Medication Side Effects


Posted by Laurat (Durham, Nc, United States) on 03/11/2012

I have read the posts here and they have been helpful. Every tendon in my entire body is inflammed, every joint is swollen and casing me pain! The veins in my hands and feet are huge. I have pain from my neck to my toes. I've seen 2 doctors and have a follow up my a physician today.

I stopped taking Cipro on Feb 23 afer taking it for 6-7 days. I had no idea what was making me feel so horrible and this nightmare started with tingling/burning/numbness in my hands and feet and arms, and since I didn't read up on this drug, I was following what was on the bottle and didn't read the info on the printout until I had been having the tingling, numbness. This has progressed into the tendon pain and inflammation, joint swelling, you name it it hurts! Unfortunately I did not reduce my caffeine intake while on Cipro (I didn't know and had been on NSAIDS for a few months before taking Cipro! At first I had a few "pops" in the tops of my hands after the tendons were inflamed, now it seems like everything is popping. I'm scared to death of rupturing a tendon right now!!! Since my tendons everywhere are inflamed and it seems like all of my joints are swollen, it's very hard to not use either my hands, arms, or my feet/legs.

I'm on a multi vitamin, ibuprofen 600mg, magneisum supplements, fish oil, vitamin C supplements, Glucosamine/Chondroitin, alpha-Lipoic Acid 200mg. I've read here that some have benfitted from MSM in powder form and lotion applied directly to the painful area (my whole body). Where can I get MSM powder and the lotion in the US? Can it be ordered?

Right now I'm struggling getting a doctor to take this Floxing thing seriously. I was given a script for Neurontin 100 mg to help with the tingling and numbness and told to take the ibuprofen and wear hand/wrist braces. I'm putting ace bandages on my ankles and legs. This is the worst thing I've ever been thru. I'm feeling worse not better.

Thanks and please someone let me know about the MSM and anything else I can do to get some relief!

Replied by Grateful
(Appreciate Earth Clinic, Usa)

Hope you feel better really fast and heal up quickly!

Found this on the internet so hope it is helpful:

How do you make MSM Lotion?

Just stir in a heaping teaspoon of our bulk MSM powder for every 4 ounces of your favorite skin cream or lotion with a popsicle stick (or a spoon). Then wait an hour or more for the powder to dissolve, and stir again. That's it!

Also, does Cipro still have fluoride in it? It may have depleted your iodine levels which affects different areas of your body.

Wishing you wisdom and wellness!

Replied by Dud
(Up The Creek In, Wv, Usa)

In reply to: 03/11/2012: Laurat from Durham, Nc, ---I just came across a website that sells information about how to detox from quinolonine based anti-biotics, using natural substances.

NOTE- I do not have the problem, and have never used their methods. I do not know if they work. But this may offer some hope to you.

internet search for: < The Levaquin Tendonitis Solution > and click on a link to a website. will be probably the 1st site on the search engine list.


some quotes:

Are you suffering from:
Muscle pain and/or weakness
Ruptured tendon, tendonosis, tendonitis, etc
Neurologic symptoms like headache or memory loss
Depression, anxiety, insomnia
Or any of a vast variety of other symptoms

These are all possible side effects of taking Levaquin, Cipro, or any of the other Quinolone family of antibiotics that the pharmaceutical/medical industry prescribes by the thousands every day.
Are you afraid that you are never going to heal?
Are you afraid that you are going to get MORE injured from the Quinolone poisoning?

Speaking bluntly... Your fears are well founded. People have hurt for YEARS, and their pain has gotten worse down the road.

Replied by Ni
(Emerald, Wa)

You shouldn't be taking ibuprofen. I wouldn't. NO NSAIDS it makes it worse no matter if it's been a while since you've taken the floxes.

Cortisone Shot

Posted by Judy (Denver, Usa) on 04/09/2013

March 19 I went to ER because I was short of breath and felt like I was in a daze and lost strength in legs and could hardly get uo without help. This had gone on for over a week. I had pneumonia and was admitted.

Besides antibiotics, IV's and my regular meds, they gave me cortisone for five days. I wore shoes when I went in and had no swelling of ankles. 2 1/2 days after I got the cortisone my ankles started swelling even though I was on lasix and have been for a long time. Also my belly is swollen. I've gained about 10 lbs. My right ankle is about three times it's normal size and I can't get shoes on either foot. Compression socks only seemed to make it worse. They cut circulation off. A nurse comes twice a week and in insisted I had to wear them. Prior to going to the hospital my legs lost strength and now I have therapy for that so I'm not able to take socks on and off easily. Last night the right leg bothered so much I managed to get that tube sock off ( about 4:00AM) and by 7:AM the swelling in my foot had gone down so much I managed to get a shoe on. Now I have an ace bandage in the ankle and lower leg. My doc wants me to take 2 lasix for a week and then check my kidney function to be sure it's not harming my kidneys. I also have decreased kidney function.

Anybody know how to get the effects of cortisone out of the system without resorting to lots of vitamins because the kidneys can't handle it?

Replied by Trudyg
(Waynesboro, Va)

I'd try magnesium--like epsom salts bath or magnesium oil. It is said to detox.

