Normally use organic but either works...at least for me to kill infections."
02/21/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi, my question is to all who have taken DMSO internally and Bill / Ted if they too have tried internally. Has any body noticed it's effect on the blood pressure, whether it lowers it or it tends to increase it. I would like to know it's effect on systolic as well as diastolic blood pressure. My view is, it should help in high BP to reduce it. Kindly those who are taking DMSO internally for other reasons, please monitor your blood pressure and revert back with your experience. it will help many others the use of DMSO. Thanks.Baldev"
[YEA] 02/27/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "Directed to Justin from Mexico.I don't think there is a connection between the DMSO and Lemon juice and what you have experienced and described here. I have done some pretty crazy stuff with DMSO and I have not experienced anything like what you have described as a result. From my experience DMSO does nothing but good and positive things for the body of the man. It is a non synthetic product, I.e. not made by man. I've taken DMSO with water and vitamins, and Omega 3 fats and magnesium and cayenne extract and glycerine and I've had it before and after drinking apple cider vinegar (Malic acid). And I am not done experimenting. I have tried one (1) ounce of 99.99 pure DMSO in 20 ounces of distilled water twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the after noon. I have consumed about 2 quarts of pure DMSO since I began posting here and I haven't been posting here for that long."
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "Man from Sojouring America: Hi, would you mind sharing the results of all of your DMSO experiments?I would love to hear and compare. For example, one night I took a table spoon mixed in some water and made me have such a relaxed sleep!!!!"
02/28/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi, So many of you have been using DMSO internally and I have requested all of you to give your feed back as to how does it effect the blood pressure. I request all of you to kindly monitor your BP and let us know it's effect on systolic and diastolic blood pressure. ThanksBaldev"
03/02/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Baldev...It's very timely that you have asked about DMSO's effect on blood pressure. For the last 3 days I have been experimenting with supplementing just one teaspoon of 100% DMSO on its own(outside mealtimes) per day with a glass of water. Out of interest, I have been measuring my BP every day with a wrist monitor. My normal blood pressure is 110/70. After I started taking the DMSO I found that my BP didn't vary at all from my normal readings. I measured my BP about an hour after taking the DMSO. I am also going to try adding lugol's iodine and other nutrients individually to the oral DMSO to see its effects on my body.It's well known that Dr Stanley Jacobs, who is the guru on the use of DMSO since the 70s, has been taking one teaspoon of DMSO everyday with a glass of water for decades. He maintains that DMSO is one of the best antioxidants on the planet. DMSO also contains sulfur which is anti-aging and acts as an efficient detoxer for the body. When it is oxidized, DMSO becomes MSM(also known as DMSO2 or methylsufonylmethane) another highly useful nutrient for the body. The FDA, the drugs companies and the medical profession all hate DMSO's unique and highly useful transdermal carrier properties. After all, if you could use something like DMSO to deliver drugs and nutrients directly through the skin and into the blood -- then people could easily doctor themselves at home very cheaply because this would make the necessity for injections redundant -- just think of the money stream lost from the medical profession because of this. And that's only one very good reason to use DMSO."
03/02/2014: Baldev from Maharashtra, India: "Hi Bill, Thanks a lot for the prompt reply and congratulations for having 110/70 as your normal BP. Don't you think that the body's defense system may not allow DMSO to bring the BP further down, where as if the BP readings were say 180/100, it would bring it to 150/90, just my guess. Kindly comment on this when ever you get an opportunity to use it on some one who has high BP. My feeling is DMSO must help in bringing the BP down and it is a better bet then taking beta blockers or any other medication. ThanksBaldev"
03/04/2014: Bill from San Fernado, Philippines: "Hi Baldev...Unfortunately, I have not read any actual research of DMSO being used to bring down blood pressure but I have found testimonials that seems to confirm that it can help to lower higher blood pressure. There is research here which seems to suggest that DMSO is particularly good at reducing spinal pressure and high blood pressure in the brain after injury -- this is mainly due to DMSO's ability to open up blood vessels. It is also a strong antioxidant. Its most key and unique feature is as a transdermal carrier of nutrients (which are not normally well absorbed by the skin) from the skin directly into the blood in high amounts. It appears to be the case that DMSO will carry most chemicals/nutrients that have a molecular weight of below 1000.So if you want large amounts of nutrients like iodine, niacin, vitamin c, glutathione or even ALA delivered locally in much higher quantities into the blood than from the intestines via digestion, then using DMSO will do it without problems.
One thing that I've also learned from using DMSO transdermally is that you should not really use DMSO as a transdermal carrier to put acid forms of nutrients directly into the blood using DMSO -- examples of such acid nutrients being Ascorbic Acid, Alpha Lipoic Acid, citric acid, ACV(It's acid!! ) etc. Always use the chemical salt forms which are the product of Acid/Alkali reactions, which tend to be much more alkaline and safer.
Generally, I usually always add a couple of drops lugols iodine to the DMSO whenever I'm using it transdermally with other nutrients -- the iodine will kill the pathogens topically on the skin so that these live pathogens are not also dragged into the blood to perhaps cause more problems in the body. So Iodine is my added disinfectant whenever I use DMSO on the skin. Hydrogen peroxide is another one you can use to pre-disinfect the skin area before DMSO use. After using the DMSO on the skin, its also best to rub in aloe vera oil to help prevent any itching, dryness or irritation caused by the DMSO."
[YEA] 03/06/2014: Man from Sojouring America: "Directed to Baldev from Maharashtra, India and Mary from Saskatchewan, CanadaI have no idea what my blood pressure is in terms of numbers. Here is how I know if a something works for me or not, I know how I feel. When I lie to sleep and if I can't relax then I know there is something wrong. If I don't fall asleep or can't get comfortable then I know I have to look carefully at what I did that day.
A very good example of this and I have repeated this over the course of years because sometimes I forget how MSG affects me. If I eat a product containing MSG I can't sleep, I can't relax. It feels like high blood pressure but I can't prove it cause I have not tested it.
I have put some of my writings at http://hebrewofyhwh.wordpress.com/chapter-9-health-and-healing-issues-for-the-man-of-yhwh/"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 10:20:01 -0600
Would your nephew happen to still be breastfeeding? Toddlers can be completely sustained on breastmilk alone. My oldest child was unable to take any solids in until he was 16 months old. All of his nutrition came from human milk and he was and still is quite healthy. (He is 20 now.) The only concern for a one year old tends to be that breastmilk is low in iron. A half a teaspoon of blackstrap molasses twice a day would be some assurance there against low iron.
If not, goat milk might be an option for him. (It is much less likely to cause allergy issues than cows milk.) Raw would be ideal, but not accessible to most people, and you would want to know that it had been handled properly.
Even if there is no option for milk, he should be able to get plenty of nutrition other ways. Because of observed dairy sensitivities, I have been very slow to introduce milk and dairy to my toddlers. One of my children was weaned at a year and I did not give her dairy. But she did very well on grains, meats, fruits and vegetables.
There are lots of grains other than wheat that can be used for carbohydrates instead of wheat, as Mmsg mentions - quinoa, millet, and rice. My toddlers have all loved oatmeal.
Does he do well with fruits and vegetables? Meats and eggs? (Though sometimes children with allergies avoid or limit eggs, I believe?)
If he does not have molars yet, a baby food grinder or small food processor will make it easier to get food mashed up for him to consume.
Let us know what you find that works well for him!
~Mama to Many~"
02/25/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Sonja, rice (or rice baby cereal), millet, quinoa (ground or not before cooking), any veggie (pureed or not), fruit, eggs, meat, chicken, etc. For example, you can blend some chicken with veggies from a well cooked chicken soup, for a complete meal for him."
02/27/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Sonja,Would your nephew happen to still be breastfeeding? Toddlers can be completely sustained on breastmilk alone. My oldest child was unable to take any solids in until he was 16 months old. All of his nutrition came from human milk and he was and still is quite healthy. (He is 20 now.) The only concern for a one year old tends to be that breastmilk is low in iron. A half a teaspoon of blackstrap molasses twice a day would be some assurance there against low iron.
If not, goat milk might be an option for him. (It is much less likely to cause allergy issues than cows milk.) Raw would be ideal, but not accessible to most people, and you would want to know that it had been handled properly.
Even if there is no option for milk, he should be able to get plenty of nutrition other ways. Because of observed dairy sensitivities, I have been very slow to introduce milk and dairy to my toddlers. One of my children was weaned at a year and I did not give her dairy. But she did very well on grains, meats, fruits and vegetables.
There are lots of grains other than wheat that can be used for carbohydrates instead of wheat, as Mmsg mentions - quinoa, millet, and rice. My toddlers have all loved oatmeal.
Does he do well with fruits and vegetables? Meats and eggs? (Though sometimes children with allergies avoid or limit eggs, I believe?)
If he does not have molars yet, a baby food grinder or small food processor will make it easier to get food mashed up for him to consume.
Let us know what you find that works well for him!
~Mama to Many~"
Salt Crystal Inhaler for Nasal Polyps
Thu, 27 Feb 14 09:42:05 -0600
The BEST news of all though is that over the past couple of days I have actually had a faint sense of smell coming back! I first smelt a faint coffee smell, then today I was cooking and all day I have smelt garlic and the cooking smell. It's still only faint but it's definitely coming back! This has been the best treatment I've tried so far, and believe me I've tried a few on here - cider vinegar, tea tree oil, etc. I am still on my nasal spray which is prescribed, but it's actually able to spray up my nose at last, instead of hitting the polyps and dripping back out. I would say that the salt inhaler is having the same effect as when I've used steroids in the past, but the massive difference here is that the salt is 100% safe and natural. I read how it works and it's something like the crystals are totally untreated in the natural form, and when inhaled into the lungs particles coat the lungs and airways to fight bacteria and dry up mucus. Only need to use for 30 minutes a day, and breathe out through nose (this was hard at first due to the obstructions, but I persevered and it has got easier each day). The feeling I get after using the inhaler is it feels cold on my chest, like I've been up in the mountains on a really crisp clear day, or been by the sea breathing in the windy air."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 09:38:13 -0600
I use it in the evening, so that I don't walk around smelling like a croissant all day. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) :)
I also take a teaspoon of ghee by mouth every day. I use it as a carrier for my turmeric/black pepper/ginger mixture.
I put about a teaspoon of the dry mixture on a soup spoon, then add a teaspoon of ghee and mix it right on the spoon. Then, down the hatch with a water chaser. Good stuff!"
02/25/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Mary, try organic coconut oil."
02/25/2014: Courtney from Granite Bay, Ca: "I am your age and after a lot of research, I recently tried dry-brushing the skin on my face with a natural bristle brush. You brush section by section, first horizontally, then vertically, then diagonally.I know that it seems counterintuitive to brush the skin on your face, since we've always been told to be gentle with that skin, but the dry-brushing has helped to soften fine lines by plumping the skin (stimulates collagen/cell turnover) and it gives a nice glow. I follow it with a hyaluronic acid serum, then a moisturizer on top of that.
If you go to YouTube and put 'dry brushing face' in the search box, you'll find some tutorials and additional information. I've also found face exercises beneficial. YouTube is a good source for tutorials on those, too.
