Natural Detox: Complementary and Alternative Medicine

Red Lentil Soup
Posted by Friendlyfeline (Canada) on 07/31/2013
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

Hello Earth Clinic! LOVING your website!! I have been eating red lentil soup for lunch and dinner the past three days as a type of cleansing. However, today my stool is black!! Is this the toxins coming out?? Should I be worried? Thanks!!

I have also been losing weight on this soup. The red lentil soup is very filling -- and I am the type that is ALWAYS hungry, but not since eating this soup. I am doing this as a cleanse, the losing weight is a nice unexpected side effect. For the soup I just used water (not broth) than add spices for taste (garlic, paprika, thyme, black pepper, sea salt).

Bentonite Clay
Posted by Candace (Small Town, Tx) on 05/05/2013

Bentonite, which contains Hydrous Aluminum (Al2O3) Silicate, is very complex in structure and the aluminum, like all of the elements in bentonite clay, is actually part of the bentonite crystal and not leachable by any means. This is due to the fact that the Aluminum is central to the montmorillonite molecule holding the negative charge around it as a cloud of oxygen molecules. In effect, part of the negative charge of montmorillonite is attributed to the aluminum. Removal of the aluminum from the montmorillonite molecule would result in a loss of the drawing properties of the molecule. Our bodies do not have sufficient digestive juices to split apart such a highly negatively charged molecule. So the bentonite clay is inert in that none of it ever leaves your digestive system. It is very complex in structure and all of the trace minerals are actually part of the bentonite crystal and not leachable by any means.

Maybe the above poster would do some more research before putting out wrong information. Many seriously, cronically ill, even terminal people could benefit from this amazing naturally occuring dirt with healing properties from Elohim. There is a lot of misinformation out there about the kinds of bentonite ie: calcium, sodium, etc. If one is wanting to use this clay theraputically then the bestbentonite. (hint) would be one that is 100% Bentonite Clay. It is very inexpensive and should be afforable for all. Also the 100% clay will accomplish whatever you desire using less. E-bay is a good source. Candace

Posted by Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 04/06/2013

So sorry that you have to put up with the system of greed in your state, I know every state has issues. I was just reading in my book by Ob/gyn John Lee about osteoporosis and hormone replacement of progesterone and how much healthier the users bone density tests became as they continued to apply the hormone cream, it helped with mineral absorption. The book has charts of the increases in bone health from many years of tests collected from many women.

Posted by Alley (Hell, Pa) on 04/06/2013

it's not just in the juice it's in my tap water.

my body kept falling appart finally borke down and paif for water test and hair folicle. I have not taken lithium in 7 years and I have enough in me just fromt he tap water to never need a script for it.

the found a ton of chemicals used in fracking out here. Haha safe my ass. And it's gotten into the public water supply, the test on file for trace minerals is before the they started frackign, adn to boot, in my state they only have to pay to test for trace minerals every 3-5 years. and they know indanve when that test is comming with the new budgets cuts expect trace mineral testing to go out the window.

kept wondering why I was breakigna bone every other couple months, well that wouldb e the arsenic.

only juices I drank were either naturally juiced, organic cause i'm that picky, and I did used to buy grapefruit juice. but after drinking nothing but distilled water for an age I am realy picky about stuff they put in there.

Posted by Alley (Hell, Pa) on 04/06/2013
5 out of 5 stars

asparagus juice

totally unrelated to anything ehrer but I had potassium deffiency and we made asparagus one for dinner one night

well you know all those chunks on the asparagus you cant seem soft enough to chew without teeth (one of the reasons juicing was invented just add in pulp in my opinon, so what if it looks like baby food you are gettign your vieggies in). well we did it, I had a osteo infection in my to I was also low on agnesium, calcium, vit d and sick allth e time falling apart and so on. well this recipie go me phone call back from my kidney doctor and the wound clinic.

so I juiced the hard ends, you get a lot of them and (at the cost of eggies anymore, I thought it was wasteful to feed them to the critters in the woods) you gotta go slow and take your time they do take a while to juice up. you get a really thick green thing of juice I tosssed in garglic (natures antibiotic) and stirred in some kep, I can not remember what else. 9at least I did not add the apple cider vinegar. Oh also cayanne pepper, if I recall it's eben a few motnhs. Since my old juicer broke down. :( it only lasted two years.

*ick, good for liver mixed in water*

but when the blodwork came in (the blood work was taken three daysafter id did this) they said my levels were soooo high and stop whateveri was doing. sad thing is, that bone infection well, I was the fasest healign person in the wound clinic.

i would only recomend this about once a week. the drink is thick and its kinda yukky drink but it worked. that is all I have to say. plug your nose vbefore you drink it. oh and I am glas I chose kep and not the moss for the kidneys I can't seem to be able to keep the moss down.

Bentonite Clay
Posted by Mary (Whitefish, Montana/united States) on 04/04/2013

I love your article (Detoxing Remedies) I want you to know that I have been studying herbs and natural remedies for over 30 years. I also come from a long line of herbalist on both sides of my family.

Nonetheless, I want to give you a heads up on bentonite. This is clay that I have been studying for decades. I started researching bentonite after my father, grandmother and aunt end up with a very bad case of Alzheimer's. I also noticed that even young people in their 20's (in the same town my family lived) had difficulties with basic tasks that required simple thinking. The town they lived in has an abundant amount of betonite everywhere. It is a white claylike powder that is on the surface of the ground. I do not know of anyone that does not have betonite in their front and back yard there. I am thankful that I did not spend a lot of years in this town for I am sure that I would now have Alzheimer's (my parent separated when I was a kid).

Well, my research found that bentonite contains up to 18 percent aluminum. Some studies show that there is up to 85% aluminum. Betonite also contain silica and dioxins (a by-product of pesticide manufacture, a toxic compound that is carcinogenic).

It is entirely up to you to change the article and maybe do more research. I am in hopes that you will correct this on your post for the sake of people's health. Detoxing with bentonite pollutes the body even more with toxins. It could also have very fatal health consequences.



