Natural Remedies for Essential Tremor

| Modified: Dec 04, 2018
Essential Tremor Remedies

A condition with symptoms similar to that of Parkinson’s, essential tremor is actually a separate neurological disorder characterized by the rhythmic shaking of the affected body part. While the condition can affect nearly any body part, it most often causes shaking in the hands that make even simple tasks difficult to perform. Nonetheless, several natural remedies have been identified that are effective for treating the condition.

What is Essential Tremor?

A neurological condition, essential tremor manifests as an uncontrollable trembling or shaking. Symptoms typically begin gradually and worsen with movement. The condition often affects the hands first but can move to the head, voice, arms and legs. While the cause it thought to be genetic, it appears from Earth Clinic reader feedback that nutritional deficiencies, gluten sensitivity, and artificial sweeteners can also cause essential tremor.

Natural Remedies for Essential Tremor

Magnesium

Magnesium is the most popular remedy for essential tremor at Earth Clinic. Several readers have found that taking a magnesium supplement solved their tremor problem.

Avoid Aspartame

Aspartame is a neurotoxin. Unfortunately, this and other artificial sweeteners are common in foods and drinks. Diet sodas, "light" yogurts and ice cream, and a host of other processed foods and even vitamin supplements contain aspartame or other artificial sweeteners. Removing these from the diet has completely solved the tremor problem for some of our readers! MSG is another neurotoxin that should be completely avoided.

Go Gluten-Free

While not easy, it is becoming more doable to go gluten-free. And if removing gluten from the diet cures your essential tremor, you will be glad for the effort. This has cured tremor problems in some Earth Clinic readers!

Important Supplements for Essential Tremor

  • Vitamin C
  • Iodine
  • B-Complex
  • GABA

Additional Remedies for Essential Tremor

Fava Beans

Fava beans are a healthy protein rich with a variety of nutritional elements. The beans contain high concentrations of thiamin, vitamin K, vitamin B-6, potassium, copper, selenium, zinc and magnesium. These nutrients function to support effective neurological processing, which in turn limit shaking associated with the condition.

Mucuna Pruriens

Mucuna pruriens or cowhage functions in much the same was as fava beans. Cowhage contains a potent amount of nutrients that supports general health and treats a variety of conditions. This supplement also contains levodopa, a chemical dopamine in the brain that regulates the nervous system and helps treat the condition.

Lecithin

An essential nutrient, lecithin is a fat found in the cells of the body. Once in the cells, lecithin is converted into acetylcholine, a substance that transmits nerve impulses. As such, a daily supplement of lecithin can help improve nerve function and limit the side effects and symptoms of essential tremor.

Essential tremor is a condition that can make even the simplest of everyday tasks difficult. However, natural treatments support effective neurological function and limit the prevalence of the condition. Read on to see what remedies our readers have found helpful. Do you have a natural remedy for essential tremor? Please send us some feedback!

Additional Pages of Interest:

Side Effects of Aspartame

Shaky Hands



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Posted by Cathy (Biloxi, Ms) on 02/14/2014 1 posts
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Apple cider vinegar (1tbsp) in a glass of Orange Juice (with pulp) each morning for past five days has slowed my Essential Head Tremors about 70%. In addition, I have more energy and I have noticed my long hair hasn't fallen out in the shower (something that always happens). I discovered this remedy by accident. My intial purpose for taking the concoction was to slow my menstral cycle (which it has done successfully in the past). Please note that I am 43, college educated, and a breast cancer survivor (chemo and radiation was unnecessary due to diagnosis of dcis). I was afflicted with essential tremors a year prior to the brca diagnosis. I have been taking Inderal for tremors from the beginning with moderate results. But recently, my tremors have been so bad I have considered the possible need of a neuro exam...that was five days ago.

From personal experience, I highly recommend ACV with OJ for tremors, hair loss, energy, and heavy menstruation.

Replied by Lise
Fredericton
12/08/2016

Does acv alone would provide the same benefit? Does it have to be in OJ?

Replied by Carol
Grants Pass, Oregon
07/13/2017

I am 74 have had ETs for about 5 or 6 yrs now. Started in my hand then left and went to my head. Wasn't too bad to start but has gotten worse over time. Had a MRI of my brain when this first started Dr said it was ETs nothing else wrong. I think my mom may have had this too but not absolutely sure. Have taken Tremadone for about 3 years but not regularly 2 per day and not every day, so can't give a response for it's benefits but will try to take as told and stay away from coffee and other caffeine which really makes it worse


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Posted by Sue (LA, CA) on 03/16/2009
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Essential Tremors: You have nothing listed under Tremors. I am hoping your readers know of an answer. I achieved reduction in the tremors, but not elimination, via one cup of boiled fava beans per day, and now am taking Micuna Pruriens (from an Ayurvedic medicine store in Los Angeles) which has similar properties.

With the beans, boil the dried beans in a very large amount of water for at least an hour until they are a texture you like. You can store a large quantity in the refrig for convenience.


Dietary Changes  

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Posted by Queb (California) on 12/08/2016
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Had shaky hands and a slight voice tremor from essential tremor. Tried everything under the sun!

Gluten-Free... that did not help. High B2 doses, nope! Every vitamin combo you can name. No help.

As you all know this ailment is so frustrating and its a long road that just gets worse! I came across some research regarding brain using Ketones for energy through a ketogenic diet. A very low carb, high fat diet where your body/brain runs off fat. The brain runs much more efficient on fat. I've been on the ketogenic diet for 3 months and my tremors are down 90%!!!!!! I've been on earth clinic many times looking for the next advancement in tremor control. THIS IS IT!!!!!! DITCH THE CARBS!!!!! I CANT TELL YOU HOW HAPPY I AM TO RELAY SUCH POSITIVE NEWS!!!

Some days I do miss the chips, ice cream, sweets, but to be able to control my hands is so much better than a bag of potato chips. I'm not going to go into the details of the keto diet, but a simple google search will lead you to how to get started. I'll check back on here if you have any questions about my journey.

I went from having difficulty writing to having such steady hands! You would never know I had ET! MIND BLOWN!!!!! If you are looking for a solution, this is it guys. So Excited to share the news.

Replied by John
Arizona
12/09/2016

I have seen Ketogenic diets for individuals who have seizures, another neurological problem. Sounds like this diet can apply to those with other nero problems like tremor. Thx for posting your success. Amazing.

Replied by Demetri
Arizona
01/10/2017

How long did it take into the diet to notice any significant changes to your tremor? I have been on the Ketogenic diet for only 2 weeks so I don't expect a change so early but I'm curious to when I might see some change.

Replied by Roma
Minnesota
06/14/2017

My acupuncturist just recommended this diet to me this week. Thanks for sharing!

Replied by Arlene B
California
08/20/2017

Roma, have you had any reduction in tremors while using acupuncture? Anyone else try this?

Roma
Minnesota
11/25/2017

Arlene B., sorry for delayed response. I did not experience any reduction in tremors from acupuncture. However, it was very relaxing.

Replied by Lauren
Reno
09/02/2017

Thank you! I am well aware of the brain-gut relationship and have made huge strides in the direction of cleaning up my dietary act (gave up sugar and all processed flours and lost 60 pounds! ) but never thought about going the extra distance into Keto land for tremor health. It is SO annoying and embarrassing and has gone from "how do I ignore this?" To "how the heck do I get rid of this?"

Has anyone here tried CBD oil?

Replied by Ted M.
Lubbock, Tx
10/22/2017

!! WARNING!! Low Carb diets are known to help reduce weight, and according to this post, Tremors, BUT DO NOT USE THIS DIET IF YOU HAVE GOUT!!!

Replied by Dave
Lubbock
11/08/2017

I have bouts of gout and haven't noticed any worsening of gout from eating a strict keto diet.

Replied by Denise
California
11/25/2017

Is anyone still discussing on this thread? I am so desperate to talk with people who either experience some of the same issues, but are finding help through dietary, or home remedy. I just can't go with conventional medicine on the things I'm dealing with, especially these, two things:

Essential Tremor

Cervical Dystonia

oh, and not to forget the Acid Reflus/Silent Reflux (LPR) which is now almost 100% better just from leaving out some foods (at least I suspect that is why it's better, plus the fact I don't eat after 7pm.

I'm around if anyone wants to wants to talk, Denise

Replied by Diane
Bowling Green, Ky
03/19/2018

I have essential tremor as well. Have not had any luck with anything I have tried so far. I am on a ketogenic diet. While I love the other benefits of this diet, unfortunately, for me, no reduction in tremors. I do plan of trying essential oils next. I've read some encouraging things about them. Also, maybe the supplement skullcap if the EO's don't work. Fingers crossed on the oils, tho!

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/09/2018

Diane, I can't remember if I sent you a note before, I find it hard to understand the "layout" of this "forum".

I read somewhere here in the ET area about Theanine Serene w/Relora, and Acetyl L-Carnitine. I have several issues though so I have to make a diary on all I am trying now. These 2 things are the ones I got for ET, pretty sure. If you're still around, I'll keep you posted on how it goes. Denise

Replied by Be
Uk
04/14/2018

Hi DIane,

I have some sort of internal tremors going on for past 10 years, not diagnosed as it doesnt feel anything serious as none of the research added up to anything but stress related. A few weeks ago it felt like it was getting bad as became tiring and was going to go to doctor for tests however a consultation with my Ayurvedic practitoner advised me to take a tsp of scullcap 2x a day. I have been taking it for 4 days now and symptoms go when I take it. Still looking at other things. Also reflux is due to low Acid in stomach ( not high) - there is not enough acid in stomach to keep flaps closed - Avogel have a product to help that though there are remedies on this site too. Re distonia I would be tempted to try CDB oil.

I hope that helps.

Replied by Megan G.
Colorado
10/16/2018

Hi Diane,

I am wondering if you ever tried essential oils for your tremors? I use essential oils for everything under the sun and I am curious if you have found any relief? I am researching and looking into it for myself as well as my husband and father (Parkinson's). I have noticed a difference in mine a bit since I started drinking Ningxia Red everyday. I am willing to try any natural remedies and would prefer to stay away from medications. Thanks for any info you have!


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Posted by Leigh (Danville, Va) on 01/28/2011
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Benign essential tremors for me too.... For the past 3 years. Sadly, I'm a violinist and vn teacher, so this was the end of my world. I have been on topomirate (25mg) at night; primidone (50Mg)daily; plus many supplements. But recently I have noticed my tremors are almost gone since completely deleting aspartame (Diet Mt. Dews) from my diet. GET THE ASPARTAME in ALL FORMS OUT OF YOUR DIET!!!!

Replied by Richard
Austin, Tx
07/20/2013

Great point. Cutting out soda all together is not a bad idea, either. I have noted that my energy level and my tremors are reduced (but not eliminated) since I have been drinking 3 glasses a day of organic apple cider; organic lemon juice; and honey. It's amazing.


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Posted by Elsie (Madison, Wisconsin, Usa) on 09/06/2010
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Hi, I tried GABA (gamma amino butyric acid) in capsule and powder form. Don't know why, but when I tried either, a lumpy, squishy feeling occured in my lower esophagus. Worried about this, I stopped taking it--it didn't seem to help my essential tremor, though possibly because I did not stay on it long enough. That lecithin, is it from soy? I avoid soy as much as possible. (I'm 74).


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Posted by Daniellejudith (Edinburgh, In) on 02/10/2010

has anyone tried the ebook for essential tremors? my mother has tremors. i gave her a list to take to her dr this morning with some of the comments made on what can help with the tremors. she is diabetic also. she was taking propopanolol (spelling?) it was working but isn't now (i am assuming it's because she was taking it for a long time; a few years.) her dr increased her to 3xday(sorry don't know dosage.)i don't think that is a good ideal, but i'm no dr:-)

Replied by Nana Monster
Jamesville, New York, Usa
05/07/2013

My GP wanted me on Proponal 3x a day. It lowers your heart rate and I already have low heart rate. I didn't take it as I didn't want to end up dead. Today I went to a neuro and he wants me on another med which has some serious side effects. I want to stay herbal to which he poo poo'd me. I am chemical intolerant and he still gave me stuff without diagnosis.

Jim
Stockton, Ca
02/17/2016

A person near and dear to me drinks about 4 Diet Cokes (with aspartame) per day. She says she has "essential tremors" as did her mother. Her mother never drank Diet Coke and died at 76 of complications supposedly from Lupus. Maybe just get off the Diet Soda, and the body can heal itself.

Her tremors are so bad that she can no longer write legibly, and she says that they are beginning to affect her driving. Start with the easiest solution, I say, STOP THE DIET COKE. She, like Michael J. Fox, is addicted to the diet soda.

Replied by Gary
Wa, US
09/07/2014

We have a friend who we were surprised had what she called intentional tremors. She's probably in or near her 70's. I've been looking on the Internet and came across a product that apparently is working well for some people. It's called Tremadone. You might do an Internet search on this natural remedies product. Won't hurt to check it out. It's manufactured in the U.S. in California. Hope this helps.

Replied by Jill
Iowa
12/11/2015

I started using tremadone 2 months ago. I have ET in my head. They get so bad I had to sit or lay down to keep my head still. I tried propanolol, topamax, primadone, inderol, all without success and horrible side effects. The dr started me on botox shots in the neck every 3 months. 4000.00 a pop, could not afford it even after insurance. Tremadone has taken the tremors away apporoximately 95%. I only take one at night. unbelievable. Reading all your posts, I am going to try the gluten free route. Good luck.

Replied by Christine
British Columbia
04/03/2016

Hello!

I used Tremadone for 6 months, as well, abided by their suggested diet, all to no avail. I believe that I gave it a fair chance to make a difference. When you take a look at the ingredients, there really is no sufficient dosage to make any effect.

I too have tried Propranolol, after which I experience increasing fatigue. So much so that the fatigue created a much lesser quality of life than the tremors do.

Currently, I am trying Theanine Serene with Relora and Magtein, both from Source Naturals. After only 2 days, I have regained my energy and feel a good calmness. Hopefully, the tremors will decrease. So far, I do see a slight improvement while writing in the evening after a full day's work.

Good luck to us all with this challenging neuro movement disorder!

Many, many thanks for this wonderful website!

Replied by Clickrs
Warminster
07/06/2016

Hi, I am just ordered from Source Naturals, just wondering do you take the Theanine in the morning or evening and how many? Thanks.

Replied by Mar
Australia
11/19/2016

I can't get Tramadon to be sent to australia. Any suggestions please?

Replied by Clickrs
Warminster
05/11/2017

Unfortunately, Theanine Serene with Relora and Magtein have not helped with my head tremors. I have been taking them since August 2016. So I am going to try the high doses of Riboflavin/B2. Hope that helps, my doctor keeps pushing inderol, but when I did use that many years ago after 6 months I had to increase it so decided to find a natural way. Wish me luck I am also looking at CBD Oils, will try the Riboflavin 1st.

Replied by Charity
Faithville, Usa
05/11/2017

You might like John Bergman you tube videos on neck alignment that can cause tremors if it is pinching off the nerve supply. Love the guy.... learned so much!

Replied by Cindy
Pennsylvania
05/20/2017

Thanks. I will look into it.

Replied by Christine
Sicamous, Bc
05/24/2017
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Tremadone did not work for me at all. I tried it for 6 months.

Replied by Christine
British Columbia
03/15/2018
2 posts

I continue to use Theanine Serene 2/day, one with breakfast and one at supper.

The Theanine Serene with Relora, along with Magtein and additional Magnesium absolutely helps with tremors.

I am also taking CBD oil and will be taking Ashwaganda, as well.

I feel that you need to take a combination of calming supplements and adhere to a healthy diet. I will actually steer towards a more keto diet to see it it makes any difference. Definitely, if I ever ingest refined carbs, I do see increased tremors. Diet does make a huge difference.

Not one supplement alone will do the trick. I am seeing that a combination of calming and neuro effective supplements are needed.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/14/2018

hello christine,

Sometimes I'll read a post, then not be able to find it again. I just found yours that gave me hope as well as other's I've found;) I am just getting ready, literally, to submit my order for Magtein, and Magnesium Phosphate, or as it is called in a homeopathic by hyland, Magnesium Phophorica (spelling?). Feedback from you, or anyone else for that matter, very welcome. The Magtein I find I can actually afford is NOW brand.

Kt
Usa
10/15/2018

Denise,

Go to the top of the page and click "My Account" then select "My Feedback" and everything you have posted will come up. To follow posts, click the "eye" on the bottom right.

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/15/2018

Hi Kt, thank you so much! I've been researching which Magnesium is best for me, and found this info below. I want to get this one, and wondering about the dosage. Would it be different than the amount you suggested in the a.m. before food I wonder. Thank you again Kt, good to see you. I am taking all my sups, no shakies, so I think maybe it was caused by caffeine in my coffee. I am drinking it very diluted now. I know I need to just get off the darn stuff and will, I'm sure I will:)

Magnesium taurate -- Magnesium taurate is the best choice of magnesium supplement for people with cardiovascular issues, since it is known to prevent arrhythmias and guard the heart from damage caused by heart attacks. Magnesium taurate is easily absorbed (magnesium and taurine stabilize cell membranes together), and it contains no laxative properties.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/15/2018

Also Kt, I have the almanac "sample" only, haven't gotten the Kindle edition yet. Wanted to make sure I get the one you recommended. This one is by Lavon J. Dunne and it says it's the 5th edition?

Kt
Usa
10/16/2018

Denise,

I have the Nutrition Almanac paperback manuals. I guess you are looking online??