I am very pleased so far, and am looking forward to increased results with time because I just recently started. With both the brushing and the exercises, diligence is key. I read that it takes 6-8 weeks to see significant improvement, but I've seen improvement already and it's only been about 2 weeks.
For moisture, I know that many here suggest coconut oil, jojoba oil, etc. but I haven't found them to be all that effective on my skin. I have tried many natural oils but always end up returning to a non-natural moisturizer."
02/25/2014: Prioris from Fl: "I would look into different types of collagen related supplements and 8mg to 12 mg astaxanthin."
02/27/2014: Liz from Boston, Massachusetts: "I've found that ghee works well for both moisturizing and for plumping up fine lines. I make my own; it's so easy and inexpensive.I use it in the evening, so that I don't walk around smelling like a croissant all day. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) :)
I also take a teaspoon of ghee by mouth every day. I use it as a carrier for my turmeric/black pepper/ginger mixture.
I put about a teaspoon of the dry mixture on a soup spoon, then add a teaspoon of ghee and mix it right on the spoon. Then, down the hatch with a water chaser. Good stuff!"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 08:06:42 -0600
02/27/2014: Amanda from United States: "Are we supposed to use regular 3% hydrogen peroxide or food grade hydrogen peroxide (35% diluted to 3%) to treat bacterial vaginosis? Just wondering because no one ever says and the food grade is $35+ and I'm basically poor. Lol."
02/27/2014: Joyce from Lansdowne, Pa: "I use regular 3% Hydrogen Peroxide. However, I find that when I use regular tap water it does not go away quickly. When I use it with distilled water I only have to use the solution once. I use it once per day for one or two days."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 08:05:57 -0600
08/08/2011: Kay from In The Valley, Ca: "Was it baking powder or baking soda that you used? I don't think they are interchangeable. Thanks."
02/27/2014: God Made Natural Cures. from Los Angeles, Ca: "Baking powder might work better than soda because the corn starch is soothing. You can make your own baking powder without aluminum. Recipe is one part baking soda, one part corn starch, and 2 parts cream of tartar. I make small batches and keep them in my old baking powder can. No preservatives and yet I have had none go bad."
Thu, 27 Feb 14 08:05:31 -0600
04/07/2010: Faithinhealing from Forest Park, Ohio, Usa: "Hello, I believe that you are onto something about the fluoride poisoning and chronic fatigue syndrome. At the same time that I became ill, I started noticing spots on my daughters teeth. Unfortunately, I have not only dealt with chronic fatigue but extreme mood swings, mental illness, etc., I think all a result of fluoride poisoning.
I started a detox recently and started drinking distilled water, immediately within days I felt better on the distilled water. I then started to detox my body using kelp and that has helped my body too.
I also have added the alkalyzing protocols of Teds's, adding baking soda to my acv or lemon twice a day and that has even further helped the chronic fatigue.
I'm in the process of getting a filtering system put into my home, I would recommend others look into this! This fluroide is killing people and the cities keep adding it back to the water, I don't understand it!"
04/03/2011: Ellen from Denton, Tx: "IMHO there are several holes in the fluoride connection logic. For me personally, I've known about the dangers of fluoride for years and avoided it persistently. I have done detoxes, too. I still have CFS but am responding quite well to anti-viral, antibacterial treatment and megadoses of vitamin C via IV. Also, CFS/fibromyalgia has been around for centuries. Fluoride water treatment, toothpastes, and medication haven't. If anybody would address these issues I would be more than happy to change my mind."
02/27/2014: Messenger from La: "I absolutely believe that fluoride chemical makes us sick. We are lucky to have fluoride voted down here, This is interesting I read that Dr David Bell made a striking discovery on the cause of Chronic Fatique Syndrome there is a cause, the blood circulation blood value and plasma is not circulating the way it should be that CFIDS may have "extraordinarily" low circulating blood volume this is NOT low blood pressure. What would cause that toxins or a deficiency maybe a microscopic bacteria or an infection?"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 08:04:40 -0600
Mr Prakash has generously allowed me to describe how successful he has been in curing his own son of parasites, candida and Autism.
Briefly, the initial protocol he followed was the MMS/CDS protocol(Miracle Mineral Solution -- Chlorine Dioxide protocol) as used by Kerri Rivera. He used this protocol for a couple of months and achieved an 80% improvement in the cognitive abilities of his own son who is autistic. But Mr Prakash told me that the effects of the MMS protocol then plateaued and he could not get any further improvement with his son which is why he contacted me because he had read my book on and he wanted advice on turpentine. With using just the MMS/CDS protocol there would always be parasites etc in the stool -- his child's stool was never really completely clear of parasites despite the improvement. So I advised that the turpentine protocol would also kill parasites/candida and would be much more efficient at removing candida biofilms.
He also contacted Walter Last, a well respected healer, who sent him a protocol for his son which included Iodine, Borax and turpentine or kerosene. I also advised that he should now stop the MMS protocol and just concentrate on using Walter Last's advised protocol which is a solid protocol for a child with few side-effects. Here is Walter Last's protocol and advice against parasites and candida:
* Make a jar of the following mix. You can use any kind of liquid, like water, cold or warm herbal tea, very diluted vegetable juice with a little bit of apple added for taste. Combine the chosen liquid with 1 tbsp of the borax concentrated solution, to this add a 1/3 tsp (1 gram) of Sodium ascorbate, ? tsp (2 grams )each of MSM, L-glutamine and Sodium bicarbonate. You may add a tsp of glycerine to sweeten it. Nirekh needs to sip this throughout the day. Alternatively, it can be mixed with food or drink.
* Start with a much smaller amount and gradually over 2 weeks increase to the full dose. If any reactions or problems arise with this cut back again to a small amount and then gradually increase again.
* 1 drop of Lugols’ solution in food or drink in the morning. A low-level B complex vitamin tablet crushed up and mixed with several meals during the day. It can also be added to the above drink. 3 x a day rub the abdomen with diluted DMSO (50%). You can continue periodically with MMS/CDS, but best to give it a rest for a while. Borax is excellent against parasites.
* Start using kerosene with 1 drop and gradually increase to half a tsp once a day. A suitable low-odour product in the US is Klean-Strip 1 Kerosene, see www.wmbarr.com/product.aspx?catid=35&prodid=71; you can get it at Wal-Mart and various hardware stores. It is easiest to take after coating the tongue with molasses, and taking it diluted half and half with olive oil. Eat something afterwards. The same for gum turpentine which may be used once or twice a week instead of kerosene.
The mother, and most likely the whole family, might have Candida problems. It would be recommended, especially for the mother, that some antimicrobial treatment to be implemented as well. Adults may take higher doses of the recommended remedies.
Mr Prakash contacted me because I use the turpentine protocol in my book against candida. He read about this in my book and wanted advice. He ended up giving his son 1/2 teaspoon turpentine a day. He has only been giving his son this amount for 3 weeks.
He has further reported that for the first week on the turpentine protocol there was an extremely large sudden discharge of worms/parasites -- larger than normal. He also mentioned that other strange stuff came out with his son's poop (which did not occur with the MMS protocol). Mr Prakash was sure that this stuff was candida biofilms. Then, in the third week of the turpentine protocol -- the child's poop had no parasites or strange discharges -- just normal poop.
For any doubters, Mr Prakash also sent me over 30 photos of his son's poop. In one photo there was a ropeworm which was over 20 inches long. He also sent me a video of his autistic son as he is now. The child was happily playing with toys, plenty of energy, no pain, he wasn't shy or withdrawn and there was plenty of eye contact -- just like a normal 2 year old boy. Mr Prakash is thoroughly convinced that this acceleration in improvement of his son's health is mainly due to the effects of MMS and turpentine. He continues using just the turpentine protocol now (with breaks) as well as Walter Last's protocol for his son.
This wonderful news and evidence also further demonstrates and proves to me that both parasites and candida are key causative factors for serious diseases like Autism. Another fact -- Mr Praksh's son was given large amounts of anti-biotics at birth -- anti-biotics are, perhaps, the top major cause of candida infections today.
So to help cure autism -- just use a protocol that removes parasites and candida efficiently and successfully and you will have vast improvement if not a complete cure from Autism.
I've reported this testimonial not just to further highlight the benefits of pure gum spirits of turpentine but also as further proof of safety with its proper use."
01/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Bill. The link to this post was finally fixed by EC so I can now view this great success story. You had provided this link for me from our other candida protocol discussion. This leads me to a question about our son. He's 12 years old & suffers from ADHD, Asberger's Syndrome, and low level Tourette Syndrome.Would this protocol be efficient for treating that combination of mental sickness? Our son has been on quite a bit of anti-biotics. We've tried numerous natural approach remedies as well as prescription meds. Nothing to date has helped him. Right now, we don't have him on any meds or natural remedies.
What's your opinion on the best route of treatment for him? I'm already using the turpentine myself so getting him to take it shouldn't be too much a problem since he sees me using it. I know taste will be the biggest problem for him. Thanks again Bill for your time & God Bless!"
01/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hey again Bill! With my health problems I forgot about replying to this a couple weeks ago. Could you please respond back about my question regarding our son? We would like to get him on something. We've tried numerous things without success. Hopefully, with your advise and guidance we can get him turned around. He's getting into a lot of trouble at school and on the verge of being sent to alternative school.We're doing our best with him. We want to use only natural remedies. He's already tried enough prescription meds. We took him off them about 2 years ago. We've tried to deal with his problems by therapy and alternative remedies but they too haven't worked. We just haven't came across the right treatment option(s).
We're believing in God to do that! Turpentine might be the answer for him. I just know how difficult it would be for him to ingest this stuff. He's so picky anyhow with food. Maybe mixing it with juice/food would do the trick. That's if you think turpentine is right choice for his mental health conditions. Thanks again Bill! Have a great day!"
01/24/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Hi Tony...Regarding your son, I think he should be able to take the turpentine protocol for his problems. 1/4 to 1/2 tsp dosage of turpentine with castor oil and sugar/molasses should be fine for him. If he is over 13 y o then he should be able to take the full one teaspoon dose -- but work up to the dose slowly!! I would also watch his stools -- to see if parasites are also present. One thing I have learnt from participating in the Autism group is that when parasites start being killed and coming out then autistic kids not only fell better -- their mental problems and sociability rapidly seem to improve.Another protocol that your son can try which should help to greatly improve his mood, shyness, anger and sociability is just to take higher dose niacinamide(B3) every day in an easy protocol shown here:
Supplement magnesium citrate (250 mgs) twice a day and zinc gluconate(25 mgs) once a day.
At every meal your son should also take:
500 mgs niacinamide
B-Complex vitamins
1000 mgs vitamin C
You can also take an adult dose of 1000 mgs of niacinamide three times a day at meals without problems according to Dr Abram Hoffer.
The above niacinamide protocol is a paired down and simplified version of the main orthomolecular protocol that works to resolve many mental health problems like depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, OCD, CFS, ME and other autism spectrum disorders. The full protocol that is recommended is shown at this link.
This same protocol should also greatly help your wife's condition who you have said has a bipolar disorder. She should also use this niacinamide protocol.
And today I've just read how a daughter cured her 89 year old mother's 6 year old Alzheimer problem by just using higher dose niacinamide, Vitamin A and Coconut Oil. See this link."