Cortisone Shot
Posted by D.s. (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/27/2012

I received an cortisone steroid shot to my right jaw last January. I IMMEDIATELY got an extreme reaction. My face turned sheet-white, I had extreme problems breathing, the room was spinning and I became extremely nauseous. I had to be taken to the hospital by ambulance. I then had to stay in the hospital for 6 days. Since then the right side of my face AND EYE will suddenly swell up and get itchy. My throat closes up and I have to carry liquid Benadryl with me at all times! The problem is getting even worse and now the right side of my throat swells up so much, I have trouble swallowing. I even feel something rubbing against the right side of my throat and I start gagging. Of course the doctor who gave me the shot wouldn't even get on the phone with me. He had his secretary tell me that the shot he gave me had nothing to do with it. This has been nearly 10 months ago and I'm getting worse and worse! Could someone PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME??? Thank you very much. D.S.

Replied by Barbara
(Miami, Az)

I had a shot of cortisone when I was 16, I'm 61 now!!! And beginning almost immediately, and continuing now was an allergic reaction to soap products, perfumes, dyes and chemicals, even cleaning supplies... Sometimes, after years of using some product, I would suddenly have this reaction.... Recently, I discovered that I am also senstive to the inactive ingredients in generic medications... (I have had health issues going back maybe 10-14 years, and more recently a bunch of weird symptoms that confused the heck out of my DR, that are now gone since I dropped all my generic meds (I actually did all the research and adjustments without doctor approval... However, when I saw her and reported what had happened and how I discovered all, and that I actually pinpointed the SPECIFIC ones that were the problem... And what suppliments a derm dr had suggested to help with hte skin issues that had presented)... My health prof, who was trying to figure it all out, actually wanted me to quit my multi and other suppliments, refused to do a vitamin-mineral profile saying I was eating ok (I am obese, she never asked what I am eating).. And said I was most likely OD'ing on my suppliments.... (by the way, since this adjustment in meds type, I am dropping lbs hand over foot)

check into other things besides just getting something to eliminate the symptoms... That is what happened to me... Whenever I got a new symptom, my dr would give me another GENERIC MED for it... which led to an awful, miserable time....



Posted by John (Wc, Ca, Us) on 07/11/2012

I was recently listening to a health talk radio show where the guest speaker was talking about the drug Coumadin and one of its side effects, being easily bruised. He was in the middle of his sentence saying that a certain vitamin could be taken which could help alleviate this sensitivity and I missed the answer. Might someone have the answer and possibly a suggestion for an alternative to Coumadin? Thanks

Replied by G
(Anywhere, Us)

First: type "Coumadin" into your internet search. One find, Wikipedia, states that this is rat poison. Next, type in "natural blood thinners". You will find things such as vitamin E, garlic, cayenne...

Coumadin, Wayfarin

Posted by Sid (Pittsburgh, Pa.) on 07/28/2012

I was on Protonix and Plavix because I have 2 stents. But since I had to have a Pacemaker I must be on wayfarin/coumadin all the time, and with the Protonix I'm super tired all the time. Is there a natural remedy for my jittery-upset stomach that will work well with the wayfarin/coumadin?

Replied by G
(Anon, Us)

Your question should say.... What is something naturally one can take instead of warfarin (AKA rat poison/wikipedia)? Also, what naturally to take instead of a prescribed PPI? One beneficial place to start your research (after EarthClinic), for both warfarin and PPI's, is People's Pharmacy, which also has reader feedback at the bottom of the page after each of their articles. A must read for everyone is Dick Quinn's "Left for Dead". It is an excellent informative book explaining his experiences with the medical world after a heart attack, and his natural remedy findings that kept him alive after a botched surgery.

Replied by Lisa
(Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa)

Hi Sid, I am highly suspicious when doctors tell people that they have to be on some medication all the time and for their whole life. I had a friend who kept having acid reflux and was very overweight. She told me she went to the Dr. and they told her she needed to take a medication for GERD for the rest of her life. I said that wasn't true, there were plenty of strategies to rid it and not have to be on medication. When she asked what, I told her. Her response was, "I think I'll just use the medication." In her mind, what I was telling her was too much work. And yes, restoring our health can take work but it allows our body to find its own balance and restore our immune system.

Perhaps you can find the natural remedies to help your body find its most optimum. The mere fact that the meds are causing you to be super tired all the time and give you a jittery stomach should be an indication of the damage they're doing. Try exploring ways to help your body restore all its systems and bring it back to optimum health in spite of the stents. Here's to your health, Lisa

Diabetes and High Blood Pressure Meds

Posted by Babette (Pasig City, Philippines) on 10/09/2013

Pls. Help me. Doctors prescribed me many meds for my diabetes, BP, heart, & blood thinning. When I take these meds I experience chest pains, tightening of chest, difficulty breathing, headache and weakness. If I omit some, I feel a little better and my BP remains normal at 120/80. What must I do. I had this DM since 2000 after my 3rd and last conception. I've been to many doctors hoping to find one who prescribes meds with lesser side effects and not threatening as well.

