Natural Cures for Back Pain Relief


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Posted by Sarah (Spain) on 11/20/2016
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I use DMSO for back pain or if I get pains from working out and it works great. I also used it in a spray bottle with coconut oil to get rid of an abscess and both every time I use it, it's worked great. I have been using a mix of 50-50 ratio. After a bit of research, maybe this is too strong? The only things I don't like about using this product is, it makes my breath smell garlicky or toxic my partner would say and my skin on my lower legs gets really dry, does this happen to anyone else?

Posted by Benjamin (Ontario) on 04/27/2015
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Dmso is amazing for stiffness and pain. Totally helped me with my back pain. I had horrible stiffness in morning mid back and could hardly get out of bed and after a few weeks of 1 tablespoon every other day it was gone. It is totally safe...

Posted by Cfb933e2 (North America) on 09/01/2014

I have a question. I did some labour one day a week ago and think I may have over done it. I felt a pain in my lower back on the right side at the time and I thought to myself that I had done some kind of over exertion and hurt myself.

The pain in the lower back region began getting worse and worse and I could barely move to get out of bed after I lay down. I had to urinate into a bottle because of pain when I tried to move my hips off the bed.

I broke out into a sweat when I finally was able to stoop and thought I was going to pass out so I lay back down again.

Early this morning I had to get up out of bed because the urine bottle was full and I had terrible cramps in my legs so I thought to get some magnesium into my body.

I got to the chair where the DMSO gel container was on the desk and thought to try applying it to the lower back region. It was almost immeadiate that the pain was manageable for me to walk up stairs.

This pain does not feel like back pain of which I am familiar.

I can move my legs and arms just fine.

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn.) on 02/13/2014

HI U GOOD FOLKS DOIN, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

I am not up to snuff. Had a fall this week while stacking firewood and my chiropractor is having little effect. I am turning on my back FIR EMITTERS and painting my lower back with 70% DMSO gel. That is helping mor' better , which is Southern for better. Dang, just because you are hurting there is no reason you can't have fun with it.

Cleaning my arms of sun damage is on the back burner. Again a Southern term. Save your Confederate money because the South is going to rise again. Just messin with you. What I am learning after these falls is that I can't do what I did as a youth. That is hard sayins.

It means that I got to start acting like an old person and that brings tears to my eyes. I know I'm on the shady side of the mountain but that is not where I want to be. I jus got to slow down and do what my ole body allows.

You young whipper snappers need to appreciate where you are and take advantage of Earth Clinic to keep yourself young. When it goes, then it goes and you can't bring it back. Most of us will not have pain in the next life. We will be dancing on the streets of gold.

Sorry for this pitty party, but I ain't feel too good.

========OLE ROBERT HENRY==========

Replied by Mama To Many
Tennessee, Usa

Dear Robert Henry,

I am so sorry you are feeling poorly! I will be praying for your recovery.

Hope you feel lots better soon. I trust you will keep us posted!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Rsw
Uniontown, Oh

Hi Robert Henry,

So sorry to hear you are not feeling up to snuff right now, but you will figure this out and be back to your old ornery self soon.

I pinched a nerve in my neck about a month ago for the first time, and was pretty miserable myself. Nothing helped - ice packs, heat, DMSO, Frankincense, CS, etc. Finally, my husband made a plank type ramp out of wood, about 3 feet tall that I used to lay upside down on and stretch my neck and back out for about 5 minutes at a time, especially right before bed. I held on by a strap on my feet at the top. It helped more than anything! Still hurts but I can see the light! What caused this? I bent over and picked my cat up, something I have been doing my whole life. Not great to get older but we're not done yet! Hang in there and let us know what you figure out. I guarantee it will be an original and be something from which we can all learn something. Best wishes.

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile Tn.

HI U Rsaw, , , , , , , , , , What your husband is doin for you is what my chiropractor calls de-compression and that opens up your vertebrae, so it appears that you chose a smart mate. He must like you. All married folks love one another, but most just don't like one another. Married folks stay together longer if the like one another.

I thank you for your concern and yep, I'll have a story after this episode. You learn from experience and I did not get smart at 65 nor 75 and hoping I make it at 85. It appears that the FIR Sauna back heat along with the 75% DMSO gel is going to do the job. I also use magnets at night.

Thank you for your concern and my wife read your onery comment and said, "she has your number".


Replied by Mike62

Robert Henry: Being a laid back easy going fella like myself, I figure you might not be getting enough nourishing roots because they are hard to chop so you can try this remarkable recipe. Items need to be organic. Put variety of whole roots in water. Add fresh squeezed lemon juice and ACV. Soak for 1 day. Drain water and drink in small doses several times/day. Repeat procedure. Acids extract delicious goodies from remarkable roots into water. When colorful phyto chemicals are not being extracted anymore chop up, they'll be easy because acids soften tough cellulose, put into blender, grind up and eat. From all us mild mannered ordinary folk living here in rocky mountain high hope this makes you feel better.