Posted by Larry (Fairfax, Va/usa) on 03/17/2013

Reply to R. Adams from Liverpool: I found your posting re: detoxing acetaldehyde, of much interest. Can you indicate what type of negative reaction(s) you had from taking pantethine. Also, have you found any promising natural acetaldehyde detoxifiers with hopefully only limited side-effects? Thanks, Larry

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, USA) on 03/05/2013 2077 posts


... I think the majority of these Dr's are listed under Occupational, Alternative, Complementary, or Integrative Medicine.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 03/04/2013

Hi Tim, I couldn't agree with you more as a result of personal experience. I worked in an office where there was a safety person always checking the air, and I repeatedly heard him say the gas is a little high. The doors would be opened and that was it. I didn't think much of it. I began to feel sick and hot at work, and by the time I get home I couldn't eat and thought I was getting the flu. By the next morning, I felt well again and the whole thing would start over. It suddenly occurred to me that the high gas levels were CO, which I couldn't actually believe, so I called the safety guy at home one evening and he confirmed it was CO! I went out and bought a CO detector, and when I put it in my office, it went off detecting lethal levels. There was a crack in the furnace that was venting into my office and other places in the plant. We got it fixed immediately. But, to my astonishment, my doctor (former doctor now) would not see me. She had no appointments, even two weeks out and said evening appts. We're for chronic illnesses, like headaches, when a sore throat would normally get you in that day. I could get no one to see me, just for advice in case my heart or liver had been damaged. It was too late to go to the ER because I had been breathing oxygen by this time, and they said that is all they would do for me anyway. I have been distrustful of the medical community ever since. And I never had any inclination to sue anyone, if the Worker's Comp issue was the problem. I just wanted some information and advice, but no one would help me. So you are exactly correct in your thinking.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, USA) on 03/04/2013 2077 posts

Linda: I have suffered w/ Chemical Injury for many years, and have almost died twice. I can tell you from personal as well as others experiences, that 98% Medical Doctors (MD's) DO NOT treat Chemical Injuries except as Emergency Medicine. Environmental Illnesses are not legitimate, and the people who live to deal with them almost always get diagnosed as psychosomatic and are prescribed mood altering medications; this is the sad reality of how the system works. As for the 2% MD's that do treat environmental diseases, they constantly brace themselves against harassments and lawsuits. I think the majority of these Dr's are listed under Occupational Medicine. You might also search for "Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy" as this helps people recover from chemical exposure.

As all the info you'r reading can be confusing and you don't seem to be able to adopt any simple "safe" ( it is very common for people to view Nutritional Supplements in the same category of "safe" as prescription & otc drugs, when in fact nutritional supplements a way very much more safer and in large quantities compared to drugs) solutions for treatment, try and find a Natural Doctor (ND) in your area. ND will get your husband on a regimen of Natural Medicine that will likely save his life.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/03/2013

Art, Wow! This will be a lot of reading and I look forward to it. I start back at my work tomorrow so I will have a little less time than I've had these past 6 weeks. I've been on FML (Family Medical Leave) in order to help my husband since his release from the hospital but I must return to work. I won't have access to the internet at work so I will read what I can once home in the evenings.

I can't thank you enough for all the links you have sent. The medical doctors he has seen are all taking a "wait and see" attitude. My feeling is that his brain and other affected organs need help and support now, not a year from now!

I'll pass on the results from his lab work as soon as we hear - that should be tomorrow (Monday) or Tuesday.

Thank you again and God Bless, Linda

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/03/2013

Katy, your family did have quite a scare! I have hope for an answer to my husband's issues with all the help from the good people at EarthClinic. Thank you for sharing your story with me.

Linda :)

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Art (Tustin, Ca.usa) on 03/03/2013

In reply to Linda: I'm sorry to hear about this new complication for your husband.

Since you have the weekend to "research", I am attaching links to studies about melatonin that you may find helpful. I wanted to attach a chart that shows how melatonin declines as we age, but I don't know how to take it from "my documents" and place it into this message. Basically it shows a steady rise from the age of 3 months until the age of 6 years followed by a relatively flat period from 6 to 12 years of age followed by a fairly steep decline from the age of approximately 12 to 14 years when it peaks around 125 pg/ml to the age of about 57 where it starts to flatline around 5 pg/ml on into the 70's and 80's....... basically a negligible amount.

The following link discusses melatonin and how it is much more than just another potent antioxidant:

This next link discusses at length the anti-inflammatory effects of melatonin as well as interactions and protective effects to the brain and central nervous system:

The following link is to a human study that used 10mg of melatonin per day combined with Omeperazole to treat gastric and duodenal ulcers and h. pylori intestinal infection:

This next link is to an abstract of another human study that shows that the increased antioxidant potential caused by melatonin supplementation continues for more than a week after discontinuation of supplementation:

This next link is to an abstract of a double blind placebo controlled study of COPD in humans where melatonin was shown to have some benefit, however the dose was quite low at only 3mg/day. Further studies at higher doses for COPD seem warranted:

A quick word about melatonin as a radioprotectant:

The next two abstracts are from a two stage study of melatonin in the treatment of Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy using 70 mg of melatonin per day for at least 9 months with significant results:

There is quite a bit of research regarding melatonin and its beneficial effects in cancer as well as its synergism with multiple chemo agents. Melatonin also has the ability to help protect the human body against some of the negative effects of chemo and radiation therapy. One scientist (Lissoni P. ) that I have read some of the studies has been researching melatonin since the mid 1980's and has done the majority of these studies in the relationship of melatonin and cancer. The last study I could find was dated, in 2012, so almost 30 years of studying that cancer/melatonin relationship. I think it says a lot that a scientist has basically devoted their career to mainly researching one substance, melatonin!

So that should give you some good study material to research and help you understand the true value of melatonin in many health conditions. These links that I have posted here are just the tip of the iceberg as far as the total potential of melatonin. The more you research it, the more you will realize just how much potential melatonin has. I hope melatonin will be helpful and your husband will make a full recovery!

