Are the instructions for demodex, or sarcoptic mange, or both?
Hi. I rescued an intact, bluenose Pit about about three weeks ago. Shes a year and a fw months, I later found out. She has what I figured was mange. I later found out whos litter she was originally from, and that the whole litter got it from the mother. Ive assumed, based on research, that this is demo mange. She'll itch sometimes, mostly hotspots, (her neck and neckback)but not constantly. Shes ALWAYS shakin off like shes wet as if she felt something was on her... And she stinks!
Anyway, I bathed her as soon as I found her, and did the used motor oil thing as advised by two people with pretty good dog knowledge n experience. I didnt rinse it off, then days later I was told I was supposed 2 rinse it off after a while SMH. I didnt really like the idea of the oil so I started researching after I did it once.
I found out that it can do more harm than good, and I found the borax treatment, and then I found this site. I also gave her a dose of Revolution a few days afta I got her. The first Borax bath was on 4/22. I bathed her with sulfodene first and just poured the peroxide solution on her from her head down her back from a bottle. Needless 2 say, half of it was wasted and I doubt it was effective. The next 5 times so far, ive improved this bath process by far. I sponge her down all over paying attention 2 her bald/hot/redspots. I do her head n face, her eyes, she closes them anyway. I sponge and spray her undersides, and pour the last of it all on her. Then, I let her go NO DRYING. She acts like a retard 4 a while shakin n runnin round. She get a borax bath twice weekly 4now, every other time with an initial sulfodene shampoo/teatree oil soap bathe. 1 bottle of H2O2, two bottle full of water(use the empty peroxide bottle), and at least 3 tblsn of 20 mule borax till it wont dissolve nomore(and I shake it). I also mix 1part raw organic ACV (with the mothers) and enuff borax till saturated and spray her regularly, and rub her hotspots and baldspots with cottonballs w that. I also put cooking oil on the hot/bald/balding spots sometimes.
Sometimes I make a borax paste wit the H2O2 n water, or ACV n water and rub it on her bad spots. BTW, She doesnt really appreciate any of this 2much, especially the spraying.
I put a capfull ACV in her drinking water, and sometimes a pinch of borax 2. I hav her on groundmeat and liver wit sum veggies if I hav any. I season it n brown it a bit, so its not fully raw. If I dont have meat 4her, I give her Merrick or Wellness (canned preferably) Their ingredients are good. I throw two calcium supplements in her food and cover it wit brewers yeast. She also gets some brewers yeast w/garlic capsules daily which she loves. Im tryn a opmimize her immune system.
Glad 2 say her stink has eased off over the last week or so. The rawness, black scabs and bleeding from her rubbing her neck/back on anything have also eased off little by little. She seems less irritated then she was. And she is in heat now! Im assuming this may have brung on the outbreak, as it seemed it got worse rt after I got her. 2day, b4 her bathe I noticed hair growth on her hotspots... YEAH! Its been a lil over 2 weeks, and 2day was her sixth borax bathe. Seems 2 b improving so far. I'll keep u posted.
PLease excuse me if I repeat what someone else said. Demodectic mange IS contagious!!! Mites are alive, and they DO travel!!!!! If you have an area where a dog with demodectic mange, and there is another dog that, within a few minutes, walks over the area, or plays, etc... The next dog CAN get the mange. If a dog has the demodectic mange and touches nose to nose, if the demodex is on the face, it will spread to another dog!!! I had some vets tell me it is not, and some say exactly what I described. Do not think it cannot be spread. It does flare up during puppy growth spurts, stress, and a weak immune system. If a dog has a weak immune system, there is much more of a chance, although any could get demodex. I have had the experience of it spreading from one puppy to another, and they were NOT litter mates! Proof was all I needed! I cleaned and cleaned until all mites were gone!! YES, you do need to clean the area the dog lives in!!! And even spray outside. Better safe than sorry!
Short of wrestling on the floor with my dogs and waiting to see if I get bites, how do I know when their Mange is completely cured?
