Vaccination Discussion Board

| Modified on Dec 17, 2022
Children and adults alike occasionally need vaccinations, booster shots, or inoculations against various childhood ailments, the flu, or other infectious agents that can cause disease. Particularly children with undeveloped immune systems, but also the elderly and the immune-compromised may need vaccinations to prevent infections their bodies could not otherwise handle.

However, some vaccinations are more important than others, and all inoculations carry some degree of risk. How do you know which shots you or your child should be getting?

Well, aside from government regulations, your doctor's advice, and standard vaccination schedules you can also trust the voice of experience here in the Earth Clinic community. Check out the advice below on vaccination side effects, homeopathic remedies, vaccinations for children, travel vaccination advice, and more.

Adult Immunizations

Posted by Sara (Vancouver, Canada) on 08/06/2013

Hey there, I have a question. I am traveling to India for the first time I am 29 and have never had any kind of shot or immunization, nor do I believe in them per say. I am a very healthy person. I am wondering though if its important to get shots for the trip, and what ones? I really don't want to mess around with getting really sick. Please let me know your thoughts. Thank you, Sara

Replied by Mama To Many
(Tennessee, Usa)

Sara, I don't blame you for your caution about getting the shots. I know someone who was recently very ill from a shot so he could travel to another country. Personally, if it were me, and I had the option to not get the shots, I would find out what diseases were of concern in the area I was going, and I would take with me natural remedies to treat them, as well as things that might be helpful to prevent. Also, if I ever left the country I would take with me charcoal powder, garlic, turmeric, and maybe some other things: I would have to think about it. (I don't even leave my house without charcoal and peppermint essential oil! :) )

I have been reading some about natural treatments for malaria (including charcoal powder and papaya leaf tea or tincture.)

Hope you have a great and healthy trip!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Caleb
(Missouri, US)

Hello, while I completely understand the concerns you have about getting certain vaccines, as well as your wish to seek out natural remedies and immune boosters, there are some things I think you should be aware of. When traveling to third world and developing countries such as India, a person should take the proper precautions to protect themselves from sickness and disease. According to the Center for Disease Control, the potential diseases a person could contract in India are: Hepatitis A and B, Typhoid, Malaria, cholera, and Japanese Encephalitis. In the case of Japanese Encephalitis, there are reported human cases in nearly all states, with high rates in southern India where there is year round contamination season in some places. Japanese encephalitis otherwise known as JE virus is a single-stranded RNA virus that belongs to the genus Flavivirus and is closely related to West Nile and Saint Louis encephalitis viruses. JE virus is transmitted to humans through the bite of an infected mosquito. In the case of Typhoid, also known as enteric fever, there are 21.5 million persons who come in contact with Typhoid in developing countries each year. Typhoid is life threatening and is the top most communicable disease in India. The cause of this disease is a bacterium called Salmonella typhi. You can come in contact with it if you eat or drink water that has been contaminated. It can take as long as three weeks for a person to begin to see symptoms of the disease. Again I respect your viewpoint and feelings, but I'm just concerned for your wellbeing. If you have any further questions or are curious, you should check out these links:



--traveldoctor: TD Health Fact Sheet India.pdf


Replied by Suzanne

I travelled to India January 2014. I can tell you that worrying about shots isn't the real worry. The real worry is getting giardia over there. Research how people prevent it. I wish I had done that ahead of time because I have been sick with it for going on 2 years. It is nasty and has seriously impacted my life.

Adult Immunizations
Posted by Cindy (Wisc, Usa) on 04/24/2013

If a person was forced to have an immunization shot what can be done before/after to counteract, the side effects of it. Does it make a difference what the shot was for? I am most concerned about forced flu shots. Thank you.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2063 posts

Cindy: Your question is of such importance, as immunizations and vaccinations have big benefits, but some come with bad side effects. From my little perspective, I think that one must first not have too many immunizations done in a short time period (which is what I think is the standard). Rushing multiple immunizations for travel can cause some bad side effects, imho. It seems too much of a complex shock to the immune system. Also, there could be interactions with currently used medication (prescribed or otc).

As for typical vaccines like "flu shots" which are now administered at drive-thru pharmacies, I would take 500 mg Methionine and Cilantro 1 hr prior to the vaccine and 200mcg Selenium following to prevent any toxic Mercury complications. Repeat this supplement the following day for safety sake. A pair of detox foot pads before retiring the day of vaccine would also chelate any toxic Mercury.

Replied by Bess
(Calgary, Alberta, Canada)

Hi Cindy - You may want to check out Dr. Joseph Mercola ( There are quite a few articles about vaccinations (just do a search - top right of the page on his Web site). Many people in the health field are forced to take vaccinations. While some states do have exemptions (religious belief, etc), it's getting harder to refuse. One article you may find relevant is from 2009: What to do if you are forced to take a flu shot. Near to the end, there is a section on Treatment for Toxic Vaccine Exposure. If you have time, click on the Comments (there are over 170! ).

Hope that helps! Cheers, Bess

Replied by Cindy
(Wisc, Usa)

Thank you TimH and Bess for your help with my question, I will look at the information that you have suggested. I thought I had seen some time ago on here information from Ted. Maybe I will have to search again and hope that Bill from San Fernando may also respond. Thanks everyone.

