Natural Detox: Complementary and Alternative Medicine

Detoxing from Chlorine Poisoning
Posted by Kelly (Miami) on 09/25/2013

My friend was on a jobsite 30 years ago that had a fatal chlorine spill (gas). I was evacuated from school 4 miles away! I am now a friend to one of the victims on that jobsite. He has been dealing with pain in upper stomach for 30 years. Nerves activate it . Very painful in fetal position for 24 hours now ? What can I start to do to alleve the pain? Worried, Kelly

Detoxing from Chlorine Poisoning
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee, Usa) on 09/26/2013

Dear Kelly,

So sorry about your friend! I have already suggested charcoal to a number of people today... But it does have so many applications!

Charcoal adsorbs chlorine, so it is indicated for chlorine poisoning. Of course, by now it may be just the damage done and not the chlorine itself causing trouble, but it is still a good choice for detox and for pain. Your friend could use charcoal poultices over the pained area. (Directions are in the activated charcoal section of this website. ) He could also take 1 t. activated charcoal in 8 oz. of water 2-3 times a day.

Slippery Elm Bark Powder is also soothing and healing to the gut. You can make a healing porrige with 1 T. of the powder and stir in warm water, a little honey and a pinch of salt and he can eat this a few times a day.

Comfrey and plantain are also healing and soothing. He can make a tea with these herbs and drink liberally. Avoid foods that are hard on the system - fried foods, coffee, soda pop.

Is this normal for your friend? Has he ruled out other causes of this pain? Does he have other symptoms or fever? I have made the mistake for myself of assuming one this is causing my problems and nearly missed an emergency situation. (I thought I had indigestion but really had a rupturing fallopian tube.)

Please keep us posted on your friend's progress.

~Mama to Many~

Detoxing from Gadolinium Dye
Posted by Cindy (Wis. Usa) on 09/11/2013

Request information from Bill from San Fernando and others as to how to detox from gadolinium Dye from my MRI: I had no idea this dye was toxic till after the fact of having the MRI done. What can or should I do to get it out besides drinking water? Thanks to all for any info.

Detoxing from Gadolinium Dye
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee, Usa) on 09/12/2013

Charcoal is wonderful for detox. You can get a container of activated charcoal powder at your health food store. Mix 1 1/2 t. In 8 oz. Water and drink it twice a day. Do not take with 2 hours of medication as it will adsorb them as well as toxins. Do this for a couple of weeks.

You can also take a charcoal bath. 1 cup of charcoal in the bath water. Soak 30 minutes. Shower afterwards. Charcoal baths are messy, though. Be careful if you have low blood pressure as charcoal baths can lower blood pressure. You could also just do epsom salt baths. I would do some sort of detox bath 3x a week for a couple of weeks.

~Mama to Many~

Rife Machine
Posted by Carly (Wa, Usa) on 09/05/2013

Hi Robert Henry,

It is so good to hear from you.... Glad you are doing well. I always enjoy your posts. Now I want some apple sauce.... Darn it! ;-) I will have to look into what a rife machine is. I know I read about it a while back, but forget now what exactly one is / does. Happy Fall to you and yours!

Rife Machine
Posted by Anthony (Philadelphia) on 03/29/2014

Hi Henry,

how long have you been using the rife machine? I have c.diff and SIBO- small intestinal bacteria overgrowth. Do you think this would help? I have food allergies, colitis, and skin sissies from the all. I'm not sure if the investment is worth it? Is this machine expensive? Thank you in advance!

Rife Machine
Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 03/29/2014

HI U ATHONY , , , , , , , , , , At my age, I'm just taking one terrible trouble at a time. Right now I 've got a crushed T 12 vertebrae that is consuming all my attention. I bought a Rife machine after I had defeated lymphoma and figured cancer would be back for a visit. A broke back came first.

Don't know all your health problems and am not an expert. Seems to me that you should probably look at cleaning up your innards before you take on a Rife machine. Yep, it's expensive as all get out. My suggestion is to buy Dr Hulda Clark's book and clean up your body in the order she suggests.

My latest project is building Crappie Condo's from bamboo cane soes we can fill our freezers with fish. Hell to be poor, living off the land, and jus barely getting by. If you are living on store bought stuff then that is the reason you have health problems. First thing to do is bake your own bread. Bread is no longer bread, it is a chemical compound that has weight and takes up space. It was once called matter. Now it is called bread.

I have researched why I have bone problems and it is due to taking a Big Pharma drug for 15 years. Will know better in the next life.

=====OLE ROBERT HENRY========

Red Lentil Soup
Posted by Friendlyfeline (Canada) on 07/31/2013
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

Hello Earth Clinic! LOVING your website!! I have been eating red lentil soup for lunch and dinner the past three days as a type of cleansing. However, today my stool is black!! Is this the toxins coming out?? Should I be worried? Thanks!!

