Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease

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Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Method   12  1   

Posted by Janetlee (Panama City, Fl, Usa) on 06/04/2011

I've had my mom who has COPD (I believe so b/c she has ALL the symptoms, but won't go to a doctor-several years ago she went to a general MD and was told she has bronchial asthma-she doesn't have attacks where she has to use an inhaler). Anyway, for the past week or so, I've had her using a nebulizer to do the H202 therapy. She was unable to tolerate the Bill Munro method. I have her mixture in the nebulizer at 1 part H202 to 3 parts water. She does the nebulizer about 4x a day and only does it for about a minute or two at a time. She says that she is willing to continue this treatment for a little while so as to give it a fair chance. Hower, she also says that it seems to make her chest feel heavy and thus she feels worse... She's not to a point where she can't go do things, but does get quite shortwinded and coughs up phlegm. She's also doing the Mucolyxir and himilayan salt inhalation which have definitely helped her. So I guess what I'm asking is does anyone have any feedback for me? I'd really appreciate it! Thanks!

janetlee

Posted by Barbara
Leicester, United Kingdom
07/08/2011
[YEA]   Hi I have COPD and last year I took H2o2 orally you wouldnt believe the differance it made even after a week I couldnt go upstairs without having to sit and wait to get me breath back I would wake up in the morning not even moved out of bed and couldnt breathe I stopped taking it last november and im getting poorly again so I have just ordered myself some more I am going to start taking it again it really helps....
Posted by Janetlee
Panama City, Fl, Usa
07/15/2011
9 Posts
Thanks for your reply! May I ask how you personally took the H202 orally? How much? For how long? To what extent did it help you? I am asking so many questions because I have to be persuasive to my mom! Thanks so much!

ps-you can email me if you like at shapeep @ maildot com

I hope you get that coded email okay! LOL!

janlee

Posted by Janetlee (Panama City, Fl, Usa) on 05/20/2011

Could Ted or anyone else that has any experience with this help me out please! My mom has COPD and today I bought a quart of 35% Food Grade H202, distilled water, and a nebulizer. Now that I have all the things she needs to try the therapy, I am at a loss as to how to go about this! She'll think I'm an idiot! :( Maybe I am.... But I love her and am trying so hard to help her. I have her on 200 mg. Ubiquinol (a superior form of CoQ-10) daily and NAC and Himilayan Crystal salt Inhaler and Mucolyxir (NATURAL MICRODOSE DNA). All of this has helped her, but she still gets so shortwinded and wheezes a lot and coughs up phlegm. She won't go to a doctor no matter what! But she is willing to try some alternative therapies. Anyhow, could someone PLEASE A. S. A. P. Answer my question about the H202 inhalation therapy via a nebulizer?

How much H202 to how much water? How long should she use the nebulizer each time? How many times a day? How many days? ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! Please help us!

Thank you so very very much! janet

Posted by Robert Henry
Ten Mile , Tn Usa
05/22/2011
HI U JANETLEE, , , , , , ,

To get to 3% from 35%, you add 3 tablespoons of 35% hydrogen peroxide to 12 oz of distilled water.

The rest you are on you own and if someone tells you different then they are peeing on your leg. ======RH========

Posted by Bess
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
05/23/2011
Hi Janetlee - To dilute 35% hydrogen peroxide down to 3%, add 1 ounce of 35% HP to 11 ounces of distilled water. That is the instruction on my bottle of 35% food-grade HP (Gold Top Super Oxygen). As for using it for COPD, sorry, I don't have any information but do an Internet search for Bill Munro's hydrogen peroxide inhalation method - that might point you in the right direction (he uses an atomizer to inhale instead of a nebulizer). Perhaps someone with actual experience with HP and COPD might be able to respond to you. Best of luck to you and your Mom.
Posted by Janetlee
Panama City, Fl, Usa
05/25/2011
9 Posts
Thank you both. I do know how to make the 35% H202 into 3% H202. What I am puzzled about is how much of the 3% H202 to how much water before putting it in a nebulizer? On the Asthma thread here on Earth Clinic, one lady said she puts one part H202 to 2 parts water, then puts it in the nebulizer. I'm at a loss... I did talk to Mr. Munro and he really didn't know what to advise me in regards to a nebulizer. He does feel that regular 3% H202 like you buy at a drugstore is just fine and feels that the food grade kind is a waste of money. He's a very nice man! Anyway, the nasal mist pump bottle inhalation burns my mom's throat too bad, even after I diluted it more.