Replied by Mama To Many
(Tennessee, Usa)

Dear Babette,

It sounds like you are hoping to find safe and natural remedies for your health conditions so you won't need to take the prescription medications that are making you feel worse? Are you actually taking any medication right now?

There are some things you can try that may help several of your problems. Raw Unpastuerized Apple Cider Vinegar is used to help diabetes and lower blood pressure. Cayenne Pepper is a natural blood thinner and nutritious for your heart. Those are the two things I would consider starting with. But since you have many things going on, you don't want to try a lot at once; you will want to watch your symptoms and see how things are working. You could try 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar in a glass of water twice a day. See how that does. The next week, increase it to 2 teaspoons in a glass of water each day. You can move up to 3 teaspoons in a glass of water twice a day.

Cayenne Pepper - Start with 1/4 teaspoon in a few ounces of water or juice twice a day. Move up to 1/2 teaspoon twice a day. But you might want to wait until you are settled on the vinegar before trying this, so you can see what is helping you.

Meanwhile, keep reading what others are doing to improve their diabetes, blood pressure, etc on Earth Clinic. Sometimes you just have to "be your own doctor. " But as you study and learn and make changes here and there, hopefully you will begin to feel better.

Please keep us posted on your progress!

~Mama to Many~

Dilatin and Osteoporosis

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 02/12/2016

HI U Timh, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , I've told bits and pieces of my health saga that has evolved over the years. In this ditty I'll try to put it together so folks can learn from mistakes made by me and my doctors. All this story is in 20- 20 hind sight.

Here goes, , , , , , , , about 10 years ago I learned that my pelvic area was consumed with osteoporosis and I had no clue as to why. I'd always drank lots of milk and have eaten well. After much research I learned that the drug Dilatin was the culprit. I had taken it for about 15 years. It was to avoid blackouts. It helped that problem but as you know there is the devil to pay later on with any drug. Also, in the late 80's, my family doctor put me on a diuretic to lower my blood pressure. That too will remove your minerals and then your body has to pull calcium from your bones to keep your blood pH right. Stupid doctor, and dumb ass me.

For osteoporosis, my next family doctor put me on a drug, which after more research, I learned that it would cause my jawbone to disappear. Soon that was revealed and I stopped it. I then just took bone building supplements, but I was long in tooth and it takes you seven years to rebuild your bones.

Then two years ago I fell and crushed my T 12 vertebra. Flubbed that situation by going to a chiropractor and requesting an X -ray. He took the film too low to catch the problem and I allowed him to manipulate my spine for a week before I went to get an MRI. Then it was too late to address the problem properly. It just healed with a brace. That resulted in about 6 months of back pain, but I got better over time. Then about 6 months ago pain returned but in a different place. After months and months of ineptness by my spine folks, I finally learned this week that my T 12 Vertebrae has now collapsed and has drawn my L 2 and L3 way out of line such that it is now impinging on my sciatic nerve. I did not know this would happen, but it seems that my spine doctor should have known. In hind sight this is another SHEET + 2 = 8. A no brainer.

What I am so thankful for is that my spine doctor passed me on to his physician assistant. He spent an hour and a half going over my situation and the path we will go down to allow me to live with my problem. It will be work because I must build up my stomach and back muscles so that they can hold my back in place. I am now on pain drugs for the first time in my life. Hard to believe but he gave me his essential oil formula that he uses for pain. Told him that the bugger bears were going to get his medical license.

Pain has transformed my personality. A few years ago I was old, but still young at heart. Now I just old physically and mentally. This not a pity party. I just want to tell my story in hopes others can avoid my trail. You have told bits and pieces of your saga and I know my tale is a walk in the park compared to yours.

Your Tenn buddy ======ORH=====

Replied by Timh
2075 posts

-ORH- One thing that bothers me is the advise "to allow me to live with my problem". This is a statement of surrender rather than "do my best to heal the problem". This is why so many folks come to alternative www's like E.C. because they are usually faced living with the consequences, as is exampled in your case.

For any progress to be made in your situation, you must, like in my case, be very objective. A few yrs ago proly not long after I came on board here, I knew without a doubt that I absolutely must adopt a method of "very smart & very aggressive"; no room for mistakes. Your hindsight review is a pretty clear picture of the problem, now you must apply a very exact solution.

It is an error in thinking that if one ever gets burned as in the case of certain dr's, to never trust them again. In this case it seems imperative to get those vertebrae back into alignment as much as possible, may take different dr's or chiro's but make great efforts to make some forward progress. I have run across an holistic osteopath some time back and think I mention him here once with a link. He has experience in several areas particularly sports medicine where it is very much about healing & repair, not living with the consequences. He has developed several effective nutritionals, including hormonal regimens and products that are likely some of the best of today. Give me a few days to find his contact and I will post it back to you.

Meanwhile, do reconsider the baths I mentioned as oral administration of nutrition is limited. My recent use of LET nutrition and mineral baths have proven this fact. Case in point, because of my extreme acidosis, it has been a major battle keeping radiation out of my bones, to this end I quit diary as it has small amounts of radioactive strontium. So, in addition to supplementing calcium, I started taking a supplement of Strontium, and went thru 2 bottles. OK, suspecting insufficient delivery, I purchased some Calcium as well as Strontium bulk powder for baths. After my first bath with Strontium I had some rather severe herx reaction as the radioactive stuff went out of my body.