That fifth edition you found should be fine. Lavon J. Dunne is only shown on my third edition but John D. Kirschmann, Director of Nutrition Search, Inc. is shown on the ones I have so you are in the right ballpark!

KT

Kt
Usa
10/16/2018

I think we are communicating on two different threads?? I am trying to reply to the one you mentioned another magnesium supplement. Reading the description, it sounds like a good one but you need to pay close attention to the other ingredients in it. I don't know anything about it and everyone is able to tolerate different combinations more than others.

Capsules are a real problem for me. In the manufacture of a capsule whether gelatin or vegetable, a manufactured glutamic acid (MSG) is created. It is a nerve stimulant. By a piecemeal process of elimination I learned I am sensitive to the toxic effects of a capsule. For example when I ingest a Bromelain capsule I will experience prolapse but I don't have a problem with prolapse if I open the capsule and pour the contents in some food like applesauce. Ligaments hold organs in place. Hidden sources of MSG stimulate some nerve cells to death. The body is always trying to regenerate itself but there will come a time too much has been destroyed and will not be able to. The same thing happens to me IF I ingest the capsules for serrapeptase. I know it is the capsule. Like I know pepper will make me sneeze.

For well over two decades I've learned I am fine-tuned into some "inactive" ingredients that can cause me problems. Any combination can be harmful. I believe the people who went to the food industry to have them test their own products more than my PCP and the administration who is supposed to protect us.

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/16/2018

it's hard to find posts for me, but I'm getting the hang of it. My Mag. info is 2 or 3 posts up on the page I'm on (which was the link in my email for your last post to me).

Ok, on the book, it's on it's way, very good price, and the Mag. I'll just have to try. I am having bad shakes this a.m. but taking my "sups" the way it says to. I have not been taking my Mag citrate but started it again this a.m. Only 100mg though. I don't know that it will help. I want to be able to try more like you had mentioned the 500mg but a bit scared to try that with the citrate so will wait for my taurate to arrive.

Kt
Usa
10/17/2018

I would suggest you start low to see how you tolerate it.

KT

Kt
Usa
10/17/2018

Denise,

In my opinion you really need to stop ingesting the capsules.

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/18/2018

I don't know how to take them another way Kt? I'm interested in finding out though? Also, I am having terrible nights, well, exaggerate on "terrible" but I'm waking up frequently and wondering if I'm even getting into full REM sleep now. I also am having weird, and sometimes nightmare ish dreams. Any advice on that? I am taking just the Serene (Theanine with Relora) Acetyl L Carnitine, and Magtein at night, nothing else.

My dinner was salmon, and roasted vegies. I did a tsp of Coconut oil with an English Muffin lastnight too. I did have Ginger tea (home-made) but before dinner around 3 pm. My book hasn't arrived yet from ebay, and they say between the 18 and like a week later (can't remember the date offhand). Thanks for your replies Kt, it's good not to feel alone in this.

Kt
Usa
10/19/2018

Denise,

For your reply to me on the 18th:

I agree with Art, if something is working for you keep doing what you're doing except taking the mag citrate. The magnesium that you ordered, is it 500 mg. capsule or tablet?

I only took 500 mg. tablet just before meals until my neck healed.

Make sure your hands are very dry. You can twist capsules to open them and pour contents in some water to dissolve or bite gel caps to remove contents then spit the capsule out. You can cut tablets in half. Now I have mag oxide powder I dissolve 1/4 rounded tsp. in no more than 1/2 C orange juice or water before breakfast then sometimes a 250 mg. tab before a meal.

Before I eat anything that contains oxalates I try to take more magnesium before I eat. You can Google a list of foods that contain oxalates.

I am not troubled with tremors but I will get arthritis pain, kidney stones or gallstones if I don't get adequate fat and magnesium. You really have to experiment. My concern for you was stopping the tremors first that I believe has been proven to be a magnesium deficiency. Then learning to adjust with making food your medicine.

KT

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/04/2018

I have dealt with the tremors since 1988 when they really started effecting my head, but had started in my hands. My head shakes so bad now that I sometimes have a hard time brushing my teeth, eating, and I cannot put on any eye-makeup (vanity I know). Also, I notice it gets worse when I pull up next to another car and I think people are looking so I shake all the worse.

My hands are pretty bad as I cant write well at all, and when typing, or carrying a drink I sometimes start shaking just uncontrollably so I have to set the drink down. With tea or hot coffee this is no fun Im sure some of you know. I wont go on about it, but I am grateful to see all the info I can gather from others who suffer from this sometimes debilitating nerve disorder. Im assuming that is what mine is anyway.

So no meds for anything, I am 65, eat a nutritionally as possible, drink lots of water, take atleast a 2 mile walk 3 or 4 times a week, and do free-weights for strength training. None of which has helped my tremor so I am thinking deficiency.

So my plan of action to start (because now, after reading here, Ive decided I dont just have to accept this condition without trying something natural) with, will be from a post I read here. I ordered the supplements which one contains Acetyl L-Carnitine, and the other I ordered is a combination of Gaba, theanine serene, relora, and L-theanine.

It sure isnt going to hurt to try these things that are working for a few other people on this thread. I have a clean enough system that I will know if something isnt good for me, so I will take baby-steps and see how it goes. This thread is so big that I just plan to keep reading and especially want to understand more about a gluten free diet. I thought that was only for folks with celiac disease but if its helping others, than it would be worth trying as well.

Enough for now, and I am just grateful for all the folks that get on here and share because you all have given me some hope that I may not have to just live with this. Thank you all, Denise

PS I will be back after I have gotten my order on the 8th of this month, and started my supplements:)

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/05/2018

The Nutrition Almanac declares a mineral deficiency often results in illness.

Try taking 500 mg. magnesium on an empty stomach first thing in the morning at least 15 min. before you eat breakfast and then with your meals, making sure you get complete protein with each meal. Amino acids are found naturally along the intestinal wall and act as receptors for minerals. Minerals have to bind with amino acids for absorption. (Nutrition Almanac)

Our entire food supply has been tainted for decades and I believe that could be contributing to the tremors. Hidden sources of MSG are nerve stimulants. There are voluminous hidden sources of MSG in our food supply. I noticed a post to avoid aspartame. Aspartame and MSG have a similar chemical make up. CBN has done several news briefs on both.

Magnesium and vit. C are reported to offer some protection against nerve stimulants in our food. Ginger is calming for me and fights cancer.

I haven't had physical tremors but have had over stimulating brain activity due to stimulants in our food compounded by traumatic brain injuries and used to have a spit-fire temper. I also had IBS, degenerative disc disease and arthritis diagnosed. Magnesium, vit. C and ginger have been tremendous help for me in addition to avoiding the above mentioned.

I had to change my diet piecemeal, by the process of elimination for over two decades to start healing. I am now 70 and only have trouble with adhesions from multiple surgeries years ago and a severed lining to my G.I. tract. My PCP said that will never heal and his nurse said as long as I can evacuate I should be okay.

If I don't get enough magnesium first in the morning I will have arthritis aches, which is really inflammation from nerve stimulants...could have been from something I ate the day before. Turmeric and ginger reduce inflammation and are both reported to fight cancer.

There is no one-size-fits-all but I hope some of this information will help you. It's taken me a long time to learn how our food supply is making us sick but I have also learned how it can be used to help us get well.

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/09/2018

Ok, Kt, I read all of your post, thank you so much. I am a little confused about what type of Magnesium is best so I have Magnesium Citrate and I am just taking 100mg a day right not, no diarrhea issues but I realize that must be a pretty low dosage. I am 5'2" and and 136 lbs, 65 years old and exercise (walking) at least 3 times a week, sometimes more, sometimes less. Lot's of water, and watch my foods and that really started about 10 years ago.

I have acid reflux so that really started me eliminating foods, and I have the acid reflux under control. The "silent reflux" is also wayyy better but not completely gone.

Ok, so I missed one of the sups that a lady here on the thread mentions (soazburrolady) that has worked wonders for her husbands ET's. I thought I had everything but I need to also get Magnesium L-Threonine?? I need to research that though as it's another Magnesium. I am also getting Magnesium in the Theanine Serena, with Relora so I have to check these things out. For now, until I find out more from you and Art, or on my own "surfing" the web, I'll take these, as long as I don't have any adverse side effects;) Denise

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/13/2018

Morning Kt,

Something I am taking is giving me the "inside" jitters, tremor is better for the most part, but in the a.m. after I've taken my sups. I get jittery after about a half hour. I'm off the Mag Citrate, so I am not sure what's doing it. I am still doing my Blackstrap, 1/16 of a tsp of stevia in my coffee (which I haven't gotten jitters from any of the above before) and only 2, weak cups of coffee.

I didn't take my sups this a.m. just to see if the jitters are from the above though to be sure.

Any clues what I might be taking now that would give me jitters? Here's the list again:

  • Serene (source naturals, theanine w/relora) for tremor
  • alpha Lipoic Acid (for tinnitus)
  • blackstrap, 1 tsp (but try to get in at least 2 a day) spleen - never caused me any jitters before I started the above items
  • Acetyl L-carnitine (tremor)
  • B50
  • D3
  • vco
  • acv

Any idea on anything causing that jittery feeling? I haven't taken any sups this a.m. yet and not jitters.

Replied by Art
California
10/05/2018
416 posts

It should be noted that some people will not be able to take 500 mg of magnesium on an empty stomach without getting diarrhea. This may be even more of a problem with some forms of magnesium of which there are now easily more than fifteen different types. Two of the worst forms for diarrhea are magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide but other forms can cause diarrhea when taken at 500 mg on an empty stomach. I say this from experience in myself and others.

Art

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/09/2018

Hello Art,

I read a post from 2014 that Mag. Glycinate is best for not causing diarrhea? Also, right now I have added to my 100 mg a day of Mag. Citrate, the Magnesium that is in the Theanine Serene w/relora (and it is 300mg)?? It doesn't say what type of Mag. it is except it does say "as Magnesium Amino Acid complex". What do you think? I only started the latter today, just got it in the mail.

Thank you for all your help, but I know my body is only a testing ground for these things, but I am willing to try, with baby-steps, rather than take drugs right off the bat. Denise, Crescent City, CA

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/06/2018

Art,

Yes, thanks for clearing that up!! I am lucky it doesn't do that for me although the mag citrate is what caused me to have frightening palpitations and to be diagnosed with PVC. It is also what is used for a colonoscopy prep. I posted what happened to me somewhere else here on EC awhile back. I think under the A Fib thread.

I am able to tolerate magnesium oxide well in powder form and tablet. I also eat complete protein with each meal as advised in the Nutrition Almanac.

Personally I feel complete protein can only be animal protein because B12 is only found naturally in animal protein. I could not survive without meat and eggs.

Kt

Denise
Calfornia
10/09/2018

Hey KT and Art,

I just saw these replies and I think you guys are talking to me!! This is great, and first off, I can take magnesium citrate, and usually just 100 mg in the a.m. I don't know if I could increase that without the "other" issue though. I can try going up slowly.

I've also gotten the Theanine Serene w/relora and Acetyl L-carnitine and taking that. I'm only taking 1 of each though (TSwR tells you 2 a day is the dosage). Baby steps here;) I have so many issues, I'm all over this site. But I just can't stomach (literally)the drugs doctors want me to take. Not without at least trying natural remedies.

I need to go back and re-read each of your posts more thoroughly now, but wanted to get this posted in hopes you are still getting alerts;) Denise

Kt
Usa
10/10/2018

Hi Denise,

I have to apologize for my piecemeal posts. My concern for you was stopping the tremors first and because they have gone on so long it may not be a quick fix so the reason for the large dose suggestion on an empty stomach just before a meal. I eat meat and eggs. Diarrhea isn't a problem for me but I think that could be easily resolved by taking turmeric or eating a banana. The Nutrition Almanac reports amino acids are found naturally along the intestinal wall and act as receptors for the minerals. Magnesium has to bind with protein for absorption. I assume that must be why I did not have diarrhea.

I started taking a 500 mg. tab of magnesium before each meal years ago after I started to have so much trouble with my neck and the doctor I saw for my head traumas sent me to two neck surgeons after an MRI on my neck. That started me looking into nutrition.

I had a hysterectomy in the early nineties and was advised I needed to take more calcium for my bones. I started to eat a lot of spinach for the calcium. Previously I had multiple head & neck injuries that really never bothered me until I rammed my head into the door frames of our vehicles by using the step to get into them three different times because I'm short. After eating a lot of spinach I started to have grinding and "popping" in my neck that frightened me because I felt like my head was going to detach from my neck.

The NA explains calcium will not produce hard teeth & bones unless enough magnesium is taken. Too much calcium can contribute to kidney stones or gallstones without magnesium. I had a kidney stone so large it ripped one of my ureters.

Vitamin C is also important but getting C from orange juice has too many carbs. Too many carbs cause indigestion and that would take me into a whole different conversation. I saw a post by a doctor who went on a low carb diet just to lose weight and observed he no longer had indigestion. There is another post on EC about the summer my husband and I went on the free-range, organic meat and eggs and all the trouble we had. GMO's have infiltrated our food supply and cannot be avoided just due to wind and bird droppings.

I think it would be good for you to obtain a Nutrition Almanac. Everyone is different and you need to find what will work for you. I saw a report on the news that many are deficient in magnesium and getting it naturally is difficult so supplements are necessary.

There is so much more I'd like to share but with an ill husband my time is really limited and he does not like seeing me sit here so long. I can post this now because he was admitted yesterday to start his second infusion therapy.

I'll mention lemons are a good source of vit C and I just found an excellent report on lemon water and digestion but I am not sure about providing a link here, now. I think you can Google "benefits of lemon water" to get the report. I'll look into it after I submit this post and amend if necessary.

KT

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/10/2018

Okay Denise...I am sorry I am so piecemeal. "Citrate" is processed from corn and corn has been genetically modified. Monsanto's patented gene had infiltrated corn around 1998. All produce has been affected and makes assimilation extremely difficult.

The video "Food, Inc." confirmed our food was being engineered to last longer so grass-fed, free range and organic are no longer healthier and are more expensive.

I questioned a free-range chicken farm about their eggs because I had horrible heartburn after eating just one large hard boiled egg. They also fed their chickens some specially blended grain from the Amish that contained GMO's. It wasn't the fault of the Amish. They thought they were doing what was right.

My husband and I had more ailments when we tried to convert one summer to the alleged healthier way of eating. We both had more weight gain (I try to stay under 100 lbs.), heartburn...indigestion...reflux (whatever you want to call it, it's from too many carbs in the diet), constipation, kidney pain and bladder leaks. I believe I have another post here on EC about that.

About water...too much water flushes out the water soluble vitamins. The Nutrition Almanac says minerals help maintain "the delicate water balance essential to the proper functioning of mental and physical processes. They keep blood and tissue fluids from becoming either too acid or too alkaline and permit other nutrients to pass into the bloodstream."

It is just my opinion that drinking too much water is as harmful as the "fat-free" era, during which a lot of gallbladders were removed. The gallbladder needs fat to contract. I have another post here on EC about that too.

KT

Replied by Art
California
10/10/2018
416 posts

Denise,

If the product you are taking is the one from Source Naturals, the ingredients seem like they should be very relaxing and good for ET. I believe that the magnesium l threonate (Mag-T / Magtein) will be additive. Most Mag-T products suggest that you take 3 or 4 capsules per day.

Myself, I take Mag-T and Magnesium Taurate along with mag oil applied topically for general health and specific heart and brain health.

One other that you can consider is high dose thiamine based on this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29602891

They used intramuscular injections bi-weekly, but high oral daily dosing is likely to be effective also.

Here are two youtube videos associated with the study:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaIU3prQvg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmyDTOErEQ

Art

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/10/2018

Art,

Oh Lord, I thought you said addictive but yes, it is an additive that the lady that wrote about her husband getting rid of his tremors. She is soazburrolady;)

Ok, I will go ahead and get it as well. I am going to take the other dose of Serene tonight as I only took one yesterday, and none at night. I think that it is helping Art! I wont write much tonight, and I dont see the previous post I thought I submitted correctly. I had asked you about the Magtein being addictive, LOL!!

Anyway, sure appreciate all the info from you and Kt;) I will write more tomorrow. I want to tell you both about my doctor visit today. All I'll say now, as I am pooped out again, but a good pooped out from being busy running around living life today;) So what I want to say is, I am glad I am doing all I can to manage my own health, because I had told her I had a feeling of swelling in my spleen, or that area anyway, and she had forgotten about it completely.

I told her no worries because Im doing better. I felt like saying that I was doing better on my own than with the care I was being given here (or lack thereof). I'm really not bitter, I feel kind of blessed to be encouraged to do what I can for myself;) Denise

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/17/2018

Hey Art,

I doubt I can go the shots, not through my medical care (or lackthereof) but have you any info on Thiamine working (as you mention) as well? I'll do a google, etc., on it and see as I am just trying to find other things to be ready to try if over a month, 2, or 3 I don't see a good difference.

I read this today, and find it so interesting, and totally believeable. It makes sense because I know our bodies are no less than "amazingly created", imo;)

This should show a post by Cindy, let me know if it doesn't, anyone reading this;)

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/multiple_ailments6.html#tips_161481

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/10/2018

Ok Kt and Art,

I am going to study your info as I need time to really read it, and read it well. Two things did stand out right away. I am interested in the Nutrition Almanac, very much so, and Art, I am wondering about the "addiction" you meant from the magtein? It is expensive, and when I saw the dose being 3 per day just like you said, I already decided I wasn't going to take the much right off the bat. Did you mean it would literally be addictive in a bad way, or a good way?