Replied by Rsw
Uniontown, Oh

Hi Prioris and Robert Henry,

How many IU or FU of Serrapeptase or Nattokinase would you recommend per day? Is a single dose OK? My understanding is that Serrapeptase is more for inflammation but also clears out debris, (is this also in blood vessels?)while Nattokinase is good to keep the blood vessels clean. Is this correct? Can they be taken together or are they better taken one at a time? I notice that K2 supplements generally also contains K1, and I am concerned about blood clotting. I usually take a fermented cod liver oil/butter blend for the K2, since it seems more of a food to me. Thank you. (Robert Henry - My back still hurts, too, but it's getting better! Been using bio available curcumin and fresh ground ginger in my tea, but still having trouble looking down and combing my hair. Dr. said it should take at least 8 weeks. My husband appreciated your comments. Your wife sounds like keeper, too! )

Replied by Prioris

Serrapeptase does also include some fibrinolytic enzyme but can clear out debris. Yes, you can take nattokinase and serrapeptase at same time. The two enemies of these enzymes is acid and food particles.

I take K2 during the mid day with main meal. There are different theories on how K2 works. One says it goes to the liver and only is used if needed but don't know for sure. Nattokinase has a 3 to 8 hour window in which it is active. I take it morning and bedtime. So I just take K2 during my evening meal so outside the 8 hour windows.

My plan is to take K2 for 2 or 3 months - sort of like doing a cleansing of calcium from the arteries - then take it every second or third day dor maintenance. I'll experiment.

I would take a strong antioxidant like astaxanthin with your cod liver oil and butter. Fish oil without antioxidant protection can damage your brain.

Here is general guideline for the nattokinase

In regard to what dosage one takes with nattokinase and serrapeptase, it really depends how sick and symptomatic one is. Also age is a factor. As one ages, one can build up a lot of gunk in the arteries. Another factor is the profile of ones disease.

If your under 40 and relatively healthy, ones arteries are generally going to be in decent shape so I don't think one needs it. If one is relatively healthy and over 45, I would say 2000 FU on empty stomach before bed is all you need for preventative measure.

If one has anything related to heart disease and you are symptomatic, it means there are more serious problems going on. So probably a good idea to take higher dose just to be sure. I would dose nattokinase at dosage of 6000 FU 2X per day.

Whether one needs serrapeptase is not clear but it can't hurt and may help. PLus it works a little different than nattokinase. I'd go 80,000 IU three times a day. Take it with nattokinase. In my particular situation, I found I needed it.

You do this for 1 to 3 months. If you think you may have clots that need dissolving, it usually takes 2 to 3 months to take a lot of the clot away. Any symptoms you have should be gone within one month. For maintenance, taking 2000 FU when going to bed and upon wake. It's really ones call to decide whether serrapeptase is right for you and also length of time.

If one has cancer, i'd look into enzyme therapy also.

If one has a chronic illness then besides the aforementioned factors, you have to look at the profile of your disease. If people with your disease are dropping dead from heart disease or show any signs of blood coagulation then I would do a 1-3 month cleansing of your arteries then go on maintenance. So I'd follow what I said about heart disease and adjust it for ones age and other factors. i'd look into enzymes in general and experiment with them.

Everyone's situation can be different so the above is just some framework to operate within. you adjust it accordingly for your risk factors.

There are some rare blood clotting disorders that nattokinase doesn't treat so be careful. nattokinase can replace things like tpa, coumadin etc. It doesn't replace something like heparin. heparin by the way seems like one of the few positive prescription drugs that actually addresses the underlying problems.

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile, Tn

HI U OLE PATOOTS DOIN,,,,,,,,,, me, I'm a little better and don't know why. This will be one of my sagas so get in a comfortable position. All know I fell in Feb '14 and crushed my T 12 Vertebrae. From there it has been about as exciting as I can stand. I have been to Spine MD's, Chiropractors, taken Ozone shots, lots of DMSO w/ liniment. Now taking Hemp oil as recommended by Rsw and Timh here on EC. My latest toy is a spine decompression machine. I spent several sessions on it to no avail. Finally, I asked my Tractor Driver to run our hi-dollar vibrator on low down my back while on this machine. All of a sudden I heard and felt a loud pop. Scared my mule and told her to stop.

The next morning my feet and legs no longer looked like they belonged to an elephant. Wow, what is going on? My back pain is still there, but less, and moved up my spine from my L 5. I knew that our lymph system going down each leg come out at our T 12 Veb, and figured that it was restricted and that is the reason I can't get my feet and legs to normal size. Am I making progress? Yep, but not enough to get out of pain. The procedure I did broke some hung up vertebrae loose. I've had numerous MRI's so why did not my doctors see my problem? What I've learned at 79 is that no doctor is as interested in your health as you. Also, no Finance guy is as interested in your wealth as you. After a lifetime, I learned to look after my own health and my own money.