PLEASE, if ANYBODY has COPD and has used a nebulizer to inhale H202, PLEASE tell me your mixture ratio! Thank you!

Posted by Alain
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
05/26/2011
54 Posts
Answer to Janetlee from Panama City, Fl about using H2O2 with a nebulizer.

I think I recall Ted saying to use not stronger solution than 1% H2O2 solution for inhalation. I would therefore suggest using a solution of 1% or less and then increase occasionally to see if a higher concentration can be handled. Do not exceed 3%.

The same goes with the ordinary inhalation method. If 3% burns the throat than start with 1%.

Here are two interesting pages on using a nebulizer with H2O2.
http://www.racehorseherbal.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=125
http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html

Good Luck
Alain

Posted by Janetlee
Panama City, Fl, Usa
05/30/2011
9 Posts
Thank you. I decided to go very diluted and slowly add more to the water. I will try to keep posting as we go along!

Thanks all! janet

Posted by Janetlee
Panama City, Fl, Usa
06/16/2011
9 Posts
[NAY]   I am sad to say that I went ahead and told mom to stop the H202 therapy. I could not see where she was benefiting. It may not be that the H202 is ineffective, it could be that mom was not doing it right. She is not able to do the direct spray into the mouth. The nebulizer method bothered her throat some, but this was even with me diluting the 3% H202 as one part H202 to 3 parts distilled water. Maybe it's too weak. Maybe she didn't do it often enough or long enough each time. Mom does what Mom wants! She may try it again eventually, I don't know. But I am very disappointed, as I had high hopes.

janetlee

Posted by Samdi233
Brantford, Ontario/ Canada
11/25/2011
Hi janetlee

For good resolute dilute 5 h2o2 to %3 pore 2 oz or lass in small jar and let your mom inhale the h2o2 from a jar 3x deep breaths 4x a day, read those

http://www.medical-library.net/hydrogen_peroxide_therapy.html

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-You-Should-Inhale-Hydrogen-Peroxide&id=3386535

Posted by Cindy
Fayetteville, N.c. - Usa
12/15/2011
There is a product that can be bought at Health Food Stores that is already mixed food grade hydrogen peroxide. It is called Oxy-gen Liquid Antioxidant with CoA10 and B12. It can also be ordered, which is cheaper. It tastes good, too. Follow the directions.

To Improved Health --- : )

Posted by Maggie (North Attleborough, Massachusetts) on 12/28/2010

[YEA]  Hydrogen Peroxide inhalation for COPD

Hello, My name is Maggie and I live in Massachusetts. I am writing because I finally decided to take a chance on inhaling hydrogen peroxide for my COPD. I have been sick every Winter since I was 26 (16 years). I have tried diet change, steroids, antibiotics, supplements (with some success) and every other alternative offered to me. I have used your website for other ailments, but thought this was a little crazy. However, I have been using this method for 3 weeks and have NEVER felt this good in the Winter. I have also stopped using my rescue inhaler (down from 6-7 times a day) and am not taking any medications. I will be personally sending an email to Bill Munro, who is now my hero. Just when I finally began to accept that I was going to be another statistic (surviving as many Winters as I could handle until my disease did me in, as it did my father), a miracle falls into my lap! I will do this treatment for the rest of my life and I will recommend it to EVERYONE who ever complains to me of bronchitis, asthma, or any other form of COPD. I would be happy to talk to anyone who has questions or needs to speak to a real person. They can email me any time at Maggz129@aol.com. Thank you Earth Clinic and thank you Bill Munroe for giving me a chance to live my life, instead of biding my time!!!

Posted by Joan (Brooklyn, New York) on 08/01/2010

[YEA]  I have emphysema. I get tested every 6 months to check the oxygen in my lungs.. Before I inhaled 3% peroxide my test prove my COPD was getting worse... But this time, after inhaling peroxide for three weeks my lungs have greatly improved. My pulmonologist was impressed at the technician's report that he tested me on difficult state of the art machines that measure the capacity of air in each test and he indeed reported much better than the previous three years.