For rebuilding the bones in particular, as I am sure you know, it is important to include all these minerals in your program: Calcium & Phosphorus, Magnesium, Strontium, Boron, Manganese, Silica. Vit-C helps with the collagen matrix. Lots of people are having good results with Hyuralonic Acid nowadays. Of course keeping inflammation down with Magnets and Turmeric will help much.

As for rebuilding muscle, bone, etc. You must adopt an aggressive protocol as the aging factor is against you. The combination of Growth Hormone stimulators and Testosterone stimulators is a must. For Testosterone there are a number of good herbals used widely by especially athletes and bodybulders as well as DHEA and the amino acid D-Aspartic Acid. For growth hormone boosting I take Raw Bovine Pituitary substance and the amino GABA with good results, and 50mg DHEA for Test.

To further activate the regeneration of new bone tissue, you will need to take Ostivone. A plant based androgenic substance discovered and used by the Soviets is 5 Methoxyflavone. Quality protein is also important. Red meat and Whey protein come to mind. A supplement of Arginine/Ornitine/Lysine is a big favorite for starters as it produces an adrogenic effect and boost HGH.

With a smart & aggressive program briefly mentioned above, I see lots of room for improvement, likely significant improvement.

There are more advanced healing modalities like stem cell and fetal cell therapies. Research Mesenchyme Therapy. I am a little uncomfortable with aborted animal tissue, but if the recipient lives a life worthy of the sacrifice it may be justified, and in comparison to the thousands of animals we consume as food, my goodness the slaughterhouse is booming. Anyway you take injections of the Mesenchyme and healing potential increases, and particularly along with HGH.

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)

ORH, your "salvation" from "old at heart" is right there in your post! The "hard work" you will be having to do for your muscles, will slowly (or quickly) pick up your spirits, and you'll be yo' barkin' ol' self in no time!!! Keep at it!

Replied by Hisjewel
(America, New York)

Hi Timh, ORH and the Whole Earth Clinic Family

"Live onnnnn, anyway---." Among the body of baptized believers in Jesus that I sup with, the term, "Live with it" simply means : "Stay as active as possible." To live with the problem, is to don't let it stop you from the good you can do. We often say, There are those who live for decades with what others die with".

The key is, "Don't worry, and don't live in fear." You are not given more time to fear. Chase it away with happy music, good thoughts, and good doings, think on these things. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and of a sound mind.

So we thank God for this day, this is the day the Lord has made. We take care of ourselves and stay healthy, so we can help others. We live, until we live forever!

Keep on Sharing, That's love.


Replied by Carolyn


I read and enjoy all your postings, and it saddens me to hear about your latest struggle. Since I'm a redneck from East Texas, I especially like your comments about your gardens and other outdoor endeavors. I would like to share with you something that has helped me and continues to do so. I have a pinched sciatic nerve in my back, and it was so painful that I could not walk, due to the stabbing pain in my knee. I read somewhere that in order to release that nerve, you can hang from a bar, like the ones used to do chin-ups from. Just let your body weight do the pulling on your spine. It only takes a minute and when you are finished "hanging, " the pain goes away within a few minutes. You could probably use one of those inversion tables to hang upside down, too. I can't use that, however, as I have glaucoma. Anyway, I hope for the best for you in your quest for a pain and illness free life. Don't give up!


Posted by Linda (Columbus, Georgia ) on 10/26/2020

I am going thru withdrawal symptoms from taking Effexor. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Replied by Art
1451 posts

Hi Linda,

You may find the following article useful:


Replied by Charity
(Faithville, Us)

A long time ago, I used that for one year and it is a very weird drug. I dosed down and dosed down until it was half a pill every third day or so and still I had some issues getting off it. I would also go to healing sites for prayer covering while you go through that year of no medication. I go to John Mellor and Mark Hemans for their healing prayers and you can put in prayer requests. Keep a journal about diet, fresh air, giving, and emotions so you can track with your healing. Keep positive choices, music, friends, media, books, and keep a thankfulness journal that you daily add something new that you can be thankful for. Each day say them outloud. Also helping someone else by praying, smiling, a kind word, or what ever will benefit you. Make kids stuff for homeless shelter or buy hat or gloves at dollar store to give to shelter. This will all make you feel less vulnerable and weak. Let the weak SAY I AM STRONG. As you give you receive.

GABA works like valium and I take it most days. magnesium calms, D-3 k-2 are hormone, B vitamins coat nerves. Alpha lipoic acid for nerve pain in body. Breathing right can help too, Check out youtube counsellors for overcoming mental/emotional roadblocks . Join grief share online for daily emails about grieving. You were on the drug for some reason. Walks, fresh air, smiling. Tell yourself you are loved and lovely and people enjoy your company and you make wise choices and are good at taking care of your life. It will all help. Stay on task . Blessings, Charity

Replied by Anon


Look into Wim Hof breathing method. I hope it helps you.