Replied by Cc
(City Of Lights, Rainbow State)

Here's what one nurse did:

Here's Becky's letter to the higher-ups at the hospital:

I am writing to formally defend my decision to decline the influenza vaccination. I have made this decision based on strong moral and ethical convictions that are supported by my religious beliefs, medical research and legal precedent.

Medical research indicates that the efficacy of the influenza vaccination is grossly exaggerated (1)..."


Adult Immunizations
Posted by Beth (Edenton, Nc) on 01/14/2010


I'm wondering if anyone has thought that their symptoms or illness has been caused by being immunized as an adult? I was given the measles/mumps vaccine after the birth of my son 18 years ago. My blood test at the time said that it was inconclusive as to my immunity. So, my doctor ordered I have a booster. I was very healthy before then. About three years later, I developed extreme anxiety, panic attacks and depression. I then developed thyroid disease, specifically Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Fibromyalgia too. I have problems with allergies, digestion, etc. I have often wondered if I truly didn't need the booster. My doctor didn't ask to retest. He just gave me the shot. As far as my thyroid problems are concern, I had something else happen to me that makes me wonder. I was going to a chiropractor for back pain (also after the birth of my son) and while he was adjusting my neck, he pushed down to hard and crushed my throat against the table. I have asked many other chiropractors and doctors if this could have damaged my thyroid, to which the answer was always no. But, I know that it hurt a lot at the time and was sore for a long time after. I guess I would just like to understand why my health has been compromised without any explanation. Thanks.

Replied by Mini Mia
(Frederick, Co)

I was wondering if you found out any more about the vaccination and your illness? I have just begun researching after watching documentaries. I just realized I might have had severe adverse affects from the TDAP. I had no serious medical issues, weight problems etc. In 3/2009 they gave me the tdap as a booster. In 7/2010 I was diagnosed with Hashimotos Thyroiditis out of the blue, never having any issues or symptoms in the past. Since then the medical issues have snowballed and I am currently only 32 years of age. I am doing everything I can find to help my health and heal my body. I am very scared this vaccine may have done this. How can you explain 29 years of good health, no thyroid symptoms or issues then poof I have a debilitating auto-immune disease? I would think Hashis would have been affecting me since birth!

Replied by Leah
(Philadelphia, Pa)

Hi all, my heart goes out to all who have been harmed by vaccines. please see link to a discussion by a neuroscientist who is able to clearly explain the mechanism of vaccine harm:

As for healing after being harmed, you will most likely need to do heavy metal detox with chlorella, spirulina and cilantro for the mercury and aluminum. You will need iodine and selenium for low thyroid. You will need b vitamins especially b12 for nerve damage. Vitamin C and D for immunity. And like other posters on this thread note, coconut oil and healthy fats are really healing. Vegetable juicing would help too. Of course it would be wonderful if you could find a chiropractor or homeopath to help you through this. There are still healers out there, it's just a matter of finding them and being able to afford care.

Chicken Pox

Posted by Rachel (Hartville, Ohio, USA) on 09/09/2009

Chickenpox in child with no vaccines:

My son is 18 months and just came down with chickenpox. He doesn't have any immunizations whatsoever. Could this be hazardous since he has no shots, or does it not really matter? Also, is there anything I can give to my other children to prevent them from getting it as well? Thanks.

Replied by Lisa
(Thousand Oaks, Ca)

I just thought I should reassure you. I have 5 kids ranging from 10 to 24 yrs. old and none have been immunized. I made that decision long ago after lots of research and was challenged often back then. I fortunately, had an amazing pediatrician who backed me because he said I had made an informed decision, one from researching and questioning rather than of ignorance. Chicken pox is actually a childhood disease that naturally occurs and from my own understanding, according to Chinese medicine, it is a way for the child to detox all the toxins it takes in while in utero. Your child's age is a good age for him to get them as at that age they usually are not that critical. When my children would get it, I would expose my other children to get it because it's not something you want as you get older. My third child had it the worst of the five but he is now 20 and a very healthy young man. All of my kids have been very healthy- rarely ever sick and I attribute that partly to choosing non- vaccinating. It's a controversial subject. Hope this helps you.

Sincerely, Lisa

Replied by G
(Ny, Ny)

Chicken pox is a natural child "sickness". As is the mumps and the measles. I have read that for children to get these "diseases", it helps to build their immune systems, and I believe that. They just came out with the Chicken pox shot within the last decade or so. Generations before have survived these "ailments".

Replied by Rachel
(Hartville, Ohio)

Thanks. I figured it wasn't too big of a deal. I wasn't even really sure it was chicken pox since it doesn't look quite like the pictures i have found online. He hasn't had a fever or anything and they don't seem to itch him. Could it be just a mild case? Perhaps because he doesn't have the shots...I wonder. I read to keep him separated from the other kids, but that is pretty much impossible. Thanks for helping me out. I definitely don't regret not giving them shots. I know they are healthier for it! All 4 of them have been so healthy...this is the first thing that has come against us, so it threw me for a loop.

Replied by Lisa
(Thousand Oaks, Ca)

Hi Rachel, Just thought I should follow up- my first son only had three eruptions and no other symptoms. I just watched and observed questioning if it could at all be the chicken pox. Then my daughter broke out in them shortly after and finally my third son who had it pretty badly which confirmed that my oldest did get them but an extremely mild case. Also, I wanted to say that the best thing is to let them move through the illness but keep them comfortable through it. Do research in homeopathy as there are remedies to help through the discomfort and possibly shorten up the duration. If you google homeopathy for chicken pox you will find remedies for the various ways that the illness manifests. Hope this helps.