I didn't tell her what I was doing. I was afraid she would try and stop me... Joan

Posted by Jgp
Industry, Pa Usa
08/15/2010
Joan from NY; what concentrations are you using? Thanks jgp pa

Posted by Bharat (Faridabad, Haryana, India) on 04/29/2010

My father is suffering from COPD (chronic bronchitis and chronic emphysema), he is 57 years old and weighs around 40 kg.He was told about it 6 years back in 2004 untill when he was a chain smoker and left it then only.His fev1 count is only 17%.He used 35% food grade HP orally according to the given schedule but as soon as he reached 18 drops he felt some extreme symptoms like nausea, headache along with extreme weakness. His heart beat went high up-to 130 bpm and thus he just slacked off on it. He can barely walk and even find it difficult to eat food. I just wanted to ask what is the solution to such extreme symptoms because we don't want to quit so easily as there are not much options left after HP. Another query i had in my mind was that can anyone tell me that among either oral and inhalation method which one shows better and quick results?

Posted by Alain
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
04/30/2010
54 Posts
Answer to Bharat from Faridabad

With H2O2 we have to go slowly. If 18 drops is too much because of detox effect, just reduce it to a comfortable level. Than increase only after a while. You don't have to go as fast as a chart. Those charts are just guidelines.

The max recommended concentration for internal use is 0.5%. But even 1/10 of it can help. There are also other ways, like Baths with H2O2 and Epsom salt, or Bill Munro's inhalation method. People react differently to different concentration. When too much just reduce.

I posted something here with a lot of info.

Good Luck, Alain

Posted by Bharat
Faridabad, Haryana, India
05/05/2010
4 Posts
Thank you Alain.I really appreciate your effort .

Can you please tell me if is it possible that food grade Hydrogen Peroxide when taken orally reduces the spo2 level in blood.I am asking this because for the past 3 -4 days we are noticing a quick decrease in spo2 levels of my father even when oxygen is been taken externally.

Can it be assumed as a possible side effect of hydrogen peroxide since his fev1 count is only 17%?

Posted by Alain
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
05/07/2010
54 Posts
Sorry, I cannot answer satisfactorily to your quesstion, because I am not at all familiar with the test you are talking about. But I did some quick searches and I have a few thoughts I would like to share with you.

First, you did not explained how the oxygen was taken externally. Was is peroxyde? And how? To get back to my previous post about dosages. Consider that 18 drops of FG h2o2 in a glass of water is not the same for a man of 40Kg as for a man of 80Kg or 120Kg. I suspect that your father is very weak and has digestion problems. So, maybe the 18 drops is even more demanding because of his weakness. H2O2 will create detox symptoms. So it is good to have something to improve the elimination of the liberated toxins. Those "toxins" are not from the h2o2 but from the body trying to get rid of them by being helped with the h2o2.

So, it might be better that food are any supplements be taken in smaller portions but more often. Something that might help greatly is the taking of pro-biotics on a daily basis. The more I read about pro-biotic bacteria for the colon the more I thing it is a vital element in helping in the recovery to any illness.

If you read EC pages on COPD and do a search on the web you will find that many have been helped by DMSO, and MSM. First, DMSO is very closed chemically to MSM. MSM can be obtained naturally from food. But can be easily destroyed by processing foods. MSM is better utilized by the body if taken with glucosamine sulfate and the chondroitin sulfate. MSM is a compound with sulfur as so are the two other sulfates. It has been shown that magnesium and magnesium sulfate can help asthma. Here we go again with a sulfate.

There is an easy and cheap way to get magnesium and sulfur in the form of sulfate. It is with Epsom salt (Magnesium sulfate). It is cheap and easy to buy in North America. I don't know about your part of the country. Two ways I know how to benefit from Epsom Salt (ES). Internally and from baths. Internally, a pinched of ES with meals or beverages. Coincidentally, a bath of ES can be enhanced and alkalizing with some h2o2. Here is a good link about such baths http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1614147#i

Magnesium will also help the liver and kidneys in digesting proteins.

So, IMO you should have a multi-facet approach. Improvement of digestion, improvement of nutrition. Smaller portion but more frequent. Supplementation of MSM and or magnesium sulfate. Alkalizing baths. So much can be said about alkalizing.

I could have put a lot more in the form of supporting links and text extracts that would better help what I said above. Health can be restored but it will take time. A simple advice-Stop doing what makes us sick and start what makes us healthy.

