Vaccination Discussion Board

| Modified on May 29, 2023
Shingles Vaccine Reactions
Posted by Mari (Los Angeles, CA) on 11/23/2021
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Has anyone had a reaction to a shingles vaccine and do you know of any MD's or natural health practitioners who know how to treat a reaction to it? At the suggestion of her physician, a friend of mine had a Zostavax shot back in 2015 and within a week her head and neck started itching from these pimples that started erupting. This reaction has NOT gone away and just keeps getting worse. It's like she has had shingles for six years! Because of the number of adverse reactions to Zostavax, it was taken off the market in 2018. Knowing what she knows now, my friend has said she wished she had said "no" to the shot because if she had come down with shingles she would have been over it in a couple of months. She has tried a lot of natural and pharmaceutical treatments, but nothing really helps.

Posted by Mari (Los Angeles) on 11/23/2021

Yeah, the old Gulf War Syndrome.

Guilliain Barre
Posted by Mari (Los Angeles) on 11/23/2021

I know of 2 women who were affected by flu shots. Back in 1976 when there was the Swine Flu scare, the mother-in-law of a gal I worked with was paralyzed from it. Another friend's mother got a flu shot before a trip on an ocean liner up to Alaska. On her return, she began complaining of her legs not holding her up. Fortunately, she was diagnosed with Guillaine Barre and they stopped the paralysis in time.

Kidney Transplants and the Flu Vaccine
Posted by Charity (Faithville, US) on 08/05/2019

I would like to pull Teds' information for heavy metal poisoning into this current site so here is the link I would also encourage you to go on youtube and visit Eric Berg teachings on cortisol and how to turn it off and restoration of gut health

Kidney Transplants and the Flu Vaccine
Posted by Wendy (Columbus, OH) on 03/11/2019

Has anyone, with a kidney transplant, received the flu vaccine? My docs, at each and every visit, continue to ask if I've gotten it, and I say no (because I won't get it) and try not to go into details as to why I won't get it since the doc's eyes start to glaze over! I have never, ever had the flu in my 64 years of life (big knock on wood, of course), and rarely get sick, even with a cold or cough. I maintain a healthy lifestyle, including almost being "anal" when it comes to washing my hands, and cleansing my surrounding areas (desk at work, my PC keyboard & phone with alcohol wipes, etc.).

I'm really concerned about the possibility (listen to the March 5, 2019 senate hearing at of the flu vaccine being MANDATORY for fear I would unavoidably get the flu from the vaccine itself. Since I'm on immuno-suppressant drugs for the rest of my life, I fear that the vaccine would cause irreparable damage to my own system. Any comments, insights, FACTS, would be appreciated!

T-Dap Vaccination
Posted by Holly (Georgia, US) on 10/13/2020

I know your comment is really old but I hope you see my response.

I had a tetanus shot years ago and developed horrible cystic acne all over my face. It wasn't until I started taking full flush niacin (for another health issue) that my face cleared up. Niacin detoxes the liver. The flush version is the kind you want for detox. Make sure you prepare yourself for the flush if you haven't had one. The first time can be a little weird. I mistakenly took time released naicin once and it spiked my liver enzymes whereas pure niacin has never done that.

You will hear people say niacin can hurt your liver but I believe the flush free and time release are the harmful ones.

Anyway, my fave is fully clear now. The tdap isn't even necessary because tetanus is in animal feces. So, unless you step on something sharp that pierces your skin and then step in horse feces, it's HIGHLY unlikely you'll get tetanus. Also, tetanus is killed instantly by oxygen so if you ever do get poked with something and it breaks the skin, hydrogen peroxide would kill any potential tetanus.

Flu Shots
Posted by Flower's Mom (Pueblo Of Acoma, Nm) on 10/25/2018

Hi Patty B, I do not get a flu shot, but the only time I did (because my employer required it) I got sick and was literally on my back for 2 weeks. I have learned the hard way to not put anything in or on my body unless I am certain what it is and where it came from. If I do not want to eat it, I do not put it into my body because, eventually, it will end up in your bloodstream and your body will have to deal with it. That being said, I prefer to keep my immune system strong, using clean eating and pure supplements when necessary, and treating myself naturally when I get under the weather. And Earth Clinic, thank the benevolent Creator and all the wonderful people who are a part of this site, is my number one resource. I hope that is helpful, and wish you the best of health.