The only time I have ever heard the term FOUR SCORE is in Lincoln's Gettysburg address. Well in a few months, that is how old I will be. Was hoping to go out without a lot of pain and suffering but guess us old folks just have to grin a bear it. If you follow my diatribes then you know that I fought cancer to a stand still after 5 years and will whip this problem also. Persistence will solve all of mankind's problems. Guess what US President said that? Not going to tell you.......... LOOK IT UP.

LOVE YOU ALL ===========ORH=============

Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe

What a lucky break, ORH! Hopefully the healing will continue well now that the "blockage" is gone!

Age is in one's attitude, so going by that, yo still one mean whippersnapper!

The persistence blurb is from Calvin Coolidge, says the Google maven!

Replied by Keiko


I have been reading your posts for many years and enjoy your sense of humor and fond way of teaching on earthclinic. I have gone through many health issues too, and this site has been a blessing in my recovery and I presume many others too. Thank you earthclinic team.

Sorry to hear you are in much pain! Have you tried craniosacrial balancing? If you are not familiar it's an energetic form of clearing and healing the body. There's a book Wisdom in the Body by Michael Kern which describes the method of craniosacrial approach. I'm not a doctor, however, I can confidently say this approach has helped me clear two epidural spots in my back after having two c-sections (fifteen years later). This method worked while in massage therapy classes. If you are interested, try to find a specialist who is certified by the Upledger Institute. Or, a body worker who is familiar with this approach. It may take a series of sessions to release your back. As always check with a medical doctor too.

Also to ease your pain organic or wild crafted St. John's wort with frankincense - boswellia carterii and German chamomile- matricaria recutita ( 1 ounce, 5 drops frankincense 4 drops g. Chamomile (from Nepal)) . When purchasing essential oils I suggest only buy oils which have been gc/ms tested.

This is my two cents worth for the day!!

Many blessings to you and your tractor driver!!

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile , Tn

HI U KEIKO,,,,,,,,,,, Thanks, copied your post and will research. Back is improving as I said. Problem with my shot gun address is that you got to guess as to what has helped.

Saw my Pharmacist friend after church and she told me that a worm pill that once sold for $ 5/ pill was taken off the market. It is back and now sells for $700/ pill. These folks need to attend church with me and read Revelations Chapter 16.

ATS ======ORH===========

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile, Tn

Finished the bottle of Canabis oil that Rsw and Timh recommended. Might have helped, but did not leave me pain free. Canceled my next ozone shots as they do not appear to be helping. My next issue is to change up my bed. I will put plywood on my mattress and a 1 1/2" memory foam over that.

Went to the farm today and planted part of our fall garden. I worked until I could not stand the back pain and then sat down for about 10 minutes and was good to go. That procedure is a mystery to me. If we have someone on EC that can explain this to me I will dance at their next wedding. It has to be a lumbar thing from my crushed T 12.

Taking our Rat Terrier pup to the farm and she is in P pore condition. Soon her tongue is as long as her ears trying to keep cool. Once back home she sacks out for the rest of the day. She is a hunting dog, but our daughter in law kept her for over a month and turned her into an A/C lap dog. Dogs need to be treated as dogs.

Head back to the farm tomorrow to finish planting our fall garden. Wish we could share our figs, apples, pears and muscadines with all you city slickers. Fall tomatoes are starting to ripen. Old tomatoes vines are dying. If you read what is going on down in Venezuela, then you will figure out how to grow a garden regardless of where you live. Freeze dryer to be delivered Monday. This device will allow us to keep fruit, meat, and veggies for 25 years. Life is fixing to get about as interesting as we can stand.

BE PREPARED ==========ORH================

Replied by Janet

Robert Henry. I was thinking about your condition. We cured my husbands spinal stenosis. His c7 c6 discs were blown.

Instead of surgery we went through each of Ted's remedies 1 by 1.

1 whole lime squeezed 1/2 tsp bakiing soda 2x a day 1/2 hour after food. We have done the Apple Cider Vinegar too. My favorite adds 1/4 tsp potassium bicarbonate to the lime remedy.

2nd and probably the most important was the lysine remedy. Ken is a big guy so our lysine remedy is 1000mg of lysine powder in a glass. 500 mg of vit c as sodium ascorbate or vit c a pinch of baking soda. 5 drops of methylene blue. I make it all in a 10 oz water bottle, mark 4 sections pour out the first one into a glass. Adding 1000mg of l threonine and 1/4 tsp of humic acid mix to the first dose. Then he takes the 3 remaining doses hourly. This we did for two full weeks as the nerve path can have a virus alongside the injury.

Humic acid 2 tsp 1/2 tsp sea salt 1 and 1/2 cups of distilled water for this and one other remedy making. Blend or leave overnight on the counter.