01/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Bill for such a quick reply. I had totally let this slip my mind recently about our son. Thanks for posting back.Our son is 12 years old so we'll just start out at 1/4-1/2 tsp. daily. He don't care much for honey. Would it be OK to use the turpentine in some organic apple juice? That would hide the taste of the turpentine for him.
What do parasites look like in stools? I have seen dead yeasts and other pathogens in my own stool with the anti-candida protocol. Heck, there might have even been parasites in my stools before. I don't know exactly what to look for in parasites.
I know what the niacin can do for him. It's helped me tremendously Bill from your protocol for me. I take 1, 000 mg daily in split doses and it's helped my BP and mental clarity & that's only over 1 months time. I'm considering going up to 1, 500 mg daily to help even more with my depression and anxiety. I want off these meds. They're doing me NO GOOD!
My wife has now read your reply and she's excited to see that there's hope for her bipolar disorder as well.
Is it OK for her to use the niacin protocol along with taking the turpentine? Also, should I go with one or the other for our son? In other words, using the niacin protocol and the turpentine in combination or just use the niacin protocol alone? It doesn't hurt to use the turpentine in combo with the niacin protocol, right?
BTW, I had already read that post about a mother being cured of Alzheimer's with niacin, Vit A, & Coconut Oil. Doesn't surprise me at all. Niacin is a help to an awful lot of health problems. A simple vitamin that NO DOCTOR would even think about telling their patients to use.
It's not something they can use their hands to write a prescription for. That's why! Thanks again Bill! Looking forward to your suggestions back to me! God Bless you Bill & may the Lord take care of you in every way!"
01/26/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Hi Tony...You can try mixing turpetine with apple juice for your son if you want, but turpentine wont mix with aqueous solutions very well because it is fat soluble. Which is why I normally recommend using it with castor oil of VCO. However, turpentine would dissolve in milk(contains fats) which is something you could perhaps try.Also, the turpentine should not interfere with any of the nutrients, although -- as has already been mentioned -- it does expel xenobiotics. I use turpentine normally twice a week now as a preventative. I also use higher dose niacin on the same day as using the turpentine, without any problems at all."
01/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Bill for your time and help! I think we'll try the milk mixture for turpentine usage for our son. He drinks milk just about every day so that is probably the best option.Our son isn't on any meds so that's not an issue as for the xenobiotics factor. However my wife is on 5 bipolar meds.. Well, 6 when you include the Maxalt for her migraines. I already have her on magnesium, omega 3's, & Coq10 for headaches. This would be a factor for her. We've discussed here using the turpentine but certainly is small amounts to start off with.
She shouldn't have any problems with the niacin protocol with her meds. I think 1/4 tsp. daily dose for her for a couple weeks is a good start. Should she take the turpentine dose at least a couple hours away from her prescription meds? Thanks again Bill & God Bless!"
01/28/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Hi Tony...As you have said, your wife should take the turpentine dosage well away from her medicines. I would also add the higher dose niacin or niacinamide as well. The niacin(with vitamin B complex) should have quite a positive mental effect."
02/26/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "Hi Bill do you have any more information about the progress of this boy and about the protocols they are using. I have been using turp in the am and MMS enemas and bath in the pm and getting lots of worms out. More energy and feeling really good. I am just wondering if it is safe for my liver. Thanks, Mary"
02/28/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Mary...I'm still involved with the autistic group who are essentially taking MMS, MMS enemas (Dr Volinsky method), the Hulda Clark Parasite Protocol and turpentine. The man who bought my candida book invited me to his autistic group because I was talking about biofilms and turps -- something which is never mentioned in most other protocols against candida and I have been observing and giving advice to him and others from the group on the use of turps as well as lugol's iodine etc. This group have combined the MMS protocols with the turps protocol. They also mostly tend to use an Indian Ayurvedic anti-parasite herb called Vidanga(False Black Pepper) instead of the Hulda Clark Parasite Protocol. This group has broken away from the main MMS group because several people were a little disappointed with their autistic child's progress results using just the MMS on its own as advised and used by Kerri Rivera(who follows Andreas Klacker and Jim Hubble).This man has a two year old autistic son who is on the MMS and turps protocol(1/4 tspn a day with breaks). He contacted me two months ago and said that, according to his ATEC scores, his son's autism problems had resolved by 80%. At this point he found that there was not much more progress using the MMS protocol -- in other words that the curative effects of MMS had plateaued. Then he began the turps protocol in combination with MMS, resulting in a sudden and much larger discharge of parasites and candida biofilms found in the stools. The discharge of parasites is reduced now, but the biofilms found in his son's stools are still apparent. The father is mainly using the oral turps protocol now. A ways to go yet but his son continues to regularly improve.
I believe that the reason MMS didn't fully recover his child from autism(and the reason for plateauing) was because MMS does not effectively remove biofilms from the intestines where both candida and other bacteria can hide. The presence of more killed parasites and biofilms in the stool when turpentine was used was also confirmatory evidence for me that turps both kills parasites and removes biofilms very effectively. It also effectively confirmed the safety of using the turpentine protocol on a two year old child(and other children). There appears to be no adverse affects on the liver when turpentine is supplemented sensibly. The only problems are the Herx reactions from the candida, bacteria and parasite toxins -- causing wooziness, drowsiness and occasionally mylagia pain or intestinal problems for the child. The side-effects of using MMS appear to be nausea, vomiting and headaches(similar to hydrogen peroxide use). I have also been helping both the father and the mother of this autistic child who both also have serious candida issues. They've had no end of Herx trouble using lugol's iodine, alkalizing and turpentine. This Herx problem with iodine and turps is typical in the West where poor processed food is eaten every day(they live in the America). It is the bain of our modern society.
I must also state that I have much respect for the protocol used and advised by Kerri Rivera. Her only intention is to help cure autistic children. She so far claims to have cured over 100 autistic children using her protocol which a wonderful record. But when I read her autobiography, I noted that her own autistic son, who has been on her protocol for ten years, is still not fully cured yet. That's why I believe that the one missing link in her protocol is turpentine because turps removes biofilms efficiently and fast. Her protocol does not address the biofilm factor in autism even though there is ample evidence for the truth of this in Dr William Shaw's wide research on candida, autism and other autism spectrum disorders."
03/01/2014: Ed2010 from Canada: "Hi Bill,Turpentine are you referring to Kerosene or Turpentine obtained from Pine Trees? Good Health"
03/01/2014: Rsw from Uniontown, Oh: "Hi Bill, I can only imagine how grateful the parents of this autistic child must be for your help with his improving condition. I am amazed by the turp success stories but I still have a mental avoidance to ingesting turpentine, just as I had a hard time at first with the borax. I wondered if this supplement contains the active ingredient in turpentine, and could be used initially to see what one's reaction might be? (I omitted the seller info) Thank you for all the information and advice you freely give to this group.Pine Bark Extract capsules:
Powerful Antioxidant People around the world have used pine bark remedies to treat various health problems from coughs to wounds for quite some time. Pine bark extract comes from the bark of the European coastal pine, pinus maritime. The rough bark of this particular pine tree contains a rich source of flavonoids. Recent research suggests that many of the compounds found in pine bark such as oligomeric proanthocyanidin complexes (OPCs) act as a powerful antioxidant in the human body. These OPCs are among the most potent antioxidants existing today and they seem to help cells defend against the damages of free radicals. Free radicals, or oxidants, are unstable molecules with an unpaired (free) electron. Free radicals result when your body is exposed to air pollution, stress, chemicals, radiation, or cigarette smoke. They can even result when food is converted to energy. Unfortunately, these free radicals can build up and over time start attacking normal cells and tissues. When the body has adequate antioxidants, it can defend against these destructive predators. Antioxidants provide the extra electron to neutralize the damaging effect of free radicals. By keeping these oxidants under control, the body is better able to fight off diseases and to recover from injuries. So where do you find the right antioxidants? Pine bark extract, olive polyphenols, RosaEx, Coenzyme Q10, vitamin A, vitamin C, and vitamin E certainly seem to help fend off the damage done by free radicals. Health Benefits In France, both the pine bark extract and OPCs have undergone extensive testing for safety and effectiveness. They have been shown to protect cells from free radical damage and increase the effectiveness of other antioxidants including vitamins A, C, and E and the mineral selenium. Studies have shown that the antioxidant power of OPCs is much stronger than vitamin C and vitamin E. Pine bark extract is one of the few antioxidants capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier to protect brain cells. Further, researchers have found that pine bark extract provides support for heart, circulation, and brain systems. Pine Bark Extract Pine Bark Extract is a complex of bioflavonoid antioxidants, with a standardized concentration of 95% Oligomeric Proanthocyanidins. Each vegetarian capsule contains 60 mg of pine bark extract and an enzyme activation system (Lipase and Amylase) to help with absorption. We used to carry the branded Pycnogenol? French maritime pine bark extract. However, we changed to our Pine Bark Extract and find that people seem to be getting similar results to the Pycnogenol? at a much more reasonable price. Suggested Dosage: For usual adult dosage, Take one capsule daily or as needed. Ingredients: Supplement Facts Serving Size: 1 capsule Amount Per Serving % DV Pine Bark Extract 60 mg * Amylase 20 mg * Lipase 20 mg * Other Ingredients: Rice Flour and Cellulose * Daily Value not established Nothing in this product is of animal origin."
03/01/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines: "Hi Ed2010...You can use either Kerosene or Turpentine in the protocol. Although they have different names they contain the same constituents more or less. I use and describe gum turpentine because its far less complicated than to advise Kerosene. Kerosene goes by other names like paraffin or mineral oil. The main difference between turpentine and kerosene is that turpentine comes directly from pine trees whereas kerosene is generally a distilled derivative of coal or petroleum -- which also arises from the breakdown of plants and trees. If you want to know more about the different forms of kerosene and turpentine then this is a good link:
Thu, 27 Feb 14 08:02:45 -0600
I was not out to get rid of allergies but to kill pathogens in my intestinal tract. And to kill a dog mange I caught from my dog. Has helped so much with both. I even use it in an enema bag. It is very safe!!! I take my anti oxidants in the am and the MMS oxidant at night.
I use it to treat my dog she has way more energy when I give her only one activated drop with 2 tsp of water!!
I have some here in the kitchen for vegetables. It really gets the bugs off of them!
I think you would be thrilled with its applications.
Respectfully, Mary"
Most people have their resources drained by any medical field and it is imperative to keep cool and not succumb to new medications without being fully aware what one may have to deal with. The bottom line is there are remedies that beneficial and have been proven for centuries. For each sickness there is a remedy aside from chemical substances.
Ordinary people cannot afford a few thousands or for that matter $300 per month to medicate themselves. Common sense indicates that where there is a lucrative market with health, empower yourself and do not fall into the hands of those that profit from your illness. This is also meant to be a general statement as I do not wish to be responsible for any untoward ill effects by taking new products that have a big question mark. Hope this will be of help. Om"
06/07/2013: Marie from New York: "Hi; I do so agree with you but here is my story. Last year I had some awful symptoms and hadn't been to a doctor in years.. So sorry I went but when I did they found my blood pressure very high.. At one point I was told to go to the ER.. I didn't and they scared me and so I took the meds.. But I didn't know what they were and I had never taken a pill in my life and I am 59 years old.. Plus I forgot about natural cures so I took the meds because the doctors scared me.. Later on I found this site and other alternative treatments but since the doc gave me beta blockers and they won't help me wean off I unfortunately have to wean myself off.. Someone on this site told me how to do it but again unfortunately I need more meds to cut in half to do that but am working on that.. I am going to make the doctors think they know what they are doing but we know they dont.. Live and Learn..."