Flower's Mom

Flu Shots
Posted by Patti B (Pa) on 10/24/2018

I was wondering how people feel about getting the flu shot. I am 58 and have never had one. I know of 2 people that contracted Guillain Barre Syndrome after receiving a flu shot. Coincidence?

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Constance (Michigan) on 04/15/2017

Hi daughter is do to give birth in a few weeks and was given the prenatal whooping cough vaccine with more vaccines to follow after birth. I am concerned. I would love to connect with you and more so with my daughter....Do you happen to have a blog or other way to engage with you?

Concerned in Michigan......Constance

Chicken Pox
Posted by Suzanne (California) on 11/05/2016

That is true, chicken pox is a childhood illness that children were supposed to get to provide lifetime immunity. Also, these illnesses do build up the immune system. They don't talk about that anymore since they are trying to sell vaccines.

Flu Shots
Posted by Kelly (Cambridge, Ma) on 10/17/2016

While I have nothing data-driven or scientific to report regarding flu shots, I can tell you that I never get them anymore.

I've only had a flu shot twice in my life (I'm 58) and both times, I was sick all winter! The first time, I chalked it up to being a fluke, but after I'd skipped a couple of years, then decided to get another one, I was sick all winter that year, too.

I've always had a strong immune system (knock wood). I go years without so much as a head cold. My last cold was 5 years ago. Everyone around me can be hacking and sneezing, and somehow, I manage to escape the cooties. ;-)

When I was sick off/on all winter the two times I got the flu shot, I put two and two together and stopped getting the shots.

When my doctor suggests the shot every year and I decline, explaining what I did here, he says; "It's a fallacy that flu shots can make you sick." Fallacy/schmallacy; if it ain't broke, don't fix it! ;-)

Flu Shots
Posted by Namaw (Bama) on 10/16/2016

I normally would avoid the flu shot. due to my dh's very poor health, I do take it. It would just kill me for him to get the flu and deteriorate further, so I'll risk it. You need to weigh the risks--how much exposure will you have to mom and baby? Do you practice good health hygiene? I know that my DD keeps the grandkids away if anything is going around school and, if they must be around him, then they are extra careful about using tissues, hand washing, etc. He's been ill their entire lives, so they've been well trained.

Flu Shots
Posted by Deborah C (Ga) on 10/16/2016

Do you recommend taking a Flu Shot? My niece is pregnant and was informed by her pediatrician that all family members should have a Flu Shot if they wanted to have contact with the baby...I disagree with taking a Flu Shot. Tell me your opinion about this matter.

Posted by Ben (Bremerton, Washington ) on 03/02/2016

In typical fda fashion looking out for drug company interests rather than us, the fda is fast tracking approval of a deadly vaccine adjuvant called fluad. This was tested in gulf war soldiers being called at the time mf -59. Today more than 675 thousand soldiers are suffering effects believed to be as a result of exposure to this vaccine adjuvant and other harmful chemicals added to the witches brew we call vaccines.

The main component of mf-59 is squalene. This oil based chemical was originally called freund's adjuvant after the doctor who developed it.

What doctor freund found was when he injected squalene or as he called it freund"s adjuvant the test animals suffered the most horrific immune system reactions which caused extreme autoimmune symptoms. The immune system would literally go berserk and begin attacking healthy tissues .

Many of you have trusted your doctor rolled up your sleeve and got vaccinated. Today you might be sick and have no explanation of why you are sick. Well a simple test exists to check and see if squalene might be harming you. Your doctor can give you a test for antisqualene antibodies.

The drug companies like squalene and plan to introduce much more of this deadly substance into future vaccines. Do your homework , study this deadly chemical adjuvant before it ruins your health

Gardasil Side Effects
Posted by Deb (Riverview, Fl.) on 09/14/2015

I'm sorry I don't know how to post websites w/o copy & paste. Go to Weston A Price, click on their health topics, go down to vaccine. I have others, Natural News, search their HPV & vaccine. Vaccines are for profit only & they can't be sued so they don't care if they harm or not. I have more sites, just don't know how to post them. Best to you!

Gardasil Side Effects
Posted by Suzanne (Seattle, Wa) on 09/14/2015

Hello, it's been years since you posted, but I was curious if the doctors ever discovered what was the matter with your sister? The Epstein-Barr virus (mono) is thought to play a role in triggering Hashimoto's thyroiditis, an autoimmune thyroid disease. I would recommend getting her thyroid levels tested if that hasn't already been done.