Replied by Suzanne

That is true, chicken pox is a childhood illness that children were supposed to get to provide lifetime immunity. Also, these illnesses do build up the immune system. They don't talk about that anymore since they are trying to sell vaccines.

Flu Shots

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Posted by Patti B (Pa) on 10/24/2018

I was wondering how people feel about getting the flu shot. I am 58 and have never had one. I know of 2 people that contracted Guillain Barre Syndrome after receiving a flu shot. Coincidence?

Replied by Flower's Mom
(Pueblo Of Acoma, Nm)

Hi Patty B, I do not get a flu shot, but the only time I did (because my employer required it) I got sick and was literally on my back for 2 weeks. I have learned the hard way to not put anything in or on my body unless I am certain what it is and where it came from. If I do not want to eat it, I do not put it into my body because, eventually, it will end up in your bloodstream and your body will have to deal with it. That being said, I prefer to keep my immune system strong, using clean eating and pure supplements when necessary, and treating myself naturally when I get under the weather. And Earth Clinic, thank the benevolent Creator and all the wonderful people who are a part of this site, is my number one resource. I hope that is helpful, and wish you the best of health.

Flower's Mom

Replied by Tammy
(Sulphur Springs, Texas)

I only got the flu shot 2 times in my life and both times I got sick with the worst flu ever! Never took it again and have only had the flu a few times and were very mild. Don't do it!

Replied by Rob

Back in the 80's my aunt's friend who was a nurse got the swine flu shot because of the "swine flu scare" and developed Guillian-Barre Syndrome and has been confined to a wheelchair ever since.... for the rest of her life. None of our family take the flu shot or any shots ever since. Play a stupid game, win a stupid prize.

Flu Shots
Posted by Apv (San Jose, California) on 09/28/2014

At least for me, it used to be that you went to a hospital every fall and got a flu shot. Well, it turns out there are not only multiple types of flu shots and methods of administration, they don't quite contain the same stuff.

A table with some of the ingredients is shown to get you started on your research.

When viral proteins are injected into the body, the immune system learns to recognize them (sensitization) and then on subsequent exposure to the proteins it begins to attack them (elicitation). Unfortunately, any other proteins injected with the vaccine are treated the same way. Once sensitized to the injected protein, future exposure to the protein elicits an attack known as an allergic reaction.

Details and references are here:

Intranasal: the risk is injecting live viruses on to your olfactory nerve that is millimeters away from your brain.
There may also be adventitious agents in the vaccine. In other words, unintentional contamination of the vaccine by viruses/bacteria/amoeba etc..

Intradermal: the risk is skin cells/proteins are torn by the needle and injected along with the vaccine.
If your body develops an allergy to these skin proteins, you can develop immune system related skin disorders such as eczema.

Intramuscular:the risk is skin and muscle cells/proteins are torn by the needle and injected along with the vaccine.
If your body develops an allergy to these muscle proteins (one of which is tropomyosin), you can develop immune system disorders as the immune system attacks any tissue containing tropomyosin. Tropomyosin is present in the brain and the intestines. So disorders can include autism, ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel syndrome etc.

and of course seafood allergy.

Polysorbate 80 contains vegetable oils. Depending on the type of vegetable oil used, it can cause the development of allergies to various food items - food allergies.

Ovalbumin in vaccines can cause the development of allergy to egg.

Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen but your body creates a small amount of it too.

Mercury is a well known toxin for which there is no safe amount.

Triton X-100 can damage cells.

HA is the viral protein. The "active ingredient" of a flu vaccine.

Insect proteins when injected into the body can cause the development of allergy to those insect proteins.
Flublok uses cells from the Fall Armyworm, a type of moth larvae. If you develop an allergy to such an insect protein, it may be very difficult to avoid exposure. Avoiding exposure to egg for a patient with egg allergies is difficult enough. How would one avoid exposure to a moth/larvae protein?

Flucelvax contains dog kidney cell proteins. If you develop an allergy to dog kidney cell protein, your immune system might start attacking your own similar kidney cells. An autoimmune kidney disorder will result.
Also the dog kidney cells used to make the vaccine are highly tumorigenic. The cells are supposed to be all killed. But even the tumorigenic DNA residue in the vaccine is considered dangerous and is therefore limited by the FDA to 10 nanogram. Is that low enough?

Trivalent vaccines contain three viral strains and quadrivalent contain four viral strains.

If you want to perform some probability calculations, flu vaccines work 60% of the time per the CDC.

And about 3000-40,000 people are killed by the flu each year.

In the old days before vaccines, you had no choice but to suffer the flu. Modern medicine gives you a choice, a choice between the devil and the deep sea ... for a fee.

EC: Sorry Apv the table you pasted at the top was too big for a post so we had to remove it.

Replied by Ole Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn.)

HI U APV, , , , , , , YEP , you from Calif. and you are preaching to the wrong group. Most on this site don't trust Allopathics. It's a greed thing.

======OLE ROBERT HENRY========

Replied by Deborah C

Do you recommend taking a Flu Shot? My niece is pregnant and was informed by her pediatrician that all family members should have a Flu Shot if they wanted to have contact with the baby...I disagree with taking a Flu Shot. Tell me your opinion about this matter.

