Natural Remedies for Lyme Disease

A cure of 7 days or more of pure gum turpentine will kill any parasite/virus/bacteria thus lyme disease, and stop taking vaccine and tap water that is the source of many parasite/virus/bacteria.

Not true. Antibiotics will not always "cure" it anyway. Good for you if big pharma did you a solid...

OhNo - please say sure better now & no longer pray4death - I'm so v sorry this has been so hard on you.

I would also like to know. Thx

Denise,

I just removed two ticks after visiting a farm, so was looking through my info about Lyme's disease, just in case. I had made notes about the time I got Lyme's disease about 10 years ago (bulls-eye rash, got it on Martha's Vineyard). I ordered a book from Amazon and used the protocol. It worked. I did also have two IV vitamin c treatments. It's called the Salt/C protocol.

Hi Bret - I have recently been bitten by a tick. The site is now red and a bit swollen - itches a bit, too. No Bulls Eye yet, but might still appear later.

I like to try ionized copper but have a hard time finding a supplier.

Can you help, please??

Thank you for your kind consideration.

Marianne.

Hello,

I was wondering how you are doing with the Lyme etc. I just found your post from several years ago. Trying to save my daughter from this hell.

Also trying to find the salt C protocol.. Off to look more.

Hello. I am hoping to find out how long to use Ted's Lyme disease remedy. Thank you for any help! The remedy he posted is below:

I constantly update my remedies whenever I receive some donor help to get the supplies to do the tests. Recently I was able to obtain bloodroot and hence the updated lyme disease is as follows:

1. Bloodroot tincture (40% bloodroot 60% ethanol alcohol) is taken at least at starting dose of 3 drops x 4 or x 6 dissolved n a glass of water. If bloodroot is taken, vitamin B complex (B50) is needed as is vitamin C sodium ascorbate 1000 mg. to help healing of tissues as bloodroot kills the invading organism.

2. Baking soda 1/2 teaspoon in 1/2 glass of water, on empty stomach taken twice a day.

3. Borax is used, not boric acid at 1/8 teaspoon in 1 liter of water is milder then boric acid which maybe too strong. For men's dose maybe 1/4 teaspoon dissolved n 1 liter of drinking water. Most rashes are reduced from baking soda with gradual improvement with the borax. A boric acid is a stronger boron, and I prefer borax as it is more alkaline then boric acid and has less boron content.

Can I ask what dosage of CS you took for lyme and for how long?

Hi Denise

I bought my zapper on e-bay..

It works very well.

Gary

Where is a reputable place to buy one of these zappers? Thank you

Hi,

This sounds very positive and hopeful! I have also been battling with systemic candida and parasites for quite some time now and sometimes have wondered if it would ever get back into balance, as I have tried so many things. I have recently started taking the MP regularly. Can you tell me what dosage you were taking? Also, my sister is currently battling with Lymes - can you give me the name of the company and website you mentioned? I am in the UK but my sister lives in the USA, so could probably order them from there. Oh, and what was in your green juice? Hope you don't mind all the questions!

So happy for you to have successfully healed after all those years - it's very inspiring for me! 👍😃🙏

Salt C helped a lot, but did not cure me after having Lyme for 40 years. Many natural treatments, many of which I learned right here on EC, were fundamental to solving it, but in the end I needed antibiotics. Having lived through it all, I would not bother with Salt. Vitamin C is good to take regardless, even if you're feeling well.

You need antibiotics for lyme period. I have had it twice.

Sadly Lyme tests even Igenex are not accurate. I tested with Igenex but too soon, so nothing showed on tests or subsequent tests. Did doxy for 6 weeks, then another round after short break for three weeks and it did not knock lyme out. Went back and did ceftin, azithromycin with flagyl pulsed for six weeks. It was rough out stomach which emptied 8 times every morning, but it was worth it. Lyme was in knee, shoulder, neck, hands and chest and heart. Not to be messed around with. Get antibiotics.

I have had twice. The first doxy worked then I used Buhners herbs to get rid of residual. Doxy did not work second time because what I thought was sciatica was not and lyme progressed. The second time left me with the inability to lift my leg and arm, and excruciating pain in the knee and horrible pins and needle in hand and arms. Also numb arms at night to the point I would have to punch them to get feeling.

Herbs are fine for some things, but get antibiotics.

I was so happy to read about Professional Formulas Lyme Nosode Drops (they have Tick Drops too). Their Mold Nosode Drops drops helped me immensely a few years ago. And their products are very affordable.

Same with me, same year! Never give up- Never!!!!

Hi Delphin,

Read your post and was wondering if you had the links to websites (or more info) on the protocols of Danny and Florida Gatorman. I can't find them anywhere...

I am interested to know how Ivermectin kills lyme, as lyme is a bacteria - not a parasitic worm, etc.

Any additional information you can offer would be extremely appreciated! I've had lyme for 32 years now and am looking for the cure! Thank you!

Hello. I follow a person named Danny on Dirt Road Discussions on Telegram. He used ivermectin to heal Lyme disease. He also drank lemon water and a couple of other things. His situation sounded very dire and was told that he was going to die. He is healthy now. He also has a website. Please take a look. Ivermectin is helping so many people with so many ailments. Danny has a list of the ailments that have cleared up following his protocol. I think Florida Gatorman also has an ivermectin protocol that his mother developed.

It's very important to understand that he was not using lugol's. He was using nascent iodine. The dosage is very different. Even though huge pharmaceutical doses of iodine can be used safely, the lugol's iodine in those amounts could be problematic .

I live near the woods and have had many tick bites over the years. The site usually forms a large itchy knot that takes a few months to go away. I got a new tick bite last week and it began to form a knot in a few days, as usual, but this time I applied turpentine topically and it began to recede and did not itch again. You can barely see where the bite was now.

Think long and hard before taking any antibiotics, as they can wreck your gut, as well as cause other health problems, not to mention what antibiotics do to your immunity.

You might even consider taking pure gum spirits of turpentine for your other health issue.

Beth,

I forgot to include the link explaining why silver nanoparticles for tick bites. Here is that link :

https://www.scielo.br/j/jbchs/a/vyMjkwctSSvrKBvxFzjS9mb/?lang=en

Here is a relevant quote that shows that silver nanoparticles are more effective than silver chloride nanoparticles when it comes to ticks and their bites :

>>> ' In conclusion, Ag⁰ and AgCl nanoparticles are efficient anti-tick agents, however, their activities depend on the source of production of nanoparticles and from their morphologies. Due to this factor, AgCl in its spherical morphology exhibited less activity than spherical Ag⁰. ' <<<

Here is another quote of importance :

>>> ' Burgdorfer, ⁵² who is well known researcher in Lyme diseases, tested in vitro proteinate silver (colloidal silver or Argyrol) up to 1500 ppm (1.5 mg mL^-1) on bacteria that cause Lyme disease (Borrelia burgdorferi spirochetes).^{53, 54} These bacteria disappeared in less than five minutes and twenty-four hours later, none of the crops treated contained any living spirochetes. Similar results were observed with another bacterium, such as Borrelia hermsii (HS-1), the agent of relapsing fever.

' <<<

Art

Beth,

I think silver nanoparticles (AgNPs) might be gentler to your body and in studies it has shown benefit for breast cancer as well as synergy with chemotherapy. AgNPs can also have sensitizing effects for radiotherapy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8777983/

Here are some relevant quotes from the study :

>>> ' The idea to use AgNPs as radiosensitizers came along with the phenomenon that metals with high atomic numbers are capable of enhancing the effects of radiation. ' <<<

>>> ' Even though AgNPs have a remarkable anti-cancer effect alone in vitro and in vivo, the most realistic therapeutic use of such nanoparticles might be their application as combinational partners with other anti-cancer agents upon chemotherapy or as auxiliary to other oncotherapeutic modalities. ' <<<

>>> ' Based on numerous publications in recent years, it seems obvious that nanoparticle-based treatment of various tumors is regarded as a novel, attractive strategy to improve cancer therapy. These materials, such as AgNPs, can accumulate in the tumor tissues, interact with the different cancerous and stromal cells in this microenvironment, get internalized into the cells, where they activate a number of signaling pathways, and trigger mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress, autophagy, ER stress, and various ways of cell death. Apart from a direct anti-cancer activity, AgNPs might serve as delivery platforms of various cytotoxic drugs or enhance the anti-cancer performance of combinational partners upon chemo- or radiotherapy. ' <<<

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33486577/

It seems at least worthy of discussing AgNPs with your oncologist.

Art

Should I take doxycycline for a tick bite? I have breast cancer...

Ted's Remedies, Natural Remedies for Lyme Disease (earthclinic.com)

plan your victory. I fought that and other things. If you begin borax use chanca piedra as it is stonebreaker<> when calcium exits soft tissues, it can be painful. Start low dose and slowly work up to 1/4 tsp in quart of water sipped throughout the day skip one day a week. No experience with what you asked above. Sorry.

Hi Glen,

I know your post is several years old so I don't have much hope you will reply but I am looking at a bulls eye rash right now and would like to know whatever advice you can give me. Did the Lyme go away completely with your CS treatment mentioned in your post? Which generator did you buy? If it did not go away with your mentioned treatment have you been successful at getting rid of it some other way? Thank you for any help you can give me!

If anyone else has any contributions to help I will also appreciate it very much!

Just received my Salt/C book & got this from larva worm bites on a blanket & Derm doesn't help me. I'm on my own!!! I have 2 drink Braggs Organic Vinegar EVERYDAY 3oz. & the Dr. gave me Tacrolimus ointment (that gives HX reaction & Diflucan 1 pill for 4 weeks. Which transferred the fungus from under my breast to my face (bad). It's a never ending story. And I pray for death……

Hi! I know it's been several years since you posted that your were taking nosodes for Lyme. Just wondering if it helped? Thank you.

Hi Ben...thank you for your post. I am looking into your info. Any updated info you would care to share?? Thx

That's so interesting that you found orange and lemon diet worked. About 10 years ago, I came across some information that the peel of calamansi oranges was a cure. I just tried to google search it and can't find it anywhere on the internet except for your post here. I believe it must work. Also, I did find that orange is used as a repellant for ticks, so the ticks must not like orange/lemon for a reason.

Oh my goodness you just described me to a t! I had a EMG done and it showed I had neuropathy but not diabetic. I have every symptom you have if not more. I've been dealing with this since 2014. I've taken doxycycline a few times for different things and I've been tested twice. The first test was negative the 2nd test was about 6 months later still negative but I had 3 more positives pop up than last time and they said I had to have so many positive before I was officially diagnosed with Lyme. But he went ahead and treated me to be on safe side. I really don't know what to think anymore.

Hello.

Can you please tell me where you found the copper that's so effective? Thank you.

How much daily did you do? I use bulk and was up to 16grams.

Are both Pantothenic Acid and Pantethine the same thing? Will pantethine work just as well without pantothenic acid? Im about to order some stuff to Canada from the US because it is cheaper. However, most of the b5 supplements are filled with binders and fillers I wish not to consume.