I have also been losing weight on this soup. The red lentil soup is very filling -- and I am the type that is ALWAYS hungry, but not since eating this soup. I am doing this as a cleanse, the losing weight is a nice unexpected side effect. For the soup I just used water (not broth) than add spices for taste (garlic, paprika, thyme, black pepper, sea salt).

Posted by Alley (Hell, Pa) on 04/06/2013
5 out of 5 stars

asparagus juice

totally unrelated to anything ehrer but I had potassium deffiency and we made asparagus one for dinner one night

well you know all those chunks on the asparagus you cant seem soft enough to chew without teeth (one of the reasons juicing was invented just add in pulp in my opinon, so what if it looks like baby food you are gettign your vieggies in). well we did it, I had a osteo infection in my to I was also low on agnesium, calcium, vit d and sick allth e time falling apart and so on. well this recipie go me phone call back from my kidney doctor and the wound clinic.

so I juiced the hard ends, you get a lot of them and (at the cost of eggies anymore, I thought it was wasteful to feed them to the critters in the woods) you gotta go slow and take your time they do take a while to juice up. you get a really thick green thing of juice I tosssed in garglic (natures antibiotic) and stirred in some kep, I can not remember what else. 9at least I did not add the apple cider vinegar. Oh also cayanne pepper, if I recall it's eben a few motnhs. Since my old juicer broke down. :( it only lasted two years.

*ick, good for liver mixed in water*

but when the blodwork came in (the blood work was taken three daysafter id did this) they said my levels were soooo high and stop whateveri was doing. sad thing is, that bone infection well, I was the fasest healign person in the wound clinic.

i would only recomend this about once a week. the drink is thick and its kinda yukky drink but it worked. that is all I have to say. plug your nose vbefore you drink it. oh and I am glas I chose kep and not the moss for the kidneys I can't seem to be able to keep the moss down.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 02/26/2013

Hi. Our family suffered a near tragedy seven weeks ago when my husband nearly died in a car from carbon monoxide poisoning. Since that time we have noticed increased memory problems (he's always had some memory issues but they are worse now), fatigue, and even a loss of his normal voice. He used to have a lovely singing voice but can't hit many of the notes any longer.

He is 59 years old, overweight, high blood pressure and borderline diabetic. He suffers from depression (since he was a child) and has recently been diagnosed as bipolar. I've been reading online about carbon monoxide poisoning and realize that is what's causing his symptoms. The doctors will only say that we should give it 6-12 months and the effects may reverse.

Is there something he can do now?

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Art (Tustin, Ca.usa) on 02/27/2013

In reply to Linda: Try researching melatonin and its protective effects on the brain after damage from different insults. Carbon monoxide poisoning will probably have some similarities with stroke damage as both involve lack of oxygen to the brain for a period of time resulting in increased oxidation and free radical production which will damage the cells. Melatonin has been shown to be safe in humans at pharmacological dosing and is a potent antioxidant that can readilly cross the blood/brain barrier to get to the damaged areas. Melatonin has shown some benefit in diabetes also, but you need to consult with your doctor and get his/her approval before using melatonin for any medical purpose as the suggested dose is likely to be 20mg to 70mg per night, not the usual 3 to 5 mg dose used as a sleep aid. I can tell you from my own experience at 60 mg per night, my main side effect was morning drowsiness, which slowly declined over three weeks of use, but I had this same effect at 20mg per night and it too dissipated over a couple of weeks.

More specific to CO poisoning, Russian scientists have been testing a combination supplement called "Cytoflavin", as an injection/infusion.

Cytoflavin appears to be composed of the following: Succinic acid, Inosine, Nicotinamide and Riboflavin Sodium Phosphate. Here is a link to the only website I found that has information on it:

It looks like your doctor would have to contact them about local availability.

Lastly curcumin has shown some benefit, but curcumin requires high dosing and I'm not sure that curcumin can traverse the blood/brain barrier very easilly. As a potential alternative, Meriva, a liposomal form of curcumin that is available in capsules from most major online vitamin suppliers may be more useful as it is promoted as being able to enter body tissues readilly and have longer staying capabilities than regular curcumin while requiring a significantly lower dose than standard curcumin. Again, you would need to get your doctors approval before using meriva or melatonin or cytoflavin, assuming cytoflavin is even available here.

Good luck with your research!


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 02/28/2013

Thank you Art, for pointing me in the right direction. I'll start my research! Linda

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky) on 03/01/2013 2077 posts

If I might add, I get best results by taking NAC and Selenium in combination with Melatonin, as used together, significantly boost the body's master antioxidant Glutathione.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/01/2013

Timh: Regarding "NAC and Selenium in combination with Melatonin", how much per dose, how many doses per day and for how long (days, weeks, months, or till symptoms disappear) shall he take these? I want to be sure not to over or under dose him.