The Serene is making me just that, feel very relaxed and even felt my tremor was almost non existent when I got into bed last night. This a.m. I felt it was better than it had been in a long time, just slightly, but a noticeable difference, weird, but possible I guess;)

Again I'd like to answer both posts with deserving replies so I'll do that in the a.m. I think tomorrow;) Thank you both so much!! Denise

PS I am doing the Magnesium Citrate 100 mg, and the Magnesium in the Serene which I mention is 300. No issues at all with diahrea so far. I do eat meat and eggs, the best I can get;) Mostly fish and poultry though.

Replied by Bill
Philippines
10/10/2018

Hi Denise...Here's what Ted from Bangkok says about tremors:

"A head tremors sometimes is a Bell's Palsy caused by certain viruses, or perhaps demyelination. Certain oils seems to cause problems in which case granulated lecithin, vitamin B complex may help. Antibiotics and certain meds may have caused it. Also heavy metals also shorts out and caused it too. Changing water source such as bottled water may help, and taking some chlorella supplements, every two days, plus daily magnesium citrate 250-500 mg a day, plus daily alkalization until both urine and saliva pH is 7, usually helped. I had other cases of tremors before, so it was the alkalization, metal chelation, and magnesium really did help. Although the person was a child and had leg tremors, but it's still a type of neurodegenerative conditions bough on by acidosis, heavy metals, and lack of magnesium. Vitamin B50, some vitamin C helps. It should be noted that most supplements ideally is taken only 4 or 5 days out of a week, but the chlorella and chelation remedies require more spacing between days. A milder form may be just a small amount of cilantro and taken every two days also does the job too. In a child it was only a couple of leaves of cilantro, but in an adult dose, they may take larger doses as per weight basis.

Ted"

Source: https://ted.earthclinic.com/cures/essential-tremor.html

I would also agree with Art -- you should take higher dose thiamine (500 mgs once a day with a meal). I would also take B50 Complex once a day as well because the B vitamins always tend to work better synergistically as a group rather than on their own.

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/11/2018

Denise,

I agree so much with the recommended B-Complex. The McGraw Hill NA by John D. Kirschmann and Nutrition Search, Inc. is available on Amazon. A local health food store might carry it. That's where I got my first one.

I want to mention I never had any heart problems until I took the mag citrate liquid prep for the colonoscopies. It was only then, while sedated, I was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat.

Awhile later after I heard a board certified neurosurgeon recommend mag citrate because it was more readily absorbed, I bought some and started taking it. I even informed a neighbor about it and he started taking it. I did not give my previous diagnosis a second thought. I was more interested in protecting my body & brain against the toxic effects of hidden MSG.

Some time after taking the mag citrate the neighbor and I both had frightening heart palpitations. Sometimes my heart "rumbled" frantically on & off. My PCP ordered a stress test and I was diagnosed with PVC (premature ventricular contractions).

After I spoke with my friends who had done research on "inactive ingredients" I was advised about the "citrate" and "citric acid" probably being processed from corn because it was cheaper.

In the production of ingredients, including amino acids, a manufactured glutamic acid is often created and is a nerve stimulant. In combination with others it can stimulate some nerve cells to death. My friends personally know the neurosurgeon who has written a book about the "excitotoxins" in our food and are mentioned in his book because he used some of their information.

It took awhile to get the effects out of my system after I stopped taking it. Just wanted to advise you that my friend, with a PhD., and her husband did a lot of research and investigation on alleged inactive ingredients in our supplements and medications. I continue to take the mag oxide several times a day with no problems. I feel they saved my life and even my marriage!

I must have provided something unacceptable because another post to you has been removed.

I feel it's important to note, not everyone can tolerate the same ingredients and because you are having a spleen disturbance I'd be cautious about combinations of ingredients you are taking.

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/11/2018

couldn't find my post to edit, but my mag citrate is naturalist brand. I didn't like the looks of the ingredients with the vegetable stearate I think it said, ttyl;) denise

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/11/2018

Ok, did take the time to at least read your post Kt, I want to look further at the Mag citrate now as I didn't mention yet I already have a pacemaker for a condition I was diagnosed with in 97. A 3rd degree AV node block so I have to pay attention to all the info I can get on this stuff. I feel a bit shakey this a.m. but no heart palps. It makes me want to stop the mag citrate though and will do that for now and see how things go. ttys, Denise

Kt
Usa
10/12/2018

The friends I mentioned doing research on ingredients started the site, www.truthinlabeling.org. They provide a list of possible hidden sources of MSG. When you reheat food...why leftovers taste so much better...you are creating more manufactured glutamic acid that stimulates your taste buds to want more. Those of us who were in the consumer group, NOMSG, recognize a variety of symptoms from arthritis and asthma to heart palpitations or road rage that are MSG reactions but because everyone eats differently not everyone will react the same way. It is a nerve stimulant, period and is the preferred method of killing the dogs that are used for consumption in Asian countries. They die of respiratory arrest with convulsions. Information obtained from Matulungin Publishing, Philippines.

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/11/2018

Ok, this will be short as I'm taking a gal-friend shopping today at 10;) but I did want to let you know I was reading your replies.

I have been on the B50 per another post I saw by Ted, he seems very knowledgable and want to try it as well. Just read another post yesterday about Riboflavin working for a guy that has Parkinsons. I don't think I've got that (B2) in my complex but I'll check. Cilantro I can do for sure, and haven't used much of that at all in the past, but will check it out as well. I'll give you the list of all I am taking. It's a lot of stuff, but I feel fine with no side effects like with the crud I was on for 2 weeks before I headed for EarthClinic;)

Started doing every one of these on 10/9/2018, but had used the Blackstrap and D3 a couple weeks earlier:

Blackstrap Mollases

VCO

ACV

All sups are Source Naturals Art:

Theanine Serene w/relora

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Alpha Lipoic Acid

B50

D3

Magnesium citrate.

Today I want to get the Riboflavin, and the Magtein if nothing I'm taking has those already. Comments/feedback welcome. I don't want to overdo it but as I said, I feel good, no ill effects.

This belongs elsewhere, but my spleen area (I haven't gotten to be diagnosed yet) feels uncomfy, but that's why I'm doing the Blackstrap, and Ginger tea I make from the root (real deal).

I read an article on too much water so I think my 6 of the 8 ounces are good enough, and I don't drink anything with my meals, smaller meals, more often is working ok. Denise

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/13/2018

Hello again Denise,

Here is a link that may help with your digestive issues:

https://www.edisoninst.com/15-benefits-of-drinking-lemon-water-in-morning-empty-stomach/

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/14/2018

Good to know Kt, I think I've got those on the run, except for the spleen thing which I haven't had diagnosed, but everything I read points to that organ, and it's location.

Replied by Art
California
10/14/2018
416 posts

Denise (Crescent City, Ca),

The alpha lipoic acid is fully capable of causing that problem in some people with essential tremors!

Art

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/14/2018

Thanks Art. I don't think that's what it is though, since I did do that one this a.m., with no shakes. I thought it might be the blackstrap but took that too this a.m. The only ones I haven't this far through the day are the Acetyl L Carnitine, and my B50. About to take those now.

I still don't have the Magnesium Phosphate I want to get since trying some of a friend's, and I felt calm just in a few minutes. You put them under your tongue and they are by hyland. Also, I haven't gotten the Magtein yet. I can tell you that my tremor is definitely better than it was, and my feeling of more calmness is way better. I suppose it's interlinked of course, that if I "feel" more calm, less stress, less anxiety, my tremors would be better:)

Replied by Art
California
10/18/2018
416 posts

Denise,

It is better to stick to one regimen at a time and your current one has already shown itself to work in someone else and you are already starting to see benefit at a relatively early stage so I encourage you to stick with it for more time to give it a chance to work to the fullest!

Art

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/25/2018

Hey Art, and anyone following.

I wanted to give you an update since it's been 17 days of sticking with it all;)

The only issue I had that is negative is the shakey jitters and I have it pinned down to taking my supps without food. I've been taking them early in the a.m. when I get up, all of them, except the night dose which I have been doing for just a couple of days now, again, with no nightmares/vivid dreams. Yesterday I started SAMe for my depression which I've had since I was a child (a whole other story than my tremors). I now drink zero coffee, quit that 2 cups in the a.m. habit, and replaced it with Chicory coffee, I love it!! And yes, that could have had something to do with the jitters, although before I started supplementing, I never had jitters from those 2 cups, not that I remember anyway. Here is what I am taking each day now and I'll include the things I take that have to do with other issues: Theanine Serene w/Relora 2 per day Acetyl L-Carnitine 1 per day Magtein 1 per day B50 Complex 1 per day D3 2 per day Magnesium Citrate 1 per day (may not need this, not sure yet) Magnesium Glycinate 1 of 400 mg per day Alpha Lipoic Acid 1 of 200 mg per day Virgin coconut oil 1 tbsp plus (sometimes a bit more) Blackstrap Molasses 1 - 2 tbsp per day Ginger Root tea Home-made, 1-2 cups I think that's it, and like you say Art, I do want to stick with this for now, at least a month maybe longer.

I sleep wayyyyy better at night, amazing! More calm for the most part, tremor is sometimes so unoticeable but then it comes up when I am slightly agitated or stressed. Also, when I got that sicky feeling (kind of like hypoglycemic type) my tremor goes nuts. I do know all the things I'm taking are helping me feel more hopeful about my health. I still have my "full-feeling" in my spleen, and my tinnitus is bad most of the time. I still think all these things will eventually get better.

Kt
Usa
10/27/2018

Just an amendment to dissolving capsule contents in water. I was only thinking of magnesium in a capsule. Other ingredients can be poured in unsweetened applesauce. I am adamant about the capsule and combinations of other "inactive" ingredients could be contributing to the jitters you report. I drink more than two cups of coffee (not weak).You'll never know until you stop ingesting the capsules and it will take awhile to get totally out of your system. If you take anything that contains a hidden source of MSG, even a minute amount of citric acid, that could activate the effects of the capsules. Broken amino acids can also cause problems.

Additionally, when my husband's spleen was enlarged I was looking for information to help him. This is what I found: http://www.jpabs.org/view_issue.php?title=Some-effects-of-monosodium-glutamate-administration-on-the-histo-architecture-of-the-spleen-and-pancreas-of-adult-Wistar-rats

KT

Dardenel
Us
11/16/2018
36 posts

Hi Kt, Denise here, and I mention in another post that hopefully will show up here, I had to change my account. Anyway, I am overwhelmed by that link. MSG is in everything pretty much, and the conclusion on the tests are horrific:( I'm not sure how to avoid msg, totally. But you can be sure I'll be studying how to. Since this is the tremor thread, I will just talk about that for now. My tremor seems to be almost absent at times. It isn't 24/7 like it was. Mine is mostly in my left hand, and head shakes side to side. It's not shaking now for example, and my hands are doing fine on the keyboard. The left is a bit jerky. It's weird because if I am not thinking about my head shaking, sometimes I realize it isn't shaking. Then when I think about it, it shakes. I am having a lot more energy now with all I am doing for my tremor, and other issues. The 3 main ones are in order of importance to me, spleen enlargement, tremor, tinnitus. I take these things every day now but recently read where Ted says that supps shouldn't be done every day. I think he said 4 - 5 days a week?? I'll try to find that post from Ted. So here is what I take now: Tbsp ACV, tbsp EVCO, tbsp blackstrap molasses, home-made ginger tea, 2 parts chicory coffee + 1 part regular coffee at 2 cups. 300 mg magnesium twice a day as Mag. citrate and Mag. Glycinate. Just 100 twice a day with citrate. 1 x B-50 Complex, 1 x extra B12 5000 mcg, chewable, 2 x Vitamin C at 1000 mg, 1 x zinc 50mg, 1 x D3 2000 IU. This regiment has changed some in the 39 days I've been working on all of it. I have copied the books you mention and will take a look at those for sure, thank you Kt. I'm not having any side effects from anything I know of right now. Next stop, Tinnitus thread. It's way bad last 2 days.

Dardenel
Us
11/16/2018
36 posts

Apologies on all the replies, but I figure things out late sometimes..I want to add that from today on, I am going to open the capsule of the mag. citrate, and pour it into a bit of unsweetened applesauce that I have on hand. I won't be using any capsules unless they are vegetarian type after reading about the Bovine/gelatin. I just want to test this info out. Also, I am shopping gluten free after reading a couple of posts below. thank you again Kt, Denise

Kt
Usa
11/17/2018

I cannot take vegetarian capsules. Some may be able to tolerate them but I cannot.

KT

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/28/2018

In addition to separated B vitamins, broken amino acids can also cause problems when taken separately. They can offer temporary relief but long term...?? Glutamic acid is one that we recognize as MSG when it is a consequence of manufacture. An investigative reporter, formerly with CBN had been advised about that when he researched the toxic effects of aspartame and manufactured glutamic acid. They are chemically similar. "Excitotoxins, The Taste that Kills" is an informative book by Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. and another is "In Bad Taste, The MSG Syndrome" by George R. Schwartz, M.D. who wrote the Forward to Dr. Blaylock's book.

KT

Kt
Usa
11/15/2018

This is an update for my advising Denise/Art to eat a banana if one gets diarrhea. I have discovered that because bananas are cloned, they can cause problems with yeast infections. I have a short story about that but thought it best to give a "heads up" now. I was never a banana consumer but would eat them just because they were here when my hubs bought them. Before he got sick last Feb. we had stopped buying them because of the cloning news. Since he has been home, forgot about the news and started getting them again, I have only eaten three and now I am having a problem with yeast. Hindsight is 20/20...bananas were the cause in the past...when will I learn??

KT

Dardenel
Us
11/16/2018
36 posts

Hi Kt, I will try to catch up here, this is Denise. I had to change my account as the site wouldn't let me login, or post. Not sure what the issue was. Anyway, I'll just say for now, when you had mentioned ingesting the capsules, I thought you meant the whole supplement, not the gel container capsule. I'll see if this will post, and then hopefully be back to add more;)

Dardenel
Us
11/16/2018
36 posts

so sorry, I forgot to mention what is in the only gelatin capsule I have, which is the Mag. Citrate one. If I'm reading the label right, it says Other ingredients equals Gelatin (bovine) Croscarmellose, vegetable magnesium stearate. naturalist brand.


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Posted by Jon (New South Wales) on 10/19/2014
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Tremors are 100% gone after eliminating Gluten from diet. Woohoo

I reckon Gluten-intolerance is the root cause of many essential tremors. I have read Gluten may is indeed be a very common cause of essential tremors.

Even without any gastrointestinal symptoms you can have Gluten-intolerance/Celiac disease. I am very grateful I found out about Gluten causing tremors, very happy.

Replied by Jon
New South Wales
10/24/2014

Hi guys, here's another person who became tremor-free after eating a gluten-free diet... Linda Lapeer, Mi said...My daughter, is an active college student attending college and playing college volleyball. Last Sept, 2010 she was at a volleyball tournament and she developed a severe tremor in her legs...

...Long story short, I read the book and was given hope that there might be a cure for her tremors. I told my daughter that we needed to make an appointment with an environmental physician as well as start on an elimination diet, adding one food to her diet per day to see if different foods affected her.

On the diet, she ate only fruit the first day, then vegeys and finally meat. She was tremor free for a few days, then on day 4 she ate some whole wheat toast before volleyball practice and her tremors started immediately. We researched wheat and suspected gluten was the cause of her tremors. We experimented with other wheat products; pasta, bread, cake and they all caused her tremors to return.

It has now been 3 weeks, she has eliminated all foods containing gluten from her diet and her tremors are non-existent. We have an appointment with an environmental physician (basically an advanced allergist) in a month but I feel we have already found the cure.

I urge anyone that has tremors, tics, etc. To investigate their diet and environment before they decide that their condition is hopeless and there is no cure. Gluten has been linked to MS, tics, tremors, tourette's syndrome, cancer, autism, RA, ADD as well as depression.

Replied by Christi
Newkirk, Oklahoma
09/21/2017

Please consider that flour has BROMINE in it which most of the wheat products don't tell you about. There is a flour product that doesn't have bromine in it if you want to make your own food.


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Posted by Sid (Springfield, Mo, Usa) on 07/05/2010
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At age 66 I have gradually developed a tremor in both hands over the past 10 years. It was just something I thought was normal aging and mostly ignored it.

Two and one-half months ago my wife and I started taking 50mg of potassium iodide daily, and a month later made our own 5% Lugol's solution, taking 50mg a day of iodine in that form instead of the potassium iodide. Just a week ago she switched to four 12.5mg Iodoral per day and I continued with the 50mg of Lugol's internally, plus have been paint the palms of my hands daily with Lugol's solution. Additionally we have been taking 3000mg vitamin C, 400mcg selenium, 500mg niacin, 1,000mg tyrosine, 1,500mg DL-Phenylalanine, several forms of magnesium (magnesium chloride, magnesium asporotate, magnesium oxide), 50mg zinc, 100mg B6, 1000IU Vitamin E, 5000IU vitamin D3, a good quality health food store multiple vitamin/mineral plus 1 teaspoon of Real Salt. We just added a tablespoon per day in a glass of grapefruit juice of diatomaceous earth last week for the silica.

We started this regimen for a number of reasons. As for me, I would wake up tired and need a two hour nap every afternoon. I had no energy. I have an enlarged prostate. I have Dupuytren's constricture in the palm of both hands affecting the tendon of the ring finger. My memory kept getting worse. I have almond size cysts between the muscle and skin, one on my hip and one on my arm, plus a few other smaller similar cysts. I have trouble keeping my weight normal.

