Natural Remedies

Chronic Pain Remedies

| Modified on Nov 07, 2022
Valerian Root
Posted by Caroline (Nyssa) on 11/06/2022
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I fell 5 ft off of a ladder on my buttocks. I was in excruciating pain. My x-ray revealed a compression fracture. My chiropractor recommended icing and ibuprofen 4X daily. After a week and a half my stomach could no longer handle the ibuprofen. I was in too much pain to sleep so I took some Valerian Root. It was like a miracle.....I slept all night and woke the next morning with very little pain!

Rocking Chair Therapy
Posted by Meg (KY) on 09/22/2022
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You just made a lightbulb go off in my head. I, like my old grandpappy, am a chronic rocker. I have almost no anxiety, no depression whatsoever and am really healthy for my age. Could it possibly be my rocking chair? That is so interesting. I've always wondered why everyone is so sick and I'm not. I eat whatever I want, don't exercise that much but have never been on any medication except the occassional antibiotic in my youth. Instead of prescription meds, they should hand out rocking chairs!

Rocking Chair Therapy
Posted by Samantha (NY) on 09/22/2022

What is a BSM?

EC: Blackstrap Molasses

Rocking Chair Therapy
Posted by mmsg (somewhere, europe) on 09/11/2022

Ahhhh MtM, so THAT'S why I love me some rocking chair time!

As a child, I would get nauseous on a swing but after starting on BSM a few years ago, I can rock and even read in a car!

Rocking Chair Therapy
Posted by Mama to Many (TN) on 09/10/2022
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I have had a significant flare up of my bursitis, which has led me to a help that I have never considered.

Yesterday was a lovely day and I went out to the porch to swing and crochet in the sunshine for a little bit. I realized my pain was not bothering me as much. Certainly sunshine and something to do with my hands was a pleasant distraction, but then I considered the rocking.

Parents and caregivers naturally rock and sway to sooth babies and little children. Perhaps rocking is soothing for humans of all ages!

I did a little research and found that studies have found that rocking in a rocking chair has many health benefits.

It helps to decrease cravings of addicts in rehab facilities. It improves balance among the elderly in care facilities, it also reduces requests for pain medicines, and reduces agitation. Rocking can release endorphins, which can help with pain.

For the elderly, rocking in a chair improve blood flow and gives a bit of exercise to muscles.

Rocking chair therapy has also been used to improve outcomes after some surgeries.

My take away is that it makes sense to ensure that the elderly have an available rocking chair. And that anyone, no matter the age, may benefit from some rocking chair time to relieve anxiety, pain, and cravings.

Maybe rocking chairs are a way to restore some calm to our society which has become increasingly frenetic.

Happy Rocking,

~Mama to Many~

DMSO, Castor Oil
Posted by Linda (Ireland ) on 02/10/2022
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Bought dmso for my sore shoulder, I dont know why it was sore but I couldn't lift my arm above my head and it was starting to hurt even without movement, so earth clinic suggested dmso and castor oil.

1 application and after a rash, itch and a little discomfort the pain went from 9 out of 10 to like a 2.....i love herbs and old remedies and would definitely recommend this

Horsetail and Solomon's Seal Tinctures
Posted by Felicia J. (Tennessee) on 10/06/2021

Hi Ron,

Now that it's been 2 months since your last comment, do your knees feel like they have been healed? Thanks.

Horsetail and Solomon's Seal Tinctures
Posted by Deirdre (Connecticut) on 08/07/2021

Hi Ron,

Thank you for your post! Besides trying out Palo Santo essential oil based on your other recent post, I also ordered solomon's seal tincture to check out (Yep, it's the fun part of my job as owner/moderator of Earth Clinic! )

I tried Solomon's Seal a few times, taking only 3-5 drops each time based on Amazon reviews even though the dose on the bottle was 30 drops! The first time, within 30 minutes my sinuses opened up and drained. Didn't know there was anything to drain, but apparently, there was. It didn't happen again.