Good reading to you.


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Katy (Lv, Nv) on 03/02/2013

Hi Linda, I read your post last night and I am sorry to hear about your husband. It reminded me of a situation that happened to me and my family about 40 years ago, I was about ten and I remember it pretty clearly. It was winter and the house was kept closed up pretty tight, we had a problem with our heater. The entire family (5) of us were very ill. We thought we had the flu and my mom and I went to the Dr. Of course we were "fine" in his opinion. My brother and father felt better when they were outside, but me, mom and my sister in law were really hit hard, kept passing out, stumbling around, headache... Just sick. Finally my mom told my brother to call an ambulance.... An hour later we were in the emergency room, x rays and oxygen... Come to find out we were a few hours away from death. Long story short, we all recovered so I'm hoping your husband recovers as well.... just want to give you some hope.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/02/2013

An update on his condition: He came home early from work (he stands at work for 11.5 hrs a day). While at work he used the men's room and discovered his urine was the color of cranberry juice. I had him call his doctor and she told him she was "worried" and wanted him to go for a urinalysis. He arranged to leave work early so he could go to a lab this afternoon. Unfortunately the lab won't have any results for us till Mon or Tue. Why do things always seem to happen on the weekends?

Art: Thank you for the link. I understand your thoughts regarding the rodents. It's often difficult to extrapolate to humans, isn't it. I will continue my studies and present all I have learned here and elsewhere to my husband for his thoughts. I appreciate that you are trying to cautious.

Timh: My thanks to you as well for the clarification as to strength, dosing, etc. My husband already takes ACV (although due to his memory issues, not as often as he had). With the help of ACV, his blood pressure improved so much his doctor cut his blood pressure medication dosage in half last summer. She was quite pleased.

He does take Vit C now - 1,000 mg twice a day. I will look into purchasing the rest but I'm afraid to start anything till we know why his urine looks so bloody. I am really concerned and wonder if this is related to the poisoning or something else entirely? He's been quite tired but we had assumed it was going back to a difficult job after nearly four weeks out due to his health.

I'll keep you both advised.

Thank you both - Linda

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 03/02/2013 2077 posts

Linda: Follow the recommended dosage on the product labels. The NAC probably 1 or 2 500mg on empty stomach once day. Selenium 200 mcgs once day. Melatonon at least 3 or up to 9 or more mg once daily before retiring. These recommendations are safe for long-term defense.

As for your report of husband's chronic conditions, the above will help, but I would also recommend a very good health food store brand mens mult. W/ every meal. Extra antioxidant supplements you might consider is vit-a, vit-e, zinc, vit-c. The mineral Chromium (as Picolinate) in combination w/ Cinnamon will help prevent diabetes. ACV will help the hypertension.

Also, to boost the body's natural defense and restore cellular vitality, try Wheat Sprouts. The Wheat Sprout Enzymes will breath new life to the sick cells.

In addition, I would very much recommend hot baths w/ 1/4 cup Epsom Salt and 1/4 cup Baking Soda, as these salts will help neutralize toxins as well as eliminate them through sweating. One main bad side effect of chemical exposures is acidosis. Acidosis prevents the production and utility of enzymes and coenzymes. The salts reverse the acidosis and greatly improve oxygenation (which is the goal of all the antioxidant supplements). 2 or 3 baths per wk. untill substantial recovery.

My apologies on the lengthy recommendations, but events (chemical exposures) like these plus the aging factor, plus the preconditions you detailed, could spell a rapid or irreversible decline. Hopefully the protocols will restore your husband's health.

Please update us any progress or changes.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Art (Tustin, Ca. Usa) on 03/02/2013

In reply to Linda:

I did not recomend NAC in my previous post to you, even though it is well known to improve glutathione production in the human body as well as detoxify because the following abstract implies that it may cause other issues when used for the purpose of carbon monoxide poisoning. This abstract is suggesting melatonin did not have the same problem as NAC:

The problem is this is a rodent study and may or may not translate into human use, but I was thinking to err on the side of safety and melatonin has a very good safety profile. This abstract does not go into much detail as to what the exact problem was with NAC.


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 03/01/2013

Timh: Regarding "NAC and Selenium in combination with Melatonin", how much per dose, how many doses per day and for how long (days, weeks, months, or till symptoms disappear) shall he take these? I want to be sure not to over or under dose him.

Thank you in advance for your guidance.


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky) on 03/01/2013 2077 posts

If I might add, I get best results by taking NAC and Selenium in combination with Melatonin, as used together, significantly boost the body's master antioxidant Glutathione.

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 02/28/2013

Thank you Art, for pointing me in the right direction. I'll start my research! Linda

Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Art (Tustin, Ca.usa) on 02/27/2013

In reply to Linda: Try researching melatonin and its protective effects on the brain after damage from different insults. Carbon monoxide poisoning will probably have some similarities with stroke damage as both involve lack of oxygen to the brain for a period of time resulting in increased oxidation and free radical production which will damage the cells. Melatonin has been shown to be safe in humans at pharmacological dosing and is a potent antioxidant that can readilly cross the blood/brain barrier to get to the damaged areas. Melatonin has shown some benefit in diabetes also, but you need to consult with your doctor and get his/her approval before using melatonin for any medical purpose as the suggested dose is likely to be 20mg to 70mg per night, not the usual 3 to 5 mg dose used as a sleep aid. I can tell you from my own experience at 60 mg per night, my main side effect was morning drowsiness, which slowly declined over three weeks of use, but I had this same effect at 20mg per night and it too dissipated over a couple of weeks.

More specific to CO poisoning, Russian scientists have been testing a combination supplement called "Cytoflavin", as an injection/infusion.

Cytoflavin appears to be composed of the following: Succinic acid, Inosine, Nicotinamide and Riboflavin Sodium Phosphate. Here is a link to the only website I found that has information on it:

It looks like your doctor would have to contact them about local availability.