Hyaluronic acid 20 capsules opened in blender. Add 1/2 tsp sea salt 10 oz distilled water blend. Take 2 tbsp 3x a day.

For further pain relief what we affectionately call lick the mower. But is so effective for pain. This is Tony Pantellarescos controversial dose. 1 1/2 tsp of liquid chlorophyll 1/2 tsp of trisodium phosphate tsp. 1 liter of water. Shake, take 1 oz as often as needed. Tony uses distilled waterr.

Our topical remedy every day during the healing. A thin layer of dmso add magnesium oil then hyaluronic acid mix. 2x a day if we can on Ken's spine and hips.

He saw a Palmer school chiropractor.

He now has little to no problems. Ken works 7 days a week 12 hour a day. Hard physical work on cement. He has thrown it out 1 or 2 times but the chiro puts it back and he is good.

I have found as we have become immersed in alternative medicine we forget the basics. You know all of this like the back of your hand. Thought a review might help. Janet

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile, Tn

HI U JANET,,,,,,,,,,,,, thank you for your input. As you know I's getting lots of suggestions and can only do so much. I will add your post to my file and get to it when others fail.

What is messing up my mind is that sitting cures my pain. Standing or sleeping causes my pain to come back. Need a really smart dude to figure this one out. It seems to be a structural thing.

The spine doctors have no clue, except shots.


Replied by Kennywally
49 posts

Rsw, what you did was made your own TEETER HANGUP, to relieve the back of the daily compression you get from ordinary life. They claim it gives relief and your relief is their confirmation that it works. I wanted one but my place is so tiny.....maybe I can make a subsitute like you did!?

Posted by Matt (Millbrook, Ny) on 12/26/2009
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I had slept on a bad mattress for one night too many. I woke up one day with sharp pains in my back. It made work very difficult, but I figured it would eventually go away on it's own. No dice. One day, after a week of back pain, I took about 1/2 teaspoon of DMSO to help my immune system recover after Lyme. I didn't realize it at first, but the back pain was gone within hours (probably sooner), and it NEVER came back! I even slept on that bad mattress again! lol not smart...

I should also add that some people are very sensitive to the smell of DMSO, and I "offended" at least one person.

Posted by Lucinda (Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, USA) on 01/04/2009
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Found some roll on DMSO in a closet I was cleaning out and found your website. I have lower back pain and I put some on it. Already, it feels good! Thank you, Lucinda

Posted by Jodi (North Fork, California USA) on 12/07/2008
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My husband has been having upper back and shoulder pain so bad that he can't sleep at night. He's tried all kinds of pain killers without any effect. Last night I put some DMSO on his back and his skin blistered up and his pain doubled. Can anyone tell me what we did wrong? I used a roll-on applicator that the DMSO came in and didn't put much on at all. I did, however, buy it at a feed store. Did I buy the wrong type?

Replied by Rex
Laffayette, La

Sounds like he has sulphur allergies. DMSO is Dimethyl sulfoxide; so every absorbed molecule carried a sulphur atom with it.

Replied by Tapike
San Augustine, Texas

I don't seem to have any sensitivity to DMSO, but for those of you who do, try looking for it with Aloe Vera added to it. The Aloe Vera seems to help in counteracting any redness, itching or blistering that the DMSO may cause. If you can't find the combination (usually found at local ranch/agricultural feed stores), then just buy some pure Aloe Vera juice or gel & stir in a little DMSO before applying. In buying DMSO, look for a 70% DMSO/30% Distilled Water ratio on the bottle. Try a 50/50 mixture of Aloe Vera & DMSO & if that's too strong, adjust the ratios accordingly until you have one that works best for you. Someone else may have better predetermined ratios than I do, however.

Posted by Wes (Woodstock Ont., Ontario Can.) on 09/22/2008
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I have had 5 degenerative discs in my lower back for about 5 years. The Drs say go home and live with it Surgery is to dangerious. I have been taking corizone injections every three months, but they only last a short while.

My brother-in -law told me about DMSO and he had some on hand. I tried it by putting some on a peace of gauze and appling it to my lower back. I then covered it with saran wrap. After 24 hours the pain was gone and i did this twice a day for 4 days. Since then i only use it when i feel my back starting to hurt. This pain was also causing my right testicle to swell and was very painful. Since using DMSO, I now have relief again and the testicle has gone back to normal.

By the way I'm 79 years old.

Thankful for DMSO and my brother-in -law for telling me about it.

Replied by Donna
Yuma, Arizona - USA

I don't mean to sound like a dork, but what is DMSO? Thank you. PS I found this website a week ago and I LOVE IT!!!!! Will send some feedback soon.


Replied by Tony
Feltham, Middlesex

I have severe back pain. Where do you buy DMSO? What type of DMSO, what brand of DMSO etc etc??