Lyme Disease:

I've been researching this crazy illness for years and through the hard work of others have uncovered some truths about this disease which almost put me in a wheelchair.

First, killing the adult spirochetes in blood stream is easy but they have found that immediately when stressed these parasites either morph into dormant spheres and are covered in biofilm made up of polysacharides and protein. These spheres are hard to kill and antibiotics are mildly helpful to these persisters. Pulse dosing is better than steady dosing. Combination antibiotics are better than single bullet.

They found that .05 percent clove, cinniamon, oregano oils are better than antibiotics, Selenium and sulfur are helpful upon biofilm too. Some people do enzymes like serapeptase or EDTA . However, the other part to this equation is the fact that these spirochetes actually infest and hide in your red blood cells. Attaching microscopic evidence that is shocking but helpful. I am in remission now and my blood samples have zero spirochetes. I used a the only patented Lyme treatment in the world. It is ionized copper. To watch this copper do its thing is amazing to watch.

ENJOY and LEARN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwm0HiuB9s

5,000 IU, of D3 helps with Lyme - improved circulation and mood of my son who got it when he was just 10 years old. He's now 18.

D3 helps thin blood, so be careful if you are already on a blood thinner. I also take it daily as it lowers my blood pressure.

How much salt and vit C did you take each time? And regarding the amino acids you mentioned (lysine, glycine, threonine, etc)- how many mg of each, and were they taken a separate times or all together?

For anyone suffering with Lyme disease – this is what cured me.

I suffered with Lyme, it's co-infections, and toxic metal poisoning for over 30 years (toxic metals like mercury are common with long-term Lyme). I was bitten at least 40 times growing up in Connecticut. I have taken many kinds of antibiotics and done many forms of chelation none of which ever cured me. They helped, but never cured. What finally did it was drinking Himalayan salt and vitamin C on an empty stomach every day and taking NBMI (Boyd Haley). The herx's are brutal and so I almost quit especially the one around the 9 to 11 month point, but I'm glad I pushed through. After 12 months I stopped feeling symptoms altogether.

It's been a little over two years on Salt/C and now I'm at the point where I can stop the treatment. I make EDTA suppositories and take it at night 80 mins before bed. I wait 60 mins and then take an NBMI suppository and go to bed. I have not found any chelator as powerful/effective as NBMI and I've tried them all. There are many other things I do like the baking soda protocol (most effective candida killer I've found especially from taking all those antibiotics through the years) and the liver/gallbladder flush from Andreas Moritz. I have done around 30 of them and passed thousands of stones.

It thereby unblocked my liver and it's pathways (what a difference it makes!). Now when I do a flush – no stones come out. I also find drinking magnesium chloride every morning on an empty stomach extremely helpful (at night before bed is good too). Drinking all this salt- you should monitor your kidneys, but from what I've read problems only arise in about 5% of the population. I also believe drinking it on an empty stomach is important. I have no food 2 hours prior and no food an hour after. In the beginning I did this 3 to 4 times a day.After a few months I only did it once or twice a day. After the big 9/11 month herx- I have only been doing it once a day in the morning. After 30+ years of suffering horribly there is no doubt this fully cured me.

I find that taking the amino acids – Lysine, Glycine, Glutamine, and Threonine on an empty stomach also very helpful. I also take a high quality whey protein (on an empty stomach) every day to raise the glutathione levels. I take many other vitamins – ones that Dr. Mercola has been recommending for a long time (Krill oil, Astaxanthin, Vitamin B complex, etc). I also bought tanning beds for Vitamin D. For sleep – I find that the combination of l-theanine, lithium orotate, melatonin, and ashwagandha works great. I also take organic whole husk psyllium and apple cider vinegar about 20 minutes before a meal. I make my own fermented veggies and sometimes whole fat yogurt for probiotics.

It's important to know the difference of a water soluble vitamin and a fat soluble one. Water soluble needs no food 2 to 3 hours prior and 1 full hour after, so morning after waking up is an ideal time. Fat soluble should be taken with food/fat/oil for maximum absorption. I find most people don't know this, but it's very important. If you've ever taken a B-complex vitamin and later your urine was a funky color- you had food to close to taking it and you just expelled most of all the nutrients. Taking it on an empty stomach will yield the proper results. I also oil-pull for a half hour every morning prior to eating as well.

Another common symptom of Lyme is constipation. Make sure you're going at least once a day. If you're having trouble- drink enough Salt/C and magnesium chloride and you'll go. Either that or do an enema/colonic.

Lyme also really messes with your hormones. Look into Bio-Identical hormone therapy especially if you're over 35. I make my own DHEA/Pregnenolone suppositories and I also take progesterone almost daily. Women should look into estrogen as well. I take hormone holidays just like Dr. Mercola talks about. Your thyroid is another gland that will often be affected by Lyme, so I highly recommend eating seaweed every day. I eat a 1/2 teaspoon of bladderwrack every day with food.

I also like using a far-infrared sauna (I built my own using Dr. Wilson's guidelines online) every two days and drinking essiac tea prior (bulk-essiac organic) on an empty stomach. I also drink some organic black coffee while in the sauna because I find it makes me sweat much more, but some people may not be able to tolerate this. I remember prior to doing my liver flushes I was unable to drink coffee at all- it used to make me feel terrible. I drink lots of water in the sauna- you can buy reverse osmosis systems very inexpensively now. I add some Himalayan salt and little baking soda to the water to remineralize it. I also sometimes add a pinch of borax to help remove fluoride. I recommend the borax protocol as well.

Intermittent fasting was also a big one. I do this almost every day. I choose to do it in the morning, so I can have a social life at night- plus it ties in with all my other protocols for the morning. Many people also recommend Cat's Claw, which I also took during all this time as a water-soluble supplement every day, but I don't believe it did much. Salt/C along with everything else was very apparent to be working.

There's no doubt everything else I spoke about has a profound healing effect.

Taking Diatomaceous Earth every day was also helpful. When I first started taking it- I could feel parasites moving out of my intestines.

I highly recommend reading more here on earthclinic.com and mercola.com

Cindy,

Your comment has so much great information.

Organic food is also very important because the glyphosate-based weedkillers are also an antibiotic. I was in the hospital for a week in August of 2019 with Lyme meningitis and was on a strong antibiotic through a PICC for one month. It happened eight months after suddenly losing my sister to a heart attack. I've read that this kind of loss can also set cause Lyme that's been in a body to become very active, I have no idea how long I had Lyme in my system. One year before that I began eating a strict Keto and IF diet for six months. I did it for severe depression/stress, lupus and ptsd (both began when I was 10/11, I'm now 58). After I learned that we have more Serotonin in our gut and it communicates with the Serotonin in our brain, I realized how important the gut really is. The diet heals the body, weight loss is a great side effect; I was amazed with all of the changes that began after just one week; the lupus symptoms were going away as well as my eye floaters, more energy, the severe stress and depression went away, the bumps on the back of my arms, my sinuses were cleared, and so much more; it also reverses type II diabetes. Much like the Gerson Therapy, people are now eating a struck Keto & IF to treat cancer.

My big mistake was taking a 'break' for the Christmas/New Year holiday season. Decades of abuse to a body takes a long time to repair. Adding the chronic lyme has become horrible, and three weeks ago I was in my yard, was bit by another tick and I began having the horrible effects of first getting Lyme disease. My doctor put me on 3 weeks of Doxycyclne, but after one week I stopped. I know it will only destroy my gut, which I'm trying to repair. I'm back on Keto & IF and I researched MMS and am going to try that. Thank you for the information on the Mimosa Pudica supplement. I believe that will help clean my gut. I found a place nearby that sells raw dairy; I'm also making my own sauerkraut. Garlic and oregano are a must. Keto & IF are now my eating lifestyle.

Thank you so much for sharing all that you did.

I've used a combination of 2 detox protocols to cure candida AND Lymes. YES!! it is curable.

I want to say at the outset, I believe it requires at least a commitment of a year for this reason. Candida leaves spores in the body that bloom at change of season. So while you may be feeling great after 3 months, pesky little spores may bloom, and you are revisited by the symptoms that you had just seen leave. Anything fungal will include parasites. And parasites leave eggs and larvae. They burrow and hide. For those reasons, I wanted to do a year minimum. And I will do a refresher once or twice annually for the remainder of my time here. 🙂

The first detox was a change of food which can become a lifestyle change if you wish. Or once finished you can return to a menu with more variety. The most important thing is to avoid ALL processed foods, and all non-organic food, all GMO food, and all pasteurized foods.

(Pasteurized foods are those that can be rich in probiotics building a strong healthy microbiome, if only they weren't literally “cooked to death”. Pasteurization heats the food to 165 degrees or above to kill off any bad bacteria–AND all the good (probiotic) bacteria! Before pasteurization, wine and cheese were full of probiotics. That helps the pounds from packing on! Make your own (once you're all healed), and enjoy these foods guilt-free.

By the way, do not use probiotic supplements. There are thousands of strains of probiotics, and in the very best probiotic supplements, which by the way are PROCESSED, have at most only a dozen strains, and have been found to be of very little help. Dr. Mercola did a study on homemade sauerkraut (EASY) vs. the best of all probiotic supplements.

The results? One spoonful of homemade sauerkraut gives you more probiotics than an entire bottle of probiotic supplements.

Meat can be ok if it is pasture-fed, given no antibiotics or growth hormones. It's more expensive than standard meat, but not as expensive as hospital bills to treat illnesses that rob you of your health and life. Interestingly, if you haven't learned yet, antibiotics are a huge problem and given out far too often (to humans), creating these fungal/candida/Lymes problems. Even worse, 80% of all antibiotics produced in America are given to our animals that are raised for food. You may be avoiding antibiotics, but if you buy standard meat or milk, you're getting more there than if you took a dose yourself!

Two natural antibiotics are: 1) Colloidal silver, and 2) a combination of 3 essential oils: (Put into an empty capsule, 5 drops On-Guard, 5 drops Mellaleuca (Tea Tree Oil), and 3 drops of Oregano). Take up to 4 times daily.

The opposite of Pasteurized is RAW. Make sure you read labels before buying anything. Even health foods like RAW Kombucha are being developed differently than if you made it at home. And many supplements are the worst offenders. Look at “other ingredients”. If you don't recognize the long words you're reading, do you really want to put it in your body?! Companies get away with a lot using “natural flavors”, which may or may not be anything close to natural.

The food detox was created by a doctor in the 1940's and 1950's, primarily first for tubuerculosis (skin, lung, etc), and then shifted focus to cancer and any other chronic illness. When you heal, you heal everything.

Nice side note: Within the first several weeks or couple of months all of the bumps on the back of my arms went away. Sleep, which had not been good, became AMAZING. And any calloused/crusty spots on the bottom of my feet went away on their own. I had NO idea all of these things were due to toxins in my body.