Thank you in advance for your guidance.


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Art (Tustin, Ca. Usa) on 03/02/2013

In reply to Linda:

I did not recomend NAC in my previous post to you, even though it is well known to improve glutathione production in the human body as well as detoxify because the following abstract implies that it may cause other issues when used for the purpose of carbon monoxide poisoning. This abstract is suggesting melatonin did not have the same problem as NAC:

The problem is this is a rodent study and may or may not translate into human use, but I was thinking to err on the side of safety and melatonin has a very good safety profile. This abstract does not go into much detail as to what the exact problem was with NAC.


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 03/02/2013 2077 posts

Linda: Follow the recommended dosage on the product labels. The NAC probably 1 or 2 500mg on empty stomach once day. Selenium 200 mcgs once day. Melatonon at least 3 or up to 9 or more mg once daily before retiring. These recommendations are safe for long-term defense.

As for your report of husband's chronic conditions, the above will help, but I would also recommend a very good health food store brand mens mult. W/ every meal. Extra antioxidant supplements you might consider is vit-a, vit-e, zinc, vit-c. The mineral Chromium (as Picolinate) in combination w/ Cinnamon will help prevent diabetes. ACV will help the hypertension.

Also, to boost the body's natural defense and restore cellular vitality, try Wheat Sprouts. The Wheat Sprout Enzymes will breath new life to the sick cells.

In addition, I would very much recommend hot baths w/ 1/4 cup Epsom Salt and 1/4 cup Baking Soda, as these salts will help neutralize toxins as well as eliminate them through sweating. One main bad side effect of chemical exposures is acidosis. Acidosis prevents the production and utility of enzymes and coenzymes. The salts reverse the acidosis and greatly improve oxygenation (which is the goal of all the antioxidant supplements). 2 or 3 baths per wk. untill substantial recovery.

My apologies on the lengthy recommendations, but events (chemical exposures) like these plus the aging factor, plus the preconditions you detailed, could spell a rapid or irreversible decline. Hopefully the protocols will restore your husband's health.

Please update us any progress or changes.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/02/2013

An update on his condition: He came home early from work (he stands at work for 11.5 hrs a day). While at work he used the men's room and discovered his urine was the color of cranberry juice. I had him call his doctor and she told him she was "worried" and wanted him to go for a urinalysis. He arranged to leave work early so he could go to a lab this afternoon. Unfortunately the lab won't have any results for us till Mon or Tue. Why do things always seem to happen on the weekends?

Art: Thank you for the link. I understand your thoughts regarding the rodents. It's often difficult to extrapolate to humans, isn't it. I will continue my studies and present all I have learned here and elsewhere to my husband for his thoughts. I appreciate that you are trying to cautious.

Timh: My thanks to you as well for the clarification as to strength, dosing, etc. My husband already takes ACV (although due to his memory issues, not as often as he had). With the help of ACV, his blood pressure improved so much his doctor cut his blood pressure medication dosage in half last summer. She was quite pleased.

He does take Vit C now - 1,000 mg twice a day. I will look into purchasing the rest but I'm afraid to start anything till we know why his urine looks so bloody. I am really concerned and wonder if this is related to the poisoning or something else entirely? He's been quite tired but we had assumed it was going back to a difficult job after nearly four weeks out due to his health.

I'll keep you both advised.

Thank you both - Linda

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Katy (Lv, Nv) on 03/02/2013

Hi Linda, I read your post last night and I am sorry to hear about your husband. It reminded me of a situation that happened to me and my family about 40 years ago, I was about ten and I remember it pretty clearly. It was winter and the house was kept closed up pretty tight, we had a problem with our heater. The entire family (5) of us were very ill. We thought we had the flu and my mom and I went to the Dr. Of course we were "fine" in his opinion. My brother and father felt better when they were outside, but me, mom and my sister in law were really hit hard, kept passing out, stumbling around, headache... Just sick. Finally my mom told my brother to call an ambulance.... An hour later we were in the emergency room, x rays and oxygen... Come to find out we were a few hours away from death. Long story short, we all recovered so I'm hoping your husband recovers as well.... just want to give you some hope.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Art (Tustin, Ca.usa) on 03/03/2013

In reply to Linda: I'm sorry to hear about this new complication for your husband.

Since you have the weekend to "research", I am attaching links to studies about melatonin that you may find helpful. I wanted to attach a chart that shows how melatonin declines as we age, but I don't know how to take it from "my documents" and place it into this message. Basically it shows a steady rise from the age of 3 months until the age of 6 years followed by a relatively flat period from 6 to 12 years of age followed by a fairly steep decline from the age of approximately 12 to 14 years when it peaks around 125 pg/ml to the age of about 57 where it starts to flatline around 5 pg/ml on into the 70's and 80's....... basically a negligible amount.