Posted by Lacey (Sacramento, Ca) on 11/28/2011

Hi there,

I was perscribed Flagyl (Metronidazole) on Thursday. I understand how serious it is to not drink alcohol with this medication and asked my Dr., with it being my birthday on Friday, if I'd be able to drink then. She said finish on Thursday and I will be fine Friday. Every bit of research I do says I should wait 3 days to cleanse it out of my system. I'm confused whether that 3 days is just DR. precautionary or what. So here's where you guys come in. I'm much more into holistic approaches anyway, and this medication has already been bothering me a bit. I have been taking probiotics like crazy, and am wondering if there is a way to flush it out of my system faster, or even end it one day early. So I guess my questions are:

Is Dandelion Root tea, or anything of the like an option for me?

How serious is the "super bug" scare if stopping an antibiotic early, with my probiotic combo?

Thanks in advance!


Posted by Jasmine (Vero Beach, Fl) on 10/30/2014

Hello all, I am a 41 year old female 140 lbs and had an mri 2 days ago with contrast for a fibroid surgery I will undergo in december.

I have had 2 other mri's with contrast within this same year, which always gives me a brief period of nausea then subsides within seconds. This last mri, as soon as I received the contrast through my vein, as they put me in the machine I broke out in welts and started itching all over. They gave me benadryl which resolved the welts. Breathing, everything else fine.

Ever since, I've have slight but noticeable numbness and tingling in my hands, nausea, run down like when you're just starting a flu or cold, fatigued and periods of feeling cold and hot, like feverish but no fever, chest pain. They did do labs beforehand and my kidney levels were normal.

Can anyone explain what is going on? I found out after the fact that gadolinium has not been fully researched for side effects, and I pretty much get mri with contrast every year for my breasts. I recently resolved my fibromyalgia symptoms from reading your wonderful remedies and Dr Teds and Bill by alkalizing with the lime/baking soda (for a month now), switching to purified water(1 month ago as well) and taking several supplements suggested here for the fatigue from the fibromyalgia including (the following I've been taking since june of this yr) b-complex, 1000mg vit c(I took an extra 1000mg morning of mri to prevent catching something from the other patients at the imaging center), magnesium, selenium, multi with iron(due to past anemia from fibroid), calcium. I also take (for gyno problems) royal jelly and barleans women's flax oil/lignans and evening primrose oil combo. I eat mostly vegetables and wholesome food. I just mentioned all this in case maybe the mri contrast is interacting with one of these?

My medical history/background: I started recently with fibro symptoms last year, november triggered by a repetitive motion injury (tennis elbow) which I am still going to therapy for. I resolved all fibro symptoms (thanks to God and you all!! ) I have fibroid, fibercystic breasts, polycystic ovarian syndrome. Glaucoma. history of intestinal polyps, stomach polyp, IBS, asthma.

I am hoping someone out there can help me get back to normal; I was doing so good and now I just feel so run down and not myself. I wish the numbness in my hands would go away, the fatigue and the nausea. I could barely eat 3 bites last night for dinner. Im scared of going to the ER for fear of more radiation/tests. Thank you so much in advance.


Replied by Bee
(New York, US)

Hello All;

I have a friend who does not believe in any alternative healing or supplements. he keeps saying that if one doesn't take their pharma drugs for whatever reason they will die.. For months now I have been weaning off a drug and taking natural supplements.. He is very adamant and says I am stupid to be doing this.. I try and explain my position and tell him the drugs never really worked for me. he doesn't believe anything.. Not that I want to convince him but he makes me at times doubt the natural supplements and myself.. I know I should not even bother to speak about these things to him but they come up here and there.. Does anyone think I should print out info. from the internet and have him read it..?? You know like statistics and proof or testimonials or am I wasting my time??

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn)

HI U JASMINE, , , , , , , , , , , , A few years ago I decided that I was smarter than my Anti-Aging Integrative doctor so I began my self medication. It has not worked out for me. I have gone from old man in pretty good shape to an old man that is in deep dodo. I am now back with my Integrative doctor. Like I said earlier, she was spooked and spooked me. She can run tests that I have no clue about.

I was good in the paper industry because I knew what tests to run. Hell, with my body, I have no clue. I don't know, but I think you may be in my predicament . You might want to find a good Integrative doctor and listen. I say this because your story is my story. My situation is bigger than me and some yahoo on EC will not get me well. They may help as our bright boys always do. You need some one to counsel you full time and that is hard to find.

OUT OF SPIT =====ORH==========

Replied by Gertie
(Al, US)

Morning, Ole RH. I've tried so many of the remedies posted here--for ibsd and insomnia, mainly, and none of them worked. I gave each a good, solid try (month or more). I guess you have to know yourself and do what works for you. The EC contributors are very helpful folks, but kinda take offense if it doesn't work for you and you say it.

Replied by Timh
2075 posts

Jasmine: Your case appears to be one of classic toxicity issues. You are doing some very good dietary intervention but seems some detoxification remedies are needed. Here is E.C. detox page --- to get you started. Remember that any xenobiotic or heavy metal removal remedy needs to also be accompanied w/ an herbal parasite cleanse.

Feel free to post any questions and hope this info will make a difference for you.