Replied by Namaw

I normally would avoid the flu shot. due to my dh's very poor health, I do take it. It would just kill me for him to get the flu and deteriorate further, so I'll risk it. You need to weigh the risks--how much exposure will you have to mom and baby? Do you practice good health hygiene? I know that my DD keeps the grandkids away if anything is going around school and, if they must be around him, then they are extra careful about using tissues, hand washing, etc. He's been ill their entire lives, so they've been well trained.

Replied by Kelly
(Cambridge, Ma)

While I have nothing data-driven or scientific to report regarding flu shots, I can tell you that I never get them anymore.

I've only had a flu shot twice in my life (I'm 58) and both times, I was sick all winter! The first time, I chalked it up to being a fluke, but after I'd skipped a couple of years, then decided to get another one, I was sick all winter that year, too.

I've always had a strong immune system (knock wood). I go years without so much as a head cold. My last cold was 5 years ago. Everyone around me can be hacking and sneezing, and somehow, I manage to escape the cooties. ;-)

When I was sick off/on all winter the two times I got the flu shot, I put two and two together and stopped getting the shots.

When my doctor suggests the shot every year and I decline, explaining what I did here, he says; "It's a fallacy that flu shots can make you sick." Fallacy/schmallacy; if it ain't broke, don't fix it! ;-)

Flu Shots
Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 12/04/2012

Hi Fellow EC'ers, I have noticed in the past few days that all of the media - be it television, radio, newspapers, etc. are pushing flu shots for ALL - hard and heavy PUSHING them at us.

There are clinics at the supermarket and local drug stores. The media says that the government is extra happy as the strain coming in (EXTRA EARLY, and EXTRA CATCHY! ) seems to be a GOOD MATCH for the shots they are putting out.

I saw THREE television shows today saying we all need flu shots.... From my local news, "The DOCTORS" and the great and powerful "Doctor OZ". All in one afternoon!

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed by any means, but I DO know that the flu shot contains mercury. I do know that the mortality rates quoted for the flu (35, 000 a year!!! ) are actually NOT from the flu, but from complications of the flu (ie pneumonia).

If anyone has any thoughts they would like to share on the flu and flu shots, I would love to hear them.

Stay well, Carly :-)

Replied by Lisa
(Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa)

Hi Carly, I have to agree with you. Personally, I think it's scary. And yes, they do have mercury in them. It's weird how there are signs everywhere- grocery stores, pharmacies, etc. all loudly proclaiming "Now available"! I have never had one nor do I ever intend to. I would rather use the approach of creating a healthy immune system instead of putting in more toxins! Last night, a mom of one of my dancers said to me, "Flu season is here, I really need to get E*** a flu shot so she doesn't get sick. " I blurted out, "No! Don't do that! " And she looked at me like I was out of my mind. Her response is that she gets her one every year. She's only 14! Yikes. I suggested she work to strengthen her immune system with herbs, vitamin C, eating well, etc. She quickly changed the subject.

I do my best to try to help others find their health through diet, herbs, vitamins and educate them but when everyone is being bombarded and brainwashed, it's disheartening. Anyway, let's do our best to help educate about self-care in maintaining our health. Best to you, Lisa

Replied by Tyler
(Oklahoma City, Ok)

The problem I have is they are requiring us in hospitals to receive the flu shot. If we don't receive the shot we cannot work.

Replied by Planky
(New York, United States)
7 posts

I got the flu shot for seniors four days ago and have never had a reaction to shots but this time I did. You cannot see where I go the shot but my left arm hurts and it is painful to lift my arm. I cannot sleep because I can't get comfortable. Never again!

Replied by Susu
(Sacramento Ca)

Here it is a year after the hyper flu media frenzy and it's happening again, only worse. They talk about it like it's news but it's really advertising. The headlines, "People are Dying" really laying it on thick. Even tho Dr Oz is recommending flu shots and he had one himself on his show, his own wife and children do not get a flu shot. I can only imagine the problems that has caused him with the producers and advertisers, drug companies, etc. He is willing to get injected on TV to make up for it and he is willing to tell everyone else to get their kids and themselves injected...but he is not willing to inject his wife or children.

Replied by Prioris

I'll bet member of Congress and their families don't get vaccinated either. They always push the fear angle by saying so many people are dying of this or that. Of course, they neglect to mention that all these deaths fall within the norm.

Dr. Oz tows the line. He'll advocate chemotherapy and vaccines because he knows he won't have a show if he doesn't. I wonder how much of the listening audience actually sees a red flag in Dr Oz family not wanting the shot.

Flu Shots
Posted by Cvp (Toronto, Ontario, Canada) on 12/29/2011

My friend's daughter-in-law had a flu-shot and ensuing fever for 2 months now. Tuesday, 27th Dec 2011, she fainted and had 2 seizures.

Hospital tested for Lupus, Meningitis and TB... she is not recognizing anyone and the doctors don't know the next step. When she fainted, she fell on her baby and her 4 yr old daughter called 911.

Any suggestions would be helpful...

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Usa)
2063 posts

Cvp, just a shot in the dark, but from what little I know, some Ionic Trace Minerals, Fulvic /Humic Acid would have to have some detox and enzyme boosting effect (mix suggested number of drops in some fruit juice). If she is unable to drink, I would ask for an IV infusion of Alpha Lipoic Acid for immediate detox and immune help.