02/26/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "Om, I love reading your posts but this one I do have to comment on. Have you really tried MMS? It has really done amazing things for my health and very cheap. As well as getting rid of my food allergies (sensitivities really) after spending so much at a naturopath and getting No results!!!I was not out to get rid of allergies but to kill pathogens in my intestinal tract. And to kill a dog mange I caught from my dog. Has helped so much with both. I even use it in an enema bag. It is very safe!!! I take my anti oxidants in the am and the MMS oxidant at night.
I use it to treat my dog she has way more energy when I give her only one activated drop with 2 tsp of water!!
I have some here in the kitchen for vegetables. It really gets the bugs off of them!
I think you would be thrilled with its applications.
Respectfully, Mary"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 08:00:08 -0600
I went through an agonizing night of what was confirmed as kidney stone pain. Apparently I passed a small one on my own, but CT scan showed 3 more small (1 or 2 mm) ones in kidney. I'd like to try to dissolve them with the lemon juice/olive oil procedure. Should it be taken on an empty stomach? Or does it matter?
Alternatively, I've read here that chanca piedra is good for dissolving stones. However, I have pretty severe osteoporosis. Would this affect my bones?
Heartfelt thanks, Sue"
02/12/2013: Kelly from Jacksonville, Florida: "Hi Sue-I have been doing quite a bit of research on Chanca Piedra, I can't find any side effects other than it may affect blood pressure medicine, according to clinical trials.. All clinical trials and user reviews show no other side effects. It seems like a very healthy supplement.. It is just a natural herb that benefits all types of stones, including gallbladder and kidney stones. I am waiting on an order of veggie caps for myself. I suffer from Chronic Kidney Stones (100 +) in the last 2 years. I hope this helps and Good Luck to you...Please try it-if u are not on heart meds. Right now u are fortuanate enough to have small stones. The danger of passing stones is that if they become stuck u can perforate your urinary tract (ureter, or develope a UTI or worse.. sepsis-which is a blood infection that can easily and often does develope when the urine flow is blocked and begins to back up ur urinary tract. Sepsis can lead to death within hours and must be treated immediately and aggressively w/antibiotics. Remember that if you get a fever, chills, sweats etc-do not hesitate to go the E.R.!! Upon arrival-make them aware that you have a documented case of multiple kidney stones and are experiencing signs of an infection and possible obstruction. This is considered to be a medical emergency at that point and should be handled as such."
02/12/2013: Sue from Fairfax, Va Usa: "Kelly, thank you so much for your very informative and thorough reply. I am not on heart or bp meds so am certainly interested in trying this herb. I know I'm lucky to have just a few small stones at this point and want to do whatever I can to prevent the horrible complications that are possible. Thanks again and stay well!"
[NAY] 02/26/2014: Martin from Alabama: "Tried remedy 4 days straight...no success"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 07:59:39 -0600
02/26/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Tong: Eating cooked conventionally grown food that is low in nutrients and high in pollutants is causing all this suffering, confusion, and worry. I went through this myself. If you can afford raw organic produce then search raw food videos. If you are poor like me then make the best remedy of all, home brewed water kefir. The ingredients need to be organic or sustainable grown traditionally with manure and not sprayed with synthetics. Ferment 75g whole flours/quart for 12 hours at room temp. Soak some beans for 12 hours in plain water. Add the liquid, not the fiber, to the beans and start the next batch with some from the previous batch. Drink the liquid from the beans with the fiber from the grains several times/day. The reasons are these. Most people make kefir with whole sugar. Whole flours cost less and have fiber and protein. A group of friends who have degrees in the life sciences studied all the foods. They discovered small red beans were best, closely followed by kidney and pinto. Beans are high in sulfur, the mother of all minerals, saponins, ginseng, jiaogulan, and yucca have these, and anthocyanins, the flavonol in berries. Keep repeating the procedure for 1 week and then cook the beans and eat them and then start a new batch. Learn to soak nuts and seeds and to eat the right proportions from the raw food videos."
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "to Mike62 from Denver; hi Mike would you have a really exact recipe for your water kefir? Thanks"
02/28/2014: Mike62 from Denver: "Mary: I'm glad you are interested in the best of all God's Goodies, kefir. Mama makes goats milk kefir for the same reasons I make water kefir. Kefir increases the activity of all the nutrients and makes the same highly energized water in fruits and milk. Wild Plants do not eat food. They eat compost. I experiment with a variety of raw organic whole foods to make my kefir. Everybody agrees that the dose of carbs is 6%. That would be 60g/carbs/quart. Flours have 25% fiber and protein so I use 75g/quart. I don't use store bought sugar. I use whole cane sugar. This has the molasses they like. I don't have the grains anymore. I use some from the previous batch. Some of the microbes escape from the grains into the water. The dormant grains cost $10 and come with instructions. Put them in 1 pint drinking water, add 30g sucanet, brew at room temp away from sunlight, they don't like metal or pollutants, the water gradually changes from sour to vinegry, approximately 4 days. Drink 12oz before too tart, use 4oz to start next batch, add 28oz water, 60g sucanet, or 75g whole flour, let brew for 12-24 hours, drink before too tart, and repeat the procedure. I make a gallon/day. Recently I've been soaking pinto beans in the kefir. They have saponins that make water wetter, and anthocyanins. Pinto beans are 85% as good as the best food in the world, small red beans. I get sustainable grown traditionally for $1/pound. I hope this makes you function optimally like me."
Turpentine and MMS to Expel Worms
Thu, 27 Feb 14 07:59:10 -0600
They are finding that the removal of worms is doing wonders for the health and cognition of these kids and have developed a protocol. they use metbednezol (sp?) to kill the worms as well as MMS they call it chlorine dioxide and the MMS enemas.
I have way to many little maybe big health issues and spend way too much on my health with little to show for it. I decided to take matters into my own hands and see if some version of this protocol would make me feel better. I have more energy, have lost my horrid food sensitivities and get out lots of gross worms on the days I do this.
My question is am I the only one who has tried this? I feel down right now as I tried to describe this to my doctor who just basically ignored my discovery telling me it might not be worms and I should get a test. Thanks for reading. Mary"
Thu, 27 Feb 14 03:10:16 -0600
I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are supposed to not cause such a reaction. Looks like I'm an exception to this rule. Just like most other things I've tried it doesn't go as planned/expected. Something caused this reaction. It didn't happen on the right foot. Strange!
As for the Lufenuron, I did read about it. What I read wasn't what I wanted to see. It's actually listed as a pesticide in most articles that I pulled up from the net. I really don't wanna take a chance on something like that. I've had enough bad stuff happen when taking certain supplements. Anything close to pesticides I will completely stay away from.
I think I will also wait a while before using DGL. I want to keep my supplementation to a minimum. I'm specifically focused on the BHT treatment along with zapping. I plan on sticking with this for a while to target the viral overload. I think viral and candida are my main underlying issues. Already tried the candida with little results so hopefully attacking the viral part will give better results. The zapping will attack multiple pathogens anyhow so all toxins/bad guys will be attacked intensively. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I'm replying here in regards to your comment on another thread about using a magnet for the thyroid. I've never came across this while researching my thyroid issues. Are you talking about just a regular magnet that people use to stick/hang items on a fridge?
Is that what you're implying? Does make sense because energy placed throughout the body like with zappers, etc. have great health benefits. I'm just a little shocked that it may be that simple as using a regular magnet but I want to make sure. If so, I'm going to add this to my zapping & BHT regime for my health issues. Thanks again Timh!"
02/24/2014: Prioris from Fl: "In regards to "Lufenuron ... It's actually listed as a pesticide"Diamataceous Earth is also listed as a pesticide. It's very contextual. Doesn't mean it is bad to consume. Boric Acid is a pesticide but that doesn't make Borax bad to consume. Things that toxic to humans are not necessarily toxic to insects and vice versa.
I have found no information that says that Lufenuron is toxic to humans
From wikipedia
"It has no known toxic effects at any dosage on humans or other animals in the environment that do not depend on chitin, though the orally administered pills can sometimes cause an upset stomach with acid reflux."
From the sellers site
"Lufenuron fights Candida in a similar way as the immune system. The immune system uses the enzyme Chitinase to attack Candida's cell wall. Lufenuron also attacks the Chitin in the fungal cell wall, but much more effectively so than Chitinase. Totally safe for liver and kidneys. Lufenuron is not like anything else on the prescription-free market - it is as effective an antifungal as Diflucan (Fluconazole). ""
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Prioris: I should have been more particular when I said "list" as I meant chemical category. When you say list as "pesticide" that means "marketing" term. Luf is marketed as a pesticide but it is a chemical in the category of "chitin inhibitor"."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, the thin fridge magnet is a good start as it is not too powerful, but one should graduate to stronger magnets if need be. Personally I like to do magnet therapy first then zapp."
02/25/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The alligator clip half of the c pipes will be above water so it's no problem.For acidosis I take half spoon of sea salt/baking soda 3x day, but this is not enough for the severity of my condition so I take hot baths w/ baking soda, epsom salts, major & trace mineral (micronized) to finally buffer the entire body. As for the pathogens add some borax or povidone iodine 15-30 min into the bath. Do this bath for an hr or more at least once per week.
The burning symptoms is definitely a sign of toxicity. Your not positive response to Bill's candida protocol also admits toxicity (of some kind). The best remedy for this is Detox Foot Pads (one for each foot before retiring). I have been using these nightly for some time now w/ good results. You can buy DFP on Ebay from the east for under $40 for 100 quantity. You may also be interested in using Detox Foot Spa (I have also been using this extensively w/ good results). Again, the best buys are from the global market on Ebay.
The human body, like all warm blooded organisms, is an environment and host for myriad unwanted and pathogenic substances. Any kind of accumulation of zenobiotics or heavy metals is a production ground for the pathogens to thrive. These parasites attach themselves directly against the foreign substance so to effectively evade the immune system response.
Always waiting to hear some good news from you.
I have had best results w/ BHT fallowed by Echanacia or Chanca Piedra 15 min later 2x day.
If you can find time to watch a Beck video here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk. If the severity of your case doesn't resolve as expected, you will probably also need to use either Lipo-C or Colloidal Silver. (both of which you can make at home at an affordable price).
I have also had very good results Oil Pulling. I do O.P. 2 sessions back-to-back once daily.
I have used two bottles of Lufenuron also w/ good results (and zero bad side effects) but it is a bit pricey so I use seldom. Lufenuron has been very effective for controlling the fungal issues in my Kitties as per their running about and playing w/ the mouse."
02/24/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Prioris from Fl for your reply. I understand that some substances that are listed as pesticides aren't really pesticides. Borax certainly says right on the box not for human consumption but we know that it's a strong natural agent.I really don't want to take anything closely related to a prescription drug either. OTC stuff can be just as bad as some prescription drugs. Not many things but certainly some are not really safe to consume.