Replied by Jasmine
(Vero Beach, Fl)

Thank you TimH for your help. I will research that link that you attached and get started on it.

Blessings, Jasmine

Replied by Timh
2075 posts

Glad to hear back from you as many folks simply disappear off the board leaving no data or fallow-up.

To begin, you may want to consider doing a hair analysis for heavy metal toxicity from any number of online labs or ND physicians. The most common and problematic h.m.'s are Fluoride, Mercury, and Arsenic. The body acts like a sponge attracting all sorts of metals and chemicals in our environment, food, and water. Regular detoxing is becoming more crucial for healthy living. The human detox & immune system is often overwhelmed by middle age and everything begins to break down. Good news is there are many detox remedies all of which are somewhat effective.

So do check back on your status so to be sure your detox pathway is working.

Replied by Jasmine
(Vero Beach, Fl)

Hi TimH, just wanted to let you know I am feeling much better, thank you. I took 3000 mg vit c that night and every night thereafter for 3 days, and by that monday I felt 100% better. I started also the borax 1/8 tsp with liter of water 3 days on 4 days off. I am still researching per your guidance, of a lab for a hair analysis and go from there. I will keep you updated.

Replied by Bill
(San Fernando, Philippines)

Hi Jasmine...I think what stands out strongly from the symptoms you describe is that you seem to be quite severely iodine deficient(low thyroid) in your body. The fibrocystic breast disease, fibroids, glaucoma, the stomach polyps etc all point(as symptoms) to iodine deficiency in the body. Other symptoms of iodine deficiency are brain fog, unclear thinking, fatigue, depression etc. See this link.

I am a little suspicious about the IBS and asthma, but iodine should help with that as well. Timh's advice will also go a long way helping you here. At higher dose, iodine also acts as a natural anti-histamine and as a lung protective because iodine has a tendency to collect in the lungs which should also particularly help against your asthma problem. Supplementing Lugol's Iodine will also help to remove cadmium, aluminum, mercury, lead, arsenic, bromine and fluorine from your body as well.

The full Iodine Protocol that you need to take is shown here:

The Iodine Protocol

I would perhaps also advise that you find an intelligent iodine-literate doctor to help monitor your problems properly. See this list for an iodine-literate doctor in your area:

Iodine Literate Doctors in the USA

If you can do it -- I would strongly advise you to go and see Dr Jeffrey Dach MD who is both a knowledgeable iodine-literate and thyroid-literate doctor who works in Florida near where you live. Here is his address:

Jeffrey Dach MD
7450 Griffin Rd
Suite 180/190
Davie, FL 33314

Phone: 954-792-4663


Replied by Timh
2075 posts

It is rewarding to see your improvement and thank you for updating as it is like a testimony for others who suffer the same condition.

Detoxification can be complex and then there is the severity factor to be considered. Thanks to Bill for stepping in and posting information that I completely omitted (like I said it's complex).

Replied by Jasmine
(Vero Beach, Fl)

Thank you so much Bill and Timh, for all your help, you are angels! After several hours of reading further those links about detoxing, iodine deficiency and the video, I am just shocked and my heart stopped that iodine deficiency can link all my medical problems together. I have read posts in the past about iodine needed for patients with fibromyalgia, but I only came as far as replacing my uniodized sea salt with iodized salt for my food, and have not purchased iodine supplement. But this weekend, I will purchase lugols iodine to take orally with water, as well as epsom salts for detoxing in bath 3 times a week as I read in detoxing link Timh posted. Very excited, Bill, to have this iodine-intelligent doctor in Davie FL. Since I have all my paid time off going towards my fibroid surgery in december, I will make plans to see him in january and this will give me time to save up money.

I only have few more questions -

1. Is lugols iodine safe to take every day indefinitely along with my other supplements and alkalizing regimen?

2.With regards to Timh's suggestion to do a parasite cleanse during detoxing, what is the reason for that? I have never done that before and scared of what I'll encounter, haha!

I will keep you updated in hopes that my situation will help others. Any further suggestions I welcome:) Blessings

Replied by Bill
(San Fernando, Philippines)

Hi Jasmine...In answer to your question:

Is lugols iodine safe to take every day indefinitely along with my other supplements and alkalizing regimen.

I have been taking Lugol's Iodine regularly(non-stop) every day at 8 drops a day(50 mg/day) for over 8 years with no problems at all. I also alkalize and take other supplements on a daily basis with no problems. Just make sure that you take lugols iodine with water. I always take the iodine just on its own away from meals for max absorption into the blood. But you can also take it just before meals if you prefer.

I must also add that women usually need much larger amounts of daily supplemented iodine than men because of the vastly superior plumbing of their breasts and uterus -- so, for women, both these regions will therefore have a much higher overall demand for supplemented iodine than men.

Also, as Timh has said, if you have had low thyroid for a lengthy period of time this will act to lower the immune system bar resulting in other possible problems due to parasites and other pathogens infiltrating the intestines and body. Therefore I think his good advice would definitely help you there. I have often said that clearing out and disinfecting the intestines once in a while is a particularly kind habit to your body, since many autoimmune diseases actually originate and are able to easily entrench and hide in this region. I regard intestinal clearance as simply taking out the trash from the body.