Good luck, Alain

Posted by Vicki
New Plymouth, Taranaki, New Zealand
05/07/2010
Answer To Bharat From Faridabad. Hi from New Zealand. My father, who is 84 and has had emphysema for over 20 years, has been using some drops that I got for him from a large online supplement supplier in America. I can't say the name of the product on this site, but if you Google "Natural Microdose DNA" you will find info about the product. Dad uses ONE drop FOUR times a day. It isn't very expensive to buy. I think it works by thinning the mucus. Dad has been using it for about six weeks, and it's the first of the MANY "natural" remedies that we've tried that's helped him. Unfortunately he's still using all his puffers at this stage,but the drops have made a huge difference in his comfort level. He is able to go for walks outside and do light chores around the house, which he hasn't been able to do for ages. A big difference is in how long it takes him to recover from breathless episodes. Now, he gets his breath back almost immediately, instead of spending five minutes gasping for air. He's really happy about that!! He has had a peak flow meter for several years now and it has always been around 160 to 170 maximum, but now it averages about 190 and several times has been over 200, which has never happened before. So, while this hasn't been the miracle cure that I have been looking for, it has made a BIG difference to Dad's quality of life, and,at the moment, he is progressing instead of getting worse. Hopefully after he has been using the drops for several months he'll have made further progress. The only negative comment I have to make about the product is that it"s really difficult to get the drops out of the bottle - I have to put it in another bottle for Dad to use. Later on I'm also going to get him some black elderberry (there's an interesting post on here about that), but for now we're seeing how much he improves by using the drops alone. Kind Regards, Vicki.

Posted by Dixie (Lake City, Florida) on 11/04/2009

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  We need to keep this alive. I just found this site. I used 35%food grade HP for the schedule and it gave me more energy and then stupid me slacked off. I need to go back to it. Anyway I have COPD and lately I can barely walk to the bathroom because I can't breathe from long time smoking, so I have been reading this. I tried Bill's method of putting 3%HP in a pump bottle undiluted. Then I put 3mg in my nebulizer and it's kinda strong so guess you can cut it with water. Now I'm using 35% food grade 1 drop per 2oz distilled water and then putting 3mg in nebulizer. Cheaper then using an oxygen tank I think and did give me instant relief so guess I'm going to do this about every two hrs and see how it goes then I probably will start the schedule back over which is 3 drops three x's a day then increasing one drop every day until you get to 25 drops then you taper back down to only using 5 drops per week

Posted by Patricia (Flower Mound, Tx) on 10/12/2009

I have COPD that started to get worse when I moved into an apartment with a bad mold problem. My condition has deteriorated so much in the last year that I'm on oxygen 24/7, despite the fact that the physiology of my lung tissue hasn't changed, according to a CAT scan in 2003 and another one six years later. I suspect aspergillus, but could be wrong. My doctor did a blood test and says it was negative.

Anyway, I've tried about everything including a psychic naturopath, except the H2O2 therapy. I made an appointment with a Doctor in Fort Worth who does it intravenously. These treatments are expensive, and I have no insurance since my insurer rescinded my policy when I was in treatment for kidney cancer [which fortunately the recent CAT scan for my lung caught in an early stage], so I don't want to do this unless it will help or if there is a less expensive way to get the job done.

Has anyone taken the H2O2 by mouth. If so, how much, how often and how long before results. What were the results, if any. I'm a little afraid of the inhaled therapy because of the condition of my lungs already, or does anyone have advice for me? I'm a writer and a filmmaker and this oxygen thing is totally limiting my life.

Posted by George
Bedford, Tx
10/15/2009
2 Posts
Jody from Tyler Tx has asked about doses and how to administer Hydrogen Peroxide. I can only tell about my experiance and cannot make any recomendations to anyone else. I use it primarily in am Sleep Apnia mask [PAP]. I use a solution strength of about 20%. That is 1/4 cup H2O2 to 1 cup of Distiled water. I breath it all night and if my lungs feel a little irritated I add another half cup water to make it about 15%.

I also use my nebulizer one or two times a day and there I use a 50% strength for about 3 min.

I believe I am killing all the bacteria, mold and fungus in my lungs as I don't have any more coughing or mucus since the first day I tried H2O2.

My Pulmanologist, Cardiologist, and my Gen Practioner are all amzazed at my improvment. None of them have ever heard of inhaling H2O2 before.

Good luck and let me know how you are doing at my email address

Posted by George (Bedford, Tx) on 08/04/2009

[YEA]  After living with COPD for several years my condition recently got worst to the point that I could barely manage simple chores like taking out the garbage. 2 wks ago my Pulmonary Doctor told me to use Oxygen 24/7 and to use an Albuterol inhaler twice a day and as needed for emergencies.