Dowager's Hump  

Posted by Barb (San Jose, Ca) on 03/13/2012

I had a headache and nausea at work. A coworker (who used to work in a chiropractor's office) gave me a massage. He said I had a dowager's hump- probably due to my being hunched over while working on my computer. I can feel the hump and was wondering how if there was a natural remedy to get rid of it.

I am going to be taking vitamin D3 daily and add calcium and magnesium as well. I had been diagnosed with osteopenia a couple of years ago. But my doctor never really explained anything about it to me. I just had an annual exam and she just reviewed my lab results and that's it. I need to find a new doctor, but in the mean time I want to get rid of this hump at the base of my neck.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thank you, Barbara

Replied by David
Anchorage, Ak

With a dowagers hump, think fascia. I'd look into Rolfing, as well as Facial Stretch Therapy as possible solutions.

Replied by Carly
Seattle, Wa - Usa

Humped, hunched over upper backs tend to be inherited in my family. I also have slight scoliosis of my upper spine which doesn't help matters much.

Below are the things that I have found to be of help for it, and for the spine in general.

Things to research using:

  • 1) Inversion table
  • 2) Foam roller
  • Both are great for stretching out the spine.
  • 3) Orthotic inserts for your shoes.
  • RE: Back brace. I asked my Dr. if a back brace might be of help when they found the scoliosis, but he said at *my* age it would not. sigh. Braces are for the younger crowd. ;)
  • Supplements to Research:
  • 1) Magnesium Citrate 400 mg day
  • 2) Boron 3 to 6 mg a day
  • 3) D3 - 5,000 iu minimum a day
  • 4) Zinc - 15mg day
  • 5) Calcium - not daily, perhaps every other day at 600 mg. This is only if you do not eat vegetables or dairy. If you eat a lot of either, no calcium supplement. See Teds thoughts on Calcium on Earth Clinic. Supplements are usually NOT needed.
  • 6) Vitamin C - 1,000mg x 4 a day or to bowel tolerance (as with Magnesium, you WILL know if you have had too much! Start with less, work up to more).

I am 51 now, and my hump doesn't seem to have progressed in the past decade, it is holding at a slight outward curve.

When I see elderly women very hunched over, it just looks so painful. Julia Child had a pronounced back hump also. Running off subject here, so will close by saying....

Good Luck! Carly

Replied by Catherine
Wellington, New Zealand

Check for B12 levels, methylcobalamin in sublingual drops is good.. Adelle Davis ascribed bent over posture in older people caused by b12 deficiencies. Happens to vegetarians as they don't eat red meat. You can check out the relationship between b12 and stooped posture on internet.

Replied by Rob
Manhattan, Ny

Similarily I suffer from poor posture from over 20 years of hunched over computer work. The solution is unfortunately not a quick fix but steps can be taken to improve the condition over time with lifestyle changes. In addition to the above recommendations I would add yoga to your weekly practice.. If you can't find a local class there are online programs and videos to help you, but a skilled yoga practitioner could give you some corrective poses. (be cautious however as many yoga poses are in fact too extreme & unnecessary) Simply placing a yoga mat near your work area (I work out of home) and taking frequent breaks by just lying on your back and doing some simple exercises and breathing can help break your routine of hunching over at the computer. Making something routine is key in correcting this... I purchased a simple chin up bar... Placing near or on the bathroom door.. And ever time I use the bathroom I give myself a body stretch... Not necessary to do a chinup but just to grab onto it and release my weight enough to stretch my spine.. In addition to the above nutrition tips I would add Natto.. (if you can enjoy its unusual consitency) In Japan it is often eaten for breakfast... (I have it with eggs when I eat them)..

here is a link about yoga & dowagers hump:

& about Natto & osteopenia

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Posted by Boblack (Germantown, MD) on 07/20/2009
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I have experienced bad back pain ever since junior year of high school where during a heavy lifting session I injured my back. After spending a lot of money on drugs and physical therapists, I can truly say nothing works better than just eliminating diary from my diet, sleeping on the floor, and doing several ab exercises. I have been doing these three things for the last two months and have noticed a significant reduction in my lower back pain. For those of you who complain they can enjoy the favorite breakfast foods without milk I suggest trying rice or soy milk or If you don't care like me just use water.

Posted by Chris (Atlanta) on 02/18/2007
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Had crazy making lower back pain from age 14(!) to 25 when finally my new therapist told me to go off dairy and give it a chance for only 3 weeks. I gave it a chance although my "diet" up to then was probably made out of up to 60% dairy products. after 3 weeks my back pain was COMPLETELY GONE! dairy sucks!!!