The following link discusses melatonin and how it is much more than just another potent antioxidant:

This next link discusses at length the anti-inflammatory effects of melatonin as well as interactions and protective effects to the brain and central nervous system:

The following link is to a human study that used 10mg of melatonin per day combined with Omeperazole to treat gastric and duodenal ulcers and h. pylori intestinal infection:

This next link is to an abstract of another human study that shows that the increased antioxidant potential caused by melatonin supplementation continues for more than a week after discontinuation of supplementation:

This next link is to an abstract of a double blind placebo controlled study of COPD in humans where melatonin was shown to have some benefit, however the dose was quite low at only 3mg/day. Further studies at higher doses for COPD seem warranted:

A quick word about melatonin as a radioprotectant:

The next two abstracts are from a two stage study of melatonin in the treatment of Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy using 70 mg of melatonin per day for at least 9 months with significant results:

There is quite a bit of research regarding melatonin and its beneficial effects in cancer as well as its synergism with multiple chemo agents. Melatonin also has the ability to help protect the human body against some of the negative effects of chemo and radiation therapy. One scientist (Lissoni P. ) that I have read some of the studies has been researching melatonin since the mid 1980's and has done the majority of these studies in the relationship of melatonin and cancer. The last study I could find was dated, in 2012, so almost 30 years of studying that cancer/melatonin relationship. I think it says a lot that a scientist has basically devoted their career to mainly researching one substance, melatonin!

So that should give you some good study material to research and help you understand the true value of melatonin in many health conditions. These links that I have posted here are just the tip of the iceberg as far as the total potential of melatonin. The more you research it, the more you will realize just how much potential melatonin has. I hope melatonin will be helpful and your husband will make a full recovery!

Good reading to you.


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/03/2013

Katy, your family did have quite a scare! I have hope for an answer to my husband's issues with all the help from the good people at EarthClinic. Thank you for sharing your story with me.

Linda :)

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/03/2013

Art, Wow! This will be a lot of reading and I look forward to it. I start back at my work tomorrow so I will have a little less time than I've had these past 6 weeks. I've been on FML (Family Medical Leave) in order to help my husband since his release from the hospital but I must return to work. I won't have access to the internet at work so I will read what I can once home in the evenings.

I can't thank you enough for all the links you have sent. The medical doctors he has seen are all taking a "wait and see" attitude. My feeling is that his brain and other affected organs need help and support now, not a year from now!

I'll pass on the results from his lab work as soon as we hear - that should be tomorrow (Monday) or Tuesday.

Thank you again and God Bless, Linda

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, USA) on 03/04/2013 2077 posts

Linda: I have suffered w/ Chemical Injury for many years, and have almost died twice. I can tell you from personal as well as others experiences, that 98% Medical Doctors (MD's) DO NOT treat Chemical Injuries except as Emergency Medicine. Environmental Illnesses are not legitimate, and the people who live to deal with them almost always get diagnosed as psychosomatic and are prescribed mood altering medications; this is the sad reality of how the system works. As for the 2% MD's that do treat environmental diseases, they constantly brace themselves against harassments and lawsuits. I think the majority of these Dr's are listed under Occupational Medicine. You might also search for "Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy" as this helps people recover from chemical exposure.

As all the info you'r reading can be confusing and you don't seem to be able to adopt any simple "safe" ( it is very common for people to view Nutritional Supplements in the same category of "safe" as prescription & otc drugs, when in fact nutritional supplements a way very much more safer and in large quantities compared to drugs) solutions for treatment, try and find a Natural Doctor (ND) in your area. ND will get your husband on a regimen of Natural Medicine that will likely save his life.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 03/04/2013

Hi Tim, I couldn't agree with you more as a result of personal experience. I worked in an office where there was a safety person always checking the air, and I repeatedly heard him say the gas is a little high. The doors would be opened and that was it. I didn't think much of it. I began to feel sick and hot at work, and by the time I get home I couldn't eat and thought I was getting the flu. By the next morning, I felt well again and the whole thing would start over. It suddenly occurred to me that the high gas levels were CO, which I couldn't actually believe, so I called the safety guy at home one evening and he confirmed it was CO! I went out and bought a CO detector, and when I put it in my office, it went off detecting lethal levels. There was a crack in the furnace that was venting into my office and other places in the plant. We got it fixed immediately. But, to my astonishment, my doctor (former doctor now) would not see me. She had no appointments, even two weeks out and said evening appts. We're for chronic illnesses, like headaches, when a sore throat would normally get you in that day. I could get no one to see me, just for advice in case my heart or liver had been damaged. It was too late to go to the ER because I had been breathing oxygen by this time, and they said that is all they would do for me anyway. I have been distrustful of the medical community ever since. And I never had any inclination to sue anyone, if the Worker's Comp issue was the problem. I just wanted some information and advice, but no one would help me. So you are exactly correct in your thinking.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, USA) on 03/05/2013 2077 posts


... I think the majority of these Dr's are listed under Occupational, Alternative, Complementary, or Integrative Medicine.