This particular detox is not a brand, so I think I can mention the name. It's just a book or a documentary that teaches you EXACTLY how to eat for 2 years. You buy or grow your own food. It's the Gerson Therapy and involves juicing, coffee enemas, eating oatmeal, and fruits and vegetables (as much as you want–seriously I was never hungry and extra weight fell off easily).

It detoxes every organ of your body. You follow it for 18 months to 2 years–which is the length of time required to completely regenerate the liver, one of our most major detox organs– if you're reversing/curing cancer or a chronic illness. When you do the detox, it does become a lifestyle, although when you've completed it, you will likely add in other healthy, non-toxic foods (organic, non-GMO, non-processed and not pasteurized) and continue a couple of weeks of detox annually, the rest of your life. You really can't get sick eating this way, don't feel deprived, and really feel great.

*NOTE: Since I had severe systemic candida, as well as Lymes, I couldn't handle the homemade (delicious–not gross like what you buy at the store) carrot juice. I stuck with green juice only and couldn't even tolerate fruit. Within 6 months, I was able to eat fruit! And that's with a very severe case of these. I had been bedridden for 10 years.

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Because we fight so many more toxins today, I added a fungal (candida, lymes, mold, morgellons, bacteria, virus, etc) component to my life that is so simple. Many companies are now producing supplements from the Mimosa Pudica plant. Anytime you have anything fungal in your body (if you've ever taken antibiotic, birth control pills or steroids–top 3 causes of disruption of our intestinal flora–or if you have chronic symptoms or illnesses–allergies, cancer, skin conditions, ALS, IC, IBS, MS, fibromyalgia, chronic infections or colds, etc), parasites accompany, which is a good thing.

They “carry” the highly toxic fungal material so that you're able to detox without off-the-chart die-off. I've had systemic candida for 20+ years, and had never found a cure. (MP is part of the cure. Heavy metals, including any in your teeth, must also be removed.) Also it's great to know that these fungal issues are one of the most common root causes of any chronic illness.

The seed of the MP plant is the first step of the cleanse. The cleanse cures all things fungal, and in my body, for 8 months, I unloaded parasites non-stop 2-4 cups (up to 1 litre) daily. I had no idea I had any parasites. But the parasites sop up all the fungal stuff out of your small intestines (and the rest of your body, and all your organs), and eliminate them via the colon.

The MP seed gets gelotinous when wet, and grabs and adheres to anything in the small and large intestines and drags them out. Since the parasites and its contents aren't killed, there is little to no die-off. (Candida alone has 90 different mycotoxins). It had felt like I could get die-off just thinking about a cleanse. Ha! Was amazed when I was able to use this MP supplement (which many companies are making) and never have one drop of die-off. I did use coffee enemas as I was accustomed to them, but don't know if I needed them.

I was fortunate to find a company that produced an MP supplement that is very high quality. Organic, non-GMO, no excipients or fillers. (The founder of the company was a naturopathic doctor who himself struggled with Lymes for more than a decade.) They have a great protocol outlined, with other supporting supplements for those who need to clear their detox pathways, etc, and offer a free online Q&A session every week. I have learned so much. Search on Amazon or google to find any Mimosa Pudica supplement.

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Lastly, I'd feel remiss if I didn't mention that there is no need (and in fact it is a waste of time and money) to be tested for candida, lymes, parasites, mold or anything else. These things can be in all areas of the body, and even a cultured stool test may not find parasites that reside in areas of the body that tests have no access to.

Also, most tests only look for a few of the thousands of parasites and pathogens exists. I passed every magazine or online candida test I took–looked like I was in perfect health. I was finally tested for candida 5 years ago, and while the blood test I took the very same week as the stool test I did, the blood test returned a negative result, but the stool test confirmed what I had suspected for 20 years–a very severe, systemic infection. Most lab tests will return false negatives.

Btw, everyone has yeast candida. It's part of a healthy microbiome. It's when the candida morphs from its healthy yeast form into its fungal form, that it becomes problematic.

Hi,

Can you eat and what food? How long do u do it for? Thanks

I had Lyme too. I did the antibiotics but they mess you up. I did years of them. The best thing is to find an ozone doctor to do direct ozone. Great way to destroy it all. It takes time but it can kill the infections. Make your own silver with Silver Edge machine or buy Argentine 25 great silver. Must take b12 methylcobolmin and b vitamins are important.

Please can you suggest which electrification device works best? Ultimate zapper? I am desperate. I tried hydrogen peroxide food grade for 5 weeks and couldn't take another day ( although my symptoms were tolerable except for the twitches). I quit and started Himalayan salt and C and it was ok for a few days, but now the pains are taking over and something is growing in my eye, but no body twitches. In only a few days, I have gone downhill fast ...and I only contracted this in August this year. I am on a long wait list to see a lyme specialist for the igenex test and antibiotics. Until then, serrapeptase, but it doesn't cover the pain at all. The salt is covering some pain but not for long and I am worried it made this thing grow in the white of my eye. I am alone and afraid and have no support of any kind. I had toxic mold exposure that left me hyper sensitive to mould....maybe compromised immune system is why this is attacking me so hard. It makes Morgellons look like a walk in the park.....TED from this site saved my life with simple borax for that. How can Lyme be so much worse. I cant take it anymore.

Thank you, but I couldn't find anything there.....I have never used facebook

Thank you for sharing. I am new to Lyme and so scared. I am taking hydrogen peroxide food grade and salt water and mimosa pudica ( which made me expel a few long worms! ). I will order some bloodroot. Please try to view THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER with Ty Bollinger.....it is viewing now for free and will probably have a replay weekend soon.....one of the very informed holistic doctors warned that glutamine causes cancer....please look into this.

God bless

Ted saved my life with Borax a few years ago with Morgellons...I bathed with a cup of borax in the water and drank 1/8 teaspoon in a bottle of water every day except weekends.....hundreds of black specks came out of me in the tub. I also used a diluted borax water for my cat and he was cured. Just sip it gradually, not all at once.

Now I have new lyme and have been taking hydrogen peroxide 35% food grade and Himalayan salt and mimosa pudica. I am better than a few weeks ago but the twitching makes me crazy...usually after I take the peroxide or the salt water...I am so scared. I had forgotten about borax but will resume asap.

God bless

Google Dr Jay Davidson and look at what he says about parasites....most of us have them and if you don't get them out, its hard to deal with lyme or anything else because they harbour them. I have new Lyme and have been taking 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide for 4 weeks as well as mimosa pudica and a toxin binder called colystyramine. The biggest difference I noticed was as soon as I started drinking himlayan salt water! I am going to start the oil pulling today.

God bless all on the healing journey.

Can I use pink hymalayan sea salt? Thank you for sharing your experience...praying it works for me....using 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide at 20 drops three times a day with stevia and its awful. God bless

Hi Diana. Please join LYME OH OH on Facebook. There is much info regarding Drs etc. on there.

Joanna

I haven't tried D-Mannose, but I'll talk with my functional medicine doc about it. Thanks for the suggestion!

I felt your pain until I saw this doctor whom I had heard about for years from many friends. Another friend of mine helped him create antigen vials to use to desensitize people of lyme disease, didn't cost me much but I had to go once week for awhile.

Whitmire Chiropractic Center
9716 NE 76th St,
Vancouver, WA 98662
(360) 256-6970

Hi Diane,

You can take Vitamin c Crysals up to 10,000mg or more. You need to check how much vitamin you need. You take your first doze, wait for 20mins and take second doze. Do this until you have to go to bathroom and then you learn about your body how much you need. Once you find it out how much vitamin c you need everyday, you can take that doze everyday. Once your body started to repair you don't need high doze. Your body will tell you and you can keep continue taking until you have to go to bowel tolerance. If vitamin c Crystals is hard for your stomach then you can also take Buffered Vitamin c that is easy for the stomach.

Vitamin c is very expensive but if you can take vitamin c at home it really helps.

Thank you.

I was bitten 7 weeks ago and having horrendous pains. I didn't want to take antibiotics so I'm taking hydrogen peroxide food grade and stevia and serrapeptase and mimosa pudica. I feel some relief. Should I take antibiotics? If so, what kind and dose? Is there a clinic in Mexico you would recommend. Due to a deathly mould allergy, I'm afraid to travel almost anywhere humid, but I'm terrified this bug will be horrendous. I battled morgellons a few years ago and won with borax thanks to ted.... seemed like a bad science fiction novel but nothing compared to this pain.... and it's only just begun. I'm alone and terrified.

hi Fred,

i am in Toronto. Can you recommend a doctor? I got bit several weeks ago, has the fever and now horrendous pains have started. I didn't want to take antibiotics so I've been taking hydrogen peroxide food grade and stevia... some relief but not sure it will be enough or for how long. I keep reading that antibiotics are necessary but I'm afraid of getting the right kind and right dose. Had a bad cipro reaction years ago. I'm alone and scared to go to walk in clinic.

I had chronic lyme for 9years and was not going away. I did take high vitamin c dose to my bowel tolerance and had clean diet for three months. No gluten and dairy, No sugar and my lyme got completely cured.

High dose of vitamin c really helped me but you have to take it everyday.

I did not get any relief for LD with antibiotics that lasted longer than 1 week, although treatment didn't start until 53 years after bitten by a tick. That's the problem with living in a state that CDC is sure ticks know not to cross state lines.

Found a wonderful LLMD in Irvine, Ca; she made a referral for a Neuro-Optometrist in Riverside, Ca; that helped with balance and fatigue. After 1.5 years of treatment w/LLMD there are now days of energy and nausea is gone. In the 1st 2 months of treatment with membrane stablilizing power drink, BodyBio & Pekana drops brain fog, CTS and headaches disappeared.

Wendy,

Have you tried D-Mannose? Lyme seems to like to attack the kidneys, have been using this ever since my Dr. said this is what she uses daily. 1-scoop under the tongue daily is what I do to prevent UTI from taking hold. Haven not had a UTI since, she recommended 2-scoops a day if a UTI starts. This seems to wash the bacteria away.

Responding to my previous post about my having the klebsiella pneumoniae super-bug which had been causing my UTIs and allowing them to recur even after multiple rounds of antibiotics: I just had another urine culture done on 9/1/18, and the results just came in: "NO SIGNIFICANT GROWTH"!! WOW, and I happy! So, in my opinion, these good results were due to cleaning up my diet (absolutely NO sugar; NO carbs including breads, pastas, rice; taking Olive Leaf extract in capsule form at the very first sign of a UTI; and taking Oregano Oil capsules 2x/day for 2-4 weeks).

NOTE: remember to keep your Primary Care Physician and/or functional medicine specialist and/or integrative medicine specialist in the loop when planning on taking any supplements and/or essential oils.