The first six weeks I had no side effects, but then developed pain in my kidneys and stiffness in my finger joints plus random weird feelings around my body, after which I upped the detox efforts (more magnesium, more real salt, added diatomaceous earth). The side effects are diminished to non existent now.

I have noticed that I can already straighten the fingers in both hands which I could not do before. The lumps in the palms of my hands are noticeably smaller. The almond size cysts are smaller but still noticeable. My energy level is fantastic by comparison to before; very few naps, plus plenty of energy for gardening and getting out. I am sleeping longer between trips to the bathroom, and am having mostly beautiful, intense dreams almost every night. My mood is now one of pleasure rather than dullness.

But the big surprise is that my hand tremors are suddenly 95% gone. I wasn't even paying attention but my wife pointed out to me that my hands were hardly shaking any more. I can hold them steady with no support; no more food falling off my fork; no more spills when I put down a cup. I can again sign my name and it looks like my signature. I wasn't going through this regimen for my tremors; but, I don't know which part of what I am taking cured them.

Tyrosine breaks down to l-dopa and dopamine. L-dopa can be absorbed into the brain, and along with B6 will then convert to dopamine. This may be what did it. But DL-Phenylalanine also breaks down into tyrosine so this is also probably involved. Plus the iodine, the deficiency of which I was treating, could well be involved. Plus iodine helps eliminate fluorine, bromine, mercury, lead, and arsenic which could be involved. I had been taking magnesium for years in a calcium/magnesium/zinc supplement, but in my new program I was taking more magnesium and in different forms.

I am sorry I can't be more clear on what out of the above cured my tremors, but the answer is in there somewhere.

Replied by Heather
San Diego, Ca
06/26/2012
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Thanks for posting this. I am on a similar protocol and also noticed reduced hand tremors.

About 12 weeks after starting the Lugol's, I too noticed pain in the kidney area. I stopped the Lugol's temporarily, reduced my protein intake, and the pain went away. However, during the intense pain period, I went in for an ultrasound and cysts were discovered on my kidneys and one on the ovary. Followed that up with an MRI and discovered the cysts on the kidneys were gone but that I had an infection above the kidneys, diaphram area, and was offered antibiotics to clear it up, which I declined.

Although I developed this alarming condition (kidney/gallbladder area intense pain flare ups) it occured simultaneiously with the clearing up of my years long chronic fatigue syndrome. One of my theories on why I developed the infection was that I'd centralized a body wide low grade infection. Another was that taking Lugol's internally was stupid and causing an infection.

One of the things that I think helped with the kidney/gallbladder flares was the olive oil/lemon juice detox (I did a two day detox which required juice fasting then no eating for 24 hours except for citrus juice and olive oil - then released at least a cup full of gravel/pea sized stones.)

I remain perplexed about whether Lugol's internally is a good idea but the infection is clearing up. I am still taking Lugol's internally, but just a little ( a drop of the 2% solution few times per week) and am also painting it, especially on areas with moles to see if they clear up. Considering also changing to iodoral. Would love to hear feedback from other readers on experiences with kidney pain after taking Lugol's.

But, as for the main subject of this post, my tremors also disappeared after starting the Lugol's and magesium citrate.


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Posted by Edna (Hayward, Ca) on 10/14/2015

Essential Tremors are sign of Magnesium Deficiency. Google Tremors, Dr Dean. Google Magnesium Deficiency.

Magnesium Glycinate is one of the best absorbed forms of Magnesium. Most everyone is low in Magnesium. Dosing 5x Elemental mg body weight in lbs. It will take time to restore Mg, so give it time, months. Other health issues would also be corrected along the way.

You could also add Mag L Threonate 2 caps a day, one at daytime and one before bed. 48 mg elemental Mg per cap. In combo with Mg Glycinate. Mag L T is the only form that would cross the blood brain barrier so this form of Mg could help the tremors in a shorter time.

Replied by Ralph
Wichita Kansas
07/28/2016

Where do I obtain the faster form from? My tremors stop me from going places. I'm ashamed of it because people notice and some laugh. that hurts.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
07/29/2016

Hi Ralph. Living in a rural area as I do, I don't have ready access to well stocked natural food stores. I buy almost all my supplements online. The Magnesium L Threonate is available on sites such as Amazon, I-Herbs, and Lucky Vitamins. There are different brands, but if I am allowed to mention a brand name, the one I buy is called Magtein (by Source Naturals). If you check out the section on "Essential Tremor", here on Earth Clinic, you will find suggestions for other supplements that may help you. All the best.


Posted by Thomas (Dublin, Ireland) on 09/23/2014

The best way to get magnesium is transdermal . That way there is no problem with stomach or diarrhea.

Ancient Minerals is a pure form and can be sprayed on skin or added to footbath.

Replied by Prioris
Fl, US
09/24/2014

Magnesium glycinate is a form that doesn't cause diarrhea. Also it can be taken with or without food.

Transdermal magnesium can irritate the skin in some people.


Posted by Toourlady89 (Ca) on 09/25/2013
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Magnesium works for essential tremors. The better choice of the several forms of Mg will be Mg Glycinate. Its absorbed well without laxative effects. I usually get mine on line. I used to have diffeiculty in signing my name, my handwriting was shaky. With Mg, it has come back to normal. It's important to understand that Mg will take time to build up in the system, so it could take months, but it will work. Most of the population are now deficient in Mg beccause of the quality of the food we eat causing many symptoms.


Replied by Dexter
Boulder, Co
01/20/2013

Helping my dad (til recently a very healthy active 88 yr old) who has had ET for many yrs (his mom had it, too) Doing things (eating, zippers, buttons, buckles, and more) has become difficult - slow at best. Recently chronic diarrhea caused him serious dehydration, and now his kids have become very hands on, realizing he has slipped a notch in the cognitive dept. He WAS taking a pile of supplements (re Drs Blaylock, Stengler, et al) and when I saw the amount of magnesium he was taking, I said let's give these a rest til the gut is stable. As I read here about control of ET with magnesium, I am stumped - maybe he should be taking it! I have felt like the diarrhea was a part of the bigger picture of ET, but clearly I'm no doctor. I do know it's possible to learn about things, especially with forums like this! Still looking - any ideas?

Replied by Rsw
Uniontown, Oh
01/20/2013

Hi Dexter, If you feel your Father would benefit from magnesium but would like to avoid the diarrhea that can come with it, you might consider a product that contains magnesium-L-Threonte, sometimes called mag mind or neuro mag. It is a form of magnesium that is able to cross the blood brain barrier and helps with memory, but will not cause the other side effects you may want to avoid. Best wishes!

Replied by Sue J
Perth, Western Australia
01/28/2013

With regard to magnesium, you can get a gel or an 'oil' (Google it) which is absorbed into the bloodstream through the skin and therefore does not affect the digestive system. Maybe this would be the way to go for your dad.

Replied by Sara
Austin, Tx
03/15/2014

Magnesium causes loose stool and diarhea. Calcium can cause constipation. There are supplements that contain both so it is balanced. Vit D helps with absorption. some have Zinc. Try a one pill containing all three.

Replied by Chazzer
Nantes, France
09/24/2014

Magnesuim oxide is laxative, but magnesium chloride is not. It's sold in Japanese shops as nigari, and used in making tofu.

Replied by Debby G.
Angleton, Tx.
12/09/2014

I have colon problems, 1 1/2 ft removed, so I have constipation problems as well as essential tremors. Currently I am taking 250 mg of Primidone and 75 mg of Topiramate a day and I still have bad shaking spells. I do not drink sodas but I do have 1 cup of coffee each morning but it is 1/2 decaf. I use an artificial sweetener which I will discontinue after reading this board. I am wondering which MG product would be best for my situation and would appreciate a reply. I really need some help here. Desperate I am..

Replied by Steve
Columbus, Oh
02/21/2015

I have tried Primidone with slight improvements, but stomach aches and fatigue. Also tried a barbituate which worked well, but I was exhausted (plus it's addictive). Dropped diet coke and my ET improved dramatically for months, but returned. I'm 61 and have had this for 5 years. My handwriting sucks. I'll try anything. I'm going gluten-free starting tomorrow to see if that works.

Posted by Andrea (Fayetteville, Tennessee) on 07/22/2011
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I developed a head bobbing and hand shaking when in a strain, at the age of 40. This concerned me and I went to a Nurologist and thru some test. He called it involuntary tremors. He told me this was inherited and my gradfather did have this condition. His recommendation was to use natural sources for controlling them as long as possible and if I did not want them to show up when attending a function or such to drink a glass of wine before going. The down side of this - it is worse the next day. Didn't do this but once - enough for me!! They have continued to increase as I have aged (65 now).

I have in the past and now control them with chelated magnesium w/zinc - 800 to 1200 mg a day as needed. I find they show up more when I am agitated, stressed or exhausted.

Not sure if this is related but caffine from asprin, cokes, chocolate or coffee will really make everything internally tremble. Therefore, I haven't taken in any of these for many years - no more internal trembling. I have drank ice tea (black) for years and no trembling inside. My body also does not respond well to antiboticis so I try really hard to stay the natural course with my diet and any other thing that pops up. I am presently not on any medications or regimes and seemed to be basically healthy with plenty of energy for which I am very grateful. I am going to start ACV as this seems to have so many positive benefits. My neighbor which just turned 90 yrs. Old has drank Jogging in a Jug (ACV & fruit juices) for years and is still in great shape. This is a great website can't stay off it!!!!

Replied by Maureen
Reno, Nv
10/17/2015

I've had the essential tremors off and on for years. Recently, it has gotten worse in my right hand (mainly because I use it more) to the point that it exhausts me. I'd be interested in the proportions of the Jogging in the Jug. I think this may work for me. Thanks.

Replied by Earthling
Usa
10/17/2015

While I'd never heard of Jogging In A Jug, the recipe was easy to find via Google.

I checked several sites and with only one exception, all had the same ingredients, but in different amounts. (That one exception was a recipe that included honey. The other recipes did not include honey.)

Here are the basics:

-1 quart red grape juice

-2 quarts apple juice

-3/4 cup ACV (Only one site specified Bragg's brand. The others just mentioned regular, old ACV.)

-3/4 cup honey, optional

Mix it all up, keep it refrigerated and drink 1/2 to 1 cup per day.

I, personally, wouldn't add the honey. Between the juices *and* the honey, that's a whole lot of sugar.

Good luck!

Replied by Jeanette
Hope Mills, North Carolina
01/08/2017

Does this really work. I am so frustrated with the head and vocal tremors. They are embarrassing and annoying. Tried botox for years didn't last and so uncomfortable. What is best magnesium to try. Desperate for help but on a fixed income. Please respond.

Replied by Lou Ann
Summerville, Sc
09/20/2017

I know this is a older post, but I have same thing is it still working?


Posted by Rbwalton (Chico, Ca) on 02/05/2010
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I have had muscle weakness and essential tremor for the last few years. Doctors finally saw the tremor and prescribed beta blockers to control it. They found no cause for the tremor and did not know why I was so weak- other than I was either exercising too little or too much.

On my own, I started 600 mg daily of magnesium oxide since I had heard it might help with muscle weakness. While I was taking that, I ran out of beta blockers and tremor did not return. I figured it must be the magnesium that had been keeping my tremor under control all along. Since then I have been off of the beta blockers completely. My tremor is better as long as I keep taking the magnesium. And my strength is also improving.

Replied by Nevada
Smithfield Township, Pa
07/24/2011

I find it remarkable that magnesium oxide made a difference since it is one of the least absorbable forms of magnesium according to the book The magnesium Miracle by Carolyn Dean, M.D.

Replied by Catherine
Wellington, New Zealand
08/05/2011

Famous nutritionist Adelle Davis wrote that " (B6) is essential in maintaining a normal level of magnesium in the blood and tissues. At the same time magnesium helps to activate dozens of enzymes which contain vitamin B6: hence these two nutrients work together in the body and neither can function without the other. " Possibly where benefits have not occured when taking magnesium alone could indicate a deficiency of B6 and vice versa.

Replied by Catherine
Wellington, New Zealand
08/05/2011

Further to my previous post, yes, magnesium oxide is one of the least absorbable forms of magneium, but is still effective for all that. Epsom salts in the bath allow magnesium to be readily absorbed through the skin, and doses of epsom salts are effective for muscle cramps, as I well know. Awaking with severe leg cramps in the night in my younger days, I would take a small tsp epsom salts in warm water and cramps would be gone by time I had finished drinking it. In smaller doses it does not induce diarrhoea. It has also been used effectively in treating epilepsy.

Replied by Catherine
Wellington, New Zealand
08/06/2011

I got off track a bit there, epsom salts being magnesium sulphate not magnesium oxide. They taste quite different too! When my children were small I used magnesium oxide with calcium lactate and brewers yeast in their morning milk drink. The B vitamins in the yeast would have helped with making the magnesium more available. The negative with magnesium oxide is that it neutralises hydrochloric acid in the stomach so completely it should not be used by persons with digestive difficulties.


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Posted by Soazburrolady (Southern Az., US) on 02/23/2015
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A few years back, my husband developed an essential (or intention) tremor in his hands. At first it bothered him only when upset or tired, but gradually started to affect him full time. As my husband makes his living as an OR nurse and needs to have fine motor skills for his job performance, it became imperative to find a treatment or cure. After researching the problem, we decided to hit him with the whole shebang of potential treatments. The most important seemed to be Magnesium L-threonate, GABA, Taurine, and L-theanine. Fortunately, as some have mentioned, the Magnesium L-threonate does not cause or aggravate diarrhea. I am really happy to report that my husband's tremor has basically disappeared. He takes other supplements also, but was taking them prior to the onset of the tremors. We have also eliminated any aspartame and eat only very small amounts of gluten. I am not sure if I am allowed to mention a specific product, but there is a tablet available from a reputable "Source" that contains the combo of GABA, Taurine, L-Theanine, Magnesium chelate, and some herbal extracts that simplifies the process. He adds a Magnesium L-Threonate product from the same "Source" to that tablet. All the best and hope this works for you as well.

Replied by Lorian
Baton Rouge
02/23/2015

Can you email me the name of the pill that is helping your husband, I have a friend that has tremors of the hand and it is really bad she had to withdraw from her college courses.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern, Az
02/23/2015

I would be happy to give you the name of the exact products, either through your email address if you would leave it, or if EC allows, directly on this site.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
02/26/2015

So sorry to have someone unnecessarily post an email address. I wasn't sure if I were allowed to name specific products here. The supplements are by Source Naturals (I have found their products to be of good quality) - 1) Theanine Serene, which contains magnesium chelate, GABA, taurine, L-Theanine, Relora, and holy basil extract, and 2) Magtein which is magnesium L-threonate. He takes one of each every morning and has been tremor free for several months. Hope this information is helpful.

EC: Thanks! We have deleted visible email addresses.

Phyllis
Fl
10/27/2018

I started taking these supplements this morning. One of each like your husband did. I have a hard time sleeping during the night most nights. So do you think that it would be helpful if I also took another one of the theanine serene before bedtime to see if I would sleep better?

I read all of your posts concerning essential tremors and I am very hopeful that this will help me also. I would prefer to just take one of each per day (in the morning) but I read other testimonials on another site and they all seem to be helped by taking it before bedtime to sleep better. Thanks for all you informative posts about how it helps with essential tremor.

Dardenel
Us
10/28/2018

The Theanine Serene does help me sleep at night, and the dosage per day is 2 tablets so I feel pretty safe doing that. I take mine about an hour before bed as I do get a teeny bit drowsy. But in the a.m. when I take it I don't feel drug out, so it's probably sort of a mystery how that works, but it works;) I also take the magtein dose with that at night (I take 2 magtein a day) and with it in the a.m. too:)

Phyllis
Fl
10/30/2018

Thanks for the information of when you took both supplements. Right now I'll stay on one of each morning and evening to see if it helps the essential tremor and also better sleep,

Replied by Jim
Barefoot Bay, Micco, Florida
06/14/2015

Hi - this is about where to find the products you mentioned, that help to eliminate uncontrollable hand-shaking. I just started working (donating my time) at a local Thrift Shop where things are taken in and then sold for next to nothing and one of the older guys who I'm working with - his hands shake so uncontrollable - just writing a price on a ticket is a major accomplishment. Because I have been a Homeopathic subscriber for many years, - Homeopathy immediately came to my mind - but sadly, my three manuals got lost in my many moves and transmissions, plus my small homeopathic travel kit with 30 assorted remedies but several remedies that came to mind were Mag Phos or Mag Sulph but I don't have my books any longer to tell me their characteristics. Could you possibly provide what you have as what to get and where to get it / them? I really wanna help the old guy. He's a very intelligent, former Disney mechanical engineer and he's 80, but a great guy and never complains - he just lives with it and I'm sure homeopathy will help! Thanks for your time and insight.

Rhode Island Jim

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
06/14/2015

How nice of you to show such concern for your friend. These tremors can be so very debilitating and frustrating. The supplements we used for my husband (and he remains tremor free to this day) are: Magtein and Theanine Serene with Relora - both from a company named "Source Naturals". I forgot to include acetyl-L-carnitine (which he also takes) in my last post. It is available from many companies. I use Amazon, Lucky Vitamins, or I- Herbs to buy most of my supplements - and it is definitely worth the time to comparison shop. The best to you both.