Posted by Larry (Fairfax, Va/usa) on 03/17/2013

Reply to R. Adams from Liverpool: I found your posting re: detoxing acetaldehyde, of much interest. Can you indicate what type of negative reaction(s) you had from taking pantethine. Also, have you found any promising natural acetaldehyde detoxifiers with hopefully only limited side-effects? Thanks, Larry

Posted by Myway (Wilmington, De) on 01/02/2015

For anyone reading this post, be sure to use Food Grade diatomaceous earth (DE) not pool grade. Ingest DE daily. Helps with a host of stuff! :D


...Just Doing My Part!

Eliminate Artificial Sweeteners
Posted by Art (Vancouver Bc, Vancouver.) on 11/14/2012
5 out of 5 stars

Who Knew? I just have to make this post because I just for out about the effects of splenda an artificial sweetener I have been consuming for over 10 years. It can damage the immune system, your liver, cause blood sugar spikes, and here I was trying to get well with the BHT remedy, and trying to cure my neuropathy and all the while injesting this poison.

It's all in the garbage as of today and we will be going aue natural (Stevia). Just google splenda and you will see for yourself.

I hope this helps some one and it might be a good idea for earthclinic to have a new tab on harmful foods.

Thanks. art.

General Feedback
Posted by Cindi (Brick, Nj) on 11/13/2012

Hi Thank you so much for creating this site and helping so many with these remedies!

I am on Day 4 of the Borax, Baking Soda and ACV. At first I had a burst of energy on Day 1 but last 2 days I have been exhausted and have lots of aches and pains. It feels similiar to when I herxed with an antibiotic. Is this normal? Will The Borax cause herxing or a kill off? and if so how long will it last? This germ isn't leaving without a fight!!!

I am dedicated to getting through this but want to be sure I am on the right track. Thanks again!!

Regards, Cindi

Posted by Jennine (Holiday, Florida) on 10/21/2012

I just came in on this site, can you tell me what is a great cleanser to ride the body of toxic from smoking. I notice a slight cough what should be done beside the doctor.

Oil Pulling
Posted by Lavonne (Kansas City, Missouri) on 09/21/2012

I just started oil pulling on September 18, 2012. I started because my Chiropractor had told me to start due to a bacterial throat/ear/sinus infection with very bad sinus pressure and the back of my neck felt inflamed like I had the flu, and I didn't want to go the antibiotic route. I use EVCO and at first I swished 1 teaspoon for 20 minutes... I immediately started having inner tremors, crying and panic attacks for apparently no reason, so I called the Chiro and he told me I was detoxing way too fast, so now on his recommendation I swish for 5-6 minutes once daily in the morning, followed by sea salt water rinse and brushing. I was wondering, can I be having heavy detox symptoms just 4 days into all this? My throat has stopped hurting and my teeth/gums look great now, and the panic attacks have pretty much subsided, although I still wimp out and cry over all this every once in awhile! But I still have the heavy sinus/ear/back of neck pressure, and it makes it hard to get a full, good night's sleep. Also there's nothing coming out my nose, clear, green, or otherwise, it just feels dry as the Sahara inside my head, and as I said earlier, so much pressure! Here in the Midwest USA many people are dealing with Is this just detoxing or should I be worried? Thanks!

Oil Pulling
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 09/22/2012

Lavonne, read up on the h2o2 inhalation. For me it helps with any and all upper respiratory ailments, thank G-d.

Oil Pulling
Posted by Laura (Houston, Mo) on 11/02/2012

I have recently started oil pulling and noticed an increase in the anxiety/ depression too. I was also on steroids during this start so I blamed it on that. Hmmm... Thanks for sharing. I am doing much better now. I hope you are too. I have noticed clearer skin, better tooth and gum health and smaller pores in just a short time. I've been pulling for 20min using sesame oil every morning. I like it and look forward to seeing more results soon:)

General Feedback
Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn Usa) on 09/02/2012

HI U GOOD PEOPLE DOIN, , , Been researching about what Ozone Generator to buy to address an illness. I now know to buy a cold corrona glass system. I am amazed at the uses this product has in your home. Bought Ed McCabe's book and wanted to cry when I learned that he is another that the FDA put in prison for advocating natural ways to good health. We all may be next.

My question is have any of you bought and used an Ozone Generator? If so, can you shed some light on your experience. Hope to have an interesting tale to tell in about 6 months. One thing I have started is a flushing Niacin Sauna Detox. That is interesting and ole Ron L. Hubbard wrote a book about this in 1979. I ain't in his group, but he was not a dummy. All the Johnny come lately's are jumping on the wagon now.