Also I can confirm Solomon's Seal is not a MILD diuretic like many articles report, but quite a powerful diuretic. For anyone trying the extract, get ready to pee a lot... On the second day of testing the herb, I awoke with a headache that lasted all day. Finally figured out it was probably from dehydration even though I was drinking plenty of liquids. After gulping down a large glass of water, the headache promptly went away.

I also read about Solomon's Seal being safe and fabulous for dogs with arthritis, so I added just 3 drops to both of my elderly dogs' dinner one night earlier in the week. One dog did fine with it, but it set off a series of bowel issues in my other dog, who has a sensitive stomach, leading to a massive amount of diarrhea, leading to blood and anal discharge, leading me to rush him to the emergency vet and a $1500 bill! Turns out he had an anal abscess that started draining and leaking all over the place. I'm guessing it was simmering beforehand and just 3 drops of the herb accelerated the body's clearing of it... Poor guy. That was a rough few days.

I think one should be careful with this herb as it's extremely potent. That's my feedback on Solomon's Seal based on my first week. I'll update again on it in the future as it's a very interesting herb. But I won't test it out on my dogs again, just me! I bought the non-alcohol formula from Amazon, by the way...

Thanks again for posting!

Horsetail and Solomon's Seal Tinctures
Posted by Ron (Idaho) on 08/01/2021
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I have found that horsetail and solomon's seal tinctures both work for pain with arthritis and lost cartilage and as well as pain, they also aid in healing, I have been told horsetail is known for regrowing cartilage, I know they help me a lot.

Garlic in Honey
Posted by Holly (Riverdale) on 07/25/2021

Dear Jenny,

You might try burdock root tea for your radiating breast pain. I have had some sort of painful breast congestion for over six months. I have tried different things and have found some temporary relief. (I have not had a mammogram and I am in my 50's. Honestly, I am afraid to get one and afraid of getting on the medical merry go round for this.) I started drinking burdock root tea (I don't even recall why) and realized that the pain/congestion in my breast has significantly reduced! I will keep drinking the tea. Burdock root tea is also good for nerve pain. Get good quality burdock root. Like Frontier Herbs organic burdock root. Put a tablespoon into a canning jar and pour 2 cups of boiling water over it. Let is steep for 2-3 hours. Strain and drink. It isn't bad tasting but you could add a bit of stevia or honey if you like. I drink it every day. It is an ingredient in essiac tea, which is a cancer/tumor/chronic illness remedy with many applications. Holly

Garlic in Honey
Posted by Jenny (CA) on 07/23/2021
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This is just my personal experience, I am not a health professional. I have right breast pain that runs up my neck, radiates in my shoulder and down my arm into my hand.

I chop four garlic cloves and let sit for about 10 minutes to activate the Allicin, I then mix in raw honey about a tablespoon.

I chew a couple of times before I swallow and this provides pain relief almost instantly. It only lasts a few hours though.

Posted by HisJewel (New York) on 07/20/2021

Thank you, Tessa.

Posted by Tessa (Okanagan) on 07/19/2021

Hi HisJewel -

Glad to hear that lysine is working for your pain! I'm beginning to think it's one of those "unsung heroes" that not too many people know about. It's also good for cardiovascular health (among other things).

As part of Linus Pauling's cardiovascular protocol (which includes various nutrients), he recommended 1,000 mg lysine daily for prevention and up to 6 grams daily if you have heart disease.

As for exercise, I'm wondering if getting your lymph moving in a gentle way (like one poster, Cindy, recommends) by bouncing softly on your bed (feet on floor, bottom on a mattress with springs), a yoga ball (there are much smaller balls too that will do the trick), a rebounder or anything with "give" - just to help the flow.