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Suzanne (California) on 08/18/2015

I travelled to India January 2014. I can tell you that worrying about shots isn't the real worry. The real worry is getting giardia over there. Research how people prevent it. I wish I had done that ahead of time because I have been sick with it for going on 2 years. It is nasty and has seriously impacted my life.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 07/01/2015

Dear Valerie,

Doing things to boost the immune system before vaccines, should help your child to deal better with the vaccine. Things like Vitamin C, Vitamin D, healthy food and less sugar.

Astragalus Root is a gentle but effective herb and used as food in some cultures. Taking this daily will help the body to fight infections.

You can buy or make Elderberry Syrup. It is great for the immune system and easy to get children to take. Taking it a few days before, the day of, and several days after a vaccine should be helpful.

Children get lots of vaccines at once. This is sometimes part of the problem - the immune system gets overwhelmed. If possible, space vaccines out. This may mean more trips to the doctor's office, but will be less of a stress to the child's immune system. If your child needs vaccines to go to school, you may be able to work out a schedule for vaccinations that would delay the beginning of the vaccines until the child is a little older. Getting vaccines spaced out when a child is between 2-4 years old instead of having a whole bunch the first year of life, will be less of a stress on the system.

~Mama to Many~

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Timh (Ky) on 07/01/2015 2072 posts

V: So glad you asked this question as it is of utmost importance. So many people (professional health care providers included) that constantly spout out the "dangers of vaccines" yet never provide any prevention (something they preach) strategies.

So, here's my take. Mercury alone is very toxic, so supplementing Selenium will go a long way in preventing problems. To be exact, there are a number of vitamins & minerals that aid in detox & metabolism so supplementing a high quality health food store brand children's vit/min will go a long way (plus the extra Selenium). But there are several more toxic ingredience that require removal. Two easy detox methods are Detox Foot Pads and Oil Pulling.

If none of the above methods prevent the occasion of autism-like symptoms, an MMS minimal daily dose will clean up all toxic residues. You can read more at Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Valerie (Utah) on 06/29/2015

Now that California is requiring immunizations to get into school, I'm wondering if there is a way to pull the immunization toxicity from the body to minimize the damaging effects.

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Caleb (Missouri, US) on 03/03/2015

Hello, while I completely understand the concerns you have about getting certain vaccines, as well as your wish to seek out natural remedies and immune boosters, there are some things I think you should be aware of. When traveling to third world and developing countries such as India, a person should take the proper precautions to protect themselves from sickness and disease. According to the Center for Disease Control, the potential diseases a person could contract in India are: Hepatitis A and B, Typhoid, Malaria, cholera, and Japanese Encephalitis. In the case of Japanese Encephalitis, there are reported human cases in nearly all states, with high rates in southern India where there is year round contamination season in some places. Japanese encephalitis otherwise known as JE virus is a single-stranded RNA virus that belongs to the genus Flavivirus and is closely related to West Nile and Saint Louis encephalitis viruses. JE virus is transmitted to humans through the bite of an infected mosquito. In the case of Typhoid, also known as enteric fever, there are 21.5 million persons who come in contact with Typhoid in developing countries each year. Typhoid is life threatening and is the top most communicable disease in India. The cause of this disease is a bacterium called Salmonella typhi. You can come in contact with it if you eat or drink water that has been contaminated. It can take as long as three weeks for a person to begin to see symptoms of the disease. Again I respect your viewpoint and feelings, but I'm just concerned for your wellbeing. If you have any further questions or are curious, you should check out these links:



--traveldoctor: TD Health Fact Sheet India.pdf


Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Lucy (Usa) on 12/19/2014


I do NOT believe that vaccinations are compulsory in the UK. I lived in the UK and all three of my children were not vaccinated at all. Please have your daughter investigate this because if she would told the are compulsory then she was lied to.

Flu Shots
Posted by Ole Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn. ) on 09/29/2014

HI U APV, , , , , , , YEP , you from Calif. and you are preaching to the wrong group. Most on this site don't trust Allopathics. It's a greed thing.

======OLE ROBERT HENRY========

Flu Shots
Posted by Apv (San Jose, California) on 09/28/2014

At least for me, it used to be that you went to a hospital every fall and got a flu shot. Well, it turns out there are not only multiple types of flu shots and methods of administration, they don't quite contain the same stuff.