Ya'll behave for a change. ==ROBERT HENRY===

General Feedback
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 09/04/2012 2077 posts

Robert Henry, I got Ed's book also and share your sympathy w/ his plight from the establishment. Ozone is definitely the answer for a polluted planet or organism. How to administer Ozone is the problem.

I bought a Hong Kong special off Ebay couple yrs back w/ the combined technologies of UV Ozone, Pos/Neg Ion Generator, and Corona Discharge. I used the Ion Generator and UV 24/7, for constant air purification and sometimes the Corona for a surge. The first two tech's were not quite enough and adding the Corona was tooo much, so as for any unit the important thing is maintaining the correct level. The Corona can produce Nitrogen Dioxide in the air but is more powerful compared to the cleaner UV. I have since bought a "New Living" brand that is not near as powerful as the HK model (of which the UV bulb is burned up and cannot find a replacement).

To get the best bang-for-the-buck I like the Negative Ion Generators as a primary purifier and then crank up the Ozone to the level that you can barely smell it.

Posted by Mikalmmyers (Claremont, Ca, Usa) on 08/29/2012
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

I'm doing a liver cleanse that calls for me to eat quite a bit of garlic. I am a massage therapist, which means I work in very close quarters with clients. My wife and 3 others have told me I smell like garlic now. Anyone have a remedy to rid the body smell until I finish in 3 more days?

Posted by Mm (Olympia, Wa) on 08/30/2012

Try sea salt water.

Posted by Linda (Lauzerte, France) on 11/28/2012

Try eating some fresh parsley, it really helps.

General Feedback
Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/29/2012

I have found 5 yr old blood tests that show efgr, creatinine levels really high. Docs never said anything but when I google it it seems to be about kidney distress. I am trying to get all these metals and virus toxins out of me who knows how much candida & pesticides. Has anyone had an organics test done? So expensive. Considering it OR for a good juicer so I can do the MBP - if I can handle it. For the moment, just once a day Ive been blending the beetroot, cooking it for a few mins with fennel in filtered water and drinking immediately. I notice the butter oil & cod liver oil comes highly recommended but Ive been told not to have cod liver oil as it slows down your metabolism.

Im desperate for some reprieve from this pain & being beaten up by chemicals.

General Feedback
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/30/2012
5 out of 5 stars

Robyn, I dunno what to tell you but one thing for sure: you ARE on your way to healing, keep trying and somehow, somewhere, some day the BINGO will happen!

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/30/2012

Hi Robyn, Glad to see you're rallying! Good for you... Hadn't seen you on here for awhile and was thinking about you and wondering how you were doing. Mmsg is right, you'll find an answer. I know sometimes it seems as if we've hit a dead end but eventually the right answers come. Did you ever use sodium thiosulfate? I can't recall, I know you've tried so many things! The last time you came on you seemed that you were throwing in the towel and were going the mainstream meds direction. What did you decide on? Anyway, wishing you the best, Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/31/2012

I wished I believed this. I approached every remedy, every new practitioner, new doctor, new supplement with positivity but after 20 yrs I dont believe there is an answer that Im going to find from a car & when Im not able to be near people, get into a store etc. To say Im suicidal is an understatement. Im sorry if this upsets anyone but sometimes things go too far. Pesticides do permanently damage. I know now, would have been better if Id known earlier that all organs have some if not permanent damage. yes I did do sodium thiosulfate, carbicarb, pretty much everything on here. I only found the beets protocol recently. Yes, Im still on 3 antibiotics and pulsing in a 4th. The pain is a little less but I cant imagine antibiotics is going to help my mcs and my liver. But what can I do? Im just looking for the tiniest bit of improvement.

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Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/31/2012

I wish I knew more about your exact issue. Are you saying that you know for sure your issues are an overload of toxicity? If so I strongly urge you to research the Gerson Therapy.

I'm pretty sure along the way of researching, you have come across studies, research and personal accounts of how ones outlook effected their health. I will reiterate those ideas.

You physical body responds to negativity and stress but also thoughts of suicide. I know when there seems to be no end in sight to the suffering one endures, such thoughts occur. It would be silly of me to say try to focus on something positive or try to shake it off because I know what its like to have something causing pain that directly generates such negative thoughts.

My advise is to try to become more aware of your emotions that lead you to such thoughts. I realized I tended to have more negative thoughts when my physical body felt very tired from not sleeping well or when I was ill. I was then able to expect such thoughts when ill or sleep deprived and knew they where initiated by these physical states of being.

I take St. Johns wart just before bed to help me sleep deeper. When I am rested the following day I am a bit more optimistic. Just like when we are grouchy when we are hungry, getting rest when we have health challenges or life challenges reduces the tendency of negative thoughts.