A few days later I had a serious incident from trying to climb some stairs,and almost passed out. The next day I had another incident from a minor exertion. I believe that an angel must have directed me to the earthclinic web site because I found the Hydrogen Peroxide treatment there. I am lucky enough to have a better system to administer the Hydrogen Peroxide than using asquirt bottle. I have a machine for my Sleep Apnea where I sleep with a mask that covers my nose and mouth and the machine provides positive air pressure to keep my wind pipe open. The machine also has a water tank of about 6 oz to keep the air moisturized.

I began my treatment with standard drug store 3% Hydrogen Peroxide, and dialuted it 50/50 with filtered water. I braethed that mixture for 8 hours that night and in the morning my lungs were clear. I didn't have the usual coughing fit to clear my lungs of mucus. The next night I used a 30% mixture instead of 50% and the results were just as good. I stopped using my hand held inhalers entierly. I again cut the dose down to 20% and still had the great results.

On the 10th day I awoke with so much energy that I changed the bed sheets, vacuumed the floor and cleaned the bath room. 2 weeks before this I could barely walk across the room.

The Peroxide treatment is a blessing to me.

Posted by Jody
Tyler, Tx
09/04/2009
George, I am happy that you've had such good results with the h202. I had previously tried Bill Munro's method of inhaling while spraying from a nasal spray bottle. I was already sick at the time and that method caused a deal of irritation in my lungs--perhaps the spray droplets were too large, don't know. Anyway, I ended up in hospital...I was also trying to nebulize some colloidal silver----desperate to get rid of the infection.

I'm currently at the stage of copd where one infection follows on the heels of the last one.

I'm a bit afraid to try the h202...do you think it would be ok to use some in my nebulizer and if so should I also have the albuterol in there or just h202 and water? I also have an oxygen concentrator with a moisturizer bottle on it...not sure of the measure..looks like about 8 0z...would that be a good way to inhale it?

Thanks for any help you might give me.

Posted by Hobbit From The Shire
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
11/27/2009
I have a friend struggling with COPD. He is willing to give the H202 in the sleep apnea mask a try. I would appreciate if I could get an email address for George from Bedford, Tx in regards to the H202 he used. Was it Food Grade, or the regular. And would like to know how George is doing these days?

Thank you!!

Posted by Joe (Wedgeport Nova Scotia , Canada) on 02/20/2008

[YEA]  I was getting phumonia two or three times a year and that eventually turned into a disease called copd.Severe bronchitis so off to the doctor AGAIN and they sell me more and more drugs AGAIN puffers and machines with mists and nose sprays and no cure just slowly dying not much of a life until one day on the computer I see your hydrogen peroxide page and can't believe something like this thats been around for a hundred years or more could possible work but would try about anything at this time so started spraying 3% hydrogen peroxide in my mouth and within two days started spitting up stuff you only see in horror movies and within a week and a half I was a different person altogether I could breath again and my lungs were clear something I haven't seen for many years. I haven't felt this good in years thank-you soooo very much for this information and please keep up the fantastic work Your friend for life Joe

Posted by Debbie
St. Petersburg, FL
09/27/2008
This question is for joe from canada. i have a friend who has copd real bad and she is wanting to try the hydrogen peroxide inhaltion. do you mix this with part water or just use it like it is?and what do you put it in to make it mist?

EC: Read much more about the H202 inhalation technique here: http://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_inhalation.html

Magnesium Sulfate   0  0   

Posted by Andrea C (Cardiff, Wales) on 04/25/2013

This link concerns COPD, or any breathing issues, nebulising with magnesium sulfate by Dr Sarah Myhill: http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Magnesium_by_nebuliser

Mold in Your Building   1  0   

Posted by Nicole (Chicago, IL) on 03/30/2008

[YEA]  I wanted to say that if people have extremely chronic respiratory or nervous conditions, they ought to find out if they are living or working in a moldy building. Nothing cures that but getting out or fixing the problem in the house!

Posted by Terry
Plano, Tx
02/25/2010
Mold (even black mold) is easily gotten rid of by making a spray from MMS (miracle mineral solution) and spraying it on the mold. The mold will die within 1 hour. It's great.
Posted by Mary H
Yutan, Ne
11/07/2012
8 Posts
Can you tell me how to make miracle mineral solution to kill mold? Thanks

MSM   2  0   

Posted by Jerroll (Humble, Texas, Usa) on 01/04/2011

Evedently Ted is too busy. Could you tell me if putting MSM in a nebulizer or a spray bottle would be safe or would even help COPD?Thank you in advance, Jerroll Fry in Humble, TX USA

Posted by Alvina
Eagle Creek, Oregon
01/05/2011
[YEA]   I put 1/4 c of 3% hydrogen peroxide in 1/2 gal. of distilled water in my vaperizor and inhale through the mouth 10 times twice a day and a few times through the nose also. I was in pretty bad shape a few months ago but now I'm able to do so much more without losing my ability to breath. For months I also took 1/4 t. of celery seed (a natural diaretic), tea made with 1/4 t. Lobelia, 1 t. of Mullein and 1 t. Hyssop twice a day. I also started taking MSM and cayanne pepper, which I still do. I don't need the tea anymore. I have to limit my intake of dairy and mold and pollen is still a challenge, but being 90% better is great.