Replied by Oly
London, United Kingdom

I am a 53 years old woman I was diagnosed with lumber prolapse about two years ago and have been living with pain on my back as well sciatica pain down to my legs. I came to this site in my quest for cure or management. Please can anyone tell me what I can do to get rid of this pain. I have spent money visiting chiropractors, chinese acunpuncture and massage, several heat pads and regular pain killers which does not have effect. Please help god bless you


Replied by Phil
Dearing, Ga

Hello Oly, You stated you have seen chiropractors for your condition. Well in my opinion there is only one type of chiropractor that actually works... The practice you will be looking for is called the GONSTEAD.

Ask your chiropractor what method he or she uses. Find one that does the Gonstead method. The older the chiropractor usally the better.

You can research it yourself using Google, But there is a big difference in the Gonstead method and other chiropractor treatments. If a Gonstead practicing chiropractor can't fix you, then it may be DDD.

There is also some stuff on here already under the Ailments section but one thing that comes to mind is magnesium. I believe Ted, somewhere on here recommended magnesium for back related issues. The key in the magnesium seems to be its ability to make the muscles stregthen add hold the bones in thier proper places.

Stretches and stregthen the Ab muscle will also help.

My chiropractor told me the Key to a healthy back, Is a strong core ( Midsection of a person )

Ab muscles equals strong back.

I hope you DO NOT have degenerative disc disease, because my mother had sciatica problems and found out she had DDD. She had to have surgery and has never fully recovered. Her bones never fused back together. It has been two years now.

Replied by Phil
Dearing, Ga

Oh and Oly, NEVER EVER use heat pads instead always use ice packs.

My father always believed in heat, But again My chiropractor always told me to never use HEAT. Heat can temporally paralyze you. Make your condition worse... You want to Ice for 15 minutes on and 15 minutes off, repeated for maybe say an hour.

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Posted by Tom (Virginia, Usa) on 04/20/2014

Thank you for making this site available. I just had a visit with my doctor and won't be going back. I have been dealing with some back pain and wanted a referral to see my chiropractor. The doctor refused the referral b/c he didn't believe in it. However, he sure as hell was ok in prescribing me medication that had side effects.

I am determined to use alternative means to heal my pain and future illness.

Your site is extremely easy to use and I really appreciate the user feedback on the various remedies. I am going to share your site with my Facebook friends and family. You are an invaluable resource. Thank you again.

Posted by Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 04/27/2013

I read heal back pain by John Sarno and he believes the body creates distractions in the form of health issues to protect the mind from issues that it deems to difficult to cope with. In the book he talks about how when you finally call the bluff of a health issue and ignore it, it moves to symptoms in another part of the body.... how weird!

Subconscious illnesses, made to keep us sane? What illness would you choose, if you could pick one and ditch all the ones you are currently trying to figure out?

It is interesting, my mom has alzheimers and since she has no memory, she no longer has IBS, high blood pressure, tension disorders, Candida, or emotional outburst and she has had numerous death defying health issues over the years.

Replied by Oldriska
Prague, Czech Republic

The idea is interesting. I used to wonder if I had imposed my illness on me somehow - subconsiously, or otherwise; I think it's one of the phases some people with a serious health problem go through. As much as I would love to get rid of my condition, which is atypical trigeminal neuralgia (constant facial pain), or trade it off for more "smaller" issues, I find that there is little I can do. Ignoring the disease is impossible, if there is pain as a constant reminder. So even when people tell me not to think about the pain and I'll be okay, they don't know what they're talking about. Nerves are a part of the autonomous nerve system -- no matter how hard I try, wish or pray or try to ignore them -- I cannot stop them from hurting. Maybe I just did a bad job picking my illness:)

Replied by Joy
Battleground , Wash

Yes, I have had shingles at least 5 times, and one episode set off the nerves on my left rib and couldn't wear anything tight on it for over two years. As I wrote in my post... Pick your illness... to help others because John Sarno called his illness bluff and overcame by perseverance and study.

I have found my answers and overcome all but two huge liver cysts (autoimmune), the teeth need made NEW. I read a LOT. 5-8 hours a day and I don't feel very intelligent but I am determined. Nerve pain is excruciating...

I encourage you to read the work of Dr. Batmanghelidj. and Carolyn Dean, the miracle of magnesium, and read about coconut oil, since I have come to believe it heals the body teeth to rectum.... Get a good multi mineral and milti vitamin and some omegas and GO SLOW VERY SLOW. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN AGONY. You can overcome too. I found one of my answers after much search and trial on 4-27-13.. YAY :)

The body will heal given the right ingredients at the right time and I am proof.
- 1-2 cups water 1/2 hour before food
- Eat normal meal with coconut oil in food with supplements of magnesium citrate plus multi mineral and mutli vitamins and omegas and folic acid, betafood, sea salt in diet every meal
- 1-2 cups water 1/2 hour before next meal,
- Eat normal with magnesium citrate and multi mineral and betafood, coffee is a weakness so I drink some water between meals
- 1-2 cups water 1/2 hour before next meal
- Eat normal with betafood, some coffee

I also add yogurt, cranberry and garlic for intestinal health... May your JOY BE FULL

Replied by Kathy
the USA

Oldriska--I don't know if this will help but pain comes from inflammation. I had been informed over twenty years ago that magnesium provides some protection against the stimulating effects of hidden sources of MSG, which has permeated our food supply. I've had multiple injuries but have not had the pain I used to have before I started taking it every day. I thought eating more spinach was giving me the calcium I needed after a hysterectomy. Prior to that I had been eating spinach to keep my eyes from drying out so I could tolerate contacts. Long story shortened: spinach and chocolate contain oxalic acid that prevents the absorption of magnesium that is required so calcium can do its job. Believe me I learned the hard way due to the grinding bone-on-bone pain after neck and back injuries.