A table with some of the ingredients is shown to get you started on your research.

When viral proteins are injected into the body, the immune system learns to recognize them (sensitization) and then on subsequent exposure to the proteins it begins to attack them (elicitation). Unfortunately, any other proteins injected with the vaccine are treated the same way. Once sensitized to the injected protein, future exposure to the protein elicits an attack known as an allergic reaction.

Details and references are here:

Intranasal: the risk is injecting live viruses on to your olfactory nerve that is millimeters away from your brain.
There may also be adventitious agents in the vaccine. In other words, unintentional contamination of the vaccine by viruses/bacteria/amoeba etc..

Intradermal: the risk is skin cells/proteins are torn by the needle and injected along with the vaccine.
If your body develops an allergy to these skin proteins, you can develop immune system related skin disorders such as eczema.

Intramuscular:the risk is skin and muscle cells/proteins are torn by the needle and injected along with the vaccine.
If your body develops an allergy to these muscle proteins (one of which is tropomyosin), you can develop immune system disorders as the immune system attacks any tissue containing tropomyosin. Tropomyosin is present in the brain and the intestines. So disorders can include autism, ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel syndrome etc.

and of course seafood allergy.

Polysorbate 80 contains vegetable oils. Depending on the type of vegetable oil used, it can cause the development of allergies to various food items - food allergies.

Ovalbumin in vaccines can cause the development of allergy to egg.

Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen but your body creates a small amount of it too.

Mercury is a well known toxin for which there is no safe amount.

Triton X-100 can damage cells.

HA is the viral protein. The "active ingredient" of a flu vaccine.

Insect proteins when injected into the body can cause the development of allergy to those insect proteins.
Flublok uses cells from the Fall Armyworm, a type of moth larvae. If you develop an allergy to such an insect protein, it may be very difficult to avoid exposure. Avoiding exposure to egg for a patient with egg allergies is difficult enough. How would one avoid exposure to a moth/larvae protein?

Flucelvax contains dog kidney cell proteins. If you develop an allergy to dog kidney cell protein, your immune system might start attacking your own similar kidney cells. An autoimmune kidney disorder will result.
Also the dog kidney cells used to make the vaccine are highly tumorigenic. The cells are supposed to be all killed. But even the tumorigenic DNA residue in the vaccine is considered dangerous and is therefore limited by the FDA to 10 nanogram. Is that low enough?

Trivalent vaccines contain three viral strains and quadrivalent contain four viral strains.

If you want to perform some probability calculations, flu vaccines work 60% of the time per the CDC.

And about 3000-40,000 people are killed by the flu each year.

In the old days before vaccines, you had no choice but to suffer the flu. Modern medicine gives you a choice, a choice between the devil and the deep sea ... for a fee.

EC: Sorry Apv the table you pasted at the top was too big for a post so we had to remove it.

Menactra Vaccine
Posted by Lisa (St. Petersburg, Florida) on 03/26/2014

Based on that blog, if the Menactra vaccine is ineffective 30-50% of the time, then it is effective 50-70% of the time. That sounds like pretty good odds to me, and would you really want to say to yourself, 'I wish I had given her that vaccine, ' when your child is in the hospital like I was, with that strain of meningitis that most likely is covered by the vaccine?

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Lucena (Leyte, Philippines) on 03/05/2014

Dear Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa, Your input is really appreciated. I will forward this to my daughter. Hoping for the best.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Lucena (Leyte, Philippines) on 03/05/2014

Prioris from Fl, Usa, Thank you very much. I wish I could take my granddaughter and bring her to the Philippines. All my four daughters are without vaccines.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 03/05/2014

Vaccines are part of a global depopulation agenda. They will harm your childs health for many years to come and expose them to autism, chronic diseases and cancer. You need to do what is necessary to protect the child. F--- the countries vaccination laws. The people making such laws should be put on trial for crimes against humanity and treason.


"1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2)"

I would find someone who gives the vaccines and ask them if they can just give you certification without a vaccine shot. You could pay them a little money as an incentive if necessary. I would do whatever I had to in order to protect my child from vaccinations.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee, Usa) on 03/05/2014

Dear Lucena,

As soon as leaving the doctor's office (in the car, before going home.) I would clean the vaccine site with an alcohol wipe and cover it with a charcoal poultice (at least 2-3 inches in diameter.). I would change this poultice every 3 hours or so and do this for at least 24 hours. You can also make garlic salve and apply it to the feet every 2 waking hours for a couple of days. (Then maybe daily for a week! ) to try and kill off any possible infection.)