Posted by Kim (Birmingham, England) on 09/21/2009

[YEA]  I have been taking MSM for a while now and I have to say my asthma/COPD is much improved. However, MSM does contain sulphates which some individuals may be sensitive to and may cause some side effects. I have read from a very good source that this can be largely overcome by taking a supplementation of molybedenum(500mcg). Hope this helps.

Posted by Dixie
Lake City, Florida
11/06/2009
Could you please tell me how to use this? The dosages

MSM, Supplements   0  0   

Posted by Caski3 (Uk) on 09/15/2013

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  COPD: I have had an extremely wheezy sounding lungs. My GP brother suggests this is the result of smoking which I ceased some 25 years ago. I have been a firm believer in MSM and tried various manufacturers without the success that other cases demostrate. Most importantly is to buy therapeutic level of supplements from a reputable company. Recently I purchased MSM powder 99.9% pure form J---B Lab. Taking: MSM half a teaspoon twice a day.

One dessert spoon of organic coconut oil twice daily. 5 Drops of Vit D, 1,000 mg Vit C powder in a magnesium base. I am going to add Magnesium Citrate and Vit A and start Vit E again and see where we go from here. The results to date have been much less wheezing and loads more energy.

Multiple Remedies   0  0   

Posted by John Jp (Buffalo, NY) on 09/20/2014

I should warn you that hydrogen peroxide is reactive and corrosive. If you combine it with other stuff it will break down the other stuff, rendering it useless or converting it into other stuff that is either useless or harmful that you don't want in your body. So only inhale H2O2 if you haven't inhaled other treatments in a few hours, and will not be inhaling other treatments in a few hours. AVOID all treatments containing metals (silver, magnesium, etc) for 24 hours if using H2O2.

If my breathing has been really bad for a while, H2O2 helped sometimes. But it seems that whatever "cleaning" effect it has, it had no more beneficial effects after the lungs were cleaned with it. Perhaps people who are frequently breathing dirty environments, pollution, smoke, or regularly getting lung infections can benefit from regular use of H2O2.

Otherwise a few days in a row for cleaning out the lungs every few weeks or months might be good enough for some in good, clean, safe, healthy environments.

People with air filters, AC, & relatively clean air around them may not see any improvement from regular H2O2 treatments.

You may not need to mix H2O2 with distilled water. Pour a teaspoon of H2O2 in a small glass of your tap water. If it doesn't bubble or foam like crazy, or only bubbles a little bit, there's not much bad in it to react to, so you can mix it with ordinary tap water.

I've read coffee and caffeine may be bad for COPD. It turns out it is only bad for some of the meds you may be taking.

My COPD was so bad that I couldn't walk across the room or go to the bathroom without desperately gasping for air. Getting laid off because of breathing problems, losing my health insurance, & being on a tight budget, I gave up coffee because I could no longer afford it, and they said it was bad for me.

After some research I had discovered that caffeine is very similar chemically to some meds used to treat COPD. I traced my steps back to the last time I could walk across a room without gasping for air. It was before I ran out of coffee and gave it up!

I desperately went to my cabinet and got out some caffeine tablets I had from the days of my night-shift work, and took a tablet. These were the bigger strong ones. I used to only use a half a tablet for night-work because they were so strong. But for this experiment I took a whole one.

A whole one was too much. Got the shakes, and an uneasy stomach. Breathing only improved slightly during the first hour. During the second hour, breathing was remarkably better. After the second hour I was breathing better than I had in months!

The speedy/hyper effects of the caffeine had diminished considerably after a couple hours, but the breathing was still improving. I continued to breathe much better for 5 hours after taking the caffeine, before I noticed my breathing was starting to get slightly worse again.

I continued experimenting with different doses at different times to see what worked best. Rather than buy more coffee, I continued on using the caffeine "stay awake" tablets to formulate an accurate dosage/treatment scheme.