I've been using the remedy for mange because I thought my puppy had mange, due to excessive biting/itching/chewing/whining and screaming. She does not have fleas and I thought she was probably too young for allergies (at 9 weeks old) She has the hair thinning like with mange. I used the remedy once, and the next day she was screaming/biting/chewing again. So I used the remedy the next day, but with vinegar instead. This seemed to help somewhat... She didn't itch as much and her skin turned white again (instead of hot pink! )
I waited one day and then I woke up itching all over. I cleaned my entire house, thinking we were getting the mites. I mopped, vacuumed after sprinkling diatomaceous earth, washed her bedding/toys and blankets. I sprayed the mixture outside where she lays and plays. I dumped it all over my porch, where she lays. Today, she woke up screaming and howling again, itching like mad, two days after the last application. So I bathed her again. This time her skin peeled off. She has horrible sores all over her body now, bright red patchy skin and swelling. WHAT DID I DO WRONG? Did I use the mixture too often? She just keeps itching like crazy. Maybe it's not mange? I haven't taken her to the vet to make 100% sure. Any advice or help would be GREATLY appreciated. I am scared I am killing her and I feel so sorry for her with the pain and suffering I know she is in!! Oh, Benadryl (antihistamine) does help her sleep at night. Should I continue with that? Thanks!!
(Portsmouth, Ri Usa)
This is for Jenn from Memphis who wrote in on 11/03.
Wanted to respond to your post - and hope that your dog is doing better. Am passing along my experience with MANGE in hopes that it will help people and their pets. You mentioned you thought you were killing your dog bc of the dogs crying. I just wanted to reassure you that you are not killing your dog. The terrible crying is probably from the mange- the mites burrow into the skin and bite- basically driving your dog mad.
I have just finished ( I hope)a 10 month long battle with scabies/mange. For the first 8 months and 10 visits to the vet my dog was misdiagnosed and my bank account drained by thousands. During this time I tried baths, sprays, benadryl, antibiotic ointments, pills from the vet, steroid injections and the list goes on. NOTHING gave my dog relief- and during this whole time he howled and cried constantly unless he was busy eating himself alive and throwing himself against walls because he was so distressed. He lost all of his hair- skin broken, bumpy, raw, bite and scratch marks. It was terrible and I thought many times about putting him to sleep because he was miserable and until he was diagnosed I thought I was killing him.
As it turns out the vet trt for mange if caught early is pretty straightforward, effective, and inexpensive. Since mange is difficult for the vet to see unless they do a biopsy (scrapings rarely show the mite)a diagnosis is usually the response to treatment. The treatment is Revolution which is a topical like Frontline and Ivermectin. Then there are other washes and dips I am not familiar with. My dog was out of his mind- and would bite anything near him- including me. He was in so much pain he did not know what he was doing. The itching was also far worse at nite- I am told that this is bc the mites are more active at nite. If you can afford to go to the vet now and start these treatments you will save money in the long run bc you will avoid the secondary skin infections which will require antibiotics and further treatment. If your vet recommends treatment with Revolution and it is too expensive - Pfizer is the company that makes Revolution and they may have some financial programs available to help with cost. Good luck and don't give up. You can email me directly as well @melaniejsmith(at)cox(dot)net
It's my understanding, Ivermectin is very toxic? and because my kittens immune system is very low she might be at risk for just about any thing. I also understand that at one time there was a recall on frontline?I get my cats flea & tick treatments at a very busy popular herbal store. , I have been using the natural things for way over fifteen years for my self and my animals and hopefully no complaints as of yet. I thought the moral of this story was to try an get away from vets. Expenses?and conventional treatments? when all else fails then I might have to throw the towel in and go to my vet. For help. Thanks
(Johannesburg, South Africa)
I tried Ted's hydrogen peroxide, borax, and water solution last year on my 2-year old German Shepard after several visits to the vet with no relief. The mites went from her feet to her face (eye brows and ears). Nothing helped until I used this solution. This year the same thing happened again. I've been dipping her feet in a jar of this solution and stopped the spread so far. My question is.... What is causing this recurrence? The vet says it could be an environmental allergy that we will have to deal with forever.