Rachel Weaver in her book, Be your Child's Pediatrician has a lot of other ideas but they are not really for babies.

Here is how to make a charcoal poultice:;tice

Here is how to make garlic salve:

You may need to use a bit less garlic for a baby.

Hope that will be helpful for your grandbaby!

~Mama to Many~

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Lucena (Leyte, Philippines) on 03/05/2014

My grandaughter was born in Uk (09-01=2014) Vaccination is compulsory. With BCG so far no side-effect seen yet, but who knows its lurking somewhere?? She is due for another next week, DPT. Any anti-dote? Thank you very much for any input on this.

Flu Shots
Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 01/13/2014

I'll bet member of Congress and their families don't get vaccinated either. They always push the fear angle by saying so many people are dying of this or that. Of course, they neglect to mention that all these deaths fall within the norm.

Dr. Oz tows the line. He'll advocate chemotherapy and vaccines because he knows he won't have a show if he doesn't. I wonder how much of the listening audience actually sees a red flag in Dr Oz family not wanting the shot.

Flu Shots
Posted by Susu (Sacramento Ca) on 01/13/2014

Here it is a year after the hyper flu media frenzy and it's happening again, only worse. They talk about it like it's news but it's really advertising. The headlines, "People are Dying" really laying it on thick. Even tho Dr Oz is recommending flu shots and he had one himself on his show, his own wife and children do not get a flu shot. I can only imagine the problems that has caused him with the producers and advertisers, drug companies, etc. He is willing to get injected on TV to make up for it and he is willing to tell everyone else to get their kids and themselves injected...but he is not willing to inject his wife or children.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Jacqui (South Australia) on 11/05/2013

Please don't ever purposely expose children to chicken pox! That reasoning went out with the flat earth theory. Getting chicken pox is no absolute guarantee to not get the virus again but now you have caused your child probable SHINGLES in its future! There is nothing wrong with vaccines if given ONLY when child is well, and only ONE vaccine per month to prevent system overload.

Guilliain Barre
Posted by Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 11/03/2013

In regards to "Doctors have dismissed flu shot as correlation to this sudden onset"

Vaccines are behind the cause of Guillian Barre and other chronic diseases.

There are disinformation studies which say that there is no link but they base that on saying that there were no vaccines given in six week prior and then claim they are safe. Some people are effected immediately while others aren't effected for many years or decades afterwards.

Your friend being treated by such doctors is the first danger. They will pump her with synthetic medicines that may put her health at further risk.

I don't have any treatment suggestions outside of finding a naturopath who has dealt with it before.

Guilliain Barre
Posted by Pclouds (Annapolis,md) on 11/03/2013 1 posts

A good friend was just diagnosed w Guillain Barre after getting a flu shot a week ago. I wondered if any of you have insight on treatments or cures that would lessen her issues. She has no feeling in her hands and falls a lot. Currently she is in intensive care at hospital. Doctors have dismissed flu shot as correlation to this sudden onset. Any suggestions are most welcome. Many thanks for all the great info and wisdom you provide here.


Flu Shots
Posted by Planky (New York, United States) on 10/13/2013 8 posts
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I got the flu shot for seniors four days ago and have never had a reaction to shots but this time I did. You cannot see where I go the shot but my left arm hurts and it is painful to lift my arm. I cannot sleep because I can't get comfortable. Never again!

HPV Vaccination Side Effects
Posted by Jessie (Riverdale, Md) on 09/02/2013


I am not aware of anything to reverse the vaccine. But, whatever you can do to boost her health will be of help to her. Juicing is great for boosting anyone's health. Check on this site for information on castor oil packs to help detoxify her liver. One of my children had a bad vaccine reaction when he was 4 months old. It was very scary at the time. So, he and our other children are unvaccinated since then. Even though my son had a bad reaction, he is now and adult and has great health. Your daugther is blessed to have a mama who cares so much. Jessie

HPV Vaccination Side Effects
Posted by Gracie (East Providence, RI ) on 09/01/2013

I was hoping you could either help me or direct me to obtain some information. My daughter received the hpv virus vaccine about 3 years ago (she was 15) recommended by her physician. Is there any way possible to reverse the vaccine? Either by essential oils or supplements/juicing anything? After researching I found it does not prevent and actually has life long effects. I have tried to research through google etc and I cannot find anything.