Replied by Kathy
the USA

Hello again Oldriska--I had to stop posting earlier and couldn't finish... I sent it without proof reading. You might want to try taking 1/4-1/2 tsp of turmeric in warm water when you are in pain. Hidden sources of manufactured glutamic acid (MSG) are hard to stay away from. "MSG" is a nerve stimulant. Turmeric and ginger reduce inflammation. I use them both on my vegetables and eggs. Just make sure there are no fillers in the ingredients. Beware of the flowing/anti-caking agent in your salt. Try using "Real Salt".

Replied by Bess
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Hi Oldriska: I'm so sorry you are in such pain. Have you checked out Earth Clinic's page on Trigeminal Neuralgia?

Also, facial massage, trigger point release, acupressure and acupuncture have been of use to some. I hope you find something that works for you. Take care, Bess

Replied by Leah

Have you looked into DMSO for your pain?

Replied by Mary
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Hi Joy: What is beta food? Did Dr. B's water cure help you loose any weight? (if you needed to I mean) I was shocked to learn the edema I have been suffering all these years meant that I was dehydrated and lacking salt. I was and am shocked. Thank you again!!! I will let you know how `The Water Cure`works for me. Am very intrigued!!!! Mary

Replied by Joy
Battleground, Wash

AF betafood is a lot of things in one supplement, for gallbladder support. Root of beet, carrot, oat flour , dried beet leaf, defatted wheat germ, cal mag bovine liver nutritional yeast bovine kidney alfalfa flour ect.. Etc.. Worth the big expense if your digestion is faulty. I took ten a day for a month a felt much better able to digest my food.

One thing Dr. Batman didn't go into a lot of detail about that I was missing was that magnesium in a raito of 1 cal 1 mag is best because our food is high calcium and that also affects our bodies water systems.

I'm not losing any weight but using coconut oil and was using the meat trying to get digestive tract free of yeast and trying to heal liver cysts. One problem at a time.... Hope you find yourself feeling better and eating more variety.

Replied by Joy
Battleground, Wash

John Sarno also wrote in Heal Back Pain about how the body would first create the pain and then as you would get the one area of pain under control it would be re-created in some area that had not been in pain. I find this very interesting after years of knocking out health issues and having a new one crop up out of nowhere.

It feels like I am always having to do research to find new answers. Maybe I'll get one that is not so awful and just stop there..........???

How many books does it take to solve the dis-ease? I have a full library now and those are the best of the best of the best after years of research. I am thankful not to have the stomach aches, the ear aches, the knee problems, the hip pain, (my sockets are too big for the balls on my legs to stay in )the blurry vision ( explained to me that I was allergic and my eyes were shedding cells blurring my sight), the dandruff that would fall off and leave an open wound under it, that scabbed over. The depression... The shoulder, neck, and back pain... The ringing in my ears.... The allergy to my hormones each month producing the lump under my arm, the fear and panics, and body tremors, wrist problems, nightmares for years on end, snoring. (we are talking BUZZ SAW, the kids thought it was their dad) LOL :- () Oh and the burps and gas and inability to digest and eliminate food. Liver cysts, pelvic prolapse and top that all off with the dreaded CANDIDA. Head trauma, short and long term memory loss, ADHD and dyslexia..... I was the healthiest sick person at the doctors office.

This doesn't include all the drama at the dentist.

A chiropractor treated me for LYME disease with frequencies. He said I had the worst case they had ever seen and were surprised that I had walked in. It felt that way to me. I didn't know I had it. He charged me very little.

Whitmire Chiropractic, Vanc. Wash. He is the only person who has this treatment, I asked.

He did spinal adjustments and treated some allergies with frequencies... Seemed to help a lot. He also uses a light to desensitize.

My husband loves me but thinks I am a gullible NUT JOB. I just want to be well and done with it.

Now pelvic and hormone and liver and thyroid and teeth.... LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY! Where does it end..... The book is interesting. I bought the second one.... The divided mind!