Lastly curcumin has shown some benefit, but curcumin requires high dosing and I'm not sure that curcumin can traverse the blood/brain barrier very easilly. As a potential alternative, Meriva, a liposomal form of curcumin that is available in capsules from most major online vitamin suppliers may be more useful as it is promoted as being able to enter body tissues readilly and have longer staying capabilities than regular curcumin while requiring a significantly lower dose than standard curcumin. Again, you would need to get your doctors approval before using meriva or melatonin or cytoflavin, assuming cytoflavin is even available here.

Good luck with your research!


Detoxing From Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Posted by Linda (New Haven, Ct, United States) on 02/26/2013

Hi. Our family suffered a near tragedy seven weeks ago when my husband nearly died in a car from carbon monoxide poisoning. Since that time we have noticed increased memory problems (he's always had some memory issues but they are worse now), fatigue, and even a loss of his normal voice. He used to have a lovely singing voice but can't hit many of the notes any longer.

He is 59 years old, overweight, high blood pressure and borderline diabetic. He suffers from depression (since he was a child) and has recently been diagnosed as bipolar. I've been reading online about carbon monoxide poisoning and realize that is what's causing his symptoms. The doctors will only say that we should give it 6-12 months and the effects may reverse.

Is there something he can do now?

Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 02/05/2013 2077 posts

R Adams: I manage this problem on a daily basis w/ MolyB 250mcgs 3x and don't exceed that. I also take 50-100 mg Zinc 3mg Copper daily for immune support and antioxidant support. Since aldehyde is toxic especially to the liver do take some Milk Thistle Seed Extract. For both alcohol and aldehyde detox, NAD (the niacin enzyme) is the major nutrient involved. You may prosper from some type of niacin supplementation or best to simply take NAD or NADH. Coenzyme B2 or FMN is also directly involved in aldehyde detox. You must get back on the MolyB along with these other nutrients and that will resolve the Ald problem.

Maybe to early to tell and I have a host of problems, but the few times that I have used Turpentine has been of benefit. It is said by some as the #1 fungal killer. If Ted and Bills protocols aren't working you may need to also do some heavy metal detox as well as Parasite detox, Turpentine or MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement). MMS is a major oxygen donor, more than H2O2 drops.

Supplementing Zinc/Copper alone can almost double your immune power. Thymus support will greatly increase immune power.

Posted by Happy (Up The Creek In, Wv, Usa) on 02/04/2013

I 2nd the warning that R Adams gave about molybdenum causing severe copper depletion; and in my case that caused a serious cartilage or vertebrae disk damage to the body. It does this by causing a severe copper shortage, or deficiency in the body. This is a well known effect of molybdenum on animals, esp. sheep. 2 people in my family took molybdenum in the 500 mCg. size pill, for about 2 weeks, and both people suffered spinal disk degeneration. The spinal disks began sagging down and allowing the bone vertebrae spacing to collapse, which caused spinal nerve impingements. We began to to get sciatica pains, and our spine bones began to grate together. Our spines were degenerating in just days after starting the molybdenum. I used the internet to try and find out what was happening, and luckily found a couple of good websites which revealed that copper is needed for elastin tissues in sspinal disks, etc, and the molybdenum was causing a shortage of copper. It took about 2 months to get back to normal, after quitting the molybdenum.

I bought $100 worth of hyaluron from a bulk supplier to help with the cartiladge repair, but it turned out to be a defective batch, and did not help any. All hyaluron being sold on the market today is not bio-active. Some of it does not work. When you get good bio-active hyaluron it does work very well and very fast. I could not afford to buy anymore hyaluron after getting the bad batch, so I just done without.

Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/04/2013

Hi R Adams... Here is what Ted from Bangkok says about curing candida:

"Magnesium chloride 60% and ascorbic acid with baking soda will control your constipation well. The magnesium chloride drops are 10 drops 4 times a day, should be enough to control constipation. Tannic acid 1/4 teaspoon per liter of water will kill yeast overgrowth, and so will sodium molybdate 10 to 20 mg per day for a couple of days only. The hydrogen peroxide 3% one capful per liter of water as a drinking water and ascorbic acid and baking soda 1/4 teaspoon of ascorbic acid and 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda will help control yeast overgrowth too. A spray used as air freshener ammonium chloride 5% to 10% in a water and breathe indirectly will prevent yeast and fungus for forming in the lungs. Borax 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon can be mixed into the hydrogen peroxide drinking water to help control fungus also. If anemia condition caused by fungus eating up iron, artemisinin[from wormwood] around 500 mg will stop the fungus from uptake of iron, thus limiting their growth."


You should only take the high dose molybdenum for a couple of days with continuous breaks. Molybdenum should also be taken on its own -- with no other mineral nutrients like zinc, Iron, copper etc because these minerals use the same absorption pathways and compete with each other. The lack of iron or anemia in your body is not caused so much by the molybdenum but is more likely to be caused by the voracious appetite of candida for iron -- which also helps to convert the candida into its more dangerous and more virulent disseminated or systemic form. This is why you should generally reduce the intake of rare meats(reduce heme iron) in your diet if you have candida.

Supplement molybdenum 10mgs - 20 mgs for two or three days only then take a break for a few days is the way to take it. You took high dose molybdenum for a solid month which is the wrong way to do it. There is nothing that I know of that so efficiently works with the body to help reduce candida toxins -- as well as helping to kill the candida -- like molybdenum. Taking zinc is also helpful for increasing the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme in the body to help get rid of excess alcohols that are also produced as waste from candida.