If it were my loved one, I would also place a Detox Foot Patch on the bottom of each foot for 24 hrs for safe detox, (keep the covers over the feet and the hospital staff will never know). If anything, 1grm Vit-C per hr (mix w/ juice); Alacer has the popular "Emergen-C" effervescent powdered drink w/ B vits and electrolytes by mouth, or ask for IV C if necessary. For easy and immediate relief, Hyland's "Cell Salts" would help detox and nourish the blood; a few dots under the tongue as recommended.

Just my amateur two cents, and hope she makes a full recovery.

Replied by Debbie
(Melbourne, Australia)

Her body is obviously in a major toxic state. I would suggest that she needs to do a major detox. Lots of green juices to which are added chlorella and spirulina. Mega Vitamin C is also good to detox with.

Epsom salts in the bath is also good for a detox.

Does she drink diet coke or other drinks or foods with aspartame? It also sounds like an aspartame toxicity problem.

Someone else may have further suggestions.

Replied by Jen
(Bozeman, Mt, Us)

She might need to do some heavy metal detoxing. She may have some mercury poisoning. What are her other symptoms? She also may be experiencing something called Guillain-Barre Syndrome which occurs in 1 in a million cases of people who get the flu vaccination. The disease usually occurs in predisposed people but can be activated by the flu shot.

Signs and symptoms of Guillain-Barre syndrome may include:

  • Prickling, "pins and needles" sensations in your fingers, toes or both
  • Weakness or tingling sensations in your legs that spread to your upper body
  • Unsteady walking or inability to walk
  • Difficulty with eye movement, facial movement, speaking, chewing or swallowing
  • Severe pain in your lower back
  • Difficulty with bladder control or intestinal functions
  • Rapid heart rate
  • Low or high blood pressure
  • Difficulty breathing

There is some helpful information about the flu shot here. Maybe just knowing what is actually in the shot will help to narrow it down.

I hope it isn't too late for your friends daughter in-law. If it has caused an autoimmune reaction she needs to boost her immune system with Vit C, D3, marshmallow root, astragulus, and euchinacea.

To detox heavy metals she should try chlorella and spirolina. Also some cilantro might help. I pray she gets well again. I get so angry that our own governments push this harmful vaccine so much. It is not good for anyone to get it. It will not help the aging and sick if we get the vaccine since it is only effective in 1% of the people who get it. If you want to help keep the elderly and sick influenza free the best thing to do is take your vit c, D3 and vit E. Stay away from the flu vaccine.

Replied by Oscar
(Syracuse, New York)

Dear Cvp from Toronto, I do not have any helpful suggestions. But you may be interested to know that there are others reporting serious side effects from these flu vacines and that there is a recently created discussion of all this going on in the: Life Extension Forum. I will provide a link to one of those discussions. Hopefully some helpful advice can come from that discussion and here is that link:

You may wish to join that forum and join that discussion. I will suggest describing the symptoms, condition in hopes of finding some helpful suggestions....Oscar

Replied by Cvp
(Toronto, On)

Thanks for the information. I will check this out there may be some helpful information. Happy New Year.

Flu Shots
Posted by Robin (Rural, VA) on 09/26/2008

I was just wondering what the attitude was amongst the Earth Clinic Community toward flu shots. I am a teacher and have gotten them in recent years. I am not in any a high risk category; in fact my immune system seems to be working pretty good. But it is time to decide whether to get one or not. Just looking for some insight.

Replied by Leena
(Montrose, CO)

I say don't do it, they put mercury in the really don't want it. And also, they haven't got a clue as to which vaccine to give. Please make sure you don't let your children get it also. Watch "Know the Cause" and you will be awakened like never before.

EC: Thanks, Leena. Can you provide us with a link to the video?

Replied by Janie
(Georgetown, Kentucky)

What about the flu mist? My daughter's elementary school starting giving flu mist last school year and I just signed them up again this year. I have a friend who became a biofeedback technician this past year and told me to quit taking the flu shots. She said my body reacted to them. But I have been getting my kids the flu mist the last few years.

Gardasil Side Effects

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Posted by Bee (Stl, Usa) on 09/30/2009

Undiagnosed Illness

I am writing to see if someone could help with my sister's situation, since this website has become an invaluable resource to me. She has been struggling with a fibromyalgia type illness for close to a year and a half now (not officially diagnosed). She is in her mid-teens and has had to drop out of school because of the weakness and fatigue, as well as the fact that she comes down with every little bug. She also says she has all over body aches and pains, as well as frequent headaches. It all started when she got mono, which was diagnosed early in 2008. This lasted many months and during that time she also had some swelling/enlargement of her spleen, which has since abated. The mono was going around among her friends, and probably contracted from sharing a drink. However, instead of getting better her situation progressively got worse.

Following up she was sent to a number of doctors. They were quick to diagnose her with depression, however, that just isn't the sister I know. She was down, yes, but only because she was sick. So they put her on cymbalta and they insisted on pushing the dose up to I think 90 mg, and she's a TINY person, approx 90 lbs and under five foot. This did not improve the situation and she's been lowered to about half dose. The doctor who prescribed it refused to think there was any other problem anyways. Other doctors, other tests and one finds she's dangerously low in vitamin D, so she starts on vitamin D supplements, megadoses taken once a week. It helps, but still she remains bedridden for the most part. At times antibiotics are prescribed and these seem to help, which makes it seem maybe there is a low grade chronic infection? Not sure.