If nothing else it is good comedy. WE are so vulnerable. If you get to pick an illness find a simple one like thinking you are the queen of sheba or something.... Love, Joy

Replied by Joy
Battleground, Wash

Mary you asked me about weight... I gained some trying stuff but it was worth it. Since the stevia incident I have dropped my protocol and lost 5 pounds this week. My goal is to drop 5 more in the next two weeks, tell you how in my next post ..... I'm going to run a post you might be interested in about a show my spouse talked me into watching on OPB . I don't watch much t.v.

Replied by Andi
St. Paul, Mn

Dear April, I suggest you look into non-surgical spinal decompression. My Chiropractor does it in her office. I've never had it done, but I know she has been able to help others a lot. It may not work for what you have, but it would sure be worth checking to see if someone in your area does the treatment. Good Luck!

Replied by April
Pleasant Grove, Ut


So sorry to hear about your hubby and all the health problems you're enduring. I wish I had the answer that is perfect for you- but I don't. I just wanted to let you and everyone who reads EarthClinic to know that even when it seems like no one has the answers- there's One who does... so maybe through PRAYER you'll find the peace you're searching for. God Bless you!

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Posted by Holly (Portland, Or) on 04/05/2011
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Heel Lifts for Back Pain:

For myself... I've had back problems ever since puberty and been through chiropractors, PT, Orthopedists, etc... And only did my recent chiropractor find I had a 3 MM!!! Difference in one leg. One very rarely correlated problem is for those who are HYPER FLEXIBLE, a very small leg-length difference can cause debilitating pain. I would get up in the morning and every breath I took would send shooting pains through my back and side. At any given time you could feel a knot that felt like bone, the size of a golf ball in my low back. Within 8 hours of using heel lifts, I noticed the pain all but disappeared. Now for the remaining VERY minor discomfort that sometimes I comes I stay exercised - focus on core strength.

Posted by Handyman (Jonesborough, Tenneessee) on 05/06/2009
5 out of 5 stars

Hi for my back, I was told this by my doc....An I quote he say I will tell you what is wrong with your back in 20 minutes. WOW I thought. ( 1st let me tell you about him, he is old school, he is 75 yrs Any way he took ex-rays, on my lower back an legs an show me on my legs, he put a ruler on the ex-rays an showed me that one leg was almost 1/4 inch shorter than the other, an wrote a script to go to the leather shop an make me a lift out of leather. (about the middle of the foot to the heal, an slipped in under my shoe liner) Well that day I ask him, how come other doc's did not know this an he said......O Mitch they did know, that it would put them out of business, he said that the doc would send you home, WITH DRUGS, an come back next week, for a check up. (PAID HIM TWICE). Also he said that the Chiropractor would like me to keep coming back all the time so they could make alot of money. So then I ask him how is it that one leg is shorter than the other, an he told me that most people have that problem, cause as you are growing, you most of the time carry everything on one side. (exsample If you are RIGHT HANDED that the right leg would be this made sense to me cause I am LEFT HANDED an my left leg WAS shorter than the other. PRETTY SMART HUH well it made sense to me. Needless to say my back was much better, an has been for yrs, hardly ever any pain unless I over do it. An o did i tell you that I was in terrible pain for 11 yrs, an I seen all kind of doctors, also 4 chiroprators. My doc told me no offence to you but I would just like to see you only twice a year for your check ups. Great doctor huh! Well I hope this info my help some one out, it worked for me. I really like this site.

Replied by Jasonmchicago
Chicago, Il Usa

My body has been totally out of balance. I went to a Neuromuscular Osteopath and they noticed my hips were off... Which I knew but never mentioned anything about leg length. I had broken my leg over a decade ago and I kept saying that my legs don't feel the same size throughout the years. I thought it was all in my head and becuase I didn't exercise or do the right PT to heal the muscles/liagments/tendons. I told people here and there but never go a real "test" to what was going on. Anyway I had lower back pain for years, couldn't sleep well, and had knee pain. I just felt like a marionette doll!!! Shoulder pain, neck pain, back pain, facial pain, everything was out of whack.

Anyway I read Earthclinic all the time and said maybe it is REAL. I saw the heel lift comment and ordered one immediately. Actually I ordered two version waiting to get them in the mail. Then I thought I'd just use what I have around the house. So I got a couple of kitchen sponges put them in my shoes and BOOM! By the next days things settled down a little. I cannot wait until I get my heel lifts.... I think they will really help realign things along with yoga, etc. Geez!!!! To think that ALL THESE years I had been walking weird and things were so bad for no reason.

Thank you for all the folks who post on this site.

QUESTION: What is the best doctor to get an official diagnosis so I know how many mm my legs are off and that can help me monitor the realignment of things? Osteopath? Chiro? MD? I hate the endless search for "specialist" who don't know much about anything! :)

Best, JMC

Replied by Jeff
Nashville, Tn

Jason, Look for a "Nucca" chiroprator in your area. They focus on your your head/neck Atlas. The first check they do is a leg length check. Google this and it will make sense. It worked for me!