I can personally attest to these statements, specifically about Cipro. I've been prescribed Cipro for recurring urinary tract infections (UTIs) over the years. Three years ago, I tore my left hamstring simply taking one step from my porch into my home! It has never completely healed, although doing leg exercises has strengthened the surrounding muscles in my leg. Then, @1.5 years ago, the hamstring area directly behind my left knee "popped" again by just taking a small step up into a restaurant. My nutritionist back then let me know about the debilitating side effects of these particular antibiotics. Recently, since my kidney transplant 2 years ago, and since my immune system is compromised due to the immuno-suppressants, I've been getting the monthly UTIs again. Docs put me on 3 different antibiotics over these past months, including Cipro, to stop the infection. However, after each 10-day course, I'd get another infection 4 days later! Turns out I had the klebsilla pneumonia super-bug, which is NOT killed off by the antibiotics, thus causing, and allowing, the UTIs to recur! I then did my research, and discovered the essential oil, Oregano Oil which can kill off the super-bug. I've been taking it regularly now for the past 2 weeks, and "hoping" that I'm able to avoid another UTI. Will be going for a urine culture next week, and again hoping that the super-bug count has decreased. I'll check back and let you all know.

Also, anyone else suffering from recurrent UTIs, super-bugs, etc., please do your research and meet with a qualified health professional, including functional medicine professionals, keeping your primary doc in the loop! You need to be very careful ingesting/using new homeopathic remedies because everyone is different, and these remedies could affect different people differently!

@Fred from Canada:

Just want to mention that the FDA put out a warning about using fluoroquinolone drugs such as Ciprofloxacin (Cipro) and Levaquin, both commonly prescribed by doctors for Lyme and many other infections. They can cause serious side effects, sometimes permanent. Please see this link: https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/newsroom/pressannouncements/ucm513183.htm

I use different protocols that I create it myself! Because you have to use different methods because the little buggers know or learn and then create their own immune system. MMS from Jim humbles works, Will not go without it. Also Silver. I also use Hydrogen peroxide 35% food grade, the manuka honey, and Essiac tea, Holy Basil tea, DMSO, I do take my vitamin D3. B12 is also very important also borax. Coconut oil Turmeric and cats claw And grapefruit seed abstract, etc and etc . I also give my body two days a week rest! Everything I do I take my time with it. I don't overdose. I don't take everything once that's why I created protocols.

There's also an oil that you could take to bring them out to also try and kill them, And Rife machine and so on! I have no Immunity against lyme. I actually could go on and on!

When you have brain fog you are infected with Borrelia, Bartonella or both. Start using fresh raw garlic 3 cloves a day and 10 drops of organic oregano oil, dilluted in glass of water 3 times a day. you can add Amoxicillin 2g/day for 7 days or Ciprofloxacin 3x250mg for 5 days. Bartonella is very sensitive to Cipro and Borrelia to Amoxil. The stongest abx for Borrelia is Ceftriaxone IV and oral Gemifloxacin. it is very important to have MBC of abx high enough to be able to kill 100% of the bacterial load, otherwise you cannot be cured 100%.

I had my intestinal health wiped out for a long period of time from clindamycin and this Cipro can really set you back ...read read read

https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/newsroom/pressannouncements/ucm513183.htm

No need to be scared, just some common sense. If you are seriously ill you can start with amoxicillin for 2 or 3 weeks. no need to take longer abx treatment because it is quite damaging to liver and kidneys. After the amoxil treatment you can use ciprofloxacin for 1 week. probably with the cipro you will have quite a herx reaction(s), it means the abx kills the nasty bacteria. first you should address babesia problem with zithromax, after that bartonella with ciprofloxacin and later borrelia with minocycline. the borrelia replication cycles are quite slow, thus need to use pulse abx treatment for quite longer periods in order to eradicate the pathogen 100%. MBC are different for different antibiotics, for borrelia abx gemifloxacin is quite good and ceftriaxone IV too. for cystic forms grape seed extract or grapefruit seed extract plus kelp, monolaurin and royal Jelly.

I drink the Custis Tea. It is a good Biofilm buster, add Stevia for Lyme. I'm positive but have not done that. My issue is Systemic Candida.

I've been following Dr D Klinghardt's info re Lyme disease which he prefers to call insect-borne illness. His protocol is quite complex, maybe even more than the herbalist Buhner; however, recently read on his site that taking Cistus Incanus tea with leaf Stevia can relieve symptoms. Start with 2 cups a day increasing to 6.

Research Banderol. Heard that this is good for Lyme disease. I believe it is used alone and then use Cats Claw. Maybe use both together not sure.

I was cured of Chikungunya by using the zapper. (that is a mosquito borne virus that causes rheumatoid arthritis like symptoms.) I went from not being able to walk to going dancing three days later. I too shared this remedy and most got better quickly after. Go Zapper! Now I was bitten by a tick and will be using the zapper again. Thank you for your post.

I just want to say first of all that I have never had Lyme disease but I have been using Lugol's iodine for years and when I feel the onset of the flu I use a protocol put forward by Dr. Stephen Fisher who used iodine to cure malaria and influenza in Zambia and has years of experience using it for those reasons. I tried his protocol but was scared at first because the most iodine I have ever consumed in one sitting was about 8 vertical drops of Lugol's 5%. I read more about it and discovered that taking his protocol is perfectly safe as he was using it on individuals who never supplemented with iodine.

The protocol for flu is 20 drops four times a day for 1 day and the following 2 days 10 drops four times a day. When I was sick I was unable to get out of bed pretty much, sick as you can be without being hospitalized. I started the protocol and completed the first day, I went to sleep and the following day I was 99% better, had energy, was up and about, no more headaches, appetite returned. All that remained was my secondary infections (sinus mostly). I used a neti pot to get rid of my sinus infection and continued my day 2 of the iodine protocol just in case. It cured my flu! Since then I have used it several times to cure my flu and it works every single time.

Now regarding Lyme, this is caused by a bacterial infection, influenza is viral. Both bacteria and viruses cannot survive lugol's iodine, it's not even a close battle. If I was diagnosed with Lyme I would uses this influenza iodine protocol and feel very confident it can cure you. Why the medical community refuses to look at non pharma solutions is beyond me but I think this can really help people. If I had Lyme disease I would do the protocol and then wait 1-2 weeks and do it again until the bacteria was gone from my system and I felt much better. At proper dosage and duration I truly believe Lyme can be eradicated from your system. I hope this helps some people who have seemingly tried everything.

Hey Martina,

How are you doing on your protocol nowadays?

Did you find a good one for bartonella?

For Neuroborreliosis, you should start treatment with Cefotaxime IV (2g/day) or Ceftriaxone IV (2g/day) for ten days. You can be treated with Minocycline too, because Mino can penetrate quite easily into the brain tissue. When treating Borrelia infection, you should always address the tree forms of infection: live spirochetes (motile form), cyctic forms and biofilms. Borrelia is able to survive the abx attacks, transfroming into cysts or creating bacterial biofilms, so tough to kill with abx. You should use biofilm busters in an effort to bust the nasty borrelia biofilms.

What did your son do/take to start feeling better. My son has the same symptoms and misses a lot of school.

Do you think this remedies work for Chagas disease also? I don't know how I got it, I don't even travel outside U.S.

My teenage daughter has Lyme and it's reared it's ugly head again. She suffers from fatigue, brain fog and swollen joints. Should I try CS for her and how much/how often? Thank you so much

Don't give up. I've had it since 1962 and have found help through ILADS by finding a LLMD that actually helped me. Prior I was begging my husband to let me go, this is not living. Find another LLMD, hopefully one that has LD.

Hi Dave,

I get what you are saying and I don't think that Darvish has the silver facts 100% correct, but I thought the article had enough merit to make it worth posting since Lyme Disease is a serious and complex illness with very severe symptoms and if silver turns out to be helpful against Lyme, then definitely worth the effort. You said the chemistry mentioned in the newsletter was unclear and I would say that pretty much mirrors what is typically found around the web on many silver sites because frankly, the science is not completely known yet about different silver products. You have previously touched on the fact that IS and CS can be confusing because everyone seems to have their own opinions on that subject and again I would say this is reflective of the fact that the science on silver is not completely known yet and as such, we are left to piece together what is known on the subject and draw our own conclusions based on the studies that are available.

Regarding colloidal silver and silver nanoparticles, it is my understanding that all silver nanoparticles are colloidal silver, but not all colloidal silver is silver nanoparticles. The reason being that once the particle size exceeds 100 nm, it is no longer nanoparticles but it is still colloidal silver. This size range has shown itself to be much less effective at killing pathogens than silver nanoparticles. From studies that are available, it appears that a particle size in the 12 to 20 nm range are the most effective at killing pathogens while being the least toxic to human cells. Colloidal silver in this size range and a parts per million value of 20 will appear as a yellow color similar to Johnson's baby shampoo. As the ppm rises the color will darken significantly. Over 100 ppm and the CS will start to turn brown while over 300 ppm and the CS will appear as the color of dark coffee. If the colloidal silver is capped, the capping agent can affect the color, sometimes darkening the CS and depending on what capping agent is used, can potentially improve the zeta potential of the silver particles as well as slightly reduce the particle size and reduce the potential for agglomeration, so capping is very useful and is often used in colloidal silver studies.

This article did not really discuss ionic silver (AG+) in any detail, but rather talked about silver nanoparticles (AGNP's) and colloidal silver (CS). Ionic silver has a positive charge and is attracted to normal human cells which have a negative charge whereas Agnp's are not attracted to normal cells. Ionic silver is much smaller than CS and it can enter cells. Opposites attract and likes repel each other. Here is another article which seems to explain the difference between ionic silver and colloidal silver better than I ever could. Obviously it will be part speculation as the available studies have not discovered all that there is to know about these two types of silver yet. Both are effective in terms of being able to kill a multitude of pathogens, but they are not the same. I hope this answers your questions, Dave.

Art

Here is the article:

Ionic Vs. Metallic Colloidal Silver

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The Controversy:

There is much debate about the superiority of one kind of colloidal silver over the other. Manufacturers that sell ionic (clear as water) silver say its better than metallic nanoparticles (clear yellow). Manufacturers of metallic silver similarly claim theirs is the best. In actuality, ionic is not colloidal silver at all, but a silver compound (silver oxide), but it does kill pathogens.

Laboratory testing in-vitro (in test tubes or petri dishes) shows that both types kill pathogens, with it requiring about twice as much silver (by ppm) for metallic, but ionic being 25 times more toxic to human fibroblast cells. However the actual method of action is not fully understood for either type. Also, in-vitro does not equate to in-vivo testing. The conditions inside the human body are totally different than in a test tube. For instance, human cell membranes are negatively charged, and attract the positively charged silver ions, but repel metallic silver particles. This would waste the ionic silver by binding it to any cell preventing it from attacking pathogens in the blood stream, while keeping metallic silver circulating.

Known Risk of Argyria:

One thing is clear though. Ionic silver is far more likely to cause argyria than the metallic. Every scientific study supports this assertion. The reason this is so is for the very same reason that makers of ionic claim it cannot.