Replied by Timh
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Jasmine. I wanted to update you on augmenting your detox bath by taking 2 caps of Cilantro herb 30 min prior and "Red Clover Combination" herb 15 min prior. You can also use this protocol prior to Oil Pulling. 30 min into the bath take 1000mg Vit-C for maximum detox effect. Fallowing the bath it would be best to take an herbal parasite formula plus Oil of Oregano.

As for the Iodine, Lugols at recommended doses is very much indicated as a treatment remedy whereas Iodized Sea Salt and Kelp tablets would be sufficient for prevention of disease. I personally add a few drops liquid Iodine to 1 gal drinking water at room temp. Coconut Oil is also a good defense remedy. VCO will further improve the death of pathogens as well as improving thyroid function much in the same fashion as Iodine so they would work very good together for maximum effect.

Replied by Jasmine
(Vero Beach, Fl)

Response to Bill re: iodine safety and parasite cleansing

Thank you for explaining about iodine dosage and the reason for parasite cleansing, it makes sense to me now. I purchased the iodine/potassium iodide with distilled water over the weekend and started out with 3 drops in a glass of water on empty stomach and will slowly increase. I take heed to your recommendation of higher dosage than yours. Again thanks so much for your help.

Replied by Jasmine
(Vero Beach, Fl)

Hi Timh, thanks so very much for the detox advice and iodine recommendation. For the detox augmentation, are the cilantro and red clover in liquid form, and are they taken orally?

For VCO, is that taken orally as well?

Many thanks and blessings to you, and hope you are well.

Replied by Timh
2075 posts

Liquid or powdered caps forms will both work taken orally to "activate" the detox prior to bath which (eliminates.) Yes, take the VCO orally.

Replied by Jasmine
(Vero Beach, Fl)

Timh, thank you very much!

Replied by Timh
2075 posts

J: You are welcome, and does this mean you are improving? In many instances, especially when a bad condition lingers long it is very difficult to correct so it's a pleasure to see positive reports so one can get on with their life.

Ideally you would want to do the hair mineral analysis first, then detox, then maybe repeat the analysis. But you may want to get on w/ your cleanse so it may not really matter on the proof. In our current environment and as one ages, detoxification and cleanses are quite necessary and should be done at least once annually.

Hope to hear good news back from you.

Replied by Carla

Hi Jasmine. I hope your side effects are gone? I had an MRI with contrast (first one ever) a week ago and haven't felt the same since. Started with a pain in my eye 2 days after and with freezing feeling in my hands and feet, I get shivers and haven't been able to sleep well bc it feels like my heart rate is elevated. I started researching Gadolinium and it can have horrible side effects the worst being NSF which can be fatal. They say the side effects are rare but only of concern in a person with renal failure/kidney issues but I've found that it can still affect those with perectly normal kidney function. How are you feeling now?


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Posted by Jannette (Choctaw, OK) on 10/04/2021 4 posts
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I am currently on hydrocortisone 10mg and having a vaginal itch. Could the prescription be causing this?

Replied by Art
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Regular use of oral steroids can make it easier for certain fungus to grow. This is why some topical steroids incorporate antifungals such as Clotrimazole.

Fungus infections can be quite itchy. You should let your doctor know so he/she can adjust your meds appropriately if fungus of any type is the cause of the itching. Another indication of fungus is an unusual odor, but this is not always present or easily detected.

Steroids can decrease redness and itching, but they do nothing to kill fungus.

Oral antifungals can be quite hard on the body including the heart liver and kidneys. There are potent natural antifungals that are not so harsh on the body and organs such as grapefruit seed extract which you can also discuss with your doctor as an option to try first if it is determined that there is fungus present.

Please update us on your findings!



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Posted by Debbie (Geneva, Il, Usa) on 06/01/2012
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HELP! 2 months ago I had a severe case of cellulitis in my lower left leg. MD put me on 500mg of Levaquin for 2 months now. It has gotten to the point where I can no longer stand up without assistance. Switched MD's. Ordered off the levaquin. Today is better but pain in knees, forearms and shoulders still present. I started Oil Pulling a week ago, along with ACV in water. Is there anything else I can be doing to flush this nasty drug and its side effects out of my system? I have to add that the fear that was instilled in me of the possiblity of losing my leg kept me from stopping this drug. Thank you in advance for any advice you can give me.

Replied by Lisa
(Jax, Fl)

I took levaquin for a couple of weeks, 4 months apart and had tendonitis in my arm and hip inflammation. I ended up getting physical therapy at the hospital for the pain. It helped tremendously. I used MSM mostly, the cream and the pills. But I don't think I did enough in general. The issue with levaquin is the effect on the joints and the inflammation. I would look on the site and see what is good for that. Sorry I am not much more help, but just wanted you to know others have experienced this also.

Replied by Tina
(Houston, USA)

I was on Leviquin for a while and it nearly runied my health.

I have been eating plenty of probiotic rich foods several times daily (even a tablespoon at a time is fine) of homemade sauerkraut, kefir, kombucha, kimchi and lacto-fermented veggies. I also juice daily AM a green veggie juice to increase the enzymes in my body. Juice contains celery cucumber, ginger, parsley and juice of 1 lemon.