Sarcoptic Mange: I think our Shetland Sheepdog has had mange for about a year. Took 3 separate visits to the vet to get it diagnosed and he has put her on Invectin. It appears to be killing her. I have printed out about 20 of your home remedies and we will start immediately to see if we can save Scout's life. I will let you know what, if anything, has worked. This site has given me some hope.
ANY VET should KNOW that you cannot prescribe SHETLAND SHEEPDOGS *any herding dog* IVERMECTIN!!!!!!!! I cannot believe that he did this. They have a genetic hypersensitivity to it. It will kill them. SMH!
How is Scout? I cannot believe a vet prescribe Ivermectin to a Sheltie. Actually, I can believe it, I had a vet give one of my adoptees Revolution and Sentinel at the same time, he's only 7 pounds. The adopter called and told me he threw it up and I was PO'd that he gave those two things together. I told her you have to double check everything, especially meds, even if you trust your vet. Always question everything.
Damned sure will. That vet needs to do a lot more research. My friend didn't have a clue either. She gave Sammy just a little more than a pin drop.Sammy came to me was running into the wall, cabinets trying to tell me something was very wrong. It causes the brain to swell. He was totally blind just over night. Almost killed him. Lucky we caught it in time!!! He spent a week at Dr. MC Brides clinic. Mc Brides clinic is in Burnet Texas.. This man is a genuis!!!!! Have your vet call this man he'll give him some very important information. Frankenstein of the Veterinary World. I have had lots of people tell me stories about him before I was even born...
Get Dog Tested for Allergies
I am in rescue & with 8-9 dogs most of the time I run into all kinds of problems. I have had serious side effects from meds so- I have mostly gone natural.
My Benji got ringworm 4 years ago & then mange & bacteria infection. Got rid of the RW but for 4 years the mange & bacteria has come & gone every few month. Yes I tried the borax 7etc & it works but he kept getting it back. Finally I insisted on an allergy test.The vet said no way is that the problem but i INSISTED!!!!!!
Sure enough he had lots of allergies & mostly foods. I had him on a really good holistic dog food. BUT His allergies were beef-fish-barley oats- potatoes - sweet potatoes- lamb - grass- dust mites to name a few.
I immediately changed foods. He now gets chicken & rice only - no perservatives & no treats unless they are chicken. Guess what he has been great for 6 months - back to his old self. Yes he has scars & always will as he had it so bad he bleed all the time from the sores. But this was the culprit. So if you have skin problems check for allergies - ivemectin & antibotics for 4 years without stop. That's not good.
I also sprayed him with collidal silver & it also works.
Glover' S Shampoo and Coniditioner, Sulphur
On my dog I had tried everything available except for Ivermectin. I decided To Shampoo my dog with Glover's Medicated Shampoo, and I brushed all the scabs and flakes off. I then greased him with the Glover's dandruf oil for scalp and hair. It's available in liquid. I first noticed the next day he was flea free. Three days later I repeated my steps, shampoo with the Glover's medicated shamoo, brush away flakes and scabs and oil him with the liquid medicine for scalp and hair. Well, the fleas are gone, and the mange is leaving. Hair has started growing back in areas and he isn't scratching all night. This is an enexpensive treatment and it works. ALso, I went to the feed store and got some sulfur and put it out in the backyard where the dog is. SO far so good
Heart Worm Medication Connection
My chocolate lab was a rescue dog. I took her to the vet for spaying and various shots and pills.A week later she lost all her hair. I mean she was a mexican hairless, and scratching all the time. She was tested for both manges..negative. put on special shampoo and diet nothing. I forgot to give her her second dose of heartworm medicine and her hair started to grow back i have not given her her heart medicine and $4,000 later she's fine.Will garlic work for heart worms, I now have a black lab puppy i am giving garlic to for worms.
One note on using Diatomaceous Earth for worms. It will only work on parasites that it contacts, not heart worms, as they are not in the intestinal tract. I used to give DE to my dogs, then discovered 2 of 6 had round worms, and one had tape worms, so quit giving it all together. I changed to using garlic in their home made foods, and since that time, not one of them has had worms that I have discovered since.