Christine
British Columbia
02/22/2016

Oh, how grateful I am to have read your comments on Essential tremors!!!

I will order right away, as per your suggestions. I am now 61, desperately trying to control my hand tremors. They have been progressively getting worse since I was 54, inherited from my mom. It is of most importance to me to treat this disorder through alternative health as I am a health care provider, caring for the elderly, mostly who suffer with dementia. I see the side effects of alopathic medicine and don't want any part of that.

Thank you so very much for your insight!

Replied by Beth
Ga
06/22/2015

Rhode Island Jim,

If the book you are missing from your homeopathy kit is from Hylands, then call them and they can send you another booklet. I did.

Bless you for wanting to help your friend.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England.
10/22/2015

Soazburrolady: I have just started taking Magtein and Nutrasleep, the latter as it contains GABA, Taurine Magnesium etc, ( as close as I can to the Theanine Serene ) and L-Theanine. I was a little wary of the Magnolia Officinalis as I had read reports of vivid nightmares accompanying the Relora in the Theanine Serene. I was just wondering, a few months on, how is your husband coping and have the tremors remained under controls or have they gone? I, myself, would really like to get back to work, but my tremors have knocked my confidence in being able to continue. I can draw, but my speed is well down as if I attempt to speed up or apply pressure the tremors start up and control lost. It also wears me down trying to maintain the control needed for the fine work and am continually on the brink of depression at the thought that I may have to give up the work that is the centre of my life. My uncle also had very bad tremor.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/23/2018

Wow, just read this again, by chance John, and I see that the "vivid" dream thing might be the Relora. Next bottle I get won't contain that and I'll see how I do. I don't take it at night, but I am still having dreams, some very vivid, but not as bad as when I was taking it before bed (1 of the 2 tabs suggested on the bottle).

I'll read more about that particular ingredients today and see if I can find more on it as well;) Denise

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
10/23/2015

Hi John.

So sorry to hear of your trials regarding essential tremor. I am very happy to report that indeed, my husband's tremor has not returned even in the slightest, and he continues to take the Magtein, Theanine Serene, and also Acetyl L-carnitine every morning. Just as an aside, he has not noted any side effects (vivid dreams) from the Relora. All the best.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
10/25/2015

Many, many thanks for your response. I am relieved to hear your husband's tremors are under control. I understand the plight regarding the need for fine motor control and wish him well for continued success. I hope that what I am doing may result in success similarly. I may tentatively try the Theanine Serene should this attempt fail and will report back, just in case other people have had a problem with the Relora. The problem seems to have been handed down along with the X-linked Ichthyosis that I have, this also my Uncle had and also various dyspraxic traits. The tremor is relatively recent. I am 53 and had been a one-to-one carer for many years. When my caring came to a natural conclusion I was exhausted, but thought that finally I could pursue my life's centre which is art. Then along came the tremor. As you can see, the frustration is untenable. You can gather that this page and your posting of your husband's results is so very important to me. I hope we can benefit from his experience. We are such complicated beings and if only there was not so much trial and error when these things hamper us. My very best wishes.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
11/25/2015
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Hello again!

Have to report that I'm much better. My drawing is pretty much back to form with only a minor twitch in the arm and base of thumb occasionally. Small improvements every day. I have been gluten free for two weeks and I also take Magnesium L-Threonate - two Source Naturals capsules @ 667mg - and two capsules of Theanine @100mg in the morning with a glass of spring water and a quarter spoon of Methylsufonylmethane (MSM). A multi-nutrient for my skin at midday - will provide details of this nutrient if needed, but I was taking this for a long time with no effect on the tremors whatever - and in the late afternoon I take two Nutrasleep again from Source Naturals. very positive about the result. Will update, if or if not the result is consistent.

Replied by Sissys
Coral Springs, Fl
12/10/2015

Please can you give the name of the combo med? Thank you

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
12/11/2015

Hello Sissys:

If you are referring to the 'combo' med used by Soazburrolady's husband, then she is referring to Theanine Serene. I, myself have found equally satisfying results from using Theanine capsules, Nutrasleep and Magnesium Threonate. taking two Theanine at 100mg and one of Magtein at 667mg and two Nutrasleep and a further Magtein late afternoon/early evening. basically I found the alternative because I wasn't sure if I wanted to take the Magnolia Officianalis in the Theanine Serene which contains the Relora. However, here's a possible in case you feel the same way. there have been reports I've read of side effects associated with the Relora by some people who have tried it. However not all have had the reported problems.

Replied by Roma
Minnesota
01/01/2016

Hello, I really enjoy reading all the encouraging posts on this site. I started the Theanine capsules, Nutrasleep and Magnesium Threonate regimen 1 week ago and am perplexed on why they've been stimulating my ET condition instead of calming my nerves and provide no relief. Also, my eyes have started twitching throughout the day. The tremors are in my dominant left hand (I can no longer write/eat with it) along with a bobbing head.

After I take the Theanine Serene with Relora (1 tablet) or the Magtein (1 capsule), I become more jittery and fatigue. The Nutrasleep (1 tablet) helps me sleep soundly but has had no effect on tremors during day. All supplements are from Source Naturals.

I'm a gluten & lactose free eater, take no prescription drugs, coffee, or artificial sweetners. I'm taking iodine for my thyroid, along with a multi-vitamin, calcium, and vitamins D3 & B12. I'm perplexed as to why Theanine, Magtein, or Nutrasleep has had an opposite effect on my nervous system. Any suggestions or feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
01/03/2016

I am extremely saddened that this has not worked for you. I am aware of Thyroid problems within my own family, unfortunately no awareness of where they are. I take it that it is hyperthyroidism of which you speak? I note from one who claims to be an expert that Vitamin C deficiency can encourage more of the thyroid hormone. I must note that I have only read this and from one source. Of course, unlike many mammals, we cannot biosynthesize this ourselves and usually within the body's functions, most everything we do requires it in the equation one way or another and among the vitamins it is also the most easily lost in storing, preparation and even digestion, then having an extremely short life in the body and being water soluble also easily lost in the urine. Unfortunately it seems that causes of tremors are of a multitude, but C is the most common deficiency along with magnesium, selenium and nutritional sulphur (MSM). However care must be taken regarding supplementation and MSM can increase the effect of various things like alcohol and possibly other things, thinking if you are taking medication so if you go that particular route, research and ask your doctor. I am not on medication and can say that, for my own problems, MSM has done me good. There are no guarantees as you must be well aware that it will likewise for you. I really hope you can find you answers soon. For the meantime, I take it that you will discontinue the mag, the threonate and the nutrasleep. Go easy and I wish you all the luck in the world in finding a remedy that suits you.

Replied by Roma
Osseo, Mn
01/06/2016
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Hi John, thanks for your reply. I'm actually being treated for a hypothyroid but not on any meds. I have continued taking Magtein and have experienced minute improvements. Perhaps over time they will increase. I'm also going to try the L-Theanine capsules (minus Gaba and Relora).

Question....when did you start seeing promising improvements and how long have you been dealing with ET's.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
01/08/2016

Hello Roma:

Apologies for the delay. Let me first say, that I had always suffered from nervous problems and wasn't aware of any family history of ETs, so that what I thought was merely shaking to my anxiety, was probably the start if the tremors. Considering that I am fifty three now, I would say that the problem had been steadily building during the last decade. I can certainly say I did not have them in 1999 when I did my last painting. The strain of one to one caring did me no good whatsoever, going on far too long for my own good and led to a complete physical and mental breakdown. It is because of this that I cannot be more accurate. I'm sorry. However, no supplement did me any good until I started on MSM. That I can say was a turning point. Two tablets of 500mg made a subtle, though immediate overnight improvement. Enough for me to take notice! I was also on the track of other means of supplementation to control or eliminate the tremors and various ideas as to what to aim for.

I would say that, after starting the regimen that I am on now, subtle benefits took a week, building to a revelatory improvement inside three weeks. At two months, I see a twitch in the nerves which happens occasionally, but not with such regularity as to upset my drawing. I still have a difficulty with cursive writing but that is a very chronic problem and probably because I have avoiding it for many years, so that will be the last to settle, if at all. Sorry to be so long winded, but I thought it best to be, as opposed to giving non informative sound bytes. I hope that you find a significant difference very soon. All my very best wishes.

Replied by Roma
Minnesota
01/10/2016
4 out of 5 stars

John, just wanted to post that I'm finding gradual relief from the Magtein and Theanine capsules. I'm still experimenting with dosage levels but head bobbing and hand tremor are decreasing. Hoping progress continues towards noticeable improvements. Thanks for the posts, feedback, and helpful information. All the best!

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
01/11/2016

That is extremely wonderful news! I feel that, when I operate a mouse, my fingers want to twitch still; and the nerves do a little, but the drawing feels smoother than it has done in years. I maintain the dosage at Magtein 667mg x 2, one in the morning and one in the evening; and two Theanine, two capsules @ 100mg in the morning.

I have dropped the Nutrasleep for a short while, just to see if the improvement maintains - the valerian was giving me a thick headed feeling, and since I don't suffer from headaches at all, I've put it to a side effect from that. Will try the Nutrasleep again perhaps as an experiment for a few days shortly. Again, wonderful news, upon which I hope you find continual improvement.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
02/01/2016

Right. I have to say that, after removing the Nutrasleep for a few weeks, and dropped the Theanine as well - time not tracked, but estimating a fortnight - the fingers have started to twitch again. Have continued with the Magnesium Threonate, but it seems that alone does not do it. Will return to my original dosages. Had a problem with costs and thought that I would see if the mag would do the trick by itself. Apparently not in my case. It does seem that a continued supply of it all puts the tremor into submission. With a return to full supplementation, hopefully it will all work peaceably again.

Replied by Romaine
Minnesota
02/01/2016
4 out of 5 stars

Hi John, like you, I've dropped the Theanine and Nutra Sleep as well and have continued with the Magtein (48mg 2x's a day). I've continued to notice a slight improvement as long as I take the Mag. My ultimate goal is to be able to write legibly again.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
02/02/2016

Interesting. I will go back to my original for a spell to regain the improvement, and if that works, try again with an increase to the full 3 capsules of Magtein. Of course it may all just point to subtle, yet important differences in the reasons behind the individual tremors. If only we were born with an individually tailored manual. Of course we are, but only our bodies can read it and they think that tremors are normal everyday operation. The fact that it's something we don't want is new information to them and frankly why don't we want them? Here am I, applying sentience to a 'selfish' gene!

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
02/02/2016

Hi John. I agree that the combination of supplements that relieve tremor are really costly. You could try Aceytl-L-Carnitine in place of the theanine. I just purchased them (500mg) for 12 cents apiece. My husband continues to take the whole "shebang" every day, but has not had any return of symptoms. We also both take several other supplements to keep us upright and taking sustenance! It is quite expensive, but better than the alternative - I think!

Replied by Mathias
Nsw
05/07/2016

Kindly please post the specifics and name of the supplement he is taking. I am a nurse and currently not working due to tremors.

Thank you very much.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
05/07/2016

I have found that I can get away with little supplementation at present. I have been on a minimalist diet, mostly raw and have not had wheat based products for, at least, four or five months. Hands have remained quite steady and did not return to full supplementation.

Events. My mother passed away two months ago and an extensive period of stress lifted as I had had to take care of her, initiating a long period of years of self neglect, before she was finally persuaded to go into care. I do occasionally have a session of biting my lip when I am eating and the nerves twitch under the skin of my hand - more noticeably the right - but events having taken the turn they have, it is as if years - of the tremor - have been removed. Having said all this, I will keep the Magtein and the Theanine and the Nutrasleep on standby. Drawing stable, still have not mustered courage for painting or inking yet. I don't think cursive writing is going to be something that I will ever master, but I may tentatively try it. My brain refuses to link the technicality of writing with imparting information to a page at speed using such a device as a pen although writing, lettering style, with a pencil seems to work adequately - adequately enough for a fellow artist to remark that I have "beautiful writing" and a councillor I have been seeing to remark upon it. They see scattered sentences. If I had to produce a page at length they may see different results. I still avoid attempting that. The worst I get is filling in the forms that I have had to. Bureaucracy always stresses me out.

Replied by Steven
Long Beach, Ny Usa
06/23/2016

John: I am a concert-level pianist as well as a church organist/pianist and high school music teacher. Music is my passion as well as my profession! I am 63 but my wife is 20 years younger and we have 2 small boys ages 9 & 5. I am right hand dominant and have had increasingly severe tremors on that side (hand, arm, leg and foot) for approx. 2 years now. It is really affecting my writing, drinking, eating and of course, my keyboard playing! Our very livelihood is threatened.

Has your regime continued to help you? Do you feel tired during the day as a result of your regime?

Replied by Mama To Many
Tennessee
06/23/2016

Dear Steven,

My daughter studies piano and organ, so your post struck a chord (sorry, can't help that pun) with me. From watching her, I know that it is painful to not be able to play the instrument you love as you like (and you need it for your livelihood as well! )

Have you tried any magnesium supplementation yet? Also, have you eliminated all artificial sweeteners yet (and MSG, another neurotoxin.)

I am very hopeful that natural remedies will cure you of this and allow you to continue with your music for pleasure and for your work.

~Mama to Many~

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
06/24/2016

If I take the combination, as I have posted, then, yes, there is a difference and a noticeable deterioration if I stop. Unfortunately for me, I am now on Employment Support (?) Allowance, which means that I now find it difficult to afford to take the supplements regularly. They want me to find work and my best means to that is by working from home at illustration - other options for very good reasons are limited in the extreme - however, by the very meagreness of the allowance, even that is going to prove more difficult. Personally, I think that they wish me to decrease the surplus population. The combination, personally, does not make me feel tired. The Nutrasleep, I take before bed anyway, for the GABA, but some nights, as always, I remain awake and some I fall asleep. I am however taking a maintenance dose for the tremor as opposed to a sleep aid. I don't feel drowsy the next day. One has to note that your tremor sounds worse at the outset of treatment than my own, concomitantly of course, your results, and I sincerely hope they should be positive, may be longer in coming. My very best of wishes. I do understand the importance for your soul's sake of continuing that which you love and the destruction of spirit that tremors can have. Please take care and I hope it works.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Arizona
06/24/2016

John, so sorry to hear of your new difficulties. I just thought I might add a note of encouragement to all of you suffering from ET. My husband has been continously on the same supplements since before my first post - and continues tremor free. We are truly thankful. It is, without a doubt expensive, but works, and he has had no ill effects. I will say that the remedy worked fairly quickly (within a few weeks he noted improvement). So, it is possible that other causes of tremor will not respond as well. We have been too chicken to discontinue to see what might happen! My best to you all.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
06/25/2016

Of course, what's the alternative offered by the orthodoxy? Beta blockers.

Replied by Steven
Long Beach, New York, Usa
06/28/2016

John: There may be hope for all ET sufferers outside of all the costly supplements and/or beta blockers, etc. There is a new device still in experimental stages coming to the market. They will not give me a "freebee" which they are now offering to those willing to be be guinea pigs. The reason that I do not qualify to be a guinea pig is that I do not live near London where they are (I am in the USA). But you, John, are in the UK, hence you may qualify. The device is called the Gyroglove. Check it out, It looks unique, and is something you simply wear on your affected wrist. By September, the experiment will end, and it will come to market for $600. I may purchase it then. I just pray that I do not have Parkinsons. My older brother has Parkinsons and his daughter (my niece) has ET and treats it successfully with Propanolol.

Steve

Replied by Cindy
Pa
06/30/2016

Hello, thank you for sharing your husband's info, I just want to reiterate what I believe you said he takes. I have had severe head tremors for years and when the Inderal stopped working I started some supplements with a little improvement. But want to try yours. Theanine Serene, Magtein and Aceytl-L-Carnitine.

Please let me know if this is correct. I want to order them and start right away. Thanks for sharing. Cindy

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
07/01/2016

Hi Cindy. Yes, those are the supplements we added specifically for my husband's tremor. (The Theanine Serene does contain Relora which I know some posters prefer to go without.) He takes other supplements also, but, had been prior to the onset of the tremor, so I don't think they enter into the equation. I surely hope this helps you, as it is such a frustrating and even debilitating problem. All the best.

Replied by Dear Abbey
Atlanta Ga
07/09/2016

hello all, I thought I would put in my 2 cents. A friend that has Parkinson's disease started doing a drawing course called Zentangle. It has helped her tremendously. I have not tried it as yet but have heard it has wonderful results with reducing her tremors. I have had tremors for years but they were not severe, however they have now accelerated and I am having trouble eating and writing. I will try your suggestions as to the natural meds and post after I try them. The Zentangle course can be difficult at first but helps the brain function.