And if you are taking pantethine then you should be taking an equal amount of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5) with it. See this article:

The Candida/Aldehyde Detox Pathway

Posted by R Adams (Liverpool, United Kingdom) on 02/03/2013

Hi, I tried molybdenum after suffering from and battling candida for a long time, and after around 2 days of taking a high dose recommended by many websites I felt miraculously cured of many of my symptoms, most significantly aching and slow muscles and brainfog. It became very clear that many of my problems were caused by the acetaldehyde produced by the vast amount of dying yeast in my body. Unfortunately after taking molybdenum for over a month I began to develop new symptoms of extreme tiredness and sleepiness during the day. When I described my latest symptoms to friends and family they thought it sounded similar to anemia. I researched the effects of molybdenum and it tured out molybdenum massively depletes copper in the body and, copper defficiency causes a different form of much less common anemia in which the iron levels are normal but fail to be carried in the blood. I have struggled to cure this copper deficiency with copper supplememnts and dietery alterations, for a long time and due to anemia allowing candida to make a come back as the immune system is lowered my candida alas returned. This time I am too scared to use molybdenum again and after just trying pantethine and having some very terrible reaction to it, I am desperately seeking new more safe natural methods of excreting acetaldehyde from the body. I'm hoping there are some herbal remedies that may help. If anyone knows of any other ways of dealing with acetaldehyde, please get back to me.. And BE CAREFUL if you're taking molybdenum in large amounts. It could have been the best thing that ever happened to my health since becoming ill if I had only known to stop after a couple of weeks. Be careful.. It can be dangerous as I've learned the hard way.

Posted by Linda (Lauzerte, France) on 11/28/2012

Try eating some fresh parsley, it really helps.

Eliminate Artificial Sweeteners
Posted by Art (Vancouver Bc, Vancouver.) on 11/14/2012
5 out of 5 stars

Who Knew? I just have to make this post because I just for out about the effects of splenda an artificial sweetener I have been consuming for over 10 years. It can damage the immune system, your liver, cause blood sugar spikes, and here I was trying to get well with the BHT remedy, and trying to cure my neuropathy and all the while injesting this poison.

It's all in the garbage as of today and we will be going aue natural (Stevia). Just google splenda and you will see for yourself.

I hope this helps some one and it might be a good idea for earthclinic to have a new tab on harmful foods.

Thanks. art.

General Feedback
Posted by Cindi (Brick, Nj) on 11/13/2012

Hi Thank you so much for creating this site and helping so many with these remedies!

I am on Day 4 of the Borax, Baking Soda and ACV. At first I had a burst of energy on Day 1 but last 2 days I have been exhausted and have lots of aches and pains. It feels similiar to when I herxed with an antibiotic. Is this normal? Will The Borax cause herxing or a kill off? and if so how long will it last? This germ isn't leaving without a fight!!!

I am dedicated to getting through this but want to be sure I am on the right track. Thanks again!!

Regards, Cindi

Colon Cleanse
Posted by Niamh (Dublin, Ireland) on 11/10/2012

This is to Julie from Gainesville re Colon Cleanse info she posted >08/09/2011: how long did you keep up this routine, and was always first thing in the morning? Thanks!

General Feedback
Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 11/07/2012

I just wanted to recommend to research for a mineral water with the highest silica content. I listed the names of but forgot EarthCLinic has policy against product naming.

I'm not sure if links are allowed but below I have linked an article explaining how silica removes aluminum toxicity.

As I had previously mentioned, this totally worked for me. I thought the liver pain was as a result of other issues I was having with my liver at the time. I researched allot of herbs to reverse the condition. The test results after taking the herbs healed my liver but not the dull pain. After watching a youtube video about silica and aluminum, I thought I'd try it.

Bingo! Pain is gone.

General Feedback
Posted by Rorec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 11/05/2012

Hi there, I'm sorry to hear how tough things are. Those examples I listed were just to give you an idea or a direction to head towards or perhaps inspire similar ideas. Life truly is a journey and now you must face the challenge of finding what is going to work for you, for your happiness and wellbeing sake.

If you are here reading this than you are in the right direction as you are seeking solutions. No solution is ever found by not looking or giving up. Many I see have replied to your original text here. It's comforting to know that total strangers are interested in your well being and offer helping advice. I foresee you continuing your search, finding what works for you and returning here to help others who are walking the same mile in similar shoes.

I wish you much luck, love and a speedy recovery!

Oil Pulling
Posted by Laura (Houston, Mo) on 11/02/2012

I have recently started oil pulling and noticed an increase in the anxiety/ depression too. I was also on steroids during this start so I blamed it on that. Hmmm... Thanks for sharing. I am doing much better now. I hope you are too. I have noticed clearer skin, better tooth and gum health and smaller pores in just a short time. I've been pulling for 20min using sesame oil every morning. I like it and look forward to seeing more results soon:)

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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 10/30/2012

Robyn, you've got us here on EC. And btw, you once mentioned a drug taken during pregnancy: there are very many children who survive and thrive even through all manner of medicatons and abuse of all sorts. So take heart.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 10/29/2012

Roec, what you say is lovely and in the absence of a diagnosis and 20 yrs ago there was no knowledge of fibro or cfs so I read every positive thinking book in the bookshop/library and did all those exercises and look where thats got me. There was a lot going on inside me and environmentally I needed to know about it so I could stop poisoning myself. And everyone else poisoning me. I can find anything to be grateful for in this much pain, I cant go near anyone to help them, definately cant take a trip, something new? like paint??? I cant go near any hobby type poisons, can't read a book because of the paper & ink, black walnuts, Eucalyptus and olive leaves would make me as sick as a dog. I can't enjoy the company of an animal they make me so sick, grow veges or indeed do anything that is enjoyable. And nothing is really enjoyable when you're in so much pain you're completely locked up and can't move. But thank you for the thought.

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Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 10/29/2012

To Roec from Los Angeles - Thanks for an awesome, uplifting post. I really appreciated reading it. :-)

Also - I will have to look at [the mineral] water.... sounds interesting.

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Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/29/2012

Hi there Robyn, Hope you are doing better. In your last post, you were outlining all that was wrong in life. Bringing all of those emotions together into focus is very heavy and emotionally draining even though what you mentioned is part of your day to day life. I have been taught to do just the opposite and outline all that is good in life when everything feels so wrong. Take a moment to make a list of all the things in life you are grateful for. This exercise occupies your mind and emotions to focus on positive thinking and emoting. This exercise calls for finding other similar ways to occupy your emotions with positive vibrations. And no one ever "masters" these exercises but over time you do improve.