Clear ionic silver is made by running current through silver wires in water. This can create one and only one thing: silver hydroxide which decomposes into silver oxide. When consumed, silver oxide further reacts chemically with stomach acid producing silver chloride. This silver, being ionic is the smallest possible size particle. It is the size of one single atom of silver, and it is small enough to penetrate human cells. People who say this is the safest claim that because of its small size, it cannot get stuck in the cells. However, the error in that argument is that it does not stay ionic. Once inside the cell, it will react with sulfur or selenium in the cell and produce silver sulfide, or silver selenide. These compounds are not soluble, and stick to the inside of the cell. This is well known from biopsies of argyria victims done with a scanning electron microscope which show that the discoloration is precipitated insoluble silver selenide and silver sulfide which is now trapped in the cell. So the fallacy of the claim is that ions do not remain ions, they precipitate out of the cellular fluid and they tend to grow in size as more silver is absorbed by the cell.

Metallic silver particles, having similar surface charge to normal healthy cells, are not attracted to the the outside of the cell membrane, and are too large to enter cells, being about 45 times larger than a silver ion; so the chances of turning blue from it are much much lower. Cell membranes are meant to transport needed ions into the cell, and keep large particles out. The negatively charged outer surface of cell membraness capture ionic silver because of the electrostatic attraction between the positively charged silver ion, and the negatively charged cell membrane. There is no electrostatic attraction between metallic silver nanoparticles and cell membranes.

It is well documented in laboratory tests that the size of metal particles is important in their ability to inhibit pathogen cultures. This relation is due to the number of available particles for a given weight of silver as will be shown later in this article.

One thing which should be obvious about the efficacy of silver particles is that they have to have contact with the pathogen to kill it. A silver particle in one part of the body is not going to have any effect on a pathogen somewhere else. The actions an atom of anything can do is limited, and assuming no nuclear reactions:

A) It cannot summon a pathogen, or in any way attract it to itself except at atomic distances, or be attracted to a pathogen from a greater distance. It must be close enough to exchange electrons. This implies random encounters, so more particles gives a higher chance of a pathogen and a silver particle encountering each other.

B) It can donate an electron to something else if its a neutral atom which would convert the metal atom to an ion.

C) It can take an electron from something else if its an ion which would convert the ion to an atom.

D) It can stick to something else by adsorption.

E) It can bang into something imparting force and momentum. This is an unlikely method of action.

That being the case, then one would expect ionic silver to win hands down over metallic since the same weight of ionic silver contains many more individual particles than silver nanoparticles do. However, this is not the case.

Physical Differences:

One huge difference between a silver nanoparticle and a silver ion is its effective charge (Zeta potential). A silver ion carries a positive charge because it is missing an electron. A silver metal nanoparticle appears negatively charged because of the outer surface electrons. This makes silver metal nanoparticles strongly attract to relatively positive charged pathogens, while silver ions attract to negative charged healthy human cells.

A silver ion is one single atom, whereas a metal nanoparticle contains many atoms. The number of atoms in a nanoparticle can be estimated based on the packing ratio of spheres and the diameter of the particle. Think of filling a bucket with golf balls. Even though the bucket is full of golf balls, you can still pour an appreciable amount of water into the bucket. The volume of the golf balls related to the volume of the bucket is the packing ratio.

The diameter of a single silver ion is 0.33 nm (nanometers, or billionths of a meter) compared to a metal particle of 15 nm. The particle is about 45 times larger in diameter than the ion. The best possible packing ratio for small spheres packed into a larger volume is about 74%.

Therefor we can calculate the number of atoms in a 15nm diameter nanoparticle would then be (15 nm / .310 nm)^3 X .74 = 83,800 (approximate) and for a 14nm particle the number of atoms would be 68,160 approximately

So, a 20ppm ionic silver solution should contain 68,000 times more individual particles then yellow metallic colloidal silver for the same amount of silver by weight. (same ppm)

Since there are so many more ionic particles, one would expect the efficacy of ionic silver to be 68,000 times better. But its not! According to lab testing, ionic is only slightly better, and then only in certain circumstances. It in fact takes 68000 ionic particles to match the efficacy of a mere 29 15nm diameter particles.

So what could be possible explanations for this discrepancy?

Possible Causes for Metallic Silver to Outperform Ionic In Vivo:

A) Ionic silver has no effect at all on pathogens, and the effect that is seen is due to some amount of metallic nanoparticles present. There are plenty of agents in the human blood stream which can reduce silver ions to metal nanoparticles. Glucose for instance is very good for that purpose, and is found in the blood. The normal amount of glucose in the blood of a human is about 1 gram per liter. This is far more than enough to reduce all the ionic silver to metallic nanoparticles, although the reaction will be slow at body temperature and a large part of the silver ions may already be sequestered inside normal cells (cause of argyria). This does not contradict laboratory testing of ionic silver on bacteria as lab testing shows that the exudate from bacteria is also a reducing agent again pointing to silver particles as the active agent.

B) Ionic silver is only slightly effective, but the sheer number of particles makes up for it. (But why?, either it can kill a pathogen or it can't)

C) Metallic silver particles while less in numbers can kill multiple pathogens before being used up. This seems likely as there are many silver atoms on the surface of the particle available to interact with a pathogen. Removing one or deactivating one leaves many more.

D) Ionic silver is deactivated by reacting with selenium and sulfur compounds in the blood. This is known and is simple chemistry.

E) Chemically reducing something on or in a pathogen (Silver metal atom gives an electron) is more effective at killing it than oxidizing something (Silver ion taking an electron). It may also be that the sheer size of a metal silver particle is able to block a respiratory pathway of the pathogen, or may block a surface receptor site. It has been shown that metallic silver will bind to the receptor sites of the HIV virus blocking its ability to infect other cells.

F) Most of the silver ions are sequestered by being ingested by healthy cells and do not have the opportunity to kill any pathogens. Cell membranes attract and ingest metal ions needed to survive (sodium and potassium mostly), the majority of the silver ions will be captured by normal healthy cells and rendered useless in fighting pathogens traveling in the blood and lymph systems. This is very likely. Also, the chemistry of blood is a reducing agent for silver (high level of blood glucose), so ionic silver cannot long exist in a blood environment.

Particle Size Considerations:

Doubling the particle size decreases the particle count for the same weight of silver by a factor of 8, but increases the surface area of the individual particles by only a factor of four. So a doubling of particle size halves the effective surface area. Conversely, halving the particle size then doubles the total surface area. But the number of particles is also important, so thinking purely in terms of the surface area of an individual particle is not the best way to analyze the problem. Perhaps we should compare the total amount of exposed neutral atoms for each particle size

We can actually calculate how many atoms are in a particle, how many atoms would be on the surface, and how many would be available for interaction.

How many particles are there in 1 Liter of 20 ppm silver 14nm in diameter?

1 liter of 20ppm colloidal silver contains 20 mg of pure silver.
20 mg of pure silver is 1.87 X 10^-4 moles
1 Mole of any element contains 6 X 10²³ atoms
1.87 X 10^-4 moles of silver is then 1.12 X 10²⁰ atoms
The number of atoms in a 14nm sphere based on a .31nm radius of the atom, 74% packing ratio is 68,100
From this we can calculate the number of 14nm particles in the Liter as 1.64 X 10¹⁵

The numbers are based on an atomic bonding radius of .144 nm for a silver atom.

AgNp means silver nanoparticle.

From the table, it can be seen that increasing particle sizes not only decreases the number of particles for a given amount of silver, but also decreases the number of exposed silver atoms. For instance just doubling the particle size from 10nm to 20nm decreases the number of particles by a factor of eight. Is it any wonder that smaller metallic particles work better? Many sources claim that smaller particles are more effective because they have more surface area. This is not logical if one particle can kill one pathogen as has been shown with photomicrographs. This author believes that the real reason is simply that smaller particles means that there are more of them for a given weight (ppm) of silver. More particles equals a higher chance that a silver particle will encounter a pathogen and kill it.

Conclusion:

On a one to one basis of particle counts, metallic silver is far more efficient at killing pathogens than ionic silver with much less risk of causing Argyria. Also, the particle size of metallic silver is very important in that it determines how many particles are available for killing pathogens. Based on the findings of scientific research, there is no benefit to consuming ionic silver, and it is actually detrimental as it exhibits significant toxicity to normal cells. Metallic silver (yellow colloidal silver) is effective against most bacteria

Hello Art;

I read the newsletter on "silver" you linked written by Darvish (The Townsend Letter).

Maybe you know the chemistry and can help me understand because it was unclear from the newsletter. I'm very interested in all things Ag (silver).

Almost all silver makers produce an ionic silver meaning one electron is removed from the Ag, leaving the Ag in a positive state, or Ag+. Some advocates say that the ion (Ag +) is not true colloidal silver and so have a method for adding the electron back onto the particle to make it Ag without a charge...like it originally was (47 electrons and protons).

Now in the Newsletter you cite, the writer advocates, a silver called "nano-silver"....and this, the writer says is better than Ag or Ag+ because it is 100 nano meters small and has a "wider surface area in water" than the others forms of Ag or Ag+ (Atomic radius meaning radius from center of atom to outer core of electron.) So that means that Ag, assuming a radius of .5, is much smaller than the 100 nm size in the Ag she is advising. I think I'm correct in that assumption because the writer never says what the nano size is for a simple atom of Ag (called by some to be "true" colloidal silver).

Do I have it right? Is Darvish's definition of "nano silver" that it is a larger than normal size of an Ag atom? Is "nano silver" an ion? (Is it positively charged or is it neutral Ag?)

If you know, I'd appreciate you filling me in.

I recently read an interesting article written by a naturopath discussing "silver nanoparticles" as opposed to "colloidal silver" and its effects on Lyme Disease (LD).

One major problem that people who have LD run into is not being diagnosed promptly and correctly which gives the disease a chance to take hold and create a multitude of other health issues such as biofilms that protect the pathogen ('s) from attack by the immune system. Also, many co-infections are known to develop right along with the LD, further infecting the body and complicating the treatment process leading to a state of chronic infection that can go beyond the capabilities of antibiotics alone.

In this article the author/naturopath talks about the known effects of silver nanoparticles (SNP's) and how well they align with being anti-LD in nature. Also discussed is the safety of SNP's. What is not discussed in this article is the known fact that some antibiotics have synergy with SNP's and in some cases, SNP's have shown the ability to ameliorate resistance to certain antibiotics, essentially recycling the effectiveness of the antibiotic for the patient.

The longer a person goes undiagnosed with Lyme Disease, the greater the chance to develop a co-infection which will only make the disease harder to treat. Part of the problem with diagnosing LD is that the symptoms can be very similar to other diseases such as Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Arthritis to name just a few. Often times people think they have the flu because the initial symptoms can be quite similar to the flu and so people wait until "the flu" passes, allowing the disease to "dig in" further and create even more difficult symptoms. Compounding this problem is the fact that many people test negative for LD even though they are actually positive. There are two labs that I have heard of that are noted for doing more accurate testing. If you think you have been bitten by a tick and subsequently develop the telltale "bullseye rash, that is plenty of warning that you need to take immediate action to confirm a diagnosis.