This is what works for me these days. I take a normal cup of coffee in the morning with a small caffeine tablet. The tablets are about half the size of the original ones, so are much weaker. It turns out more is NOT better. So if you have one of those special or exotic coffee makers that deliver a very strong caffeinated beverage, you might want to skip the tablets entirely.

Caffeine is a drug and a stimulant. If you have too much it will de-sensitze you to it, causing you to need more with less of the beneficial effect. Also too much will make you hyper or nervous so you'll burn more oxygen and get an upset stomach. So be sensible. Use only what you need, using too much will only make things worse.

I usually don't need any more caffeine for at least 5 hours. At that time, around lunch time or hours after, another ordinary cup of coffee is enough. But if my breathing has gotten considerably worse, I may take only 1/2 of one of those small caffeine tablets with the coffee. Again, I must stress, if you are having a strong coffee or strong caffeinated beverage you may skip the tablet.

AVOID Red Bull or other caffeinated beverages and energy drinks that may have other stuff in them you don't want or may be bad for you and your other treatments!

Just before, during, or after dinner time (depending on my breathing) I may have another cup of coffee. Many days I can skip it because I'm still breathing good enough. Other days if it has gotten real bad, I'll take another half a caffeine tablet with the coffee.

Again, I must stress, more or too much is NOT better. Take only the amount of caffeine you need to breath a little better. Taking too much will de-sensitize you to it, and the treatment won't work or work well anymore. Don't be impatient. You may notice only a slight improvement after 20-60 minutes of taking caffeine. The significant improvement will happen after the first hour, and continue for many hours.

2-4 hours before bedtime I might have another cup of coffee if my breathing is getting bad again. That way the speedy effects are almost worn off by bedtime so I can sleep well. However if my breathing is so bad that I can't get ready for bed or sleep safely, I'll also take a half a caffeine tablet with the coffee, and decide to stay up a few hours later until my breathing is better.

I find usually if I had a caffeine tablet or a half of one with my coffee, the next time or the next 2 times I do not need a caffeine tablet with my coffee, or can go longer without coffee. The tablets I'm using now only have about as much caffeine as a cup of coffee. So a cup with a tablet is like having 2 coffees. A cup with a half a tablet is like having a large coffee.

So I'm only having the equivalent of 4-6 regular ordinary cups of coffee a day in caffeine, and unlike the coffee guzzlers at work or at most jobs, it's spread out through the whole day, not just squeezed into an 8 hour work shift.

Check with your doctor to make sure it's safe to drink coffee with the meds you're taking. However, if you're having very strong coffee, or taking caffeine tablets, you might want to stop taking the other meds for that day anyway & see how things go.

Caffeine can conflict with other meds... especially meds that are stimulants that have ingredients in them that end in the letters "ene" or "ine", or steroids. They do not mix well with coffee.

So if caffeine is so similar to other COPD meds chemically why aren't doctors recommending it, or telling you to avoid it? Doctors and drug companies won't make much money if they tell you ordinary cheap coffee is almost the same thing as the meds.

I've recently changed my coffee recipe for even better results. A slightly weaker coffee with a little chocolate, sugar, and milk is even better. They say avoid sugar because it burns O2. BS! Any energy you burn will require O2. Sugar is the quickest was to ingest energy without spending a lot of resources & O2 digesting and processing it. So unless you're already overweight, enjoy your sugar.

I use a weaker cup of instant coffee now. Only a single level teaspoon of cheap generic instant coffee in hot water. 2.5 teaspoons of sugar. 1 heaping teaspoon of Nesquick instant chocolate milk (also has a little caffeine & antioxidants in it), and 1 heaping teaspoon of dry milk. Don't worry if you're lactose intolerant, a teaspoon of low fat dry milk doesn't have enough lactose to bother most people. So you're getting a little protein, vitamin D, calcium, energy & other nutrients with every cup. It's also delicious.

The little bit of low fat dry milk won't generate extra mucus, or slimy spit. I've tried many different recipes over almost a year now. The chocolate instant coffee recipe seems to improve the breathing the best.

The second best was cinnamon (lots of antioxidant) instead of chocolate in the coffee. But I had to use 3 heaping teaspoons of sugar instead of 2.5 for the taste & energy boost I needed. Yum!

With the new chocolate recipe, on a good day, I only need a caffeine tablet with the coffee in the the morning and can avoid more tablets with the coffee for the rest of the day or until the evening. Some good days I may only have 2 cups!