Over time, I have done research and I can say some of it can likely be attributed to poor eating habits. But then we realize she had the gardasil vaccine shortly before ALL of this started. I don't want to say definitively that this is the cause, but it seems to strange to be a coincidence. Especially with everything I've been reading. Also, I don't want to get stuck on that diagnosis as the problem and overlook other possibilities.

Also, recently she took some immune system tests which showed that her immune system is responsive, it is not responding normally, which raises questions of autoimmune disorders?

What I'm really looking for is help and insight to get to the bottom of this and help to make her well again. Lately after a recent round of antibiotics she's doing better, but she has good and bad days and still mainly rests in bed. I refuse to believe there is nothing we can do, and also the doctors have unfortunately been relatively worthless and even have sometimes insinuated that my sister is faking and has duped my mom into believing it. I know she's not faking and I want her to be back to her old self. Please if anyone could help I would most greatly appreciate it! Thank you for your time and thank you for this wonderful site.

Replied by Tara
(Boston, Mass, USA)

Bee, I am so very sorry to hear about your sister. How horrible. There was a case in England a few days ago about a young girl who died shortly after the Gardasil shot, but they came out 24 hours later saying she had a pre-existing medical condition. I don't quite believe that. There must be many more side effects from the Gardasil shot than what we can locate though a search engine. The pharmaceutical companies know how to hide damaging information from appearing in search engine results.You really have to dig to uncover the facts.

The one remedy that comes to mind for your sister that may be helpful is the hydrogen peroxide inhalation method. Please keep us updated on your sister's condition. Best, Tara.

Replied by Jane
(Fort Worth, Texas)

I was thinking that the teenage girl who has energy and depression problems can try taking turmeric regularly. I have been thinking about that myself but haven't started it yet. I read on EC that turmeric is good to help autoimmune issues. (I need to bust out of a rut to incorporate new supplements.) I also read somewhere about adding black pepper to the turmeric might be important for assimilation. I bought turmeric at an Indian market and it was cheap.

Another thing I think is she might benefit from taking some food grade h2o2. If she doesn't have food grade yet then she could bathe in 3% h2o2 by pouring it on her body. I think it will get in her system and fight pathogens and increase her energy. She can also do the cure of the food grade h2o2 in the fine mist nasal spray bottle. What is the man's name who posted that? She might make magnesium oil and put it on her skin like we did. It has antiviral and antifungal properties. Oral magnesium malate will help, I believe. George Eby cured himself of depression with magnesium. She can read about that on the internet. She can search these things on EC also. I would remind her not to take vitamin C near the h2o2 because they will cancel each other out. Oxidant and antioxidant.

If she did get contaminated with the vaccine, I think those two supplements may be a good place to begin. But I don't know much, I just know what I would do and have done. I would clean up my diet drastically. Hippocrates said let your food be your medicine and let your medicine be your food. Calcium encourages viral growth so I would cut the milk and cheese. Sugar is a culprit and its common knowledge that it encourages fungus and yeast.

She might look into taking iodine. Dr. Brownstein has good info on that.

The vaccination may have been contaminated with a virus or fungus or bacteria or who knows what. So think along the lines of cleaning up the body and prepare it to fight its own battles. Also she might try taking oral magnesium malate, selenium, vitamin c along with the vit d she's taking.

Also lecithin granules is good to take between meals Ted says. Like oil pulling. Oh yea she can oil pull. Organic sesame oil is good. That will probably help.

I guess I'm thinking along the lines that she needs to detox from the vaccine. And don't get another one!

Her healing will be a process I'm sure. If she can just start by doing the things she has available and then add others as she can and see if she notices improvement.

If she will also relax and speak to her Creator and then listen, she might get some insight on what's going on with her.

I hope to hear a report that she gets her energy back.


EC: Bee, Jane emailed this response to me, which is why she isn't answering you back directly.


Replied by Kathy
(Dubois, Pa)

In addition to the Vitamin D-3, which is critical, please make sure the girl is getting enough Vitamin C, because the immune system won't function properly without it. Not only that, but Mono is a virus, and viruses deplete the body of Vitamin C, so she could have scurvy and not even know it. Amazingly enough, doctors are taught that most people get enough Vitmin C, even though that is NOT true (of course, to doctors, "enough" is a mere 60mg/day), and since they assume that most people are Vitamin C sufficient, they don't even recognize the signs of scurvy, even when they are staring them in the face.

Replied by Bee
(Stl, Usa)

Thank you to all for your thoughtful comments, I will be sure to pass this information along. I know she was taking some chewable vitamin c that I also take, I turned her on to a certain brand that tastes really good which made it much easier to remember to take. She's always been picky about tastes and textures. I will have to check if she still takes that.

Also, I did just hear about the case of the girl dying after receiving the vaccine. I've seen other people write about similar experiences, and though the vaccine companies aren't coming out with this information, I just don't think all these cases are coincidence. Also, she had more vaccines than me or my other sister and she's gotten the newer vaccines which weren't around when we were younger, like the chicken pox vaccine, etc. And she's the only one who has had these problems. Although she was more picky about eating nutritious food than us, so I'm sure that didn't help either. It scares me to think about all the vaccines they are pushing nowadays, with questionable efficacy and many health risks. It's just so important for people to realize that they shouldn't put the trust of their health into other's hands, I've been doing my own research for years now and would never rely on a doctor's diagnosis alone. They can be great for some things, but they are still human and it's your body and your health. As for vaccines, I am and would advise anyone to be very cautious about getting them. Especially reading the news about the mandatory H1N1 vaccines frightens me. I feel like that could especially be dangerous for my sister, yet they would say she probably should be high priority for one.