In any case this is an enlightening article that is definitely worth the read.......especially if you happen to live in an area affected by LD. As you can see by the following map, LD is most prevalent in the Northeast United States, but a closer look at the map shows that it can appear almost anywhere in the US and is also seen in many other parts of the world. Tics are the most common way that LD is spread.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html

Here is a link to the article:

http://www.townsendletter.com/July2016/silver0716.html

Art

Glen, what kind of generator have you used to make your colloidal silver. I have researched several and am not sure which one is best. Thanks!

I like it. Cut to the chase- is there any treatment? For those caught early antibiotics work. 25 yrs without a diagnosis I've watched a woman my age who has had it same time as me go to another country to get hyperthermia only for it to return with a vengeance, IV antibiotics for 2 yrs, an LLMD through a uni were trialling a very expensive tea tree oil, made her very sick, me suicidal. I was ready to jump off the 8th floor balcony. I am so scared this is it.

So it took another year to get antibiotics. I couldn't find a Dr. that would treat me or a company that would ship them into this country. My neck & knee pain is very severe. I know I have osteoarthritus in both so I get confused & think that's what it is but I have pain ALL over & extreme + the food allergies, & allergies to everything in the air & the digestion, & the addisons, & the thyroid problems, & the IBS, & the can't sleep, & the extreme fatigue, + the diagnosis of viruses, the lyme, cysts, biofilm, molds, h pylori, 3 forms of mycoplasma. I can't take the herbs. I react to nearly everything. I've been on antibiotics for 6 mths with no herx & no sense it is making any difference. I got some dapsome which is being used for lyme. Now there's a reaction!!! I only take 1/4 tab but I don't know if I can keep this up. I want to die everyday as it is. When you've been sick for 1/2 your life it's not that unusual to get dropped by everybody. But although I am too sick to take care of myself I am caring for someone who is being treated for cancer, caught early & his chances are good. It is very confronting when for 25 yrs you are told there is nothing wrong with you, you are left without a home or treatment, locked up in a psyche ward and now I'm watching someone with no less than 6 docs & an IV bag of antibiotics (that I can't get).

Where do you buy the nosode for Lymes, EBV and mycoplasma?

Lyme can be cured, and the earlier you do so, the better.

The summer before last, my wife found a tick that had been attached to her for some time. then she got the classic bullseye rash of Lyme disease. She became extremely sick, lots of pain all over. She went from her normal high intelligence and being very articulate to being in a fog, unable to think, to remember, to finish a sentence she started.

Being extremely worried, I began searching online. I found where some actress I'd never heard of (not being up on current popular culture) who lived near Lyme, Connecticut, caught Lyme disease. Having had it for about a year and a half, she was in terrible shape. The standard antibiotic treatment had not worked for her. Reluctantly, she allowed a friend to drag her to a chiropractor's office, where she was treated with a Hulda Clark zapper.

Now, we have owned and used one for many years, and it has worked to rid us of various bugs that were going around. In those cases we did the normal protocol. You hold a copper handle with a damp tissue wrapped around it, 1 in each hand (or stick 1 down each sock, to leave your hands free), and connect the 9 volt battery to the zapper. For 7 minutes it runs a very weak DC current through you, which you likely will not feel, or maybe very slightly. Pause 20 minutes, zap again 7 minutes, pause 20 minutes, zap a third time 7 minutes. You are done.

For Lyme the chiropractor had this actress zap for 7 minutes every 20 minutes for 4 hours straight. She felt no different. The next morning she felt great! She was told to come back in 10 days and repeat the above treatment. She did and has been fine ever since. Out of 16 friends she had do this later, the only one who failed to get well had had Lyme for over 10 years, and had too much irreversible damage, alas.

I sat my wife down and timed the treatment for her. Next day she felt fine. Repeated 10 days later. She has been fine ever since.

You can buy zappers online. Spend one or two hundred bucks if you want, but we use the $15 kind (it cost 10 originally! ) and it works great. Somebody bench-tested one of those, and it fit Hulda Clark's original parameters the best of all, anyway. Or look up the plans and make your own, if you have the skills. The first one we owned was made by a friend of a friend, and it's circuit board was set in a tupperware container!

I agree that Lyme is difficult to detect initially. Many MD are not trained to make diagnosis ot the desease. it start with fever, chills, myalgia, athralgia, later with cardiac manifestations (carditis, endocarditis, myocarditis). Quite often initially you have multitude of infectious deseases because the thick bite infect your body with different pathogens. it can be Borrelia (Lyme), Babesia (Babeosis), Bartonella (Bartonelosis) and Anaplasma (Anaplasmosis). Babesia is quite nasty and you can pass away if not treated. Bartonella and Babesia can damage the heart. Lyme borreliosis can too damage permanently the heart muscle and can be Deadly if not treated with antibitics and herbs. The best ABX are Amoxicillin, Penicillin V, Penicillin G, Cefotaxime, Ciprofloxacin, Zithromax.

To treat the bacteria you should drink organic Apple Cider Vinegar (ALWAYS diluted in glass of water, eat probiotic Yogourt every single day and drink a lot of orange juice (vit.C). Vitamin C is very important for the treatment, because it helps the immune system and helps the tissue repair. For the cyst form of Borrelia you should take Grapefruit Seed Extract tablet form 3 times a day. using Western blot and PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test you can confirm the presence of Lyme bacteria and the attached co-infections in the body.

Heat then? Infrared sauna should be great! Have one! One of the low emf ones that you have your head out of the cabinet. My husband has had Lyme for years now. Chronic. Very painful, lots of symptoms, but he did say he felt better when he was doing saunas regularly. Need to remind him of this and get him started again.

If you are suggesting that Plum Island is in anyway related to Lyme disease, you should read about the history of Lyme. The Native Americans in Manouck near Lyme Connecticut would refer to Manouck knee around 1880's. Ozzi the Iceman, found in the Italian Swiss Alps 20 years ago, died there 5000 years ago and.. had Borrelia burgdorferi. This invisible affliction has been with humans for millennia.

My herbalist said to mix 1 gram of vit. C, Himalayan salt and oregano oil, 3 times a day.

Excellent comment, Bladdy Blah.

I am so glad you encourage people to not forego the antibiotics (they are inevitable with Lyme) and to seek the advice of an LLMD.

Many of the on-line Lyme groups out there are able refer you to Lyme knowledgeable docs in one's area (via PM), but for the most part, don't expect it to be the holy grail.

First, your insurance company will not pay for anything but the most basic of treatment. You will be on your own paying for it because the CDC does not recognize chronic Lyme as a viable health issue. Thus insurance companies consider any treatment to be "unreasonable" and will not foot the bill.

Second, this is not a one size fits all health treatment. Each of us has not just Lyme, but usually a host of co-infections. Moreover, borrelia and babesia and bartonella all have different strains, some strains of which are not even identifiable through the Igenix test. So your LLMD will be adjusting treatment accordingly, and it is a long haul.

Herbs and homeopathics are not effective with this rigorous bacteria--as a first line offense. I agree with Bladdy Blah, I have never seen anyone get completely well with anything OTHER than antibiotics. In fact, people get worse. So avoiding antibiotics is just postponing the inevitable.

Once it became clear to me what I had was Lyme, I immediately started following the protocol of Dr. Marty Ross on-line, until I could get a doc in my area. This meant ordering antibiotics through pharamacies online (New Zealand) and I'm so glad I did. (Less time for the whole little ecosystem in my body to multiply and grow.) Once it was confirmed through Igenix that I did in fact have Lyme and co-infections were suspected, the treatment began in earnest.

According to my doc, I have probably another year of antibiotics. I got Lyme in 2012. So prepare accordingly. Lyme hides, so even if you get a reduction of symptoms, unless you are on antibiotics that address the 3 forms of Lyme, you will have plenty of cyst form Lyme waiting to reappear.

There is great news, though! Everyone I know who started treatment gets back to themselves--eventually. So hang in there! And do watch the Under Our Skin documentaries--although I don't think they are "free" anymore, unfortunately. But anyway, look at the update on the people from the first documentary. OMG!!

Finally, reiki...acupuncture...energy healing, all wonderful additions when the worst of the herxing from antibiotics is over. I am getting ready to start reiki and will incorporate it into my repertoire as I finish off with the antibiotics.

Thanks, Art. That is helpful! I appreciate your posts on colloidal silver, by the way!

Nelda,

If that is the total ingredients in your run and you are not using heat while processing, then you should be making ionic silver that should look like clear water.

Art

Art,

I make silver at home with a generator. Just the silver rods, electricity, a bubbler and distilled water. Does that mean I am making nano or ionic?

Glen,

You said,

'I'll be taking big doses for a month or so, and normal amounts for probably the next several months after that.'

Could you tell us what doses you will be using exactly? Since you are making the silver yourself, can you also tell us if you are making ionic silver, nano silver or another type and at what parts per million? This information will be very helpful for anyone who wants to try to repeat your positive results! Lyme is a serious disease and anything that is effective as a treatment is highly desireable and I'm sure many readers here would appreciate that information.

Thank you.

Art

Let me just say that many of you have it wrong. Colloidal Silver *can* cause argyria, you just have to take massive amounts and probably for a long period of time to do it.
Does that mean it is unsafe? Well, water is unsafe if you drink 2 gallons a day. Do your research, buy your own colloidal silver maker (you'll spend that much eventually on the bottles if not), and be prudent. Don't take massive doses for long periods of time. Somewhere there is a chart that shows the amounts you can take for chronic conditions (and for how long) vs. the amount for daily maintenance. You're basically concerned with lifetime accumulation.
I own a silver generator, and after contracting Lyme recently was able to knock it down to nothing with one dose. I'll be taking big doses for a month or so, and normal amounts for probably the next several months after that.
Good luck...

HI U MAMA,,,,,,,,,, our boy, Mitch, worked at the farm with us today. When cutting cane along the creek he failed to see a black snake above his head. When he cut the cane it fell on his back and naturally scared his mule.

We watched as the snake climbed back to the top of the cane. Why it needed to be in the top of the cane is beyond me. Maybe to catch a bird.

In my youth, I had snakes fall into our boat while we were frog gigging. They would not hurt you, but would make you hurt yourself. We never killed them as they serve a purpose.

I have oregano, so I'll try that on my next tick bite.

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Dear ORH,

I think that the DMSO and silver sounds great for tick bites. I have found colloidal silver to be wonderful for tick borne diseases ( Colloidal Silver healed my dog of Ehrlichia when doxycycline did not.)

I had a deer tick on my leg for almost 24 hours. I thought it was a mosquito bite because it was itchy and I just wasn't paying attention. Then when I had on reading glasses, I could see that little tick. I put a drop of diluted oregano oil (25% that I keep in a bottle in my bathroom) on the tick. After a few minutes I removed the tick. The oregano oil also stopped the itching. I have no swelling at all today;I can hardly find the bite now. Usually I just use Apple Cider Vinegar on tick bites and take turmeric if the itch bothers me. I am going to experiment more with oregano oil for the tick bites. I just don't like the smell, but it will be worth it.