I have also learned that you have to "make" good times in life. When life is shitty or has stopped moving and feels stagnate, make something good. Something good can be a moment to help someone else, taking a trip somewhere awesome, creating something new like painting drawing or composition, paint the house or a room, build something, create something. I'll go hunting around town for black walnuts, Eucalyptus and olive leaves to make a healing FREE tea blend. It costs nothing, very healing and rewarding way to occupy my time and creating something from nothing.

Most of all REST!!! Rest makes a difference on your whole outlook on everything. A tired body makes a tired mind.

And to Rex: I felt it was necessary to state exactly what worked for me after experiencing 3 years of dull liver pain. I did try the diatomatious earth as you recommended but it was very dehydrating and too unpleasant to keep up on a daily basis. Also there are a variety of Diatomatios earth out there. You have to do a bit of research beforehand and make sure what you are getting is not the toxic pool grade DE. Also there is a difference between fresh water and salt water DE. I felt more assured buying DE from the source rather than re-sellers out there that then jack the price up while lowering the quality of the product. If going this route, be sure you drink enough water and be willing to endure the gritty chalky texture daily. I tried to put in my coffee thinking I would notice it less. It was just gross. I still have a tin container here at my desk full of DE from 2010 when I 1st tried it here at work as here I drink the most coffee.

The [mineral] water was easy as I could take the bottled water with me anywhere. I really could not believe this actually worked after spending nearly thousands on a variety of supplements over that 3 year period! It might be more expensive but it was better for me in the long run. I drank every drop of that water, brought bottles to work with me, made gallons of iced tea with it, and kept some in the car. I then gave the empty plastic bottles to the homeless dude who always dumpster dives on Saturday afternoons behind my building.

Posted by Jennine (Holiday, Florida) on 10/21/2012

I just came in on this site, can you tell me what is a great cleanser to ride the body of toxic from smoking. I notice a slight cough what should be done beside the doctor.

Posted by Rouven69 (New York, Ny) on 10/19/2012

To Tiffany see the newest consumer report article in current issue 11/2012. Rice is the biggest concern and especially the one grown in the USA. You may want to check other sources because with pesticides heavily used in the US the inorganic arsenic is now found in high levels in ALL rice (and fruit juice etc). The one with lowest level came from India but that was just one brand. So your apples juice made in US wouldn't make any different and apperentaly even organic unfortunatley doens't make a difference. It's sad how this has been so undedected for years and government is only starting to look into it.

Oil Pulling
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 09/22/2012

Lavonne, read up on the h2o2 inhalation. For me it helps with any and all upper respiratory ailments, thank G-d.

Ozone Therapy
Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn Usa) on 09/21/2012

HI U GOOD PEOPLE DOIN, , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

Start my Ozone blood treatment next week in Atlanta and will do that every month. Just bought a Ozone Gernerator. If a doctor does Ozone in Tenn then he goes to prison, if he does it in Ga then he's a hero. Welcome to the FDA medical world. I lives in Tenn and must travel to Ga to get my Ozone treatments. Are you sheeting me?

Went to my doctor for my Alpha Liopic Acid I.V. treatment this week and in the group was an older man. His wife had cancer and he took her to the Burzyski 's Cancer Clinic in Houston. The doctor told her that she was beyond help. She asked the Onacologist if there would ever be a cure for cancer. He told her that the #1 thing in our economy was energy and the #2 thing was cancer. If a cure for cancer is found then our economy will hit the bottom and will stay there. There will never be a cure for cancer. Our economy can't afford it. Just pay until you die or until you run out of money.

Thank God we have Earth Clinic and others to help us.

Love all you good people====ROBERT HENRY===

Oil Pulling
Posted by Lavonne (Kansas City, Missouri) on 09/21/2012

I just started oil pulling on September 18, 2012. I started because my Chiropractor had told me to start due to a bacterial throat/ear/sinus infection with very bad sinus pressure and the back of my neck felt inflamed like I had the flu, and I didn't want to go the antibiotic route. I use EVCO and at first I swished 1 teaspoon for 20 minutes... I immediately started having inner tremors, crying and panic attacks for apparently no reason, so I called the Chiro and he told me I was detoxing way too fast, so now on his recommendation I swish for 5-6 minutes once daily in the morning, followed by sea salt water rinse and brushing. I was wondering, can I be having heavy detox symptoms just 4 days into all this? My throat has stopped hurting and my teeth/gums look great now, and the panic attacks have pretty much subsided, although I still wimp out and cry over all this every once in awhile! But I still have the heavy sinus/ear/back of neck pressure, and it makes it hard to get a full, good night's sleep. Also there's nothing coming out my nose, clear, green, or otherwise, it just feels dry as the Sahara inside my head, and as I said earlier, so much pressure! Here in the Midwest USA many people are dealing with Is this just detoxing or should I be worried? Thanks!

Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 09/05/2012 2077 posts

Bibi, you are welcome. When it comes to this scientific stuff one must certainly pay close attention to particulars and details. I forgot to mention one very important aspect of supplementing MolyB --a condition of chronic gastritis is all but completely resolved. My digestion is sooo much better now.

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Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 09/04/2012 2077 posts

Robert Henry, I got Ed's book also and share your sympathy w/ his plight from the establishment. Ozone is definitely the answer for a polluted planet or organism. How to administer Ozone is the problem.

I bought a Hong Kong special off Ebay couple yrs back w/ the combined technologies of UV Ozone, Pos/Neg Ion Generator, and Corona Discharge. I used the Ion Generator and UV 24/7, for constant air purification and sometimes the Corona for a surge. The first two tech's were not quite enough and adding the Corona was tooo much, so as for any unit the important thing is maintaining the correct level. The Corona can produce Nitrogen Dioxide in the air but is more powerful compared to the cleaner UV. I have since bought a "New Living" brand that is not near as powerful as the HK model (of which the UV bulb is burned up and cannot find a replacement).