If you live in an area where heart worm is prevalent, please use a good natural mosquito repellent liberally and faithfully to keep your best friend from getting it! The treatment for a heart worm positive dog is brutal, and not something I would wish on anyone.
Years ago, I had a kenneled Dachshund become mangy. I used Herbettes For Pets - had to order it from California. Tucked it into gooseliver and fed it daily to all my Doxies, and it cleared right up and haired over. The Herbettes also got rid of worms. Good stuff. Kind of expensive, but worth it.
I forget which type of mange it was, but the vet said it was sometimes incurable and gave me something like wallpaper cleaner to plaster on it after a DAILY bath ! I skipped the bath,and the medicine which I tho't was hopeless, and the Herbettes cleared it up. It also cleared up the eyes on a Toy Poodle. The vet had tho't an operation would be necessary, but it wasn't and the eye returned from foggy to normal looking.
Dog Mange: Just poured liberal amount of common household peroxide on infected area. started to work immediately, very glad I looked at this site, thank you all. Norm
(Newland, North Carolina)
omg I just realized something, I have a beautiful but now miserable and no hair on the face 15wk old german shepherd pup I saved. He was born with mange contracted from mom and had 12 littermates. He had been treated by the vet before I got him and wormed and the mange at that time was only on the face (3 weeks ago), he was clearing up and doing great, hair growing back, everything, I had to give him his 2nd worming pill last week and now he is so much worse! Duh, could it have been the wormer that caused his reversal? I'm thinking maybe!
i have found giving dog rubdown with 3% peroxide cures skin diseases very quickly, he will scratch and itch for awhile but it will clean up his skin in less then 3 days, i have street puppy in philippines and used peroxide and could not beleive how fast his fur grew back i used small cotton and swabbed the peroxide on the worst spots first then next day put it in my hand and rubbed it all over
(Montague, New Jersey)
Can I use 3 parts of hydrogen peroxid shampoo with 1 part of water for my 6 month old doberman then after 10 minutes rinse it with water?
That is what I am using right now, hydrogen peroxide shampoo left on for 10 mins, with no effect. I am gonna try something stronger this time.
EC: Please see Ted's popular mange remedy here: https://www.earthclinic.com/pets/dog_mange_cure.html
(Chennai, Tamilnadu, india)
Hydrogen Peroxide, Apple Cider Vinegar, Vitamin E
I have cured this condition and other severe skin conditions in cats and dogs with the following:
Initially ( wear surgical gloves ): washing the area with a mixture of peroxide and apple cider vinegar, watered down a bit to ease the discomfort/burning. Massaging this in. Pat dry any excess.
Next: massage the affected area with a very high IU content of Vitamin E Liquid ( I used 30,000 or 35,000 ). ( I also cured my own life-long Eczema of the hands with this strength of Vitamin E, the lower strengths do not have the same effect. )
I repeated the Liquid massage with peroxide and apple cider vinegar for only 3x ( 3 days in a row ); after that only the Vitamin E massage 2x a day until obvious clearing took place. ( Within 2 weeks or less, hair was returning nicely. )
Hydrogen Peroxide, Hand Sanitizer
I have a pit bull with the red mange- reason for me knowing exactly what he has is its the breeder has 2 of his brothers from the same litter and they both have this as well. I at this moment have a tight budget and cannot afford to take my poor pup to the vet and decided to do research since this has to do with bacteria and mites I thought of peroxide and hand sanitizer which both kill bacteria and will hopefully suffocate the mites. I drenched and rubbed my dog from head to toe with peroxide and waited about 10-15 min then rinsed it off and then waited another 10 min and rubbed the hand sanitizer and left it on all last night. When I woke up this morning he was jumping and wagging his tail, he is still scratching and bleeding because he had gotten really bad, but I hope this will start to help until I try all the other stuff I have read on here. I cried my butt off doing this to him and he never once yelped or ran away from me, so I believe I must be doing something safe. If anyone thinks I might be harming my baby please let me know, or if any suggestions please help me, I don't want him to be put down..