I'm willing to take a lot of things suggested by members here at EC. There's certain people that I've gained real trust in what they have to say/suggest. Tim here in this thread is certainly one of them along with Bill and Ted of course. There are others as well.
I just don't want to add to much to my supplementation right now. It gets really old taking 15+ supplements daily. I've cut down to around 7-8 right now on my current BHT regime to go along with zapping. I'll consider adding Lufenuron and DGL at a later date. I'm praying & believing that zapping will do a number on all pathogens that I have. Thanks & God Bless!"
02/25/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank You Tim for yet another timely reply. Let me address each specific area of your comments.I have several small magnets on the fridge. I will start using one of them for 10 minutes just before my Huda Clark type zapping session. Do I just hold the magnet right on my thyroid area?
I will begin the zapping foot baths this week as well. For alkalizing, I'm currently on 3X daily. I use ACV/BS/H2O once daily and BS/H2O twice daily. Sometimes, I do replace the ACV with fresh squeezed lemon. Have been using this alkalizing protocol for about 3 months now. I was on a different alkalizing protocol before that with the candida treatment.
This was 3X daily as well but just BS/H2O for all 3 alkalizing drinks daily. I also add fresh squeezed lemon to every bottled water. I'm getting quite a bit of lemon into my diet now with daily water consumption. I drink at least half my body weight in just water alone.
I also drink 12-16 oz. of fresh made greenie drinks daily. I have an occasional fresh made fruit drink as well w/kiwi, grapes, apples, & bananas. I believe this along with magnesium supplementation has made my bowel movements regular. I go 3 times daily now and before I got real sick in 2012 I went once daily.
I've used both Borax and epsom salts in baths off & on for about 2 years now. I've also experimented with turpentine in baths. I get a burning sensation all over but especially in the genitals with turpentine. I haven't tried using vaseline to help protect that region but my thinking is I have major prostate issues so getting directly into that area can only help and not hurt.
The burning sensation from zapping has gotten a little better. I'm using the Terminator II zapper in the sacrum region for treating HSV. This is suggested by Don Croft from an article I read about HSV and zapping. Supposedly, zapping like this daily for 24 hours(we can't zap 24 hours daily) in about 1 month the virus can be eliminated. I don't know how true this is but Don Croft knows about zapping with his products.
A lot of factors play a role into the amount of time healing takes place. Me having this for 20 years now will probably take longer. Add to that I have candida issues. However, I don't know which pathogen is playing the biggest role in my disease pattern. I just think viral overload is a definite cause because of the HSV. It's the longest running sickness I've had. Of course, the doctors refuse to even think candida/yeast is an issue when I know better.
I'll look into buying some of the Detox Foot Pads you referring to Tim. I buy a lot of stuff on eBay so this will not be a problem. I rarely buy from international sellers though. I like to keep things here in the USA for 2 reasons. Lengthy time in shipment arriving and customs.
It's weird that you mention zenobiotics. Bill has done the same thing in our discussion from the candida protocol. Especially when supplementing with turpentine. I do still take an occasional Lortab for pain. When I say occasional I mean every few days. Sometimes, I get such bad pain that I have take 1/2 tablet just for some temporary relief.
I never take more than 1/2 tablet in a day period. To show how much I try to avoid taking them I have a Lortab prescription that dates back to May of last year. 45 tablets and still have some left. I don't like taking any prescription meds! 1/2 tablet gives me about 1-2 hours of mild pain relief but that's about it.
They're not the answer for pain! And, prescription meds aren't the answer for any disease or illness. Sometimes, we have to resort to using them though. Medicine has its place though. They can save lives for sure in emergency situations just as they have for you!
As for the BHT treatment, I just started the full protocol today. Using 350 mg BHT once daily for a few days to start. Will possibly increase to 700 mg daily in a few days. My capsules are 350 mg each. Might break open a capsule and use only half to make it around a total of 500-550 mg daily. Don't want to go too high in dosage. 500 mg is the suggested daily dose for viral issues.
I'm also taking Lipo C(500 mg twice daily) and Monolaurin(550 mg twice daily) to go along with a B Complex daily. Still taking a multi as well plus continue to take niacin, magnesium, & zinc in higher doses. I also take 2,500IU of Vit D3 as well daily. This is cut down from 5,000IU that I was taking in the past. I get very little sunshine so I need extra Vit D3 daily. That's about it in the supplementation category. Cut down quite a bit from what I was taking. Couldn't even keep up with things before.
I've also taken CS in the past. I just think I didn't take it long enough and not at high enough doses for my health issues. I used it for about 2 months but varied the dosage weekly. I should have taken a higher dose for that period of time. I then stopped using it which was probably a big mistake. CS is a potent killer of multiple pathogens as well.
Oil pulling I did for a few months with minimal results. I do know that I got pretty significant detox/die-off when I started OP. Didn't see any results in the mouth area for gingivitis. I will say that there was definitely toxins in the oil after spitting it out. White as snow and ugly looking stuff. I tried sesame, sunflower, & olive oil for pulling. I didn't get much results with any of them. Probably did this daily for around 4 months.
As for the Lufenuron, I've been reading up a lot about this product. Some very good testimonies about using this for candida. It's interesting how this stuff works. It releases slowly into the system for killing candida systemically. Interesting in how it's taken. 3 days of dosage and then a break.
Something you don't have to worry about taking daily over a long period of time. I would have no problem using it with fatty food. I eat healthy fats with basically every meal. So, getting the full benefit won't be a problem for me.
Now, it's probably going to take multiple monthly treatments for me with my serious candida issues. That's OK though if that's what it takes. I read one particular story about Lufenuron in which a guy had to use multiple treatments to get rid of his candida issues. I think it was 5-6 months. But, he felt better each month of treatment.
He bought his from an international seller but I've found a seller in the USA that I have in mind. People have also said you can get it from eBay. I haven't checked into that yet. Sorry for the long reply. Thanks Tim and God Bess you for helping me and others here at EC! I'll keep you updated of course!"
02/26/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, Tony hold the magnet directly over the thyroid on each side of neck, and while your at it, treat the thymus gland which resides between the heart & neck area. I do this as well as occasional zapp to stimulate & strengthen the immunity. Raw Thymus Glandular may be necessary in the severity of your case. If that candida gets into any of the glands you can expect some havoc. My thyroid bottomed out several times, but I put the magnet, zapper, and Iodine onto it and it is now recovered.Surely you will soon make some substantial improvements as to your treatment efforts. You are very welcome for my input and I hope to share some joy in your recovery. Thanks for your detailed responses as maybe all the particulars will also help others."
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "@Timh:I've been doing some reading/watching on the magnet therapy you had suggested. Could you please enlighten me on this? All of the reading and watching of video from the net says that moving magnetic therapy is the only type of magnet therapy that works.
I watched a video from Dr. Oz and he specifically stated that the magnets you see on fridges are not the type of magnets that work. He said only the moving/motion magnet therapy will work. I've also not located any scientific research that backs anything about these type magnets.
Do you care to show me how this is supposed to work or evidence(research) that it does work? I know energy placed through the body like with zappers work but I'm a little hesitant in saying this about the standard fridge magnet. Thanks again Tim!"
02/26/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim!Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony, if I ever get well enough I am going to do some extensive research in magnet therapy and maybe practice it part-time; but for now I can only say that I have experienced no bad side effects and only good effects from magnets on all body parts, including the skull/brain and eyes. Also, the general guideline seems to be: the more powerful the magnet the better. My strongest magnet, placed directly over the liver for at least 15 min major reduces any inflammation as well as purifies the blood of parasites and pathogens. So, the little fridge mag will only be a good start until you find an old, discarded speaker w/ a good magnet.I will yea the multiglandular as I use the Solaray brand 2x week on average w/ noticeable results.
As for the zapping, I did not experience herx until I did the foot bath zap. To reduce the burning as well as increase the effectiveness, try placing a thin, wet cloth over the skin of the area to be zapped.
The glutamine has big potential in your case, as it seems to me. Take it directly w/ the herbal para to maximize the effect. Glutamine also alkalizes the blood and boost growth hormone.
Backing up a bit, you may want to reconsider the hair analysis as you can purchase this online for about $100 w/ lab report included. Anyway, it would be advantageous to take a few caps of Coriander before retiring w/ the removal aid of the detox foot pads.
Everything you're doing looks to be in good line except the area of Antioxidant Status as it seems very poor in case. This is a broad subject but you will absolutely need to cover the basics. Vit-A, E, Selenium, Melatonin, Grapeseed Extract, and Silymarin for the liver. "
02/27/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim.Let me begin this reply with the magnet therapy. You say to graduate to a stronger magnet. You say to find an old speaker magnet. Are there any other options for bigger/stronger magnets? I don't have any access to old speakers for a bigger magnet source. What's the biggest magnet you can get in stores that would work?
Now, onto the zapper chat again. I was told not to place a cloth/paper towel against my skin when using the Terminator II zapper. It's designed to only have direct contact to the skin. Now, I do use paper towels sprayed with a sea salt water solution when zapping with the Huda Clark zapper.
The seller messaged me and said not to do this with the Terminator II zapper. I understand the towels with sea salt water is only used for better conductivity with the Huda Clark zappers. It's not the same purpose with the Terminator but couldn't hurt I guess to use them to keep from burning.
I'm starting to burn a little in my sacrum region with the Terminator II but wasn't experiencing this at first. I attribute this to the detox and bringing the toxins/pathogens to the skin surface even though my urine PH is slightly above normal.
I will take your advice and use glutamine in combo with the herbal parasite cleanse.
Is hair analysis really necessary at this point? I mean I'm attacking all pathogens and also supplementing all the standard vitamins and minerals. I failed to mention a few other things I'm taking in my last reply.
I'm taking extra selenium(100mcg) separate from my multi. I take 5-HTP for sleep/stress/anxiety at 100mg at bedtime & 100mg once during the day. I'm taking a mushroom formula with all trace minerals included. I do have some grapeseed extract but haven't used it yet. I was taking milk thistle but stopped it because it's suggested to not take milk thistle when using the BHT protocol.
Keep in mind, that BHT will support the liver. That's one of its great benefits especially for hepatitis. Are you saying I need extra liver support other than taking BHT? I'm not taking extra Vit A or E. It's also suggested to not take extra Vit E supplements with BHT.
I've got something interesting to tell you Tim. I woke up this morning to a pretty nice-sized blister on the inside of my lower lip. This popped up overnight. There wasn't a blister there before going to bed. I take this as a strong detox reaction. I don't have HSV1 where people get them in the mouth area. I have HSV2 of the genitals.
This is a sign that the virus is trying to escape/flee the body. I've never had a blister this size inside my mouth. Small ones before but not the herpes type blisters. This thing looks pretty nasty. About 3/8" round and black in color. I've used tea tree oil on it and it's getting smaller already! I take this as another good sign of detox! The BHT looks to be doing it's thing!
Thanks again Tim for your help! God Bless you bud!"
02/28/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Sorry I forgot you were taking the BHT and recommended supplements that are contraindicated. Maybe this viral problem will take a beating from the BHT.As for the magnets, the best way to get hold of a good used music speaker magnet is your local Goodwill or any second hand store. Also might find a good one from an old, broken car or auto salvage yard.