Thank you in advance

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee, Usa) on 08/07/2013

Sara, I don't blame you for your caution about getting the shots. I know someone who was recently very ill from a shot so he could travel to another country. Personally, if it were me, and I had the option to not get the shots, I would find out what diseases were of concern in the area I was going, and I would take with me natural remedies to treat them, as well as things that might be helpful to prevent. Also, if I ever left the country I would take with me charcoal powder, garlic, turmeric, and maybe some other things: I would have to think about it. (I don't even leave my house without charcoal and peppermint essential oil! :) )

I have been reading some about natural treatments for malaria (including charcoal powder and papaya leaf tea or tincture.)

Hope you have a great and healthy trip!

~Mama to Many~

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Sara (Vancouver, Canada) on 08/06/2013

Hey there, I have a question. I am traveling to India for the first time I am 29 and have never had any kind of shot or immunization, nor do I believe in them per say. I am a very healthy person. I am wondering though if its important to get shots for the trip, and what ones? I really don't want to mess around with getting really sick. Please let me know your thoughts. Thank you, Sara

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Leah (Philadelphia) on 05/03/2013

Yes, start reading now. I used to be sceptical and then I heard they used mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde. These are serious neurotoxins and yes they still use them for pregnant moms and babies (flu, tetanus and some others). Detailed discussion here:

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Patti (Owensboro, Ky) on 04/30/2013

First of all, the doctor works for you! You are the boss. You tell them what to do and you need to start behaving like a boss right now. Make sure you are comfortable before your child is born. Your infant will be protected at birth from your own immunities. Wait until the child is at least 2 yrs old if you must give them the vaccines. Go to The Farmacy on facebook, they have alot of information. Your child DOES NOT have to have them to attend school. You will most likely have to sign a form, that's all. They cannot ask you why! It is your choice. Please take steps to learn your rights now, before you have this child. Autism is rampant, and they (CDC) will never convince me that vaccinations don't have something to do with it. Please continue to educate yourself and family members. Good luck to you.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Danielle (Jacksonville, Florida, Usa) on 04/30/2013

I am 28 years old and am pregnant with my first child. I was recently asked by my doctor if I wanted the TDAP vaccine. I haven't had a vaccine since I was a child and have always been against the Flu shots that are so widely pushed these days. This had me researching vaccines and I know that most pediatricians will want my child to start them. Honestly I don't know all of them and I know they have increased significantly since I was a child. I happened to come across Earth Clinic researching TDAP vaccine and I thought it would be helpful to ask advice from like-minded/open minded people.

By reading this discussion I see that a lot of you are against most or all vaccines. I am against most that they push on adults such as the flu, but haven't really had to think much about all the ones they are giving children these days. I know most pediatricians will look at you like your crazy for not wanting your child to receive any type of vaccine. I want to continue my research and was wondering if there are any websites that anyone recommends that list the vaccines given to children and what is actually in them? I also would like to find a pediatrician that would be open to the idea of not giving vaccines and open to homeopathic medicine if they exist. Any information on the subject would be greatly appreciated. I have already learned a lot from others whom have posted information on the subject, but anything new would be great.

Thanks, Danielle

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Cc (City Of Lights, Rainbow State) on 04/25/2013

Here's what one nurse did:

Here's Becky's letter to the higher-ups at the hospital:

I am writing to formally defend my decision to decline the influenza vaccination. I have made this decision based on strong moral and ethical convictions that are supported by my religious beliefs, medical research and legal precedent.

Medical research indicates that the efficacy of the influenza vaccination is grossly exaggerated (1)..."


Adult Immunizations
Posted by Cindy (Wisc, Usa) on 04/25/2013

Thank you TimH and Bess for your help with my question, I will look at the information that you have suggested. I thought I had seen some time ago on here information from Ted. Maybe I will have to search again and hope that Bill from San Fernando may also respond. Thanks everyone.

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Bess (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) on 04/25/2013

Hi Cindy - You may want to check out Dr. Joseph Mercola ( There are quite a few articles about vaccinations (just do a search - top right of the page on his Web site). Many people in the health field are forced to take vaccinations. While some states do have exemptions (religious belief, etc), it's getting harder to refuse. One article you may find relevant is from 2009: What to do if you are forced to take a flu shot. Near to the end, there is a section on Treatment for Toxic Vaccine Exposure. If you have time, click on the Comments (there are over 170! ).