To get the best bang-for-the-buck I like the Negative Ion Generators as a primary purifier and then crank up the Ozone to the level that you can barely smell it.

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn Usa) on 09/02/2012

HI U GOOD PEOPLE DOIN, , , Been researching about what Ozone Generator to buy to address an illness. I now know to buy a cold corrona glass system. I am amazed at the uses this product has in your home. Bought Ed McCabe's book and wanted to cry when I learned that he is another that the FDA put in prison for advocating natural ways to good health. We all may be next.

My question is have any of you bought and used an Ozone Generator? If so, can you shed some light on your experience. Hope to have an interesting tale to tell in about 6 months. One thing I have started is a flushing Niacin Sauna Detox. That is interesting and ole Ron L. Hubbard wrote a book about this in 1979. I ain't in his group, but he was not a dummy. All the Johnny come lately's are jumping on the wagon now.

Ya'll behave for a change. ==ROBERT HENRY===

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Posted by Anonymosaurus Rex (Somewhere, Alone, Listening To Radiohead) on 09/01/2012

Hi there, Thanks for the rant. I liked it :)

Your post got me thinking. 2-4D is one component of Agent Orange, and it is a dioxin. Ted has posted about detoxing from it here:

Diazinon will break down into diaxozon when exposed to acetylcholine, a natural neurotransmitter. If you were exposed to diazinon more than a few months ago, you may be suffering from an accumulation of diaxozon in your body tissues. The best treatment for it is the oxidative therapy as Ted has kindly provided in the link above.

In addition, I would recommend you ensure you have a good amount of vitamin D intake and lecithin.
-For vitamin D get plenty of sunlight (and you probably will living in Australia - good thing you are conveniently located near that hole in the ozone layer, eh?)
-For lecithin, regularly consume poached eggs (just cooked, not over cooked.) Myself, I consume a raw egg in my morning smoothie which provides. You could also take 3 tsp of granulated Lecithin a day if you don't like eggs.

Have you posted the other toxins you have been exposed to on here? There might be people out there that can help you out if you do.

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Posted by Anonymosaurus Rex ( Somewhere, Alone, Listening To Radiohead) on 09/01/2012

Hi Robyn, Roec mentioned that drinking high silica water may make a difference. If you are considering going down that route, I would strongly suggest that buying a bunch of crazy-expensive water is, well, crazy. Especially when diatomaceous earth is 90% silica and food grade stuff is quite cheap online.

If you wanted to supplement your water intake with silica, put a spoonful into a litre bottle of water and allow it to settle (this might take a few days). Drink the water, but be careful not to stir up the water. You can refill the bottle over and over for years this way.

I just thought I'd give you that bit of info to help you save a bunch of money.

Posted by Bibi (Nashville, Tn) on 09/01/2012

I appreciate the heads up, Timh, especially about the aldehydes being a part of fungal metabolism... And not die-off. That kind of surprised me. Thanks for the information you provided.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/31/2012

Roec, all that you say makes perfect sense. But theres no weekly, monthly, yearly treat. I dont hear from anyone Xmas or birthdays. Its all because of the chemical & all sensitivities. I can NEVER eat anything different or do anything different as it might involve going near a person or a car might come past. And absolutely forget shopping. Cant sit in a park because the council sprays it, thats apart from someone might come near me. Cant read a book, have a hobby, using a computer for these few minutes usually involves hours of further pain. No holidays, weekends off, just sitting in the car waiting for apple cider vinegar to work. Or all the other supplements. Or the antibiotics. Cant get anyone to respond to me re: stem cell therapy. So you see, very difficult to do something different and thoughts will follow.

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Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/31/2012

I wish I knew more about your exact issue. Are you saying that you know for sure your issues are an overload of toxicity? If so I strongly urge you to research the Gerson Therapy.

I'm pretty sure along the way of researching, you have come across studies, research and personal accounts of how ones outlook effected their health. I will reiterate those ideas.

You physical body responds to negativity and stress but also thoughts of suicide. I know when there seems to be no end in sight to the suffering one endures, such thoughts occur. It would be silly of me to say try to focus on something positive or try to shake it off because I know what its like to have something causing pain that directly generates such negative thoughts.

My advise is to try to become more aware of your emotions that lead you to such thoughts. I realized I tended to have more negative thoughts when my physical body felt very tired from not sleeping well or when I was ill. I was then able to expect such thoughts when ill or sleep deprived and knew they where initiated by these physical states of being.

I take St. Johns wart just before bed to help me sleep deeper. When I am rested the following day I am a bit more optimistic. Just like when we are grouchy when we are hungry, getting rest when we have health challenges or life challenges reduces the tendency of negative thoughts.

Another way to promoting better emotions is through a diet of raw veggies and freshly juiced fruits and veggies, no or very little carbs and meat. After the 4tyh or 5th day your body feels better. Your mind then follows.

Also another thing I'll do is treat myself one a week to something really nice. It could be a really big expensive meal, or buying a ton of junk at ikea. It makes that moment about me and gives me something positive to do physically.

Rest not only helps heal the body but it sooths and rests the mind and emotions.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/31/2012

I wished I believed this. I approached every remedy, every new practitioner, new doctor, new supplement with positivity but after 20 yrs I dont believe there is an answer that Im going to find from a car & when Im not able to be near people, get into a store etc. To say Im suicidal is an understatement. Im sorry if this upsets anyone but sometimes things go too far. Pesticides do permanently damage. I know now, would have been better if Id known earlier that all organs have some if not permanent damage. yes I did do sodium thiosulfate, carbicarb, pretty much everything on here. I only found the beets protocol recently. Yes, Im still on 3 antibiotics and pulsing in a 4th. The pain is a little less but I cant imagine antibiotics is going to help my mcs and my liver. But what can I do? Im just looking for the tiniest bit of improvement.