I wish you all the best. Take care,


Posted by HisJewel (New York) on 07/18/2021
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Hello Earth Clinic,

As ORH has desired for us to do I have been studying. I am a big woman and do little exercise until I get to the subway steps. (Mama and Michael I tried). Never the less I shall keep trying to pick up on the exercises.

It seems I'm dealing with two problems during the sitting; A numbing pain from poor circulation and Tailbone pain.

To cut to the chase, I just want to say that Lysine has helped my Tailbone pain more than any pain killers I have tried. Amazing!

I had wanted to cry after doing some traveling, and then rushed to a service. Before I knew it, I was back in the house and had fallen asleep and not taken my supplements.

I don't know if it was the good Lord or not, but it came to my mind you have not taken your Lysine. I got up and took two 1000 mgs because I was in PAIN! I fell back to sleep and when I awoke, no pain. I had a feeling before that it was the lysine that was giving me relief when I took it, now I know.

There is plenty of information about lysine and viruses, but very little information of lysine as an anti-inflammatory.

Healing Benefits of L-Lysine

Coconut Oil and Celtic Sea Salt
Posted by Elaine (OK) on 01/22/2021

5 tablespoons

Coconut Oil and Celtic Sea Salt
Posted by M. (Md) on 01/21/2021

Youtube has the remedy. It says 5 Tbsp.of salt.

Coconut Oil and Celtic Sea Salt
Posted by Sara (The Beaches) on 01/21/2021

How much salt?

Coconut Oil and Celtic Sea Salt
Posted by Elaine (Oklahoma City) on 01/21/2021
5 out of 5 stars

I found this pain reliever on YouTube. I was very skeptic, but tried it as I had both ingredients, yes two ingredients, in my cabinet.

Get one 14 oz jar of extra virgin coconut oil and Celtic Sea Salt. It has to be Celtic, no other sea salt works. You can find Celtic Sea Salt at a health food store or you can order it online.

Mix the two ingredients together then let it sit for 72 hours. It needs to marry/blend together. Then put it on an ache or pain.

This has worked for all but one person I have recommended this to. I have recommended to many and they have passed it on to their friends and family. It's AMAZING. If you try this I pray it works.

It's cheap compared to other remedies. My friend told me I had saved her $80 a month on CBD oil and the coconut oil worked better.

ACV, Baking Soda, Lemon Juice, MSM
Posted by Lana (Texas) on 01/16/2021

Thanks for sharing. I was on psych meds for over 20 years and in constant pain in shoulders and most muscles in legs and back. I began to suspect these were causing the pain so detoxed for 3 months and walla! With a little exercise and losing a few pounds, the pain disappeared. Four years later now, I'm living mostly pain free, clear minded and thanking God for giving me the wisdom to do that.

Epsom Salt Soak, Hot and Cold Therapy
Posted by Teena (Melbourne, Australia) on 11/13/2018 235 posts

Alex, doctors can sometimes miss fractures on x-rays, I would be applying comfrey (knitbone) salve, and making an infusion to take internally. When I have good supply I consume it daily. Read the comfrey page here on EC for more info on this amazing herb.

Epsom Salt Soak, Hot and Cold Therapy
Posted by Iowama (Ny) on 11/13/2018

Hi Alex,

I wonder if you could make an appointment with an Orthopedist? You may have a fracture that an x-ray did not make clear. An Ortho would order an MRI to get a better look into the problem. If it is broken, it would not be unusual that you are sensing a difference in the sensation and it would not be all that unusual that you don't know how it happened.

I speak from the experience of having a similar-sounding problem several years ago when my ankle gave me trouble. Our small local hospital did not have an MRI machine, so the doctor simply told me it was not broken. Luckily, my husband advised me to see an Orthopedist, who ordered an MRI, diagnosed the fracture, and put me in the proper boot cast. It healed quickly after that. I hope you will soon find your answer.

Epsom Salt Soak, Hot and Cold Therapy
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 11/13/2018

Alex, rubbing castor oil into the painful areas a few times a day, did it for my wrist.