Hope that helps! Cheers, Bess

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 04/25/2013 2072 posts

Cindy: Your question is of such importance, as immunizations and vaccinations have big benefits, but some come with bad side effects. From my little perspective, I think that one must first not have too many immunizations done in a short time period (which is what I think is the standard). Rushing multiple immunizations for travel can cause some bad side effects, imho. It seems too much of a complex shock to the immune system. Also, there could be interactions with currently used medication (prescribed or otc).

As for typical vaccines like "flu shots" which are now administered at drive-thru pharmacies, I would take 500 mg Methionine and Cilantro 1 hr prior to the vaccine and 200mcg Selenium following to prevent any toxic Mercury complications. Repeat this supplement the following day for safety sake. A pair of detox foot pads before retiring the day of vaccine would also chelate any toxic Mercury.

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Cindy (Wisc, Usa) on 04/24/2013

If a person was forced to have an immunization shot what can be done before/after to counteract, the side effects of it. Does it make a difference what the shot was for? I am most concerned about forced flu shots. Thank you.

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Leah (Philadelphia, Pa) on 04/23/2013

Hi all, my heart goes out to all who have been harmed by vaccines. please see link to a discussion by a neuroscientist who is able to clearly explain the mechanism of vaccine harm:

As for healing after being harmed, you will most likely need to do heavy metal detox with chlorella, spirulina and cilantro for the mercury and aluminum. You will need iodine and selenium for low thyroid. You will need b vitamins especially b12 for nerve damage. Vitamin C and D for immunity. And like other posters on this thread note, coconut oil and healthy fats are really healing. Vegetable juicing would help too. Of course it would be wonderful if you could find a chiropractor or homeopath to help you through this. There are still healers out there, it's just a matter of finding them and being able to afford care.

Flu Shots
Posted by Tyler (Oklahoma City, Ok) on 12/05/2012

The problem I have is they are requiring us in hospitals to receive the flu shot. If we don't receive the shot we cannot work.

Flu Shots
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 12/04/2012

Hi Carly, I have to agree with you. Personally, I think it's scary. And yes, they do have mercury in them. It's weird how there are signs everywhere- grocery stores, pharmacies, etc. all loudly proclaiming "Now available"! I have never had one nor do I ever intend to. I would rather use the approach of creating a healthy immune system instead of putting in more toxins! Last night, a mom of one of my dancers said to me, "Flu season is here, I really need to get E*** a flu shot so she doesn't get sick. " I blurted out, "No! Don't do that! " And she looked at me like I was out of my mind. Her response is that she gets her one every year. She's only 14! Yikes. I suggested she work to strengthen her immune system with herbs, vitamin C, eating well, etc. She quickly changed the subject.

I do my best to try to help others find their health through diet, herbs, vitamins and educate them but when everyone is being bombarded and brainwashed, it's disheartening. Anyway, let's do our best to help educate about self-care in maintaining our health. Best to you, Lisa

Flu Shots
Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 12/04/2012

Hi Fellow EC'ers, I have noticed in the past few days that all of the media - be it television, radio, newspapers, etc. are pushing flu shots for ALL - hard and heavy PUSHING them at us.

There are clinics at the supermarket and local drug stores. The media says that the government is extra happy as the strain coming in (EXTRA EARLY, and EXTRA CATCHY! ) seems to be a GOOD MATCH for the shots they are putting out.

I saw THREE television shows today saying we all need flu shots.... From my local news, "The DOCTORS" and the great and powerful "Doctor OZ". All in one afternoon!

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed by any means, but I DO know that the flu shot contains mercury. I do know that the mortality rates quoted for the flu (35, 000 a year!!! ) are actually NOT from the flu, but from complications of the flu (ie pneumonia).

If anyone has any thoughts they would like to share on the flu and flu shots, I would love to hear them.