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Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/30/2012

Hi Robyn, Glad to see you're rallying! Good for you... Hadn't seen you on here for awhile and was thinking about you and wondering how you were doing. Mmsg is right, you'll find an answer. I know sometimes it seems as if we've hit a dead end but eventually the right answers come. Did you ever use sodium thiosulfate? I can't recall, I know you've tried so many things! The last time you came on you seemed that you were throwing in the towel and were going the mainstream meds direction. What did you decide on? Anyway, wishing you the best, Lisa

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Posted by Roec (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/30/2012

I had liver pain after a hep a vaccine for 3 years. I wached this video on youtube about how silica combines with aluminum in the body and then is able to be removed through the urine.

The guy recommended drinking a particular bottled water that naturally contained a very high amount of silica. That brand was expensive but after 6 months of drinking that water every day, the pain went away and I was able sleep on my side again.

Its expensive because its imported fromFrancewhere it is bottled from the source of an old volvic location. When I looked at it from the perspective of this 2. 69 bottle of water being a cheap daily treatment to remove aluminum toxicity, it was well worth 20 bucks a week.

Although, I would drink 3 or 4 bottles a week. I know some people drink that amount in a day but I don't seem to require a lot of water unless its really hot out or I am physically active.

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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/30/2012
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Robyn, I dunno what to tell you but one thing for sure: you ARE on your way to healing, keep trying and somehow, somewhere, some day the BINGO will happen!

Posted by Mm (Olympia, Wa) on 08/30/2012

Try sea salt water.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/29/2012

I have found 5 yr old blood tests that show efgr, creatinine levels really high. Docs never said anything but when I google it it seems to be about kidney distress. I am trying to get all these metals and virus toxins out of me who knows how much candida & pesticides. Has anyone had an organics test done? So expensive. Considering it OR for a good juicer so I can do the MBP - if I can handle it. For the moment, just once a day Ive been blending the beetroot, cooking it for a few mins with fennel in filtered water and drinking immediately. I notice the butter oil & cod liver oil comes highly recommended but Ive been told not to have cod liver oil as it slows down your metabolism.

Im desperate for some reprieve from this pain & being beaten up by chemicals.

Posted by Mikalmmyers (Claremont, Ca, Usa) on 08/29/2012
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Better But With Side Effects

I'm doing a liver cleanse that calls for me to eat quite a bit of garlic. I am a massage therapist, which means I work in very close quarters with clients. My wife and 3 others have told me I smell like garlic now. Anyone have a remedy to rid the body smell until I finish in 3 more days?

Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 08/29/2012 2077 posts

Bibi, I posted this article a few weeks ago here on E. C. As I had been experiencing many of the symptoms listed. One important point, the Aldehydes are a natural byproduct of fungal metabolism NOT the result of die-off, according to this article. I require at least 250mcg MolyB daily but 250mcg 2x daily is best; and 25mg NAD daily is definitely needed to keep me clear. At least 50mg Zinc daily also helps a bunch. The die-off itself is harmful as you seem to have experienced, and especially bad for the liver, so some Milk Thistle Seed would help along w/ the other nutrients.

Posted by Bibi (Nashville, Tn) on 08/28/2012

I went a little gung-ho a few years ago on coconut oil and on borax. These are both anti-fungal products... And very helpful, too. Just remember your body can only handle so much toxin die-off at one time, and to give it time to detox. If you overwhelm your system, you might end up with extreme muscle weakness and brain fog. Seems like my symptoms match alcoholism, although I rarely drink. After much research, I learned that the body has trouble with metabolizing acetaldehyde, usually a byproduct of alcoholism, but also of candida/fungal die off. I've included a link to a webpage that gives some information about acetaldehyde. My understanding is that Molybdenum (a mineral) breaks acetaldehyde down into acetic acid, so that it can be metabolized & passed out of your body. Also, there is a nice substitution listed for prednisone (pantethine - pantothenic acid). I hope you'll take the time to read this page. Seems very informative.

Posted by Jk (Orange County, Ca) on 08/14/2012
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Yes, parsley can help flush out toxins and have the other benefits, but the people with liver diseases should be careful to use it, because of high iron and high level will damage liver cells.

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Posted by Robyn (Melbourne, Australia) on 07/20/2012

I've just seen the mini beet protocol after following this site for years. I had considered juicing only for a few minutes. I'm in too much pain to pull a juicer apart & clean it. I tried a beet & carrot juice from a juice place (not organic) & I felt very ill, I thought because I'm hypoglycemic it had spiked my sugar levels. I don't eat carrots because they make me ill, all starchy veg do. Recently I started to eat beets when I saw on the dr oz show how great they are. Eating seems to be OK but from what I gather this is not going to do the trick. Im still homeless & I do get to bathe but I can't do much about it being in chlorinated flouridated water. I was taking a bath & putting sodium thiosulphate you use in pools to get the chlorine out. Would that help?

Magnesium Malate
Posted by Muslim (Oslo, Norway) on 07/18/2012

Hi Julie, the most abundant source of malic acid that is found is hibiscus flowers which is used alot as tea.

Magnesium Malate
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, USA) on 07/18/2012 2077 posts

Magnesium Malate also helps fuel the krebs cycle of energy production. As most folks are Magnesium deficient, it would probably prove beneficial to also take other forms of Mg to free up the Malate to do the detox work.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Suem (Worden, Il Usa) on 07/18/2012

I google "how to detox your lymphatic system naturally" and started reading from there. There are a couple of books I can recommend. "Herbal Medicine, From the Heart of the Earth" by Dr. Sharon Marie Tilgner and anything by Adelle Davis. I'm currently reading her book, "Let's Stay Healthy". In this one, she breaks down everything on how food works in our body, what each organ does and what it takes from the food to function and stay healthy. It's so easy to understand for us "laymen". Do some research on her, also. Fascinating reading..... she was way above her time.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Stella (Brooklyn, Ny) on 07/17/2012

Can you recommend something to read or share some links on the lymphatic system? Thanks ;)

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