Epsom Salt Soak, Hot and Cold Therapy
Posted by Alex (New Bern, Nj) on 11/13/2018
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I injured my wrist. Couldn't say how, but it hurts. After 2 weeks, I went to the dr and had an xray, not broken. He said use a brace, hot/cold, and have to wait it out. Well, now it's 3 weeks later and it hurts worse than it did when I went to the Dr .I have been wearing a brace constantly except when washing, applying heat/cold periodically (can't while at work), soaking in epsom salts 2x/day and avoiding using it. What else can I do? Should I apply dmso? I have it on hand. I noticed overnight that now it has something rubbing in there if I flex my fingers (which are not held stationary by the brace). I think the dr didn't take it seriously since the first thing he asked was what was I taking for it. I don't take pain killers since I had an ulcer in the past and don't want to start that again.

Baking Soda
Posted by Luis (Valle) on 08/31/2018


Baking soda taken in high doses can cause the flow of oxygen to the heart to be reduced, producing a heart attack. That happened to me because I took a heaping teaspoon in a glass of water up to twice a day. The electrocardiogram was fine but the troponins were out of phase and the creatinine high. That meant my internment in intensive care for a week.

Please, see:

-Those with chronic kidney disorder have a higher risk of heart failure with a higher amount of bicarbonate in their blood.

-Oxygen flow to the heart may also be reduced with the use of sodium bicarbonate in some patients.

Baking Soda
Posted by Art (California ) on 08/29/2018 1508 posts

It should be noted that one teaspoon of baking soda in a single dose can give some people diarrhea.


Baking Soda
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/30/2018

Edward D. that sounds like a LOT of baking soda.... Make sure to watch out for side effects.

Baking Soda
Posted by Edward D. (East Tawas, Mi) on 08/29/2018
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Arm and Hammer baking soda for pain. .....

I take 1 teaspoon in the morning, noon, night with 8 oz of water mix well until glass is clear. If. I have pain I add the same dosage every two hours.

Ginger Tea
Posted by Joann M. (Ohio) on 07/18/2018
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I drink ginger tea every day. It helps with pain in my arms and back. I have a calcium deposit that is killing me on my left wrist. I am going to try the apple cider vinegar and magnesium.

Art's Topical Pain Reliever
Posted by Art (California ) on 07/10/2018 1508 posts
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I was discussing a very simple mixture on another forum for topical pain relief that is easy to make and fairly effective so I thought I would mention it here since many people here at EC probably already have the ingredients.

The mixture is coconut oil and eucalyptus oil. I am not a big fan of the smell of eucalyptus oil so I thought I would not like this topical that initially smells much like Vicks, but what I found is that the smell faded away in about 5 minutes and seemed to work fairly well as a topical pain reliever. It is warm right now so my coconut oil is in a liquid state which made it easy to mix with the eucalyptus oil. I just used 15 drops of eucalyptus essential oil in about a half ounce of coconut oil. I just mixed it and applied it so I don't know how lasting it is, but so far it seems to be working fairly well and I can't smell the coconut oil or eucalyptus oil. Also, the eucalyptus oil seems to help the coconut oil soak in quickly which means that it doesn't leave you feeling oily or greasy by the time the smell goes away! It also leaves the skin nice and smooth!

I suspect this may be useful for other things like sinus issues, but you can just let your imagination go to work!


Glucosamine, Chondroitin, MSM
Posted by Martin (Atlanta, Ga) on 05/19/2018
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I have hip and knee bursitis. Walking was very painful, esp in the hip joint on my right side. A sports friend told me to take Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM. I had side effects (headache, heart palps) at first and then had to break my capsules open and take only 1/4 of it to start. But after 2 weeks I stopped having pain and walking got easier. Wonderful supplements. Highly recommend to anyone with arthritis.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Sweety (Rome, Georgia) on 12/10/2017
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I don't like the taste of apple cider vinegar at all but I was in a automobile accident where I was rear ended and had seen accident a chiropractor for 3 years. I would get better than get worse. I don't know what was going on with that. Anyway, I stopped going to him about a month ago because I began to think that he was doing something to keep me coming back so I started to take the apple cider vinegar about a week ago I could not take it straight or with water so I tried it with grape juice it was the way for me.