Anyways, thanks again for this site! I definitely am glad that there are resources like this and know that there are definitely things that can help my sister and cases like hers. I remain optimistic that things can get much better!

Replied by Bunny
(Santa Ana, Ca)

Probiotics to counter the antibiotics, and if she's had several courses you may be looking at a serious candida problem. For overall strenthening green powders are fantastic. I used to get every bug that was going around. Since starting a green powder I haven't been sick once-going on 2 years now. A good one will run 35-40$ and be mostly greens with little fruit or bran fillers. Start with a teaspoon twice a day and work up to a tablespoon two times a day. Healthfood stores carry the best quality-ask the staff for a recommendation. Get the best. This is one area not to skimp on. Rather than a single megadose of vit D once a week try 800 IU every day. And get a saliva test for adrenals. I have read of mono triggering hypoadrenia and I guarantee your doctor won't look for it. Clean up the diet. Nothing will help if she's eating junk. This has an inflammatory component so you will need to study up on anti-inflammatory and alkalizing diets. I hope this helps you.

Replied by Jae
(Baltimore, Md)

That gardasil shot has been linked to deaths and severe side effects. A few yrs ago my niece suddenly stopped talking to people she would only talk to me, my sister and our mother. My sister took her to various drs. to a child psychologist who said she must have had some traumatic event happen to her. Out of desperation my sister took her to a health food store that does an iris eye test, they concluded that she was overloaded with toxins from vaccinations, my sister put her on a vaccine detox supplement, sublingual b-12 and a few other products and shortly after she was back to normal. if you research vaccinations the ingredients are horrible you should have her see an herbalist and get her on a detox regimine of some sort. I heard on another website (i guess i can't mention)that 1 drop of mercury spilled and hazmat crews are called because it is so toxic but yet children can be loaded with it in vaccines along with monkey kidneys and various other ingredients. please update us on her progress. God bless

Replied by Susan
(Ohio, Il)

I have been in a similar situation for the last two decades. Mono, fatigue, poor immune system led to a reduction in exercise and proper nutrition and an increase in stress and symptoms. I was also diagnosed as suffering from depression, Fibromyalgia, non restorative sleep, a severe D deficiency, early menopause, and so on. Stress was a major contributor to my lapses. I knew my system was out of sync, but drs and homeopaths offered me diagnoses, marginal short term improvements, but no clear cause. Supplements and Remedies helped delay a serious health outcome.

The lesson I learned is to maintain a healthy lymphatic system. In my most critical state of health, or lack thereof, eating food in its basic state like carrot, apple and wheatgrass juice, bran and banana smoothies with cayenne/honey and other herbal supplements, proscribed by an herbalist, helped my body to focus on healing and not digestion and absorbtion. A liter of pure water, plus keen attention to achieving several bowel movements each day. Bouncing gently on a trampoline daily and castor oil rubbed on my glands and abdomen kept me alive. I don't know if I'll survive my condition as years of misdiagnosis and toxicity from lymphatic blockage have run their course. I hope my experience can help her to possibly avoid my situation. I hope your sister gains strength from your love and the help of nutrients, and a improved lymphatic function.

Replied by Terri
(Crawford, Ga, Usa)

My daughter was suffering from the exact same symptoms and missed 30% of her school year. We were frustrated with our doctor because they too suggested it was depression. Here it is - we changed doctors and she was diagnosed with Hashimoto's Autoimmune diseas. She was undiagnosed and untreated for so long that her blood work revealed amazing off the chart increases that stated hypothyroidism and all of her symptoms were hyperthyroidism. She was very sick. I feel fortunate that I made the right decision to change doctors at the exact time that I did - I have no idea what may have happened to her if it had prolonged any further. I can't imagine what caused this to happen to her - I am suspicious of the Gardasil vaccine, it seems that a lot of her friends who are mere teenagers are having issues with their thyroid. It is a no brainer that something has been introduced to our childre's environmet that has spawned a disease that traditionally belonged to older adults.

Replied by Suzanne
(Seattle, Wa)

Hello, it's been years since you posted, but I was curious if the doctors ever discovered what was the matter with your sister? The Epstein-Barr virus (mono) is thought to play a role in triggering Hashimoto's thyroiditis, an autoimmune thyroid disease. I would recommend getting her thyroid levels tested if that hasn't already been done.

Replied by Deb
(Riverview, Fl.)

I'm sorry I don't know how to post websites w/o copy & paste. Go to Weston A Price, click on their health topics, go down to vaccine. I have others, Natural News, search their HPV & vaccine. Vaccines are for profit only & they can't be sued so they don't care if they harm or not. I have more sites, just don't know how to post them. Best to you!

Gardasil Side Effects
Posted by Tina (Dayton, OH) on 07/26/2009

Regarding vaccines, I have a question about about the HPV Gardisil vaccine... I recently got this vaccine for my 16 yr old daughter while at a dr appt. The doctor recommended, so I listened to the dr. This was before I knew about this website and the important information here. I sincerely regret ever getting her this vaccine and I am wondering if there is any way to "detox" her from this? She got the shot about 3-4 months ago. Please advise, I am very concerned now. Thank you so much!!