Replied by Pointvet
Texas Usa
10/15/2016
5 out of 5 stars

I will write too long. I had a head injury in 1966 and a 7 day comma, when I woke -- right off I tremored and said to myself, "the girls will never be interested in me now". I lost from 174 lbs down to 109 lbs. Numerous doctors told me I would not live to see age 30...or much less. Over the years I did much research, being I was smart enough yet, even if I tremored badly, to the extent I could not write my name, play the guitar, do art, hold a book in my hands to read it etc. I used many naturals and some with benefits, usually for a short term. I was for a while addicted to tranquilizers, to the extent now I truly am opposed to them for myself. The tremors gradually got worse over the decades, yet I never got angry at or resented the problems. I got this honorably, in a small teams parachute jump in VN, doing what I felt true to liberty assistance....I was fortunate to have an excuse for tremors....my quirkiness. Thanks for this site! I have been reading and have been taking the theanine serene with relora 2 per day and one magtein, now for about 8 days. I can carry a dinner plate and can touch two fingers of each hand to each other. How long will this last...I have no idea. But over the years I have done hospital stints, done scans, seen numerous neurologists, taken k's of dollars of naturals, took medical drugs I soon quit with side effects, exercise everyday, had years of giving up all caffeine, food coloring, salt, sugar, suggested bad foods, avoided chemicals, withdrew from social gatherings, still losing the abilities of most things I enjoyed. So far I have good results with this and many thanks. Others should do their own research and discussions with their health care provider....my opinions are useless in a professional way.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/16/2018

What a wonderful post, I wonder how you are doing today. If you should still get a notification, I will go ahead and just say thank you for your post/reply. I so hope those things are still working as I have started to take the same things the soazburrolady said her husband takes. I'm very hopeful too, but again, would love to hear from you if you are around.

Your post was not too long, I was truly inspired by it, Denise

Replied by Pointvet
Texas Usa
10/18/2016
0 out of 5 stars

The theanine serene with relora and the magtein is causing digestive distress, or some factions of the combination. And I don't need more excuses to be a recluse with the tremors and such effects. But I will never give up seeking natural improvements and as well I will expire before ever going back to neurological drugs again. A sentiment not for everyone, as many can do those without ill effects...presumably. For me, I have a good mind and I wish to keep it; I am energetic and wish to remain so; I have a good sense of humor, which I need for sharing with my off springs. Next I will be trying some new to me combo essential oils with frankincense. Cheers to all.

Replied by Mar
Australia
11/19/2016

Can I please have the name of the pill too.. Thankyou

Replied by Roma
Osseo, Mn
03/27/2017

The combination of Magtein and Theanine seemed to be working for me, then per suggestion of dr., I put them aside to try UNDA homeopath drops instead. After a relapse, I'm back to taking Magtein and pinch of Theanine bulk powder. At night I take Neuro-Mag, a lemon flavored powder containing vit d3, calcium, and magnesium threonate. Progression has been slow but steady.

Replied by Don L.
Illinois
04/21/2017

I have dealt with essential tremors for many years. Would you post the name of products and company your husband gets them from? Thank you in advance!!!

Don

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
05/11/2017

Have just managed to purchase some more of the theanine. Hopefully, now, I can return to the full supplementation that worked before and I can re-establish twitchless fingers. DWP seem too stupid to realize that reducing payments DOES NOT HELP but actually hinders recovery or alleviation of troublesome symptoms and that such things need constant maintenance. They need to know why I haven't found work in my chosen field and seem oblivious to cause and effect in such matters. The tremor needs to be sorted out first! Common sense would seem to indicate that alone. How ludicrous can you get?

Replied by Pamg
South Dakota, Usa
07/31/2017

John,

I noticed you mentioned the use of MSM in an early post -I'm wondering if you're STILL taking it or not. I am 61 years young and my tremors are increasing. I already take ALA but not with L-carnitine (will switch to a product that combines both) and taking Magtein as well - tried taking it later in the day and my sleep was horrible! So will continue to take it first thing in the morning.

Replied by Pamg
South Dakota, Usa
07/31/2017

John,

I noticed you mentioned the use of MSM in an early post -I'm wondering if you're STILL taking it or not. I am 61 years young and my tremors are increasing. I already take ALA but not with L-carnitine (will switch to a product that combines both) and taking Magtein as well - tried taking it later in the day and my sleep was horrible! So will continue to take it first thing in the morning.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
08/01/2017

Pamg. Sorry; I am not aware of ALA. You may be aware that MSM - methylsulfonylmethane - is a nutritional sulphur and maybe you should check with a physician to make sure. MSM is said to increase respiration in the body's cells to allow the better passage of nutrients in and waste out.

This increased efficiency sounds as though, although my information is theoretical without further checks, that if it facilitates the absorbtion of ANY 'nutrients', it may also increase also the efficacy of any medications you may be on. If that is the case, it may be wise to double check. A lady on YouTube states that she took MSM and then went for a night out, drinking her usual tolerance level, but ending up being carted to hospital blind drunk and stayed that way for another day. My advice would be wary until the necessary questions have been answered. That said, I do take MSM on a regular basis, a sensible balanced diet and avoid alcohol.

Also the other supplements I stated. I had Carnitine some years ago and had considered taking it again, but seem to have got away without as far as tremors are concerned. I am not under any doctor's medication, so none of those interactions are my concern, however, not knowing any further as to your regimen, reiterate caution until your research is complete.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
08/01/2017

Hi Pamg,

I noticed your post to John and just wanted to add that that it is Acetyl-L-Carnitine and not L-Carnitine that my husband has been using. Not sure of the exact chemical difference, but I know that the Aceytl-L-Carnitine is apparently able to cross the blood/brain barrier (as is magtein), and that is the key to its effectiveness. Those supplements - plus the Theanine Serene, continue to work for him (thankfully). Indeed, they are expensive, but the alternative stinks too! All the best.

Replied by Roma
Osseo, Mn
08/01/2017

Acetyl-L-Carnitine develops a high level of energy which would aggravate ES symptoms. Are you sure this is the correct name of supplement?

Roma
Mn
10/04/2018

It's been a little more than a year since my last post and I'm still striving towards eliminating ET. I'm following recommended supplements - Theanine Serene & Magtein. Theanine Serene is so potent, I can only take half a pill before bedtime which knocks me out for the night. Magtein, I only take 1 capsule during the day, it makes me really tired. I'm now going to order Acetyl L Carnitine - I've been hesitant due to some of the reviews and concerned about possible jittery reaction. Henceforth, I'm hoping for positive results to share in my next post.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/09/2018

Hi Roma,

I am trying these things too but I missed getting the one which is the Magnesium L-Threonine. I am getting so mixed up in these "tons" of posts and I haven't figured out how to navigate the site that well. But was glad to see someone here of late, like talking to you real-time.

So I think, thanks to your post, I will take the "serene" at night as I am feeling more tired during the day and need a nap. That could be why. But I am also dealing with what the bloodtests showed, hypothyroid. So I am really tired again now, and think I will go ahead and take just one table of the serene tonight, and nothing in the a.m.

I do believe I am safer researching for myself, and most of all, hearing from others like me that do not want to live on destructive drugs. I never have so far, and just don't want to start now. I am 65, doing pretty good, nothing life-threatening at least. Denise PS I so hope your efforts go well for you Roma:)

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
08/02/2017

Hi Roma,

Yes, it is Acetyl-L-Carnitine. He's been using it now about 3 years - along with the other supplements I mentioned. All the best to you.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
08/17/2017

Interesting to read that Acetyl-L-Carnitine, or ALCAR, "improves the neural network by strengthening nerves and signal receptors": Quote from site, 'Braintropic' on the subject.

and that it also improves memory and learning function. Could explain the mass of writing I undertook and completed whilst on the supplement in 2006! That was well before the tremors took hold and I have not had Acetyl-L-Carnitine as a regular supplement since. Hmm. Will investigate further. Thanks for the boost in that direction. That's why these discussions are so valuable.

Replied by M
Boston
10/27/2017

Hello,

My name is Marc and I have had essential tremors for about 20 yrs I'm now 46 . It started with my right hand and now recently my left. I cannot write anymore or even hold a glass of water. So yes its very challenging at times. I'm hopeful it find relief with magtein and theanine serene w relora. Been taking 2 capsules of each per day. Been about a week and have seen no improvement yet. My question how long should it take to see a difference? Thanks

Replied by Soazburrolady
Arizona
10/28/2017

Hi Marc,

I just saw your post and wanted to chime in. For my husband, it took a few weeks to really notice a lessening of the tremors, and possibly a little longer for them to resolve completely. He also takes Acetyl-L-Carnitine for same. On a side note, I started experiencing some peripheral neuropathy recently and added Alpha Lipoic Acid to my rather extensive (and expensive! ) handful of supplements. Since it is known for its beneficial effects on all things nerve related, he's been taking that too.

My husband had only presented with the symptoms of essential tremor a few months prior to instituting the supplements, so perhaps it takes a bit longer for them to take effect when the condition has existed for a good deal longer? Wishing you all the best.

Replied by Denise
California
10/29/2017

I have had tremors, only at times when I got upset, since I was a child. But in 1988 I was diagnosed with Spasmodic Torticolus. This also caused my head to tremor, so my head shakes to the left and right almost constantly. Not when I sleep I guess;)

I also have it in my hands but my head is the worse. I want to read more of this thread/topic and find out if I should try the lipoic stuff (can't recall the full name). My cardiologist made a remark one time and said that every issue I have seems to be to do with the nervous system, even the AV Node block was what they called the electrical part of my heart. I have tingling in parts of my body at different times too.

anyway, hope I am not changing the subject too badly here. This forum layout is very different from what I am used to, Denise

Replied by Gig
Nashville, Tennessee
11/24/2017

Yes I would love the name of your source. Thanks.

Replied by Soni
India
12/30/2017

Hi,

I am new to post. sorry to ask, I would like to buy Theanine Serene, Magtein and Aceytl-L-Carnitine, can I please know website link?

I tried searching through iHerb but not sure which one to choose. I would like to try for my Dad. Thanks very much.

Soni

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
12/31/2017

Hi Soni,

I have used both IHerb and Lucky Vitamins to purchase the products you would like to get for your father.

Theanine Serene is by Source Naturals - I buy the one that has the additional ingredient of Relora.

Magtein is the brand name of Now Vitamin's Magnesium L Threonate. There are other brands, this is just the one I normally choose.

Acetyl - L - Carnitine is also a Now Product, although there are many other reputable brands.

Hope that helps.

Replied by Steve
Ok
04/11/2018

I would like to find the combo supplement you mention. Thanks.

Replied by Idot13
Ireland
07/18/2018

Roma, it looks like you are magnesium deficient.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
07/27/2018

Have been trying sourdough bread for a while, as well as the supplements. It's been difficult. Although some control of my hands has returned, the tendency towards tremor has remained. 'Normal' use of hands, no real problem, but, if I try anything delicate, like drawing, writing, painting, the tremor persists. I have been unable to make as regular use of the Magtein, etc, as I would like. This is simply because there is no recognition that the tremor is a problem to be taken that seriously by the DWP. Basically, it appears, if you run out, then you run out. Why aren't you getting work? Because I don't want to tell clients I can handle work in the field of illustration, when, obviously I can't complete a project because of the tremor. Your hands aren't shaking. ( demonstrates) Oh, they are shaking! At this point, I am tempted to start swearing. All I can do is build up a back supply until the damn things get under control.

This second attempt at complete control is that harder and probably because of the break in supplementation. I hope your husband still has maintained control. Recently diagnosed as Aspergers. My assessor has said that, obviously, because of the Aspergers' trait of the need of structure, my art being the structure of my life, it is vital to my mental health that it be reestablished. He has written to my doctor to that effect. However, I know full well that the option to be offered on the NHS would be Beta-blockers! Certainly not supplements.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
08/05/2018

Hello. Can I just ask, is your husband still tremor free? Also, I was wondering about a product called 'Tremormiracle', and, whether any sufferers of ET have found relief with this product? I am of the school of thought that, if something seems too good to be true, it usually is. I am interested in the inclusion of L-arginine in the product. I would like to reduce the number of supplements, basically to de-clutter, however, I do not want the tremor to worsen.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
08/06/2018

Hi John,

I'm just assuming that you are directing your question to me. If so, the answer is - yes. My husband takes the Theanine Serene, Magtein, and Acetyl - L - Carnitine every morning. Still working, thankfully. I think I mentioned that I had started experiencing some symptoms of peripheral neuropathy, and so added Alpha Lipoic Acid to my regimen (also benfotiamine). While reading about the ALA, I noticed that it can also be effective for Essential Tremor, so he is taking that also.

Always wishing you well,

Soazburrolady

John S.
Suffolk, England
09/27/2018

Hi Soazburrolady:

Just a quick update. The hands, although the strength, pre-tremors, has not returned yet, probably through lack of normal use, the control has mostly returned. I have not tried brush drawing again yet, however, I am able to complete pencil sketches, which is something I have not been able to accomplish in a long while.

All I can say is many, many heartfelt thanks for your posts on the maintenance regimen, which, has paid off, for myself, for the second, and now third time. That seems to be the clincher! Although I am now taking the Acetyl-L-Carnitine as part of a broader multi-supplement, with Arginine, etc, ( Good Guru's Memory and Focus ) with the Theanine Serene with Relora and Magnesium Threonate, the first and latter supplied by British companies, the latter being Phoenix, my initial tryouts with the Source Naturals recommendation were equally successful. Being UK based informed my decision, it being helpful that only one of the supplements be imported. Hopefully I can now continue taking these and nothing else stupid will happen to prevent me taking up my career again!

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
08/21/2018

Soazburrolady: Thanks for that. The social security on my case again, actually thinking I am self-diagnosed and nothing wrong. I have been assessed for Aspergers positively as well. Doing everyday stuff is tiring with the tremor, but, being aware of how Aspergers elevates stress levels anyway, on top of the years of caring I had to do, it is no wonder that I feel like a spent battery. I was interested in the other product, not sure as to follow it up as £50 for 30 days. Desperately need to shut down the shaky hands and get my career back. May just have to renew the supply of the original tablets. Sorry for the delay in responding. Bad couple of weeks.

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
08/22/2018

Soazburrolady: Can I ask of your husband, with the nature of his tremor, say was he able to at least hold his hands still, were the nerves beneath the skin at the thenar and hypothenar region twitching like mad, trying to get the tremor going again? At the moment I can hold them still, to the extent that there is little involuntary movement, as long as I've been inactive and calm. Resting on my elbows, the shoulders and back of the neck have a 'shivering' movement, the same as if I was cold. This I've noticed if I've been active, fatigued, and it travels down to my legs so that I feel like a walking quake. Nothing is visible when I am sitting, at rest, except at those regions of the hand. It is frustrating that, as soon as I attempt the writing and drawing, the tremor manifests in the interrupted movement. My GP noticed it after I pointed it out. The DWP "can't see it" as they said in their written report, "he wasn't trembling".

This convinces me they are looking for a Parkinson's type of trembling and are not familiar with ETs at all. They consider it irrelevant because it is not outstandingly evident. Will have to persevere in finding a management regimen that will allow me to follow the career within which, like your husband, I have expertise.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
08/30/2018

Hello Soazburrolady: Just a quick return to say that my tremor has almost completely abated since I added Arginine to my regimen. So, now it's Magtein, MSM, Perfectil: Skin, Hair and Nails, Theanine Serene and the Arginine. That seems to be shifting the so and so. I may drop the Arginine in favour of Acetyl-L-Carnitine again after I've finished the course. I also belt up some Mag Citrate with some veg and fruit in a Mega blender to top up. Seems to be working so far.

Replied by Denise
California
08/31/2018

Read your post this morning John and I want to try your remedies and I haven't read the whole thread but what you're using is working for you I don't want to do the botox thing that was mentioned because they had tried that on me years ago for spasmodic torticollis and it didn't work. The Tremor was starting to be very bad at that time but now it is definitely becoming a problem for my quality of life. Thank you so much for your post, and I will be looking for goodbyes on your supplements this a.m.

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
08/31/2018

Hello Denise:

It would be best if you read the entire thread. If the tremor is well established then any progress is likely to be slow. I am inclined to be impatient and frustrated and depressed. However, I can hold my hands steady when I am unstressed. When I try to write or draw though, still not good. Unfortunately, getting to draw, paint and do calligraphy again is my goal. Hands are steadier when I shave in the morning and I don't have to concentrate on that so hard. Tried to write. No. Still someway to go yet. My hopes were up a bit. The supplementation I am taking is based on Soazburrolady's post earlier in the thread. Best to get an overview so as to make a balanced decision. Let's see if we can triumph over this wretched nuisance. Take care.

Replied by Soazburrady
Southern Az
09/01/2018

Hi John,

Good to hear from you again, especially since it appears you have found the right combination for your tremors. My husband continues to be tremor free, and takes the same supplements I have listed in the past (won't bore everyone by repeating them). The arginine could be problematic for him as he as a history of herpes zoster (shingles), and arginine has been known to exacerbate or even initiate a breakout. Continued good health to you!

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/02/2018

Hi Soazburrolady: Thanks. Had read up on the Arginine and noted the shingles connection, which, fortunately I haven't. Was taking it to improve the healing of my Ichthyosis skin, noticed the improvement in the tremor, thought interesting. At the same time was investigating the tremor miracle product and noted the ingredients, one of which, Arginine. My writing is steadier briefly, but, still a nuisance. Will persist. Many thanks for your original post. Just managed to send for some remedy skin cream from the states. Can't get anything as good in UK. Ridiculous. Human race extremely frustrating at sharing good data. Mostly seems only good at squabbling.

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/13/2018

Hi Soazburrolady: I've found a supplement from 'The Good Guru' company which combines what I've been looking for. Hopefully it will work. It's 'Good Memory And Focus', which I am going to combine with the Magnesium L-Threonate and the Theanine Serene with Relora. The GMAF supplement contains both the Arginine and Acetyl-L Carnitine. Will keep on topped up with the Mag Citrate. So far, it's the forefinger of the right hand that wants to twist it's way uncooperatively and, of course, that's my drawing hand. I live on in hope the thing will behave itself. At least finding the combination cuts down the pill bottles.