Another way to promoting better emotions is through a diet of raw veggies and freshly juiced fruits and veggies, no or very little carbs and meat. After the 4tyh or 5th day your body feels better. Your mind then follows.

Also another thing I'll do is treat myself one a week to something really nice. It could be a really big expensive meal, or buying a ton of junk at ikea. It makes that moment about me and gives me something positive to do physically.

Rest not only helps heal the body but it sooths and rests the mind and emotions.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/31/2012

Roec, all that you say makes perfect sense. But theres no weekly, monthly, yearly treat. I dont hear from anyone Xmas or birthdays. Its all because of the chemical & all sensitivities. I can NEVER eat anything different or do anything different as it might involve going near a person or a car might come past. And absolutely forget shopping. Cant sit in a park because the council sprays it, thats apart from someone might come near me. Cant read a book, have a hobby, using a computer for these few minutes usually involves hours of further pain. No holidays, weekends off, just sitting in the car waiting for apple cider vinegar to work. Or all the other supplements. Or the antibiotics. Cant get anyone to respond to me re: stem cell therapy. So you see, very difficult to do something different and thoughts will follow.

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Posted by Anonymosaurus Rex ( Somewhere, Alone, Listening To Radiohead) on 09/01/2012

Hi Robyn, Roec mentioned that drinking high silica water may make a difference. If you are considering going down that route, I would strongly suggest that buying a bunch of crazy-expensive water is, well, crazy. Especially when diatomaceous earth is 90% silica and food grade stuff is quite cheap online.

If you wanted to supplement your water intake with silica, put a spoonful into a litre bottle of water and allow it to settle (this might take a few days). Drink the water, but be careful not to stir up the water. You can refill the bottle over and over for years this way.

I just thought I'd give you that bit of info to help you save a bunch of money.

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Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/29/2012

Hi there Robyn, Hope you are doing better. In your last post, you were outlining all that was wrong in life. Bringing all of those emotions together into focus is very heavy and emotionally draining even though what you mentioned is part of your day to day life. I have been taught to do just the opposite and outline all that is good in life when everything feels so wrong. Take a moment to make a list of all the things in life you are grateful for. This exercise occupies your mind and emotions to focus on positive thinking and emoting. This exercise calls for finding other similar ways to occupy your emotions with positive vibrations. And no one ever "masters" these exercises but over time you do improve.

I have also learned that you have to "make" good times in life. When life is shitty or has stopped moving and feels stagnate, make something good. Something good can be a moment to help someone else, taking a trip somewhere awesome, creating something new like painting drawing or composition, paint the house or a room, build something, create something. I'll go hunting around town for black walnuts, Eucalyptus and olive leaves to make a healing FREE tea blend. It costs nothing, very healing and rewarding way to occupy my time and creating something from nothing.

Most of all REST!!! Rest makes a difference on your whole outlook on everything. A tired body makes a tired mind.

And to Rex: I felt it was necessary to state exactly what worked for me after experiencing 3 years of dull liver pain. I did try the diatomatious earth as you recommended but it was very dehydrating and too unpleasant to keep up on a daily basis. Also there are a variety of Diatomatios earth out there. You have to do a bit of research beforehand and make sure what you are getting is not the toxic pool grade DE. Also there is a difference between fresh water and salt water DE. I felt more assured buying DE from the source rather than re-sellers out there that then jack the price up while lowering the quality of the product. If going this route, be sure you drink enough water and be willing to endure the gritty chalky texture daily. I tried to put in my coffee thinking I would notice it less. It was just gross. I still have a tin container here at my desk full of DE from 2010 when I 1st tried it here at work as here I drink the most coffee.

The [mineral] water was easy as I could take the bottled water with me anywhere. I really could not believe this actually worked after spending nearly thousands on a variety of supplements over that 3 year period! It might be more expensive but it was better for me in the long run. I drank every drop of that water, brought bottles to work with me, made gallons of iced tea with it, and kept some in the car. I then gave the empty plastic bottles to the homeless dude who always dumpster dives on Saturday afternoons behind my building.

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Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 10/29/2012

To Roec from Los Angeles - Thanks for an awesome, uplifting post. I really appreciated reading it. :-)

Also - I will have to look at [the mineral] water.... sounds interesting.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 10/29/2012

Roec, what you say is lovely and in the absence of a diagnosis and 20 yrs ago there was no knowledge of fibro or cfs so I read every positive thinking book in the bookshop/library and did all those exercises and look where thats got me. There was a lot going on inside me and environmentally I needed to know about it so I could stop poisoning myself. And everyone else poisoning me. I can find anything to be grateful for in this much pain, I cant go near anyone to help them, definately cant take a trip, something new? like paint??? I cant go near any hobby type poisons, can't read a book because of the paper & ink, black walnuts, Eucalyptus and olive leaves would make me as sick as a dog. I can't enjoy the company of an animal they make me so sick, grow veges or indeed do anything that is enjoyable. And nothing is really enjoyable when you're in so much pain you're completely locked up and can't move. But thank you for the thought.