I can say I am 95% back to normal now.

You can fine more info on feremented foods and hot to make them cheaply at home at this link

If you buy any of these items in a grocery store, get them from the refrigerated section which will allow the probiotic strands to stay alive, otherwise it is useless in terms of getting well.

Let me know if you have any specific questions, and good luck :)

Replied by Eileen
(Sumter, SC)

Hope someone can help me with this.

I had a UTI for 5 weeks. I had tried everything natural and was in excruciating pain from right kidney down to my bladder. January 30 I went to the dr and was given Levaquin, 1 daily x 10 days. On day 5 my left shoulder and arm hurt down thru my wrist and hands. I stopped taking it on day 7. Now I am in constant pain in both arms, wrists and hands. My feet ache and I have chronic pain in the muscles of my legs particularly the calves. I try not to take any meds but the pain is getting unbearable. It is hard to pick up a fork at times. Today my toes have begun to hurt. Is there anything I can do to rid myself of the side effects of this horrible drug? I have been taking hyaluronic acid and have started on MSM chronditin. I do have issues fairly often with my right kidney and have to use cranberry supplement and take lemon juice with olive oil and uva ursi about once a week. Hope to hear some good advice soon


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Posted by GertJr (Madison) on 06/01/2022
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My thyroid numbers were off (have a serious family history) and was put on levothyroxine (50 mg/day). Since about a week after starting the levo, I just seem to have no motivation. I look around and see things that need doing and just sit there and don't do them. I am alone, so it's all up to me to get things done. Emptying the litterbox, washing up after meals, etc, is being left longer than they should be, much longer than I would have before. My friend says I need an antidepressant, which I am open to but wonder if I wouldn't be wiser to stop the levothyroxin. I eat clean, grow most of my own vegetables and have plenty of strawberries, blueberries and cherries coming in right now. I also grow my own chickens, cage free/free range, so my diet is pretty good. I lean toward keto, low carb/higher protein and moderate fat. No added sugars, I use stevia or xylitol.

Any thoughts?

Replied by Mama to Many

Dear Gertjr,

I took Synthroid for 3 months. I felt awful. Just curled up on the couch getting nothing done.

I quit taking it and felt better than when on it. Unfortunately, my thyroid symptoms got worse and intolerable.

I have been on Armour for quite a while. It definitely works better for me. I feel better now at 55 than I did at 45 for sure. Even though scans show my thyroid looks much better (nodules healed) I still have a return of thyroid issues if I don't take my Armour.

Everyone is different. This is just my little story. I know you are a researcher and take care of yourself. I trust you will figure out what makes you feel best!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by RB
(Somewhere in Europe)


Family history is a risk factor. However, FYI, 1) Sometimes you inherit it, sometimes you don't... please do not assume you inherited it. 2) Levothyroxine Sodium (Synthroid) is not a good drug, as it is a synthetic one that supplies only only ONE the much needed 4 hormones that the body needs. 3) There are lots of people who feel tired and miserable when they're taking this drug. 4) In the old days you had a choice; however, as of 2022, this is THE drug that just about every MD pushes for the treatment of hypothyroidism. However, 5) On the positive side, maybe you're not even hypothyroid; because, for an MD, it's easy to make a mistake, because the usual TSH hormone level test is not a good enough test for hypothyroidism. 6) Also on the positive side, cheer up, it can't be that bad; currently you're on an extremely low dose that should make little or no difference in the way you're feeling. 7) Also on the positive side, if you keep finding that (in the future) you really need some serious thyroid med, then you can always ask for a better natural thyroid product such as Armour Thyroid. I hope this will help you!


Posted by Leah (Oklahoma, US) on 02/01/2015

I've been on Lexapro 10mg for 5 years. I am 13 weeks pregnant and I'm trying to get off of this medication due to possible birth defects. I've tried in the past to taper off but I became very dizzy, nauseated, irritable and depressed. Do you know of any remedies that I can use to help me?

Replied by Mama To Many

Dear Leah,

If it were me, I would try activated charcoal powder. You can buy powder and mix it with water and take a teaspoon a couple of times a day. Do not take it near the time of other supplements or medications.

I would also try Red Raspberry Leaf Tea. You can often find a pregnancy tea that has plenty of Red Raspberry Leaf in it. Often it will also have nettle leaf in it, which is great too. These herbs are good for pregnancy and have nutrients which will hopefully help you to feel well. You can drink 2-4 cups a day of this.

Daily exercise and sunshine are excellent to help emotional and physical well being. A walk outside each day will accomplish both.

I would also consider epsom salt baths. 1 cup epsom salt in a warm (not hot) bath for 20 minutes a few times a week or even more often.

I hope you have a wonderful and healthy pregnancy!

~Mama to Many~

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Posted by Mare (California) on 03/16/2015
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My husband had a lung transplant in 2012. The medications are making him depressed and he is losing weight, can't sleep, no desire or motivation for anything. He has been a marine and 30 years of of law enforcement and I need to help him.

These are the medications he takes for lung transplant retention:


I will appreciate it if someone can provide remedies or natural medications. Thank you.

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