Replied by Anna
Yosemite
09/15/2018

Hi John:

Your post references Magnesium L-Threonate for Essential Tremors

and I would be very interested to learn more. I have had essential tremors for 20 plus years and would be enormously grateful for any suggestions on how to tackle the problem, i.e. specific supplement combinations/dosage/frequency etc.

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/17/2018

Hello Anne:

I basically follow Soazburrolady's recommendation as to supplements and dosage. Since I live in the UK, I've tried to find local suppliers regarding the Magnesium L-Threonate and the Acetyl-L-Carnitine. Source Naturals products, the 'Theanine Serene with Relora', where I am, has to be imported by the distributor. I purchase from IHerbs. I am sure there are others. It is best to look around for the best deals on the magnesium and carnitine. 'Now' seems good brand.

One must be aware that improvements will take time. The longer the problem has existed, the longer it will take for the tremors to be managed. I had to break from treatment because of money problems. The tremors came back, and, when I was able to resume, it has taken longer to regain control. The goal, unfortunately and annoyingly, is management of the tremors by continual supplementation. It is best to read up all you can on the individual ingredients of the supplements and, if you are already on any medication, that there are no contraindications between the supplements and your meds. For example Magnesium has a tendency to lower blood pressure. If you are on meds for blood pressure, watch that your pressure doesn't get too low! One must watch these points you know! Relora has been reported by some users as giving them vivid dreams. Depends which sort of dreams. Best thing, as always, be aware and double-check with a pharmacist or your doctor regarding blood pressure or if you are on blood-thinning medication.

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/18/2018

Sorry Anna, for your name wrongly spelt in the last posting: To give you some idea of the time frame. Eighteen days past and I could shave reasonably with my right hand, couldn't draw, could only write by steadying the top of a pencil with my left hand. This weekend, I have found that I can draw for short periods and write one-handed a little. Hand shakes a bit if I get too enthusiastic, upper arm shakes, but still controllable to a point, then I give it a rest. Whole body still trembles if exercising, then stop. It's as if shivering. No body shaking if at rest. Increased four days ago to 2 grams Magnesium L-Threonate daily. Still on 1 tablet of Theanine Serene with Relora, I capsule of Good Guru 'Good Mind and Memory'. Note: the last is an extremely broad supplement, this is the one containing both Arginine and Acetyl-L-Carnitine. Also contains Gingko Biloba and Brahmi plus vits and minerals. Always best to check the RDA and ascertain if you need that much, plus any effects of long term usage. I hope this may be of some use.

Replied by Anna
Yosemite
09/18/2018

John:

Thank you and I am learning a lot from your posts around the language of these tremors. Your progress is impressive - and 18 days is a blink really in the bigger scheme of things. I looked up "Soazburrolady" and will copy her posts into my notes for future research and study.

A couple of my family have the tremors - milder versions than mine. I only ever found raw celery as a cure for the shaking, but couldn't eat enough to make a dent, so celery juice has helped a bit in the past. However, any stress or conflict and my shaking is uncontrollable. Now that I am retired, life is much easier.

Funny thing, I ordered the two pound container of pharmacy grade magnesium as part of my 'anti candida' protocol and planned to use a little in a bath and the rest ingested. Well, I opened the canister over the path and ended up dropping the whole thing in the water - 2 lbs of magnesium -$20.00 - most expensive bath I ever took - but here is the thing - it was sublime. I soaked until I was totally pruned and had absorbed my twenty buck ten times over - and I felt incredible, renewed and vitalized. I slept wonderfully well for the next few nights and overall, my tremors seemed much less. Mine are in my face and a bit in my hands, but definitely the magnesium is a curative for me.

I very much like your research approach to all the supplements, slow and steady. I have made a list of the ones you mention, and will read up on them and then search for 'best-buys' so I can begin to acquire the ones you suggest. I only began the candida treatment 4 weeks ago, so will probably focus in on the candida protocols before I get too focused on the tremors, however, there seems to be some overlap in the treatment, so will combine where I can. I am amazed at the results so far, and beyond grateful to Earth Clinic website. So much to learn.

So, now, when my finances allow, I will reorder, but it confirms - my body is starved for magnesium. Thank you again for your most generous sharing, it is very heartening to hear your progress and I am creating my learning list for moving forward.

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/19/2018

Hi Anna: That's interesting about the celery juice. Good source, again, of Magnesium and also Potassium and Sodium. Maybe I should add it. I used to combine juices a lot. As for the slow and steady, that's me alright. "Slow and methodical": that's how they described me in my school reports fifty years ago. Like Endeavour Morse, I stumble over a clue, think "hang on, there was something there wasn't there! ", go back, trip over it again and think, "that worked, what if I do it again?". So far, what I am doing seems to be working. I don't seem to need so much meditation at the moment which is interesting. We must beware of anutrients, I feel. They can cause havoc. My tremors are inherited through my mother's side. She never had any! My uncle and grandmother did, however. Magnesium deficiency is one of the most common. I am sure C is another, simply because of the mass call on it throughout the body. The RDA is ridiculous. A mammal the size of a mountain goat bi-synthesises 13-14 grams of the stuff to cope with it's stresses in life via an enzymatic process in it's liver and humans, who have lost the means to do so, with more stressors than a goat, is only recommended 60 mg!!? With all the repairs it is needed to do? Come on. Pull the other one! That's my rant over. BTW: My, that was an expensive bath. However, many discoveries are made through accident.

Replied by Rsw
Oh
09/19/2018

Hi John,

I have been reading your posts and believe this may be of interest. A friend has a family history of tremors in the head and arms, and went to a Traditional Chinese accupuncturist for an extended period. It has now been a year and a half that she has been free of the tremors. I have been going to the same accupunturist, independently before I talked to this person, and I have heard many people in the office talk of surgeons who developed temors and could no longer practice medicine, become healed by this Traditional Chinese acupuncturist and can once again operate on patients. This may give you and others with this problem something else to consider. Best wishes.

Replied by Anna
Yosemite
09/21/2018

Thanks RSW:

I am a great believer in acupuncture. I have noticed that the tremors stop when I go for acupuncture, but then return later - at the first sign of stress or conflict.

Replied by Anna
Yosemite
09/21/2018

Hi John:

When you reference Vit C - did you read that post about synthetic v natural? Any thoughts? I bought mine at the local health food store, but never knew that they might be synthetic? Where do I get natural and how is it labeled?

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/22/2018

Anna,

Of course, it is best to get as natural as possible. That said, nature has left us with predicaments from our ancient past. We would have to be consuming fruit and vegetables at a continual rate to meet our basic needs for a mammal our size and debates rage as to how we can sustain our individual need for the stuff. It has been labelled humankind's "missing stress molecule". Studies for people with Aspergers, where there are abnormal spikes of amygdala activity, put the need, at least, 8 grams daily. I would say though that most humans undergo more continual, relentless stresses than most creatures alive simply through our type of sentience and the lives we put upon ourselves. Reason why we wear out so often? BTW: Had a bowl of porridge and, quite quickly actually, my tremor went bonkers! Very interesting. Now; to labelling. Look for, I should say, 'Wildcrafted' and 'Organic', preferably the former being included. I think there is 'Good Manufacturing Practice' that you look for in America(?) which could also be your guide. Not sure about 'pure' vitamin c, as it might not be utilised efficaciously to be of the health value we are looking for. I think arguments carry on as to if just ascorbate has all that is necessary for all the repairs required upon it in the body. I think we could all do with a repair manual issued at birth. One day perhaps?

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
09/27/2018

Hi Soazburrolady:

Just a quick update. The hands, although the strength, pre-tremors, has not returned yet, probably through lack of normal use, the control has mostly returned. I have not tried brush drawing again yet, however, I am able to complete pencil sketches, which is something I have not been able to accomplish in a long while.

All I can say is many, many heartfelt thanks for your posts on the maintenance regimen, which, has paid off, for myself, for the second, and now third time. That seems to be the clincher! Although I am now taking the Acetyl-L-Carnitine as part of a broader multi-supplement, with Arginine, etc, ( Good Guru's Memory and Focus ) with the Theanine Serene with Relora and Magnesium Threonate, the first and latter supplied by British companies, the latter being Phoenix, my initial tryouts with the Source Naturals recommendation were equally successful. Being UK based informed my decision, it being helpful that only one of the supplements be imported. Hopefully I can now continue taking these and nothing else stupid will happen to prevent me taking up my career again!

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
10/01/2018

Hi John.

So sorry I missed seeing your post any earlier. I can't tell you how pleased I am to hear of your progress. I have been helped so many times by the contributors to Earth Clinic, I have lost count! Someday, I am going to post my personal "Best Of" Earth Clinic. I wish you continued progress and good health. Maybe, someday, you will post some of your art work!

Replied by Denise
Crescent City California
10/04/2018

I'm just so happy for you, John, and wanted you to know. I am following you on your recommendations. I just ordered my supplements today this evening and they'll be here on the 8th of October which is not too far away and I'm very hopeful that if I stick with it this could help my tremors maybe get better and maybe be gone. I would like to have my life back as well and I've lost a lot as many people have with this sort of a condition. I was even worried as to whether I could keep driving or not I shake so bad sometimes. So anyway thank you to both of you and I will continue to be improving I am very hopeful.

Hello Southern Arizona burro lady,

I have been following you and John and as I just posted to him I've started ordering my supplements which I found on Amazon and I was thrilled to see they were within my budget and I'll be starting mine on the 8th of this month. I'm very hopeful very excited and so very grateful to you as well as John and many others here that have also contributed. I love this site. Thank you again, Denise

Replied by John S.
Suffolk, England
10/07/2018

Hi Soazburrolady: Many thanks for your good wishes. Hopefully I can pull away from the despairing life and into a better one away from social 'security'. Funding my meds means moving. Having had an offer on my house and finding one cheaper, with luck, will mean a new life -- not another one! -- and money in the bank. Enough for me to look after myself for a change and recuperate properly. I don't honestly think that the people that make the rules realise just how frustrating tremors are, more especially how, when you're dealing with that on top of Aspergers and Ichthyosis. I feel like the family dumping ground for confidence disenablement. Is that a good thing to have on your resume? The one stability in my life was my art. That was mine and no thing could take that away. Well, I reckoned without ETs. All we can do is continue the battle.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
10/18/2018

Hi again, Soazburrolady. Just wanted to say, I am now TREMOR FREE! Using your husband's recommended combination.

Magnesium Threonate, Theanine Serene with Relora and Acetyl L-Carnitine.

Will keep taking, along with top ups of Magnesium Citrate and, occasionally, the Good Guru supplement that I mentioned. But, it's definitely those initial three that made and make the difference. Have started making art submissions again. Bless you for your initial post on the subject. Looks like I can have my artist's life back again. Thank you.

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/18/2018

WONDERFUL John!! How long did it take to notice a major difference as I've been on the same regime for 9 days only? I understand it can take a different amount of time for each "body" but I would love to know, Denise

PS Again, I am so happy for you and it is so reinforcing of my belief in a natural remedy can be out there for us;)

John
Suffolk, England
10/19/2018

Denise,

What I am getting is the occasional twitch in the bicep. But, I am able to hold a line and trace over it with 99.9 percent accuracy. Fingers still feel weaker than they used to, but they are getting stronger. Time taken, this time round because I couldn't afford the supplements, but had to grab them as the opportunity arose, I would say the overall period was four months. That's stopping and starting annoyingly. So, although there was a build up, I couldn't continually take them without breaks in the regimen. On a daily basis, without fail, I've been on the full dose since 5th September. I've also been adding, with varying degrees, Magnesium Citrate, Good Guru Memory and Focus, 8 grams of Vitamin C daily and Spirulina. Spirulina is a semi-regular in my ordinary diet anyway. I also add to smoothies some Gotu Kola, Brahmi and as many green sources of Magnesium as possible with fruits using my Nutri Ninja. I blitz up the Mag Citrate in the smoothies. I'm not zinging like I used to, chronological damage I think! But, things are definitely getting better and I'm not using all my strength trying to control tremors and I'm sleeping more soundly. As Marshall Sam McCloud used to say, "There y' go! ".

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/19/2018

I'm just so glad you were able to keep on going, even though the money isn't always there, and I so understand and relate to that one. I've spent all I can now, but I feel I got a start, and like you, if I have to "stop and start" again, I will do it because after seeing how well you are doing, just encourages me all the more:) Thanks for the update, John.

Replied by Soazburrolady
Southern Az
10/18/2018

Dear John,

Woo-hoo!!! Can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear of your "tremor - free" status. Nothing makes me happier than people overcoming health challenges, especially through Earth Clinc. I recommend this site to people all the time, but, as you know, you can only lead a horse (or burro! ) to water.

I have a bit of an art background myself, 30 years ago it was painting, but I mostly enjoy metal working now. Creativity is good for the soul!

Continued good health and blessings for peace and happiness through your artwork.

Soazburrolady

John
Suffolk, England
10/19/2018

We get there in the end! But, aren't we complicated. I'm ordering some more of the Theanine Serene and the Magnesium Threonate the coming week. I am thinking of setting up an art website with a friend of mine. That's my confidence returning. Many thanks for the steering. Your post gave me a positive direction. Please, thank your husband as well for me.

Replied by Phyllis
Fl
10/20/2018

Does anyone know if the Theanine Serene and the Magtein would help Parkinson disease? I ordered this today for my essential tremor but my husband has the start of Parkinson disease and wondered if it might help him.

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/21/2018

Right now, but only 13 days into mine, I'm trying to decide if I can keep taking all in the a.m. At night I can't some strange dreams, and lack of sleep. But it may just be my body adjusting to the extra nutrients, makes sense seems like.

Today I'm getting my Chicory Coffee (French Roast and not coffee at all) and hope to be off coffee completely. I'm drinking Ginger tea this a.m. w/blackstrap for other issues, ad love those 2 things together.

I received my Nutrition Almanac, so it's nice to look at a hard-copy of info for a change. Anyway, just checking in more or less, still so very happy for you John;) Someone at some time here, mentioned having a spit-fire temper. I still have that and thank God I live alone:( I do feel more calm, but when I get riled about something that tremor just goes nuts, mostly my head shakes uncontrollably. Worse with the adrenaline I guess. Denise

John
Suffolk, England
10/23/2018

Hi Denise: When you mention a spitfire temper, it sounds like the sort of thing that occurs in my own family as a phenomenon. I would describe it as Vulcan, explosive, pyroclastic, astonishing rage. Thing is, I never, ever direct it at people. It tends to come with frustration, when too many little things pile up and it will take one more little thing for an explosion to happen. I put it down to being Aspergers INFJ, the 'spectrum' being inherent in our family. There are abnormal spikes of activity in the amygdala. I've found that the theanine does calm, though, doesn't altogether get rid of these. My brain doesn't like conflict of data, and, when someone is asking me to do something that, in all rationality, can't be achieved, doesn't make sense, the best thing I can do is walk off, especially if they haven't thought things through or seem incapable of it. The adrenaline surge is incredible and fast. I think it is being an INFJ that is the limiter. Being a communicator and a creator is a very efficient braking system and people have been extremely complimentary of my character with them and I remember someone saying to me that they had thought that they had really annoyed me because I had frozen them out. He said that they really must have because I was the friendliest person he'd ever met. The braking system, thankfully, appears to work very well. I was astonished! However, keeping the sides of my character, the nervousness, the temper and being 'the nicest person' is extremely exhausting, has led historically to several nervous breakdowns and lengthy depressive episodes in which I just have to isolate myself from contact. As you say Denise, sometimes it is better to be by yourself. I would have loved a relationship in my life. I just don't think it's possible and after being a carer, which was almost an impossible strain to endure, a retirement with meditative painting and drawing seems paradise. Which is why I am so thankful to Soazburrolady's post on the anti-ET maintenance.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/23/2018

Loved seeing your note this a.m. John. So much of it was like you had "read my diary";) I'm sitting here drinking my new Chicory "coffee" and it is so good all I can be is grateful for the information I can find on the internet. Working on finding what I am eating, drinking or supplementing with that gives me a sort of hypoglycemic feeling. I get the jitters, sicky stomach. If I don't have it today, I will be fairly certain it was the coffee. Putting all the good foods, and supplements in my bod make me think that even a little of a "toxic" substance could set me sailing, lol!

You mentioned a couple of things that hit me right between the eyes, being very out-going with people socially, but yet being so comfy at home in my space;) No one does know what goes on when I am alone and upset about something. I really seem to hate myself sometimes, and beat me up bad. Never others, and I honestly hope and pray that the SAM-e I ordered yesterday will help with that. Suffered depression my whole life, and after reading some stories/reviews, that may be something for me. I simply can't stand anti-depressants and their side effects.

I don't want to go on here, but I could;) I so enjoyed your letter. I don't do painting or anything artistic, but I am a dancer, and will do that. Just myself, turning on some tunes etc. I also love to interior decorate my place, and really have fun with that. The other thing that I love is photography, although nothing professional, it's only for me, and a few friends like seeing it on Facebook when I get a few shots out walking the area;)

I better get off here now because I know this isn't really a social forum. I hope your day is filled with lots of good things John:) Denise

John
Suffolk, England
10/25/2018

Denise:

Would you have, what they describe in Ayurvedic medicine as 'monkey mind'? That is, a mind in which there is ceaseless chatter, analysis after analysis, a traffic jam of thoughts that are trying to go through a too-small turnstile. Sometimes, this will go on like echolalia of the brain, even with bits of unrelated garbage to the point where you literally tell your own brain to shut up and the best thing to do is occupy it to the fullest extent possible by putting the music on, And the more intricate the music - and dance moves - the better. This could be an interesting, possibly vital comparison!