Timh mentions Echinacea, which I think Dave has also suggested for it in the past. I agree that this herb or a whole host of different immune supporting therapies (like high dose vitamin c) have much promise in dealing with and preventing Lyme.

Teasel root is also gaining a reputation for healing chronic lyme if it should come to that.

~Mama to Many~

... and taking a few capsules of Echinacea / Goldenseal by mouth a few times would help quickly rid any infections before they become strong & chronic. Echinacea (Purple Coneflower) was used extensively by Native Americans for poisonous snake & insect bites and Goldenseal was used for infections. Out west, the herb Chaparral (Creasote Bush) was used by Native Americans for all manner of illnesses, and is now regarded as a most beneficial herb for infections, parasites, snake & insect bites, is potent antioxidant, and one of my favorite herbs.

HI U OLE PATOOTS DOIN,,,,,,,,, getting a tick or two every time I work at our farm. Had ticks all my life, but that was before our Defense Department let the Lyme disease loose at Plum Island. Now a tick bite makes me nervous.

Here are my thoughts.......... spray the site with Silver Nitrate followed by a DMSO spray. I think both of these will also kill the tick and hopefully the disease. I would like the smart folks on EC to respond to this. I can start confusion, just most times I can't finish the subject. SJS.

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HI YA'LL DOIN,,,,,,,,, late to this series, but watched one program and now convinced that owning this program is equivalent to having the cancer program we bought a few years ago.

So I bought the entire program. What got my attention is Lyme almost always infects the brain and the MD I watched got into this accidentally by treating kids with mental problems. He learned that almost all had one of the Lyme problems.

I was told that Plum Island, where the US developed all their germ warfare bugs, is just across the bay from Lyme, Conn. Imagine that? The facility has now been moved to Kansas. Can mark that state off as a place to live or visit.

As POGO, the possum said, " WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US".

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Have you been checked for lyme? This disease is becoming very common and its really nasty to try and treat. As you are finding out, there are very very few doctors qualified to treat lyme correctly. Most doctors are less than useless when it comes to deadly diseases like this. You must study and become an expert yourself. Not much choice about this one.

The first contact of anyone having this disease was in the old town of Lyme, right across from Plum Island Animal Research Center.. Plum Island Disease, oh I mean lyme disease is a multi-bug stew of some of the finest nasty organisms money can buy. Ones that take great pride in waging war on mankind. You gotta love em 'because they are sooo good at what they do, they are a billionth of our size and they are beating us!.

Hhhhmmm, not for long! if you do find you got a lyme infection you will quickly learn what a battle is all about! so let's start kicking their little behinds!.

First off, you need good information. a hallmark signature is denial. We know nothing. Your disease does not exist. Go home and take your psyche meds. Just a few short years ago doctors were telling us there is no such disease as lyme disease. hmmm, they said that with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome too. Seems they are saying it right now with morgellons..

Well, regardless of all else now the task comes of stopping the bugs in this bug stew. Each one of the various organisms must be addressed. Leave one out, forget to treat it and you wont be cured..

The best total treatment programs are all off shore. therefore pack your toothbrush in a bsl-4 toothbrush holder since its hazardous and go to mexico for a health treatment vacation. The treatment of choice is called extra corporal blood oxgenation and ozonation eboo for short. This highly advanced state of the art medical technique does not exist for Americans since our medical freedom is rapidly dwindling away..

Other forms of ozone therapy that are less powerful and less effective can be commonly found but not eboo..

What is eboo? It is like this, think of a kidney dialysis machine with a twist, one that draws blood out of the body, runs it through filters then sterilizes the blood by filling it with oxygen in a highly germ killing form called ozone. No virus ever found can withstand blood ozonation. It fries even the most aggressive of virus or cancer cells in seconds. Many who have a serious disease like hiv, ebola, cancer, lyme have recovered in less than 2 months..

As for lyme treatment, regular physicans are less than useless. chronic lyme? we never heard of it. it says here lyme only takes two weeks of antibiotic then if you think yourself not cured it must be your imagination.. Yeah right, lyme is a lifelong disease unless you learn how to defeat it..

To attack a lyme infection, you gotta do everything right or the bug is gonna win. You got to follow an anticancer / antiviral diet. you got to use blood sterilization techniques such as eboo or if it is not available other blood ozonation techniques or uvbi. ultraviolet blood irradiation works quickly to destroy harmful microorganisms in the blood that your immune system cant get rid of..

You got to eat tons of coconut oil as it is antifungal and antiviral and spread it on your skin as it absorbs through the skin. Certain types of virus like hep-c and hiv are lipid envelope virus. Medium chain fatty acids found in coconut oil act like detergent on them weakening their cell wall..

Now, the same bug that causes innumerable problems, mycoplasma fermentans, is found front and center along with his little buddies in lyme. I post frequently about mr "mike o plasma" as he is a very accomplished microorganism. Je should be in the germ hall of fame for having created the most weird symptoms from the same organism. You can go to a doctor and he says you have ten different diseases when really you have one bug with many symptoms..

The way to give mr mike o plasma an eviction notice is with doxycycline like dr garth nicholson mentions taking, plus serrapeptase a systemic enzyme that attacks a wide range of pathogenic organisms found in the blood..

Serrapeptase eats biofilm. Lyme disease hides in biofilm. Without serrapeptase you will never be free from lyme or anything else as biofilm will act as a reservoir for the germs to hide from the immune system..

When germs are attacked they run and hide in their little biofilm fortress. There they are 1000 fold more antibiotic resistant. Doctors who foolishly throw antibiotics at a biofilm ridden patient waste their time. The biofilm dwelling germs just wait for their opportunity to attack another day..

A really cheap thing that helps tremendously for lyme is mms chlorine dioxide.aNd mms-2 look both of them up.

Mms-2 creates a different chemical hypochlorus acid which is one of the most lethal germ killers known to science. The immune system is able to make a wide variety of germ killing chemicals to defeat various types of microbial threat.

Hypochlorus acid is one of the most potent if not thee most potent germ fighter known. you probably have heard of swimming pool shock right? well believe it or not the immune system knows how to make the same chemical. Thats right your body knows how to make a microscopic amount of hypochlorus acid aka swimming pool shock. hows that for shocking?

See jim humble for details mms-2.

This stuff only costs about 30 bucks but it is worth about 30 million if you are suffering from lyme etc.

Another thing so new you won't find much info on it is gallium nitrate. this stuff will soon be your best friend since it is able to stop mycoplasma and a huge number of pathogenic nasty beasties associated with lyme.. I consider it as absolutely essential in lyme treatment.

The mycoplasma element in lyme can also be attacked by blood electrification one of the cheapest yet very strong methods for lyme treatment. The vast majority of lyme sufferers discover blood electrification only after long years of misery from other lymies. This treatment is hot! it works.and you need to become an expert with blood electrification devices.

Do not expect a cure by chemical means alone, blood electrification is an essential part of a total treatment program and doctors will never tell you about it..

In a nut shell here is the gig. Virus and other vicious beasties found in a lymies blood do not like to be electrified.

It gives them an attitude adjustment in a hurry!

Viruses depend on surface proteins to develop adhesion molecules by which to attach to a cell they wish to infect. When their protein coating is disrupted by electrification or by attack with systemic enzymes like serrapeptase they become unable to infect cells thus they die out and you get your life back.

This principle works with many other virus types such as hiv or hep-c and cancer cells.

Now both methods are very much needed enzymes plus blood electrification for best results.

Enzymes are expensive but blood electrifiers like a bob beck unit etc are a one time investment so it ends up being the cheapest option where chronic disease is concerned.

The spirochetes in lyme don't like enzymes chewing away at them and they dont like a too salty environment. some people have killed off the parasites with almost dangerously high amounts of salt plus vitamin c but its not without risk. salt is hard on your kidneys.but lyme is even harder.

Education will set you free, study and regain your health..

Hope this helps. See ya

Ps cancer tutor has good info on lyme disease.

There is a Chronic Lyme Disease Summit running on the Internet 4-11 April 2016. So much to learn from these presenters, especially Dr. Conners about the 3 stages of Lyme.

My 32 year old daughter has chronic Lyme and is overwhelmed with where to start with treatment as she has not found a qualified Dr. As with most, there are other co-infections, including severe mono. She was put on 10,000 IU of vitamin D but Megan mention Lyme like this. At the moment the Vit. D is the ONLY thing that helps her to be able to get out of bed. Please help direct me to info of how Vit D and zinc are negative.

Goji berries are part of the nightshade family, too.

Inflammation from all causes involves certain cytokines (chemical messengers). Some simple herbal blockades of inflammation I have found very useful are Nettle, Frankincense, Chinese Skullcap, Safflower petals, ginger root, Turmeric with a little black pepper, celery seed extract (homemade with Vodka) and borage oil with either wild fish oil or grass-fed beef fat (can be kept frozen). Hope this helps, Love in Jesus!

I want to try the bloodroot but the bottle says external use only. This scares me. Does it need to be taken on a empty stomach?

BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS

Good one. I used the salt c protocol but it was hard to stick with. I also took antibiotics, I did not erradicate it though but got somewhat improved. I had eaten pumpkin seeds and had an herxinheimer reaction very constipated from the die off, as I found out can cause of crohn's and GI problems.

I believe spirochets are to blame for this, I'm on a laxative to eliminate the toxic die off which causes major brain fog and can cause breathing difficulty as it did last night, I also coconut oil and echiacea and golden seal but I'm continuing to get more better though it is not shown much in my blood now.

I can't believe I forgot about Lyme disease and this may save me- it is a hell like you described and I will get right on it!! I can barely shower or do anything and the mind wants to but the body is no!!

About 8 months ago, I received the alarming diagnosis that Lyme Disease had been found in four of my organs. I had traveled to see a well known alternative doctor in South Florida and, regrettably was not able to return for follow-up visits. I did, however, agree with the diagnosis and was having terrible brain fog, emotional issues, lapses in memory and chronic diseases. I later found another alternative doctor who prescribed hydrogen peroxide therapy and another product. There was rapid improvement in my mind and body but I've had to quit the product because it aggravated my IBS symptoms.

The hydrogen peroxide baths and taking it internally have done miraculous things for me.

Here is the protocol for Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy using 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide: HP baths: ( 1 to 2 cups of HP in warm water for 20 minutes 2 times a week. Oral HP. Begin with 1 drop of HP 3 times a day, gradually increased to 25 drops 3 times a day.

It is essential to use spring or rain water for the baths. City water or other treated water is NOT recommended and is counter productive. Because I couldn't find options, I did try one bath in city water but it aggravated my eczema. I live in Tennessee and I have a TRUE friend who is willing to have me come to her house to bath in her spring water twice a week. I have not been able to make my visits due to schedule conflicts and now I am hurting again from the Fibromyalgia and other joint pain, although the brain fog is still much better.