But there are still occasionally bad days where I still need a half tablet with every cup (up to 6 cups a day) to get through a day even with the chocolate.

Grapefruit juice is another daily treatment I use. Again, it had chemicals similar to some meds you may be taking so check with your doctor first or discontinue the meds for the day to see how it works for you. It is safe to take grapefruit juice with caffeine though.

Grapefruit juice is also some pretty potent stuff, so more is not better, and too much can make things worse. Because I need to sleep at night, I usually take about 8 oz. of grapefruit juice after dinner or a couple hours before bedtime. That way I need very little or no caffeine to help me breathe & can sleep better.

Air conditioning! Humidity is the enemy for most of us.That's why it's better to take a bath than a shower too. Showers put too much humidity into the air.

Keep the air cool and dry. Humidity of 40% is ideal for COPD sufferers. Some people can't take it much drier than that, but others are fine down to 0%. Keep it cool. The molecules & oxygen in the air are closer together at cooler temperatures. So you're getting more O2 per breath when the air is cooler.

Blow up a balloon in the hot sun on a hot humid day. Then put the balloon in the fridge for an hour. See how much it shrank? There's just as much O2 in there as before but it's more concentrated so takes up less space. More O2 per breath!

Wear heavy sweatshirts, hoodies, and sweatpants & other warm stuff inside to keep warm, and crank up the AC. Keep it in the 60s F (16-21C) to breathe better. The cool dry are will also slow or stop the growth of mold & bacteria that can be growing in the walls, drains, under the toilet rim, litter box, & other places you can't see it. That stuff thrives on warm or humid damp air.

Don't let the air get stale and de-oxygenated though. Crack the windows open at least a couple times a day to refresh the air. Even in the freezing winter. Turn up the heat or sit in front of an electric heater while the air is being refreshed in winter. It won't take long to refresh the air a little so you can close them again.

Cooking consumes a lot of O2, expels CO, CO2, dirties up the air, and heats the place up, so it's the best time to crack open the kitchen window to let in fresh air during winters.

Can afford that? Keep a small safe room that is always air conditioned, air filtered, and regularly refreshed, to retreat to... like your bedroom. It's pretty cheap to keep 1 small room conditioned well to escape to. Put a TV, computer, and projects to do in there to pass the time with on bad breathing days.

Avoid fireplaces, wood stoves, campfires, and other open flames & fires. They're very, very, bad for COPD. I have to stay home for Christmas and Thanksgiving because family insists they must have logs burning on a fire even though I can't breathe. Ironically my Mom passed away with COPD, but they have forgotten she couldn't breathe near a wood fire either.

Don't like the nasty looks they give me when I start coughing up goo either, so I'm glad to stay home during the holidays anyway.

Air filters! Although your small 400-500 watt window AC has a filter in it that helps, it will only trap large particles or hair, & a few contaminants may condense and stick to the cold damp AC core to be drained to the outside (so yes, they will clean the air a little). Even if you can only afford a couple $40 walmart portable air filters for a small bedroom they do help a lot. H2O2 may not help much if you're already breathing relatively clean air most of the time or overnight when the dirt settles in the lungs the most.

The disposable filters inside can cost almost as much as the units, & may need to be replaced in 3 months. But there's ways around that. Open up the unit to get at the replaceable filters. Tape a thin, cheap, sheet of single ply generic toilet paper over the front of the paper filter assembly. The cheapest version of Scot toilet paper works best for me. Replace the paper every 1-2 months (if you have pets & kids around once a month). The replaceable filters in mine have lasted 19 months so far, and seems like I'll get them to last over 2 years.

I used to desperately gasp for air just walking across the room or going to the bathroom every day for months. With the caffeine, grapefruit juice, AC, & filters, I can get most of my household chores, cooking, and eating done almost every day good enough. I can walk 8 blocks to get groceries, & carry them home, taking a rest for a few minutes every block or so now.

I live on the second floor. I can go downstairs to check my mail every day without much problems now. No cure, but much better than before.

Posted by Prioris
Fl
09/21/2014
264 Posts
My past research on COPD and other respiratory diseases causes me to conclude that fungus infections are behind them. Have you tried systemic anti fungals medicine and if so, how have they helped?
Posted by Prioris
Fl, US
09/21/2014
264 Posts
My past research on COPD and other respiratory diseases causes me to conclude that fungus infections are behind them. Have you tried systemic anti fungals medicine and if so, how have they helped.


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