Kt
Usa
10/28/2018

Denise,

I'm happy to hear you received the NA but it will not advise you on the toxic effects of capsules in addition to binders and fillers of other supplements. This is what I learned for well over two decades, piecemeal by the process of elimination after I was contacted by a toxicologist in NM and put in touch with those who went to the food industry to have them test their own products.

The NA will advise you on the importance of taking all the B vitamins together because too much of any one can cause a deficiency in the others. The recommended 50 mg. of all was good but I occasionally take 100. I feel magnesium, ginger and the B's could help you more than the addition of a variety of supplements. BSM is good too. Just my opinion from what has happened to me.

I believe some of our conversation has been separated but is here in this thread, just not in the order posted. It's a "seek and find" situation and I am running out of time to do this now that my husband is here.

KT

Replied by Art
California
10/22/2018
416 posts

Phyllis (Fl),

What has shown benefit in Parkinson's Disease is thiamine / vitamin B-1. It has shown potential to significantly reduce many of the multiple symptoms associated with PD when used at high oral or intramuscular dosing.

Art

Replied by Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/25/2018

John: am I on candid camera?? If I'm not, thanks for such an enlighting bit of information. From a voice of experience I'm guessing.

John Schiltz
Suffolk, England
10/28/2018

Denise: Also check up on the relationship between ASD and inhibitory neurons and GABA, which is an ingredient of the Theanine Serene. One comment on YouTube says he uses the product to calm down the ASD sensory overload. Since using the supplement, and the Magnesium, not only have my tremors subsided, but my anxiety and temper flashes gone down so I can interrelate with people easier. My brain also processes information easier. The occasional Brahmi also helps.

Replied by John
Suffolk, England
10/27/2018

Denise: OK! Look within your family history. Possible things to look for: addictive personalities, people who have, for instance, had to go to rehab or should for smoking or drinking or other. Adrenaline junkies, people who crave pushing the limit when driving and getting a buzz, or something similar. This one may seem odd, but, skin conditions like psoriasis or ichthyosis. Women, either full blown ichthyosis or just dry, flakey skin on the lower legs or upper arms. A higher than, what might be called average, of broken up relationships.

My own family includes all of these, in this instance, passed via my grandmother and down the female line. She had ET, also her eldest son and myself. Her eldest son had a 'temper', an individual best not to get into an argument as he had flashing fists. In our family, the women don't have the full blown skin problem, although they do exhibit the dryish, flaky skin on the lower legs as they get older. The behavioural issues seem to be linked according to a recent study, a copy of which should still be available on line. Bare in mind, the condition of the skin jumps generations. I have an extremely dysfunctional family who try their hardest not to talk to each other. Mostly, I have pieced together information over the years through accident and delving and recognising that " there's something funny going on here and I ain't laughing! ". Fortunately, I have recently found common ground with a cousin who is equally inquisitive. He believes he is Aspergers ENFJ.

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/28/2018

Dear John,

I think you confused Denise with me?? I am the one that reported to her as having had a spitfire temper. I am old now and under control just by avoiding things that I know can upset me, (i.e., capsules and hidden sources of MSG). My husband still flies off once in awhile but I know he eats things that affect him that way. I don't get upset and argue back anymore. I can stay away from him until he cools down.

Hindsight is 20/20. I was eating a lot of hidden MSG from a variety of sources in addition to whole wheat bread which has been reported directly linked to schizo behavior.

KT

Dardenel
Us
10/28/2018
36 posts

Whole wheat bread?? I have eaten tons of it in the last year, or two or three:( I'm going to look into this right away, thank you for this post.

John Schiltz
Suffolk, England
10/28/2018

Hi Kt:

No, it's OK. Denise mentioned your post on the subject of "a spitfire temper" and said that she had one too. Yes, I read up on the connections with wheat. At the moment I am toying with the notion of going completely wheat-free again, just to see what happens. I stick to Sourdough bread at present, which seems to make a difference, however, if I have proof that it is not just a full blown problem with gluten, but wheat itself, I will rid it from my diet entirely and for good.

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/28/2018

It was me Kt, I had said that I read where someone had a spitfire temper (your post I had read) and related to that basically because mine is horrible. I'm glad it's calming down since starting my supps. I'm also glad I live alone and can only beat up myself, but in doing that, I realize I really need to do all I can to change that sort of "attack".

I appreciate the info on the wheat bread, and I have a list of all the “other" names for msg. The more I read, the more I wish I'd started this journey earlier in life, but I'm doing it now.

I dropped down to zero Mag. Citrate, and just 1 Magnesium Glyconate per day (compared to the 400 went down to 200). Still 2 per day Theanine Serene, and 2 Magtein. I do ACV first thing in a.m. now, with BSM. I also am not taking the ALC because someone said that could cause the jitters.

My bods a testing-ground, but I am reading all I can, and working on it all every day. Very hopeful still, 20 days into it. I'm sorry I am so scattered on this board, I'll try to do better. Oh, and I do take my B50 complex I saw Ted's remedies suggest. I'm reading about each supplement, the best "type" of each to take. I can't get your 20 years of knowledge but I may live long enough thanks to these supplements, to gain at least some of what you've learned:) Thanks Kt and enjoy being with your hubby:)

John S.
Suffolk, England
10/30/2018

All: There seem to be a number of articles on Noncoeliac Wheat Sensitivity. Also a TED talk.

Additionally; connections between this sensitivity and neurological damage, re: lesions and the occurrences of Schizophrenia, Autism Spectrum Disorder and Essential Tremors. Time, maybe, to either deal with the inconvenience of maintaining a completely wheat-free diet or putting up with all the disorders that it seems to be creating. It begins to look as if going to sourdough may not be enough. I've tried what they call 'gluten-free'. It's disgusting and disproportionately expensive, as are any products under the 'special' diet label. People try the Paleo Diet. Need to investigate.

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/29/2018

I thought I would mention to you that my husband gets violent when he eats whole wheat. I don't know what makes the difference, but we can eat bread made from wheat flour and Spelt without getting riled. The store ran out of the bread we usually get so I got the same brand in whole wheat. Oh my goodness, I had to throw more than half the loaf away. In addition, he cannot eat whole wheat crackers without getting grumpy. The same thing happened to me when I ate yogurt. I loved yogurt but our daughter observed how irritable I got when I ate yogurt...plain yogurt, so I just stopped. I am able to drink 2% milk but I get it in glass bottles, not plastic. Not everyone can tolerate the same thing so that's why I said it had been over a two decade piecemeal endeavor.

Here's one report: GLUTEN AND SCHIZOPHRENIA Fri, 05 Apr 13 08:22:39 -0500 04/04/2013: Lily from Kelowna, BC: "Dr. HOFFER did not only recommend vitamins and supplements. He also recommended a gluten, dairy & sugar free diet for most patients. It has been well known since the 1950's that wheat gluten can cause various schizo type behaviors. I heard Dr. Hoffer speak at a psych class at the U of S in 1964 also later at a public forum in Saskatoon.

Replied by Kt
Usa
10/30/2018

Dear Friends: I wanted to mention this earlier but just didn't. I was diagnosed with IBS several years ago and I noticed sourdough pretzels were really hard on my GI tract so I avoid sourdough anything.

I used to bake my own bread with unbleached naturally white flour. I could not use the typical "bread flour". I stopped because it seemed more of an expense and a waste of time for me and it was not that much better than what we can purchase for reasons below.

I strongly feel that infiltration of GMO's cannot be avoided just due to wind and bird droppings that has gone on for decades. Our entire food supply has been tainted. Now it would be a good time for a Bible lesson about this but not everyone wants to embrace that so I'll practice self-control.

The reason I got into the food issue was because I had traumatic brain injuries along with several head & neck traumas. My difficulties are called "Head injury Deficits". They are also ADHD characteristics. When I started seeing news briefs about the toxic effects of MSG and the onset of Alzheimer's along with other neurodegenerative diseases I felt there had to be a common denominator. There is...our food supply.

We get Nature's Own Butterbread and I can only eat one slice at a time, but not everyday. Oh, I know, it's got other bad stuff in it but taking magnesium and vit. C offer some protection and I am able to tolerate it. Sometimes I use a red skin potato as a bread exchange. Since I weeded various hidden sources of MSG out of my diet and started cooking differently, my mind became clearer and my fits of rage are nil.

I truly hope some of this will help you dear friends looking for answers.

Love,

KT

Denise
Crescent City, Ca
10/31/2018

I appreciate this Kt. I'm working on the bread thing, and Nature's own is my fave whole wheat bread. Yesterday I got out the label to what all was in it, and if there was hidden msg under another name. Still not sure as my msg "fake name" list might not be the best, just googled and got one from a site. I haven't been taking any C, or Calcium as I got scared off by some info I had read. I think I need to take a daily dose though and test that one out for myself too.

I love the bible, and that's all I'll say as I know it's not welcome to talk any religion here, but I'm with you girlfriend;)

If anyone has a pretty, good "complete list" of msg, or better than the one I have (which is a list of 23 names) I would so appreciate the list. People are going crazy everywhere I go (and I'll include myself in that). I just wonder after hanging around all the info here on what we are eating, is it any wonder at all.

Kt
Usa
10/31/2018

Denise,

I was working on a reply to you when my connection was dropped and remained disconnected until about 7 PM tonight.

The Nature's Own whole wheat is the one I had to throw away. The "Nature's Own Butterbread" is the one we use but if hubs eats four slices he can get a little grumpy, not too bad.

I have never taken calcium supps and won't. The NA kinda frowns on magnesium supplements but I will never go without. I'm going to trust the people more who researched what is in our food and how to make attempts to protect myself. Adequate magnesium prevents kidney stones and gallstones. It also prevents arthritis pain. I drive with a clutch and my left big toe is my magnesium barometer!

I'm just posting this now to encourage not taking calcium supplements. I take 1,000 mg. of the NatureMade vitamin C at least once a day.

Cook your broccoli, cauliflower and carrots until tender for assimilation. The only things I buy fresh are onions, potatoes, carrots and garlic. Sometimes apple and green pepper. Frozen or canned without salt have been blanched and are easier to cook until tender. I cook veggies until tender but the garlic I mince and swallow the pieces after I've eaten a well cooked carrot or had coffee with milk. I have to have something in my stomach or the raw garlic can set it on fire! I will never give up coffee and hubs makes jokes about how strong I make it! I'll have to continue this at another time.

KT

John S.
Suffolk, England
11/03/2018

Hi KT:

Just posting after reading the thread, in that you may be interested in the history of Dimethyl Sulfoxide, MSM or methylsulfonylmethane and the disappearance of the symptoms of arthritis amongst workers at the paper mills. Also, having had your same problem in the feet, how it has, now, completely disappeared since I supplemented with MSM, to the point where I can down a tub of it and the pain stays gone. The last tub I had was two months ago. Still no problems.

Replied by Kt
Usa
11/05/2018

Hi John,

Thanks for your suggestion but I don't have arthritis pain other than when I neglect to take magnesium. That is really a rare occurrence but thought I'd mention it.

I have been learning to make food my medicine. I can only afford a few supplements and spices. That's more of an expense but has been worth it so far! I think my mind is clearer! I really do appreciate your suggestion, though. ;-)

KT

Replied by Phyllis
Fl
11/10/2018

Thanks, Art, for the response concerning Parkinson disease for taking the supplements that you suggested for my husband.

I will have him read the recommendation and hopefully he will research the supplements recommended.

Replied by Art
California
11/11/2018
416 posts

Phyllis (Fl),

I have a lot of information for your husband when he is ready, just need to figure out a way to get it to you when that time comes.

Art

Replied by Phyllis
Fl
11/20/2018

Hello Art. My husband said that he doesn't think that his Parkinson disease is not bad yet and does not want to add another supplement. I will be in touch if and when he decides that he needs more supplements for his condition. Thanks again.

Phyllis

Art
California
11/20/2018
416 posts

Phyllis,

Many people don't realize that the currently available meds for PD and most supplements do nothing to halt or even slow disease progression and they merely work to try and control symptoms while the underlying disease progresses unabated even though symptoms may be well controlled for now. Eventually the meds can lose effectiveness even with increased dosing until they may no longer control the symptoms that he is taking them for. What I am talking about is different in this respect. When you are relatively symptom free is the time to be as proactive as possible in order to preserve what you have before the disease progression level becomes too advanced and irreversible damage is done to the brain.

I understand what your husband is saying and so I will stop here.

Art

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La
11/27/2018

To everyone following this wonderful thread... please note that we will moving the site shortly to a new platform and the "notify me" email function will not be available to start with. You will be still, however, be able to find this thread on the new platform under the Ailments - Essential Tremors.

Comments will NOT have the notify me option to begin with, but we hope to add that customized component in time.

Replied by Denise
Us
11/27/2018
36 posts

Essential Tremors - I'd like to up my dosage of Mag. Glycinate. I'm taking 400 mg total per day right not. I was taking the Mag. citrate with this to equal 600 magnesium mg per day but I feel more confident about just taking the glycinate. I did read a blurb on how good the Mag. malate is as well so I may even change over to that. It will be 2 months for me being on the magnesium, and my tremors are better at times, but very bad at other times still. Any advice is welcome. What I'd like to try is what another gal is taking and that is the following, and she had a blood pressure issue so I don't know if this kind of a regime would help my tremor but I'm willing to try. Really like to hear from some of you on this amount though. This lady is taking the following amounts, and I'll just copy and paste her routine. She no longer has any blood pressure issues:

"i used to have high blood pressure I take 2 kal glycinate and 2 source naturals ultra mag in the am 2 ultra mag in the afternoon and 2 glycinate and 2 ultra mag in the eve before bed . I weigh 110 lbs and my blood pressure is 114 over 70 most times. I hope that helps. it took me 3 weeks before my blood pressure came down."

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/03/2018

Hi Denise,

I suggest you start keeping a diary of what you eat drink with the times. Some MSG reactions had been recorded up to 72 hrs. later. When your tremors are worse, look back at what you ingested. If you can determine what triggers the tremors taking extra magnesium and "C" prior to ingestion may help prevent them OR you would discover what you need to avoid and find an alternative.

I started doing that a couple years ago to make sure I didn't double up on something that may cause a problem like too much magnesium or vitamin C. Sometimes I'd think, "Did I take that this morning or yesterday?" Especially the black peppercorns or BS & BSM. I get up so early here, by mid afternoon it feels like the next day to me. I have a supply of some supplements in the upstairs bathroom the same as in the kitchen. I bought a pack of 3 X 5 spiral notebooks that are easy to carry from floor to floor or in a pocket to record the times I take whatever, whenever.

While this site transition was going on I sent a post about the flowing agent in common table salt being a definite trigger. I think the flowing agent alone is at the root of arthritis. During my piecemeal learning endeavor, I discovered that just the flowing agent in salt triggered my sciatica. Please believe that through a painstaking trial & error ordeal, I learned this fact. I haven't been here much to know if that was posted due to hubs being back in hospital. I thought it was but it's worth mentioning again for you and ORH because I can't sit here to review posts. MtM and I use Real Salt that does not contain a flowing agent. I believe the flowing agent alone causes more ailments than is recognized.

KT

Denise
Us
12/03/2018
36 posts

Hello Kt, I am sorry to hear your husband has had to go back to the hospital. I hope he is home again soon. Thank you as always for sharing your routines, and discoveries.

I have a journal online at a fitness site, but haven't been using it. I also take notes here next to my PC. But I have not been consistent enough, not near enough. So thank you for the reminder. I will start putting all I am eating, and taking, times etc. It's not that hard, and I've been on a roll before (in the habit of logging my foods) keeping track. It's really necessary to do that if I am going to be able to pinpoint what is working, and what isn't. It's an uphill battle but so worth it because my whole frame of mind has changed in the 2 months I've been with Earthclinic and the good folks here like you.

I have wondered about the BSM being so sweet and how regular sugar used to cause me almost withdrawal-type symptoms, and I would have to grab anything I could to eat. It was usually not healthy stuff either. So these jitters I mentioned are and inside-feeling, not my tremor. But my anxiety etc. is ramped up so not good all-around.

I use only Sea Salt I get at the health-food store, or the Pink Himalayan. I am hoping that's ok for me, although I try not to use any if I can right now as I wondered it that was spiking my tinnitus. Also I'm a bit concerned since I started the B50 complex and especially the B12 @ 5000 micrograms a day. So it's time to pay attention more, and do as you suggest, write things down;)

Denise


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Thank you to everyone for your contributions to this site. It has been so helpful knowing that I'm not alone & that there are solutions to help (other than all the meds that seem to make my symptoms worse)

  • magnesium (250 mg every am)
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This combination has relieved my symptoms to the point of being able to resume my life! NO caffeine trying to eliminate all chocolate :( Life is good!

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10/24/2014
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Hello everyone, The tremour in my hands has become more difficult as I got older, I can't do cursive writing and have trouble with holding spoons. However, I have started taking Mega Magnesium complex tablets and this seems to have helped. Tremours have slowed considerably and I don't feel as though I'm shaking all the time. Hope this information helps. Regards Sharron from Australia

Replied by Dave
Fountain Inn, Sc
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Hello Sharon;

I'd add on AEP....(Calcium AEP)...membrane integrity factor. I can't stop recommending it...

Read about it on line...Google "nutrition review calcium AEP"

I take six a day and it is a vital part of what I've developed as my "Longevity Program"...

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Sharon, how long after taking Mega Mag did you start seeing any results? Also, what's your dosage intake?



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