Replied by Sheena
(Glasgow, Scotland)

Ted posted a response to a similar question re Swine flu vaccination. He suggested Lysine, Hydrogen Peroxide and fresh coriander (aka cilantro or Chinese parsley). I am not sure if Lysine is specific to the swine flu virus, but the coriander will be useful as will the HP. The coriander is eaten to remove heavy metals (Mercury) from the body and this metal is thought to be present in all vaccinations. You can check out the Heavy Metal Detox page for more information. The HP is not so simple if you've never used it before. You should read up on this (there's a page dedicated to HP) and make sure you buy the right kind (food grade) and dilute it properly (to a 3% solution). If you don't like the thought of drinking it (I didn't at first either), you can also bathe in it and it will enter the system.

Gardasil Side Effects
Posted by Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 04/17/2009 495 posts


32 girls have died!

Please watch video on drastic side effects of Gardasil vaccine which is supposed to prevent cervical cancer. We have to admit it works, because I have never heard of a dead person who developed cervical cancer from and reportedly 32 have already died following the vaccine!!!!!! If you have a web site you might save a few lives by adding a link to this site on your web site!

Hopefully most of you have heard about the avian flu vaccine in Europe although our propaganda media apparently plans to keep it hid. Seems some brilliant scientist injected some little 4 leggeds with the vaccine and they died from avian flu. When they called it to the manufacturers attention, they said they had accidently contaminated the vaccine with the avian flu virus. When pressed to explain how they managed to accidently contaminate the vaccine with this particular virus, their story changed to they had accidently shipped out the avial flu virus instead of the the flu vaccine?????????? How did this happen ACCIDENTALLY?????? For more on this go to Natural Solutions Foundation!

Gardasil Side Effects
Posted by Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 09/01/2008 495 posts

** This was copied from Dr. Douglas' site - would love to see it posted on EC where it would reach many women and parents of young girls.

"Dear Friend,

What will it take for Big Pharma to stop pushing their dangerous and useless vaccines? Apparently, one death a month is not going to be enough.

That's the rate at which women who have had Merck's cervical cancer vaccine, Gardasil, are dying, according to a new report. This is especially tragic because Gardasil is far and away the most unnecessary vaccine that's currently on the market (and that's really saying something).

An FDA report on Gardasil was recently obtained by Judicial Watch, a public interest group that campaigns against government corruption. They used the Freedom of Information act to show that the FDA has received reports of 10 deaths associated with Gardasil since September of 2007. Merck has come under fire for "fast-tracking" Gardasil to market without proper testing in order to be the first to offer this repulsive, needless vaccination.

In addition to the deaths, the report unearthed by Judicial Watch also noted a large number of other medical incidents involving Gardasil, including 140 serious adverse reactions (which included such pleasantries as anaphylactic shock, grand mal seizures, foaming at the mouth, coma, and paralysis %uFFFD of these, 27 cases were considered life threatening), 10 spontaneous abortions, and six cases of Guillian-Barre Syndrome, a debilitating nerve disorder.

Sounds great, huh? But the above description is incredibly sanitized. The report found by Judicial Watch is a catalogue of horrors that includes the near instant death of many otherwise perfectly healthy women who died soon after their inoculation with Gardasil.

Guilliain Barre

Posted by Pclouds (Annapolis,md) on 11/03/2013 1 posts

A good friend was just diagnosed w Guillain Barre after getting a flu shot a week ago. I wondered if any of you have insight on treatments or cures that would lessen her issues. She has no feeling in her hands and falls a lot. Currently she is in intensive care at hospital. Doctors have dismissed flu shot as correlation to this sudden onset. Any suggestions are most welcome. Many thanks for all the great info and wisdom you provide here.


Replied by Prioris
(Fl, Usa)

In regards to "Doctors have dismissed flu shot as correlation to this sudden onset"

Vaccines are behind the cause of Guillian Barre and other chronic diseases.

There are disinformation studies which say that there is no link but they base that on saying that there were no vaccines given in six week prior and then claim they are safe. Some people are effected immediately while others aren't effected for many years or decades afterwards.

Your friend being treated by such doctors is the first danger. They will pump her with synthetic medicines that may put her health at further risk.

I don't have any treatment suggestions outside of finding a naturopath who has dealt with it before.

Replied by Mari
(Los Angeles)

I know of 2 women who were affected by flu shots. Back in 1976 when there was the Swine Flu scare, the mother-in-law of a gal I worked with was paralyzed from it. Another friend's mother got a flu shot before a trip on an ocean liner up to Alaska. On her return, she began complaining of her legs not holding her up. Fortunately, she was diagnosed with Guillaine Barre and they stopped the paralysis in time.

Homeopathic Remedies

Posted by Laurie (Sudbury, Ontario) on 10/31/2009

I go to the health food store to buy vitamins and stuff for me and my family, when I can afford it (as very expensive). I was given this pamphlet on homepathogy, (I think that is what it is, left the pamplet at my freinds.) anyways its an oral way of giving a flu vaccination as compared to an injection. As anyone ever heard of it or tried it and if so what were the results? Thanks. Oh I can never find my questions or replies ever, still looking for the other ones, so could someone please email me this respond if any and also at the same time let me know how to find my stuff. Thanks again. [email protected]

EC: Note: homeopathology is another word for homeopathy.

Hi Laurie, if you are a registered EC user, once you log in, you should be able to find links to all your questions by clicking on the link at the top of every page that says "My Account". Then click on the "My Feedback" link.

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