Stay well, Carly :-)

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Mini Mia (Frederick, Co) on 12/04/2012

I was wondering if you found out any more about the vaccination and your illness? I have just begun researching after watching documentaries. I just realized I might have had severe adverse affects from the TDAP. I had no serious medical issues, weight problems etc. In 3/2009 they gave me the tdap as a booster. In 7/2010 I was diagnosed with Hashimotos Thyroiditis out of the blue, never having any issues or symptoms in the past. Since then the medical issues have snowballed and I am currently only 32 years of age. I am doing everything I can find to help my health and heal my body. I am very scared this vaccine may have done this. How can you explain 29 years of good health, no thyroid symptoms or issues then poof I have a debilitating auto-immune disease? I would think Hashis would have been affecting me since birth!

Twinrix Reactions
Posted by Sara (The Beach, Canada) on 10/22/2012
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I got the twinrix shot 18 months ago and it put my immune system into hyper drive which it is supposed to do, but for a small percentage of people it induces a prescription induced eczema. My question is, is there any way to reverse or lesson the of effects to the shot. If not, that tropical trip was not worth this agony. Sara

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Lisa (Freedom, Wi) on 02/29/2012

My daughter developed tics and twitches when she was in 1st grade. I tried curing these things with every holistic supplement I could find pertaining to them... When she got to about 5th grade the tics had become so bad that she told me she wanted to die :( I screamed out to GOD and told him she needed to be cured. Within days I came across a product called 369 iodine. I bought it and put her on it and it worked Immediately! She is now in 8th grade and the tics and twitches are completely gone!

DO NOT vaccinate your children, this was the cause of my daughters tics, she had only a few vaccines before GOD spoke to me and told me to stop. I now know why he told me to stop! This is truly a miracle and if people do not realize that vaccines are the greatest hoax ever to all of mankind they are putting themselves at risk of doing great harm or even death to their child/ children. God bless.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Cameron (Brisbane, Qld, Australia) on 02/19/2012

Yes, you are right to be concerned. There are no good reasons to vaccinate and millions of reasons not to. Adjuvents, include aluminum and other toxic substances. Whistleblowers report nearly all vaccine lots are contaminated with foreign matter, including fecal and dead tissue from animal sources amongst other things. Rarely are the diseases vaccinated against fatal. Like incredibly rare, you are more likely to suffer from fatal or disabling lifetime side effects from the vaccine than the disease, read ADHD, Autism and Seizures to name 3 only.

Look for the equivalent of a Conscientious Objection Form then be prepared to be forced by Big Government and Big Pharma to get them anyway. If they force you to get them give your child a level teaspoon of Charcoal mixed in Juice or something straight away, this works for my daughters Chemo drugs and has been demonstrated with poison. Charcoal is what Hospitals here use for drug overdoses, it works almost instantly.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 02/18/2012 2072 posts

Erin, I am responding as a concerned amateur individual that can only echo the caution you are displaying on the issue of vaccines. Independent studies and record analyst of personal testimonies and culturally indifferent people like Minnonites & Amish verify the connection of vaccines and illnesses like autism, in particular. I have a family member that had an "episode" during early development that no one could identify the cause. He screamed & yelled continually for hrs on end and was extremely frantic for several weeks, and afterward became autistic. From a spiritual perspective it was speculated that there was the possibility of demonic activity and intercessory prayers were applied w/ some noticeable results (it was a very disturbing experience, the suffering of this child).

Anyway, there are two ways to approach this issue (as is most all the issues of disease & health): 1. Avoidance 2. Intervention. In an effort to not totally exclude the benefits of vaccines, I would try to minimalise the number of V's to only the most important ones and never take multiple V's in one instance (space them out over several mo's or even yrs). If any sign of bad side effect occurs, it's intervention time. What the professionals are recommending I don't know, but some simple home remedies might or should help. A simple Epsom Salt / Baking Soda warm bath would go a long way to aid the detoxification and elimination of anything harmful like mercury. As a precautionary, I would supplement the mineral Selenium for several days prior to V's because Sel binds Mercury and eliminates it safely out of the body.

My two cents.

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Natalia (North Royalton, Oh) on 02/17/2012

Here is a list of naturopathic doctors in the FL area:

Vaccinations and Children
Posted by Erin (Fort Myers, Florida) on 02/17/2012

I am new to the state of Florida and having a very hard time finding a pediatrician who does not insist on vaccines. I'm not even sure of the state laws here, but I am expecting our 1st child in just 3 weeks & must have a pediatrician who is open/like minded on the subject. I am looking for any & all help & advice to ensure I have control over this subject.

Twinrix Reactions
Posted by Sara (The Beach, Canada) on 01/04/2012

Any ideas at all would be good.

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