I have been taking a tablespoon once a day but I am going to start to take it two times a day because it is working some for me so if I double that amount I feel as I will get faster results.

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Mama To Many (Tn) on 09/28/2017

Dear Michael,

If you mean can you make your own turmeric capsules at home, yes. I have done so for years. It makes it quite inexpensive and you are assured of quality.

I bought a little capsule maker. It makes 24 at a time. I get organic turmeric root and empty capsules that fit the capsule maker. (I like the 00 kind as they are a bit larger. 5 capsules is about 1 teaspoon)

Once I fill the capsules, before putting the caps on, I use my pepper grinder to grind a bit of pepper into the capsules as the pepper is supposed to increase the effect of turmeric.

And yes, it helps with pain, inflammation, itching, infections. We use turmeric all the time.

~Mama to Many~

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Michael J. (In) on 09/27/2017 2 posts

I was curious about turmeric, Can you make your own at home?

Does it really help ease pain? I know you can buy the pills but they are so expensive.

Posted by Linda (Nigeria ) on 06/01/2017

For carpel tunnel, use organic acv.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Emma (Texas) on 05/05/2017

Sciatica is the name of the pain. It does not indicate why the pain is happening. Sciatica can be due to subluxation, slipped disks, tumor, tendinitis, hip upslip, sprained ankle and the list goes on. Only way you will know what to do for the pain is thru trial and error. Same way docs try to see why it is happening. Trial and error

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 02/25/2017

Hi again Bonniebee, More on the pain treatment:-

! ) Take powdered Turmeric stirred up in a little water! Boil a cup full of water, let it go off the boil and add a teaspoon of Turmeric. Stir and allow to cool. If you like you can simmer that liquid for a few minutes (say 5 to 10). Allow to cool and you can add a little honey to taste if preferred. Don't boil the honey. Ginger could be included alongside the Turmeric as an extra. Pinch of Sea Salt or Black Pepper also.

2) Castor oil can be rubbed into your sore spots. Use old clothes/sheets/towels though as it is messy (but effective). It's even more effective if used with a hot water bottle as described on this site.

3) An Epsom Salts bath (or foot bath) again as described herein.

4) Serrapeptase (I have not tried this one but it can apparently be combined with an agent to increase absorption). Check it out as I have good reports for this when other treatments failed.

5) Magnesium Chloride for muscle spasms (taken with water). Very effective for that. Maybe spray the Magnesium on the skin and briefly and gently rub over.

6) Celery Juice or Cabbage juice

7) 2 cups Apple juice, 1 cup white Grape juice and half a cup of ACV. Mix up and keep in fridge. Take 2 ozs each day before meals.

8) A smoothie first thing in the morning to set you up. Use mostly vegetables esp. Cauliflower and Broccoli, as well as Carrots, Beetroot and Spinach etc. Less of the fruits as they can contain too much sugar (more than we realize). A few fruits are O.K. of course.

I hope you will choose to try out some of the above and get good results. It would be nice if you would keep us posted on your progress though.

Cheers, Michael

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 02/25/2017

Well Bonniebee, the cause of pain is very tricky to identify, especially when it occurs in multiple locations in the body.

Your doctor may well be as confused as you are, lead you up the garden path, the wrong path, or most probably assert there is no path and just keep on taking the "tablets"!

I am tempted to refer you to my ground-breaking (ha ha) research, which you will find on this wonderful site under "Backpain (multiple remedies)" section. But then again, where would you start on that long journey! ?