Note: I always precede the oral treatment with a bit of crystalized ginger as it can cause gas and sometimes a little nausea. I also use plenty of moisturizer (coconut oil) following the baths to avoid dry skin.

I am leaving for a few months to care for my mother, but I will have to find a way to take a bath in purified city water. I have a large shower in my mother's house but I have to be creative. I am thinking I will purchase a small cattle water tub to use in the shower area. I will use prill beads to purify the city water then heat that water with a water tank heater like farmers would use, or a with crock pot beside the tub. I don't want to make the water too hot as it may diminish the effects of the hydrogen peroxide. The tub will need to be portable but not metal as prill beads ( magnesium oxide) can be corrosive.

There is lots on the internet on Prill beads.

Lilah, may I recommend you begin taking coconut oil, a tablespoon a day and maybe progress your way up to two. Also get a B-complex vitamin to give you some energy. Take one in the morning and one along with your evening meal.

Begin a walking routine -- this is very important. Try to go a half-mile and stop and rest if you need. Eventually work your way up to a mile in the morning and one in the evening. If you cannot go out for a walk then walk around your house. Things will improve with exercise.

Totally understand. 23 yrs of unfathomable pain. Supplements didn't help me. Vit c may have helped my adrenals a little, liposomal is the best but expensive, synthetic ones are made from corn often, I found a whole food one. It won't be enough to kill lyme. Are you looking at an antibiotic protocol?

Hi,

I have lyme and my neck really hurts, it feels gravelly neath the skin crusty under the skin and painful, my neck jerks at times. I am also super tired and not sleeping well. I feel kind of achey and almost virusy, no fever or coughing.

My head droops, I don't use recreational drugs or booze ever and have not for a gazillion years. I do take gabapenitin, 150 mg for mood problems and 87.5 of trazodone both before bed, and deep sleep 2 -3 caplets with passion flower, valerian, etc and sleep thru 1-2 capsules.

I also have poor digestion, lots of loose very stinky stools big dumps of poop, mostly loose occas actual diahreah, a little constipation at times, reflux, occas heart burn, bloating, belching bad breath ibs. I am pretty sure I have parasites, itchy anus, feel hungry after I eat, I eat zero sugar ( I do eat fruit, or honey etc, no flour no wheat almost no soy, no corn, no junk food.

I have neuropathy in legs lower part, not from diabetis, very itch scalp, skin is too pale, dont feel I get much nutrtion from my food, tend to feel resentful and angry and loads of anxiiety that is always there, have lots of mercury fillings, trying to get money to have a holistic dr remove them.

I have long term vaginal infection, not sexually active with others for many years, mostly the pain and diges problems and exhaustion is wearing on me.

I have tried salt and vit c, does it need to be a certain kind of vit c, or do you have other suggestion, I feel so tired and scared. I don't have alot of money and taking loads of supplements has not helped. Any ideas would be most appreciated.

Thanks, Lilah

Do you have Collembola too? If so, what do you do?

Thought I'd give an update -

Last night I had extra spicy Chinese, and then drank a (tea) mixture of turmeric, cayenne, ginger, cinnamon and coconut oil. Just threw it together and got it down.

A few hours later, a very thorough clean out (bm). Today I feel great! I keep craving the coconut, I am very convinced the Lyme has a co-infection of parasites, and to really get on the road to recovery, removal of the parasites is a must. I really should get some pumpkin seeds to help with this.

At any rate, since I am unable to do my zapper (breastfeeding baby and unsure about passing bad stuff along) I am doing the heat and the anti parasite. I highly recommend the zapper as #1 defense, but I will personally have to hold off and work with food until baby is weaned.

In June of this year I was bitten by a flea removing a dead rodent from the property. A month later (after bloodwork) I was diagnosed with Lymes Disease. The antibiotic they put me on required me to stop breastfeeding. It was traumatic and the medicine made me very ill. After 4 day and 6 pills later, I quit.

I decided to treat the Lymes as a parasite, rather than a bacteria. I used my zapper for four days until the medicine was out of my system, and went back to breastfeeding.

Heat has been my best friend ever since. Hot drinks, hot weather, hot spices, I am having great luck with cayenne, garlic and ginger. Am heading to the store now for coconut and almonds. Anything with heat, folks, will kill your Lyme parasites. I was at the point where my arms and legs no longer functioned, I couldn't hold my children and I couldn't form a cohesive sentence. Heat, heat, heat!!!

I went to the emergency room..I was in sooo much pain.

I stumbled upon this site and am absolutely thrilled to see the success stories and that others can relate to this horrible disease....I've felt so alone for so long, no one understanding anything of what I've been going through these years. I had not heard of 'herxing' ever until here. After reading everything from everyone, I ordered the following via online, U.S. grown and cultivated, organic and just started yesterday: Cat's Claw, Andrographis, Blood Root, Sarsparilla, Cherry Glutamine and restarted my B12, Fish Oil, E and probiotics. I'm starting slow, cautious but determined. We don't have a lyme specialty doc here, but I did do oral abx 30 days and the following month a PICC line with Rocephin. During the third week, started to get some energy and slight mental clarity, but crashed during the final week. After treatment, blood tests showed still-high inflammation, low electrolytes (?) and liver levels still elevated. Doc said it would take 6 months to 2 yrs to feel better and discouraged me from seeking any "Lyme Doctors". I had no idea what she was talking about until I finally did some research (I've been avoiding internet research not wanting to scare myself even more). Fed-up, not wanting anymore abx, I found you all through a friend. I will keep you posted. And hope to see more success stories on here. Thank you all so much!

How and where did you get this specific of testing done? I can't find a Dr.willing to test my mother for anything this investigative/ detailed. Thanks

Thank you. I have neuro lyme. I got bit by a tick 10 years ago I'm still trying to find a line literate doctor but my holistic MD has me on oral antibiotics for at least 6 months but did not believe that I had neurological signs so I went to an infectious disease doctor who put me on IV antibiotics for 1 month I'm on my first week and I already feel waves of feeling much better and worse of course I'm also looking into Coconut Oil as treatment. I need an appointment with a doctor who is supposed to be into treating lyme but is known to put you on a lot of antibiotics for a long time. I'm trying to use natural and conventional medicine to get better I have a long list of supplements and natural things I changed my diet a lot and try to avoid sugar completely without feeling overwhelmed I study almost everyday for hours. Blood root is one of the few things I have not tried yet. I would love to hear Ted's input on chronic neurological lyme. Or lyme at all... And if anyone is reading this who needs help please watch "under our skin" -- it is a wonderful one and a half hour documentary you can find on youtube.

Interested in acupuncture comment. My acupuncturist wants to help my lyme but isn't savvy as to how.

Hi, about the lemons or lemons and oranges. Does one have to fast? And if I do the vit c and salt, do I need to fast or can I eat and just take 8 grams of vit c and sea salt, unrefined. My neck hurt a lot, is jerking and feels gravelly and like there are shards of glass in there and it feels crusty.

Does anyone live in the Boston area and have a colloidal silver generator I could use, as I ca'nt afford one right now and does anyone know if there are any dentists that know how to remove amalgams that take mass health? Thanks, Yekara

I have Lyme, and have probably since I was a teenager. I had a few neurologic symptoms at that time and rode horses in MN - covered with ticks all the time. The Lyme came out post pregnancy when I was 32 (of course it was diagnosed as fibromyalgia), and I was perfectly fine until then. Another baby, and boom - could hardly work, going blind, seizures, etc. Terrifying. 7 years later, I am doing pretty well.

In the beginning, you need to go to a Lyme literate MD, I repeat MD, not a holistic practitioner. This bacteria is too evil and gentle remedies will not work. I did 7 months of IV, and when your Lyme has become neuro and has passed the blood brain barrier, that is likely what you need. To find a doctor, contact ILAD. You must find a good one that knows how to treat Lyme. After the IV, I wasn't 100% and continued pill ABX until 2 years ago. I was better and better, but still felt horrible the entire time I was on ABX.

Other things that help - I watched diet, added magnesium, fish oil, B multivitamin (methyl - we Lymies usually can't methylate), lower stress (acupuncture and meditation), enjoy the little things in life (which you will when you feel better! ), get your mercury filings out and DETOX. Lately I have heard Iodine helps a lot too (at high doses).

I reached the apex of conquering this awful disease when I started acupuncture - that has helped me so much with remnants of pain and fatigue. I don't think without all of the invasive ABX and IV etc. that would have been enough, but it has gotten ride of most of my pain, fatigue and brain fog. If I had to take ABX again, it would be part of my regime. Somedays I would say I am at close to my former self - 98%. I still need a lot of sleep ...

So, you can do this. Just keep at it. Everyone I know that has this disease that has really stuck to it has gotten their life back. It is awful and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Also, if you are planning to have kids, GO ON ABX while you are pregnant, or there is a 50% chance your kids will have it too (my son has Lyme - severe ADD). It won't transmit if you are on ABX while pregnant.

We are getting well and happy now after climbing a mountain I thought I would never get to the top of. STICK WITH IT AND CHIN UP!

You will come out the other side a more giving, compassionate and wise person.

I am currently taking a homeopathic nosode for Lymes, EBV and mycoplasma and am feeling a lot better.

I've had lyme 16 months that I know of. Been on doxycycline 6 months...helped but still sick. Started Biaxin and Plaquinil on the 16th of December and I feel soooo much better already. I hope it knocks it out all the way...

Lots of useless information. Does any one know what to do other than he said she said comments? If anyone knows of an effective TREATMENT / CURE please share it with us. Have a happy day and a merry Christmas, Robert LovemyAmber

Hello Gwsevt

On your quantity question...take three tablespoons three times daily. See effect after ten days. I've been on cs 20/years. Earth Clinic has a video of me making and discussing. Might be helpful.

Wow, thanks for all of this thorough info. Do you have a recommendation for a brand of CS to try before investing in making my own? I would like to see how it work for me first. Also it sounds like quite a large dose you are taking and suggesting, I have heard that there is a danger line in taking/using CS and crossing that can cause an overdose or bad side effects.

Wow. Thanks. I'll try the blood root & l glutamine right away. Thanks.

Rita: Thanks for the detailed post and congrats on your quest for remaining healthy despite the chronic infection.

I wonder if you have ever tried Zapping and Colloidal Silver??

I have lately been using Berberine/Oregon Graperoot for chronic infection w/ insufficient results, so yesterday I took some and fallowed a few minutes later w/ Zapper and got very good results. Zapping somehow (something to do w/ cell voltage) increases the effectiveness of natural and pharmaceutical medicines.

Have you tried Uvi Ursi?? I get very good results w/ U.U. in the bacterial category. Lately I take 2 or 3 caps every 2 or 3 days. Looks like I need to try the Bloodroot as you have had such success.

Raw Bovine Thymus Glandular helps build immune production. I also take DHEA 50mg daily w/ occasional Pituitary Glandular or Solaray's Mens Multiglandular.