As for heavy metals, you would need to trace your personal history of any high risk to metals or any other harmful chem.
If you have pets, especially in the house, it's highly likely you have some type parasite. Hulda Clark recommends deworming the entire household plus the pets prior to removing them from your life. I certainly don't agree w/ the extreme measure of removal of pets. The best option is to keep them dewormed. I had a wonderful Kitty family a few yrs back that are dear to my heart, but I did get Ascaris infestation in the order of life-threatening.
As for the zapping, simply try and work what's best for yourself. Curezone.com has tons of post about zapping if you can allocate some time there.
Hoping to hear more good news from you Tony."
02/28/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Tim.Yes, I'm on the BHT treatment protocol and can't take herbs in high doses. Can't take milk thistle at all right now!
I'll make a trip to Goodwill to see if I can find some speakers. If that doesn't work, I'll go to one of the local salvage yards.
I used to work in a textile plant for a few years. I wasn't really exposed to any dangerous chemicals while there. However, all the fabric I certainly was around it. I don't know how dangerous those chemicals would have been though. That's the only place I could think of for heavy metal toxicity.
There's absolutely NO WAY that we would get rid of our pets. We have 3 dogs and 1 cat. Love them all dearly! Wouldn't take a zillion dollars for any of them & I honestly mean that Tim! God gave us these creatures here on this earth for a reason just like he does everything else. They love us unconditionally just like Jesus does!
I do let them lick me though. Have for years! We did have to de-worm our cat last year. She got really sick! The licking is probably a source of parasites withing my body.
All of our pets have been sick at one point or another. So, I'm sure that we all have some sort of parasite problem. Each and every one of us allow them to lick us. I think I'm gonna put a stop to that now though. Loving them certainly but not licking anymore.
I've used curezone in the past. When I first had prostate problems this is one of the first places I found on the net. I even tried the Budwig protocol for a short while and that's where I got that protocol from. Thanks again Tim and take care!"
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Thu, 27 Feb 14 02:32:17 -0600
Conversely, one small alcohol beverage daily is healthy. If I ever do get able, I will likely rotate either a beer or wine every other day.
Although otc natural supplements are not "regulated" by the FDA as pharmaceutical drugs are, they are produced under strict safety guidelines for safe human consumption.
So, Amy, please be more specific in your well meaning post as it appears not credible in the light that this is almost entirely not an issue w/ the overwhelming majority."
02/26/2014: Amy from Nashville Tennessee: "Be careful if using Milk Thistle Extract (liquid). The first ingredient listed is certified Organic Alcohol. Check with your doctor."
02/27/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I am one rare occasion that cannot tolerate any alcohol so I have had to avoid A completely, but not only did I not need my doctor to tell me this, (s)he won't. If my blood reveals normal enzymes then I do not have liver disease. Two yrs ago the nurse ask me "Mr TimH, do you drink alcohol?" I replied that I do not and cannot drink half of an alcohol beverage without extreme nausea. So, I was not punished for being a drinker nor was I evaluated for liver or metabolic disease.Conversely, one small alcohol beverage daily is healthy. If I ever do get able, I will likely rotate either a beer or wine every other day.
Although otc natural supplements are not "regulated" by the FDA as pharmaceutical drugs are, they are produced under strict safety guidelines for safe human consumption.
So, Amy, please be more specific in your well meaning post as it appears not credible in the light that this is almost entirely not an issue w/ the overwhelming majority."
Wed, 26 Feb 14 22:59:58 -0600
I have used Heritage Store and Home Health castor oil. Both are cold pressed. I have been happy with them. Now sells one that is expeller pressed. A little goes a long way! Hope you find it helpful. I love castor oil and have used it for many things.
~Mama to Many~"
[YEA] 09/10/2010: Hazelnut from Phoenix, Az, Usa: "I absolutely agree that castor oil is great for Beautiful skin... I started using castor oil on my face every night after bath 1 week ago and today only 7 days later my face somehow looks at least 5 years younger and flawless and more toned... I am thankful for Earth Clinic or I never would have tried castor oil on my face.... From Hazelnut"
[YEA] 09/12/2010: Tina from Princeton, New Jersey: "I agree that castor oil is an amazing face oil. I have been using it as a night-time treatment for nearly two months now. I use a tiny amount which I thin down with a few drops of almond oil which makes it easier to pat onto the skin, since castor oil has a thick consistency. I have also noticed that my eyelashes are growing longer!"
10/05/2010: Christelle from Windhoek, Namibia: "Will this caster oil not give you blackheads?"
[YEA] 06/11/2011: Len from Seattle, Wa: "No--the castor oil will not clog your pores. In fact, it has made my pores clearer and smaller. I was very leery about using an oil on my face (I thought I'd break out terribly) but after the first application, I realized that it helped get rid of any blemishes or inflammations not caused them. And I have less clogged pores."
02/26/2014: Paula2613 from Azusa,ca: "What name brand are you ladies using? I have melasma on my forehead n cheeks n would like to start this castor oil treatment. Thank you, Paula"
02/26/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Paula,I have used Heritage Store and Home Health castor oil. Both are cold pressed. I have been happy with them. Now sells one that is expeller pressed. A little goes a long way! Hope you find it helpful. I love castor oil and have used it for many things.
~Mama to Many~"
02/27/2014: Mary from Saskatchewan, Canada: "To Mama To Many: Hi, does the castor oil make you break out? Do you mix it with anything? Thanks"
02/28/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Dear Mary,I have not had trouble with castor oil causing any type of skin outbreak on me or my family members. We have used it on faces, necks, backs, feet, etc, with no problem. When I use it on my face, sometimes I put a few drops of Rosemary Essential Oil into it (a few drops in an ounce of Castor Oil.) But lately I have just used it plain. (At first I had added the Rosemary because I didn't care for the smell of castor oil, but I guess now I am used to it.) Sometimes I mix castor oil into homemade salves or oil blends for various purposes...I have mixed it with olive oil, coconut oil, and/or almond oil. I have always been happy with castor oil however I have used it.
I hope it will work well for what you need, as well.
~Mama to Many~"
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Wed, 26 Feb 14 18:17:48 -0600
Wed, 26 Feb 14 18:16:51 -0600
I just iced the area for three minutes with an ice cube and sterilized a regular pair of scissors. The skintag was kind of wide at the base so I decided to twist it. Everyone was right! Very little pain and small amount of bleeding!! Yay!!"
I tried the string method with no luck for a while and grew tired of waiting.
Scissor method is quick and easy with instant results. I an very happy with results."
[YEA] 05/06/2012: Kathleen from Merced, Ca: "I had a fairly large skin tag right below my eye that had been there for years and years that I did not like at all. Reading these posts I was trying the apple cider vinegar, also tea tree oil for a week or so, and not seeing any results. I also caught the glint of my finger nail clippers and decided I would do it, though I was scared, so I asked my husband do it. I felt almost nothing, and it was gone!! There was a dot of a scab for a few days. It left no mark! I couldn't believe it could be that simple! I've waited a month to write this but my skin is absolutely fine and it shows no sign of returning. Thank you Earth Clinic and everybody who shared their experiences."
[YEA] 10/29/2012: Mmb from Geneva, Il: "DID IT!! Read all the posts re: just cutting the darn thing off. Cleaned sharp hair scissors & tweezers w/ alcohol... Husband gripped and pulled tag away from skin w/ tweezers, and he snipped it off w/ the scissors. I used ice on it for about 10 SECONDS before he did this. I am not kidding you, it did not hurt at all... As a matter of fact, I didn't even know he had cut it off.... A little bleeding, but i'm 'neosporined/bandaded' up! I cannot believe I went this long w/ tags.... Don't hesitate trying this method!"
[YEA] 02/26/2014: Vanessa from Ontario: "I had a skintag in my arm pit that had been bothering me for a while. I read posts above and decided to try.I just iced the area for three minutes with an ice cube and sterilized a regular pair of scissors. The skintag was kind of wide at the base so I decided to twist it. Everyone was right! Very little pain and small amount of bleeding!! Yay!!"
Wed, 26 Feb 14 18:16:27 -0600
Instructions: Soak apple cider vinegar with a cloth and applied on your heel for 6-8 hrs. You can wrap it with a plastic bag around your heel while you sleep. You might need to repeat the process for several days.
Depending on how bad the heel spur, the process will take longer. If the pain is not relieved after doing this process for long period of time, then you might have a different problem and advised to see your doctor."
[YEA] 06/24/2011: Mary from Escanaba, Mi: "I am a foot reflexologist and I have been having pain in my heel from what I believe is a heel spur. I had been working on my feet and enduring the pain as I did not want to have cortizone injections. I started wrapping my heel with an ace bandage soaked in ACV. I also starting taking it orally 2 T daily as I have read many other benefits of ACV. Also, a huge plus, the wrap on my heel took away all the built up callus. I am going to wrap my other foot as well!"
10/12/2013: Karen from Concord, Ca: "Hi, I am In desperate need of some cure for my heel spur so I will try the ACV wrap. Can you just clarify how much avc to use for each treatment. Thank you! I'm so glad to see I am not alone!"
02/26/2014: Chnw from Northwest: "I have had bone spurs on my heels for 2 years. They are really bad now. I just soaked gauze in ACV and wrapped them around my ankles overnight. How long did it take most people to get relief?"
Wed, 26 Feb 14 18:14:23 -0600
Does it matter how close I get the magnet to the gland/area I'm treating? I've started out with a small magnet in size(1/2" wide X 3/4" tall). I do have a few larger ones on the fridge but wanted to wait and see what you suggested as far as size. I know with the Terminator II zapper it works up to 18" away from the site of treatment.
I'm going to be ordering a raw multiple glandular supplement soon for all of my glands. I know they're all out of whack not just my thyroid gland. I'm getting the glandulars made out of New Zealand from grass fed cows that are freeze dried. It's a raw glandular supplement. I've not tried using glandulars before so hopefully this will help in my regeneration process even more.
I CAN NOT handle iodine in anything above 12.5 mg daily doses. I get such a bad reaction when on higher doses that I can't hardly function. I've been on and off iodine for the past 2+ years. I always feel much worse when taking this stuff.
Maybe with the detox I'm doing now with zapping, BHT, etc. I can possibly go back on it at a later time. Like Bill has suggested a many times when you have thyroid issues it's normally pertained to lacking in iodine as the main problem. I just can't handle it well at all though.
BTW, I have some Glutamine on the way. I'm also doing an herbal parasite 2 week cleanse with a formula I found on eBay. Has the standard parasite killing herbs in wormwood, cloves, & black walnut.
I want to ask you a couple more questions.
Is it OK to perform more than one Huda Clark zapping session daily? To my surprise, I've not had any significant detox/die-off symptoms yet after 4 days of zapping with both zappers.
I want to zap more from the thyroid area but just can't do that yet because of the burning sensation. Within a minute of placing the Terminator II around my neck/thyroid area I get significant burning. That's supposedly telling me acidity. However, I've checked my urine PH the last couple of days and it's been 7.6-7.7 which is good.
My urine PH hasn't been this high since becoming sick. It's not been above 6.9 for more than one day that I can remember. It's been as low as 6.2 at one time. I want to go slightly higher in PH in order for more rapid healing to take place. I can get it back down to normal range once I get more stable. Anyhow, enough rambling for now. Thanks again for your time Tim and God Bless!"