1) You could consider Molasses as well as ACV, lemon and honey. Many folks have had good and rapid success with these two either separately or together (ACV/Molasses). I would take that in the morning, as you do already and another one at night, say up to one hour after your evening meal. I find that taking stuff immediately upon retiring is not always conducive to a good night's sleep-something many of us crave for and is frequently annoyingly elusive! Take with the tiniest dash of ground black pepper. Eat before seven p.m. and don't snack afterwards too. Self control is going to be key!

2) You could consider MSM dosing, but again NOT before bedtime or watch out! MSM is very popular and there is plenty of feedback here you should peruse. Start off very low (Americans tend to over-indulge/binge out in my experience- they wont print this bit!! ). Slowly increase the dosage till benefits occur. Be patient!

3) Mega dosing with Alfalfa herb is one exception I would make to the above unkind comment! I would consider that in special unresponsive cases but you need to see your Good Doctor before going there. May depend on the meds you are already on. A bit costly that one.

4) Alkalize the body long term, heavily reduce acidic foods and drink more water than you currently feel comfortable with. Gradually increase your consumption and add lemon or lime to make it palatable if required. Add a pinch of ground black pepper, sea salt or that millions of years old salt you have in Utah (it will probably come with a use by date on the label?! ) Cayenne pepper stirred into in a glass of warm water can have a quick, temporary result.

5) Apple Pectin

6) Avocado - a whole avocado each day.

7) Boswella Carterii / Devil's Claw

8)Ted's Borax Protocols (there are two and folks get confused but it is not rocket science-choose one of them).

9) A good quality vitamin C tablet once every three days is really important. Get a non-acidic one. You should follow the MSM with Vit C I reckon anyway if you choose to go down that road.

10) Ceylon/Sri Lankan Cinnamon and honey one or two doses per day.

You can get the amounts of all of the above by researching this Site. Gotta let you do some of the work!

Cheers and good luck.


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Bonniebee (New ) on 02/24/2017 1 posts
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I already take one TBLS of ACV with honey and lemon every morning in a glass of warm water, but it has not helped the pain in my head, neck and back. How much ACV can one take a day for pain? Would you recommend taking it again at bedtime (I have the most pain at night and I have been avoiding IBP and other NSaids after finding out how dangerous they can be.

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Mama To Many (Tn) on 01/09/2017

Dear Michael,

Re: heating/steeping vrs. not..

I do think many herbs and remedies benefit from heating and time. Herbalist Susan Weed says that making Infusions (like a strong tea - you allow the herbs to steep a long time) lets the heat and time extract the properties from the herbs and saves your body the trouble. It makes sense to me!

Root herbs tend to do best with time and even boiling to extract the properties. So, in this, it makes sense that turmeric (since the root is used) would benefit from heat and time to extract the "goodies" from the herb.

I tend to buy empty capsules to make turmeric capsules or nettle leaf, or whatever. (I always know what is in them! ) While in many cases, teas may be better, practicality is often a driving factor. I can get a teenager to take a few capsules. Getting them to drink a couple of cups of tea is another matter. And homemade capsules have worked very well for us in so many cases.

I am happy to report that I have finally found a way to ingest turmeric without capsules. (Personally, I hate to swallow capsules.) I mix some turmeric, cinnamon, nutmeg, cloves, pepper and cardamom together and add it to warm almond milk with a little honey. I actually like the taste!

I trust your perseverance in finding a solution to your own pain and good sense of humor along with it will eventually bear fruit for you! Keep us posted!

~Mama to Many~

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 01/07/2017

This Turmeric conversation is fascinating me. I initially commenced taking Turmeric for pain by scattering the powder on my evening meal but after simply ages (weeks and weeks) of doing this I was getting no tangible results. I consciously commence remedies by taking small doses anyway but I was under-doing it obviously. One simply cannot get enough Turmeric that way. Next, we chucked some Turmeric powder into our rice at every meal consisting of rice (my Wife loves potatoes and I prefer rice), so that all our rice dishes and meals became so yellow that I thought all rice was naturally yellow after a while! Still nothing on the pain front....