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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 10/30/2012

Robyn, you've got us here on EC. And btw, you once mentioned a drug taken during pregnancy: there are very many children who survive and thrive even through all manner of medicatons and abuse of all sorts. So take heart.

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Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 11/07/2012

I just wanted to recommend to research for a mineral water with the highest silica content. I listed the names of but forgot EarthCLinic has policy against product naming.

I'm not sure if links are allowed but below I have linked an article explaining how silica removes aluminum toxicity.

As I had previously mentioned, this totally worked for me. I thought the liver pain was as a result of other issues I was having with my liver at the time. I researched allot of herbs to reverse the condition. The test results after taking the herbs healed my liver but not the dull pain. After watching a youtube video about silica and aluminum, I thought I'd try it.

Bingo! Pain is gone.

Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 08/29/2012 2077 posts

Bibi, I posted this article a few weeks ago here on E. C. As I had been experiencing many of the symptoms listed. One important point, the Aldehydes are a natural byproduct of fungal metabolism NOT the result of die-off, according to this article. I require at least 250mcg MolyB daily but 250mcg 2x daily is best; and 25mg NAD daily is definitely needed to keep me clear. At least 50mg Zinc daily also helps a bunch. The die-off itself is harmful as you seem to have experienced, and especially bad for the liver, so some Milk Thistle Seed would help along w/ the other nutrients.

Posted by Bibi (Nashville, Tn) on 09/01/2012

I appreciate the heads up, Timh, especially about the aldehydes being a part of fungal metabolism... And not die-off. That kind of surprised me. Thanks for the information you provided.

Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 09/05/2012 2077 posts

Bibi, you are welcome. When it comes to this scientific stuff one must certainly pay close attention to particulars and details. I forgot to mention one very important aspect of supplementing MolyB --a condition of chronic gastritis is all but completely resolved. My digestion is sooo much better now.

Posted by Jk (Orange County, Ca) on 08/14/2012
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Yes, parsley can help flush out toxins and have the other benefits, but the people with liver diseases should be careful to use it, because of high iron and high level will damage liver cells.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 07/20/2012

I've just seen the mini beet protocol after following this site for years. I had considered juicing only for a few minutes. I'm in too much pain to pull a juicer apart & clean it. I tried a beet & carrot juice from a juice place (not organic) & I felt very ill, I thought because I'm hypoglycemic it had spiked my sugar levels. I don't eat carrots because they make me ill, all starchy veg do. Recently I started to eat beets when I saw on the dr oz show how great they are. Eating seems to be OK but from what I gather this is not going to do the trick. Im still homeless & I do get to bathe but I can't do much about it being in chlorinated flouridated water. I was taking a bath & putting sodium thiosulphate you use in pools to get the chlorine out. Would that help?

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Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 07/17/2012

Thank you all so much for all your stories that you have shared with the rest of us on your struggles and pain with your health. We all learn from one another and this website and contributions from everyone is a beautiful gift we give to each other to learn and grow.

I am a firm believer in all the wonderful benefits from VCO. It cured my candida and keeps my fever blisters outbreaks down to a minimum. But, recently I started taking a combination of VCO, (3 tbs) Hemp oil, (1 tbs) Hemp seeds, (2 tbs) and Chia seeds, (2 tbs) which was recommended by nutiva website. I have found that my skin is plumping out and is so soft and healthy looking. My varicose veins are significantly reduced and along with alkalizing, I feel great. I am 62. I thought it was too much healthy fat, and did gain about 3 lbs at first, but that has leveled off.

Another thing I wanted to contribute is I thought for the longest time that I had a sluggish liver and do the appropriate steps for detoxing, ( lemon juice, milk thistle, etc) but while doing some research, I came across how important the lymphatic system is to our liver in order for it to work at its best. So, I have been doing saunas, dry brushing, running in place (do not have a trampoline) and proper diet. Do some reading on the lymphatic system. It's amazing to me how the body can heal itself, if we only help it along. Bless you all.

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Posted by Stella (Brooklyn, Ny) on 07/17/2012

Can you recommend something to read or share some links on the lymphatic system? Thanks ;)

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Posted by Suem (Worden, Il Usa) on 07/18/2012

I google "how to detox your lymphatic system naturally" and started reading from there. There are a couple of books I can recommend. "Herbal Medicine, From the Heart of the Earth" by Dr. Sharon Marie Tilgner and anything by Adelle Davis. I'm currently reading her book, "Let's Stay Healthy". In this one, she breaks down everything on how food works in our body, what each organ does and what it takes from the food to function and stay healthy. It's so easy to understand for us "laymen". Do some research on her, also. Fascinating reading..... she was way above her time.

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