Is this the zapper you're referring to from eBay(the scaled down version)?
I have multiple health concerns. Viruses, bacteria, candida, and other unknown/undiagnosed conditions as well. You had mentioned the zapper to me before in a different topic.
I think it's time to seriously consider getting myself one. I just want to make sure I get the right one. I'm certainly not looking to purchase one that's expensive. Lord knows the amount of $ we've already spent in trying to get my health back. However, I do want to get one that truly works for multiple health issues like me. Thanks Timh!"
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "I would rotate, on a daily basis, the for-mentioned but also add Baking Soda and Borax for alkalization. Alkalization is a critical first step, without which may not see positive results of any other therapy.Also, as I have been zapping my spine in a successful endeavor the kill fungal meningitis, as well as some species of bacteria in my shoulder blades also with success; but I am also experiencing an additional benefit of killing warts and tags in that area which have been problematic for several yrs on. I have been scrapping and pulling pieces of these nasty growths off my shoulders and back for several days now. I would advise the use of the Don Croft Terminator Zapper as they are the best in use of small local area like the nose. An E-Bay seller has a scaled down model for about $35.00 if one cannot afford the $100+ 2nd edition Croft Zapper.
If rotating all these does not prove effective, a salve containing Bloodroot will likely put an end to this C. Also, one could apply Ozone from one of the generators designed especially for food & water purification. A small hose is included so the Ozone will concentrate if applied about 1/4-1/2 inch from the nose surface."
02/09/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "My apologies for not being specific; I did mean Topically."
02/11/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, this one is the scaled down version of the Terminator Zapper. I would not recommend this one for whole body zapping unless it is used in conjunction w/ any basic 30 khz zapper w/ handles. This model is best used for local application.Personally, zapping has been one of the most effective remedies I have used for chronic parasite & pathogen infections which have almost claimed my life in the past two yrs. I have only very recently found it absolutely necessary to zap w/ three different 30 khz zappers 3 times a day for aprox 30 min. per session. And I can say that I am finally getting the upper hand.
As for economy, a basic zapper is one of the best bang-for-the-buck remedies I know of. I would recommend this little Terminator Zapper along w/ another basic Hulda Clark (or equivalent) used simultaneously in your severe condition. Have some charcoal, clay or fiber ready because you will experience some rather severe herx. for a few days. Also, you may want to consider purchasing a 9 volt battery and recharge unit so you will save from having to purchase several non-recharge 9 volt batteries. You should get something like 40 hrs use from one battery.
Also, zapping increases the potency of pharmaceutical meds so do not zapp while medicating, unless you as much as half the dose."
02/11/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Timh for your reply back to me!What about the Terminator II zapper that's more expensive than the basic zapper? There's some on eBay for around $130. Would I still need to get one of the Huda Clark zappers in addition to the Terminator II zapper as well? I'm really trying to avoid the zappers like the ones from Huda Clark that require wrist straps and being hand held.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is would the Terminator II zapper be sufficient for whole body zapping? I've read quite a bit about these zappers including some of the Huda Clark zappers. There seems to be quite a few to choose from with the Huda Clark line of handheld zappers.
Unless I'm confused, it seems the $130 Terminator II zapper would work for whole body zapping but then again I'm totally new to zapping. I definitely want a zapper that can treat the entire body. I know I have organs involved with my sickness/diseases. If I can do this by purchasing only 1 zapper then that would be ideal.
As for the die-off, I've been going through this off and on for about 2 years now. I seem to have very little progress. I can't tell half the time whether it's my symptoms of disease are getting worse of actual die-off. I know when I see all that strange stuff in the toilet it's definitely die-off.
I'm also going to get ChemBuster to use alongside whatever zapper(s) I purchase. Have you tried the ChemBuster homeopathic treatment with your zapper treatment Tim? Maybe you haven't heard of it but the information about it is from Don Croft's zapper site. Any suggestions/help are greatly appreciated!"
02/12/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: The Terminator II Zapper is one of the top sellers w/ many people reporting benefits, so it seems you couldn't go wrong w/ it; my speculation is that the severity of your condition may require an additional zapper, like the basic Hulda C one which you can get for around $35.Do continue w/ your other nutrition based remedies and after introducing zapping you should see big improvements. Be sure to do an annual gallbladder as well as colon cleanse so to improve digestion & elimination.
No, I am not familiar w/ the chembuster. Thanks for the heads-up, I will check it out.
Hope to hear good news from you soon."
02/14/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Hello again Timh!I just want to make sure I get the right basic Huda Clark zapper. Is this the right one or not? Huda Clark Zapper Would this one work even if it's not the basic HC zapper? Remember, I'm also getting the Terminator II zapper as well.
BTW, ChemBuster works with all zappers. It's just a homeopathic remedy that gains extra strength when placed beside a zapper for a few minutes before taking it. Supposed to work with all pathways in the body for better elimination of pathogens and supports all organ regeneration/repair. Thanks again Tim and God Bless!"
02/15/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Yes, this one I have used w/ no problem for about 3 yrs. I got best results using this in a foot bath w/ added salt for conductivity; do this while using the terminator over glands and organs, including the spine. I think it was Beck who recommends zapping directly over the underside of the wrist for immediate blood purification."
02/18/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for replying back to me. So, the Huda Clark mini-zapper I linked is an acceptable one? That's good because it's not too expensive of an add-on to go with the Terminator II. Already purchased the Terminator II and waiting on shipment. Will go ahead now and also order the mini-zapper as well.That's interesting in you using the Huda Clark zapper with foot baths. I wasn't even thinking of using it this way. I know that the soles of our feet are a good detox pathway but it didn't even occur to me for zapping this way. I'll take your advice and use it in foot baths. Should I do the zapping foot baths daily as well? I assume you used sea salt and not table salt?
I plan on using the Terminator II for 30 minutes daily or so for the 1st week. I will gradually increase to where I can hopefully wear it 24 hours daily for a few weeks at one time. I pray that the detox/die-off isn't too bad. I've already been through enough suffering but if that's what it takes to get better then so be it. I have to stay strong! If things get too bad then I'll just reduce the zapping to a minimum until the detox symptoms get better.
I know that I have major overloads of various toxins and pathogens in my body. The doctors tell me I'm just fine! Yeah right! If I'm so fine then why in the heck am I still so sick? They have no clue! I know I'm very sick both physically and mentally. I don't need a doctor to tell me that anyhow! I know my body and we all know when something serious is wrong.
You don't have thyroid nodules along with goiter for nothing. Like Bill said, those symptoms alone are auto-immune Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Those symptoms are only a drop in the bucket for me. No energy! Extreme fatigue! Weight loss issues! Prostate/sexual dysfunctional issues! HSV(Herpes Simplex Virus)! Candida overgrowth! Past renal failure! Swollen Lymph Nodes in neck! Anxiety/Depression! Chronic back pain! You name it and I probably have it at this point.
These are systemic issues and definitely signs of multiple auto-immune conditions. The only thing the doctors have hit it right on is the anxiety/depression but hey it's all in our heads/minds in their eyes right? Yeah right! All sickness is just in our heads in their view! It's just ridiculous!
BTW, I see that you mention using the Terminator II directly over glands and organs. Is it OK to actually use the Terminator II directly over the thyroid? This seems to be my major area of concern even though I have multiple glands/organs being affected. I read that the Terminator II safest place for usage is the wrist/palm and the bottom of your foot. Once the body turns more alkaline you can then move it to other places without the burning sensation. Is this correct?
What benefits could I expect from the Huda Clark mini-zapper in comparison to the Terminator II? I thought the Huda Clark zappers where designed more for direct organ/gland targeting while the Don Croft zappers are more for the bloodstream. Could you elaborate a little more on this?
I really appreciate your information and helping me. I especially thank you for introducing me to zapping. After all the research I've done about my health issues I never came across zapping. God sent you to me for a reason. Please answer my follow up questions in more details! Thanks again Tim & God Bless!"
02/19/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. You are welcome for my input as my condition somewhat mirrors yours.I don't suppose to be an expert on zapping but I can say that due to the severity of my condition, zapping has gone a long way in preserving my life above ground. I was born w/ a disability that weakened my immune & detox function, and slowed my neurology; as a result my health was challenged at age 26 as it could not heal properly and by age 32-3 I acquired a severe environmental disease that almost killed me in 1996. Like yourself I received very little help from md's and it was their best intrest to diagnose psychological disease. I have, however, received life-saving care when I needed it, for which I am grateful.
Anyway, yes I use sea salt for conductivity although I haven't taken a footbath zap for some time as I am zapping w/ three devices simultaneously w/ pretty good results. Due to autoimmunity I am faced w/ what appears to be almost impossible task of eradicating 3 species of parasites plus chronic active viral hepatitis, plus fungal, plus bacterial. I have made good progress treating the fungal over the last 3-4 months by zapping immediately fallowing taking 200mg fluconazole. You can buy fluconazole on Ebay for your fish aquarium without rx. It seems you would also benefit from herbal parasite detox so do address that very likely issue. I get best results w/ herbal para plus Glutamine. Glutamine is the main fuel source for the immune cells in the gut.
Back to zapping. I chose the Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapper over the terminator in early Jan 14 then also purchased the basic terminator for local zapping. I am somewhat satisfied w/ the little progress I've made lately but there is such a long way to go, so tonight I zappet w/ all three frequencies of the Z4eX using the copper handles and got good results. I am now resolved to use this method w/ footbath for max result. I am also going to purchase battery recharger as the 2.5KHz and 15Hz use much more energy. Do let me/us know how you fare with the terminator2 and basic Hulda. My guess is you will show some noticeable improvement but other remedies will be required for any lasting and big relief. So, just experiment around with these two and report your results."
02/19/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thank you so much Tim for yet another very detailed and helpful reply. It certainly is eery similar in our health conditions. My mind has been in a whirlwind for the past few years. I've taken so many different supplements. Researched so much information about my health. My mind and body is tired for sure but I keep fighting the fight of faith.Seems like everything I try gives me either very little results or no results at all. I can't say the same as you in regards to life-saving care from medical doctors. When I had kidney failure back in 2012, I was only given IV fluids for my renal failure. They gave me absolutely nothing to help regenerate my kidney function. Baking soda water you could say saved my life but it was really Jesus Christ that allowed me more time here on this earth.
Even though my BUN and Creatinine numbers kept going up the hospital NEVER gave me anything other than IV fluids to help my kidneys. I thought for sure that my life on earth was coming to an end. Jesus had other plans though. So, I can't give the doctors any credit for saving my life. They could have done more but why they didn't is beyond my understanding.
As for the Diflucan, I will not ever take that stuff again. I was given two different courses of this medicine before I had kidney failure. I had pretty severe side effects from this drug. They were treating me for fungal issues but said I didn't have any fungal infections. Go figure! I know I have fungal overgrowth. I have a white coated tongue as a major proof. I was told that was perfectly normal for my age! Geez!
I'm not on any meds Tim. I've been able to stop the meds I was taking. Thank God for that!
I've even been able to stop my anxiety/depression meds. I believe this is due to higher dose niacin and magnesium. I think the niacin has tackled both blood pressure issues as well as my depression/anxiety. Niacin is well known for helping mental issues and a hosts of other health problems as well.