Then I was told by my erstwhile Japanese friend to boil some water and then simmer the water with a teaspoon of Turmeric and one teaspoon of Ginger in it for ten minutes or so before letting it cool and consuming the filtered concoction with some honey to taste.

A posting on this Site claims that this dilutes the potency of the Turmeric rather than enhancing it. Rather than taking the Turmeric tablets, I shall persist with trying to find a palatable way of getting the benefits of the Turmeric Powder internally if I can. Am I complicating things un-necessarily I wonder? The tablet takers don't worry about the taste then? The boiling and steeping and standing of things interests me anyway.... as an aside! Increases potency or decreases potency? Someone should write the manual on this. I thought the "fillers" might make the tabs more "full" than the actual Turmeric - hence the quest to go "Au natural". More bang for my buck. I'm a bit of a scrooge that way: possibly to my detriment! However, I am taking a Multi-Vitamin, MSM, and Alfalfa tablets, alkalizing and oil pulling with Coconut oil. Also Ted's Borax regime for a few weeks now five days per week. We hope for progress but I have endured this malady for a few years now so, as one of our actresses famously said many years ago, "It won't happen over night but it will happen".

Cheers, Michael

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 01/07/2017

Good Day Tina.

Thanks for your thoughts on the Turmeric Pain Paste: most appreciated!

I have been a bit nervous of the DMSO but if that what it takes to get the "good stuff" deep down into where it will do some good, then I must consider it! It's my observation that, unfortunately, the body does not self-heal as easily or as quickly as one gets older, so it might need the DMSO to encourage that process along possibly-acting as a sort of catalyst? It concerns me that some folks who are unwilling to embark on a self-help journey may be imprisoned by their maladies un-necessarily? Maybe they just don't have the knowledge or the self-discipline to take those necessary steps on the path to a more pain-free world? That observation is partly why I like Earth Clinic so much. Often the visit to the doctor only leads to disappointment, frustration or anger or tick all of the above. I have a very sympathetic doctor who, to his credit, has admitted that they just don't have the answers to some conditions that plague millions of sufferers. "Just keep on taking the tablets". You would think they might be clever enough (humble enough?) to learn some wholesome, healing techniques. Being aware that too much specialized training narrows the mind, Mao used to send his Chinese engineers out into the country-side to actually build a dam with their bare hands! Shock horror! So, maybe not in my lifetime! Our (Kiwi) medical training is supposed to be World Class and no doubt it is: Kiwis are often pretty effective in their chosen fields (we "Punch above our weight"-ha) but the two best doctors I ever had were from the USA. - not sure which State they were from- you have SO MANY of them! There you go-a feather in your collective caps for y'all. Well done over there!

Cheers, Michael

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 01/06/2017

Well that is terrific Mama to Many. I was hoping you would reply. Your asset is knowing BOTH what to do and how to do it and explaining both parts so well. Oh dear that's three parts! However... I had been led to believe by my Japanese friend that the heating things up bit was an important component of the therapy . Much like those "Teas" that require you to "steep" them for a while for maximum efficacy or even some of your brews that require a period of standing / absorbing to work most effectively. We may benefit by allowing the chemistry to strut its stuff for a while prior to ingesting some of these substances possibly? Will keep you posted on progress if I gain any wisdom worth imparting! Thoughts on this? Cheers, and thanks again, Michael

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Tina (Princeton) on 01/06/2017

Hi Michael, I use a similar type of paste for minor aches and pains but would be hard- pressed to give you an exact recipe. It's kind of of how I cook Indian food - a little bit of that, a dash of this, and a pinch of something else! Here's what I do: in a small clean glass bowl put in a quarter to half tea spoon coconut oil, one measuring of turmeric powder from my dash-sized spoon ( I got it from Amazon) a pinch of pepper and 3-4 drops of DSMO. Mix everything and apply to the area after making sure it is clean. Massage it in well and leave for a few hours or at least an hour. It disappears into the skin quickly and only the golden stain remains. I also only use organic coconut oil, turmeric and pepper. Hope this helps!