I too know that I have multiple pathogens involved. Viral, bacterial, fungal, and possibly even worms. My wife was diagnosed having worms a couple years ago. I probably have them as well. I've stopped going to all my doctors too Tim. They always look at me like I'm crazy and I'm just flat out sick and tired of it.
My nerves got so bad at one point that I had to be hospitalized temporarily in a mental unit. They still wouldn't give me anything strong enough to help my nerves. They haven't helped me at all. Made things worse on me by acting like they have and no help medically either.
I too purchased a set of rechargeable batteries to go along with a charger. I bought the charger type that will recharge multiple sorts of batteries(AA, AAA, C, D, 9V). Don't wanna have to fool with having to keep buying regular batteries. I'm going to put this Terminator II zapper to use for sure.
I'm actually going to a plan of treatment for mainly viral overload for a while. I'm going to use the BHT treatment protocol to go along with zapping of course. I've been treating almost exclusively for candida for the past 2 years now with very little progress. I know that I have candida overgrowth but I also have HSV.
So, treating the viral overload with a certain few supplements(BHT, Vit C, Monolaurin, B Complex, & standard multi-vitamin) and zapping then I will have all pathogens covered for treatment. This will also cut down on me having to take sooooooooo many different supplements. I'm absolutely tired of keeping up with 15+ supplements taken daily. Especially when I see basically no results.
HSV is probably the longest running sickness I've had going on. I've had it for close to 20 years now. Never taken any prescription meds for it either. Only L-Lysine treatment but that has been off and on through the years. All of my doctors tell me that HSV has absolutely nothing to do with my health issues. I know better!
Anyhow, I'll get back here with results on my progress. I want to thank you for being such a great help. I feel like I personally know you now. I guess it's because of our similar circumstances. Thanks again and God Bless you Tim!"
02/20/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. It's sure good that there are means & ways for society's rejects. My relations w/ md's continues a path of deterioration. The only real solution is this alternative route.I don't know if you have had hair analysis but it may be worth it or simply do some natural chelation. As for the parasite probability, buy a bottle of Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood and add some glutamine taken at least twice a day. One of the big problems w/ parasites is they excrete all kinds of nasty stuff like acids, bacteria, viruses, funguses. These infections will never respond to treatment because the source continues there existence.
As for the viral, I have been taking BHT for almost 2 yrs now. I take 250mg 2x day. For maximum effect I fallow the BHT 15 min. later w/ one of the antiviral herbs: Chanca Piedra, Echinacia, or St JohnsWort.
For my kidneys I occasionally take either D Mannose or cranberry fallowed 30 minutes later w/ Dr Christopher's herbal. Kidney/bladder formula.
If you cannot tolerate the "conazole" antifungals you may want to consider Lufeneuron. I have had good results w/ L.
Maintain a positive mental attitude, be very smart and aggressive has been one of my mantras lately.
If you haven't tried Lipo C you may better read up on that. I have been doing home made Lipo C, Borax, and herbal para all with lifesaving effects. I began last Aug and I can say that I would not be alive today were it not for those remedies."
02/19/2014: Justin from Chiapas, Mexico: "Hello Mmsg from Somewhere Europe,my name is Justin and I just came across your posting because it was related to Zappers. I don't know a whole lot about Zappers though I did buy one some years back ....I got the Terminator.
I'm not sure if anyone has already suggested this but are you familiar with a substance called "black salve"? I think it is primarily made from a few plants that grow in the dessert of SW USA, though for all I know people are also making it in other parts of the world. Anyway it is all natural. I first learned aboat it by reading something Jim Humble had written aboat using both MMS in conjunction with this specific black salve called "Indian Herb". Google them and you will find their web site. people with cancers and other illnesses have been treating them selves externally and internally with this salve. And from all that I have read and the Youtube videos I have seen the stuff really works. There are video blogs of people who apply black salve directly on top of there carcenomas and within a few days the salve actually eats down into the cancer and pulls it out by the roots. Leaving behind a clean hole where the cancer was and Then in time the skin just grows back and the body heals itself. I read aboat one guy who had prostate cancer and he cured himself by smearing black salve directly onto his cancer. Really I think it is a miraculous medicine, though I can not speak from personal experience seeing as I have never used it.
I purchased this salve some years back and called the business just to ask about the product and I got the owner on the phone. And she was super sweet and took the time to answer my questions.
cool well I sincerely hope you find the remedy and treatment to heal yourself. I wish you all the very best.....justin"
02/20/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another great response. I have not had a hair analysis done because around here for some reason they want too much to do it. I read that it's supposed to be relatively cheap but there are only a couple options here locally and they want too much to have it done. The homeopathic doctor that was treating me I WILL NOT go back to her period. She got over $3,000 of our savings in just a 4 month period. I saw no results!I have used chelated minerals and supplements but they just like most other supplements I've used don't seem to do much either. I had told you about ChemBuster. This is a combination remedy of 13 different substances to use with zapping. A zapper placed beside the bottle for 5-10 minutes before taking makes it more potent.
The 13 total ingredients are 4 herbals and 9 homeopathics. I don't think I'll need to take any other herbal combination formula for parasites. One particular compound in the ChemBuster is solely for parasites. The substance is called Juglans nigra 6X.
I also don't want to take too much stuff. Lord knows I was having major problems keeping up with taking all I've been taking. I want to take as least amount of supplements as possible to go with zapping. Zapping is going to be my main area of focus for a while. I will have both the Terminator II zapper and one of the Huda Clark mini-zappers hopefully by early next week. Shipment is on its way!
To be honest, I'm actually excited to know that I may have finally came across something that will finally make a turnaround for me that doesn't involve taking something internally. I'm tired of so many darn supplements. I'm still going to take a few supplements. Like the ones I had mentioned in my previous reply.
I think I will add some Glutamine as per your suggestion. Maybe some probiotcs as well. I have the probiotics already on hand but will have to order some Glutamine. Do you have a preferred brand of Glutamine or will most any brand work?
I've also never heard of Lufeneuron. Is this a drug or natural supplement?
I try to maintain a positive attitude. It's been really hard. There's times that I don't even feel like getting out of bed. I do keep pushing on with the strength through Jesus. I also have a wonderful wife and a son that makes me keep wanting to live. I have came close at times to giving up. I'm just being flat out honest here. When you feel this bad it's hard to keep going. But, I do with the help of Jesus and my family.
I've also not heard of Lipo C either. I'll do some Googling on that one too. Borax hasn't done anything for me either. As a matter of fact, not much success at all in the fungal part of my sickness/disease.
I'll keep you posted on my results. Just waiting now on my zappers to arrive to get things going again. Then, I'll start back on the supplements again as well. Hopefully with this new approach things will start to get better soon. I'm just looking for better days ahead! Thanks again for your help and God Bless you Tim!"
02/22/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony: Yes, the zapping will likely help enough to get some energy and confidence back into your fight. The Glutamine will also help in conjunction w/ probiotics. Whatever Glutamine you can find at a good price, either caps, tabs or powder. Athlete's use much G as it helps build muscle, so it is very available. You will most definitely prosper from the lipo-c. You can make it at home at low cost but high results. Lipo-C is demonstrated several times more powerful by volume than I.V. C. Several good vids on YouTube. Here is a link specifically for production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI. This is the method I use.You may need to also try some DGL/Allantoin to rebuild your gut. It's been a mainstay for me for many yrs. I only take it when I have a flair up. "
02/22/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks again Tim for a response back to me!I now have received both zappers. Started with the Terminator II last night. Placed it on the right sole of my foot. Left it on all night. It was a little uncomfortable especially with my night-time bathroom trips. However, wake up this morning to see two black spots where the copper discs were on my sole. That's a good sign of detox. It's gonna take a few days to get used to using overnight.
I also have been zapping in specific areas with the Terminator II. Received it yesterday and the Huda Clark mini-zapper today. Gonna do a session with that zapper later today. 3X 7 minute session w/20 minutes in between.
I've tried the Terminator II on different areas but some areas I get a pretty significant stinging/burning sensation. That just tells me how acidic my body is in. Even get the burning on my back/spine. Tried the neck/thyroid area temporarily but way too much stinging there. Doesn't surprise me there with my thyroid issues.
Not bad at all in the stomach area(liver, spleen, pancreas, etc.) so using it there quite a bit. I also know I have serious digestive issues. Will wait for the acidity to subside before going back to the neck area. Hopefully, I can go to the back/spine area soon as well. I know I have spine issues too! Too much pain in my entire back area.
Once I get a few days of zapping with the Huda Clark one then hopefully that will take care of helping in the bloodstream so I can start using the Terminator II in multiple areas without the burning sensation.
Is it OK to zap with both units at the same time? Thought about doing that too!
I just went ahead and ordered some Lipo C from eBay. The brand made by Dr. Mercola. I've used his products in the past. They do work better than most for me. Especially his immune formula with medicinal mushrooms. His products are too high in price though. I do respect his view on health though.
Isn't DGL Licorice? I remember reading about that I believe in the past. Maybe I have the initials wrong thinking it's something else and not Licorice.
Staying positive and by your suggestion also staying aggressive. Was going to go slower with the Terminator zapping at only 30 minutes daily to start but decided to use it longer. 8-16 hours daily to start is what I'm shooting for and that includes the overnight usage during sleep.
Tim, could you tell me how to properly take a foot bath with the Clark zapper? Do I actually place the copper tubes in the foot bath water and then place my feet into a sea salt water solution with the tubes in place? Can't find any specific instruction on the net for this. Don't want to cause any dangerous problems with this foot bath. Please tell me how this is to be done. Thanks!
In a week or two I'm gonna shoot for the entire 24 hour day with the Terminator II and the 3X 7 minute daily zapping session with the other zapper. Thanks again for your time and God Bless!"
02/23/2014: Timh from Ky, Usa: "Tony. Good to hear of your beginning zapping. Using both at the same time will be the most powerful as will the footbath. There is a web article on the fbz somewhere and I have posted the link somewhere here on E.C. so a search here should bring it up. I use separate containers one for each foot w/ warm sea salt water. Place the copper handle between the first and second toes for stabilization. I experienced major herx reaction for almost a week during my first fbz.DGL is the "safe" form of licorice and used in conjunction w/ the Allantoin will heal the gut rapidly.
I forgot to respond to your Lufenuron question. Lufenuron is an otc pet meds for controlling fleas but someone discovered that it also kills fungus by inhibiting the hard exoskeleton Chitin layer that protects the fleas and funguses. Lufenuron is a safe chemical compound listed as a "chitin inhibitor"."
02/23/2014: Tony from Tn, Usa: "Thanks Tim for yet another reply. I've taken some time to search here at EC for the footbath suggestions but way too many results. Looked through a few of them but no luck finding your specific comment/link. Are the alligator clips actually safe in water? That was my main concern with the footbaths with a zapper like the Huda Clark ones. I know the Terminator II zapper can't get wet so I know that zapper isn't safe in water.Also, I had a strange reaction last night with the Terminator II zapper. I switched to the left foot last night. I woke up in the middle of the night with burning/tingling sensation in my left foot/leg. The zapper isn't supposed to burn when using on the soles of feet. What do you think caused that?
I know that I'm acidic but the soles and palms are