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 01/06/2017

Dear Michael,

Usually when using turmeric topically as a paste, I just add the amount of oil needed to get it to the consistency I think will be easiest to work with. You only need a little bit of black pepper to go with the turmeric. For a teaspoon of turmeric, less than 1/16 teaspoon of black pepper. Black pepper is called out because the piperine in the black pepper is what supposedly increases the effectiveness of turmeric. (I have used turmeric with and without pepper and am not positive there is a huge difference, but I also respect the advice of herbalist Stephen Buhner, who is one who says to add the pepper.)

Cayenne is a common catalyst for herbs, and may help the turmeric, but it does not have the piperine in it, so the "help" from cayenne may not be quite the same mechanism. I will be interested to hear how the turmeric works for you topically. I use it topically for skin infections and such, but for pain, tend to take it internally. I have found it helps with nearly any condition that ends with "itis." (as in bursitis.) "Itis" means inflammation and turmeric is my "go to" for inflammation of any sort.

~Mama to Many~

Turmeric Pain Paste
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 01/05/2017

Hi there folks! Good New Year so far then? That's the ticket!

SO ....Turmeric powder, Black Pepper and EITHER Grape Seed oil OR Coconut oil and Water mixed together. Then gently heated up in a ceramic bowl till it forms a paste, allow to cool and smear on the annoying, affected part. That was what I was told to do for PAIN a good while ago but what are the amounts please? Was wondering if this one could be good for the Dreaded Bursitis also (now that's Painful)!

Thanks in anticipation for the correct quantities. Also, would one substitute Cayenne Pepper for Black Pepper or does it matter? So many little little ready cash... so much to do!? Thank God for E.C. eh?

Cheers, Michael

Posted by Timh (Ky) on 12/29/2016 2073 posts


To my knowledge, Serrapetase is not a natural pain med. It seems obvious that you have chronic infections in your bones. The Serra temporarily destroys much of the bioplasma that acts as a natural barrier to protect infection. After taking Serra your immune system is allowed to kill infection, but is not enough as the infection is advanced. I would recommend following the Serra with Berberine. Ted's Borax protocol would also help your situation. Magnet Therapy is very effective at removing local infection & inflammation (which is the cause of pain). Following Magnet Therapy, place Salonpas on the affected area (your knee & hip) to further eradicate infection.

Posted by Art (California ) on 12/29/2016 1508 posts

In reply to Emma (Centralia, Illinois), Those sound like great results from taking serrapeptase! Could you share with us what brand you used and how much and how often you took it? Thank you. Art

Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 12/28/2016

Hi Emma. That is very interesting. Would you kindly tell us how much and how often you take these supplements? Thank you. Cheers, Michael

Posted by Emma (Centralia, Illinois) on 12/28/2016 9 posts
5 out of 5 stars

I have had chronic pain from fibromyalgia, and bone-on-bone in left knee for 11 years. With the fibro, it used to hurt just to move or try and get out of bed. Excruciating to try and turn over in bed at night, and could barely walk during waking hours. Couldn't straighten up due to hip pain and all. Well, not anymore. Serrapeptase has literally given me a new lease on life. I also take MSM faithfully. No pain at night anymore. Talk about relief!! Immediate relief with the Serrapeptase, especially. Every bone in my body hurt before taking that. I thank God for it! You won't be sorry if you try these. I've recently added ACV and use either honey or Stevia to tame the taste. Makes it pleasant to taste and still does the job. Hope this helps someone. I'll never be without any of these.